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We have with us Tara McGowan of Courier Everything, Courier Worldwide, Courier Global and Universal, also a birthday girl. Happy birthday, Tara. How are you? Thank you, David. I'm 40. I'm focused on anything other than the political news cycle. No, just kidding. Well, that's a sign of the wisdom of age there, Tara. And we have with us Simon Rosenberg, Mr. Hopium, the inventor of the Hopium Chronicles and a source of optimism and good cheer for Democrats for many years now. How are you doing, Simon? Good, David. It's good to see both of you. It's good to see you. It's always good to see you. It's therapeutic. Here we are. Let me just throw a few questions at you in no particular order. Will the Democrats fold on ICE and DHS? I'll let Simon take that one first and then I'll rebuttal. Well, let me just – we're recording on – Tuesday. Tuesday. Yeah. And let me – I just want to reflect about what's happening on the Hill today because I think it's – and I'll answer it indirectly. It is – it feels like something changed this week in Washington. And I know that we're constantly hoping to gain a little bit of ground and their thing gets a little bit weaker. and Trump's hold on his thing gets phrased a little bit more. But if you look at what's happening in the Hill today, number one is the House Republicans have been unable to pass what's called a rule on a vote they want to do this week because Speaker Johnson is trying to put in this poison pill that prevents there from being any votes on any tariff legislation. And that failed this morning. And it still failed as of this afternoon. and there are at least three Republicans that are not going along and they can only afford to lose two. Now, he may end up getting a deal done here and getting them to back off. But if he can't pass this tariff prevention poison pill that he's been passing again and again and again, there's going to be a flood of discharge petitions coming out against the tariffs in the next few days, similar to what Tim Kaine did in the Senate. And this is all of a sudden you could see kind of a rebellion against Trump on the tariffs in the House, which is something that kind of came out of nowhere in the last few days and is another sign of the struggle I think Trump is having right now to control his own conference. The second thing is the Epstein story has exploded. And it's clear now, given the last set of releases, that they have failed in containing the story. It's now gone global. Foreign leaders are falling. Elites are falling all around Europe. We've had some prominent Americans fall in their jobs. Lutnik got crushed in the Senate hearing today, admitted that he lied, essentially lied about his relationship with Epstein. And all of a sudden, the Epstein thing is starting to feel a lot more dangerous than it felt even a week ago. because we've also had Tom Massey yesterday got the DOJ to admit that there are actual documents implying that there are co-conspirators, meaning that there can be potentially prosecution and investigations down the line of people close to Trump. This is obviously something they've been avoiding like crazy because they want to keep trying to put it behind them. And then the third thing is that we had the first of two very prominent hearings on ICE today in the House. The Senate will be holding one. And here you have Republicans holding hearings, you know, oversight hearings on ICE and DHS, which was kind of unimaginable even, you know, a few weeks ago. But because of the tragedies in Minnesota and because the public, you know, sort of having this exploding and their opposition to this, all of a sudden on the Hill today, David, and I know that we're always, you know, I try to see the glass half full. I feel like today the Republican thing looks very wobbly and struggling under their own weight of their awfulness and their depravity. And so I start this discussion today feeling like somehow there may be some – we may be hitting a critical mass. I don't want to overstate it, right, because I don't – but this is a really ugly day for them on multiple fronts. deserved, welcome, and we got to take the wins when they come. So Tara, now that you've turned 40, perhaps you can help interpret this. But I took the fact that he gave us four happy things and didn't once answer my question as a sign that he thinks the Democrats will fold. I'll respond to Tara. It's why I wanted the D.C. Insider to go first, David. I say, I say, I say. So, no, I mean, everything that Simon said is accurate, even though he did not answer the question. Yeah, I am deeply concerned that Democrats will cave. And just to connect some of the dots to what Simon was saying, they are – Republicans are under enormous pressure and scrutiny right now. They are on the defense on multiple fronts. However, we know that Trump himself refuses to do anything on his own accord that he thinks would make him seem weak or as though he had lost a deal. And so it would really require, in my opinion, John Thune and others in the Republican caucus in the Senate to deflect from Trump because I don't believe that Trump feels enough pressure to concede on the demands that Democrats are making on ICE. I think that they would potentially concede on some, but not all. Democrats are once again in a position where if they don't win all of their demands, they're going to look weak again. And because the president and the administration and the DOJ and Republicans who are all complicit are very weak in the defensive posture right now on Epstein, I just think that's going to make them more bullish on the things that they feel like they can control to try to get the narrative back on Democrats being weak. I think it's just a really tough spot that Democrats are in because we know Schumer is not going to want to shut this government down. Even though I personally believe that is the right thing to do and to connect these dots all together, we do not have a functional criminal justice system in this country right now. Right. That is the thing that connects these dots between what happened with ICE and the murders of Renee Good and Alex Preddy. And what's happening with Epstein is that there are massive cover ups by this administration, by this Department of Justice, while we are watching justice systems work the way they are supposed to in other countries around the world. And so that would be the call that I would make if I were Chuck Schumer is shut it all down if every demand is not met, because we have to restore criminal justice in this country and rule of law. Will they do that? I highly doubt it. Well, David, and so to answer your question, is that I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, to be really honest, I mean, I think this all came together very quickly. I don't think this was kind of a big strategy. I think they threw their you know the 10 plan together that came out of the Senate and House which is frankly you know pretty ambitious given previous iterations of these kinds of things and was thoughtful And I think the senators and House members worked on it What I heard is that they themselves wrote pieces of it and were very involved. And so far, the Senate Democrats are incredibly unified on sticking together and not passing the appropriations bills for DHS without significant reform. And I think that that's the battle now. And as Tara said, of course, the Republicans are not even, the Republicans are treating this, they're not even treating this like there's a negotiation, right? They're saying, we're just going to pass a new CR. This is where they are now. And let's see what happens in the next few days. There's no negotiation happening. And they're going to pass a new, they're going to introduce a new continuing resolution to, I don't know for how many weeks, they haven't announced that yet, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks to buy more negotiating time. And that's when the Democrats are going to have to decide whether they, you know, let DHS shut down and for how long. And we're going to, that will become, we're going to know that in the next 48 hours. And I just don't know what's going to happen. But I will tell you, based on reporting and also conversations I've had, the Democratic caucus in the Senate is much more unified around standing their ground on this than they were in the previous shutdown that happened. I think that there's a sense of really true outrage. And on Thursday, right, the day that there has to be a vote because they're out next week in order to prevent DHS from shutting down, there's going to be a hearing about DHS and ICE in the Senate, which is going to be ugly, which is going to make it much harder for Democrats to do a deal on Thursday afternoon. So I think what I would advise everybody is that I think this is going to play out really for the next three years. But I think this is going to be playing out for months and months and months ahead of us in various forms. And we can get more into that, David, if you want to talk about it. But I think so far, the Democrats have been incredibly united. They have an ambitious plan. And so far, it looks like they're doing the right thing. And we need to keep pushing them to keep doing the right thing. Yeah, well, you looked like they were doing the right thing in December. Back, you recall when the other shutdown was going to happen, and then they said, well, no, we're going to do it this way so that we get all the extensions on the ACA subsidies. How are those going? I'm just wondering, because do we have that? Because they said this was their massive... No, David, we do not. We don't. Okay, well, I'm sure the strategy this time will work because they've learned from their experience, and I feel a lot better about it. But let me say two things, and one will lead us to the next question. One, I was listening to this Homeland Security hearing today, and anybody who wasn't listening, good on you, because there was nothing. This was Democrats giving speeches and Republicans giving speeches and the DHS people refusing to answer any questions. And it was- Just like Ghislaine Maxwell. It's a trend. Well, it is. And you wouldn't know what they think they can get away with it. Just like Scott Besson, you know, they just attacked. But they did have a common message on this shutdown. It was very clear. They said, well, if, you know, Democrats go ahead with their shutdown, we will be less safe as a country. Our borders will be less safe. There will be dangerous things happening. This is Democrats choosing to make America less safe. And, you know, it's not true, of course, but they are united on that message. And I just want to footnote that. Yeah. Ask anyone in Minneapolis if they feel more or less safe with DHS on their streets. Of course, of course they don't, because DHS is, you know, it's killing people. It's a Gestapo. And the whole country and world have watched that. Well, that's right. And, you know, I mean, it's so true that Bad Bunny could get up on stage during the Super Bowl and not mention it once, just say we should be kind to each other, we should love each other, and we should come together. And it translates into a big fuck you to the administration because everybody gets it. But I want to get to something that is buried in here that's more substantive. Now a bunch of the Republicans are talking about within all this that they want to link it to the SAVE Act. And they are really, really, it looks to me like that's the centerpiece. In fact, that's the only piece of their agenda. If you look at what the Trump administration is doing right now, the only thing the Trump administration is doing is trying to suppress the vote in November. Your comment, Tara, then Simon. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. 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Between Epstein and the ICE murders, the wedges that have been created amongst independents, less engaged voters and some Trump voters, we've never seen this deflection from the Trump base before. It's hard to measure. You can see just the outpouring of enthusiasm in the special elections where in, you know, multiple states over the past few weeks, we have seen districts that went for Trump by over 15, 17 points go swing to Democrats in runoffs in other elections. Like they know that they will lose the House and likely the Senate if there are free and fair elections this November. So they are doing everything they can. And the SAVE Act is not at all what they say that it is. It is absolutely attacking voter registration and making it more difficult for more people to register to vote and vote. That is what it is. And they also know that when the Supreme Court overturns the Voting Rights Act, which will happen this spring or summer, that they won't be able to be enforced quickly enough for the midterms. So they have to come up with another plan to be able to claim that these elections were fraudulent or stolen. I am of the worst case scenario belief that like if they can't get this job done in a surgical way, kind of enforcing nationalizing elections or taking away vote in mail and ballots across the board, that they will declare he will declare a state of emergency and cancel the elections because they don't have an actual strategic, legal, political way to get themselves out of the election. of the hole they've dug. Simon, does she sound paranoid to you? No, I think that. I love being called hyperbolic and then being proven wrong. No. Yeah, no, no. I agree with you 100%. I think it would be always a mistake to believe that with Trump, it's anything other than the worst case, right? I think that we've sort of learned that over the last 10 years, that it's always the worst case and to anticipate that. Yeah, look, I mean, they don't want to lose the election. There is a, I think it is, as Tara mentioned, you know, we should acknowledge that we've had remarkable electoral performances over the last year. And so congratulations, everybody who's been working on these races across the country. The two that she just mentioned, you know, we had more than 30 point swings from 2024 in rural red or in red districts in Louisiana and Texas. So this isn't even like swing districts. These are red districts in southern states where Democratic candidates saw more than 30-point swings. Yeah, they know, and this is why you're seeing the retirements coming out of the House. And obviously, they know, particularly in the House, that the likely scenario here is that we have a very strong win. The Senate, I think, is definitely up for grabs and is competitive. And they're going to do everything they can. Legally, you know, illegally, you know, and to prevent us from gaining power. And we have to recognize, you know, we have to anticipate that, I think. You know, Trump, I think the number one thing, though, we have to take away from that is that the best way to make it harder for them to do anything is by winning these elections by large margins, which just makes it much harder and continue to degrade Trump and delegitimize the regime, which is something that I think our leaders have to start getting more focused on. I think that there's been, we've sort of won elections and we've been legislating. I think there's this other muscle we have to create, which is what we're seeing created around Epstein, which is around degradation of Trump and delegitimization of the regime. We have to make them weaker and make it harder for them to be successful in any of the harmful things they're doing, including the meddling in elections. And I I think that, you know, but number one is we have to have the best possible performance in the elections and not allow any of the specter of any of the things they're going to do to prevent us from working as hard as we possibly can to have the election that we want. The second thing is the DNC and other organizations are starting to work in scenario planning around you know what to do if you know they try to do what he already done right I mean this isn a hypothetical Trump tried to overturn the election in 2020 So this is reasonable scenario planning And I think that we all come to learn more about what the family's doing to make that less likely in the coming months. Wait, the DNC? Is that a thing? They actually have really smart people working on election protection. And given that they have state parties that are on the front lines of all this working with governors, The Democratic Party infrastructure has an important role to play. They're not the only actor in this, but they have an important role to play in this in the months ahead. OK, so let me say one thing and then ask another question. One thing that the point I'd like to make on all of this is that it looks to me like the Trump administration is taking a very thoughtful, multi-tiered approach to invalidating the elections, putting their thumb on the scale. Right. So they have the SAVE Act. They've got Tulsi Gabbard and a kind of crazy plot to say that foreigners are messing with our elections, which should give them emergency powers. Trump's always looking for emergency powers. They've got troops in the streets which are doing this. They've got state level things where they're trying to suppress the vote. And, you know, they're forging ahead on all these fronts. And, I mean, are we up to that? Are we able to deal with that? We are up to that because this is one of the most heartening things I feel like we've all collectively witnessed and experienced over the past number of months is that their fear-mongering tactics are not working. They are not keeping people home from voting, from pouring into the streets, right? The number of people that came out and signed up. indivisible did a online training for um uh for witnesses to ice to be to to be folks that are going to witness and observe ice after alex preddy's murder and they had 200 000 people sign up they had 80 000 people on this foot webinar um people are ready to show up to fight to protest to vote and they are scared shitless excuse my language like they don't that's why they have to play this three-dimensional chess over what are all of the ways we can shut this down. And we do know that they have these worst-case scenario plans, and we have to pre-bunk that because people are onto them now. It's all on the surface. Their fear is on the surface, and we have to exploit that. And that's not typically a comfortable position for folks on the left to do, but it is a position of power and strength that we have right now. So I am very confident if we can have elections. And if there are some good Republicans like there were in 2020 who hold the line, the constitutional line with their state electors and their elections, then we will see a tsunami like we've never seen. That is what they're scared of. That's what they're expecting. Could they throw this off? Yeah, I think. Let me just make a couple of quick points. Number one is we always have to remember that elections are still run at the state levels and many of the battleground states that will determine control, we control the elections in those states. And so it is this idea that he can just sort of cancel the elections is it's not our system isn't built for that to be easy. And we've learned that federalism has been a bulwark against Trump's ambitions from the beginning. And I think that we have to be, this is part of the reason why I think we have to be very precise in the way that we describe what it is they may do. But I want to just build on what Tara was saying, because I think it's really important about people having clarity on this and are taking action against it. I do think that one of the things our movement has to do now, and I want to really praise Courier today, who put out the most comprehensive map of the detention centers that are being built and planned. I featured it heavily in Hopium Today. It was excellent work by Cameron, I guess is his name, right? And the important thing about this is that part of our movement, in addition to March 28th and the No Kings rally, is we have to use the building of these detention centers as a rallying cry all around the country. We cannot allow these detention centers to get built. This has to become a universal project of the entire pro-democracy family because we know what happens if they get built. They're going to get filled. And we've already seen what happens, that they're not just targeting criminals. I mean, this is the big lie. They're going after undocumented immigrants. They're going after legal immigrants. They're going after people with temporary protected status. They're going after journalists. They've already crossed the line of detaining journalists and people that they consider to be their political opponents. We know from history that if these detention centers get built and they spend the billions and billions of dollars that they're planning, they're buying up these buildings for 70, 100 million dollars to try to retrofit them. If these things get built, then you're going to see ICE supercharged all around the streets. Because part of the argument I think we have to make is we not only want to rein in ICE, we want to narrow their targets down just to criminals and leave the rest of us alone. And we have to start delegitimizing all of this. If they're only deporting criminals, they don't need all these extra detention centers. They don't need all this extra money. They don't need the 10,000 extra agents. They don't need masks. They don't need masks. They don't need masks. They don't have warrants. And I think that this fight, I'm with you, Tara, is that I think this fight is very consequential. And we have to lean, we have to do more than rain and ice. We have to block the building of these detention centers. This is a urgent national crisis in the United States. And I think that you're seeing, you know, more and more people come to understand the gravity. Because we just learned, frankly, your own reporting today, Tara, is that we didn't really know until the last 48 hours that the ICE has been buying up, you know, so many of these facilities all around the country. These massive facilities that are going to be bigger than any jails in America, have more people in them than jails. Do we think they're going to have adequate sanitation and food and people who are well-trained to take care of the families that go in there or medical care? No, these things are gulags and they're treating people like shit and inhumane conditions all across the country. And to me, this is becoming the next big test, David, you asked about whether we're going to fold. this issue of whether or not the national party and the national family is going to make the stopping of these detention centers central to our politics, where they're going up in most places is in red parts of the country. And there's enormous opposition coming from Republican mayors and Republican counties. They don't want these things in their districts. This has become a bipartisan thing to stop the building, these detention centers. This is another, I think, powerful tool we have to broaden our coalition as we head into the elections in 2026 and to do something deeply meaningful for our democracy. Okay. So is this the message then? I mean, we had bad money. We've got this. People are reacting. There's a cultural reaction. There's some bipartisanship to the reaction. They're overreaching. They're standing behind murdering innocent people and calling them terrorists. Is this the central issue? Because there's another set of big issues that people are talking about, one of which is that there is this billionaire class. They're ripping us off. John Ossoff, in his campaign speech the other day in Georgia, referred to them as the Epstein class, which I thought was a kind of a nice turn of phrase. And I hope he wins. I thought he presented himself well in that regard. But is that going to be an issue because I also see some Dems go, oh, don't be so mean to the billionaires. Starting a business can be overwhelming. You're juggling multiple roles, designer, marketer, logistics manager, all while bringing your vision to life. Shopify helps millions of business sell online. Build fast with templates and AI descriptions and photos, inventory and shipping. Sign up for your one euro per month trial and start selling today at shopify.nl. 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I have better ideas for you, sir I think this stuff is all really, really, really, really interconnected And I think we can't lose sight of that because as political strategists and people that have worked in politics and campaigns, et cetera, we tend to be like, what is the one issue? There are very few single issue voters in this country, and I would argue that there are none today and that these things are deeply connected. Our president was deeply involved in a pedophilia human trafficking ring that he is mentioned in more times than Jesus Christ is mentioned in the Bible or Harry Potter is mentioned in the entire Harry Potter book series. He is complicit He is a criminal They involved in the biggest cover in American history and now they are building death camps all over this country At the same time big tech and AI which were on the dais of his inauguration are building data centers that are also evoking massive protests in communities across this country. The more that they do, the more we have to fight back, and those physical emblems, the physical symbols of their cruelty, of their corruption, are really, really important, and potent for our movement. So I couldn't agree more with what Simon's saying about this. And I am really proud of Cam's reporting on this. He also is the one who built our Epstein database and he has just been crushing it on the reporting. But like giving these people this information and these tools so they can protest more meaningfully is so important because we are in that moment right now where we have to keep feeding the beast. They are on defense, they are weak. This is actually really, really powerful that we can stop this before it starts and give people more actions to take. And just to point out to everybody, if you want to look at it, go to couriernewsroom.com and look up detention centers. It does raise a specter, you know, that everything wrong in America is manifest in a giant white building someplace. Either it's a detention center or it's a super data center that's going to eat jobs. But, you know, we've got this sort of plague coming out, and we're seeing them pop up across the country. Do you, just as we enter into our last few minutes here, Simon and then Tara, do you have one or two voices that you're hearing right now, and you're going, yeah, they get this? This is a voice I like to hear. I'll answer that, but I want to just comment on something Tara said. Tara, I do think that the unifying theme, there's going to be some kind of, I agree with you that there's no dominant issue. And actually, Democrats have to be a little bit smarter about that, I think, you know, that we have to speak to people's broad concerns. But I think some version of they're for the oligarchs and we're for the people is going to be sort of the story, right, which is they're taking care of a couple hundred rich people, and we're fighting for everybody else. And that's the unifying theme behind the affordability work that we're doing and the healthcare that we want to fix. And, you know, this stuff, we're protecting our democracy and our freedoms and liberties while they're trying to take them away. So I do think we've got, I think what Tara said is really important. We are, we have a lot of running room right now. I mean, the polling just even in the last couple of days that we've gotten just this week, which is new, has been very, very bad for Trump showing downward movement. In the Economist UGov poll that came out today, he was minus 13 on immigration. That's been one of the polls where he's sort of stayed up close to 50, and he's now dropped 21 points on immigration, his signature issue in this high-quality poll. So I do think in terms of voices, I mean, it's interesting you say that. I feel like Representative Delia Ramirez, who I don't know, but who I have grown to admire, has been one of the most powerful voices for us on what's happening with ICE in the country. She's been remarkable. I also think there was a guy that I've been featuring whose name I don't even know who spoke at a town hall meeting in Surprise, Arizona against the detention center there who talked about, who read an article from 1945 about Americans going into concentration camps camps and about what had happened with the local population. I've been featuring this video again and again on, it's only a four minute talk, but it's one of the most powerful things that I've ever heard in all my years of doing this. And I think the other voices, David, are the voices or the actions being taken by the people of Minnesota that have been so incredibly inspiring. And I want to remind everybody as we think about ICE and immigration, that what they did in Minnesota was they stood up for their neighbors. They made the lives of these immigrants valuable. And one of the things that Democrats have to do in this fight against ICE is that we can't just be for reining in ICE. We have to be also for blocking the detention centers, But we need to focus ICE back on the criminals and leave the rest of us alone. And we have to defend the rights and liberties and freedoms of all immigrants, not just, you know, and I think this is a piece of the evolution of what's going to happen. That if we're really going to learn the lesson of the incredibly inspiring patriots in Minnesota, some of whom have lost their lives in these protests, that we are there there because they're standing by the immigrant community and they're protecting their neighbors. we need to have that same sensibility, I think, as we go forward. Tara? I have four, which is amazing because usually I struggle to find one. But I, shameless plug, started my podcast a few weeks ago called Gloves Off with the intention. It's great. Everybody, you know, go listen to it or back in. But I started it for selfish reasons. I wanted to talk to people that were actually emulating the kind of fight I believe we need right now because I do believe that that courage is contagious. And so the ones that immediately came to mind for me is one, my episode that drops next week is with Christopher Armitage, who if folks don't know, he writes my favorite sub stack right now. It's called The Existentialist Republic. Wait, wait, wait, wait. One of your three favorite sub stacks. I'm sorry. One of my many favorite sub stacks. Yes, you're all included. But I did not know Chris until I interviewed him last week, but I have been reading his newsletter for a number of months. And he has such a crystal clear understanding of things that could actually be done by state government officials to hold the federal government accountable. He is big on soft secession. And I just have learned so much. And it's just it's been really refreshing to have somebody out there who was a U.S. Air Force marshal, corrections officer, somebody who cares deeply about serving this country, did two tours and is a vet and is like absolutely putting forward ideas for state attorney generals and governors, et cetera, that I hope that they all pick up. It's just refreshing to hear ideas that could be moved while federal government is so impotent. The other ones quickly are Republican Congressman Tom Massey and Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna. We cannot talk enough about the Epstein files. This will be the downfall not only of this administration and regime, but of what I do believe is an incredibly, incredibly overdue fall of the patriarchal system in this country that has held us back. So not only now is it between the small group of rich people that this administration is enriching, they are evil. They are abusers. They are enablers. They are creeps. That transcends partisan politics. It transcends all of the other issues, and it is actually really, truly sinking in with more Americans that are not as politically engaged. Those two are doing the Lord's work, in my opinion, by continuing the drumbeat on the Epstein files accountability. And then the last one is kind of a weird one, but Scott Galloway, podcaster, business school professor, etc. I don't know him personally, but he has launched a campaign called Resist and Unsubscribe to get as many people as possible to unsubscribe from all of the companies, including Amazon and Netflix, that are aiding and abetting this administration. understanding that economic protest is what talks to these people. And I think that has been really cool to watch him just go from pontificating and podcasting into actually driving a call to action that people can latch on to that doesn't feel as political. So I am like drawing on a lot of hope from from those folks. Excellent. An excellent list of people. And I will just say my next column that I've got coming out a little bit later this week from the Daily Beast is the first column that they've asked me to do, handicapping the Democrats for the 2028 presidential race. And one of the punchlines that I am saying is there's a pretty good chance we don't know who it is. We don't know who the person is, because I think a lot of issues are going to emerge over the course of the next three years. They're going to take people who are standing in the shadows, people, some of whom, you know, like the people you're talking about here, and thrust them into the role of being a champion. And that's going to be very compelling. And, you know, as you guys have trained me, you know, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, three years out, nobody had any idea they were going to be the candidate. And so look for that. Go to the Hopium Chronicles. Go to Courier News. Come back in a couple of weeks. We'll be here. But, you know, keep coming back. We are so happy, so happy with the growth that we've got on our YouTube feed. So if you're not a subscriber, go to the YouTube feed. So happy with the number of people who are joining us as subscribers to the podcast. Go to the DSR network, sign up, be a subscriber, and support all of these things. I know it's a lot, but there are a number of good, important sites out there who are getting the message through. And if you want to figure out how to pay for it, go to all those mainstream media sites you were paying for that are now owned by billionaires who are feeding you lies and shift them into independent media. So until then, amen. Thank you, Simon. Thank you, Tara. Thank you, everybody. And join us again soon. Bye-bye.