REMEMBERING: Donna Ingersoll (10 of Clubs, Minnesota)

Whispers in the dark, phenomenon that slip past the logic, legends that refuse to die. When the unknown stirs, its trail leads to our podcast, So Supernatural! I'm Yvette Gentile. And I'm her sister, Roshepekarero. Together, we explore all of the world's most bizarre mysteries. Listen to So Supernatural every Friday, wherever you get your podcast. Hi everyone. The deck is off this week for the holidays, but don't worry, I never leave you hanging. There is another story from a cold case playing card that's coming to you from maybe an unexpected place. Fellow audio chug host and investigative reporter Delia DeAmbra has just released a new episode of Park Predators about a case that appears on the Kentucky State Police Deck. And that's the case of Jennifer Bailey, the Ace of Hearts from Kentucky. Jennifer Bailey never came home in 1990 after running errands. And after discovering the car she was driving at nearby Pine Mountain State Resort Park, investigators focused their search in that area. Here's a sneak peek of that episode. By the end of the day on August 29th, 13 days after Jennifer disappeared, the medical examiner officially ruled that the body from the park was the missing 21-year-old. The forensic anthropologist who'd come in to help the state police had compared Jennifer's dental records to the corpse and confirmed they were a match. Unfortunately, possibly due to the condition of her body when she was found, it was difficult for officials to determine her cause of death right away. What investigators were fairly confident of though was that whoever had done this to Jennifer had gone to some links to conceal her from view. The available source material states that when she was found, it appeared she'd been pushed down the embankment into the wooded ravine and then partially covered in vegetation. Which, to me, are two indications that whoever murdered her did not want her to be found. You can hear Jennifer Bailey's full story right now over on Park Predators. You can find Park Predators wherever you get your podcasts. And in the meantime, I want to resurface a case that we covered back in 2022, because it is one that always crosses my mind around the holidays. 35 years ago, Donna Ingersoll disappeared on a cold, snowy December night, never to be seen again. But authorities in small town, Minnesota, have never given up on finding Donna or the truth behind what happened to her. Our card this week is Donna Ingersoll, the 10 of clubs from Minnesota. I'm Ashley Flowers and this is The Deck. It was 2012 and Jim Warren had just been appointed police chief of Wabasha, a rural Minnesota city hugging the Mississippi River and the Wisconsin border. It's a tiny community like population 2500 ripe with small town charm where everyone knows each other. And aside from some issues with drug crimes and petty theft, not much ever goes wrong, except for one cold night in 1990 when one of its residents vanished without a trace. The woman's name was Donna and her case had been haunting chief Warren for years. He actually reviewed the case back when he was a detective in 2006, helping the then police chief get Donna's story on social media. And the details of her case stuck with him. So much so that now that he was chief, one of his first priorities was doing everything he could to warm up Donna's hopelessly cold case. But before making any investigative steps, Chief Warren wanted to form a cold case board to go over the two decades worth of records and documents with a fine toothed comb. Not only to familiarize themselves with the case, but also to see if the initial investigators missed anything or if there was something they could poke holes in. This was the timeline that they sorted out. Right around 11.45 pm on December 16, 1990, the Wabasha County office got a call from a 33 year old man named Gary Murphy, who said that his girlfriend Donna was missing. He said that they'd gotten into an argument an hour or so prior during a get together at a friend's house in downtown Wabasha. He said that she got so mad that she stormed outside into the cold and snow leaving behind her car and purse. And she hadn't come back. Police reports didn't make it seem like there was a sense of urgency about her disappearance yet. After all, Donna was 25 years old. She could simply not return after an argument if she wanted to. Chief Warren told our reporting team that since Gary didn't mention anything about finding signs of foul play, authorities probably wanted to wait it out and to see if she would come back. Back then it was common if you called in and said, hey, we have someone missing. Well, technically if you're an adult, you can be missing. And it's on how the collar states what kind of issues they're dealing with. But Gary ended up calling again about 15 minutes later around midnight. And this time a deputy responded to the friend's house to see if they could find any signs of foul play or anything worrisome. Just like Gary had said, they found Donna's car sitting in the driveway. Her purse still inside of it. But those weren't the only things that Donna had left behind. Gary also handed the deputy a lens that he said was from Donna's eye glasses, like just one lens. The deputy asked Gary why just the one lens and Gary said it must have fallen out. And right away, this probably should have been pretty concerning because it either meant that Donna was out in the freezing snowy night without full use of her glasses or maybe without them entirely. And I know that she probably wouldn't want to be far away from them for too long. I think she could make out objects and stuff like that and she could make her way, but I mean, she could still see but not well. Now, I don't know how glasses worked in 1990, but to me, this is also a sign that maybe something bad happens. Like, I don't see lenses just falling out randomly. But for some reason, the fact that there was only one lens and the fact that many of Donna's most important belongings were left behind didn't raise any red flags for the deputy. He seemed to think that Donna was probably fine and would just return on her own. But night turned to morning and still there was no sign of her. So Gary called the sheriff's office yet again. But police reports from the time he could seem like authorities still wanted to wait it out a little bit longer before launching an investigation. Even as Monday faded into Tuesday, many people still weren't too concerned. They figured she'd just gone to one of the nearby stores or a downtown bar. But there might actually be a possible reason that so many people, including law enforcement, thought this. It was known that she'd do that. Even family members said there was times where she'd get mad and you wouldn't hear for her for a day or two. Drop off the map basically for a day or two of she was mad. I did read that in the reports. I think one time I read that there was, she had gotten an argument and I don't know how some friends near the airport and then came back and everything was fine. And she had a history of that as well. And I can only speculate being me back then with the same technologies and the same way you respond to calls. That's what their thought would have been because she had done this before. And you never want to rush into something, especially if you're a doctor. You have every right to go anywhere you'd like. But there was no caveat to this. But Tuesday went by with no word from Donna. So by the time Wednesday the 19th rolled around, authorities and Donna's loved ones made the call to file a report and have Donna officially labeled a missing person. With that, the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension got involved. Now, in a lot of cases that I've talked about like Dale Williams, Darwin Vest and Shelton Sanders, once the missing person's report is officially filed, the investigation kind of takes off. But that wasn't really the case with Donna. Even with the report filed, not much was done. Everyone was just waiting for Donna to call a appearance and say that she was okay or just come walking through the door at any moment with a story about where she'd been. But as the days passed, people started wondering if something terrible had happened to her. Like maybe she'd fallen into the nearby Mississippi River and froze to death or drowned. So finally, on December 21st, this is five days since Donna was last seen in two days since she was reported missing. This is when authorities set out on their first search. And they went all out, maybe trying to make up for lost time. Local fire departments and search and rescue dogs did ground searches in the area. And the Minneapolis helicopter flew in to do an aerial search. They didn't find anything. Police also sent out a release to the press about Donna's disappearance. And they finally sat down for interviews with four critical people to this case. Those who were there that night at the get together. That was Donna's boyfriend Gary. Gary's ex-girlfriend, who was the mother of his child. Her name's Colleen Harwick. Gary and Colleen's preschool age child, who we're going to call Adam. And Colleen's current boyfriend, Chuck Darnell. So again, that's Gary, Gary's ex, their kid, and Gary's ex's current boyfriend. So Gary was interviewed first. And here's what he said happened. On the evening of Sunday, December 16, he and Donna made the 20-something minute drive from the home that they shared in plain view to Colleen's house in Wabashaw to drop his son Adam back off after a weekend visit. And when they arrived, Colleen invited him and Donna in for drinks and they accepted. Things were going well. They were all drinking, having a good time, until sometime between 10 and 11 p.m. That's when he and Donna got into an argument. It's not super clear what the argument was about, but it seemed like it had something to do with the fact that Gary used to date Colleen. Well, she wasn't mad until they started to enjoy the evening and have cocktails and then they came up. And that's where she got irritated. And you know, I can't imagine being there and then having cocktails and then maybe they were being, you know, baddie-eyed and flirtatious. I don't know. I wasn't there, but that's what I'm reading is what happened and she became upset over it. Gary said that the argument got heated and even physical at one point. He told investigators that he ended up pushing Donna and that was kind of the final straw for her. After that, she stormed off into the kitchen area. Gary says that he took a moment to cool off and then he went to go talk to her, but she wasn't in the kitchen. According to an interview Gary did with Winona Daley News, that's when his preschool aged son told him that he saw Donna walk out the door. So Gary walked outside to find her, but he didn't see her anywhere. He noticed that her 82 Pontiac Bonneville was still in the driveway and when he looked inside of it he saw her purse was sitting there, which meant that she probably wouldn't have gone too far. Gary told Winona Daley News, quote, I went out and looked in the alley around the house anywhere I could look. I looked under trees, anything. End quote. Now remember, it was snowing that night, but Gary didn't mention seeing any footprints or anything indicating where she'd gone. By the time 1145 rolled around with no signs of Donna, Gary decided it was time to call the authorities. He was especially worried about his girlfriend because he told police that she wasn't dressed for the freezing temperature in the snow. And so that was Gary's story. Next, police talked with Chuck, who actually didn't have anything to offer. He said that he was passed out on the couch from drinking too much when all this went down and he didn't remember a thing. And like Chuck, Colleen didn't have much to say. She told investigators that she was upstairs and didn't see anything. Please even try talking to Adam, the preschooler, but he couldn't really tell them anything either. All investigators had was Gary statement and a woman who had vanished without a trace. Hi everyone. Ashley here was some exciting news. The deck will not only land right here in your feed for you to listen to every week, but now we are also on camera for you to watch on you too. Now you can see the cards, the case files, and the people behind the coldest cases as I share these stories with you. So no matter where you get your podcasts, whether you prefer to listen to watch or maybe both, I will be there with stories you need to hear. Join me for the deck on YouTube. Subscribe to AudioChuck Investigates on YouTube today. On December 26th, then Wabishaw Police Chief Dave Krueger told Winona Daily News flat out that foul play was not suspected. But it was clear that people in the community were losing hope that she would be found alive. Local newspapers documented rumors that were flying around about Donna's disappearance as the weeks and months passed by with no sign of her. Some people were saying that she'd been found dead in the Zumbro River, a tributary of the Mississippi River on the outskirts of Wabishaw. Other people were gossiping that she'd been found murdered and sexually assaulted in a park. Still, others claimed that they'd seen her alive at local bars. A psychic even came forward and said that they had a vision of Donna's body floating in the Mississippi river. But even though all of the talk going around town was nothing more than unsubstantiated gossip, it still bothered Donna's mom Phyllis. She knew that Donna wouldn't have gone this long without calling if she was okay. She certainly wouldn't have left her beloved car behind. But the thought of her daughter dead somewhere was more than Phyllis could bear. Donna's best friend Mary Klein agreed that vanishing with no word like this was super unlike the Donna that she knew. Mary was also quoted in the Winona Daily News saying that something had to have happened to Donna for her to just disappear like this. She thought maybe she'd drank too much alcohol and had become disoriented? That mixed with the fact that she didn't have her glasses maybe she walked into the Mississippi river. But not everyone agreed with Mary. In that same article, Gary said that he thought Donna was still alive. He knew she was drinking pretty heavily that night, but he said that she wasn't like a sloppy drunk or anything. And certainly not incoherent enough to put herself in danger of drowning in the Mississippi river. He said quote, who the hell would walk into the river when it's freezing out? Instead, Gary had his own theory about what happened. He thought Donna ran away, perhaps with another man. Despite Donna's family growing less hopeful that she'd turn up alive, they put out one last desperate plea. In that same Winona Daily News article, Donna sister Christina said quote, we just want Donna to know she should call us and that we love her. End quote. It took until March 1991 for investigators to really begin to consider the possibility that Donna was the victim of a crime. Three months after Donna vanished, then Chief Krueger told the star tribune that there were three possibilities. She got disoriented and wandered into rough terrain and died there. She hitched a ride somewhere or she was the victim of foul play. But with no evidence or clue, investigators were stuck, still not knowing if they had a crime on their hands. Donna's case remained at a standstill for the coming months and things were only further frustrated in July when Gary died by suicide. Since Gary was the last person to see Donna that December night, his death was a huge blow to the investigation. If there was anything that Gary had neglected to tell police about the night she vanished, that information died with him. And it left the community wondering what led to Gary making such a decision. Was he driven by a shattered heart or a guilty conscience? There were plenty of people who truly didn't think Gary had anything to do with Donna's disappearance. Her best friend Mary told Winona Daily News that she didn't think Gary would ever hurt Donna. She said, quote, she would always talk about him. I think she loved him and he really loved her. And quote, Mary also noted that Gary and Donna had big plans for their future, such as possibly publishing a children's book that they have been writing together before she disappeared. After Gary's death, Donna's case went ice cold. There were a few tips here and there, supposed sightings and such, but nothing that ever panned out. The next big push in her case didn't come until 2006 when authorities tried using social media to get her story out there, but that didn't really amount to anything noteworthy either. So when Chief Warren's cold case board finished reviewing Donna's case in 2012, they were ready to make some big moves. Two decades was far too long for any case to sit essentially stagnant like that. And once word got out that the police department was re-examining Donna's case, tips actually came flooding in. They got a psychic tip that Donna was in a wooded area well lit by the moon, but they also got another psychic tip that was more specific and easier to investigate. The tips to say that they felt Donna was behind the National Guard Post in Wabusha along Highway 61. Now this tip was interesting because Chief Warren was already thinking about searching that area. He basically took this tip as the push he needed to get a search in motion. He called in volunteers from the Community United effort or Q, Center for Missing Persons. He wanted to search not only the area behind the National Guard building, but also a nearby pond. Since the people from the Q Center were volunteers, he only had them in Wabusha for the weekend, so they got busy. Volunteers and cadaver dogs searched the National Guard Armory area, but they found nothing. And just as they were about to move on to that nearby pond, police got another tip. We're getting closer to that body of water. Someone had called in a tip and said that they found what they believed to be a monkey skull on Highway 42, and that's just down the road here about four miles up on the hill. So where it came to me and I made a major reaction call and suspended everything going on in Wabusha and sent everybody up to this area where this skull was found. Listen, I know what you're thinking. A monkey skull in Minnesota? And just to save you a Google search, no monkeys are not native to Minnesota or even North America for that matter. So why this tipster would assume it was a monkey skull when they found it? I truly do not have the slightest clue. Chief Warren was also super baffled by this when he got the tip. For good reason, he assumed the quote-unquote monkey skull was probably human, maybe even donnice. So like Chief Warren said, he asked everyone to go to the farm where it was found, not only to collect the skull, but also to search the area for any other remains. But here's the thing. When he got to the farm, he was told there had been a misunderstanding. The tipster said that they didn't actually have the skull with them anymore. They hadn't even found it recently. They found it back in the early 90s, and since they just assumed, again, that it was a monkey skull, they didn't report it back then. And then get this. After they found it, they ended up just tossing it into their manure spreader and spreading it all across their fields. You heard that right. That skull had been completely destroyed years ago and was now fertilizing their fields. I felt kind of awkward at the time. I tried to hold back my, some of my reactions because I didn't understand all that could happen, but that wasn't their fault. It's mine for suspending what's going on. So what I did was, as I pulled everybody up on that hillside, and we searched two areas of farmland that are about 100 acres, and cadaver dogs had a couple hits, but we took what we found, and nothing ever came back to being human bone. I'll be honest. When I first heard that this tipster found a human-like skull and then proceeded to completely destroy it, a alarm bell started going off in my head. Like, saying that suspicious is the understatement of the century. But Chief Warren told our reporting team that he doesn't see it that way. For one, they didn't think it was anything that what perked their interest was all this stuff going on. Years later, you know what? Remember when I found that? Yeah, column, and that's what happened. No offense to them. I mean, we're in a rural area and farming is pretty big in Minnesota, and a lot of things going to those spreaders and they get spread, and they didn't think not love it, but then years later, they were trying to help by saying, hey, we found this back then, we thought it was a, but it wasn't. Well, then again, I don't know what age bracket this person was, and I don't have a name, but I know that they meant well, their intentions meant well. After the devastation of that dead end tip, Chief Warren said that he kind of took a step back, and realized that the investigation had gotten too big for their small agency to handle. It just got blown out of the water, and it got too big too quick. It's hard to control, it was like a wildfire. So to contain it, we shut some things down, just so things didn't get overblown, and then you know, you have psychics calling, and because this just had to blew up, and then they're calling and saying, well, she could be here, and I took every single tip as if it were happening, but we're so small we got overrun, we couldn't handle it. So we had to shut it down. Chief Warren wanted to return to that pond that they nearly searched before getting the skull tip, but the timing with the cue center didn't work out, and it wasn't clear when it ever would. But even though there was a pause on the large-scale searches and the investigative efforts for now, that didn't stop Chief Warren from quietly mulling over the case and looking into his long-held theory about what really happened to Donna. Hi everyone, Ashley here with some exciting news. The deck will not only land right here in your feed for you to listen to every week, but now we are also on camera for you to watch on YouTube. Now you can see the cards, the case files, and the people behind the coldest cases as I share these stories with you. So no matter where you get your podcasts, whether you prefer to listen, to watch, or maybe both, I will be there with stories you need to hear. Join me for the deck on YouTube. Subscribe to AudioChuck Investigates on YouTube today. I've been saying it from the get go, I don't believe Chevrolet the house. I'll just tell you what I think happened, and hopefully I don't get criticized too much for it, but my theory is I had that argument, and I think Gary Schobder, like you said he did, and I think it's easy as her hitting her head on the side of the table or the floor and killed her. He freaked out. And Chief Warren's theory wasn't coming from out of left field. He'd actually received a few tips from some of Colleen's old neighbors that she'd gotten a lot of cement delivered to her house just two days after Donna went missing. So I checked the records, of course they had some work they're done from the cement company, and I'm like what the heck? Making things even more suspicious was the fact that there was no record of Colleen hiring anyone to do the cement work. She just had the cement delivered to her house. And there was still one more thing supporting Chief Warren's theory. The fact that one of Donna's eyeglass lenses was found at Colleen's house. He found it hard to believe that she would just run out the door into the night without her glasses fully working or intact. So in 2013, armed with a hunch and a little bit of evidence, Chief Warren decided to see if he could prove his suspicion that Donna never left the house and was buried somewhere in the basement. Now obviously a hunch, no matter how strong, isn't probable cause. So Chief Warren knew he wouldn't be able to get a search warrant. And instead, he needed to get the current homeowners permission to search the basement. Colleen no longer owned the house, but one of her relatives did. Understandably, Chief Warren was worried that the relative wouldn't welcome into their home a search team that might prove their family member helped cover up a homicide. But to his surprise, they okayed the search. Like I mentioned earlier, Wabasha is a small rural city, so they didn't have all the resources, like a large metropolitan police department might have. And they certainly weren't equipped to do a scan of a cement basement all by themselves. So Chief Warren called in reinforcements. We brought a team in. It was a nonprofit out of Wisconsin with a floor scanner and some cadaver dogs and some screens that we could sift dirt on. So what we did was we drilled bore holes. First of all, we scanned the entire basement. Well, not the entire basement, but we scanned it. And we took some tests with the homeowners permission that we'd fix anything that we disturbed. We finished our testing and we left. Chief Warren wasn't sure when he would get the result of those tests back, so he waited patiently and waited and eventually he got tired of waiting. So I called. I want to see that floor scan because there's a portion of that basement that wasn't done by this nonprofit, right? So I called the place and I won't say names because it's not right for me to point fingers, but they said, well, we don't save that data. And I said, well, but I never saw the data. You heard that right. The nonprofit didn't save the data of the scan, but they also never bothered to tell Chief Warren what was found with the scan, if anything. So all of that hard work, all of those results were just completely gone. I was professionally disappointed that I was on that and didn't know that I didn't get to see the data. Talk about having dreams about it even. I mean, you worked so hard on something. I didn't know they didn't save that data, but that's how you learn. Chief Warren said that even if he had gotten the results back, he's not sure that they would have been what he was hoping for because they didn't get to examine the entirety of the basement. The basement theory is one that he continued holding on to. Even after leaving the Wabishaw Police Department in the fall of 2015 to become the Chief Deputy at the Wabishaw County Sheriff's Office, but when he left the police department, he didn't want to leave Don his case behind, especially considering that the Sheriff's Office had more resources at their fingertips than the police department did. So I wasn't doing it to, hey, I want to keep this for me. I was doing it saying, hey, we're going to ride with this because we have more resources. And you know, instead of just you working on it, let's all work on it. Since 2015, there hasn't been much movement in Don his case, but that doesn't mean it's sitting on a shelf just collecting dust. Even when there have been lulls, Chief Deputy Warren has been thumbing through the case file, hoping something new will pop out at him with each read through. He's also actively planning to return to Colleen's old home, which by the way is still owned by that same relative. He wants to retest the basement for human remains. So sometimes soon when I get permission, I do plan on going back and having ground zero completely done so I can tell the residents I won't be back who satisfied nothing's here, but I can't say that right now because that's, I still believe that. Sometimes some things aren't as far as a way as you think they're, you know what I mean? And if it ends up that way then it's going to be balanced. This time, instead of using a non-profit for the testing, he is bringing in the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, who have more tools at their disposal. Well, they have the ground penetrating radar that got better since the last time I used it, they have forensic testing they can do on the underfloor of that house. Even today they can do that and they can do that and they can do that and see the blue if they like, but it would be different to see, well, just put this way, they have more things that they're disposal than I ever thought even existed and we don't have that type of technology. We asked Chief Deputy Warren if he's worried that the first search scared someone who might have knowledge of the case and if Donna really was buried down there in the basement, maybe they dug her up and moved her. But he's confident that's not the case. Wabasha is a small city and Colleen's old house is located on one of the main roads, so he thinks that someone would have definitely seen something suspicious. Chief Deputy Warren remains hopeful that future testing will yield results to confirm his theory, and he told our reporting team that a very recent conversation with a key person in the case has him more confident than ever that it will, but he didn't want to elaborate on who that person was or what they said so as to protect the integrity of the investigation. We asked him if the next search of the basement doesn't show any sign of Donna, what else does he think could have happened to her? If she truly did, storm out of the house that cold December night. What else, what happened? As easy as leaving the house walking down the 60s, getting a truck with a trucker or something. He also thinks it's possible that she was dumped in that nearby pond that he wanted to search with the Q Center back in 2012 and it's actually something he still wants to search. With technology comes better equipment and I think maybe we could have a search of that pond done the ones well, it's so murky, you can't see nothing well, but maybe the technology can if on the Titanic, why not? Chief Deputy Warren also said that both Colleen and Chuck are still alive and he wants to re-interview them soon, hoping that maybe just maybe they hold the key to solving a case that has haunted Wabusha since 1990. For more than 30 years, Donna's family and friends have been left wondering what happened to her. They deserve closure and Donna deserves justice. If you have any information about the 1990 disappearance of Donna Ingersol, please contact Chief Deputy Jim Warren at the Wabusha County Sheriff's Office at 651-565-3361, or you can email him at jwarrenwarr.com at co.wabusha.mn.us. We'll have all of that in the show notes. Donna was 411 and about 106 pounds when she vanished. She has blonde hair and green or hazel eyes and was last seen wearing boots and blue jeans. The Deck is an audio truck production with be music by Ryan Lewis to learn more about the Deck and our advocacy work. Visit thedeckpodcast.com. I think Chuck would approve. Hi everyone, Ashley Flowers here. If you're like me, diving into true crime is about more than just the details of a case. It is also about giving a voice to the victims and understanding the lives behind the headlines. And this is what host Kylie Lo does each week on her podcast Dark Down East. Every Thursday, Kylie dives into New England's most gripping mysteries, uncovering stories in a way you won't hear anywhere else. And she digs through archives, connects with families and shines a light on the voices that deserve to be heard. From cold cases to moments of long awaited justice, Dark Down East is the perfect blend of investigations and honoring the stories behind them. You can find Dark Down East now wherever you're listening.