Emelia Hartford on Fast & Furious, Corvettes, Superbirds, Racing and Acting with Scotto and Roegge

Today's episode is a good one. We are joined by Amelia Hartford and my great friend Will Rogie. Look, we get into cars and we talk all about that, her Corvette, so on and so on. But we dive into something that is really important to the three of us, which is filmmaking, movies, why they inspire us, and also why we all have aspirations to make them. It's a great conversation. I really enjoyed this one. And I hope you do too. Here we are, another episode of Very Vehicular. Amelia, thank you for joining us today. Of course. Thanks for having me. I'm glad you had me on your podcast. I feel like I should come to yours and stuff. And also, Mr. Will Rogie, who I really kind of wish could be my constant co-host on here. He's not? You're not? No, he lives like hours from here. It's not easy for him to come here all the time. More than just hours. If I could, I would be here. Yeah. Well, depending on where, because Will either lives in Big Bear, Ohio, or somewhere in a van, such as she never goes to work. Yeah, I was going to ask, I thought that was your van outside? It is. Okay. So, when he comes here, he would sleep in the van in the driveway. Yeah. Because there was a period of time where we didn't have the guest room finished, and he would just sleep in the driveway. And my son thought that was the best thing ever. He's like, is Will sleeping in his van? Because when you're six, you really aspire to sleep in cars. Wait, I'm an adult and I want to do that now. We all do. I'm trying to find a super C, so I can tow my race cars and just sleep in it. Nice. So, before you came in, Will and I were talking about, like, what are we going to talk with you about today? You know, by the way, if you don't know all of your history, what's a really good podcast that you've done in the past to shout out that you've done? Like, your backstory, how you got to where you are, because we're not going to talk about that today. Yeah. I did night school with race service. There's a YouTube video that honestly, I felt like I really went through how I got to where I am today, and a lot more people have watched it than I thought. So, people will reference that. And just because I get referenced it so much, I feel like that might be a good one for people to watch. One thing I love about the team at Viper is that they're just like us. They can't leave anything stock. Otherwise, they'd only make red and black stools. Instead, they are constantly releasing limited edition colorways. Two of my favorites they've done, the ghoul, which is glow in the dark, and the voodoo, which is this really rad deep purple and black. And if you like camo, you can get a Viper stool trimmed in official real trade. They've even done really cool collabs with friends of ours like Roadster Shop and the Drift HQ. Maybe one day, they'll do a scato edition. Although, they keep telling me no one wants a stool that's missing half of its parts and doesn't ever roll. Anyway, check them out at ViperIndustrial.com. That's Viper with a Y. Being a full-sized human at 6'8", with a head to match, wearing sunglasses or any glasses for that matter has never been flattering for this melon. That is, until HeatWave Visual launched extra large sizes. That's right. See these glasses on my head right now? 152 millimeters wide. That's big enough that it even saves me from looking like Oliver Trey. You too can free that oversized head from those shameful two small glasses. Go check out all the extra large styles at HeatWaveVisual.com. All right, we got a big update to the scato fleet. Ashley did it. She finally sold her F100 to Mike Burroughs. Regular listeners know that he has been hounding her for this truck for a long time. But a deal was made and that deal includes him helping us finish her Land Rover Discovery. That means it's going to need new tires. Great timing because Toyo has just released the new Open Country RT Pro. This tire is an aggressive hybrid mud terrain and comes as tall as 42 inches. It has a three-ply sidewall. It's got massive lugs and unlike the Land Rover, it's durable and reliable. Check out ToyoTires.com for which Open Country works best for you. Because our whole thing is like, I've been on so many podcasts and they always ask you the same eight questions. How'd you get in the cars? How old were you? You get to a point where you start to sound like Magnus Walker and I love you, Magnus. But Magnus has told his story so many times, it's very good. He could go do a one-man Broadway show on the story of Magnus Walker. You did a TED Talk, right? Yeah, he's like TED Talk level now. To avoid that, you can go listen to that one. But what are we going to talk about today? We started to think about, you have a lot going on. We grew up there with a lot of people like myself who didn't have too much going on. Then we started to think, you have all these things going on and some of them cross over, but some of them don't. I think as you continue to mature in what you're doing, those things get broader and broader. Will, I'll let you start with the question because it was your thought. I think this is like the ADHD table, right? It's like all of us, I think, have had success because we're going in a lot of different directions at once. But I think the question we thought of for you is which one of the hyphens of your multi-hyphenated things that you do, if you had to rank them, which is importance to you, which one would you pick or how would you order them? Because when people introduce you, they'll say, oh, Mary Hartford is this. I guess I love starting with actress because that's something that ever since cars came later in my life. Acting came like since my mom will tell you it was the first thing that I ever really learned how to say was I want to be an actress. I feel like that's something that's so near and dear to my heart. A lot of people will be like, what do you mean you've accomplished it? You've done Gran Turismo. You've done all these HBO and Netflix projects. You're an actress now. Sure I am because I work on my craft every day, but I don't know yet that I've taken it to where I want to go with it. But that's the most important one to me. I like starting with actress, but I also feel so grateful for the car community, even though it came later in my life. I don't want that to ever go anywhere. So probably actress and then car builder and racing driver. And then we can just add everything after that. So those are the first three. Yeah. Okay. So let's get into the first one and talk about this. Because I think that the three of us sitting at this table all really enjoy filmmaking, right? Different aspects of it. And I do think that all three of us, I don't want to speak too much for you, but in conversations we had that we're in this like interesting transition, right? Will and I both started in automotive. I actually started in culture stuff before that and, you know, but came into automotive and just like you said, for me, automotive was this amazing path. Um, in some ways it was actually the fast escalator to go do really cool stuff versus where I was originally. Um, but now that I've done a lot, I really am excited about kind of what's next and why I want to keep and bringing a lot of that with me. Um, I'm mostly, you know, if I'm sitting there and what will cause like your hyphenated, like, you know, your, your actress builder, you know, a race car driver for me, I'm really moving into, you know, film director is the thing I want that comes first, right? And obviously I did a bunch of that, but getting to do second unit work on Drifter and some other stuff that's coming up. Like that's where I'm most excited and writing scripts and doing all that. Like I'm moving into that world. For you where you are right now, um, you know, yes, you have done a bunch of stuff like you've been in a major feature, right? That's awesome. But how do you get to that next step now? Like where do you, and, and do you think that you're, that it's a bit of, you can't do everything at once situation? Like do like, cause that's, this podcast was delayed for six and a half months because I went and made a movie, right? Like it really, the thing about movies is they are all encompassing on a whole level. Oh yeah. It's your life. It's your life. You really can't do anything else. You can really take a phone call when you're, when you're working on a movie, if you're doing a 12 hour a day. So I mean, for you, where is sort of the, you know, have you thought that in your head of like what the give and take is for that? Yeah. When I did Gran Trismo, which was a great case study for me, I was still able to upload weekly videos. And part of why I do weekly is because I, one, it's quality over quantity, but too, because I also feel like that's for the most part, something I can do my best to continue to be consistent with. But yeah, there is a little bit of can you do everything? I want to say yes. And I feel like I'll always try to find a way, but, um, then you just end up sacrificing your sleep for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. The, um, do you, I, do you feel like you want to do stuff? Like it doesn't matter what you do as an actress. I know you've done stuff outside of automotive. Do you enjoy doing the automotive stuff more? Definitely. I, I hope to continue to tell stories based in the automotive space. Um, this hasn't, I don't know when it comes out. If this has been announced yet, I won't say what the project is called, but I do feel comfortable saying that I wrote a script that we are starting to go into pre-production for, um, that is based around cars. And, and I feel like something, uh, you know, when you talk about what's the next step, how do you go from something like Gran Turismo to then doing more? And I feel like that's something that a lot of actors in general run into. It's like, great, I did a project, but what's next? And it's constantly what's next. And, and I've been, I mean, it took me nine years to get my first acting job of, of working every day, trying to do like different casting workshops, cold mailing agents and managers, putting myself on tape, doing anything and everything. Um, and I don't want another, you know, so many years to go by before I'm just waiting for someone else to hand me an opportunity, which is why I decided to just write my own movie and, and why I continue to write. And I'm, I'm separately working on writing my life story right now. And I have a few projects in the works that, that I've been doing. And, and I feel like that was the biggest thing for me was, you know, at the end of the day, I kind of do it on YouTube already of production. So why not take, uh, all of what I've learned the last seven years of YouTube being and continue to do that, but use what I've learned as, as a tool to then create maybe longer form, uh, storytelling based projects. When you started YouTube, did you think that that was a road to acting? Or did you think it was a tangential work? No, I just wanted to get off food stamps and pay my rent. That was it. Cause I worked in food and service for six years and everyone I worked with were other actors trying to quote unquote make it in Hollywood. And, and I just, it was, it was hard to, to live on your own in, in LA trying to get by. Um, and I just, I, I wanted the financial freedom. Um, however you want to quantify that for me, it was just taking care of the minimums in order to go to auditions and not stress that man, if I don't do this shift, I'm not going to make my rent. I think it's really interesting though, right now, because obviously Hollywood is in this major upset. No one kind of really knows what's going on. What's next. It is scary, but I don't actually think that people like us have that much to be scared about. And I'll tell you why, because the, we don't come from the traditional side of this and it's in moments like this, that the untraditional usually work out. And what they're afraid of is YouTube and we're the ones from YouTube who are now knocking at the Hollywood door going, Hey, we think we can do this a little bit different, but I'll tell you, and I've had conversations with like James Pumphrey, I think he's a great example of someone who came here to become an actor. It didn't work out, ended up going and doing the stuff with doughnut. And then that has actually given him a position to go back to acting in a completely different place and with different leverage than he had. Cause now he has a built in audience. And that's all people want. You could be, and I think this is sad in many ways for the crap, but you could be one of the best actors in the world and not have a following and a producer is going to pass on you because you don't have a plus up for the film. Right. Where if you come in and you're like, Oh, I've got million followers. That's already interesting because it means that not just as they're, I think the viability side of it, but you have already proven an ability to make people like you. Yeah. And you're not sacrificing talent for an audience either. Like at the end of the day, you're going to hire who's best for the project, but it does help to have a committed community who also just as a fan base, want to see you succeed. Yeah. And I think that that's where this is all interesting. And like, you know, Will and I have been talking about, you know, I've been, I'm working on a script right now. I'm actually working on three scripts because of course one thing, but I'm working on, you know, three scripts and we've got one that's kind of moving at the moment. Um, and it's interesting because I feel confident about trying to go make it because of the people that I know, the, the built in audiences that we have and a community that wants to kind of support what we do. And I saw that a lot in obviously Drifter with, with Sun Kang, cause you know, super low budget. Um, I mean, you know, and I don't think when people think movies, they don't think they think low budget, but it's like the budget for that was the equivalent of like a Jim Conner budget. So to make it two hour long movie is the same amount of money we spent on nine minutes, right? You know, and you think about that comparison, but there was so much plus up because so many people wanted it to happen. And so many people came out, whether it was, you know, animal style coming out and just, you know, sending it with their cars and putting, you know, putting all of their stuff in harm's way because they wanted to be a part of it. Yeah. It's, it's a film made by the community for the community. Yeah. And I think that there's something really interesting there for the car community because of how big it is. And there is that big support for everyone to go do, do that next thing. So I think we're all in this really interesting moment right now as creator. I don't want to say like creator turned filmmaker, but it kind of is. I listened to this other podcast and, um, it's called, um, uh, what? Forget it's a, it's just like a movie podcast. Um, what went wrong? Oh yeah. I know that one. You listen to that. Sometimes. Yeah. I want what went wrong is fantastic. It talks about, listen to it. It's great. And it talks about, you know, all the problems that happened on movie sets. And I love listening to it because it makes you realize that everyone has, has issues, right? It's not just you. I'm going to give you another one too. Script notes. I listen to script notes too. Yeah. I listen to script notes too. It's another great script notes is fantastic. I mean, that's a gem in terms of just really good information. Yep. But they were, they're talking and that, you know, there's, it's a male and female host. I don't remember their names. And the one, the male host sound is a bit older and she referred to films as content and he's like, don't call it content. It's art. And I thought it was something funny because I do think that there's like this a little bit of this negative connotation around the stuff we make. Yeah. Well, there's a negative connotation around the word influencer around the word content around anything that's challenging the norm. Do you like the word influencer? I mean, no, but I prefer content creator. Yeah. I like content creator too. I think that's better. But it's interesting because yeah, influencer just sounds weird. I think there's just been too many jokes around influencer, but, um, and I hate to think of myself as an influencer. I know. I don't, I don't like that title either. Cause it kind of, it's like, it's a little slimy. Yeah. It feels like you're better than someone else cause you're an influx. I don't like that. The word taste maker is a way cooler term. I'll take taste maker. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but no, I think that Hollywood has had this weird gatekeeping experience forever. Really? Yeah. Uh, I mean, so much so that even just the town of Hollywood was able to gatekeep from everyone else making movies, but now it's open. And I think a lot of the studios are starting to say, okay, we need to do this differently. I also think that the days of the $200 million movie are over and they're looking now at more indie, you know, 20 to $30 million films and make more of those and get back to that. We're also in a world where we're starting to see YouTubers on Netflix and major streaming platforms. Yeah. Because they have audiences. Yeah. And that's, it's crazy to think about, but it's what people care about, right? Like we all grew up caring about, you know, Brad Pitt and the such like that. I don't know why I always go to Brad Pitt. He's, he's great. But I think when you're talking about like a studio or talking about investment, right, like you want to know that someone's going to have an audience and a following and this is the purest way of knowing that, right? It's saying like, Hey, this person has a dedicated community that's behind them. Yeah. Just following them and what they're doing. So it's going to translate to this. It's less of a risk, right? Right. And the community also trusts that they're going to do a project that's also going to make the audience happy as well and satisfy them. Totally. So the other day, um, you shared a audition tape with me and it's interesting watching because you're acting like that's not you. It's not like it's not a side I've seen of you. Do you think that that's such a compliment? But, but that is, it's always interesting to see that from people, right? You know, as actors and I got to see a lot of that with Pumphrey on set because Pumphrey is a completely different person in that movie. I mean, I haven't even seen it yet. I'm so excited. Not even recognizable as a character versus who you know him as on, you know, on, on speed or don't know what I mean. When I was reading that script, initially I was like, wait, James is going to play this character like this is heavy and he's not, you know, and he did it very well. Like I think he, I think you really, really like did a star performance there. And interesting cause I wonder how the audience is going to feel about it because he's typecasted himself to a YouTube audience, the funny guy. And this is, this isn't really a funny role for him. Right. It's a very serious role. Do you think about that a lot for yourself that you are going to be asked to play all these different roles? Cause obviously your role in, in Gran Turismo is very different than who you are or who I know you as. Right. So, um, I, I think that's part of why acting is fun though, is getting to explore different characters and like what makes them tick and, and I am, I nervous. I don't, I don't think so. I, I feel more excited to be able to share different characters with audiences. And maybe there's going to be some that not everybody liked, but I, I hope to only create things that people are excited about. So when you're thinking about, and like, and you're putting together a script and you're writing for yourself in it, is that weird? Or do you write a character, create a character and then know you're going to become that character? As I'm writing, I, I know it's a character I'm playing. Right. Um, so it's, it's a little weird writing something I know I'm going to play because I don't want that to influence the choices that I'm making for the character. But at this point, it's kind of just what I've done for, for every project that I've been writing so far. Do you, um, from, can you share much about the new script? I mean, I know you don't want to give too much away, but you said it's, it has, it has to do with cars a little bit, some bit, something. I don't think I can say it. Oh, all right. All right. Fair enough. Fair enough. I get it. I get it. I want to. Yeah. I'm more, the thing I'm working on right now is, um, it's like car adjacent. Like there's good car action and stuff in it, but it's really just a thriller. Yeah. Um, and I just found that the more I started writing the less I wanted to write about cars, like the more I wanted to write dialogue and right situational stuff. The stories about the people in the cars are just encompassed that more than anything. It doesn't mean that it's not like the car itself is talking. So it's really a story about community and, and the challenges they face. Right. But a thriller is like that's the stuff that, that I get excited about too. It's like fun action, heist, all of that. Right. Yeah. And I think that that's like, when I think about my favorite movies that have, that are correlated aren't car movies, right? Right. Right. Like Ronan is my favorite car movie of all time. It has two good chase scenes in it, but it's not a car. I wouldn't consider baby driver a car movie, but that was, yeah. Amazing. The Italian job or any of that stuff. Yeah. I think that those really win where we were just talking about the need for speed movie and, you know, some of the questionable decisions that they made in it. And it's like, I think it's really hard to make a car movie. Yeah. Right. And cause even like fast and furious, the first one was a car movie, but then it, and Tokyo drift was a car movie, but then the rest of them became action films that had cars in them. And those cars went to the moon and we can talk about that in a whole different podcast, but I love the original fast and furious, by the way. It was really good. Yeah. I think it, but it just like it to me, it's like, I think just being of that era and being the theaters and stuff for it and like just being like, oh, this has, I know the pulse, even if it is not exactly, you know, it's like, it's point break, you know, thanks for saying it is 100% point break. Yeah. I mean, it's all of the same things as point break, but it's still great. Point break is four thousand movies. You know, I've actually never seen that one, Louise. No, no, I know it's like one of those things that's like on the list I need to, it's hard to like go back and watch older movies, but yeah, it's on the list of things I need to go see. I love watching older movies. It's like a past time of mine when I have time. I've recently started watching a bunch of movies from the seventies because it's really the last era of practical car action. And so I've been watching a bunch of like movies you never hear of, right? And, uh, I forget how slow movies from the seventies. They are, they are the, because it's not like today where attention span is like three seconds, you need to punch it with a quick action intro. Like the setup for films was so different. I watched this movie the other day and first nine minutes had no dial. It was just a guy tuning his carburetor and then driving on some. I love it. I love that. It was it for nine minutes. I'm like, it's basically a Jim Conner film. So talking about favorite movies, what are yours? Give us, give us the hit list. Well, I was going to ask if you seen the thing. Yes. Okay. Good. Yeah. Um, yeah. Old, I love old John Carpenter films. I'm really into Tarantino, um, for some of his modern stuff, um, obviously pulp fiction and glorious bastards. Um, I, I'm a sucker for the mission impossible franchise. That's okay. Yeah. Um, God, what, what else? Um, three billboards was one that I love so much. That was really good. Yeah. Um, I just, it's not like I just have like some like million dollar baby. I love very good. Um, yeah, I would just start naming random films versus most like this is my favorite. This is my number one favorite. This is my two number one favorite. I just, every, I don't feel like I can favoritize films like that. I feel like they're all different. They're unique way. I definitely have a list. Do you have a list? No, I definitely don't have a list. I'm curious to hear you. What's your all time favorite movie? Good fellas. Okay. Yeah. Good fellas. I mean, for multiple reasons, but like I grew up in Queens, New York, it's set, you know, in New York, a bunch of it was shot in Queens. My neighborhood was like that. Um, I grew up around, I mean, it was not abnormal for a friend's dad to go away for mob activity. Like it was really like a glimpse of like life in that aspect. Um, and then, so like that, and then it just came at an era and like, it was so quotable, like there was just lines in it that I just love, like always want to be a gangster, you know, first, far as I can remember. And then it was like, go get your fucking shine box. Like there's just such great moments in that film. And I also think it's one of the few, like one of the early films that made me think about how it was shot, like some of the scenes, like where they're like going in through the back and they go through the, through the restaurant, like through the kitchen to like get into the club. Um, and I remember like thinking, man, how's they shooting that? You know, and like they was one of those things that kind of pulled back of it. Um, I'm also just a, yeah, I just like big, square, sassy fan to begin with. Yeah, of course. And then, yeah. And then after that, I would say, um, Ronan's definitely up there. Um, uh, lock stock. I'm a huge Guy Ritchie fan. I like it more than I like it more than a snap, but they're both very good. I dream to work with Guy Ritchie one day ever since his BMW commercials with Madonna. Like, we were just talking about this. So here we're all coming to, we're coming full circle. So for me, the two things I sort of give credit to for making me want to get into films is, um, the higher series, which, but specifically star, which was Guy Ritchie, Madonna's BMW film and Ronan, like those two things. Cause those were, I think it was this great mix of action, comedy, and cool, you know, just like vibe to it. I can't explain it. It was just so good. Like when they catch air and like goes into, I think classical or whatever. And then throws her out coffee all over. I was, I mean, it looked like she pissed herself, which is like so good. Um, and I love it too. Cause I always used to think about the relationship between Guy Ritchie and Madonna for making that scene, cause it was seeing Madonna in a way you really never saw. Right. Like Madonna, that, especially at that time, I think was just so fashionista. Just seeing her sort of made fun of and, you know, and put in sort of a clown role was great. Uh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so here's the thing. So hopefully maybe one day you'll get to, you know, be in a Guy Ritchie film. I'll get the second unit, the action with Will and we, we all get our Guy Ritchie check. Although are you a big Guy Ritchie fan? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no one does dialogue better. No, it's, it's so good. And all those films, I think for me, like you said, like Snatch and Lockstock, like all hit at the right time where it was like, I was watching a lot of DVDs. I was in college. I had time to be able to like watch those and absorb a lot of movies and a lot of films. So yeah, those were pretty pivotal. I think, I think for me though, like just growing up, like I love action movies. Like I love, like we were talking a little bit about like rush hour before this rush hour, all the early like Jethly and Jackie Chan stuff. I just love so much cause I just love a good blockbuster. Go in and just watch. Insane physical action or physical comedy is really good, but mission impossible holds up so well. The first one, like I went back and watched mission impossible one recently and I was like, it's shot beautifully. The performances are really good. The story is really interesting. You know, like I think you understand why the franchise is so good because like it just builds off of that. Yeah. Do you, what do you think about us? You both this cause I think that there is this tendency in filmmakers to not like action films because it almost feels like it's the, it's like the popcorn film or it's too easy or it's not art and it's on that side. But I, I too, like a good action film. Like I am a sucker for not even care if it's good or not. Like if there is a, any situation where this person used to be special forces and now needs to save someone, any Jason Statham film, like I'm going to watch it. Yeah. It might not even be good, but it does. Being good and being enjoyable is two separate things. Yeah. I'm, I'm a fan of the blockbuster action popcorn movie. It's fantastic. It tastes great. But that don't get me wrong. I still love like more of the like artsy independently financed films, but it's, it's two completely different theater experiences. Oh no, I, I agree. I love a really good blockbuster. We were just talking about going like, maybe go to the movies later tonight. And it's like, yeah, I'm down for like, essentially, like, you know, it'll be enjoyable enough to watch. Like you can sometimes go and watch a drama and it's just not good. Is there anything in theaters right now that you guys are, we were just talking about going to see running man. I want to see running man. That's one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious. I've heard great things about it. I'm curious to see everyone's like slamming it cause I didn't make the box office numbers. They thought it would, but I'm excited to see Glenn Powell's performance. I'm excited to see a great who did baby driver. Yes. Um, and I'm excited to see them work together and see, you know, the amazing work that I feel like they do together. Yeah. No, I, it's, I also love that movie as a kid. I'm, that's where I'm dating myself, but, um, I, that was like such a cool concept. And it's funny cause back then it felt so surreal where now I'm like, you definitely could make that show. Like you, like you could definitely make a TV show where people try to survive the game. Stephen King book. Like it was based on, so it's like, yeah, it's great source material. And like you said, I think, and the time that it came out cause was that 80s, like early 80s that was out, like the original, like, yeah, you probably just didn't have the resources to do it. You know, like the way you should. And now it's like, I was actually listening to podcasts with Eger, right? About it. And same sort of thing. Like all Eger rights films, like the early ones. Was it smart less? No, it was actually cause he's probably doing a press tour. But it was like a Roger Deakins podcast. So like a cinematography podcast where he was talking about it. I haven't listened to that. Podcast. Yeah. Edgar writes another big, I feel embarrassed that I spaced on the same, but he's another big, he's another big one for me. I mean, I, I still think baby driver is the only modern film to get correction, right? Like, I'm saying in the last two decades. So I think there's ones that have had snippets of shining moments. And then there's like one camera angle that just blows me right out. I think with baby John Wick, you wouldn't really consider that car as much as they have a couple of moments. I think they're really good. And I think that they've gotten close, but you don't think of it as more of a car film, but I, so I, I think there's a difference. I think there's some really good action in John Wick. And I don't think that maybe the way they captured it is right. Right. Um, then there's other moments where, um, yeah, I think that baby driver, the opening scene is really sort of just spot on. Like it just feels really good. It feels really energetic. It works really well. Um, I liked, I even, and I'm not a big fan of music over driving scenes, but I like how they worked in like the iPod and like, you know, the whole like that, like tying it all together in the edit. I just think it feels really good. Um, I think there's a couple of great moments, like obviously the, you know, the thing that Tanner did with Keanu where they have the door off and they reach out and get the gun, but I actually preferred watching the testing for it. Then it in the film. I think it's funny. We've never once mentioned the F1 movie. Um, I, okay. Yeah. We can talk about the F1 movie. I, um, I think it doesn't look better than broadcast, which I think works fine for the film, but other than like the one kind of trick camera thing that they did with like the 180 spin that now every is in every single drift video since then, um, I don't know. I thought that the, I didn't have any problems with it. Like it didn't bump. Yeah. I did enjoy the film. I thought the film was really good. So I thought the film was really good. But I didn't leave going, oh my goodness. That was some of the best action work I've ever seen. It felt, I don't know, maybe slightly elevated from like broadcast, but I think that's what it should be. I think if it was too stylized and it felt too much, not like broadcast, I don't think it hit the right demo. It would, it wouldn't, it wouldn't really land. Do you know what I'm saying? Like I think if you tried to make it in the, like, what was the Sylvester Stallone like driven or driven was it? Yeah. And like a car or something like that. Like, I don't remember that movie well enough to, to dig into it too hard, but I think there was a lot of scenes that I just remember feeling like way ridiculous. I mean, not just like leaving and driving on streets, but, but just, I think that F1 did a very good job of just making it feel like a race. Um, and I know that I think they really tried to maybe push it and elevate it, but I don't know. It's just, I, what I think I found more amazing and this kind of goes back into my same thing on the John Wick films is they did a slide out of a building. It was like a drift jump was really cool. Right. I recently spoke to Jeremy Fry on how they did that and where they got the inspiration from, and you know, he worked on that. And they actually got it from anime, which I thought was super cool. Um, but it looked a lot like the gym five drift jump, right? And I thought that moment was really cool. I just don't know if I would have captured it the same way. So I think in sometimes you get these car movies or movies that have car chases where the action is really, really good. And it's like really well thought out the stunt coordinate is really kill it. And either the edit or the frame or how it's kind of like put together, doesn't really land where I think in F1, um, what is really impressive to me in F1 is that you actually had Brad Pitt, like driving at speed and like figuring this out, right? And, and all the work they did with like F2 cars and everything they did to try to make that film feel as real as possible. I think that part was all really good. Um, and the photography in it, I think is it's a, it's a, it's a B plus, but it's definitely not, it definitely not an A to me. I don't know why it just, I didn't really stand out. Like when I was, but it also didn't take me out, which I think is so, which I think is so important. Like when I'm watching a movie, I don't want to feel like you're trying too hard with the cameras. I don't want to be like, whoa, what was that? Right? Like, why did you do that? Right? I just want to be in the movie. I just want to, I don't want to be a movie. I did. How did you feel about that? And, and when they're in the, um, probably about the midpoint of the film, when it changes complete direction into the, uh, steady single shot of the different types of music. Yeah. Um, I love centers. That definitely took me out, but I don't think I would change it. I think that centers affords itself to be artistic. It also changes aspect ratio and format the whole time. My favorite movies this year was so nice. I thought, I thought it was fantastic. Um, I, I definitely, when that moment was happening, we saw it together. Um, I definitely remember being like, hmm, interesting choice. But when it was over, I wasn't. Yeah. Like, I don't know if I would have changed it. You know, it's kind of a no notes moment, but I, it definitely took me out. Like it definitely had me go, huh, this is cool. This is like an interesting thing they did. But I think that movie is the kind of movie that allows for moments like that. I don't think F1 is right. Right. Right. That's fair. Yeah. And I don't think F1 did do anything that really pops you out. I think it does well. And I, I think that that, um, that 180 camera that they were doing sort of the control camera, you've probably seen a ton of shots on Instagram of people replicating it. Um, I thought it was cool, but it got really, really blown up. And I just feel like they could have done better stuff with it in the film. I actually think a lot of the stuff I've seen kids do with drifting with it is way cooler and a better use. So, but I want to hear Will's thought on this. Cause I know that, I know that he's got some thoughts and we never got a chance to do a pod when F1 first came out. So do we saw it together? We did. Right. I think we did. Yeah. We definitely saw centers together, which yeah, centers is phenomenal. And you're just like in your mind, you're like, how is Michael B. Jordan doing both of these characters that are so different that are and I didn't know going into it, he was playing two characters. Yeah. It's fantastic. Yeah. I don't know if they kind of hid that in the trailer or you just kind of assumed that was the same person cause it wasn't established enough. Like I just don't, I don't remember, but I can't imagine how hard it is for an actor to do that. And you've got, um, Tom Hardy did that one with, I forget the name of that film, but I'll watch anything Tom Hardy. Two girl. Are you watching not to completely tangent? Are you watch Mobland? I've been watching it. Yeah. So good. Anyway. So my favorite scene in F one is actually the opening one because I think opening is fantastic. That like, sorry, finish. Yeah. Cause I think, I think what you're talking about is I think that it worked from their coverage because like thinking about trying to integrate with F one, right? Like we just shot at a live event, right? And I've done that before for a show also where it was like, Oh great. You got to integrate into this. You only have this much time on track. You're not really taking any chances cause you can't, you know, you're like, you have this much time in the event scheduled to capture it. So you're not going to be doing big dramatic things, but for the opening in F one with touring cars, you have, they were at Daytona for two weeks filming, you know, around the event. So they could go on track. They could have the helicopter. They give the firework explode in the middle of the track. They get scripted all of this action happening. And like for me, that was so much cooler because mounting cameras on F one car is literally the hardest challenge ever. Oh yeah. The vibrations are insane. Traveling at speed with the cars hard, but like, as you know, shooting a GT car, it's a lot more accessible and there's a lot more points you can put things. So, and they don't cost that much to run versus an F one car. So they did a really good job with the opening scene. The opening scene was fantastic. I like my heart was racing after it. I'm like, Oh, and it's set such a great tone in the beginning. I think it's really good. Yeah. We obviously have a couple of friends who are involved in that. Um, yeah, I thought they did, I thought they did really. So I think in general, everyone was good. I actually, I sort of hate the hate for F one. There's hate for it. Oh yeah. You mean just for the series or for the movie? No, for the movie. Okay. There was a bunch of sort of F one fanatic hate for it because this would never happen or like this, this is, you know, this, like people getting too particular about it. Yeah. And I just, I don't know. It's interesting to me because those same people probably love days of thunder and it's like, well, that movie wasn't realistic either. Which I'm excited for the next they're bringing the whole combination between those two amazing, but there's definitely, there's definitely. A bit of, um, I don't know. There was a bunch of people who were just trying to be, you know, internet. Oh, that's not how they would do that. That's not how you do that. Like that, that couldn't happen. It's like, I don't know. You have to suspend a little bit of reality. I think for making a movie like that work in, you know, a two hour window. You know, if you want to make that show last a mini series for six episodes, maybe it could be a little bit different, but you got to move through stuff a little quicker. You can't explain everything and all of the kind of like driving stuff that he was doing and, you know, and they're like, Oh, you can't do that because of this, because of that. It's like, I don't know, just let it live. So I actually, because it's funny because I, when we talked about before, I said it hasn't been, you know, I, when I think of driving, I think of really sort of crazy car chase, like driving at the edge stuff. I don't often think about motorsports movies in that package. Cause typically I think in motorsports movies, I'm okay with it feeling similar to what the broadcast is and maybe punching up here or there just so that, you know, it has maybe a little bit more of a cinematic version of the broadcast. Um, yeah, I don't know. I think he skipped over a few that were like definitely sweet car movies that have come out that have good driving in it. Like rush was great. You know, Ford versus Ferrari was really good. Like, but I think like you're talking like a hyper stylized type thing, which is Ford versus Ferrari to me, right? The action might not be so crazy, but the Christian veiled driving shots are really good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that movie was again, I take, I think when it comes to racing, um, there's been a bunch of good stuff. Um, you love the practical on screen and that's why I think the baby driver intro, like you like so much, right? Just because you're like, you're really seeing a car doing this. Yeah. And it's not. It also looks like Jim Connell won. Right. Right. Right. Um, sliding under the semi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I guess when I say car stuff, I, it's less the motorsport stuff. Cause I think there's enough, um, I think there's enough stuff out there for inspiration and motorsport that it gives cinematographers sort of a reference of how to film it where I feel that in the car chase world, we've left the great car chases of yesteryear bullet, you know, all these sort of kind of classics from the seventies and early eighties. Um, we've sort of forgotten about those. And we've moved into a CG world or we've moved into a world where even if you're shooting practically, you're shooting the car in a way that it feels, it's more camera tricks than it is car tricks. And I'd rather see something that's a, the car doing something cool than being really tight on the front fender or the front headlight and a lot of camera shake and all that to sort of create something that feels that way. And I don't know. I think baby driver broke that. Like baby driver was the first film for me where I was like, this car chase feels like I understand what's happening. Yep. You're telling me a story. I, I can follow this and I get it. And I've always said, and it's not a car movie. It's not a car movie. Yeah. Yeah. And I, um, you know, I mean, fast and furious. I, what is your thought? What is your take on the fast and furious? I like fast and furious. I was obsessed with the first and the third. Uh huh. Um, and I am totally okay with the fact that it became more of an action. Franchise with cars around it. I don't care how cheesy it is. I don't care that they want to space for family. I love it. I'll see everyone. I, I support that. You will wear you out on the same thing. Like I think that there's only so much you can do in that sort of world. Like it felt like too fast, too furious. It already pushed it to a point where I was like, yeah, I don't, you don't, it doesn't need to be this tight around the cars anymore. Like you can do something else. Yeah. I certainly wish that they had stayed a little bit more true to car culture on some things. It very much felt like Hollywood's take on car culture on a certain stuff. And especially when I say culture, I really mean the cars. Like I think at a certain point, the car casting was really good. I mean, there was a moment where, you know, you've got Paul Walker's, you know, characters driving a Mark one escort, which was like, um, that's really cool. Like that was even early for people to think that that was cool. Um, but I just felt like then it just kind of got into a world where it's just dodge chargers and I'm assuming that's all. Sponsorship behind the scenes, but you shouldn't take that sponsorship. Like to me, that like lessened the movie for me, right? Where it was cooler when what made, I want to go back to the first one. I was in my early twenties, maybe 20, not even 21 yet when that movie came out. And what was so cool about it was like they checked all the boxes, right? You, they, they threw in, you know, they had obviously a collection of great JDM cars and then they threw in like one shitty Volkswagen to, you know, try to service the Euro kids. Um, and, you know, but then they had, you know, the muscle, like they, they had all this different stuff. I thought that was really cool. Like there was this nice little nod to people of, of all these different things, different entry points for it. Where I think in the later movies, you sort of lost that and it was just becoming in that look, I get it. There's an entire audience that loves Mopar, but it just felt. That there was less variety in what we were seeing. And it was more of, can we make this cool thing to do this one scene? And we don't even care if the car really looks that cool and, and, and whatever. So, and it's funny cause my son just got a bunch of, uh, Brandon Cotter just bought him a Fast and Furious. Uh, he bought him the, the charger and so he loves it. And I'm like, yeah, that's a car to love. Like that thing is super cool. Like that is a super cool car. And then he also has the rally fighter and he liked the rally fighter until he got the charger and so the kids got taste. And then he doesn't like the rally fighter anymore. It's like, this is the weird car. Like, I don't know why that car was ever in the film and no knock to local motors. I appreciate what you tried to do with that thing, but it just like isn't cool. Um, so I think that they lost that and they, I wished some of the action stayed, so like some of the earlier stuff. And the early action was still already ridiculous and unreal. I think going to the moon and like some of the, it just gets over the top. I don't know. It takes, those are things that take me out. I'm like, what? But that doesn't mean I don't still go see them all in the theater. So I can't say I don't like it. I can't. I don't like it. When people compare it more to an invent Avengers, I get it. It's the Marvel. It is Marvel makes a, makes a car movie. Yeah. Because it's that they've built it in such an incredible franchise. It's amazing. They have rides for it. Everything. Yeah. It's amazing what they've done with it. Um, I think that, you know, going kind of back on that, I think that. An interesting thing for me is how much it has influenced modern day car culture. Yeah. Right. So I'm pre-fast and furious. Like I was into cars when that movie came out and when it came out, I actually saw really like a massive negative effect to it because it really shut down street racing in New York city and it made cops start pulling you over because all of a sudden it was like something to talk about on the news. Yeah. So to us, it was really cool at first, but then it sort of had this massive shutdown on car culture in New York. Like all of a sudden you couldn't go cruising anywhere. And it all happened within six months of the film coming out. Um, that doesn't mean that I didn't watch that thing until the tape popped. Right. I mean, it was like me and my buddies would watch it all the time. Like we would just be hanging out at the house, barbecue, and it would just be on the TV playing repeat. Right. Um, certainly, certainly loved it. But I think that you look at a, the next generation of car culture and like so much of it came from that movie, like how many people would be into cars today if that movie didn't come out? Which is. Definitely. Super cool. And, but it's been 20 plus years since that movie came out. I mean, two decades is crazy for a franchise to run that long. Do you think this next one will really be the last one? Hey, what's up? Here's a quick little story time interruption brought to you by FCP Euro. The time has come for me to do what I think most middle-aged men do, which is relive my childhood by rebuilding my first car. And my first car was a 1995 Volkswagen golf, but I'm going to do this one a little bit better. So I got myself a 1995, but this is a Volkswagen golf synchro. That means it's got a bigger engine. Yeah. It's got that VR six and it's all wheel drive. Unfortunately it is set not running for over 20 years. Yeah. It's a full on barn find because it was a project when it sat. 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Most likely they've got all the parts to get your Euro back on the road. They certainly did for me. Do you think this next one will really be the last one? If I was them, I would start doing spin offs. I think, and I know they did the ha, I know they did a Hobbs and chops. Yeah. I know they did that spin off, but I actually think it would be interesting for them to do more car culture based stuff, especially right now. I mean, I don't think car culture has ever been as big as it is now in my lifetime. I probably bigger in the fifties and sixties, but I think car culture is, is absolute peak. And I lived through the hip hop era and the mid two thousands and worked in the business when it's, you know, picked my ride and it felt really big then. It seems even bigger now. I mean, it, especially in the United States. I mean, I think America's, you know, final, um, acceptance of formula one has kind of brought in this whole new sort of sports viewer type, um, following. And then just the fashion sort of crossover with eighties and nineties car culture is so big now. It's like, you just see it everywhere. So I, I think right now would be the time to do that for them. Like they could probably spin off and do it. It's kind of amazing that they haven't taken that route as much as they've taken the action style from Marvel. They haven't really looked at it and said, this is like Star Wars. This is X-Men. You can, you can do individual storylines. You can do all the spin off. And I know they did one, but they, the direction they went was even less car involved to me. It felt like, right? Like where you could go back and, you know, you could tell origin stories. You could tell side stories. You could, you know, you could do these characters when they were younger with new actors. I think you could reimagine this. You could, you know, whatever happened to, uh, what's the kid who's in the Volkswagen, Jesse? Like, you know what? I know, but like, but there could be like a whole other story line. It doesn't matter. Song's character died and came back. There's no rules here. They just have to like open up some like continuum in this space. You know, and I was like, yeah, okay. Fair enough. Isn't there an argument that take you drift kind of is the first spin off? Yeah. That's true. Well, I don't know if it was a spin off as much as it was definitely a spin off. I think it was them trying to figure out what to do with the franchise. Right. It was them trying to prove that they don't need the cast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, well, I think it was them trying to prove they didn't need the cast. I think it was probably also not having the budget to, to bring the cast in. Cause like Vin Diesel exploded after the first film and all of a sudden was in everything. I mean, this is an opportunity for you both as screenwriters is to write the fast and furious spin off or origin story for whatever side you want there. Scott, oh, you know, yeah, I just think there's, I think you can just, just live in the universe. Right. Like I don't even think you need to use any of the characters. I think you could bring in all new characters and it could be slight. I mean, just like how they did with, you know, with ballerina for the John Wick franchise. Like I think that there's a real opportunity. They've created this name that's so good that you could just build something into this. By the way, I do just want to pause and say real life over almost 50 minutes in. And we've only talked about movies for this part. So I love it. This is great. This is what this podcast is supposed to be about. Very vehicular. Today it's very cinematic, but you know, whatever. Well, I will add and say, I do know that they've tried to do spin offs and there's been spin offs in the works, but then they just haven't gotten traction, no pun intended. Um, for the reason that the films are still out. I, from what I understand, I don't think they wanted it taking away. I don't know that for a fact, but I do know they've tried doing it, but I don't know if they're waiting for a later time or what, but yeah. I'd love to read one of those scripts. It'd be interesting to see where they, where they go with that. Yeah. Right. Um, I think they, I think what would be interesting for them, I don't like give them all the good ideas, but they grew to this point where they were completely leaning on the shoulders of really, really big actors who require really big money to be involved. Um, well, I don't think your next budget can ever be cheaper than the previous. You have to continue to run up yourself and then you get stuck in this position. Trust me. I know that with the Jim Conner films, like all I ever wanted to do with the Jim Conner films was hit the reset button and go back to doing something basic, but you just feel like you can't, you feel like you can't do it. With every Jim Conner after the first, just more and more progressively expensive to make. Was there one that was ever cheaper than one previous? Um, let me try to think, uh, they were maybe close. Um, I mean the first one was $30,000 to think how cheap that is. I mean, it's not even in the same like 30 grand is Yeah. To what you guys probably spend. Yeah. I mean, like, like I've, I've signed up on 30 grand without even thinking about like, well, that's only 30. Wow. That's a bargain. Yeah. That's like, I'm pretty sure you can't even do a day for that anymore. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Day, a day is six figures. Easy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yeah. I mean, it's, it's really ballooned out of that. And part of that's just, there's an expectation level. You do things different. First ones were shot on HVX's. Now we shoot on cinema level cameras. So, you know, that's all really, that's all really shifted, but I think there's also just, if it's doing well and you just keep spending on it and it keeps doing better, but there's a bit of a trap there. Yeah. Right. And at a certain point, there's something fun about making something scrappy again. And I, and I also think that new, I, to me, I mean, do you guys watch Star Wars stuff much? A bit. Yeah. I, like, I don't watch a ton of it, but I was into the first films when I was a kid, obviously, and I'm not by any means like a big Star Wars person, but I've really enjoyed a lot of the spin off stuff. I think Rogue One may be, and I know you share this. Love Rogue One. Did you watch Angkor? Yeah. And like the, and like these to me are, are better than some of the films, right? Like they've found a new storytelling elsewhere. And I think the fast has that capability. I think they have the capability to go find a whole other storyline that just lives in the universe and not chasing it with big actors. I think it would be really interesting to go do, you know, something with a, with a Netflix or whoever. Um, who are they on by on their universal, right? Yeah. Um, you know, they could go somewhere there and find an entirely new storyline that maybe runs through streaming that, that does it differently. I think that that could be very interesting because they've gotten into this world where you're, you're being ran by big stars. And when you're that big, the big stars have a lot of say and the big stars only want to do certain things and they don't want to do certain action. And they don't want to do this anymore. Then, and I get it. Like it's, you're getting older. I mean, all these guys are older. I'm old. Like they're all 10 years older than me. So you got a whole crew of people who are in their fifties and going into their sixties, they've aged out of making this movie. Right. And I, bringing in a younger audience, it's excitable and wants to kind of do that and be more involved. I think could be, could be really interesting for that series. Cause you've built, it's one of the biggest, not even just an automotive, it's one of the biggest film franchises. Period. Period. It is. It's, and it's, and it's only, and I think as car people, we forget that. Cause I think there's a negative note about Fast and Furious. Even if you love it, you're going to make fun of it. Right. It's like part of it. It's like, it's part of our meme culture in cars. And I think fast is in this weird place right now where I didn't like the last one. Did you like the last one? I mean, I watched, when I say didn't like, like, would I watch it on a Delta flight? Yeah. Sure. Twice. Maybe when I go to the theater to see it. Yeah. Would I watch it at home? No. And that's an interesting thing to say, but like, I enjoy the theater experience so much it's worth going to the theater for, um, just to go see it. But like, would I go watch it right now? No. Would I go if, if when we're done with this podcast, you're like, you guys want to make some popcorn and go watch Fast One a hundred percent. Like your original Fast and Furious was, was so good. Tokyo drift also really good. A bunch of them were really good. I think the last one just felt, I don't know. It just felt like nobody wanted to be there, but I don't know where, where are you at on that? I, we've really tangented, but it's okay. Let's just keep going. Yeah. I don't want to shit talk fast cause I feel like the, they've done so much for this community and for this industry. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not. And I, and if they call me tomorrow and said, Hey, do you want to be the next one? I would be like, don't pay me. I'm there. Yeah. By the way, I think every person sitting at this table would 100% work on the next class and that's not short of giving it some criticism. Right. It's fans acknowledging that, you know, we'd all love to, to help just to grow it in a different way. I would argue that it is one of the most influential things to car culture in, in the past 20 years and also bringing like, I would say that the video game culture. So like for it's, uh, um, you know, the, uh, you know, yeah, at Gran Turismo, like all need for speed. I think all of them did an amazing job of bringing the outsiders to go, wow, car cultures, car cultures are pretty cool. And then I'm a little biased. I do think a lot of the Jim Connister stuff really helped like an audience that didn't know that was there. Funny thing, Ken Block never saw a single fast and furious. Really? Yep. Never saw one. Didn't watch a single one. At a certain point was like, I haven't seen him. So I refused to see them. Yeah. I think it became that way. Um, I think it became that way. He said that he knew enough about the first one that he had no interest in seeing it. Ken hated anything that felt faked. So he was like, I just died. Just, he just had no interest. And, uh, a concept that the two of us had, unfortunately, we were never able to make was Ken Block watches fast and furious reactions to it and to do just a reaction series of like Ken, like watching it. But yeah, he just, he never saw, which I always thought was really interesting because people would like ask him questions about fast, like on autograph lines and he'd be like, I have no idea who, what? I don't even know who you're talking about. Like he has zero understanding of the film, which I always thought was, was really interesting. So it's just not his kind of thing. Yeah. I will say that they do a great job. Like you said, I think the spin off potential is there because the world building is really good. Like Tokyo drift, like with Justin Lim was incredible because you believe that that world really existed. The first one feels like. I thought the we've deteriorated a really good job too, stepping into a franchise like that. Yeah. So it's like that does exist. And that, that's actually a question I have for both of you guys is like doing screenwriting, coming up with your own stories and things like that. Do you like having a box to kind of work within or is it too broad? Like if I was just like, Hey, you can make whatever you want. No budget consideration, no character setting kind of considerations. Wide open. Do you like working like that? Or do you like having some constraints where it's like, Hey, I kind of know that it needs to be this much needs to exist in this sort of world. Or is it like as a storyteller and creating something like having free reign is kind of. Oh, I feel like, at least for me, if you have free reign, it's a little excessive, then you find yourself just doing the most like arbitrary things you can. When I'm writing, I, I have a budget frame in mind, but I'm not like, Oh, I'm not going to write that scene because it's going to put me over. I still write the scene. And if I need to tailor back, I will. By the way, I just want to say it's such a fantastic question. Cause I think as a creative, I spent the first half of my creative, you know, time wanting more, wishing I had more budget, wishing I could had more opportunity and I had more, you know, less constraint. And then I hit a moment where I realized that the constraint was what made the creative good. I mean, you go back to Hoonigan daily transmission. We didn't have that much money to make that show. The rule was you couldn't leave the yard. The rule was the minute that the gate opens, it was going to cost us money. So we could just try to figure out everything we could do in that yard. We never thought we would make 300 episodes. We never thought it would be something that would go on to do millions of views. Like that wasn't the plan, but it made us all like really force the creative. And even look at the, you know, a couple of different scripts that, that, um, the will and I are like, you know, working on right now, one of them, a, one of them, a producer said, don't even worry about the budget. If it's a good idea, we'll get it funded. And it's almost like the minute he said that it, I was no longer interested where we're trying to make this other thing that's so low budget that I sort of enjoy the box that I've had to build into. Well, reservoir dogs was made with a million dollars. And I know it seems like a lot of money for people who don't understand budgets, but that's nothing. So it was swingers. It's like those two movies and that whole, both those movies came out around the same time, like those were fantastic films for what the spend was. And you go back and you watch them and there are inconsistencies everywhere. Like you watch, you're like, Oh, that changed. They're wearing something different. Cause you know, they probably didn't even have a script supervisor managing it. Cause they couldn't afford it. They were just like a bunch of people wanting to make a movie. Um, and the original fast was massively budgeted because it was the original faster periods of supposed to be shot in New York city and they couldn't afford it. So David Ayer rewrote the film to be more of a popcorn film and have it be shot in California. Cause it was just easier to make something. And David Ayer wasn't involved with the first one. Was he? He rewrote, he did the rewrite. So after that, he was not involved. Yeah. He wouldn't know. He, he got out of it then and felt, um, pretty bummed that he did cause he kind of wish he had stayed along for it. Um, he actually approached Ken and I after gym five to make a gym conom movie. Unfortunately, I never panned out, but, uh, but yeah, he, but he did the rewrite of it. That basically turned it into what we know fast as today. Cause it was a much moodier sort of drama when it was set in New York city then cause it didn't have the same kind of like over the top heist element or anything like that. It was, it was more based in the world of street racing and that culture. Um, yeah. And that like completely changed the direction of it, but I don't know. I think that, and that was all because they had a budget issue. They're like, no one's going to watch this movie. So you would say you're right with budgets in mind as well. I do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we did all in everything in Hoonigan was always, can we afford to do this? Right. So I think that the budgets one, I also, there's other things I like to think about. It's not just that sometimes even just like locations wise, like, Hey, how can I make this location work? Um, use that as inspiration. Um, I'm, I find that my brain is wired to find solutions to problems. That's, you guys both are, you know, think about that. Like as creators and creatives like that, like that's all you've been doing for the past decade plus, right? Is like, how can I be scrappy and do this? Yeah. Cause I'm sure the first builds that you both did weren't like what you've done recently, the projects, you know, like the scale has just, although I've come full circle. I'm like back to working on folks. I guess. Yeah, for sure. So I got so burnt out on over the top builds, but yeah. So also the demand now for YouTube, it's like, you have to do like a full build in one episode. You can't just like, when I was on YouTube starting out, it's like, I did a year building my 240 and then another year after that for the other 240 and then the Subaru stuff, like it just wasn't as it is today. Now I feel like I have one, maybe three episodes to do an entire ground up restoration. I'm going to use this as a great transition moment. Cause I, this was sort of, this was the whole thing I've been thinking about for the past 24 hours. So I was like, what are we going to talk about? And you get here. Where do we go? In terms of content. Just, yeah. Or in terms of life. I was actually talking about lunch. But no, meaning. So I think this is this really weird moment right now, right? Like we first generation, well, first generation YouTube was cat videos and whatever, but second generation YouTube was the vlog era. Right. Right. And now we're in this interesting third generation of YouTube where I think the line between YouTube and television is blurring more and more. And then like, where does it go from there? Do we just go make TV? And then all of a sudden we ended back up where it started. You know, I, I, I think this is interesting as I watch a bunch of, you know, what are now the seniors in the space, people who've been there for a while, you know, think about how many other people are making the stuff that you make now. Yeah. Right. And one, you're over saturating the space. There's so many people out there, but there's also just a want to do something new to do the next thing to kind of continue to, um, you know, improve the first episode of very vehicular we did. Uh, I think Vinny dropped a bombshell because he told the audience that we absolutely hated making daily transmission and people were shocked by it because like, wait, like, no, it's like, we just sat there and watch other people drive their cars. It wasn't a lot of fun and it was fun for the first 20 episodes, but on episode 347, it was kind of old and we used to batch film them and it became a job. Like anything else. That's the thing too. Like for, and just to tag on that, I'm sure when you guys were filming this first, that you were filming like not 20, that's an exaggeration, but 10 episodes a day. Yes. We would do, we would do in the two to three days we're there. We would do 20 plus. And it like, I could see how it stopped being fun because it's not like, let's have fun. Let's be honest. Talk about it. I was like, all right, from this time to this time, we banter him this time, this time we got to be racing from this time. This time the other drivers are already getting ready to line up and it becomes more production. So at that point, yeah, when are you blurring the line of film or television? Do you want to talk about cars today? You think we should talk about cars? You want to just skip right over and just make this a media episode. I'm good about it. I'm, I'm a cool. Would you drive here today? Anything fun? Uh, usually I drive a Nissan, but I don't have a press car right now. So I drove my Cadillac CT5V black wing. I really like super charged six, two liter V8 six speed. I really, I really, really like that car. Yeah. It was out of the RS six. So it was torn between those two. No, you have an RX. No, no, no, no, I don't. When I was buying the Cadillac, I was torn between an RS six or that. And then I did the press drive for this car and they said it was going to be the last one that they make, um, in a manual too. So I was like, you know what, I'll get this. Well, we could talk about press drives. Cause all three of us have done press drives. So it's like, yeah, I want to go with the RS six though for a second. I don't, I realized the other day, I don't think I like the RS six. What? Yeah. I know it's crazy. Wait, that is so random for you to say that. I know, I know cause I'm such a big Audi guy. I have an RS too. Because everyone loves them. You're like, you know, that would be a strong argument because I'm definitely a bit of that person. I'm like, Oh, you like it. I'm not going to like it. It's the punk rock in me. Um, I think it lost the plot. It's the new fast film for me. I think it lost the plot. I think it is too big. I think it is too flashy. Like my RS too, if you, it's, I mean, I had the plate on it. If you know, you know, because I spent 40 minutes talking to random boys in a parking lot at Ace hardware this weekend, cause they wanted to talk to me about my RS too. When I say boys, I mean, 40 year old men. Um, but, but because it's like, if you know what it is, it's super cool. But if you like that stuff, you like the uniqueness, something that's different. I see that with this ridiculous 9 11 next to us. Not always, but I do enjoy the subtleness, but I always thought that's what made RS's. Like the previous RS four was pretty subtle. If you didn't know, it just had wide fenders. The new RS six looks insane. I don't know. It just seems, it seems kind of crazy. I actually think that the new Volvo wagon, whatever it is, the V 90 wagon or something, cause I saw them parked side by side outside my house one day. I was like, I actually think that's a better looking car, which is crazy for me to say, I love Audi's. Yeah. Do you think understated cells though in that market? Like if you're competing, it's a hundred and what $30,000 or something. No, I get it needs to be what it needs to be. That doesn't mean that literally everything we're talking about from films to media to this of like, yeah, of what sells and what does well. Now is like the, it's just like, there's no plain pizza anymore. Everything's just like, it's like meat lover and vegetable lover and cheese lover. It's like all the lovers enjoying. Yeah. I don't know. I guess I just missed the subtleness of it all. So everything just feels like way, way, way, way over the top, but it's still a badass machine, but is the RS six more offensive than the M five? I don't like BMWs at all. So you're asking the wrong person. I stopped liking BMWs. That's another hot take. Yeah. I stopped liking BMWs after the E 30 M three came out. I'm obsessed with the 30 M three. It's a beautiful car. I just, um, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's cause when I was a kid, the kind of people who own BMWs, I just didn't like them. Um, I like the 36 is the 92s. And then I started losing after that. Like, don't get me wrong. I like, I'm a fan of like the modern, like them two competitions, them fours and all that, but I just, it lost me after the 92. To me, I think that they are, uh, I can't really speak to the newest ones cause I haven't driven them, but I think that BMW makes one of the best driving cars in the world. I just don't speak to me. I feel like maybe it's for you and I both, it's an age thing. I feel like we missed the boat on the younger generation. And, and I feel like you'll agree with this too is just, I feel like everyone's driving a BMW, um, or they're driving something unique and fun. Yeah, I saw something about BMWs, not fun. I'm thinking like, like I love when I see someone work brown on a Nissan Z. Like it's, it's cause it's, I feel like so many, so much you see BMWs as kind of being like that, what the infinity G 35 was in the day. Yeah, I get that. I, um, I don't know. I actually wish I could lose my BMW, like jadedness or bias. Cause like I said, like they're, they're film series. The higher was to me, one of the greatest things. And if they tomorrow asked me to do one, I would do 100% do one. And I would, and I, I respect them as cars. There's just something about that barrier that I don't know. It's just, I can't cross it. We're, I've crossed it with a bunch of other makes like I wasn't a big Corvette person and now that's not entirely true. I was a big Corvette person when I was young, but I went through a period of time of not liking Corvettes. I don't know why. And then I drove the zero six, the C six zero six. Yeah. And then I got to drive the Pratt and Miller car. I was like, this is fantastic. Yeah. I drove it back to back with an I 11 turbo and it was way better on track. And I made me kind of love it. And now I like have gone back and I love C fives. And I didn't even like that's funny. Cause back in the day, right? Cause back in the day, I just didn't think that was cool at all. And now I'm like, man, I think I want to buy a C five. Like that's pretty cool. The, I don't know. I just keep going. I get like really close to BMWs. I'm like, maybe I'll like start paper building one. It's funny cause you're such a Euro guy. I know. You would think that I love Mercedes. I, I will eventually own one. You know, obviously love Porsches, love Volkswagen's, love Audi's, love all of it. So, but it just never, I think Amelia said that there's this thing for people younger than all of us at this point where it's like BMW fits this sweet spot of a car just being old enough and being performance and real drive and kind of cool looking, but it's the generation that we probably all skipped over. Yeah. Because it's like that second hand sort of market where it's like, oh yeah, like the three series from these years is now like really attainable. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I mean, I get it. There's a lot out there. I get it. I see a lot of them. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I get it. It just never, it just never landed. Like for me, I don't have a lot of Japanese cars cause I don't fit in them. It's not because I don't like them. I just don't like, I don't fit in a 13. I don't fit in a 14. I fit in an R 33 cause it's a bit bigger inside. I don't fit in a 32. Yeah. I can't, can't relate. Yeah. You know what? You should sit in my nine 11. You could see a car. You don't fit in. Cause I bet you, I bet you won't be able to reach the pedals. I have to usually sit on padding just to see over the steering wheel. When, when, when my wife actually needs to move it, she takes a backpack and fills it full of towels and wears that to move the car. Cause the clutch is so heavy. The clutch is so heavy cause when she pushes back, it would push off the clutch. Yeah. So yeah. I already know I won't fit in it. No, it's, it's slammed to the, like the seat is so low that I have like five inches of headroom in the car. You probably won't be able to see. No, I won't be able to. Even my own a GT four S club sport that I raced up, Pike's peak. If anyone looked inside the car, there was so much padding. I couldn't see over the dash of the thing. We tried doing a seat pour, but I just didn't like the way it felt. Um, cause it's not like a single-seater open wheel car. We just stuffed a bunch of padding in it that I used in order to be able to see over the dash. So all right, we jumped through. You started talking about actress. You're talking about car builder. We didn't really talk about building cars, but that's fine. You talk a lot about building cars. Yeah. I have a channel for that. You have a whole channel for that, which is awesome. I will, I want to touch on one thing on that though, cause we're talking about, you know, I have mostly Euro cars, but I also have some muscle cars. Um, and I've got some trucks. You have an interesting taste cause you have some really, really cool Japanese cars, but then you also have like a really interesting interest in older American cars. Yeah. Where, where do those two come from? Cause it is sort of to me, I can tell you exactly where it came from. Well, to me, there's like a massive split there. Right. Like I have, I have a Nova that most of my friends who like skylines and Sylvia is whatever it could care less about, but you sort of have blended those two. And you have an audience that enjoys that blend too. Yeah. Which I'm so thankful of, but how I got into cars was being the only one in Bloomington, Indiana with an infinity G 35 when everyone else had American muscle. My second car was a Nissan 240SX with an LS one. So it was blending both worlds of American and Japanese. And obviously from there was just a, a, a appreciation of both and, you know, kind of segueing into, yes, I have my RB 26 or 34, but I also have my, my LS base 69 Camaro. Right. So. Um, do you feel like there's two different audiences that you attract from when you talk about both cars or do you feel like there's an audience that just sort of is enjoying both now? I definitely have an audience that enjoys both. They enjoy what I enjoy, which is great. Um, but sure there are people who are like, eh, she's, ah, you know, I can't really say that because the views didn't speak for that. Cause I did the 2000 horsepower VR 38, which did the same amount of views as doing the, um, Plymouth super bird build NASCAR build. So slightly different audience. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe slightly different audiences in a way, but, um, I feel people watch my channel, like really just enjoy watching me have fun, which is great. And I think that that's such the, if you can do that and keep that the key, yeah, cause I always get people will constantly ask me questions. If I do a panel or whatever, like, Oh, what's the, you know, what's the trick to YouTube or what's this or what's that? I was like the minute that you stop having fun, your audience realizes. Yeah. If I'm doing a build, I don't enjoy people see it and they don't want to tune in. Yeah. And I don't want to do it either. Yeah. And, and also I think that's why I don't upload every day is because then it would stop being fun for me. Cause then it's just, I'm a glorified mechanic. I love that even just thinking you uploading once a week, you're like, that's not a lot, which is crazy that that's sort of the expectation, but I actually think even weekly, you look at guys like mighty karma, they'll do like once a month. Yeah. I am so jealous of that. And cause it still works for them. Yeah. But there's most people are uploading every other day or a couple of times a week. And I just, I couldn't keep up with that. Yeah. What is the lead time for you? Like on a project, like what does that whiteboard look like when you're like, Hey, these are the things I want to do in like the next X amount of time. Well, the things I want to do in the X amount of time versus whiteboarding, just the structure of a build or maybe a little different. I don't plan too many builds ahead because I'm usually just so deeply obsessed in what I'm working on at the time. A lot of people on a lot of partners and sponsors want to say, Hey, what's your 12 month plan? What are you going to be building this year? And, and, and I try to have a plan, but truth be told, like my, the car I'm working on, I'm, I struggle sometimes to see past that because I also don't want to just finish it. And I'm really good at, at this is, is not just finishing a build and parking it. Like I really like to build cars for a purpose to be able to enjoy them. So it's, it's, I can't always promise what the series is going to look like after I build it, cause it depends on what I'm able to do with it and how much fun I'm able to have with it as well. Tell me more about finishing cars. What does it feel like? Speak slow. I know that there's like, at least for you and I, I think we're very similar. It's going to be very curious to see if you are as it's like, are you a good person that's able to conceptualize a build and like do a ton of research beforehand, before you even really like embark on buying like a donor car, a project car, like, do you enjoy that process? Like the idea. I'm an impulse buyer. I'm a, I am such an impulse buyer, but, um, yeah, I mean, I do a ton of, I try to have all the parts ordered before I even start the build because that is just that downtime kills you, especially if something's back ordered for six months, um, and you can't get it anywhere else. Um, yeah, I try to, I really try to have everything ordered, everything prepared. I kind of know what I want to do with it ahead of time. I leave some room for when the audience watches and they say, like, oh, you need to do it this way. And, and, and that way I'm not too stuck in my ways. And I, and I'm open to changing and, and interpretation a little bit, but for example, like the NASCAR super bird, when I bought that super bird out of my buddy's barn, I, at first I was looking at, like that was kind of an impulse buy. I knew I, what I wanted to do with it. I was looking at doing a, like a hellcat swap on it, but after buying the car and looking at it, I was like, man, there's really like the only thing that's good on this car is the roof. Like there's literally no floor. Everything's rusted. Um, and I impulse bought, um, after a couple of years is on Facebook marketplace. Um, I used NASCAR, um, and thought, Oh, this would be so, and that's what struck the idea of kind of doing like a Richard Petty inspired R5P7 NASCAR super bird. And, and that wasn't the plan when I bought that chassis, but it slowly just kind of built into what it is today to me, then doing the 210 plus mile an hour run at good years, uh, proving grounds. Um, the Z I knew exactly what I wanted to do with it before going into it. The Corvette, um, I did not. When I bought the Stingray, I wasn't planning on twin turboing it and building it to what it is today. Um, but yeah, sometimes going into builds, I know exactly what it is I want to do. Other times I buy it cause I'm curious about it and I like it or something like it sounds like stupid cheesy artsy, but like something speaks to me about it. And, and I, for whatever reason, I'm like, this is the next project, but it, it's not like I, I try to plan really far ahead. I don't always get that opportunity to, but once I start a build, that's what, that's what I'm in. So there was an early variant of like a super bird, then that was going to be like entirely kind of Mopar, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Okay. 100%. Um, and then it just, it just pivoted because I saw something that just really excited me. I'm happy that I'm not the only person who has late night marketplaces that then, at least for you, it doesn't change the direction of like 30 people's lives cause people at Hoonigan would just see a flatbed show up and drop off some carcass and like, don't you guys see it? And it was like, no, I don't see it at all. What you want to put a what in there? Oh, like, oh, that's coming on the next flatbed. I bought two cars to make one, but I definitely, I would say most of like the really kind of wild ideas at Hoonigan were inspired from just me on marketplace. Yeah. And I was, and I'm not saying this cause I know you have a hard time finishing projects. It's okay. It's okay. This is part of the therapy. That's fine. I'm willing to, I'm talking about it now. It's okay. I am, I'm weirdly, if I say I'm going to do something, I have to do it. So from, and I just like, I think it's my OCD and I don't take it lightly. I actually like, I have bad OCD and I have, um, like, uh, uh, Touretteco CD and like I, I am a weird fucking person, but that weirdness makes me have to finish something I start or else I can't sleep at night. I get that. Yeah. I like to, I do. Do you get that? No, I do. I do cause I have it in different ways. So for me, my cars aren't important. So it doesn't really matter cause like they'll fall down the list of important. So I think part of my neurodivergence is everything has a hierarchy. So it's like the Jim Conner film has to get done. You don't need to finish your Volkswagen. You know, so to me, I wasn't a, I, even though I made content about my cars, it was like filler content to me and some of it did well, but it wasn't what was important. It was more important that the main thing at Hoonigan got done. So it was like trying to see that through that being said, I am definitely a starter and not a finisher. I love starting a new project. You want to go start something right now? We can go take a motor out of a car tomorrow. I'm here, um, putting it back in, putting it back in is fine too. It's the last 10% it's like, I don't want to plumb the brake line. Yeah. Ugh. So, um, I'm there right now with the GT three, nine, 11 that I'm building. What, what I, this is, you know, when you're busy, you only get fragments of this. So that car caught on fire. What's the story with that? Cause I'm literally telling you what I know from scrolling Instagram and I'm like, wait, is this thing on fire? What are you doing? It caught on fire at the racetrack. The previous owner did not have insurance on it. Um, everyone is like, Oh, the guy drove away cause he wanted to put it on public road. So it's off a race. I can make an insurance claim. He did not have insurance. He was having fun. He did a fat, nasty burnout and maybe a little longer than he probably should have. Uh, and a piece of tire got stuck in the wheel. Well, caught fire, lit the liner, lit literally everything. And it just, when they were driving to go get an extinguisher because there weren't anywhere they were, it just lit up in flames. So it wasn't actually an engine fire. It was more bumper fire. So I didn't still intact. It actually ran. It, it's fire. It's cosmetic. Yeah. Um, I mean, there was some like, um, vacuum lines that had melted, but for the most part, everything was fine. And I didn't know that buying it. I thought the engine was torch. So it was, um, so it was actually a huge victory. Yeah. Usually things are not better than you thought they were. Yeah. Yeah. It's usually always worse. Yeah. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I didn't realize there was a window on the backside of the idea didn't see that on initial inspection. Yeah. Um, but now I got, got really lucky with that one. Um, and right now it literally just got the motor and the whole over the weekend. And then now to start plumbing everything. If you have any interest in watching me clean a bolt, that could possibly happen on Patreon because that's why I love Patreon. See here on YouTube, there's certain things that just don't work, but on Patreon doesn't really matter if it works. Just matters if you want to watch it. Anyway, subscribe to my Patreon. I might clean a bolt or two, answer some questions, tell old stories, pontificate. You never know. Question for you. Cause Will and I were discussing this before. What do you think was either your moment, your build, your video that sort of changed or like changed the direction for you and sort of kind of brought you to that next echelon in being an automotive creator. Like was there one particular moment for you where you felt this is like things are moving and opportunities are opening up and viewerships increasing and there's more going on. There's a term for it. Um, like a step curve. I never really tipping tipping point. Yeah. I never really experienced that so much as much as just like a linear. Curve in a way. Like it just exponentially, the more I continued on a consistent schedule of uploading and building, um, the larger, I guess I got, which sounds weird to say. Um, I will say though, building and piloting what was the world's fastest Corvette, new generation Corvette at its time, definitely gave me some notoriety. Um, I wouldn't say that was the thing that made me, but it gave me validity and not only my abilities, but also my teams. And, and that was a blessing, I would say. Um, but it wasn't like doing one thing propelled me to being who I am today. Right. Um, yeah. And I don't think it's saying it that way. I think it's more like, there's always this thing you keep doing it and eventually it tips, right? And what do they say every overnight excess took, you know, 10 years to happen. Um, and then I don't know if that would be your success, but you know, I knew you and I was well aware of your stuff well before that, the Corvette build, but that, we were talking about this before you got here, that that was definitely the moment where I think you sort of joined the ranks of the, the, all the YouTubers. Like, cause all of a sudden it was like, you were now in the same Venn diagram as Cletus and all these other people, but especially too, cause you tapped into that American car market, which is a much broader market than I think a lot of what a lot of us play with in the Japanese drift and kind of Euro space. Um, but that was the thing where I felt like all of a sudden you were exploding. Like we were watching from the outside and, you know, obviously we knew you at that point, we'd already done some stuff with you here and there. And, you know, I remember just being like, Oh yeah, you're, you're on it right now. Like it felt like, you know, not just seeing other people talking about you, you're showing up in like, like actual media and things like that was really cool. So did that change the way that you were thinking about other stuff you were going to do? Cause I think that was a very, I'm going to build this and I'm going to go do something with it and then I'm going to achieve something. And then, you know, that's, that gives you like this. It's like a really nice story arc. Cause I think one of the issues for, and I'll, I'll be my own critic for Hoonigan was a lot of our stuff didn't have a story arc. So, and a lot of it was because by the time we got something done, we were like, either we need to be onto the next thing or there really wasn't a budget to go finish it out or whatever the reason was. So, you know, there were things that were really cool. Like scumbug, we built it and then we went to go did Baja with it. Like that was rad. There's other things we built that barely ever got used. Like it was just for the sake of building them. It's probably cause we were making too much at the time and there was so much going on that no one really cared or was focused on it. It also wasn't anyone's personal journey. Right. It was like a company's journey where for you, this was like your own personal journey. I think that's the difference. It's, it's a personal journey, but they're also my cars that I'm building for myself and what I want to do with them. Yep. Um, but yeah, it was interesting cause that, I guess that definitely was probably the bigger thing, if not one of the things that like suddenly I was in the conversation with these YouTubers that before I was like, it'd be so cool to meet them one day. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. I mean, I think that there was, cause I remember it was that and then all of a sudden like I just, it sort of exploded. And I think it was a model that also did very well for cleat is right. Build something, go break a record, go do this. Right. Like it, it. To use your word before, like it, it was a validation on what you had done. Right. Not only as, um, not only as someone who could build something, but as someone who could also drive something, and that brings us to our last transition. That was a good transition. You like that? Yeah. So that brings us to the last transition, which is, which is Amelia, the race car driver, I got to spend some time with you at Pike's Peak this year. And, uh, I just, uh, I don't want to big up too much, but everybody was really impressed by you. And I'll tell you why. Because I think a lot of times people expect influencers to show up and not actually be good at it. And a lot of times they're not. Yeah. And I think one thing that has been amazing for anyone who is an influencer, your content creator is that, uh, this audience, this sort of clout, whatever it is, can open a door for you, but it won't keep the door open. Yeah. And I think you got there and you really impressed. Like you impressed like old people who are like, are not impressable. Like, you know, they're just like old motorsports guys who are like, what is damn YouTuber? Like you definitely like, wow, you can actually do this. And that's cool to hear too, because obviously I only know what like first hand interactions I have. So it's nice to hear people were saying that behind my back too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's much behind your back in that negative way, but it was in a positive way. People say stuff to your face, but I think everyone was, I think you drove, you were quick and you were calm and you were consistent, which is what makes a really good race to our driver. Right. Like you could be quick and not consistent. That's not really good. Um, but I think that you actually now belong to a very, very small group of creators who are not just, um, good at building stuff, good at capturing a audience, but also can drive because it's a very, very, very small window of people who can do it. And especially outside of drag racing, not that I want to take anything away from drag racing, but it's definitely a different skill set. Like I think there's a bunch of drivers who are pretty good at running their car on a quarter, but there's a way smaller collection of people who are good at setting a time or, you know, on laps or, you know, rally or anything like that. So, so, so is there a future there for you? Like, do you want to do more of that? It was third in your list. So it felt like it was all the way at the back, but I mean, there's more on my list. But I hope there's more of that. I, this past year, um, I was really thankful for being able to do that formula E race as well as pike speak and have success in both of those and, and perform very well. Um, I love driving. I really do. I hope to do more of it. I want to do more rally racing. And, um, I know that's something that you love. Oh, you know, I, I was the idea. I was just looking at a text message between the two of us, because I went to go text you and think the last thing we text about was I was like, I really think you should jump into rally. Like it's a, it's a really cool space. I think you'd really enjoy it. So it's, it's definitely a space that I would love to get into. Um, I would love to do pikes again this year. Okay. I don't know that I could continue like not continue. I don't know that I could do a series where it's like every weekend I'm practicing where I'm out there. It's going to be more of, of not one-offs, but exposition style races. Um, I would love to do more endurance races as well. Um, but yeah, I mean, I absolutely hope to do more driving. I have so much fun doing it. Well, it looks like the Nurburgring has just opened up like sim competition level for qualifying for the license to be able to do the Nurburgring 24 hour. Yeah. I didn't read all the details. So backstory, uh, Vin, myself and Ron were supposed to race a 24 hour on with Hyundai as a factory team. And we were in the process of going through the licensing and all of that when we all left to and again, one of the reasons we left to and again, not entirely, but one of the reasons was, was they shut down the program because it didn't work in their insurance. No knock on them. They have like 1500 employees and workers comp would have dropped them. If any of us participated in racing, which actually made a massive problem because it meant that no employees at Hoonigan could ever race. Ever in Hoonigan was a salary employee. Yeah. Yeah, we were all salary. So we would have all had to like leave a salary employees and do all this stuff. So anyway, that's not, it doesn't matter, but we went through the process. I mean, we were going to have to live in Germany for two and a half months to get our licensing. Yeah. So it was crazy, the amount of work and we were going to do a bunch of stuff here, but I think they've, I think because of our Stappens run, they've made changes to that and they've realized that they need to, to lighten it. So if you have experience in another country and you can do a bit of stuff, apparently it's them, don't quote me entirely on this, cause I haven't actually read the article. I was just in a group chat that was like, man, if this was here two years ago, we probably would have gotten to race. But even like just to get your license to be able to race there, your certificate, two and a half months is crazy. Like for pikes, for an actual professional race, I moved out there for one month and that was a ton of time. And you kind of give up content for that month too, right? You said, would you stack stuff so you could really focus? So I was still uploading, but everyone knew that I was in Colorado, um, practicing for racing, but like I've been training on my pilot's license for years now and that's just, so what, okay. So we did the first three. So, so now we got, we got actress hyphen, like auto, automotive builder hyphen race car driver, half a potential pilot. What else you got on there? Producer, producer, writer, screen, yeah, screenwriter. Um, um, um, I know that is like a bunch of stuff in your past. Like you've had many lives. So you, cause you said you used to do like mountain climbing. Cause when I talked to you about being afraid of heights at pikes, I love heights. So I, I, I traveled the U S competitively rock climbing for a period in my life. Okay. Um, I know you're an avid snowboarder. Cause you still start working with this guy. Yeah. We've ridden together and we plan on jumping out of a helicopter together. Yup. Nice. What else? What else? Um, I see you were dabbling with some boat racing. Yes. Um, I'm really enjoying the hyphens keep going. What else you got? Um, mountain bike for a little bit. Did you say you got out of or weren't doing that after breaking my collarbone? I don't downhill mountain bike as much. Um, do you have hardware in there now? I got that titanium plate or no, no, no, no, I got, I got really, you can feel where it healed. I, I have this weird thing about collarbones. Really? Just collarbones? Yeah. Like it's just one of those things that can makes me do this. I don't like people touch my collarbone. I don't like touching other people's collarbones. That doesn't bother me at all. I don't know what it is about collarbones. It's probably because I rode BMX and I was like into snowboarding and like carting and all the things that you break collarbones in. So I was always afraid of breaking collar, my collarbone. Ashley broke her collarbone four times. She broke it first snowboarding and she broke it a big bear. Which she hate now she'll never go back to be rare. And she had to ride her down in the Ambo with a completely separated clavicle and then the second time, I don't know how she broke it. So eventually she broke it again. Oh, in the same spot. Yeah. Sleeping. Sleeping. She took, they took the titanium plate off and she rolled over the middle of the night and cracked it. Oh, so now she just has the plate. Yeah, she just kept the plate in. Yeah. So that's great. The other one, the plate that broke is on her keys and always look at it. I'm like, I don't know what it is. Like most stuff like that doesn't bother me. Like I had to like, like pull my friends ear out of like a dirt jump. They ripped off once. I was like, oh, here's your ear. Something about just clavicles. Like they only have to be exposed. Just seeing them. I'm like, whoa, it's just a weird, it's a weird bone for me. I don't know. Gives me that. It's like a ticklish thing or something. Anyway, so anyway, you got a lot of hyphens. Is there anything else? I'm sure there's more. Yeah. I'm the same way. So for me, it's the ADHD though. I just like a lot of things. Yeah. I can't do just one. Like I want to be like Brian Scott, a filmmaker, podcaster, writer. That was one. Yeah. Writer. I do enjoy building cars, but I think I have to finish them before I call myself a builder. You know, I enjoy, I'm not a race car driver, but I enjoy driving cars. Spiritually. I wish I could be a race car driver. All I want to be is Jeff Swart when I grow up. It's all I want to be. I mean, he's an Africa right now racing. I know he's in Africa racing, what is probably the greatest race of all time. So yeah, it's like East Africa Safari is the top rally. He's there with Alex Gelsamino, which is Ken's old co-driver. So yeah, that was a yeah. No, Jeff's like doesn't really like Jeff just has like the perfect life. I aspire to be him because he is all the things. And he's got he's got great style when it comes to cars. He's got he's just cool. Like I enjoy talking to him. He's a good person. He's a good person. Yeah. He's a good conversationalist. He's brilliant creatively, has an amazing eye and is also really, really good behind the wheel. I don't even know how old he is anymore because I've gotten older, which means he's gotten older and I've known him for a while and he was kind of old when I first met him and he's still really fast behind the wheel. Yeah. I was talking to Chris Harris the other day and we were chatting about something and he was talking, he's, he's at the rally as well, but he's co-driving because he's co-driving for Ferdy and he's like, yeah, I can't believe I'm going as a co-driver. He's like, I just, but whatever. He's like, you know, I'm gonna, I'll go and I'm like, all right. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, Jeff Sword will be there. And all he said was he said, never met him, but he's old and fast. Isn't he? And I just like, I mean, Chris Harris, like that's, that's high praise. Like Chris is probably the fastest journalist to ever live. Like the man is really good behind the wheel. And Jeff is like in great shape too. Like he was like, um, cardiovascularly, like outperforming me at the top of the mountain. I'm like, try to catch my breath. I was getting dizzy and lightheaded. He's just there holding conversation like another day in the life. In Jim Conner files, they're the first episode. If you haven't seen it, if you've ever watched Jim Conner files on Amazon, it's really worth watching the first episode because it's all about us filming Climb Conner at Pikes. And there's a moment where I am hyperventilating to the point that I might puke. And Jeff is like running. Yeah. I believe it. And I make the comment of like, I can barely breathe. And this man over here is like running, you know, circle. He, one thing I, he told me he does, I saw him do that now I try to only do this. So silly. But whenever there's an escalator and a set of stairs, he told me he will never take the escalator. And now I'm like, you know what? I only take the stairs. Will and I are like that. Like when we travel, like coming home from, you know, you're coming home internationally, you fly into Bradley and like there's a little big flight of stairs to go down, like always take the stairs. Yeah. Like always, always do that. Is that to beat the people going down or is it to be a little bit of that? But it's also like just to try to get your steps in. Like it's definitely. Global entry is pretty good now. Yeah. Global entry is pretty good. Yeah. It used to be that. But I definitely add that the other, you know, I got so wrecked by the elevation the first time I was ever at Pikes. Like I got really, really sick. The first time I was ever there in 2006, 2007 that I take it really seriously when I go there. So when we did climb, I entirely cut out caffeine from my diet a week before because it's one of the things that can affect you. I didn't drink a drop of alcohol the whole time I was there and I was really healthy and I over drank water. Like it was just, and that was because I'm already a bit afraid of heights. So it's like, I already have that like dealing with the heights thing. The last thing you want to do is be like dealing with heights, have a headache, be nauseous, feel dizzy. So it's like I was able to remove that. Although Pikes Peak actually, when we were filming there, I think it carried my fear of heights. Like I'm still, I'm still height aware. Like how people are gluten aware. Like I'm height aware. Like I'm like, ooh, that's a clip over there. I'd rather not walk to the edge. But at Olympic, which is that thousand foot drop, like at the end of the film, I walked all the way up to the edge, went around the arm, co, and like kind of gave a little look where I know you two, like you guys like climbing, which is so dumb to me, like climbing is almost as dumb as running. I have no interest in doing either. One thing I want to do for Pikes next year, which apparently people were doing it last season, I didn't bring my board as you drive to the top and you just ride down because there's still snow on the mountain. Yeah, those shoots still stay in. Yeah. So. Interesting. I'm not afraid of heights once I'm on a snowboard. I don't know what that's about. Like I've ridden like, I've ridden like Chamonix, which is like, I mean, there's nothing on the, in all of America that feels like Chamonix. Like you come around a corner of Chamonix and you're like, that's a 4,000 foot drop. And there's no fence because they're French and they don't care if you die. Like it's totally different than the US where it's like, don't go this way. You may die. There's X's. It's like there. You're just like, oh, wow, this is just wide open, top of a peak. When you backcountry in Japan, they make you feel like paperwork that basically like, you know, what your name is, what your, you know, contact is for emergencies. And they give you like a number. And at the end of the day, you have to bring back the number for them to know whether or not they need to go searching for you or not. That's, that's, that's pretty sketchy. I used to go, I used to go camping with my parents in Northern Canada. And after you crossed a certain point, it was a no search and rescue. Unless you left a $10,000 search and rescue fee and my parents didn't have any money, so like we just wouldn't leave the fee. So you have to sign paperwork that says, you know, they won't come find you because you're like too far deep into the back country. They can't afford it. So. Well, the sad truth is of this number thing. One of the guy, like one of the guys I met at the hostel who my friends and I were riding with took his number with him. So, but they also never tried calling him. So I'm like, how, how legit is this number system? There's still a man, a Japanese man right now driving around, looking for this. And then all will drive K van trying to find him. Well, so more race car driving in the future. Yeah, I will say the thing I want to see most from you is more acting. I would like to do a film with the two of you. I think that would be real. This whole podcast was setting up this one moment. We have arrived. This is it. I hope you watch to the end. We're announcing now we're doing a movie. We don't know what it is, but we're going to do a movie together. We're going to figure it out. We're going to figure it out. We're going to figure it out. No, I think that would be really fun. Yeah. I think it'd be really fun. And I think it would be one of those things that the community would get really behind. I think so. So, and I think something that would be really cool for me is I only, I, if I could have my way, I want, there's something I really want. And maybe you could be that person. I want to help build like the next, like Paul Newman, the next Steve McQueen, where they could do their own driving because one of the problems. I have a Steve McQueen painting on my wall at my shop. Yeah. One of the things that I just think would be very interesting is someone who can act and also do a lot of their own driving. And obviously we saw a bit of that with Brad Pitt. And that's when we bigged up on them with F1. But I think that that era is gone where you could have a driver, James Dean, who could, who could wheel a car. And because of that, you could put them in a scene and you don't have to do face replacement or you don't have to do a lot of stunt driver stuff. And not saying that you have to do all of it, but if you could do 90% of your scenes. You're literally saying like what my dream is. Yeah. I just think that that would be amazing. I compare like the career that I like to have is what Tom Cruise has built. Except I don't need to do all the stunts. I want to do the driving stunts. Yeah. And I think that that would be, it's so cool. Cause how much more do you enjoy a Mission Impossible? Because you know that he was actually on that. Oh, so much more. He actually jumped the motorcycle with a parachute. And like I would do that stuff. Don't get me wrong. Like I'll break an eight, I'll break an ankle jumping between buildings and finish out the scene. I'm like, yeah. I think that that stuff is great. I was just listening to what went wrong and they were talking about Kevin Costner. I did his own stunt at the end of Waterworld because they, it was the bungee jump scene. If you, it's referencing an old movie. No, I love Waterworld. You know, I do too. And everybody hates that movie. They hate it because people got really mad about how much they spent on it. I don't really think it's that bad of a movie. I love the movie. It's pretty good, except that he's like nothing but an asshole to all the women and like children in the movie. And then all of a sudden he's nice at the end. You could say that about a lot of films. And a lot of men. So, but, but I think that I actually really enjoyed it. I haven't seen it in years, but I might rewatch it, but I was just listening to the podcast about it. And, um, but I guess he did the bungee jump thing and like wrecked himself. I didn't know that. It was the last shot that they did. And, and the director was like, can we go again? And he looked at him. He's like, we're done. And he just walked off set and went home. That was like the end of the shoe because, because they didn't have enough budget. So he was like, and they were like, we were going to run out of time and we're going to have to, you know, they didn't have face replacement technology then. So they'd have to shoot it in a way. And if this, they saw the stuntman's face, they'd have to shoot it again. And he was like, I just need to finish this film because they were like 75 days over schedule. I was like, I'll just do it myself. And then like hurt himself. It was like, I'm done, but I, but it makes me like respect him as an actor so much more cause like you're fully in it. And I think that CG and how really good they've gotten it, you know, face replacement, but also just masks and all the kind of stuff that they've done that it doesn't feel like actors need to do that stuff as much. But I think getting into the role and actually feeling what it feels like for a car to slide sideways or for a car to jump, you can just play it better. You can understand it more. You can actually understand the thrill and the excitement that comes into it. Cause I definitely watch a lot of people in cars looking the wrong way. Feet like we're having too much of an exciting. Gran Turismo that although we weren't allowed to drive the cars, they went above and beyond to try to make sure that we still got to experience it. So we were in pod cars and the driver was on the roof. So we still had the wheel and the pedals. We weren't really driving it, but we were on the track going at speed, passing one another, which made for like a ton of fun and a better experience than. Oh yeah, for sure. You know, yeah, we're on some process. Yeah. They're not for sure. Well, this is how one of the scenes that Frankenheimer did in Ronin, they used a right hand drive car. They put a left hand drive dash in it. So De Niro's actually in the car, but the stunt drivers driving underneath a Duveteen wrap with a steering wheel, but he's in the car with them and they just framed him out of the shot. So De Niro looks terrified. Well, it's mounted cameras too. You just paint it. Yeah. It's like De Niro looks terrified because like he's actually in the car and like they're sliding these super narrow roads and niece. Like that was real and they, and everything was practical there. And I think it's just, you can feel it. Like something honest about it. The marketing of movies at this point plays up so much. And the audience likes it. I know. Because Tom Cruise's whole thing now is that. I mean, like with the fall guy, like all that was playing up all those. And then like, I mean, even like Glenn Powell is what we were talking about earlier, he was like, Oh, I did it. I'm just done. So, you know, well, you realize, I mean, like, you know, fall guys, a perfect example, cause that was a big push to like, we were making a movie about a stunt guy, let's bring back real stunts and like, actually. And the 87 11 guys are the reason why, and, and I'm pretty sure I don't know if it's been definitive, but stunts are going to be the Oscars now. Oh, they should be. Yeah. Yeah. Literally risking life in limb to make, to make it work. So yeah. Anyway, maybe we can make that happen because that to me is where everything gets even better because now there's carrying the role narratively, doing all the acting, but also being able to be in the car, do a lot of the maneuvers, like figuring all that out and, and just, it feels more real. I think that's one of the number one things is, as Will and I transfer or transition from Jim Conner, you know, Jim Conner filmmaking style as well as, you know, just anything in drifting or motor sports and then working in Hollywood is you always have to think around, okay, now how do we do this? With the talent in the car? Yeah. Right. And how do we figure this out and make this feel, you know, as realistic as possible, because that could be the giveaway. That could be the part that doesn't, that doesn't really land. But then at the same time, and you know, you see this in the Jim Conner films with Travis, Travis is so animated in, in the car that it adds a different level of energy where Ken was a robot in the car. He, he like winced once and it was like probably because he landed a 150 foot jump. He was like, ooh, otherwise he's just there. He's just calculated because he's a race car driver. Yeah, he's locked in. Right. And I think being able to actually be in the car and act a bit while doing it is like a really nice piece. And you go back, you look at the old Steve McQueen stuff and you're like, yeah, he's actually driving right now. And there's a cameraman, ratchet shaft to the front of the race car. It was the good old days. So, well, hey, I realized we've gone a while, but thank you for coming out. Yeah. Our counter stuff counting. It stopped counting at some point. Yeah. I was afraid he was going to do that. We've gone past time, which is yeah, but 99 minutes. No, I enjoyed this. So thank you. I hope the audience, I hope you guys enjoyed it home. Obviously you probably turned on going, great, we're going to talk about all of her builds and we jumped all around and did a bunch of other stuff. So what is your favorite build you got right now though? Oh, I can't say favorite. It's like, do you keep your cars? Yeah, I've only sold like two. All right. So we have some things in common. I struggle to sell them because I end up loving them so much and I can't tell you what my favorite one is because it's like picking a favorite child, even if you have a favorite, you don't say. But yeah, I've got a series that I saw. I have 26 cars right now. Ooh, I have 21. Oh man, you're up there. Yeah. I have 26 cars right now and it's absolutely ridiculous. A lot more of them run than most people realize because in the past two years, I've just taken care of a bunch of it, but I want to do a series where I cut that down to 12 and part of it. Maybe you can come on an episode. It's going to basically be like, okay, it's like this or that. Right? Like you have five Ford trucks, ranked them from your favorite to your least favorite. That'd be fun. Yeah. And then people have to be like, wait, you're going to keep that one. And then I have to rank everything because I have this other show I want to do. And we'll bring you back onto it called Firing Order, where we just make an order. We do a list. So like favorite car movies, like what's the best car chase scene? And you do the list and you make the list. And I really just like it because it's a good name, firing order. And then the crew of people who come on are called the rotating assembly. I just appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, whatever. I was really proud of it. Fine. Whatever. I like it. I like it. But, but I like the show as a concept. Everyone brings their list. So you bring your favorite three. He brings his favorite three. I bring my favorite three. And then we fight over it. And we have to finish with a list in order of what we all can agree on. Right. I want to do that. I want to do that. But I want to do that with my car collection as well to get my friends to help me lighten the load. So because like, it's like ridiculous. Like there's certain cars like the nine 11 is a forever keeper. Yeah. But I have a Ferrari 360. I don't drive because it's just not me. It's cool. It sounds amazing. You can fit in it. Yeah. And actually I fit in it better than I do the nine 11. Really? Well stock. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually pretty big inside. Yeah. The far is bigger than you expect, but I love it. It sounds great. Um, and every time I drive it, I'm always telling people I should drive this more and then I move it out of the way to drive my rapid. It's just not me. I'm not like a Ferrari guy. I'm like subtle. I just, I don't even think I knew you had a 360. Yeah. See? Yeah. I have a full NGT like kitted three red 360. Yeah. See, it's not here. It's a PBI right now. So, but yeah. So I know, see things I probably should get rid of. But then again, when I drive it, I'm like, this is really good. And that's all it takes is like for me to like rotate something in and then I don't get rid of it again. So anyway, I want to try to cut down to 12 because at this point I have 26 cars that either run poorly or have problems or don't run at all. And I think having 12 cars that are somewhat dialed would be great. Like this still doesn't have a headliner. Hasn't had a headliner since 2009. So whatever, because I, I tend to opt it because I'm too big for a sunroof side, I tend to have the car, but it's just things like that. Like I just don't finish anything. Like everything's like slightly broken. AC doesn't work on the RS too. But every car has like a little thing to it. And I just would live, I think maybe it'd be better to have more. I don't know. I'm getting old. I want like things that work. Yeah. Or it'll just be really good content to make that I just fail, completely fall apart and can't sell anything. So I did sell two cars in the past month though. So progress. It really is. It really is. Gross. Gross. I sold most likely my most reliable car ever because I sold a complete ship box that I drove from Vancouver down to LA to someone who then drove it in the same shipbox condition from LA to Pennsylvania. And I realized, I realized this may be the most reliable thing I own. And I just gave it away. So anyway, thank you for coming on. Um, we'll have you back. So, you know, it's good to see you and, uh, good luck on everything. Yeah, let's go make, let's go make a movie together. Let's do it. Yeah. What kind of movie you want to make? Action cars, fun. Cool. Put it together. Sounds good. Yeah. Thanks everybody. Well, sorry to say that is the end of the podcast, which means no more listening to me unless you are a Patreon subscriber. And if you do subscribe to Patreon, first off, thank you. If you don't sign up because you can find a lot more from not just me, guests, walk arounds, a bunch of additional content, including a tour of like my garage, which a bunch of you have asked for it for some odd reason. Go check it out. Brian Scott, on Patreon. Viper industrial makes the best damn shopstools ever. Go buy them. Okay. 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