New Glock Trigger; Turkey Hunting Tales; Comparing 1911 Pistols: Hour 2

The Ruger LC Carbine is the ultimate range companion. Chambered in 5'7 by 28 is fun to shoot and low recoiling. A folding stock and collapsible sights make it compact. Learn more at Ruger.com. I mean there's so much for us to talk about. A lot of things going on in the news. I'm going to get to those just a little bit. A lot of things happening with gun rights and fighting courts and what the debacle that's going on in the Commonwealth of Virginia. We're at the governor signing a whole bunch of gun control bills, gun bans. Waiting to see if she's go ahead and signs the ban on semi-automatic firearms. Harmy Dylan, the assistant attorney general, already wrote the governor and said, if you sign this we will sue you. Basically saying if you try to ban AR-15s, that's unconstitutional and we will sue you for that. We'll see more about that in just a little bit. First let's go to the phones. Line 3 Malcolm is with us out of St. Mary's, West Virginia. Hey Malcolm, thank you for your patience. How can we help? Hi Tom, I was, I was already signed up for a shotgun class with a tactical defense institute in Ohio and I was wondering if you've ever had an experience or any of the callers have had any experience with this facility? I have not. I went to the website tdiohio.com looking at that. It looks like they have a lot of different classes. I don't know anything about them first hand or even by reputation. How did you decide on them or how did you find them? Well, I've contacted several places because I recently acquired a Benelli M4 and I was wanting to take a shotgun class with it. A lot of places have just not gotten back to me in Virginia so I started doing a wider search and came up with this institute in Ohio. My sense is just looking at it. I think it probably is a pretty good facility. I think you're going to enjoy it. You probably have heard me say before just go into it with your eyes open and make sure that everything looks safe and like it's supposed to be. If something looks weird or seems weird, honor that feeling and ask about it and if it continues to feel weird, don't be afraid to bail out. But I think you're probably going to get some good instruction there. It looks like. Okay. Good. Well, tell me what, you're with the other part of this. You know what I'm going to say next, right? You got to give us a range report once you've been there. Yes, sir. I'll be more and happy to do that. Sounds good. And if anybody listening has some information on TDI, let us know. Tactical Defense Institute in Ohio. Give us a call and fill us in. Thanks for the call, sir. Let me run over to Rich. He's online one out of Buffalo, New York. Hey, Rich, you're on Gun Talk. What's happening? Hey, Tom. Just a couple quick things. One, a shout out to Hornady. Believe it or not, I bought a powder measure online somewhere. I don't remember. Before COVID. And I just recently was able to finish my reloading bench building it. And so I pulled this thing out after probably almost seven years and it's broken. There's no indication in the box that it was mangled or anything. And I called them up. And without even batting an eye, no question. Okay, we'll send you a new one. No questions asked. Did they want you to send back the old one? No, no. They just, you know, and for all they knew, I broke the thing. You know, between now and seven years ago and didn't even, didn't even question. What were you expecting when you called them with that? Well, I was hoping that. And from listening to you talk about it quite often about gun manufacturers and stuff like that, I kind of had an inkling that they would take care of me. And just wanted to let you know that they most certainly did. Isn't that a wonderful thing though? I mean, there aren't a lot of industries where you call somebody say, yeah, I bought this thing seven years ago. I finally got around to opening it and it's broken. I mean, most people would go, you got to be kidding me. Really? No, we're not going to cover that. Yeah. Yeah. It probably just got crunched in shipping or something. And you know, because I'm sure the quality control is really good, but you know, it's out of their control. And yeah, even covering something that the shipping company is really responsible for, they just took care of it. Yeah, it's a good company. All right. You got something else you want to talk about. Yeah, I don't know if you ever heard of the Stealth Arms Platypus. It's a 2011 and the thing you could customize it a bazillion different ways. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Ever seen it? No, I know. I've just heard about it. I mean, people rave about it. It's a great gun. You can get the frame, however you want, stippled, however you want. It's aluminum, so it's permanent, right? You can get a square trigger guard, rounded trigger guard, skeletonized trigger and hammer, all kinds of different trigger weights. The slide, you can get flat top, round top, you know, pick rail, no pick rail. And if that wasn't enough, you could get like every single slide duration and difference in parts like the hammer, the safety, every single thing, any color you want, any color combination, it's amazing. Why? Why did you do that? Well, because, you know, I like orange, you know, and there's not many orange guns. I'm like, oh my god, I could get this in combination of what I want. Okay, wait a minute. You just won. In 31 years, I have never asked anybody why they bought a particular gun and the answer was, well, I like orange. You win the interview today. I like turtles, kids, from back in the day, right? And another thing, it takes Glock 17 mags as well. So they're cheap. Oh, yeah. You could step on them, rack them, who cares? They're 20 bucks, you know, and it shoots like a dream, you know, it's a great gun. Now, are you using this as a competition gun, strictly ranged defense? What are you doing with it? Competition, I shoot steel matches with it mostly, and it fits my hand great. A lot of times, the 1911, the grip safety would get in the way of my thumb. And this one, it just, the way the safety is oriented and everything, and the thickness of the grip, it fits perfect. And I know there's got to be some variation, because you can customize it all you want. But just ballpark, what does the Platypus cost? And it was about 1700, which, you know, isn't cheap, but for a full-on medal 2011, it's not. It's probably 90 to 95% of a staccato for less than half the price. Yeah, I mean, that's really where we are now with just good 1911s, especially double-stack 1911s. 17 is almost the starting point. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great value, and they look great. You could, uh, how long have you had it? About a year and a half now. Okay. So you put some rounds through it. It's holding up. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Not a single misfire. You know, they tell you there's a break-in period and stuff like that. Never, nothing yet. Nothing. Just a factory ammo, obviously, because they haven't done any reloads yet. But sure. Yeah. It runs great. Great. That's a great range report. Rich, thanks for the call. I appreciate that range report. Let me jump down to Billings, Montana. We got John called in on five. Hey, John, what do you have there? Go ahead. Hey there. Go ahead, John. You're on the air, sir. Okay. I'm waiting. What were you going to say? You called me. What do you want to talk about? Well, you were talking earlier in your show today about, uh, Dan Wesson. Yes, sir. I have a Dan Wesson guardian that I've been carrying for about four or five years, and I have not been nothing but impressed with it. I'm an Ipsik shooter, and I shot a lot of 38 Super in the open class, and I found this one available. Super's hard to find, but it's got a fully supported chamber, so I can use the same ammo I did in competition. Uh, and I have probably put five, six hundred rounds through this pistol, and it has never, ever quit. It just keeps feeding and feeding. I've been impressed. You know, I like the quality of the Dan Wesson guns. I got the one I bought and then just got these two in to try out, and you know, they're in the Gotta Send Them Back category, but I still having fun with them. So yeah, I like what they're doing. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you the slide fit to the frame. It's just incredible. Just incredible. Accurate. Very accurate. I'm just going to say that's what I saw in all three of these. It's like, wow, these things really, I mean, they've got good triggers, but they're really accurate out of the box, so I really like them. Yep. I won't give it up. 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It is, let me see, reading from the release, a feature rich pistol. The Paris, the popular RXM platform with the highly sought after Aimpoint COA Red Dot Reflex system, offered in both 15 and 17 round models. The Lipsies Exclusive Ruger RXM COA Edition is available in three colors, et cetera, et cetera. But what they're doing is this is a, if you don't know, Aimpoint has the COA system of mounting a Red Dot and it's pretty robust and pretty impressive. So you might take a look over at Lipsies.com, take a look at that thing. Gun rights group, SUSE, California, over 11% firearms and ammunition tax. Second Amendment Foundation, SAF, has filed a suit or actually a motion for a summary judgment. California charges an 11% excise tax on firearms, firearms parts and ammunition. Now, you know there's already an 11% excise tax on all guns. It's a federal excise tax. So this is an 11% on top of the 11%. So we're now at 22% in California that you have to pay. And SAF is suing saying this is a tax on a fundamental civil right, clearly it is, right? Could set a precedent, think about this, on whether states can impose special taxes on the exercise of any constitutional right. If the taxes are upheld, it could open the door for unlimited tax increases on firearms and other civil liberties. It doesn't take much imagination to think of a number of states who would say, well, you know, if they got away with 11%, let's make it 20% or 30% or 50% or 100%. I mean, if they're allowed to tax a firearm and owning a firearm is an enumerated constitutional right, a fundamental constitutional right. If you can tax it, you can eliminate it. You can tax it out of business. That was of course, the original intent behind the $200 tax on NFA, NFA items. In 1934, you could buy a suppressor for like 10 bucks or less. They say, we're going to put a $200 tax on it. Think about that. So what's that, 200% tax? Yeah, I think so. What if they put that on a gun? You got a $1,000 gun, we're going to put a 200% tax on it. You say, would never do that. Yes, they would because they already did. They already put a $200 tax on machine guns and SBRs and suppressors back in 1934. In Rhode Island, they've already had a ban on the sale and transfer of semi-automatic firearms, basically ARs. Immediately after that, no surprise, no surprise because this is what they really want. One of the legislators says, well, if it's too dangerous to sell, then it's too dangerous to own. She said, we're just going to amend that. We're going to change that to include the word possess. So it'd be not just a ban on the sale or transfer of ARs, but the possession of them. That would be a ban on the ownership. That would be a confiscation of them. And then in Canada, of course, they're requiring the registration of guns and they've had like a 2% to 3% compliance rate. And now in Canada, they're saying, yeah, we're just going to send the police door to door. Not sure how well that would work here, although there are plenty of politicians who would do it. And again, people say, well, they would never do that here. Yes, they would because they already have. In New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina, they sent the police door to door. And if you weren't at home, they kicked in your door and searched the house and took all the guns. The mayor said there will be no guns here that are not owned by police. People say, well, the police would never actually do that. Yes, they would. How do we know that? Because they already did. They will follow their orders or they'll find somebody who does. You say, well, I quit. Great. Bye. Joey over there. He wants a job. He likes the bennies. He likes the retirement program. He'll kick indoors and take people's guns. Yes, they will. Jim's in Medford, Oregon on two. Hey, Jim, you're on gun talk. What you got? Hey, Tom. How you doing? Nice to talk to you again. I bought one of your GT 25s a long time ago and I was just, I've been hearing you talk about how many, you know, you've got so many in 1911. And I was just curious what you thought of that in this whole scheme of things, well, the 1911, where you would rate it. Okay, fair question. The GT 25 was a commander size, four and a quarter inch barrel. 1911 we did with Ruger. It came out of their Ruger custom shop. I'm just trying to get everybody to know what we're talking about here. And it was a 10 millimeter. What we did with that, Jim, is we changed the specs on that. It's a version that Ruger never made. And we use parts from cylinder and slide, Bill Loughridge's outfit, and really upgraded a lot of the parts. I would offer that that pistol would compare favorably with $4,000 pistols today. Now that was what six years ago now, maybe now, I'm more like five, because we got caught up in COVID. We were a little late with the GT 25. So about five years ago. And that was, help me out. Was that like 1700 bucks for that pistol? That's what I paid for. Okay. Yeah, that's what it was, $1700. If you can find them today, you can still find them for about that price. If they ever, they rarely, rarely show up. Cause I mean, we only made, but 350 of them or something. I think it's one of the better 1911s out there. All the ones that I have experienced and the reports I've gotten from people say they really shoot well. Mine really shoot well. Well, you have one. How does your shoot? I really like it. I think it's great, but I don't have any other ones. So I didn't have anything to compare it to, but that's why I was curious what you thought, how it compared to all the rest of me they have. Okay. I would say, I would put it right up against the three to $4,000 pistol of 1911s being made today. And I think it would hold up very well. I just, I mean, I really liked the pistol. I was really happy. I mean, they were making, just as an example, Ruger said, we can make five of these a day because they had a special team in the plant that made these and they're hand lapping the parts and getting it to fit just right. It's essentially a custom, you know, production custom gun, but handmade by a select team of people. So yeah, the GT 25, I think was one of the best of the gun talk guns. So you're lucky to have gotten one. The only thing you got to do is shoot it more, man. There you go. Do you have time for one more question? Real quick, I got about a minute. Okay. I have an AR that I bought about 10, 15 years ago, and I wanted to upgrade it. And I was just wondering what kind of a barrel would you put on something like that? That would, that would work for like, say, a mass, you know, you were going to shoot it constantly that would last. Are you, honestly, my answer is going to sound weird, but I would say don't change anything. Just keep shooting unless you think the barrel is shot out or something. I'm not, I mean, barrels last a long time and it's really hard to shoot out a two, two, three barrel. I mean, you're talking 5,000 plus rounds, maybe 10,000 rounds. And then when you do, if it's me, I mean, you can spend a ton of money on high end barrels. But unless you're doing competition work, I would probably just buy an average run of the mill barrel and swap it out and just keep on shooting. Now, having said that, I mean, I'm not a competition shooter. You can do in long range stuff and all. Yeah, spend the money. You want that very fine accuracy. But if you're like me, I just like to go to the range and shoot. But I'm just going to get something that throws the rounds. Well, not that. I want it to be accurate, but not, I'm not going to spend crazy money on it. Just, but you know, like I said, you do you. I just want to go to places I want to go and I want to hunt with people I want to hunt with. And I don't care if I pull the trigger, but I'm with you. If there's somebody that's a friend of friends, who's got a kid or somebody that's want to be introduced to the sport, bring them on, baby. I'm absolutely up for that task. I love it. Hey, welcome back to Gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, of course. And you can call us anytime because we'll talk about darn near anything. Give you call it Tom Talk Gun. That's the number. Easy to remember that way, Tom Talk Gun. It is that time of year. We're thinking about spring stuff. Yeah, man. In the fall, we talk about hunting. But you know, a lot of us, not well, pretty much year round. The guy I'm talking with right now, Chris Ellis from Timmy Triggers. I don't know, has you ever stopped hunting, Bernard? Well, I don't tell too many people, especially my employer or my wife from here. But no, yeah, absolutely. I hunt turkey birds. Anytime there's a season and yeah, I'm notorious squirrel hunter, notorious white tail hunter. The reason being, Tom, is I kind of like to eat. Well, you know, I know if somebody calls you and says, Hey, Chris, you want to go on an X, whatever it is, hunt the interest. Well, sure. Let me just check my schedule. Usually it's yes. And then I'll figure out my schedule. Right. Yeah. So yes, sure. We're going to do that. I'll go clear the schedule. Let's go. Absolutely. Exactly. Well, you and I, in a couple of weeks, we're going to be going down to the NRA show. And I thought, well, that's right. And the man with turkey season, maybe I'll stop by Oklahoma on the way down and see if I can't fool one of those Rio turkeys into a shotgun rain. You know, I like the way you think, because for a hunter, for anybody else, they would look that and think, you know, that's not really on the way, Chris. You say, no, no, no, when you're a hunter, you go, yeah, but we can make it on the way because we'll just bend that line a little bit over there. Well, sure. It's least in the right direction. I mean, it's true. It's not next to Maine. We're going to Texas. It's the right part of the country. It's the right part of the country. It's got a few partnering states. Okay. So you'll love this. I, for about the last two weeks, turkey season doesn't open until next week. And, but for the last two weeks, every morning, I step out on my deck, I give a big old hood owl and then I get them goblin because I know where they roost up the hill right behind the house. And then sometimes I'll take my call out and start calling. I'll walk up and down the road behind their house to make them think it's a hen. And I'm just like Dr. Doolittle. I'm out there talking to the animals. I'm having such a good old time. Isn't it fun? It really is. I love, I love to hunt when I can communicate. As I get older, just to be able to communicate with that animal, and I don't care if it's barking to a squirrel or juggling to an elk or yelping to a turkey or whatever. When they respond, I just find that it just sparks joy. It's just, it just adds another dimension to that hunt. I guess duck hunters have known it. Well, Louisiana boys, duck hunters have known that for years and years and years. I'm just going to say, it's funny you say that because I kind of figured out at some point, there's just something extra about it when I can call. And as you say, whether it's an elk or a duck or a goose or a turkey, you got some interaction going back and forth. And I love to hunt elk, you know, in later season, you're not calling them. But if you can get a chance to get out there in the bugling season, it's a whole different thing. Oh, it's so much fun. And you know, they compare turkeys to elk. And I don't know if that's necessarily an apples to apples comparison, but I have been in the elk woods when they're bugling like crazy and very, very active. And I've been in the turkey woods for the last 36 years. And when they're goblin in there, I feel like crazy is a sure heck of a lot of fun. Well, especially if you got them like on different sides of you going off, you're not sure what you're supposed to do with that. I love, I mean, absolutely. I've been afflicted by the wild turkey for, like I said, my 36th season hunting them fall in winter and spring. But yeah, if I get an opportunity, I know it's just, this is, I'm really telling all myself. But yeah, for example, in our ratio in Texas, why not look and see one of those in Oklahoma? We'll swing over there and do. All right. So let's talk about gear because turkey, I mean, I started hunting with Ben Rogers Lee. So there are very few people going to know what I'm talking about, but you do. We're talking, we're talking, all right, you'll love this. One of my favorite quotes from Ben. We're sitting out there just at first light. We're standing on dirt road, right? And he hoots, we hear gobble out over there, you know, he looks at me, says, there's one too many people standing here. In other words, I'm going after this turkey and you're not. Exactly. He doesn't care where you're going. You're just not going to do that. That's right. All right. So that's a long time ago. We got different gear today. I mean, we were basically just taking whatever shotgun we used for waterfowl or anything else. The gear's different and specialized for turkey hunting now. And I don't, you know, don't want to leave out the trigger, but it's basically shooting a shotgun like a rifle. Yeah. It was, I'd have to think back on, I was extremely proud of our customers. They wanted an 870 trigger fix is what they called it back in the day. And you're exactly right. The slug gun hunters, the turkey hunters, and even the trap shooters to some extent, basically what you were doing is trying to squeeze accuracy. It's the same thing we were doing with rifles for years and years. You're just trying to squeeze a little bit more accuracy out of that. If you're going to have a load choke combination and you're going to super tighten that choke up, then you really need that trigger to go boom the same way twice if you want that pattern to hit the same way, especially when people started stretching the boundaries a little bit of turkey hunting on some of the distance, just like long range shooting. When I was going up, if you shot a turkey at 20, 22 yards, that was a long shot. Now you've got these crazy loads and chokes. I mean, it's like what, 60, 70 yards? I guess it just depends on like long range shooting for elk or Western hunting. If you're talented and you've got the time and energy and you can prove that you can do it, go for it. But yeah, for just stretch the barrel to a 30 yard turkey shot or 35, a trigger does matter. And that little trigger, that little 870 fix, all it does is tighten up when that trigger is going to break and make that trigger more repeatable every single time. So you have the muscle memory, turkey hunters, slug gun deer hunters, to when you call for that shot, you've got a good opportunity of hitting right where you've been practicing. You know, you and I have done this for a long time, and it is hard to describe what you're talking about, what the advantage is of a trigger because it's a field thing. And I kind of figured one thing out, the thing, you know, we all talk about, you know, all right, I want to shoot right now. The difference is a really good trigger. It goes off before you can finish the end in now, right? Absolutely. Right and it's gone. It's like you think about it and it's gone. And the difference is everything. It's, you're exactly right. It's more of a mental call than it is because you take all the physical creep and slop and just the nastiness of a bad trigger, you take that out and you get it to where it's down to a muscle memory and it's totally repeatable. It's a little bit of practice. You know exactly when your brain says, I can make that shot that elks at 219 yards, I practice, I can make that shot. It's now a mental decision. And the gun goes follows your brain because you have practice and you have that muscle memory. It's the same thing we've talked about just the past, but the same thing as somebody shooting a free throw over and over or golfers sinking a putt or whatever. That's because they have so much repetition behind them and so much muscle memory that when their brain says, I'm taking the shot, they take the shot and they score. Yep. I got to share a quick story with you. I just got into rifle because I'm crazy about Melbourne 4 of just ultra light arms. I mean, you knew Melbourne. Good old West Virginia guys. I got another one of his and came in at 223 left-handed. Of course, I do that thing the wrong handed. So there you go. And tried to trigger it out and went, oh, man, that's light. Holy smoke. I like light triggers, but that was like, okay, I got to do something about that. And then I remembered, wait a minute, Melvin put Timney triggers in his guns. All I got to do is adjust that. It's a nothing burger. I'll just make that whatever I want it to be. Yep. He's, Melvin used our triggers long, long, long, long, long time ago and always, always insisted that you use a Timney and he understood the quality and Melvin was a dear friend of mine. He taught us a lot to be honest with you because you know, Melvin was way before his time. Oh, he was a savant. He really was. He was. I mean, that new ultra light arms, that super lightweight, you know, I carry him, you carry him. The reason we do is because first of all, they're amazing hunting tool. And second of all, they shoot better than we do. I mean, they just do. But he knew quality and he knew what the customer wanted and he knew what he wanted to put his name on and he was way out in front of this industry. That's just a West Virginia boy that grew up as a shop teacher and just wanted to make the latest lightweight accurate hunting rifle. He did it. I mean, Melvin, I still carry Melvin today. I mean, my Melvin rifle is my go-to. Yeah, yeah, me too. All right, I got to ask you. I'm looking at the website. You're doing these like giveaways. I'm looking at your April giveaway right now. I got an AR trigger. Yeah, it started many, many years ago. And again, we have the best customers in the world. Every manufacturer says they have the best customers in the world, but I'm pretty partial to ours. And one of the things that I thought would kind of be cool and they really, really got behind it was, so every month we just pick a, maybe it's a popular trigger, maybe it's a trigger that people haven't really heard of. It's a new genre or whatever. We just give them a chance to win it. You got our website and there's a little giveaway button there at the top. You push that and, hey, if you like that trigger or you have a gun that you need a trigger for, why not? You know, it's fun. And it's Timney Triggers. It's T-I-M-N-E-Y. If people are trying to figure out how to spell it, T-I-M-N-E-Y. Timney Triggers. And in this case, it's TimneyTriggers.com. All right, so we got that. You got triggers for shotguns. You got triggers for rifles. And you got into the handgun market some years ago and you're really on top of that. Oh, we absolutely, again, our customers asked us to build a competition trigger. We started out with Alpha Competition with Glock Gen 3, 4s. And then they asked us for the Gen 5. And then we expanded that to the Ultimate Builders kit. And we have different colors and shoes. And just whatever our customers want, well, it didn't take them long when Glock introduced a new Gen 6. They wanted to know if Timney would make a replacement trigger, competition trigger for that. And that's been about a month ago, maybe just a touch more. So it's brand spanking new that we came out with that. But yeah, our Alpha Competition series has just been an absolute game changer as far as what our customers asked for and what we've been able with their help to deliver to the market. So we're excited about that. Yeah, I'm thinking about that. And competition shooters, they're kind of like race car drivers. They do the proving ground stuff for us and we get the benefit of it. But they would not be taking their guns apart and putting in replacement triggers unless they felt like a game and advantage. It's really as simple as that. Exactly. Bow hunters, competition shooters, they're all cut from the same thread. If there is any way they can squeak out a little bit of an advantage, a little bit more accuracy or a little bit more yardage, they don't care what hurdle they got to jump over. And if they got to take a gun apart to put a new trigger in it, that's probably well paid for accuracy, right? For competition. Sure. Oh yeah. I mean, a couple of points makes the difference between going home with the trophy and just going home. Absolutely. Me and you, you know, lifelong hunters, we concentrate on a minute of angle of elk or the minute I go of whitetail and don't get me wrong. I mean, we're tightening up our groups as tight as possible because that's how we are. But those competition ladies, men and ladies, they're different. They're different. They are different, right? Absolutely. There's absolutely nothing they wouldn't do to get one more point or one hundredth of a second off their time. And I want to say it's not that the guns being made now have bad triggers. I think actually, factory triggers now are so much better than they were 30 years ago. It's just that even though it's a good trigger, the manufacturers generally can't or don't want to give you a great trigger. Fair enough? Yeah, but you're exactly right. Triggers, well, Tom, you and I have been talking about triggers for over 20 years and we really haven't changed our, you know, our delivery on it. It helps you become more accurate with your firearm. That's it. I mean, there's nothing else besides that. You shoot better. You just shoot better. You shoot better. But to your point, the triggers that are coming on factory guns now and just the barrels and just the factory guns in general, the ammo is better, the technology is better, the way they cut metal nowadays, the way we cut metal nowadays is much better. All that stuff is so much better than it was 20, 30 years ago. And it just keeps getting better. But yeah, replacement trigger, if you need a trigger, replace it. If you don't, don't, right? I mean, if you're actually, you can do that. You're real happy. Here's the problem with that, though, Chris. A lot of people are happy with a situation that they don't know can be a good bit better because they hadn't been exposed to it. I don't know what you do with that. If you've never experienced what a really good trigger can do, you just don't know what you're missing out on. Until you're at a range and try someone else's firearm that has a decent trigger, or until you put a trigger in it and understand your eyes aren't open until they're open. But once you know, you know, you're like me and you. Once you know, you've got to replace the trigger on everything you can. And then, okay, here's the part we don't talk about, and it is the ugly part of this whole thing once you start doing that, you're cursed to become a trigger snob from that point forward. You gladly be called a snob for the first time in your life. You're like, yep, I am officially a tongue-grab trigger snob. You are. I mean, it's like you're thinking, yeah, okay, yeah, that's a nice rifle you got there, guy, but and then quietly you're thinking, bam, at that trigger, holy cow. And it ruined you. The first thing we do, what do we do? We check the action, we try the trigger on a gun. Well, it also, you know, can save you a lot of cash too, because you probably got some guns in your gun cabinet there and your gun safety. They're probably good shooters if they had a trigger, right? So if you're getting a little tighter or whatever, the world's a little tight and you need to, you put good scope on it last year, maybe you put a sling, worked up some hand loads or whatever, but you're still not getting that accuracy or a little bit of cash, you could try a trigger and see if it tightens it up. I'm betting they will. All right. And one last thing I want to say, if you don't know how to put in a trigger, fear not, because the folks at Timney will help you out. You got videos, you got people you can talk to, I mean, you make it possible and even easy. Yeah, 80 years we've been telling people and teach them how to watch triggers matter and how to put them in firearms. We got that down if they need help. I'm going to be at the NRA show. You're going to be over there too, right? Well, absolutely. I'm going to hopefully I'll have some fresh turkey in my check in, but go ahead. There you go. I just want to say, for folks, there are people who are listening who are going to be at the NRA annual meetings in Houston. Be sure to stop by. Are you guys going to have a booth there? Absolutely. Yeah, we'll have our full technical folks there. If you've got any questions, we'll have all our men and women know everything about guns and triggers. Stop by and try to stump the chump and tell us what triggers we should be building. That's the funnest part about the NRA show is learning what we, you know, where all these triggers came from, the 870 and the Glockley, all came from somebody telling us, hey, why don't y'all make a timby for that? Well, I'll go up to Chris and say, hey, I want to show you a picture of my deer, my elk, or my turkey or something, and then you guys can take that turn swapping pictures and showing everybody what you're doing out there shooting. I'd love that. Would make my day. Yeah, if you're a hunter out there, stop by and see me at the NRA show. There you go. Chris Ellis, I appreciate your time. I appreciate your friendship. And you guys make good stuff. I'm just going to tell people I've been using Timmy triggers for 50 years, and I believe in them. I use them. Well, I appreciate that. I've worked for Timmy for 21 now, Tom. Wow. I mean, you've been talking triggers together for 21 years. Isn't that crazy? That is. Oh, the cow. Well, it's good company. You know, it's nice when you work in a place you never have to make any excuses for. I love it. I love it. I love American manufacturing. Love the Second Amendment. I love to hunt. So this is right up my alley. There you go. Look, I will see you in Houston, my friend. I'll be there. I'm looking at the story out of California and had a flashback to when I was growing up. The story is someone may have maliciously caused a huge rodent invasion in California. Subhead is the state's multimillion dollar war on Nutria continues. All right. They got Nutria in California. And they think they came from Oregon. I remember seeing Nutria in Oregon like 25, 30 years ago. I played at a golf course there and saw them swimming around. What's a Nutria? Well, growing up in Louisiana, we're kind of the home of Nutria. It's a 25, 20 to 25 pound rat. Basically, think of a beaver that's cosmetically challenged. It has a skinny tail instead of a flat tail. So it just looks like a rat. And it is. Came from South America. Big old orange teeth, ill tempered things. Well, as a kid, teenager, we lived on a lake. We would go out and hunt frogs, hunt this, hunt that. We decided we would go out and hunt Nutria at night with a bow. And I don't know why, but I decided to use my bow fishing rig. That's the one where you shoot a really heavy solid fiberglass arrow attached to a piece of line that comes back to the bow. Because when you shoot a fish, you could pull it back in. Sure enough, we're going along at night spot lighting this Nutria in a, like a 14 foot John boat. And I shoot this Nutria. Didn't really make good contact with it. Just got it under the skin. And now I am attached by this line to a 25 pound really angry rat. And I'm pulling it in towards the boat and he's splashing and going crazy. And I'm thinking, why? What are we going to do here? But I had thought ahead. You know, when you go to the baseball games and they give out those little tiny souvenir baseball bats. Yeah. I had one of those in the boat. So you can imagine 14 year old time leaning over the side of this boat, having hauled in this 25 pound rat that's just losing its mind because he got stuck by this arrow. And just under the skin, I pulled it in and it's thrashing around. And I'm reaching around with this baseball bat. And I am wailing on this thing. Try to pacify it, if you will. It was, I'm sure if somebody happened to be watching the biggest coat rope you've ever seen. I did survive it. I did conquer and the Nutria bit the dust. People are always trying to figure out how to get rid of Nutria. They tried something in Louisiana many years ago. The marketing on it was a little bit suspect. They decided to market Nutria to restaurants and get the restaurants to serve it as a Louisiana food. But nobody wanted to eat a Nutria. So they rebranded the meat and they titled it Swamp Rabbit. Yeah, nobody was having that either. They were not going to be able to con anybody into thinking that this big rat was a swamp rabbit. And so now you've got actually Sheriff's departments in some parts of the state of Louisiana. They're going around at night spotlighting Nutria, shooting them, getting them off the levees because they dig holes in the levees. And we need the levees for flood protection. And these things are drilling big holes and eroding though. So they're out there, it looks like Zero Dark 30, you know, Seal Team 6 going after Nutria at night with NUDS and Night Vision and everything else. It is great fun, but there is no possibility ever of wiping out Nutria. It's kind of like trying to get rid of the feral hogs now. That ship has sailed and it's not coming back. You can knock down the numbers as best you can, but you're not going to get rid of them. So there you go. There's my Nutria story and that's basically a good glimpse of how I grew up on the water in boats with guns, with bows, with everything else. We skied behind everything, we skied on top of everything. We would turn the top of a ice and it glued cooler upside down and jump on that and ski on that. It was a wacky way to grow up, but boy it was sure fun. Don't go far, we'll be right back. I'm Tom Gresham, glad that you're here.