BILLS SQUAD SHOW: Talking OURSELVES into offseason ideas: Taron to SAFETY? Tremaine back?

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Hope you're able to join us here live on YouTube. We stream all episodes on YouTube. It happens, you know. Life happens. We're all here. We're all glad to be here talking bills on this Thursday edition. Of course, we're twice weekly here. jeremy white joe marino and the big o jerry ostrovsky here how do i have short arms do people walk around knowing whether or not their arms are long or short you guys are football guys you probably know what percentile arms you have i don't know my arm length should i should i check it real quick i tell you if you care about arm length you think about it all the time all the time and i look at when i look at people not like at the grocery store but you know i was at the gym earlier today and i was lifting and i'm seeing different people and what they're doing and when When I see certain advantages and disadvantages that people have due to their length, I am definitely aware of it. But I definitely agree that I'm wired a little different. I look at people a little different. Every time I hear about arm length, I think of that Kristen Wiig skit on Saturday Night Live. He has little hands and arms. And that's what I think about. We're criticizing Ruben Bain for having sub-32-inch arms. And I just think about him walking around with these little tiny arms. But obviously, there's some other things that go into being a good football player than just arm life. Yeah, we're just like kind of still getting into the combine. It runs through the whole weekend. We're starting to get names of players the Bills have met with. Both the GM and the coach have spoken this week. So, and that's true of like every team. The coaches are talking. The GMs are talking. Prospects are talking. We're kind of getting to wide receivers and quarterbacks and offensive linemen who they're meeting with. 40 times are still coming for the fast 40 runners. So, the combine is still going on. And on Monday, we'll probably wrap up everything we learned from the combine. So far, guys, maybe the biggest news that's come out for the Bills is the things that they haven't ruled out, which, by the way, that's like a phrase of the combine. No GM ever rules anything out. Two might get traded. Two might get cut. Baker Mayfield's extension. Kyler Murray, you see there. And all the way down to, will the Bills consider Taron Johnson at safety? which Taron Johnson, how much of a problem do they have here right now? He has a big cap number and a big contract. And if they cut him, they don't really save that much. If it was a $10 million savings, I think you'd do it, but they save about two if they're to move on from him. So I feel like the safety conversation came up as a potential solution, right? All right. We don't have to cut him. We can put him somewhere else. how much do you give to this idea that they could they could basically reinvent him to be a fit in this defense in a different position go ahead jerry i did a pod on this man i got plenty to say but i want to give you first opportunity uh personally i don't know how you take a guy that has trouble being physical right now at this point in his career and put him in a position that'll leave me more physical as far as safety goes uh i just think you either play him a nickel or you move him um there's going to come a point in time where he can come in and do what they need him to do. And if he can't, then you're going to have to figure out a way to eat the $9 million, whether it's a cut, whether it's a, you know, a post June 1st cut, whether it's a trade. I personally think what the scenario is, let's try him there. If we're pleasantly surprised, okay, we'll keep him around because we do need some depth and we do need another safety. If he's not, you know, if he doesn't have the makings of playing safety, well, we've tried up to June 1st and then we release him and we get the break of the June 1st release. So that's the way I look at it. But me personally, I've told you guys this before. There's a point in time in every player's career when the body just does not want to do it anymore. And that's what I see out of Taron Johnson. and mentally he's still there. I just think his body's beat up. I think we see this pretty similarly, Jerry, and I'm concerned about Taron in the slot just as much as I would be transitioning him to safety. I don't feel super comfortable that it's going to work out with him going back and playing safety. He's never done it, right? He's never sometimes played safety for the Bills. He didn't, right? He was a slot corner that really served as a linebacker a lot of times as well, and so it's foreign to him, and throughout Taron's career, I never felt like he was a very comfortable player as routes elongated down the field. I just never felt like that was where it was comfortable. Plus, your angles are different at safety than they would be in the slot. But the most interesting part of what Brandon Bean said about this was he's a good football player, and so you never want to rule anything out if you think that's the best position for him after a couple of weeks with Jim. And that speaks to the assessment opportunity that they have during OTAs, in kind of April, May, knowing that if they can get to June 1st and they realize he didn't have it in the slot, the safety thing's not going to work out. Now we can get out of this deal. Now you still have to eat some dead cap, but if you release him after June 1st, you get $8.7 million in 2026 operating funds, just like that. There's your season stuff. There it is. That's everything you need to function in season. Now you do have 2.7 million dead cap this year and 6.7 next year okay fine like that's a consequence of it it is what it is the tradeoff I'll take the 8.7 right now um but I think that's what it comes down to this is a a few month opportunity to tinker see what Taron can do if you like it great he can help you potentially at safety you know if you go back to Denver with with uh what they did this past year they were pretty loaded in the secondary and they played Riley Moss and Pat Sertain as their outside corners they played Jaleel McLaughlin as their slot, and then they drafted Jaday Barron in the first round, right? It was their first-round pick. He really didn't play, except for they would situationally use him against tight ends. Maybe there's a similar role like that for Taron Johnson. So this sounds like, to me, we've got to figure out something. We're not sure he's going to be the every down slot player that he's been. We've got a commitment here. We can kind of get out of it after June 1st. Let's try some stuff, see what sticks, and if not, worst-case scenario, we get $8.7 million in operating funds for 2026 if we release him after June 1. because the problem with keeping him around, if he's not going to be a starter, is he better be a teams player. And I'm not so sure how much, how much he can help us in teams. So that's where the June 1st release comes into play. Yeah. When I, I first heard this too, like a number in the chat is saying like, this is not a thing. Like being was just trying not to step in. And that might be true. Like, again, it's like, don't rule anything out season. My first thought was, I don't believe you for a second. Like no way. He would be a pretty healthily paid safety. First off. Like I was looking at cap hits. I was looking at average annual value, like an $11 million safety is 14th or 15th for a guy that does not play that position. And I know cap hits can skew things, but his cap hit would be just above Kyle Hamilton for the position. And I'm just thinking like, come on, what are we doing here? That said, it does have me thinking about corner and safety overall. So far at the combine, we've seen a couple of corners say, yes, I've met with the bills, a safety or two. Yes. I've met with the bills. And, you know, guys, we've spent a lot of our time talking about how the Bills are going to be aiming for edge, linebacker, receiver, maybe defensive tackle, maybe guard. And corner is definitely there somewhere, especially with what happened with Dorian Strong and what's happened with, help me, the other guy that I'm thinking about because of safety, Jordan Hancock. Right. Like they took a couple last year, but I don't know how much they're going to feel like their secondary depth is ready. I'd expect a couple defensive backs in this draft. Absolutely. Like third, fourth, fifth, sixth round. I wouldn't expect in the first round though. Would you think it's that, that high of a need? No, I think you love what you have in Harrison and Benford as your corner tandem. It's one of my favorite parts about this defense moving forward. I love that pairing. I love the skill sets. I think it's going to be an exciting duo, but the reality is, well, has either one of them ever got through a season healthy? I mean, when's the last time the bills didn't have to tap into their third corner? It's a tradition like no other. And I know that maybe there's some dynamics of the previous coaching staff that plays into it. But ultimately, the Bills have been stressed to get into their corner depth every single year. And right now, they're not in good shape because you just don't know what's going to happen with Dorian Strong. It doesn't look very promising, to be honest there. And so you need to find a corner that you're comfortable with being one snap away from being an every-down player, and the Bills have to find that guy. I think the same way we're talking about Taron Johnson, and you've got to look at Trey White as well. How comfortable is Jim Leonard with Trey White to be a backup at the corner spot where maybe it doesn't put the stress on drafting one super high and or trying to go find one of a free agency? You've got to look at that as well because I do think Trey White played well enough this year to warrant being around or at least having a really good look to be around this season. They'd have to re-sign him, so that's the interesting thing about him. It's an expiring contract. They're going to bring back Trey White when that was like the kind of the poster child of Sean McDermott, right? Like his first draft pick when he was calling the shots and, you know, the kind of the quick glow up. It was it was kind of a McDermott thing. I I'm not against the idea of Trey White coming back. But to your point about Taron Johnson, if he's your third corner, he's got to play teams. You think Trey White's running down the field on. You're right. That's happening. You know, you're right. Yeah, that's very true. That's what's challenging. Yeah. Good call. The other topic, you know, anytime a former bill becomes available, we're going to talk about it. Like, listen, if you watch us and you think this idea is ridiculous, there are some that we might also think are ridiculous. But, hey, like everybody's got ideas. Tremaine Edmonds has been given permission to seek a trade from the Chicago Bears. He's entering the final year of a deal, carries a big cap number. Maybe he just gets outright released and is available for free. But going back in time, like the defensive switch obviously changes things. If they were still with Sean McDermott, maybe we think that Tremaine Edmonds could be an idea to come back. For this defense, let's start there. For this defense, is the type of linebacker that Tremaine Edmonds is a kind of linebacker they might be looking for? Well, Jeremy, you have to start every Tremaine Edmonds conversation by acknowledging that he's still only 22 years old. I think he's only 22. So now that we got those formalities out of the way, I think Tremaine Edmonds is a fit. I wouldn't call him a slam dunk fit. And I'm excited to hear from Jerry because I don't think we see totally eye to eye on Tremaine Edmonds. Well, let me add some context here because on Edmonds, he left. If we go back in time, you know, whether it's a bean pick or McDermott pick, like we've kind of gone through that on everybody. Right. They traded up for Edmonds in the Allen draft. They kept that extra first round pick. They wanted to keep that pick and then they move up for Edmonds. That was how much they valued him. And then throughout the entire process that he was here, they valued him a lot. He was super important. Joe, I feel like I can remember you talking about the way they talk about him, right? The way they talked about his work ethic and this and that, maybe he wasn't a perfect player, but when he left, they did want him back. He hit the market and the market just absolutely blew him out of the water. Like it was never going to be possible. And then if you think about the post Tremaine Edmonds, wasn't that a little bit seat of the pants? Like it's Tyrell Dodson. Maybe it's Terrell Bernard. We kind of don't know. And they found their way to Bernard. So I feel like I just want to paint that picture in the background when talking about how the GM might still look at him as a talent. So, Jerry, what do you think? He's not perfect. Could the GM still be enamored with this guy? It could be. But I look at Edmonds as the new wave. He was the new wave linebacker. He was the off-ball wheel linebacker that was moved to Mike because of his ability, you know, with the fact we're eliminating players from the box to play the spread. You got a guy that can run sideline to sideline and also play deep middle in covered situations. He's not a downhill linebacker to me. He's not a C-gap, get through it, blow it up behind the line of scrimmage. I think he's a chase down guy. If you bring him in and say, okay, you're going to play Will, you're going to play off ball, and you're going to see it and run it down like we have in Dorian Williams already, okay, that's what he does, or even maybe play Sam. But I don't think he's this dynamic, shoot gaps, make tackle for loss guy. I think he uses his length and his athleticism. He's really good at taking up space in the deep middle and passing situations, and he can run stuff down. But I don't think in a 3-4 hybrid, if we're talking about Joe Andreessen fitting or Dorian fitting, I don't see him being that guy. I see him as being big Terrell Bernard. And Terrell Bernard actually has more downhill splashability if we see that Terrell Bernard from a few years ago. But that's how I see Edmonds, big Terrell Bernard. I think Tremaine's a little bit better of a run defender than, than maybe Jerry's giving him credit for. I think because he's 250 pounds and with like 35 inch arms, I think we expect him to be a little bit more of an assertive downhill player. And so I can, I could, I will agree that he doesn't quite meet his frame. But I don't, I don't think he's man, Terrell Bernard, just, just, I, boy, I'd way rather have Tremaine Emmons firing downhill than, than Terrell. Tremaine Edmonds does turn 28 in May. So let's just acknowledge that. The challenge with this whole thing, whether you like Tremaine Edmonds or not, is that I think there's going to be a market for Tremaine Edmonds. I think there's a lot of contending teams that need a player like this. If you look at maybe the Rams or the Bucs, the Cowboys, I don't think the Raiders are a contending team, but they could use him. Tennessee Titans can use him. There's a lot of destinations that make sense. and Chicago would free up $15 million by trading or releasing Tremaine Edmonds. And so the benefit in trading for Tremaine Edmonds is you get him, right? If he hits the market, then it's up to him. I just don't feel like the bills are the right team to pay him in terms of just the amount of money it would take to get Tremaine Edmonds. I don't think he's going to get the $18 million per season he got when he first hit the market, but I think he's probably $12, $13, $14 million right now on the market. And I just feel like that's more than the bills need to be committing contract-wise to the middle linebacker position. And so that's kind of my biggest hang-up on the idea. It's not necessarily I don't like the skill set or I don't like Tremaine or anything like that. I think it's just too much for what I think the bill should invest at that position His cap hit this year is 17 and change And if you doing that you like you talking about here Joe you extending restructure You definitely extending I think because any restructure in the final year, you're adding whatever. So if you want to do that, you're making a little bit of a commitment. The, the second part of this, this conversation, maybe they're not absolutely directly tied in, but the bills have a Bernard problem in the same way. They have a Taron Johnson problem right now. Like if, if Brandon B could find someone to take Bernard, Did he pull the trigger on that immediately because he's not a fit in this defense? You got to pay him to take Terrell Bernard. So this is – that's the challenge with this is you would have to give Terrell Bernard and something good for someone to take him off your hands. That's kind of the challenge there. I think you got to find a way to salvage Terrell Bernard, and hopefully it's just a matter of like get healthy, dude, step one, and then we can figure it out from there. Because he did play in the 3-4 defense at Baylor, and he was a very good gap shooter. and I think there are elements of what Jim Leonard's going to want to do. I think about what Justin Sternod brought to the Denver Broncos as kind of a third linebacker over the last few years in Denver. I think that Terrell Bernard has the ability to be very similar, but if he's not healthy and he's not right, he's too limited otherwise to matter, right? Like as we saw this past year, so he's got to get healthy and then it's about trying to salvage him, but I do have a great concern about him living up to the contract that he signed and oh, by the way, it's year one of that deal starting this year. I think the downfall of Terrell Bernard was when Milano got hurt and others were hurt and he was out there by himself trying to do too much. And then he started dragging legs around and things like that, trying to play injured and everything else. I think, and at least I hope anyway, he's got a chance to get back to his old form in this new defense as far as getting downhill and making those TFL splash plays. but you know you can't ask him I think to do too much I mean I understand the contract and all that but I'm I'm kind of guardedly excited I'm guarded then I'm excited though with him that I think he can get that old form back because I think in McDermott's defense he was asked to do like a million things and he just looked lost all the time I think if he's seeing and going you know he's you know making the d-line right and going and getting downhill i think he's he's he's fine what you just said right there i think speaks to all of my excitement about where this defense is going i think sean mcdermott asked too much of his defensive players i really do and they didn't play fast and that's why they were so picky about having their guys right time on task reps players that they're familiar with because i think it is hard to play in that defense and when somebody kind of gets it or as close to getting it versus oh well we got to onboard somebody and get them up to speed, it's very difficult for them. And so I think this defense does simplify things. And I think it will ask guys to do less. And hopefully that unlocks more playmaking. And some of the guys that maybe haven't quite been consistent or met expectations can maybe take a step here under Jim Leonard as things are simplified. Bill's squad show here talking defense, of course, Tremaine Edmonds, Taron Johnson is just ideas here. The Bill's meeting with a number of defensive prospects at the Indianapolis combine as well. When we return, I want to switch things to the offense. I've seen a suggested trade price for AJ Brown from some Philly insiders. Also in Pittsburgh, they're reporting that the Steelers are pursuing Brian Thomas Jr. And that they did the deadline as well, which kind of throws some logs on the fire that the bills might be in that market as well. We'll tackle those two conversations and also get your comments here on the bill squad show. This episode of Bill Squad brought to you by Fandle. 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Play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Back here on the Bill Squad Show, Jeremy White, Joe Marino, and the big O, Jerry Ostrowski. All right, guys, so some trade ideas. Combine time is trade time. In fact, we saw a trade today with the Jets trading Jermaine Johnson to the Titans, forward to Andre Sweat, who goes to the Jets. And I've seen immediate fallout of this is that Jermaine Johnson was with the Jets when Robert Sala was there. So those two reunite, and that this kind of paves the way for the Jets to take a pass rusher number two overall, which I feel like they were already going to do that, right? It wasn't consensus number two, an edge rusher. So instead of having Jermaine Johnson there as well, they get a defensive tackle from Tennessee. The one little Bills element to this that I wondered, it made me wonder if the Bills had called on Jermaine Johnson at the deadline because, you know, we know they were hunting with some divisional opponents and we know Jalen Waddell, and there seemed to be a suggestion that maybe another division opponent as well. And Quinn and Williams did get traded. I wonder about defensive end if they were trying to get Jermaine Johnson. So anyway, would that have been a good idea? I like Jermaine Johnson. I think he'd be a good addition to the football team. I wonder if the call was about Garrett Wilson, and they said kick rocks, right? Right, right, right. I think the Bills angle for me on this deal is, if there's anything I kind of like about the Jets roster, it's their interior defensive line. they have uh johan briggs who's a good-looking young player that really came out of nowhere they traded for him like a couple days before the season i thought he was a stud and they have harrison phillips and they have tamandre sweat now does this mean that harrison phillips is a candidate to be released and there's another nose tackle that hits the market that would be a really good fit for the defense and one that i i think would be you talk about bill's reunions i think harrison phillips would be a really good one so um that's that's my thoughts on that i had somebody asked me if the Bills should have been in on trading for Devondre Sweat. I mean, he definitely would fit the nose tackle need that the Bills had, but there's a lot of questions about Devondre Sweat, a lot of questions. I mean, this guy got a DWI three weeks before the draft in 2024. And there's a lot of reports that I believe out of Texas about just who he is as a teammate, what Byron Murphy has said about him. The Titans couldn't wait to get rid of him. I think there's a package that exists with Devondre Sweat. You can get really excited about how big he is and how good he is at defending the run. But there's a lot more to it, and I don't find myself upset that the Bills didn't explore this one or get a trade done for Devondre Sweat. I agree. I mean, that's right in line with the franchise. You're not going to bring those types of problems in, but I also think there's a lot of nose tackles out there. Yes. Harrison Phillips would be fine, but there's a lot of guys that can play the run that can't rush the passer. Right. That are probably a lot cheaper. Yes. Yes. I would I would say and I think it's imperative, though, that they do this. They need that big body. If you want to free up Ed, you got to get that bigger body in there to let Ed get freed up. And they're going to have to find somebody because they don't, it's not, believe me guys, I want to say this again. So please hear me when I say this, just because he's six foot seven, 355 pounds does not mean that Deion Walker is a run stopping nose guard. he is a lateral player that uses length more than he uses his size i'm not knocking him i'm just saying that's not his gig that's why we need to get that type of player in here because you see that repeatedly just because he's big doesn't mean he's a he's a run stopping nose it's probably the worst thing he does good news a couple hours ago on this year podcast feed i did a podcast that covers nose tackle options for the bills and free agency wow i covered several of them that we're all projected to be less than $5 million a season. So there's some good candidates out there that would make some sense for the bills. Who's your favorite? Oh man, I liked them all. I, so the guys I talked about DJ reader from the lions, I talked about crisis Tonga from the Patriots, Roy Lopez also from the lions and one other player whose name is completely escaping me. DJ reader. He's been around, right? He's bounced around a couple of different teams in Cincinnati at one point. Where, where's he started off in Houston. Then he went to Cincinnati, and then he spent the last couple years with Detroit. 32 years old. He gives you some pass rush juice. He'll be probably the most expensive of the nose tackles that I just went through. Greg Gaines is the other one that I mentioned out of the box. Can we get a Tongan or a Samoan or something to play nose? Price is Tonga, baby. That's what I want. That's what I want. You hear Conor McGovern talk about blocking Tonga? He's the toughest guy he had to block this year, man. I'll be the first one to get that jersey, dude. That's all I ask for. If I get that done, he's probably happy. He's going to sign a one-year, $3 million deal. Jerry's going to get the autographed jersey custom. I'm sure there's somebody in BYU or somewhere we can draft. I just need one. I just need one Tongan, one Samoan. I'll be happy. That's free agents. On some trade chatter at the Combine, Brian Thomas Jr. and Andrew Filippone in Pittsburgh are reporting his sources, telling him the Steelers are talking to the Jags about Brian Thomas Jr. and that they did at the deadline as well. you know we thought the bills might have been after brian thomas jr as well at the deadline i don't know what the price would be on that it might be the exact same price as aj brown where in philly i saw a pair of insiders suggesting that it would be a second round pick now a second round pick goes from 33 all the way to what like 64 and one of the things about the draft you just kind of put a this x pick on it like it's pretty big swath real quick though real quick i'm sorry I would definitely trade me for A.J. Brown. I would damn sure. Oh, because you're number 60? I would damn sure make that deal. But go ahead. What do you think, Joe? Would we? Bill Scott, you, me, and A.J. Brown? Just talking bills. I don't know, man. That'd be tough to get that. I like what we do. I'm sorry to interrupt. That's all right. 60th pick for A.J. Brown. Yay or nay? It's a yay for me. I think that he immediately provides what the bills are missing in an X receiver. You're taking on $7 million in 2026 cap. And, you know, he's got three years left on his deal. You probably have to deal with him for two. I think he'll be on good behavior. I'm down with it. I think if you want premium talent, this is a pretty unique way to do it. And I do believe that a second round pick is probably enough to get it done. I think this is the exact same scenario as Stefan Diggs when he was traded out of Buffalo. Literally the same thing. But AJ Brown's entering year one of a three-year, $96 million deal. Stephon Diggs was entering year one of a four-year, $90-something million deal. The Bills took on $30 million in dead cap. The Eagles are going to take on $43 million in dead cap, and it got done for a two. And I think it's the exact same thing. And maybe if you're the Bills and you have to give them a lower two, remember the Bills traded it, got a two the next year, right? They didn't even know how high that second-round pick was going to be from Houston. So maybe it's, is it Keon and your 20, 27, two would they, if they would take 60, I'd do it right now, but they might say, yeah, well, we'll take your 20, 27, two instead. So I'm curious to see how it all comes together, but I think it's exactly the same parallel as what the bills do with Stefan. If there are parallels, Jerry, I guess a big question I would have is are the bills gun shy about a potential finger quotes here headache. And my new favorite point to make is that the last two years wide receiver has been a headache without any single guy being a headache. So, you know, pick your headache. I really wonder if they would be gun shy because of what happened with digs. We got somebody in the comments saying like the digs trade is an L. I mean, well, I think it's like the second best move being ever made because it took them to another level. So are they scared off of a receiver that is good? but finger quotes, is he worth the trouble? Who's the person having the potential headache, right? We've talked about this a little bit before. I think Sean McDermott's one of those guys who wants no issues. Joe Brady, I mean, he's faded up, lined up, chained up. He's out there, man. I mean, the way he's rolling right now, he's carefree and easy, right? So bring him on, whatever. So I would think Joe Brady wouldn't have any problems. I'm with Joe. the first thing a guy that's kind of been labeled a malcontent does when he shows up in a new place is be on best behavior so he'll be on best behavior for the next couple years before he starts breaking books out on the sidelines but i i would go with this i mean a second round pick for aj brown come on that's a no-brainer um i think the guy that really needs to to call us up a little bit is the guy taking snaps if somebody out there that's a wide receiver's running his mouth. He needs to show up and be like, look, you're going to either do this or that's it. I mean, this is a different situation than what he's got in Philly. The guy taking snaps in Buffalo can continuously get him the ball. The guy that's throwing punts in Philadelphia, that's a different story. He said he threw punts. Boy, Jalen Hurts is the most frustrating quarterback to watch in the league. Sometimes he looks like he might be the MVP of the NFL. Sometimes he looks like he can't even, he looks, he looks horrible. My best friend and I, We have a relationship. We don't even talk about it anymore. It's gotten so contention between me and him. He's a big Hurts guy, and I'm not. We don't even talk about it. We just glaze over it. They fire their offensive coordinator every year in Philly. Every year their offense is frustrating. I don't know, guys. I feel like the common denominator would be if Hurts looks good for three or four weeks, I think they might have three or four weeks of really good game plans, and then a defensive coordinator throws something new in there, and they've got to figure it out. If you keep having those problems in your streaky, I think it's the quarterback that is the problem. He's got a Super Bowl win, so flip a coin. Is it a good plan this week or not? Because I don't feel like he's going to be the quarterback that elevates past it. Again, we are at the top of the food chain here talking Josh Allen, so I just feel like you're kind of living and dying with whether or not the scheme is good because he does not – I guess he doesn't supersede scheme enough. Is that fair? You could say he's good, but he's not the one that's going to do that. But the point I want to make real quick is the guys that are grumpy like Brown, they're usually really good. And they're grumpy for a reason. As long as they're getting fed, it'll be all right. But, you know, I think that's a different story. You mentioned Joe Brady's now the guy in charge dealing with a headache. He did say this week, I don't think on his wide receiver room, I don't think they played to the point I'm getting a lot of the questions about. He gets asked about receiver a lot. And he's defending his room. You know, coach going to defend his players. But he said, I don't think they played down to the level where I'm getting all the questions. And he also echoed Brandon Beans, one of his go-to lines about how when you're playing the quarterback, when you're paying the quarterback a lot of money. And I know all three of us, and I feel like the entire mafia now, is done hearing that talking point. I want to take it one step further with Brady. hearing him say that was disappointing because one thing Joe Brady in time he'll get there guys he's gotta at some point be his own guy like we have to see I know alignment is huge we want alignment we want alignment okay great I gotta see you be your own man at some point and when he said that I thought like man that is just straight from the GM's mouth and I saw all the comments underneath it was John Scott Spectrum News who posted that clip all the comments underneath were Oh, okay. Bean's pulling the strings. Brady's the puppet. He's just saying whatever the GM wants. Like Brady's got to shed that. And as soon as he does, I don't know what he's going to do to shed it, but man, be your own guy. And to say the exact same thing, the exact same talking point that I think is a bad one was troubling. I didn't like it at all from the coach. No, I thought it was horrible. And he learn soon enough not to be a soundbite And right now he continuing to be a soundbite But again this goes back to when he made the comment about the best thing that ever happened to Keon Coleman as I his head coach Situational maturity, right? You've got to have that situational maturity. I talk about a player with situational awareness, same kind of thing in his case, situational maturity. He's got to learn what to say and not to say. And you're right. I mean, at some point, be your own man. And also, I'm the OC before. Now I'm the head coach. Like I can't be calling my quarterback out for making too much money. And basically before we even go to OTA saying, well, you're going to get what you get because you take too much money. Josh already takes less than he should. You should probably be the highest paid player in the league, but you know, it's something he's going to have to learn to, to, you know, don't, don't say those things, man. Cause they're going to take them from. He's got a one. He's learning. He's learning on the job, right? This is rookie head coach. He's going to take his lumps. Right. And I, I don't know if he realizes it or not, but it's definitely perceived pretty poorly. And I think Jerry makes a good point about at what point is Josh Allen? Like, yo guys, how long, how many times are you going to say this? It's kind of ridiculous. As I've said before, the least of the bills problems is how much they pay Josh Allen. Cause none of it matters without it. Not a single thing. So it's a privilege to pay Josh Allen and figure it out. You've got the number one thing in the whole world figured out. You're going to be okay. And I would like to see that talking point disappear pretty quickly here. They're lucky he's a harmonious guy because some of the dudes I played with in the past, the first thing they've done is called up and been like asking the agent like, hey, you might want to remind them what I'm really worth. Go ahead and give them a call and tell them I'm not going to be around for a couple weeks and see how that goes over. They're lucky that he's the way he is because if he wasn't, it probably wouldn't be, wouldn't be nice. Bill squad show talking trade ideas, combine all that good stuff. Of the two ideas, let's, let's call it the same price. AJ Brown or Brian Thomas Jr. for the 60th pick. I mean, Brown is, of course, has been more accomplished. Brian Thomas Jr. comes in really cheap on the cap for two years. I don't know if the 60th pick would do it. You get two years of a rookie deal and the fifth year option. What's the better of the two ideas? I do Brian Thomas Jr. I think A.J. Brown's a better player that would help the Bills more right now. But I want the guy that turns 24 in October that's cheaper. You have more control. He gives you – I think he probably gives you more verticality than A.J. Brown. So I would lean towards Brian Thomas Jr. for sure. And the other thing is this, and I can't remember where I heard this, but I agree with it. Guys like A.J. Brown, Dez Bryant, those bigger receivers, there's no gradual ending. When it's done, it's done. And I think you have that situation with A.J. Brown. Really, how long are you really going to get those optimum years out of him? Yeah. Well, that'll lead us into what we're going to get to next. A lot of ideas out there, and, you know, sometimes we have to talk ourselves into one. You know, this is the time of year. You're going to have a draft pick. You don't like it. 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Preemptively talking about something we'll have to be talked into. into right now as the off season's just about to get started a little over a week away from legal tampering trade seasons upon us there was a trade today between the titans and the jets um you know any position guys i'll have to talk myself into blank who wants to lead us off jerry let's let's have you go i don't i i don't have i don't have anything with that you don't have anything no not right maybe by the end of the segment he will i'll go yeah maybe a segment i I thought you had one about like a rookie next to Dion or something. What was it? Oh, we already talked about that. All right. Joe. All right. Here's, here's my, I'll have to talk myself into, and I gotta be careful here. Cause I, I tend to get these things, you know, whenever I put this kind of stuff out there, the sound bites live and people want to remind me. I I've been well reminded of my stance on Dan Walker before the 2025 draft. You're going to have to talk me. I got to build this up a little bit. The Kansas City Chiefs are picking ninth in this year's draft. Cincinnati Bengals are picking 10th. The Baltimore Ravens are picking 14th. You're going to have to talk me into the Bills trading meaningful 2027 draft capital. We've been hearing all about how good this class is next year. Premium, top-of-the-line talent, which only means that other good players get pushed down the board. but I am optimistic about the Bills. I'm excited. I'm intrigued. There's a part of me that fully recognizes that this could be a horrible season. Rookie head coach, a new defensive coordinator, a lot of transition, more needs than I could ever remember. A team that's in your division just went to the Super Bowl. There's some up-and-coming teams in the conference. You are lying to yourself if you don't think there's a chance that this could be a bad season for the Bills. I'm not predicting it. I'm not expecting it. But I'm also not going to give away my high pick in 2027 under the assumption that we're just going to be the same caliber team we've always been. So I'm not predicting that the Bills are going to crash and burn this year. But between being aware of other AFC powerhouses picking in the top half of the first round, the transitions happening in Buffalo, I would be very nervous about giving up my 2027 first-round pick. Charlie immediately writes in the chat, being standing 27 picks since i hope it's pick 32 you know listen if if you speak these things into existence i'll go online right now and print out my carnell tate jersey receipt make sure this happens um you don't want to get rid of the safety net right because good teams have bad years and atlanta when they trade that future first i mean that's atlanta it's a little different maybe they shouldn't have been so bold but that's a what the what are the rams pick is it 12th it's 13 And if Cousins doesn't come in and win a bunch of games at the end, they won four in a row to close out the year, that might have been a top eight, top seven pick. Right. Fair. All right. I'll give you mine. I'll have to talk myself. I do have one. You do yours first, and I'll give you mine. I'll have to talk myself into DJ Moore as an idea. DJ Moore is expensive on the contract. and I will be afraid. I feel like it's a little different than AJ Brown. DJ Moore to me is he was about to be toast. And then Ben Johnson goes in and everybody can just, everybody works in a Ben Johnson offense. And what is DJ more immediately one year after like a Dunze and Bert? He's expendable now expendable. And I worry about that. Like if the Eagles trade AJ Brown, they're doing it without a guy to replace him. They don't, that's, he's not expendable. They would be making a decision like a cap and DJ more. I feel like the bears were like, we're good to go. We're set. His age, his contract. And I was looking into his profile from Matt Harmon at reception perception. I trust as much as anybody like track and receivers. You got profiles over the years. How often they beat men, how often they beat zone. Like more. I saw a graph today. I saw a chart today. He gets separation, but. I don't know. He's never been a truly great route runner. Harmon wrote that about him about more, just the idea that he's never been a pristine or top level separator overall. And I know he's probably an upgrade, but of all the ideas that are out there, like I feel like I'm dreaming big ish. I know Mike Evans comes with injury concerns. I know AJ Brown comes with headache concerns, Brian Thomas, Jr., Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave. Like I just have this level where I'm really optimistic and I would fear that DJ Moore would be the next Amari Cooper would be the next. Hey, this guy's got you and he comes here. He's got juice and it will just fall a little flatter. Right. Today, I saw a Mike Vrabel quote about a search. How you get a number one wide receiver. How do you do it? And he said, you're not going to find them in free agency. You have to try and recruit and recruit them in the draft. You have to develop them. I got being at the combine talking about if I pay a receiver 25 million, I got to make sacrifices. And like the problem the bills have is that they're not young. They're not diverse at that, at the skill sets of that position. And if more came here, like I said, I'll talk myself into it, but I would have to talk myself into it. I'd have to see it. I'd have to see it working. I just would have concerns about it. Really big concerns about it. He's owed pretty big money. his contract, his cap hit is $28.5 million for the next four years and like he is locked in until age 32. It's an unhealthy contract to take on. You have to talk me into it. I'd be a little afraid. I think you're going to be safe here because I just don't think it's the type of contract more than anything that the Bills can take on. I think you make a lot of good points about DJ Moore. He's never been you know he's not antonio brown running routes but he's like a really good yak really good body control really good ball skills type player and he has some explosiveness to him but you know is he not what they hope keyon would be kind of like strong powerful after the catch he he runs a lot of he he's not all that effective in the intermediate area and like i feel like that's what we're trying to see the bills get some of so like yeah i would just be i'd be nervous about it they'd have to have 24 and a half million dollars in available cap space to take him to just get the contract on the books yeah i think you're gonna be okay here he would he would definitely be lower on my list of like receivers i would want to trade for i i will admit that i've always kind of been a dj more fan i loved him uh in college at maryland um he was kind of like quarterback proof they went through like three or four quarterbacks his last year. He was the only Big Ten receiver with 1,000 yards and like goes to Carolina and they're switching out quarterbacks like crazy, still pretty productive. I've always like admired him for that, but I think it's fair to say that he might not be the right receiver at the right time for the Bills. Jerry, you've got yours? Yeah, we've been blessed in Buffalo with a very, very good offensive line, even at a year like this year where we maybe didn't have the protection we've had in the past. We still had the leading rusher in the NFL. And now we're looking at an offensive line where we're potentially going to lose our starting center, our starting left guard. We've lost our offensive line coach. It's going to really be hard for me to talk myself into thinking this offensive line will be as good as it's been without Aaron Cromer, without Connor McGovern, and without David Edwards. I really think that this thing. And I know Pat Meyer is very established and Pat Meyer learned under Aaron Cromer, but then again, he's not Aaron Cromer. He does have the reputation of developing young talent, which he's done in Pittsburgh very well. Joe's talked about it, but you know, when I look at this offensive line and I look at this team, if you want to be successful and it's shown, we've had one half of the equation, right? For the last so many years, the old line's been amazing. The D line's been not very good and to win championships, you got to be right in both out in both offensive and defensive line. And I just, I hope they find some way to bring back Connor McGovern and then go from there. As far as left guard goes, my, my, I would love to draft one relatively high to play at left guard. And if he battles it out with, with Anderson for a little bit and it's a one-year thing that's fine but um you're gonna have to really talk me into the thinking this own line is going to be what it was without Cromer and those two up front you think that's just something we have to come to terms with like I it's my expectation that it's not going to be as good and my hope is that the Bills can maybe be better in other areas to make up for it but I don't think you're getting Edwards and McGovern back you do have the coaching transition like you went from the best offensive line coach to I don't know he's probably a pretty good one, but he's not Aaron Cromer. And you're going through this transition without Cromer. So I think it is my expectation that the offensive line is going to take a step back. I just hope that there's other areas that the Bills improve to kind of offset that. Yeah, if we could get our pivot, if we could get McGovern back, I really believe I think I could be talked into being okay, because then I can absorb young talent at left guard. Like I said, I would go draft one, because you don't know what's going to happen with Osiris Torrance next year so you got to keep developing your own if the draft pick doesn't pan out alec anderson can play for a year at 2.5 million that helps the team right yeah so there's got to be some of that but hopefully we find a way to keep mcgovern but i just might i mean i'm not hopeful with the amount of money that i think is going to be out there got a couple folks in the chat asking kind of two different questions and i'll just combine them into one where would you be most concerned like who's affected the most if the line does dip does it dip and you this might be a tough question for you guys and for you jerry like depends on who replaces them but is james cook and the run game to suffer or is alan in the past game to suffer i mean he can escape right he can kind of cover those right those deficiencies is is your running attack what you'd be more worried about altering a bit Yeah, I'd be worried about the running game. The other thing about the running game that worries me is the way Cromer, as run game coordinator, was able to change things up week after week and add wrinkles and run the same play with different blocking schemes and really be – I think the best thing or the reason that this – that James Cook won the rushing title last year other than the blocking was just how in sync he was with what Cromer was trying to do. I think those two were really in sync and Cook has that ability to understand where the creases and the soft spots are we'll see how they you know we'll see how him and Pat Meyer can can talk and and you know how they are and and figuring things out but I think running game is probably the area that that concerns me the most you got Josh can get out a lot of things and you can change things up protection wise to help him. We'll see with if Brady does any of that or not, especially with maybe a little bit of veteran influence at the OC position coming in. I'm hoping that he can hit him in the head a little bit sometimes when he wants to just, you know, let the pigeons loose and, you know, we're going to handle it by letting 17 run around But yeah the running game probably stresses me the most not just the blocking it the schemes that Kroemer come up with Hopefully Rob Boris has been paying close attention. I know that he was pretty involved in scheming the run alongside Kroemer. Now he's the run game coordinator. I think it's good to him and Austin Gunn stick around Kelly Skipper as well. So that's a silver lining, but you did lose some big pieces and we haven't even fully learned everything that the Bills lost in the offensive line. So it's a big task. Because you just can't assume. You can't assume that Van Prair and Granger and Anderson, yep, plug them in, they're going to be great. You can't assume that. I think I can assume that they won't be as good as McGovern and Edwards. I'm stunned. That'd be very unlikely. Yeah. One guy's going to go make almost $20 million a year. The other one just signed for $2.5 million. There's a reason why that happened, right? Right. Okay. There's a reason why it happened. And so, you know, you can be optimistic, you know, and look at it half full, but there's a lot there to be concerned about. Bill Squatch Show, when we return, we've got the Reuben Bain arm measurement. We promised you arm measurement conversations. I've got some stats on Bain's arm measurement for you and some around the NFL stuff, some players allowed to seek trades. We'll get some of your comments in as well. So we'll wrap things up. Combine rumblings, arm measurement chatter, all coming up here on the Bill Squad Show. This episode of Bill Squad brought to you by Home Chef. As the new year gets going, a lot of people are trying to simplify their routines. And dinner's a big one. 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That's homechef.com slash locked on for 50% off your first box. free shipping and free dessert for life must be an active subscriber to receive free dessert all right we're back here on the bill squad show you guys ready for some arm measurement stuff on reuben bain projected to go top 10 probably i did see one mock where maybe mel kiper had him falling to 12 to 15 and making his way to the rams which uh you know that'd be a thing all right Right, of course. So, Reuben Bain, his arm length, this is going to be good because you guys know the numbers on the number, right? 30 and 7-8. This is what I'll say. Micah Parsons is feeding families. This is, to me, Micah Parsons syndrome, where you have, like what Jerry said in our group text, You have oversized linebackers that are rushing the passer now. And Micah Parsons opened the door. Micah Parsons has 31 and a half inch arms, which are short arms, but he's one of the best pass rushers in the entire NFL. And this is a new profile that didn't used to exist that does now. And because of the way that defenses have evolved, there are places for these types of players to make an impact. And so I think that this is a big consequence of Micah Parsons' glow up and now you have players that are wanting to become that and you have a huge infusion there's a couple guys that are supposed to be high picks that are some uh cassius howell also really short arms was david bailey as well to give you context here warren sharp has these numbers so reuben bain will have the shortest arms for any first round pick at edge in the last 20 years and no player with arms less than 31 has double-digit sacks in any season in the last 20 years. But this is something I like to point out about the tight ends. Like, everyone's gaga over tight ends are catching so many more passes. And to me, it's, well, the position changed quite a bit. The profile changed quite a bit. That's why those numbers are quite obvious. And you're making the case here that basically the position's changed. Of course, nobody with these arms has had 20 sacks. How many opportunities have there been? Probably zero. Yeah. To be honest, right? You got to also look at this. I think that, I think as far as arm length goes, there's something that trumps it when you got pass rushers, especially these guys that are smaller outside linebacker types, or in Bain's case, I think he's just more of like a tweener. You got bend and leverage. If you can't bend the way some of these guys bend, then it becomes an issue because you got to be more of a power to speed guy. and with no arm length, it's hard to do that. These guys are getting down the levels that are crazy as far as their bend and the ghost rushes and things like that. With tackles getting taller and taller, you've got natural built-in leverage the way these guys play. So half the time, arm length doesn't matter because the tackle can't even get their hands on them anyway. But I think the fact that we keep going back to this, it's like, did anybody watch Reuben Bain in the college football playoff? yeah i did that's why that's why people that just hang their hat on the combine or just game tape they don't they don't these are used to validate one another okay his arms are short let's go look at the tape oh damn he's killing people all right it's not an issue he's a guy i saw a comp for reuben bain kind of like a joking comp that he's mike tyson you know he's a violent player you You check the measurables all you want. Watch him play, and you're like, holy cow, that guy is furious when he plays. And you kind of just love watching him. I hope to God he slides to 26. Please, slide to 26. Jerry, would you agree that the arm length component is a much bigger deal for run defense than pass rush? Yes. Because, I mean, these leaner pass rushers, they're not running through people. They're not going speed to power and trying to bowl guys. And actually, as a pass rusher, if you know how to weaponize those levers, you can get some good mechanical advantage. And this is real dangerous for me to start talking about stuff like that. But there's something to be said for if you can position them, get into your hump moves, you have that opportunity to generate a lot of force. It's just you're not going to be bowling guys, but you're not bowling guys at 245 anyways. And the thing is, a guy like Bain gets them to sleep and then pulls them because they're expecting the speed or whatever. You're 100% on the run blocking thing. You create separation. It's what we talked about with Cedric Van Prair and Granger in the game he played where there were some plays he was being controlled by the D linemen as the other way around because of the arm length. But, yeah, I mean, this is a case where if you're going to harp – this is new football, okay? Football does evolve. This is new football. And, like, I look at the defensive end chart from the NFL, and, yes, the worst arm length would be 32.1, right? Well, you know what the height is as far as optimum height? It's 6'6", right? Almost 6'7". Most of these guys are what nowadays? 6'2", 6'3". A lot of these smaller guys, these tweeter linebacker type dudes. I mean, even the height differentials are different. So, if the tape shows something different, I'm not worried about it. I mean, Jerry, if you're 6'5", 270, and you're a power rusher with 30-and-a-half-inch arms, we got a problem. Yes, we do. We do. That's not what anybody's asking these types of guys to be. No. No. Got to open your mind a little bit. Do you think that Nick Benito at Denver has super long arms? Let's look it up. I'm going to. I know he doesn't because I'm pretty sure he's wrong. 32-and-a-half. Yeah, 32-and-a-half. A couple of these guys are being talked about as Benitos. He went late second. He went the pick before James Cook, pick after James Cook, one of those two. He's right next to James Cook, Nick Benito was. Athleticism is beating – athletes are beating lesser athletes, and that's what this position is now with these guys that are playing it. It's an out-athleting somebody else. It's just a different way of doing things. Will Campbell knew what he was doing. checkers not chess right he said these these edge rushers are all getting shorter arms i'm gonna be okay out here at that's right and last time i checked last time i checked we had a lot of long arm defensive ends in buffalo that sure did how many sacks did they get right all right around the league stuff quickly the colts and quarterback anthony richardson have mutually agreed to explore a trade is there any go ahead future dolphins quarterback anthony richardson maybe malik willis minnesota vikings they can't afford malik willis they cannot yeah he's going arizona arizona for malik willis you heard it here first you like malik willis yeah he was my qb1 coming out boy people are wanting to forget he was supposed to be a first rounder and then just all the way to the third like joe i'm calling you out on this one let's go so you're going to go ahead and make a bold prediction that he's going to arizona because the the brother of the head coach of the green Bay Packers is now the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals. Is that true? That's part of my reasoning, but this foregone, he had gone to my Miami. I know. Of course he would go to Arizona, right? Oh yeah. But I mean, you got to think the Colts got to be involved there. The Browns have to be involved there. Colts got their quarterback, man. They got their guy. Who? God, it's healing up, man. Yeah. They got to resign him. They got to resign him. Imagine paying Daniel Jones, a market contract off of an Achilles and how he looked the last couple games. It's not for me. You think Shane Steichen will say we can't sign anybody else because of what we paid Dana's? He should. Yeah, he should. We've got to get rid of Michael Pittman. We can't bring back Braden Smith. Yeah, it's over for us. Yeah. You guys think there's any chance the Bills start to do things differently at backup quarterback than they have been? No. No? No. I passionately just don't. No. I don't think that they want Josh Allen in a room with a rookie. I don't think they want it. I think they want every ounce of energy for that quarterback room going towards optimizing Josh Allen's performance. And that's why it's the same cast of characters. Shane Buschel was a big part of it for a very specific role that he does. It's been Matt Barkley or Mitch Trubisky or Kyle Allen, like Josh Allen guys. I do not think they have any interest in putting a 22 year old kid in there with Josh Allen. So I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but I don't, I just don't think they're going to do it. It's a worthwhile conversation, but I don't think they're going to do it. Clint Kubiak is freaking out the fantasy football community saying he thinks that Ashton Gentry needs a wingman, needs a running mate. So the Raiders would be like a Kenneth Walker Zach Charbonnet scenario. So if you have Ashton Gentry in fantasy thoughts and prayers, his stock is going to drop for the next couple months until they maybe give him the ball a bunch anyway. They have a gazillion dollars in cap space. I was going to say, they got a chance, man. If they can keep Max, they got a lot of money. I think they are going to keep max. They have a lot of needs though. That is a bad roster. They're like 96 million under, I think. Yeah, but I... I'm not sure there's a certain position group on that team that I think is close to being good enough. We're doing a lot of like, I'm ready to be wrong on this. Tight ends. Tight ends. Yeah, you're exactly right. They're set at tight end, baby. Let's go. True. We're doing a lot of I'm ready to be wrong on this. Here's mine. I've taken Crosby off my watch list. I am not. I think they will not move him. So, you know, it was a good idea and a fun idea, but I'm not really thinking about it much anymore. One last thing before we go, the Tampa airport has put out a statement. It's not a formal ban, but they have asked you to stop wearing pajamas to the airport. So what is going on in there? You know, of course, Florida, right? Got it. All the weird stuff. Got to come out of Florida. Yes. What's wrong? I mean, You're supposed to fly comfortable. Isn't that the whole idea? Be comfortable when you fly. I can't wear... What are pajamas other than clothes that you sleep in that are comfortable? You know, I feel like it's a little dangerous to get into what people sleep in. You know, and... But the only way you know it's pajamas is if it's a child and there's a pattern on it. If I just wear, you know, a track suit, it's kind of pajamas. Right. If I just wear a set or something like that, am I wearing pajamas technically? Wear what you want as long as it's appropriate. Yeah, I agree with that. All right, we're back Monday. We'll have 40 times. I'm going to look for, who do I want? Chris Brazell to run. You got to run slow, not too fast. I'm thinking about this. Like, here's the thing. If you run from like a 4.3 to a 4.45, that's great. If you run under a 4.3, that's bad. That's too fast. Too fast. too fast now you're not good 4 4 5 to like 4 5 4 5 2 that's that's okay too for if you're on a 4 6 uh that's when people say so did jerry rice uh or you had a bad day this has been what they will say about 40 times after these guys run just definitely don't run seven is anquan bolden right four seven okay yeah so we're good what if you're on a fast 40 time but you have short arms Is that good or bad? That's a good question. You don't want to be a short-arm receiver. That's bad. Kolo Shakira's got real short arms, like some of the shortest arms in the entire NFL. That's why he only runs three yards past the line of scrimmage. Yo, Wondell Robinson has some crazy short arms. Yeah, but it would lock down the fact that you'd never hear anybody say he's got a wide catch radius so we could draft him. Wondell Robinson, 27 and 5-8 on the arm length. He's about to get a contract that pays him north of $20 million a season. All right. What do I need Carnell Tate to run? A 5-3. Just, you know, he forgot how to run. Let's call her. Carnell Tate's 40-time. I bet he runs like a 4-5-5. I think he's going to be a 4-5 guy. He's not a burner. He just gets up. He's not a burner. He's got that long stride, though. I'll take under 4-5-5. Okay. I'll take under. He's not going 4-4 anywhere. If he goes 4-4 or anything, he's going third overall i think he could be a high four four yeah all right yeah those strides he eats up some turf man he does i don't think he's a four three guy though but well today it was uh today it was short arms and on monday it'll be who ran too fast brendan thompson is gonna run too fast do you think it could ever get to that point where an agent would say to a guy like listen you do not want to run the four two six you run as soon as the nfl learns that that's a problem that's true they don't they haven't john ross xavier worthy they will pick these guys that's right i just don't want one of these guys to run too fast because then if i get excited about them people are like oh what about those other guys that were fast and also not good and jeremy's getting ahead of his future battles i love it that's right you got to you we just got inside his head right there here at the end you got a moment everybody knows you're just arguing narratives and future narratives that that's all this all is all right guys can't wait to talk about the 40 times, the bench presses, the vertical leaps, all that good stuff. And on Monday, we'll be one week away from legal tampering. So free agency comes quick. Legal tampering. I'm ready for your rant on Monday about legal tampering. Let's have it on Monday. We'll be back. Thanks for watching, writing in everything. Back Monday with a full show to wrap the combine and get you ready for the start of free agency. Until then, go Bills. Go Bills. Much love, Go Bills.