28 YEARS LATER: THE BONE TEMPLE with Dan Lippert

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I can't wait to talk about it. It's been a moment. She was just saying, when is the movie going to make me float? And here we are. Oh, it's absolutely spectacular. But we're not going to talk about that just yet. But if you want to get straight to it, there are timestamps in the show notes because first I have to ask my beautiful co-hosts, did anything scary happen to you guys this week? I have a real quick thing which I almost texted you guys about and then didn't. So I could tell you on the podcast. Which I literally never remember to do. So I'm proud of myself for remembering to do that. But a few nights ago, we put me in silenced to bed. It had been like a long day. Finally put them to bed. Literally like left the room, went downstairs, started cleaning up the kitchen. It's like 8.30 at night and the fire alarm goes off. No. All like so blaring, blaring loud, lights flashing. We live in a historic home that's like, I don't know, on the preservation committee. I don't know what you call it. So the fire would be extra, really caution. Right. And so when the fire alarm goes off, the fire department comes no matter what. No matter what the fire department comes. So we had to go upstairs and I like obviously Silas is awake and like a little freaked out. But I'm like, it's going to be so fun. Firemen are going to get. Well, first of all, I was like, is there a fire? Yeah, like that was my first thought was like, oh my God, is there a fire? Is there an actual fire? You want to cross that off the list for sure. And that was that was actually really freaking me out because I did kind of smell something coming from our neighbor's apartment. So I was like, is there like an actual fire that we need to like get out and mainly bring them outside right now? It's negative five degrees outside. It's fucking cold here right now. But along storage, we like texted with our neighbors and they said that they had just set off the smoke alarm. Cooking some food, cooking a steak, which is exactly how this is exactly how Tim did it like a year ago. He did the exact same thing. But anyway, so we go upstairs to get Silas. Silas is like excited, but scared. And we go outside to like watch the fire department come. May is completely asleep, even with like the fire alarm blasting the lights flashing. She is out and Tim literally goes, may, may, may, do you want to get up or you want to keep sleeping? And she's like, quib quib, like leave me alone in my crib. So we have the monitor on her. We're making sure she's OK. We're outside waiting for the fire people to come. They come. First of all, firemen, are they giants? Are they there? Their gear makes them taller. They gear makes them taller. Truly, though, are they wearing ten inch heels under their boots? So the boots are big and tall and the helmets are tall, Henley. They are ginormous. They're ginormous human beings. They come into like Silas's in awe, like mouth on the ground, you know, jaw totally open. And they have to, like, you know, check the premises. They come into our apartment. Somebody left a baby upstairs. And then they then they have to go into Silas and May's room. And May is just may just sleep through the whole thing. While these giant men in a huge tactical gear, she's like, she's like out, out, completely asleep. I was so impressed. I mean, damn. But anyway, yes, that was that was our exciting. That was our exciting event as we had the fire department come to our house at night. And I was honestly thrilled. I thought it was so much fun. I was like, wow, it's exciting. You know, excitement. Yeah. Anyway, and also just very impressed with me. That was a big event. She takes after one of her godmothers. Just sleep, sleep through anything. Sammy, can you sleep through anything? I do. Unless kind of like when Tim whispered in her ear, there's like certain things that I'll wake up to that are very quiet. Like if one of my cats meows in the other room, I'll wake up and be like, are they OK? Oh. But yeah, I couldn't sleep through quite a lot. Wow. That also reminded me. It just makes me laugh that I used to in my old apartment when I would be cooking something poorly and it was producing a lot of smoke. It would float up into my upstairs neighbor's house and set off his fire alarm instead of mine. And so I would just hear the fire alarm going off up there and him going, what the fuck? Like. I'm so. I'm sure like that was me. I know our neighbors felt really they were they felt really bad. But I was like, honestly, this is making Silas's night. It did take a long time. It did take a while for him to go back to sleep. Sure. Sure. All the adrenaline. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. What about you guys? How was your week? I mean, I guess the scary thing that happened to me this week is I discovered some new music that I'm going to recommend. Wow. Emily, who are you? I don't know. Crazy. I don't know. I don't know. And to be fair, discovered is really giving me a lot of credit. It my favorite bartender is a musician and I've known this for a little while, but I don't care for music. So I've never looked into it, but we saw her on Thursday night and she one of her songs just got placed in an upcoming TV show. We were talking about that. She's really excited. And I was like, you know, now that it's been validated, I'll listen to her music. But because I'm also, you know, I'm like, I'm feeling things again. I'm interested in movies. I'm maybe I'm interested in music. It's a whole new world for me. So I listened to it and I love it and it's so good. And I am a big fan. And what's her name? Drop the deets. Her name is Penny O'Brien. She is Irish. So wow. Wow. The band is O'Gretta. One word O'Gretta. And it's just like my favorite song is shirts and hopes. And it's like, it's just as one album out, a shorty little and a couple of like singles, but it's like 30, 30 minutes. Easy listen. It's the kind of, it's like, it really actually, I really want you to listen to it and tell me what it reminds you of because it's really like pinging something nostalgic. I mean, but I can't have my finger on it because I don't know enough music. I'm gonna listen after this. I'm so excited. It's that kind of voice that's like, oh, it just, it's like powerful, but easy, you know, powerful, but easy. Right. Like, you're so confident. It just comes out of her. It just comes out of her. People with voices like that, they're not even trying. No strain. It's like, it's like moody in your feels music, but also you're like dancing around your room. It's like that thing you kind of just put on and like kind of just move your arms around like that's the vibe. I just really love it. And I want people to listen to her music. She's also really cool. And again, my favorite bartender. Wait, okay. This is important. Again, Irish. And again, Irish. Emily, first of all, this is the coolest way to find new music. It's your favorite bartender. Like, come on. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I'm also like everybody. Well, I don't, I wanted to be successful, but not so successful that she stopped being my bartender. Maybe she keeps doing it for fun for her on the side. But this is important because since we can't be on TikTok anymore, exactly, I really need to discover things in the world. We, people need to be bringing music to my attention directly. I don't know how else I'm going to find new music. Listen to it. Tell me what it reminds you of. I'm counting on you. Okay. After this. So everything's changing, I guess. It's what's scary. Wow. Nothing stays the same. Speaking of everything changing, mine is very quick and stupid, but pillow, my trusted pillows, it's just stopped working. So this happens to me like once every year or two, where it's just like my sleeping situation that has worked perfectly. Just all of a sudden doesn't work anymore. And now I'm waking up every morning in pain and I have to like be buying a new pillow again and it like sends me spiraling. Like, well, I don't know what I need. I thought I knew and now I don't know anything and everything's all up in the air again. Literally, same you last night as we were going to bed, I said to Tim, I said one day, one day I will have pillows I like. It's actually completely impossible. One day. It's completely impossible. I know what pillows I don't like, but I could not tell you what I like. Every pillow I own, I hate. I hate every single one. Emily, what's that one that you liked? Or that? Look, I'm not going to go so far as to recommend it. Yeah, don't do it. I have a Koop pillow co-op, Koop, Koop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, I like it. Do I love it? Do I think it's the pillow? The internet told me it would be. Mm. I don't know. Fuck. I don't know. But maybe it's for you. It's fucking impossible. And I'm so sorry. But if you find an answer, please stop. I just hate this endless cycle. It's awful. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to buy an industrial grade bag of feathers and my own pillowcases. Okay. I'm just going to start making my own pillows. What if the whole bed is just feathers? Instead of a pillow? Like a huge beanbag type of thing, but feather bag. OK, sure. Try it. Sure. Just spitball in here. I don't know. I'll do it. Like I said, everything. What if the bed were shaped with like a little neck nook? Or like when you would go to the beach and like dig a little. Just like when you would go to the beach. To lay your towel over when you're in kid. We just we just watched Fantasia, the OG Fantasia. And I don't know when the last time you guys saw that was, but Zeus. Too scary. Zeus is Zeus is up there on a cloud, making a cloud look very comfortable as a bed would love to get in on what Zeus was doing in that movie. I want to get in on what Zeus is doing. Fast of luck to you. It's and it sucks because it's also something that like recommendations actually don't really matter that much because everybody's I don't have your body. Yeah. Yeah. And so there's just so many variables and, you know, we just may never know the true answer for ourselves or for anybody else. And even if we do find it, it might change. And that's it's really scary. It's a really scary thing. So it's nice to have friends who support me through these dark times. Yeah. And how do I tie this to floating? I'll say maybe you never need to sleep again. I never need to lay down again. I'm just floating through the air forever because this week we are talking about 28 years later, the Bone Temple came out just this past month, January, 2026, directed by Nia Dacosta, written by Alex Garland, starring Jack O'Connell, Alfie Williams, Chai Lewis Perry, Aaron Kelleyman and Rafe Fiennes. And we are joined again by our 28 days later franchise expert slash correspondent, Dan Lippert. Welcome back. Hi. Hello. And Shlom and hello. Yes, your standard greeting. How come sometimes it's like you've never been a human before? You just start talking and it's like. How come sometimes? Yeah. Oh, that's what I just said, huh? It's thematic for the movie, actually. Nice. Yeah. Hell yeah. Hey, Dan. Dan, did you feel the same way as Sammy about where you're floating around the room after you saw this? There is a scene in the movie that is a float scene for sure. Yeah. Wow. I think I tried to come in with managed expectations, but it still didn't reach maybe my secret really high expectations. Got it, got it. And yet there's a scene in this movie that's more memorable than any scene you'll see in any movie. It's so good. OK, I know what you're talking about. I am very eager to get into this and I have further pin pin in that for you, Dan, because first we do need to know if anything scary happened to you this week. OK, great. You know, I was remembering, I think the last time I did this was the last time my heart was going crazy and we were talking about drinking matcha. Yes. You remember this? That's right. Yes. I've come full circle. It started happening again a couple weeks ago. I got a cold. Can't be related to anything going on in the world. I know. I feel like. Do you think it's our fault? It might be us. It's like every time right after Emily texted me every time we're a few weeks in the future. I think actually this is about me. Can we make this about me? Can we make it about me? Dan, I'm so sorry. Really. It's OK. I think I'm that's not even my big scary that what it is. I don't know how we kind of talked about it. Have you guys ever had just a crazy heart heartbeat heart palpitations? I actually had it. You feel your heart once recently. Yes. We're just kind of out of nowhere. I very much felt my heart beating just for a couple seconds and then it went away and it hasn't happened again. But a really unsettling feeling. It's insane. It would happen to me when I would do, would have to speak publicly or like present anything at work. I would like my I would I mean I would took beta blockers eventually obviously. But before I discovered beta blockers, yeah, that feeling of your heart just being like out of control in your chest is. Horrible. It's like everyone's it's nonstop when I get it and every once in a while it's like, well, I guess I'm dying. I guess I'm dead. I guess that's just the feeling. But it's like the worst part is like I got to go to the doctor. Yeah. And then I got to get blood tests and then I got to get that message. It's like your test results are in. And then I got to read the message and try to Google what it all says. Yeah. And then I got to like find out I'm fine and then I got to be humiliated or I got to go see another doctor. Yeah. It's like you're either fine and humiliated those go hand in hand or something is really wrong. We're just like, well, you don't want either of those things. No, I don't. There's no winning. What you want is for them to say, oh, I see her that something was happening. And now you're fine. That's what I want out of every job. You're not crazy. But now you're actually totally fine. And you're going to live forever. Is that too much to ask? And you're going to live forever. Well, I don't want that, but no, not forever, but just as long as you want, you're going to live until you're going to live as long as you want to stop living. Yeah. The whole like you have to see a doctor to then go get referred to go get a test to then wait on the test results to then have a follow up about the. It's like, it's really. It's very tedious and discouraging. I, I, I, uh, this is a total new thought. I was going to say it like I was responding to you, Emily. And then I realized it's a total new thought. Great. So have you ever considered sleeping on the floor? Wow. Hmm. Like a dog. Like it, like the dog you are. You know, I'll be honest that I haven't, I haven't actually considered that. Is that something I should consider? I have back and neck pain and it's, it's coming to that for me where it's like, okay, well, clearly none of this is working. Right. Have you slept on the floor or you're just considering it? No, no purpose. I'm good. I keep thinking about getting a, a like a tatami, like one of those like Japanese mats. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Give it a try. You can just to lie down on the floor as a powerful feeling, just to like lie down on your, with your back on the floor. Like it's like, oh, this is how my body is supposed to be arranged. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Instead it's arranged like a little shrunken shrimp all the time. Just like curled in on itself. Like, yeah. It's like, uh, it's the best part of yoga. It is. Yeah. Yeah. It's the best part of yoga. Shavasana. It does feel correct when I, but I can't lie like that in a bed. I was going to say, yeah, I don't, I don't awful, but on the ground I can do it. I don't sleep on my back, but me neither. Maybe, maybe that's not a problem. It's still on the floor. It might get you to do it. I might get you to do it. I think we are supposed to sleep on our backs. I mean, yeah, I think we're at the, at the point of, of experimenting, trying new things. So like I said, everything's back on the table. So we're back on the floor. My back on the floor. Every now and again, I come back around when Joel called out to me after listening to an episode, he said, you guys think words are so funny. And, and every now and again, we say a thing that we're really laughing because we, we said the combination of combination of words. That we found funny and it's really true. We really find words. Very funny. They're funny. That was the type of line that on a British panel show that you would get like a round of applause. British panel show. Hell yeah. One of those ones where it's like the audience kind of lasts, but really they applaud, they just appreciate it. Yeah. They just, in a very British way, they just appreciate it. Thank you. Well done. Oh boy. Okay. Okay. This movie. So Dan, are you in the camp that Joel is also in? Which is you go harder for 28 years later than 20 years later, the Bone Temple. Oh yeah. Hard to beat. That movie set some pretty high expectations. Yeah. Dan, I remember Dan, when you came on, you said right at the beginning of the year, it's going to be hard to beat for movie of the year. Did that stay true for 2025? Oh, I'd have to relook at my, my movies, but I think it's maybe at the top of my letterbox, my little private list that I keep for myself. Nice. Yeah. What else came out? What are the big ones from, from two five? Uh, you know, one after another weapons, martin's, sinners, sinners, ham net, you big ham net guy. Sentimental value. Sentimental value is really good. Uh, you know, I haven't seen a weird amount of those, but, um, I, it would probably be between that and one battle after another for me. Yeah. Yeah. It's Joel's top movie of 2025. He also liked it more than this, but he did really like this. And I'll just say, I've been saving this little nugget for this moment to let you all know that I watched 28 years later. Wow. I watched it. This one or the last one? No, the last one. Okay. I don't, I don't know about this one for me, but given that it was Joel's favorite movie of the year. Um, and I'm again, I'll say it, you know, for the millionth time here, I'm, this one watching movies again. And I was prepared to feel emotions and I watched it and it's so good. You guys, 20 years later is so good. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. And it really made me feel things. I really cried. Yeah. Ugh. It was beautiful. Um, but that makes me a very emotional one. Very excited to explore the next chapter, although I don't think I want to see it with my eyes. Probably. There's some stuff that was tough even for me in this movie and I love gore and body horror, but it really, it goes pretty hard, but that's usually what sends me floating is that it's the adrenaline rush of just like turning it up to 11 and just being like, freaking crazy. The final scene of 28 years when you, you do encounter the Jimmy's was like enough for me to be like, well, I don't want to see a movie full of whatever these guys are doing. Like these guys are really scary. They're up to no good. They're up to no good. But I want to hear about it and I'm pretty excited. Yeah. Um, well, I will come, I'll come at this controversially and say I prefer the bone temple. So I'm not controversially, but this is nice. We'll have, we'll be representing both. Part one. We're here for healthy debate. We're going to have a healthy debate. For me, that is controversial because it's wrong, but we'll see. Right, right, right. Uh huh. Yeah. I see we're staying in the mode of healthy debate, Dan. Was that not a healthy way to debate? I never made a debate to you. We're not going to yuck someone else. Was anybody on the debate team? I don't think there is such a thing as healthy debate. I think I think there is. I think you're an idiot for saying that. I feel like I know a lot of people who did speech and debate in high school. It's a very like theater adjacent thing to have done. I never went anywhere where that was even an option. I might. I don't think my high school did it. Yeah. I went to the intro meeting. It was either for debate or, you know, they had like forensics, which was also a type of debate, but for some reason it was called forensics. No, I don't know about that. And the thing that turned me off is the like the like stud of the team was like showing off the way he debates. And the big thing they were focused on is you have to talk really fast when you debate because you have to fit all your points into like two minutes. Right, right, right. So, and that was the thing that they were really like proud of. Like, how about I was like, oh, this is an auctioneer. Yeah, this is an auctioneer, not like a person with cogent thoughts. Yeah. You're right. The rules around debate make it like less appealing actually. I feel like for healthy debate, the two people involved have to love and respect each other. I think that's the thing that's missing from a lot of debate. Which you and Dan don't. Wrong. Well, at a minimum, they have to have a shared reality. And I think you guys are living in two different realities right now. That's true. One reality. Classic, classic example. Bone temple is the best one reality. It's not how can we. The two can never. No, they can never reach. Yeah, they're too, it's too conflicting. Yeah, maybe if you sleep on the floor like the dog you are. Like the dog you are. Oh, brother. Oh boy. Well, well, let me tell you guys that rotten tomatoes who could never be wrong agrees with me and. Wow. This is the rotten tomatoes that has Melania at 99% right now. Well, audience made it. Stop it. Audience score. Okay, audience score. You're talking about critics score. The critics score of Melania is 6%, to be fair. The audience score of Melania is 99%. It is, yeah. Wait, so is rotten tomatoes literally just trolls? Is it trolls that in cells who are on rotten tomatoes? Sorry. That's you're just talking about the internet. Yeah, I'm just wondering who's doing the audience score on rotten tomatoes. What is the demographic? Because they're. Anyone can flood those reviews. Should they choose? Well, I remember when Captain Marvel got flooded with reviews, they actually did add some sort of thing to have to. No, that's not true. It's that people were flooding it with negative reviews before it came out. And so now you can't review until the movie's out. But yeah, I guess you could still probably review it if you haven't seen it. So but. And the studios can manipulate the audience scores. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, they can. Those. Wow. Yeah. How do they do that? I don't know. Bots are paying people to flood it. Whatever. Yeah, that makes sense. But this movie has a 92% on rotten tomatoes and 80% on Metacritic and a 7.7 on IMDB. Wow. Our pretty high scores all around. Plus, plus, plus. Yeah. The budget was 63 million so far. It has made 48 million, which is a bummer because it is part two of a proposed trilogy. And apparently the third movie has been green lit, but there is like question about will it still happen since this movie has lost money. So everybody go see it because I really want that third movie. Yeah. Yeah. I need that to happen. So get, get to the theater. And I don't really have any trivia about this other than the Bone Temple set was constructed from around 5,500 skulls. But that just reminded me of, I think you should leave. Is it 5,500 cheeseburgers? It was like quarter. Sorry. 500 skulls is 500 bones. It's 500. And 150,000 bones each individually cast and assembled, mounted onto a thousand vertical uprights, just a lot of bones and skulls in this movie, which makes a lot of sense given it's, it's a real bones, real skulls. I don't think they're real. It says individually cast and assembled. Got it. That can't be real. What, how many dead animals were that need? Are they human skulls? So it's also human dead human skulls, real human skulls used in this movie. I don't think they use real human skulls, but. But it looks great. What a marketing ploy. They should have told everyone these real human skulls. In the theater because they're real human skulls. 5,500 people died for this matter. It feels like the least you can do. Okay. Let's take a look at this trailer before we get into the recap. I don't think I've seen the trailer for this. I did not see the trailer until this morning. And. Oh, wow. It's good. Okay. If you remember the 28 years later trailer. It was amazing. It was like incredible. And I will stay in the camp of that trailer is better. What a great way to start this trailer. The other one's better, but let's take a look at this one. Okay. You protect your health, your car, even your phone, but what about your home? It's probably your biggest investment. 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Oh boy. Oh, I'm floating again. Wow. Wow. Yeah. I mean, it looks, it looks so good, especially after having seen 28 years later. I like, I definitely am like, there's parts of me that are, that would like to see this, but there's larger parts of me that would not. I don't want to see that sweet boy being a Jimmy. Oh, you can see that sweet boy being a Jimmy. He's so sweet and so dear. Oh, I just love him. I loved seeing his little face again, but I don't want to see him being a Jimmy. That's no good at all. Oh, yeah. These movies are so good. They're great. They are really good. Those trailers too are like, wait, why don't, why isn't every trailer this good? Right. Yeah. The choice of the, like, whatever that song is in there. Yeah. When it comes in, you're just like, ah, it like chills. It's, yeah, it gives you like a back of your neck feeling. And like that song. It did show a lot of scenes from the movie without like actually really giving away anything that happens in a movie. I will say, I'm glad I hadn't seen it before I saw the movie. There's a couple of images that you would want to see fresh. Nice. But it doesn't, yeah, it does a good job of like indicating tone and vibe, which is what a trailer ought to do. Peer vibes. Yeah. Though I will say, I think this movie is extremely funny and that might not have come across. Okay. I think this is funnier than the first one. The first one's really sad. The first one's pretty sad. I didn't, I don't remember really laughing at the first. I think there are moments where I laugh, but I wouldn't, I don't think I would call 28 years later funny. I do think this movie does not necessarily work as a standalone movie. Interesting. Like this movie is only, I have to be tied to. I think it has to, you have to see the first one first. But that's important info. That's good to know going in. It's like, it's this middle, it's the middle of a trilogy. Middle of a trilogy. It like should be tied to the first. Yeah. It's a, it is a risk to be like, okay, we're putting out a movie. We want it to make money. And we are telling the whole audience, you either have to watch the first one or don't come. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean, that is, yeah. And the first one didn't do as well as it should have either. Unfortunately. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's fucking bullshit. These are all timers. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, there's such a point of view and there's such like artistry at work here. Like just like visually and it's, yeah, I was really blown away. I mean, I know you guys really talked about it in the recap, but in watching the, in 28 years, like this is doing like really specific things and so successfully in a way that I just like, you don't see very often. I will say a lot of that is, is I, I feel like Danny Boyle specific. And I did miss some of that in this, but I can also totally understand why Nia Dacosta chose not to like imitate Danny Boyle's style because it feels like so specific to him. But I, at the same time, I missed it. I love Danny Boyle's weird little flourishes and like choices that are so aggressive. I think they work really well in a zombie apocalypse world, but. Wow. I'm excited to get into this. I'm excited to hear about whatever nasty shit Jack O'Connell's getting up to the man, the actor Jack O'Connell. Yeah. He's nasty. He's disgusting. All right. Well. Shall we get into it? Okay. I think we shall. So the movie starts, I think with like the, it's over black. I forget what you're seeing visually and you're hearing like the world kind of fall apart in the first movie, essentially. And then we open on the jimmies who we ended on the last movie, saving spike in their cool. What would you call it? High flying parkour wizardry. So we're in a like abandoned gym or warehouse and the jimmies led by Sir. Lord Jimmy, the Jack O'Connell Jimmy are having a knife fight spike. There, Jimmy has seven fingers is what he calls them, which are like his followers and he can only have seven. So in order to stay alive, spike has to kill one of the fingers. So. We're all like older and bigger than him. I don't know if they say why seven. I mean, Alex Garland is like very on the nose biblical stuff. So I would imagine it's something biblical there. Yeah. Yeah. But so he as Emily noted, he's a very sweet boy. He's not meant for the darkness of this world and the cruelty. He's trying his best not to fight this significantly older, like, you know, 19 year old or early 20s year old Jimmy. And these jimmies are gnarly. We watch them do some crazy shit. Yeah, they're like hooting and hollering. They're excited for blood as it's happening. The older Jimmy is winning the fight and then spike stabs him in the leg in the femoral artery. And then he's like, oh, I'm going to have a moment of desperation. It's like an accident, though. He just like an accident. Yeah. He like he like drops the knife and then like has a moment where he gets and he just swings it into his leg. And they're at first like laughing about it because they're like, oh my God, he bested you like you got stabbed by a little kid. And the guy's like annoyed and rolling his eyes and then he pulls it out and it just starts gushing blood like so much blood. Very clear that this is an artery that he's not going to survive. Oh, that makes me crazy. It's really gnarly to watch. Also, it's a crazier reminder of what a body is. Like if some it's like it's your leg, you'd think like, you know, I could live without that. But they just there's spots in your body where it's like, oh, well, no, sorry, you're just you're dead. Yeah, it's like all of the blood in your body is going to be outside of your body in 20 seconds. And they're all of the other jimmies are just like laughing and laughing and laughing. One of them, I think is a little stressed. The one that's maybe his like closest friend is like, oh, what do we do? What do we do? But Sir Jimmy is like, well, the point was one of them had to die. So I guess we just let him die. Like, like, all right, we have a winner. Sorry. It's pretty gnarly. It's gnarly that gives bike the wig, right? He puts on the like the blonde Jimmy wig, maybe off of the Jimmy that he killed. If I remember correctly. Yeah, I mean, they're probably not going on buying new wigs. Jimmy Shite, by the way, is this Jimmy's name. They're all like Jimmy. Like one of the women Jimmy's is Jemima ones like Jimmy, Inc. Jimmy Shite, they've all got their little nicknames. Little variations. And the costume reminder is based on famous pedophile Jimmy Seville. So don't dress up as them for Halloween like I suggested on Letterboxed because I forgot. It would be importaste. It would be importaste. But it is also very tempting Halloween costume. It's fun. They are wearing like, yeah, like brightly colored track suits and funny platinum blonde wigs. Yeah. Yeah, they are all from an era 28 years ago where they were children or hadn't been born. And so they're like stunted in time. And this was before he was outed as a pedophile and was just a children's entertainer. So they don't know any of this. Yeah, they also love the teletubbies. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Spike gets the wig. What the friend of Jimmy Shite that he killed is like, give Spike one of those looks back. That's like, fuck you. Yeah, this is not a warm welcome to the club. Yeah. And then we are back at the Bone Temple. Ian Ray finds his character is cleaning and producing another wall set of bones, a skull and bones. And then we see the thing from a pregnant zombie we saw in the first movie who died. So, you know, he's being reverent and doing his whole process. And then as he's out in the world, we see Samson, one of the alphas who as you, if you remember are like big Jason Momoa guys who are naked with huge dicks. Right. Like all alpha males are. And we see him ripping a head off of a person. So I can't remember what doing his kind of signature move. Yeah, there's a, there's just like a lone wanderer that unfortunately gets caught by Samson. And we see a quick POV from what Samson is seeing. And the guy is like terrified on the floor as Samson is above him. And Samson is seeing him as like a crazed zombie. Samson is like seeing a threat from this guy who is like just very scared. Oh, that's so interesting. What an interesting choice to make it that like it's not that they are soulless villains. They're acting in self-defense. Yes. Imaginary self-defense. If only there was a peaceful minded, sensitive doctor that could see them this way. If only. In his own bone temple. If only. But so we see Samson grab this man's skull by the face, just like shoves his hand into his face, like crushes his skull and pulls off his head and spine. Yeah. And then like cracks his skull open and is eating his brain. Oh, man, yeah. And I just wanted to flag this because we did recently have a conversation about what the texture of brain might be. Yeah. And Emily and I thought it would be more tough like a muscle. Henley said, no, it's more like jelly. This is jelly in this, which we did have someone confirm. Someone verify. Someone who knows. Someone who knows. Oh my God. Said that it is more jelly like so. Brain more like jelly. Love the pod. Burn. Burn. Oh my God. I was just saying it was a zombie listener as all. Yeah. Yeah. I got a massage recently that I told him that he could do like really firm pressure and he took it too far, but I of course didn't say anything because why would I ever speak that and he did a head massage and it I felt like he was trying to crack my head open like I was like, he is trying to split my skull into. So that's just what I thought of right now. It's really. It's really. Banging it against the table. He had both hands and it was like, I really, I was like, he's like. Trust in each of your eyes. I have like a little tiny head too. I'm like scared to the jelly inside. Jelly is coming out of your ears, coming out of your nose. You're like, so I think my brains are coming out of my eyes right now. Could you maybe do it? I would never speak up. I would never speak up. I would never. I would never. That's not, that's not my place. Sorry, I got some of my brain jelly out of the tube. The greatest risk you could ever do is say you want a hard massage. I know from a man's perspective. But they never go hard enough, but, but I, look, I've learned. I feel like I've got the shit kick out of me. Like I'm covered in bruises. My experience as, you know, as a feminist basically is that if you ask a male masseuse for a hard massage, they do hard without intuition. Right. Women do hard massage, but they're intuitively hard. Right. Yes. Yeah. It was, it was completely non discerning. It was like everywhere I touch is going to be as if, like, I feel like I was just getting like pushed around, like pushed and skull broken open, like a cook just crushed. Like rung like a dishcloth. But so like occasionally in where places where I needed the pressure, I was like, oh, this is great. But, but like 80% of the time I was like, ow. Yeah. We need to normalize having like full open communication with a masseuse throughout. But it was also at the now where it's like, you're not actually in a, like I'll never speak there because other people, it's like, you're not actually, Other people can hear you. Totally private. Like you're like disturbing other people's checking in at all. Like sometimes they're like, is the pressure still okay? He didn't, he didn't ask. Cause that's, that's maybe a time where I might say, and even then I was like, when he asks, I will say like, it may be a little later, but he, but no, but he did not ask. So we know how Emily would be dealt with by an alpha. Yeah. Yeah. Brain and skull absolutely ripped out immediately. Thank you so much. Thank you. Here's a tip. 20% of course. Of course. So then we cut to, we're with Ian and he hears Samson. And so they, they kind of, Ian is Ray finds his character, the doctor at the Bowdoin temple and they meet kind of distant from each other at a hill. And through this kind of, you know, the ghosts and Mario, if you turn your back, they like kind of come for you. And then if you look at them, they stop. This is happening, but with Ian's kind of blow dart with Samson, which he keeps what's it called morphine in. He used it in the first movie on them. And he slowly starts to realize something. They're like, what is he realizing here? And it's essentially that Samson wants the morphine. Like Samson keeps like coming a little closer, but not actually attacking him. And Ray finds is just like, interesting. Like what is he's, he's such a scientist. He's always learning. So he's just really. And he's such a compassionate soul. He really is. And so he's always going to wait until Ray finds the actor. I mean, he seems to be. I know I do really love him. But he's jackal codley actor nasty. But yeah, like he's always going to wait until the very last second to fire one of these little darts. And so Samson's just not actually seemingly threatening his life. And so yeah, he like puts together that he wants, he wants the dart. So then we cut to three people in the woods who are like, you know, just survivors. This might be a movie where you lean over to your girlfriend and go, do we know them from the first movie? Here we go. No. And they are like foraging and they are seen. There's a zombie nearby and they go like, if he screams, they're all going to come. So one of the, it's two men and a woman. One of the men goes to try to kill him. He makes us, he hits the zombie. It screams a bunch of other zombies come. So these three people start to have to bolt as they're bolting. They're like the zombies are gaining on the main guy who tried to kill the zombie and he's like, please don't leave me. Don't leave me. And the man and the woman have to watch him die and just leave him to die at the hands of the zombies. They run, they like unlock a fence, bolt it. They come to like kind of a village, a little like compound. They walk through the door and in this little house, all the jimmies are like dining at a table and their family. The family of these other people is like kind of terrified. Oh no. Yeah. So the jimmies, Jimmy kind of explains like, we are wander. He has like a little monologue of like, we were wondering that he's being like nice and friendly. And we come to, you know, dying and whatever. And it's this really tense kind of scene where he explains their history, ask them if they know the Teletubbies. He's like, oh, it's fucking great man. And then is it Jemima? One of the jimmies. Yeah, Jemima. Jemima, he has her do a Teletubby dance. So she's just standing near the dinner table and she's kind of happily doing this. Like, I don't know if Sammy could do the dance right now. Did you watch the Teletubbies? Did you guys watch the Teletubbies? I did not, but she did a really good impression. So I have seen, there was a moment in time where I was like, the Teletubbies are really cute. Like I was like older, but I was like, they're cute. I think I liked the red one. I feel like I saw a few episodes when I was a child just because I had such limited like. They like live in a like a hobbit hole, right? Kind of situation. And there's a son that looks like a baby. A baby son. And they like their bellies light up. Sir Jimmy was explaining they have a television on their belly. Oh, television. And they're playing with it. Oh, Teletubbies. And they're playing within the television. And those Teletubbies on the television on their tubby tummy have televisions as well. And it just goes on and on. It makes like an infinite loop of Teletubbies. Got it. Wow. Really twisted stuff we were consuming. I was so twisted. Now back to this. I believe Teletubbies is what Jimmy was watching in the first movie at the very beginning. When the zombie attack happens. And to remind everybody, he runs away. He hears his family die. And then his father, who is a pastor, like accepts the zombies all ripping him to pieces as he kind of like cheers almost the end of the world. Yeah. So that was Sir Jimmy's pretty traumatic. Childish. Pretty traumatic. So this, the tension kind of rises. Ultimately, I believe her name is Kathy. Kathy's pregnant, by the way. Who is pregnant. Real bummer. Yes. Not bummer to be pregnant, but bummer to be pregnant in this real. Yeah. And in this, in this world as well. Yeah. In this world, I'd wrap it up. I'd wrap it up. Yeah. And Kathy's, one of the guys like looks at her, like grabs a pot of boiling water is like run and he throws it on Jimmy and she bolts. And meanwhile, like you're just hearing like screams from the house and like clutter and fighting. Like crashing pots and pans and screaming and then eventually just see the Jimmy's only come out. It makes sense that that would happen in this world where it's like, you don't just have to worry about zombies. You don't have to worry about horrible non-zombie humans. Of course. Bucking with your ship. But man, that would suck so bad to be like, God, like things are bad enough. Please just leave me alone. I know. It's very, really tough. It's very, a very modern feeling. Yeah. It's like currently how life feels. Yeah. Uh-huh. So, yes. Then we go back to Ian Kelsen, the doctor, Ray Fiennes. And he is having like a 1960s heroin kind of dance hang with Samson. Oh. He's doing the morphine as well. We're kind of seeing like a montage of them. They're bonding. In my mind, like shiny, shiny, shiny boots of that like velvet underground song is playing. It's not, but that's what I meant. And it's quite funny. I don't know how intentionally it is, but it's quite funny to watch. It really made me laugh. Because it's a big ass naked zombie dancing with Ray Fiennes. Getting high. In the bone temple. Really unexpected. In the bone temple. And as that all goes on, Ian sits next to Samson and basically goes like, I'm glad I got to give you some sense of solace from like the pain of whatever you go through. But you're in so much pain, like I have to overdose you. He's like that the morphine is going to run out. We're going to run out of morphine. At the rate where, this like senses that time has passed also that they've spent like a couple days or a couple weeks together doing this. And yeah, he's just like, we're going to run out. And I think like the kindest thing I can do for you is to like put you in a peaceful sleep forever. But like also in some of the like montage of them spending time together, we see that Ray Fiennes has been like, again, as a scientist, like very curious in what's happening here and like seeing moments of like Samson's humanity coming through. And he's kind of trying to like, he's like, if we could find out that the virus like lays on top of the person below rather than like ravaging through the, like if there is some of your humanity left behind, that would be like the biggest breakthrough ever. And so he's like trying to coax things out of Samson and seeing if he can like recognize things and they're like having this very bonding time, but Samson's like not really getting there. So that's when he gets to this point of like, okay, I think I have to like, and, and things for you. You're also getting the impression that he's collected maybe like 10 records over this time because he's always singing that song. Her name is Rio and she dances. He's like singing that. He kind of like who will get high and he'll dance alone in his little area. I don't know what you call underground hovel as he reads. And so he's got like a few records there and he's like singing to Samson and they're dancing together. And so he sticks the needle in and Samson's kind of looking at the sky and as he does it, Samson goes moon, which is the first time we've ever seen any of these zombies speak. Whoa. And he's like really looking up at the moon and he looks all high and just like, it's magical. It's a magical moment. And thank God, Kelsen hasn't actually injected anything. He just poked him. So he pulls it out. Oh, okay. Okay. And now we are back in a barn. The fingers have tied up the people that were in the house, everyone except the, the woman that ran away. Oh God. And Jimmy's kind of introducing to them his like, these are my seven fingers. I have spoken through by old Nick, who is Satan, who he thinks is his father. And old Nick like asks, tells me what to do. And let's ask him like what sort of punishment we should give you or what he calls it not a punishment, but charity. What charity we should give you. Yeah. Like touching his temple, like speaking to old Nick and he says, old Nick wants us to take their shirts. Oh, I don't not like this. Yeah. And all the other jimmies other than Spike start approaching them. Spike. He's having a real bad time, obviously. The impression is when they say, take your shirts, Spike is like, no, not that. So like he's seen this before. So it's bit like they've done this to a few people, maybe like, uh, so spikes maybe been with them for a minute. Um, and so they go and they stick a knife into, I believe they're like chest area. They start cutting and they're basically removing their skin as if you were like removing a shirt from somebody. Ew, ew, ew, ew. And it's like, you know, a couple of people in their twenties, but then like an older man and a woman. And they're very much just hanging alive while this is happening. And they're hanging with their arms like tied up above them. Oh God, I really don't like this. And we see that the pregnant woman is in the loft of the barn, like watching, like crying, trying not to scream out. And there's the one man who like she was with who, uh, she's like particularly focused on this is all happening. Um, when the woman ran away, Spike sent one of the female jimmies to go find her. Sir, Jimmy did. Oh, sorry. Sir, Jimmy sent one of the female jimmies to go find her. So she's off. Spike goes out and starts throwing up while this is happening outside the barn. It's really gnarly as someone who has watched a lot of, you don't see people. This the scene? Yeah. It's like showing like piles of skin falling onto the ground. And it's showing like their skin bodies the whole time. And I guess actually remember in the first movie, isn't so, oh, not skinned, but like so someone has Jimmy carved into them while they're hanging. So that's, yeah. Oh yeah. And they were still alive. I forgot about that. Um, but yeah, you really see three people being skinned alive and it just doesn't happen a lot in movies. There's martyrs, Hunter, Hunter and tear fire too are the ones that I can think. I mean, I'm sure there's others, but. Yeah. Hunter, Hunter really gnarly. And I'll say, not for me. Not for me. It's tough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not pleasant at all. And it does not give you solace. Like they spend time in it. Yeah. It says it's a long. Drawing out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that my personal opinion is not consistent with the tone of these other movies. This is too much. The world of 28 days later. But yeah. So anyway, Spike goes out. He throws up. Uh, I think while this is happening, we've seen the Jimmy that he sent to find the woman, she, she from a distance sees Dr. Kelsen dancing with the Alpha and she's like, what the hell? Yeah. It would be funny to stumble across that her name is Jimmy, Inc. Jimmy, Inc. Thank you. And so she returns and kind of consoles Spike and is like, you can stay out here. Oh, she nice. And there she, she's the one who kind of empathizes with him. Do we trust her or not? She's, she's certainly the best bet he's got in this scenario where I was like still suspicious of her because she's not like bothered by the people being skinned alive, it seems. Right. But she has a little more humanity for Spike. Yeah. Okay. Well, she's been raised on this. So it's very different than Spike coming into it. Yeah. And so we're back in the barn and the one man, Tom is his name. It who's still alive. He's like presumably the father of the baby that the woman is. Yes. Pregnant woman. Jimmy's like, he kind of, I think has another monologue here and kind of talks in his bloviating way about, he's very like, I mean, the image behind Sammy is like his whole essence basically. He's got, he wears like chains and. And his hair is not a wig. So he's somehow getting bleach in this, in this time. That's why they're going house to house is food and bleach. They look like bleach. Yeah. Oh, also in these ceremonies, like the parts where they're doing charity, everyone puts on these scary masks that I think just really add to just how horrible. It's like almost like hockey masks, but I think like they're just made of old sweatshirts or something. They're just like very scary masks that they put on while they perform the charity. It's, it looks like something I like the stranger to something. There's that one over your shoulder there. But they're like, yeah, laced up weird, like, you know, football pants or something like that. Um, so his kid goes, you can, if you can defeat, you can pick any of my fingers. And if you can defeat them in a fight, you can, you become a finger and we'll let you live. Basically. Is he's partially skin? No, he they've been leaving him because he, they want, they, I think for this purpose. Got it. Got it. Got it. He's like, I want strong fingers because he's like a young man. And this is like, yeah, a young, young man. So he looks around and, um, he's kind of sitting on the ground. He makes eye contact with Jamima, the, the female one, uh, and kind of like decides, he's like crying, um, but like decides to fight her. Cause spikes not in the room. Yeah. Spikes outside vomiting. Thank God. Cause I was stressed about that. See, it'd be the obvious choice if we were there. So they face off kind of similar to spike at the beginning with the Jimi The second he picks, picks her though, I'm going, that was a huge mistake. She's like giving the craziest vibes of all of them the whole time. This act just really good. But she's absolutely unhinged. He doesn't know that, I guess he's has spent quite as much time with her as we have, but as soon as he picks her, I'm like, Oh, Oh, no. Yeah. She like smiles. Yeah. She's relishing crazy when he picks her. So then she, yeah, she kind of like plays with her food a little bit when she's fighting him, his baby mom was watching from the loft and he's just getting his ass like cut up. Uh, I think he gets stabbed in the shoulder. He's got really nothing on this woman. She stabs him also once like in the wrist and just slices down his full forearm in a way that like looks fatal to me, but he seems to be hanging on so far. Up and down is better than side to side on the forearm there. If you miss the artery. So, uh, that she's straddling him and she's like, you picked me because you thought I was weak because I was the girl. Uh, she's about to kill him. And then she kind of like freezes and starts kind of talking gibberish about her cat. Hmm. I couldn't hear what she said there. I like want to see it again. But yeah, she's saying something about her cat. I love, love that. This woman has a cat. Oh, where's the cat? Possibly in the pre times. Um, and we, we reveal that, uh, the woman in the loft has, uh, thrown like a, uh, a hook, like a heavy hook that was up there down, uh, connected to a rope and it's landed like in the back of this, uh, Jemima's, Jemima's cranium. Oh, making her speak gibberish. It's just sticking out. It's just sticking into her skull. It hooks right into her brain. Jelly ride into her brain jelly. Um, so she's up there. All, uh, Jimmy's like that trying to get up to the loft. They're all yelling at her and like, get her. Meanwhile, Tom finds a, uh, uh, like a flammable, like, uh, uh, one of those containers with, uh, flammable gas. Yeah. And he points it at everyone and lights it up and like flame throws the, so one of the Jimmy's and the barn, the woman escapes. This is when they run outside. Jimmy sends Spike to go get her. Uh, the man gets shot. I does get shot with an arrow. They have like an arrow or something like that there. Yep. And Spike chases her. She gets to the padlock. She's trying to get out and spikes like, wait, take me with you. And, um, you're remembering that he's needs a maternal figure. He's a little boy. Who was trying to save his mom who had cancer. He's been very like frozen and passive for most of the movie so far. And so she comes to him and grabs him and kicks him in the nuts. And it's like, fuck you. Which honestly you would though. I feel like I would if I were like this, he's dressed as a Jimmy. Like they're all so unpredictable and scary. It's like, it's not worth it. It's just not worth it. And she doesn't know, she doesn't know Spike. Yeah. So she bails. He comes back. The Jimmy's going crazy, pissed off. And Spike tells her that Kathy got away and no, he tells, he tells him that he killed her. Oh, really? Yes. He's like, I had to kill her, which is, I miss that. And, and he's like, Oh, you killed her, huh? Like where's her body? And he's like, Oh, it was like in the woods. And sir, Jimmy's like, oh, somewhere that's going to be pretty hard to find, I bet. And he's like, absolutely panicking. Now I'm like, did I pee during that part? I don't remember that at all. Let go to the bathroom. I'll pee my pants. But sir, Jimmy obviously knows that Spike is lying and it escalates into everyone's like pissed at Spike. I think one or two other Jimmy's just died. We're in chaos. Everyone's screaming. Everyone's mad. One of the Jimmy's is like, it's your fault. My friend is dead. Like you stab, you stabbed him in the leg. He was my best friend. And they all just like want to kill Spike in this moment. But sir, Jimmy is like, well, we have to ask old Nick what old Nick wants to do. And then Jimmy ink is like, well, why don't we ask him in person? I think I saw him. Oh, okay. And he's like, what do you mean? And she's like, well, I saw, I saw a man covered in red, could it could, could hoarding with the beasts. Cause he, he's again covered in red iodine because the blood can't get to the zombie blood can't affect you if you do that. She doesn't point this out, but he's quite buffer as age too. So you might think he could be Satan. Well, he's dragging around all those bodies. Yeah. It's a workout. In a bone temple. Um, so yeah, he got that is a good workout. And so they're like, okay, we'll go, we'll go talk to him and decide what should happen to Spike and I guess generally meet him. Does sir Jimmy seem excited about this or like, fuck, it's very funny. He's, he's like, everyone's just confused. They're kind of, he's kind of in shock. He's like, what? You saw, you saw him also sir, sir Jimmy says like, I'm the chosen son of old Nick. So I think he's a little bit like almost jealous. Like you saw my dad and I have it. Like, okay, take me to him. But then they're like watching him with binoculars, watching Kelsen and they're like, is it him? Is it him? And we're just seeing Jimmy's face. Like, sir Jimmy going like, I mean, I think, I think it might be him. It's maybe him. It's like clear that they, nobody really knows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like if us, like that kid in high school had been like, yeah, I have a girlfriend that I met at summer camp and they describe her and then someone's like, Oh, I think there's a woman named Kate over there that looks like that. Is that her? Oh, yeah. Let me go check with her first. It's kind of that vibe. Jimmy, Inc. The last remaining female Jimmy is clocking this also. Like you can see that she's kind of distrustful of this Jimmy of sir, sir Jimmy. Uh, I don't know where this has happened, but, uh, somehow in, uh, at some point we have seen the alpha also like walk, uh, and like put his hands in water and like appreciate nature in a way that we've never seen before. And so like that's happened a little bit. But anyway, spike, uh, they go to sleep. Wait, uh, what's the order here? Yeah. I think they do like set up camp for a night, but I don't think anything really happens there. And I think it's the next morning. Sir Jimmy goes down and is like, I need to talk to him alone first. And so we have our meeting of, uh, Dr. Kelsen and Jimmy, and it's kind of like an odd moment of people, one man who never sees any people and Jimmy being like, so are you old Nick? Are you the, so are you the devil? Are you my dad? My dad is the devil. Um, and Ian's like, I don't know who that is. I've never heard of that person. I'm not him and his, you know, being very like sweet. It's a, it is a, my name's Ian. I'm called Ian. Yeah. I'm called Ian. It should be a, uh, Oscar nominated performance where he finds it so good in this movie and he's being very sweet to him and they start chatting a little and they have like a really nice bonding moment. Um, sir Jimmy kind of gives a little bit of his backstory of why he thinks his dad is the devil and like how that all happened. Um, and, and also like the, I feel like that's at least where the charity clicked for me that he was like, my dad would always like collect charity as his dad was a priest and so yeah, he's just kind of like warping his childhood trauma into this like, yeah, my dad was Satan and I have to continue his work of charity. AKA skinning people alive. Yeah. And so they've like connected nicely. This like father son moment with like a lonely man and a fatherless man. And then sir Jimmy goes, so anyway, I have some friends who think you're old Nick and I need you to say you are, cause if you don't, I'm going to feed your intestines to you. He's like, I'm in a bit of a bind here. Cause they think that you're old Nick and if you're not, then I'm going to look stupid. So I need you to pretend, or yeah, I'm going to kill you. And he's like, well, that is a bind. And then he says the something, you know what they say about the devil's always willing to make a deal. And so we're, we see that Kelsen's going to play along. What choice does he have? Okay. Um, Jimmy goes back. He's like, yeah, you're going to meet old Nick, but there's three rules that old Nick made for you. Like only I can talk to him. You can't ask him any questions. I forget what the other ones are. Have we gotten any acknowledgement from spike that like spike knows who this dude is just from spikes eyes. Like we know, we know spike knows. Spike has put this together. Spike knows it's Kelsen. Spike is playing cool. Yeah. You got it. And so that night spike tries to escape or like at dawn and is followed by the, the, which Jimmy is it that's always been pissed at him? Oh, no, the guy who's Fox friend. Yeah. It's the one who's like, he, you killed my best friend. And so they get into a fight. He's like, where you going? He almost kills spike. And right before he does Jimmy, ink, uh, she comes and save spike kills Jimmy Fox and now they've got a dead Jimmy on their hands. Oh, they killed Jimmy Fox. They killed Jimmy Fox. Fuck Jimmy. Fuck. Okay. So they go back to, uh, wards her Jimmy and explain to him, um, that the other Jimmy was trying to escape and spikes stopped him and he's like a little dubious, but he's like, uh, we'll have old Nick kind of sort this out. Basically writes him. Me. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Uh, meanwhile we see, uh, we've also heard her Jimmy, ink, like reveal her suspicions of sir Jimmy. He's, she's like, I don't think he really knows. I don't think old Nick's his dad. So we get like some amount of clarity that she, but she believes in Satan. She just, she's like, Satan is just doesn't think sir Lord Jimmy is the son of Satan. And so she's here on her own little like, yeah, she's not, we don't find, we don't find good about Jimmy, Inc. necessarily, but she suspects. Oh, and also in this moment, she has a moment with spike before they go back where she's like, where, what are you doing? Like, where are you going? And he's like, literally anywhere is better than this. And she like looks really sad. And she's like, I've been anywhere and no, it's not. And it's really sad. So she's, yeah, we like see that she's just accepted the reality of her situation. Yeah. Chosen this life out of like everything else is also like completely horrible. Sucks. Yeah. Meanwhile, I believe we see a little bit of Dr. Kelsen preparing and we see Samson kind of in the world again. And he goes to this train we've seen him in before in the first movie. Uh, there's like a battle scene in that train where I think one of the, uh, his baby mama's gives birth if, uh, if I'm not mistaken. And he starts to kind of have flashbacks in the train. And we see him as a young boy on a train and he's looking at like a book of, you know, the galaxy and the moon. And he's like learning about the moon and it's modern times. I think also has Dr. Kelsen given him anti psychotics at this point? You're right. Kelsen's like been trying to like piece together. What is this virus doing exactly? And maybe it's like causing a psychosis and there's medication for that. And so he, you know, he's running out of morphine, but he has a supply of other drugs. So he gives Samson an anti psychotic and is like, you know, since we're running out of morphine, we might as well try this too. And I think that this is after that. And so he's having like some memories coming back. Yeah. And on the train memory, it starts to like fall apart. He kind of like sees something happening in the distance of the train. And then he kind of looks up and everyone on the train looks at him in the memory. He's remember, he's remembering the like train ticket lady coming by asking for tickets. And then we're seeing in reality, like other zombies coming onto the train and like turning on him because something is happening with him biologically that they no longer are like seeing him as one of them. So they're like coming in circling him and he looks up as they get close to him. And he says, I'm sorry, I don't I don't have my ticket. He's really sweet. And then they they attack and it's a big crazy fight. I mean, he's huge. He is the alpha. So he is pretty like pretty easily killing them one by one, but he's super outnumbered. And we we absolutely love him at this point. And it's really devastating. So we're just like, no. But also he is like already infected. So when we're seeing like blood spray on him, which normally would be the thing that you'd be like, oh, fuck, it's over for him is OK. Still. So he survives the fight or is we don't see. I don't think I think we're like leave him like screaming in the train. But we're we're freaking hoping doesn't look good, but we're hopeful. Hoping and praying. OK. For our Samson. And then the fingers arrive at the Bone Temple. They're ready to meet. Old Nick and that they put their masks on again, right? And. Iron Maiden starts blaring. Nice. Is that one of his records? Yeah, he has a little record player. And it's the six six six. The number of the beast is the song. How convenient. And Ray Fiennes puts on one of the most incredible fire dance. You know, in your face, demonic, campy performance, a lip sync for his life song. Of this song as he's he like pops out. He lights like a fire around them, which is kind of what you're seeing behind Sammy here. He blows a hallucinogen in all their faces. Incredible. That it kind of gives a little bit of like, you know, Batman begins scare crow vibes where they so they're seeing this in a very like intense way. It is like a five minute production. I want to watch this. This is what I want to watch. I always want to watch the dance scenes. You can handle this. Yeah, they're all just like drug dealer minds like like so confused, but so excited. Oh, my God. You're here. We're with the same. No hell yeah. And Ray Fiennes has all this like black makeup on and he's just going like. Incredible. I would pay the very little life savings I have for the dailies of Ray Fiennes. Just sing the worst song with no with like nothing. None of the production behind them and like dancing around the studio exact in their office, like flipping like casually through the frames, like board, eating a salad like no, this is good. But it is like this is a, you know, 60 something year old man just going full commitment led to a crazy ask in a zombie movie in a really fun way. It's so special. Very special. It definitely makes you float. At some point in here got full frontal Ray Fiennes as he was like going to bed one time. I forgot. I don't remember when that was, but just a casual little full frontal time as any to, yeah, it's never too late to give us that information to tell you guys that that happens. I forgot that it was special. It sounds special. Kind of his own alpha. And I was like, yeah, this movie loves Dom. Okay, Ray. And his penis was Ray Fiennes, if you know what I mean. Um, and so the production number ends and, uh, there's a lot of shots of Sir Jimmy just like so pleased with himself to like, this is going so well. This is exactly what I hoped would happen. I'm disappointed in myself and my audience. This deserved a standing ovation and we didn't give it one. But it's like, it's just, it's so cool. It's so fun. It's so audacious for like just a zombie movie. Um, and so then, uh, Dr. Kelston kind of starts going through the bullet points that clearly Jimmy prepped him for of like, Jimmy is basically like the anti Christ. Um, he is my son, do whatever he says, find a few more fingers, like grow your group a little more. And, um, is there, are there any other ones Sammy of like the basic rules? I can't, I can't remember this. There's one last one that he's about to say when he recognizes spike. He makes eye contact with spike and he sees him and Sir Jimmy is like, yeah, so like continue going through the world, giving charity to people, growing our army of fingers. Like that's, that's what we should be doing, right? And you see Kelston like not knowing what to do in this, in this moment. Now that he realizes spike is, is with them. Again, I don't know how any actor on earth does this in his face. You see him realizing like what spike has had to do to get to this point. What he's probably seen, how like sad he is for, um, not knowing how to handle the situation now, like the position he's in. And so he goes, actually, that I have one more rule. Sir Jimmy's like, no, I don't think so. I think that was all the rules. Wasn't it? Wasn't that all of them? No, no, no, one more, one more, uh, to like fully fulfill like the prophecy for me, you have to crucify Sir Jimmy. Like my son, like Jesus, like, well, that tracks. That is, that's what it's that right. Henry, I don't know the story, but it's pretty sure that's the story. Yeah. Do you want to call Tim and I need an expert in here? Let's contact a professional that. Whoa. Fuck yeah. Hell yes. Okay. Okay. And you see Jimmy ink is pretty excited about this. She's like, all right, like let's do it. And Jimmy, uh, Lord sir, Jimmy is pleading his case. And, um, there, uh, as Dr. Kelsen is kind of talking about it, Lord sir Jimmy just kind of like, you know, freaks out, pulls out a knife and stabs him in the stomach. Wait, he stabs Kelsen in the stomach? Kelsen in the stomach. Oh no. No. But then while that's, while everyone's kind of reacting to the shock of that, we see sir Jimmy also like shudder and look down and spike has stabbed sir Jimmy in the stomach as well. Oh, great. And then the remaining fingers turn on spike. Oh, this is, this is chaos. And Jimmy ink basically saves him. Okay. And how many fingers are there at this point for, I can't remember what happens to them. Does she kill them? Oh, maybe she doesn't kill them. No. Or do they just run? Do they run? I can't remember. I can either. Let's see what it says here. Um, this page in front of me says ink turns on the remaining fingers, killing them all and freeing spike. Okay. Wow. Jimmy ink. She like realizes that Kelsen, it's been an act. She like turns to him. She's like, so you're not Satan. Are you? And she's kind of bummed about, about it. Yeah. She is, she does believe in Satan and thought she was meeting her dark lord. Yeah. And he is my favorite line in the movie. I think it's after she says that he goes, I'm not, no one is or like no, or is anyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great line. He goes, but I am Voldemort in a different life. Yeah. I thought I knew you. They take his nose off. And she tells me that he's not a good guy. And she tells him like, I'm sorry to say like, I can't help you with that. Like, I don't think you're going to be surviving that. He says, I know. And she says, but I can help you with one thing. And she gets to crucifying sir Lord Jimmy. Oh, wow. She crucifies him upside down, just like his necklace that he was like upside down across from the very first scene in the first movie. Wow. Wow. Wow. And so he's kind of suffering there. Spike is like, why did you do that for Kelsen? And Kelsen goes because you've been through enough. Kelsen. So he like sacrificed himself for Spike. Oh my God. They're heroes everywhere you look, you guys. But this world needs Kelsen. I know. It's so sad. And then as Jimmy's kind of hanging upside down, he gives us the old classic line, father, why have you forsaken me? And he's kind of like dying and the likes, like the world is kind of like changing in front of him. And he sees this like flash of a zombie and then it cuts out for that scene. So you imagine these may be killed there, but we don't see it. And then Spike. Yeah. Did you say, so Jimmy Ink is like my name's Kelly. Did you say that already? My real name's Kelly. They kind of like have their bonding moment. They throw off the wigs. Yeah. They've, they've leave that behind. They're dropping the Jimmy. And then we cut to a cabin somewhere in the Highlands. A home. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what am I missing? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what am I missing? Samson. Oh, right? What happens with Samson? Samson, we see him like after Kelly and Spike have walked off into the distance leaving Kelsen, Kelsen dead in the Bone Temple. Oh, he's died. Samson returns to the Bone Temple and sees this is when we also see, yeah, a surgeon, a surgeon me from his point of view, seeing like Satan now for real, this like huge alpha. He's like, and he still has a, has some of the hallucinogen in his system. So he's seeing Samson as Satan with horns. And he's like, here he is. My real dad is here. He's here. And I can't remember if Samson kill. I think he just leaves surgeon me. He's going to die eventually. And he like kneels down. Oh, Kelsen's not quite dead yet, but he's almost dead. And he kneels down next to Kelsen and says Kelsen, thank you. And then Kelsen dies. Wow. And Samson like scoops him up and carries him off. Oh, wow. As, yeah, then we cut away. I've missed some impactful moments of this. Good job. Oh, and Kelsen's last line before he dies is memento mori. So of course, call back to the call back to the first. We all must die. Yeah. And so now a high school ish age girl is learning history and like preparing for a test with somebody and she's like, okay, so they're basically explaining why after World War two, the Germans had to kind of like be forgiven and not dismantled because if after World War one, the Germans were like dismantled and shamed and it led to World War two. Like if you don't practice that kind of thought, it'll just repeat itself. And we reveal that she is talking to Kili and Murphy. He's in this movie, you guys. What? Wait, wait. I did not. I really didn't expect it. The implication being that she's a young black girl that he and was Hannah her name from the first movie. I can't remember. It's I think night Naomi. They had a daughter, but that they had a daughter. I was doing like a little bit of the like trying to remember does she die in the movie or Naomi Harris is that Selena is her character. Selena, Hannah is the young girl and Selena is the woman that he has a romantic relationship with. So the implication here being that he's homeschooling this daughter. We don't see a mom and he's like, well, you know, it would be wise of you to know this for the test tomorrow. And she's like, dad, you're the one making the test. He's like, yeah, maybe if that question's on the test, it's just good for you to know. I was like, you're writing the test. And then they see, they hear something and look into the fields and see a bunch of zombies chasing Kelly and and Spike as they come over a fence and the daughter is like, well, what should we do? Should we help them? And he's like, yeah, we always help them. And then the movie ends as the original theme from the first movie starts playing. Oh my God. That's the third movie. We have to get a third movie. We have to get a third movie. I wanted so bad. I have full body chills. Full body chills. I just got full body chills. I love it so much. And yeah, I mean, we need it. I'll pay for it. You guys. Sammy's going to pay for it. Thank you, Sammy. I'll figure it out. I'll figure something out. Also, I want to know what the syllabus is. I want to know Killian Murphy's syllabus for teaching his daughter because I'm really interested in what he has to say. Yeah. Wow, you guys. Wow, wow, wow. Yeah, most of the third movie, I think is homeschool. It's just homeschooling curriculum. It's just homeschooling curriculum. I love that. Not that I love homeschooling. I think that everyone should be going to public schools, but holy shit. In this circumstance, it's probably the only option. Yeah, I'm pretty sure there aren't a lot of public schools around. That probably is public school in this world. Holy shit. That is so exciting. These movies are really like trying to tackle some very deep questions, I think, in a way that's really fun to see. Yeah. Just like deep questions about human nature, who are the real monsters, what does it mean to be redeemable? I think I'm going to watch this movie. I think it's really like once you pass the skinning stuff. Yeah, I just will close my eyes. I think it gets easier after that. I think the first like half hour of the movie is pretty jam packed with violence and then I think it gets easier. There's like two or three zombie moments that are like so not impactful for me that we didn't even mention them. Yeah. But the skinning is the main thing. Yeah. I was fine with the zombie moments in 28 years. It's like something about it. The suffering is the hardest part. There's a lot of suffering in the skinning. The skinning stuff and is like that's much harder to watch than like. I think also too because and I'll be curious to see how this one is shot, but like because 28 years is so stylized and the scenes of violence are so like quick cuts and insane like crazy angles and stuff that it doesn't hit me in the same way that like. Staying on a scene of watching people get skinned. Yes, because that sort of Danny Boyle style really reminds you that you're watching a movie. It's like right where this is a movie. Look how crazy this is. Whereas I don't think this one does that as much and in these scenes. Yeah, you're really just. I feel like you're really just sitting in them with the skinning. But man, Kelsen is such a good character. Like I I'm so glad I watched 28 years because hearing this drama like I want to spend more time with him like I want to see this movie is I just like really want to see more of him and I really love Spike and I just feel it's like very impressive that the movie is able to make you feel that strongly about them that I'm like I have to keep watching them. I obviously want to meet Jimmy, Inc. Like she seems really cool. She's great and obviously I don't like Sir Jimmy, but I think he's also like an excellent character and an excellent villain. One thing that I really appreciate it really hitting home is the danger of someone claiming that they're being told what to do by an outside source like him having an old Nick in his head. It's just it's this playbook you see it over and over again of like I'm absolved of all of my actions because this like I'm receiving them from someone else. Exactly. It's the responsibility lies with his force like greater than myself and how that is like tempting in so many ways on so many levels, but like it's just the most dangerous thing. It's one of the most dangerous things. Yeah. And through that like in this movie and all these movies, especially this one like fear and like violence and aggression have like really big. They like spread out really wide very quickly, but he takes this like long slow journey with the Dr. Kelsey character of like empathy and like hope being impactful for one person for forever. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that is like relatable to me when you feel powerless about the whole world. It's like but he locked in on like in the first movie, the mother character and Spike and this movie Spike and Samson and like change their lives forever. Even if it's not like the whole world. But that can also has have its own ripple effects. Yeah. And is more reasonable of an expectation for yourself. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I really I'm like these movies are really beautiful. I'm like really I find them to be really effective. Yeah. And I want to watch I want to watch this one. I want to see Killian Murphy homeschooling. See freaking Killian Murphy and see Killian Murphy and Spike together. And so and so Dan why for you and also just objectively correctly is 28 years later better than this one to be. Well this one I felt an emptiness in the spike character. He's really passive. He in a way that's like I understand why he'd be passive, but you don't spend a lot of time with his emotional journey. You don't revisit his family and that like Island in a way that is. I hope they come back in the third. That is my hope to it be a very weird. I also feel like we're due further explanation of his father. Yeah. You know in this journey of like what trauma does to you in the cycle of violence and empathy instead and I want like more from. I read something that said 28 years later is like focused on family and what it means to be family and this one is focused on good and evil like. And that third one is focused on redemption. And so it's like if we don't get. We have to get redemption. Aaron Taylor Johnson. We need it more than now more than ever now more than ever. As far as my like expectation that first movie ends with the Jimmy's being like these like parkour badass like fun. You know I knew they were going to be like dark and evil, but I was expecting a little more action more more fun and games. Fun and games and it's really we'll see how they pay off Samson in the third one. But simply Samson simply had to be the one to kill Sir Jimmy. I was it drove me crazy that he wasn't the one that comes in and like tears him apart. Yes, I did have that as well where it's set up so clearly to be like everyone's congregating in one place and Samson could come in and just see. You know, Kelsen in danger and just lay waste to the Jimmy's. But I feel like it doesn't happen, but. That's not what Kelsen would do and perhaps there's something to the humanity that has been restored in Samson that that's like showing us a different path for him. Yeah, I wanted to see him roof him apart though. I think you're going to do the charity scene like. Right, we need we need a fitting. It seemed violence for the sake of violent and it doesn't really like you don't get any sort of poignant reason that it doesn't get payback for them. And you don't get any reason that it happened other than just like for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yuck and Sammy your turn. Now if you could speak as fast as possible. Dan spoke far too slowly so he loses. I would say that I think 28 years later is the better movie. I agree with that. I enjoyed the Bone Temple more. I think because it was very funny and unexpected and I was just felt like I was on a roller coaster and I loved Kelsen. I loved Ray Fiennes performance in it. I mean, obviously he's great in the first one too. But yeah, I think it's just it was just more my vibe because I do like violence and gore and I it was gratuitous. I get that but I always ask for movies to go harder and I feel like this one did and so I'm not going to be mad about it. I refuse to be mad about it. Fair. Two excellent points. You're both correct. Wow. You both win. It's impossible. It's impossible. Yeah. You got a participation trophies. She's both. But these two movies had two of the I don't like keep a list, but I would say the two most memorable scenes of movies. I've seen that like the the the Iron Maiden scene in this one and the crossing the bridge chase scene. Oh my God. They're playing the poem in the first one. I like two of the coolest movie scenes I've seen in a really long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I love them. I love them both. I think the next one better be Predator style Samson and Jim Killian Murphy's character. Oh my God. Oh my God. His name is Jim. Is that Jim? That is confusing. Yes. I think it is Jim. That is confusing. Oh yeah. They're really into the Jim names aren't they? Because isn't isn't fucking Aaron Taylor Johnson's character named Jamie, which that's confusing. Okay. Alex. Two by Jay names. Let's get you a name book. Alex. Come on. Alex. Wow. What are we fucking better get a third movie? I'm going to riot. Are we so mad? I'm so freaking pissed off. But what an absolute thrill. I feel so lucky to have gotten these movies and to be able to talk about them with my friends. Yeah. This has been a what a treat. What a thrill. Dan, thank you so much for joining us again. Thank you for having me. Dan. Absolutely. Excellent. These are for sure like my favorite. I haven't seen 28 weeks later. I'll say that, but like if you don't think anybody really likes it, it's not. It's definitely the worst of all of them, but I think it's still worth the watch. I don't want it to color my love for the series, but of any like property that I think this and scream would be my two favorites. Oh, fun. Yeah. Honored to be thought of when these movies come out. When we get a third, when we get a third. Thank you. You're the first call. Yeah. Always the first call. The nation is calling for you. Yeah. Dan, where can our listeners find you if they don't already know? Let's see what I would like to plug. I guess right now I'll plug. If anyone here consumes Twitch, I'm on twitch.tv slash bossbug KC Thursday, nine to seven PM. I play video games as this character King Cockroach that was created by my friend Tom who is a director on the BBS and Buh-Head TV show and Carl Jensen. I play video games and character and have guests on. That's a fun time. 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