1440 - Marie Went from Being Very Vanilla to Hotwifing

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Okay, today I have on Marie, aka Shared Utah Wife. She does have an axe and you could check her out over there. She doesn't have an OnlyFans or anything like that. She's not monetizing, but she does post herself over on X and she does have fun over there. And so you could check her out there. She's hot. Here you're going to get her whole story. She was like a good girl gone bad. I said because she was like literally only married twice, but those were the only guys she had ever been with in her whole life. And her second husband, you know, brought up many, many years ago, like 13 years ago that he was into the whole hot wiping thing. You want to have a threesome with her with another guy and eventually got her to be open to it. And, you know, they went online and they talk about exactly how they met their first guy and how they had to weed through a lot of trash and how she was very hesitant at first. But, you know, her first experience was really great. And she talks about that. And then she talks about her second and third experience. And then she talks about some solo play that she did and then some boyfriends that she had, which I didn't realize she eventually had boyfriends and how that sometimes caused trouble. And she goes through the whole sort of story. She's been doing this for 13 years. So, you know, she's kind of been there, done that. And she talks about the good, the bad and the difficult times, the solo play. There was one person that became difficult and she talks about that. The boyfriends. We talk a little bit about that, but she's also been to swinger clubs and like Portland and Utah. And we talk about that. So her whole story is super interesting. She's super hot. You could check her out on X, but you're going to get her whole backstory here. So I'm going to get right to, and I do have hot pics of her over on my Patreon. She'll be in my Discord. And like I said, she's on X. Her name on that for X will be in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Marie. Hi, Marie. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hello. I'm doing great. How are you? I feel like I know you. There are certain people I see their names a lot in different places. You know what I mean? And like I just remember certain people. And shared Utah wife on X. I know. I see you all the time around and about and whatever. So I'm so happy you're finally on. I mean, sometimes I have to, I mean, between me and you and everyone listening right now, I have to put people like you on mute on my phone, because a lot of times I'm on the phone with my son and I can't have like straight up insertion videos showing up on my phone. Do you know what I mean? If I'm following you, I don't know if I'm following you, but like I have to mute certain people because I can't go looking because it'll pop up and my son's like watching with me. I'm like, oh, fuck. I mean, you know, whatever. but anyway you are a hot wife that's why you would have insertion videos on your on your ex yes i don't know if you get that crazy but you're a hot wife you are doing stuff on ex so what i i mean you know we'll get to the point where you start content creating and everything but like let's get like your kind of your backstory on uh how you became shared utah wife so how long are you married currently because listen i know that you're being a hot wife you don't have to be married right? Are you married though? No, we've been married, married for 23 years and coming up on 13 years being a hot wife. Okay. So let's go all the way back. Like when did you and your husband decide to open up your relationship and why? So he brought it up. Oh, well, about 13 years ago, actually. And I had never been with anyone else but him. Oh, wait, did you? Oh, okay. So you had an ex-husband before him. You lost your virginity to your ex-husband? Yes. Okay. And then, and so how long were you married to your first husband? About three and a half years. Okay. And then, so you've been with this guy longer, I'm assuming, right? Obviously you said you were with him 20 something years yeah so he so you didn't have any kind of fun in between first and second hubby you didn't fuck around at all you're like a relationship girl one relationship into another i know i my best friends were always like that yeah i was like the definition of like a little goody two shoes really so this is a goody two shoes uh girl gone wrong story Yeah. It's always the girls like, you know, I mean, you know, it's kind of interesting, but I think guys love that whole kind of thing. So, all right. So you're like a, you know, a girl that likes relationships. You go from, you know, you're married one time, you get married to your second husband and how was like your intimate life with your husband in the beginning, this guy? Everything was phenomenal. I mean, like we had a great sex life, he introduced me to so many things that, you know, obviously only having one partner, my previous, you know, my ex-husband, we were both virgins when we got married. Things were like pretty stale and whatnot. So I really lacked an experience. So, you know, my husband now, everything like that was just phenomenal so honestly when he brought this up to me 13 years ago I was completely blindsided he he always jokes and says if I would have known better known what I know now I definitely would have approached it differently but you know yeah but why how did he approach it then you know I feel like I feel like he approached it just fine I feel like I was the one who wasn't ready. He was just telling me like, I think that you would really enjoy the touch of another man. Like imagine like four hands on you, rubbing you and this, that and the other. And I was just like, what the hell is wrong with you? Because again, how I was raised very religious and you know, like I said, just him and previous husband, And I was always raised that sex equals love. Right, of course. My immediate thought was like, why would you want me to do this with anybody else? Because to me, you're just asking me to try to fall in love with somebody else. And he's like, whoa, no, that's not at all what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about physical. But my mind couldn't wrap around separating physical from love. Of course. Most women are that way. We're wired and we're wired very differently from men. I mean, we, you know, the same sentence for a man or a woman means very different things, you know, because men are from Mars and women are from Venus. It's a real, we have many differences and they're real. You know what I mean? So I got it, you know? So, but listen, you know, in a weird way, like his approach of saying, because a lot of times it's like, oh, I just want to see you with another man. But him kind of being like having four hands on you. He's like putting himself right there with you. Like he's not saying I want you just with someone else. I want you with me and someone else, which I actually think is a good, better approach than I just want to see you with somebody else. You know what I mean? Where he's detached. He's kind of saying me and another guy want to be with you. So he's kind of like proposing a threesome. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly what it was. And I think because, you know, since we had been together long enough, you know, 10 years at that point, he knew like, well, of course I, you know, he's my world. I want him involved. and you know like I said even though with him being in the picture I just I wasn't seeing his picture his vision you know and so it was like okay you're you're sick and listen I always say for people that started a quote-unquote hot wiping so long ago because like I started my show 11 years ago and I had my one of my first callers John called in and he was talking about the whole hot wiping thing but there was no term for it back then you know what I mean and he like His calls and his scenario with sharing his wife is what like built my show and got my audience early on. I didn't even know there was a name for it. I didn't know that it was like a specific kink. All I knew is that my callers loved his stories. I just thought he was a great storyteller. It comes to, you know, I didn't realize that it was this whole thing about sharing your wife that was like a lot of guys' fantasies, including your husband's, right? And so like, it didn't have that word though attached to it back then, right? Hot way thing? No. Yeah. no right so he's proposing a threesome so how does how does he get you like how do you get your mind around it like not how did he get you to do it but like how did you get your mind around it like what how did you go from the person that was like oh you know what i can never do that because sex equals love like how did you get from there to you know saying okay i i asked for him to just like give me give me some space with it like he dropped it you know didn't bring it up for months and months and I think he had planted that seed and slowly I started like thinking about it and started going through like different scenarios in my head and whatnot and so then like say when we were when we were being intimate and I was like so like how would you envision this like where would we be meeting this person what do you see happening and of course then that starts building his excitement because he's like whoa okay she's all she's thinking about it she's asking questions and it just you know it took about I don't know three four months or so of me like slowly asking a little bit more and a little bit more and uh you know like I said kind of getting that excitement built up and then uh it was to the point of like well okay how would you go about finding this person i want to just find some random person on the street like and and then like a little bit of my background my ex has been cheated on me and uh so my big thing was like i don't want to just find some random dude and come to find out it's him cheating on his wife oh right so i had like And I had a lot of like stipulations where it's like, all right, well, how are you going to meet this person? How are you going to vet him? How do you know he's real? How do you know this, that, and the other? And so I wasn't challenging him to fight it. It was more, all right, well, if you're going to make this a reality, how are you going to be able to overcome these different things? And so, like I said, I think it was really just kind of planting that seed, letting me kind of see where I would at with things. And going from there. I mean, listen, it's very true that in the whole lifestyle world, and just because you sleep with other people, you have threesomes doesn't mean you're in the lifestyle. But even in swinger clubs and hotel takeovers and situations like this with threesomes where it's just in a private room, like it typically is that the woman does sort of take the lead. Like you got to go by the woman timeline and stuff. Right. I mean, and that is the one world where like it is kind of like, you know, they're hanging by what you know, what you say or what you do. Right. And women are not ones that just like jump on it right away. Right. Like I always say, and a lot of times it's the guys that are successful are the ones who play the long game with their woman. You have to wait a while. A woman doesn't just like hear the words and just like, yeah, I can't wait. You know what I mean? Like we're just not wired that way. Like I would have a million questions like you did too. And so how did he go about though finding a guy that you would be comfortable with and down? uh so he had uh said that you know of course when he was when he first introduced the idea that you know he had seen some information like on different websites and you know yes this is this is kind of dating as far as how far back this was but craigslist adult friend finder okay yeah who was a was a site that that we had used and oh my gosh that was like stifling through garbage to find like the tiniest piece of like usable. You're kidding. Why? What kind of garbage was on there? 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Lots of dick pics, which again, this is you're taking me back a few years where it's like, oh, I was disgusted. And honestly, still to this day, I'm like, unless we have a report, do not send me your dick. So like, there was a lot of those. There was a lot of messages that would just even start off with like hey you know I fuck her And I like Would you walk up to a woman at a bar and eat that line Like come on You know and so there just like I get it Like, you know, that's what you're looking for on this. But like, these guys just have no game whatsoever. Yeah, that's the problem. They don't get it. I do. I can't tell you, by the way, Marie, how many like bull episodes I do. And I have to say out of all the people, the players in this kind of scenario, the hot wife, the cook, the stag, the bull. Those are the most lowest downloaded episodes I get are the bull ones. And I don't understand why. Because those are the ones that people need to listen to if they ever want to be the guy, you know, with you, right, that gets you. Because these guys know how to fucking get the guy's girl and how to make the women feel comfortable. Like you said, there's so many of them are so clueless, right? Yep. Yep. There's an art to it. Like you have to know how to please the woman and also be cool with the guy. I mean, there's so much that goes into it. But for you, you're like that, that what would work for a guy, you know, everyone's typically projecting, right? So the guy thinks like that one line that would work for him, by the way, it doesn't work for the woman. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And a lot of guys, they kind of forget that it's like, okay, you're the husband is like your biggest ally so like you need to have him on board do not alienate him yeah but yeah so so you know we went through a bunch of profiles i don't recall if he had done like any swinger sites or anything like that but aff is actually where we found the first guy okay guys want to totally impress your girl the next time you're with her by like shooting the biggest load you've ever shot in your life and have it actually taste really good. Well, then you need to check out VB Health Load Boost. Okay, I swear by Load Boost. I'm a chick. I can't use it. But let me tell you, I have gotten so many DMs from my listeners raving about the fact that it totally works. If you don't believe me, email me. Okay, listen, Load Boost is not some sketchy supplement. Okay, it is a doctor formulated to not only improve the volume of your load and make it taste better. 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Use code STRIKLY for 10% off or just go to the description and click on the link and use my code STRIKLY. and so funny story with that is oh gosh I was playing this like anonymous uh app uh it was I think it was called battle friends where it's kind of like battleship and you could just play with people anonymous anonymously and you could send little messages and uh anyways this guy started like flirting with me and my husband's like well yeah flirt back with him and of course I've got nothing. I'm like, I don't know how to flirt. You and I have been together so long. I don't know how to do this. And so, you know, fast forward, talking with this guy and we're flirting back and forth. And then we're supposed to have this like, kind of like a FaceTime session. Because I was like all dressed in lingerie and whatnot. And anyways, he had to flake. And so I was kind of bummed. And so my husband was like, hey, like, just stay dressed up and whatnot and uh we were doing some you could do like camming and stuff on on aff and got me kind of excited to like do a little bit of that and then he showed me this message he's like oh look we got this message and there's a couple of pictures nothing below the belt there's like you know chest shots his smile uh kind of a distant picture so you couldn't really get a lot of detail, but he was doing like a Spartan race or something. And then like a four paragraph like introduction, who he is, what he's about. And I go through and I read this and then I look at my husband and I was like, you made this guy up. And he's like, what? And I was like, there's no way this is real. Like this guy checks all of my boxes. You know, my celebrity crush is Shamar Moore. So I told my husband, I said, all right, he needs to be at least 5'10 to ride this ride. I prefer a black guy. It was just that from the beginning, that was like my preference. You know, again, tall, fit, you know, great personality, you know, have this whole laundry list. And this guy, like I said, he checked all of the boxes and that's where I'm like, no, you made him up. He's like, no, this, like, I have no idea. And I'm like, okay, so you paid somebody. Like, I was just for sure this guy was not real. But we ended up, like, exchanging some messages back and forth, you know, not like super long time frame. It was like three, four days. And then we were going to be able to meet up with him. He was a couple pounds away that was close enough to us and we were able to schedule a lunch date to be able to meet the three of us and by the time we left the restaurant I looked at my husband I was like yes yes so there was that instant connection so you had the connection yes yeah yep yep yeah so he you know we we ended up meeting that night because that was the whole plan like well let's meet for lunch let's see how the interaction is in person like I need to see if there's that that same kind of fire in person and so yeah so we met him that night and it was a phenomenal experience he did amazing with keeping my husband in the loop and even even like right up as we were driving to his place we're following him and my husband's like are you nervous and I was like absolutely and he's like okay you have control no matter when you like feel uncomfortable you you can call stop I'm like but even if like we're just about to start he's like I don't care at what at any point you call stop and that was one of the most comfortable things he could have ever done for me because it just it just brought all the tension down for me because I immediately felt like, oh, I really do have control of this and I don't have to do anything I'm uncomfortable with. Yeah, that takes off a lot of pressure. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. So, what, did you have a hotel room set up? No, we went back to his place. Oh, okay. We went back to his place. He lived alone. That was good for you. You knew he wasn't married. right yep yep exactly like he was single you know we had him and I had a lot of you know just one-on-one then you know my husband was in the mech uh so so one of the things like from the beginning is he wanted to be able to take pictures and you know it wasn't because oh we're gonna go put this out anywhere and you know back then yeah we're not gonna post these this is just gonna be for us and so he was like yeah absolutely so you know he was able to take like pictures and videos and stuff and like I said he was involved and then he would be out and take take pictures the guy had was very well versed as far as like with the lifestyle he understood like his his position and everything and you know we ended up having like a very like long-term uh relationship if you will with him until he moved out of state. We're actually still in contact. How did you feel that first time? Because that's like a big thing for you. It was like afterwards. Oh, interesting. Because like I said from the beginning how he told me, you have control. You can do this. and because I kept kind of like looking at my husband and then of course we'd talk about it and he's like you would look at me in between when your eyes weren't rolled in the back of your head but like because I was trying to like check in like you know yes I was getting kind of lost in it but I would look over and make sure like is he having a good time and it's like oh yeah no he's enjoying this you know So whether he's got his dick in his hand or he's got a smile on his face, I know he's good with it. And so we have great communication. So we talked a lot where it was like, okay, what are the things you enjoyed? Was there anything that made you feel uncomfortable? And everything on both of our ends was all positive. Interesting. And any rules or anything? It doesn't sound like it. And the number one rule that I had actually established was no kissing. Okay. And does that still exist? Do you remember pretty women? Yes, of course. Where she was, you know, no kissing. So that's where I was like, yeah, no kissing. And that pretty much went out from the room in like, hmm, first couple seconds. That's always the one, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So no, that one is a big thing for me. Like, I'm Latin. I don't know why I'm trying to hold that back. Like, I'm passionate. And I've realized that for me, how a partner kisses tells me a lot. Of course. I think that kissing is more than just kissing when you're kissing someone that you have a romantic connection with. And so we think that then all kissing is like that. But if you kiss somebody that you have no romantic connection with, it's just hot. You know what I mean? It's something totally different and really great and a big part of me, for me too. I could make out with someone I'm not into. It's kind of like fun to do that. You know what I mean? It adds to the experience. Though I did have a booty call guy once and I screwed him for seven years and I never kissed him once because I hated his mouth. It was disgusting to me. But I liked everything else about him. How weird am I? Anyway, okay. So wait. So go on. And so, okay, so your first experience, it's interesting because here you are a woman who, you know, didn't have a lot of experience, was pretty vanilla, right? Like you said, the quintessential, like, you know, you're very much a good girl and you have this experience and there's no negative feelings. There's no feelings of shame or anything. Like you actually feel empowered is what you said. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And your husband was just like happy that he got his fantasy fulfilled, I'm sure. Yep. Right. And I think like the best thing for me was it wasn't like, okay, I'm good. I experienced it. And then that he was like ready to move on. Right. You know, because that was kind of a thing too. But it's like, well, how do I know you're just going to be like, oh, I just want to experience it once and then I'm good. And then, okay, well, what if I'm hooked? You know, or vice versa. These are all things again. Yeah. You know, kind of going back into the like trepidation of what I was feeling before was, okay, you say you want this, but how do you know how you are going to feel once we're actually in the middle of things, you know? Totally. Are you just going to be like, I can't do this? And he's like, it's possible. Like, I can't tell you it won't, you know? And so we knew that it was going to be, it was going to be a challenge because you have no idea how it's going to feel until you're in it. Totally. And I would assume as a woman, I think something that I would feel as a woman is like, are you going to like see me as tarnished? You know what I mean? Like not be able to see me as your wife anymore. You know, we always have that, that thing put on us that, you know, the Madonna horror thing, you know, you gotta be one or the other in a man's eyes and it could change, you know, depending on how many guys you fucked or they might give you a side eye. Right. You know what I'm saying? like guys are like that so you know I would assume you'd be worried about that but he was cool everything was great and then you continue to see this guy now when did it start to become like did you like stay with this guy for years and then go look for other people or did you start looking for other guys while this guy was like your one of your like ongoing guys so it was pretty early on, I want to say it was maybe like two months in because of my personality. I'm a little bit of a addicting personality. And so my husband could tell like, all right, you're starting to get a little attached, you know, to him and him. So he's like, we need to kind of start spreading your time around she's like so you know I we need to start looking for other guys and the way I refer to this is always like it's like an interview process and so yeah we we had interviewed another guy then of course like I went into that interview just like oh I don't want to meet anybody like no just based off his pictures this that and the other and uh anyway so I met this other guy and I was like, oh, okay, no, yeah, I'd be on board for that. But I was much slower wanting to meet other people, wanting to spread that time around. But at the same time, I could see what my husband was talking about. And I knew that he had the right idea that I needed to, you know, just have a little bit more in the stable so that I wasn't getting attached to just one person. Yeah, he was the smart one in this situation. So you need one of those, you know, especially with that kind of stuff, especially because women are different sometimes, especially because you also like had this very much like, you know, in your head, sex was love and all this stuff. Like the last thing you want to do is get to make this complicated, you know, with other things. Right. So you so you were slower in sort of mixing, like hooking up with the next guy because you already had your guy and you just wanted to stay with that guy. Like, how come it took longer the second time? I think because I was like, well, why screw up a good thing? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you how do you know the next one is going to be a good experience? It's like maybe we just won the lottery right off the bat. Yeah. Well, you know, listen, I've heard a lot of stories, and a lot of people's first experience is not as great. You know, you were lucky that you found such a good guy the first time. Yes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So who did you wind up eventually with the second time? Second time, he didn't check all the boxes, but he was still a phenomenal fit. and with, you know, somebody again, well, local. But then I, like, you know, I was seeing them both pretty much at the same time. And then, you know, eventually, I don't remember how many months later, then, you know, I met a third one. And, you know, just kind of divvied up my time. But they were all very different from each other as far as looks and personality. And so it was really interesting for me to kind of see that evolution and who I was attracted to not just physically but also like mentally you know because for me it like yeah you could be a good fuck But if afterwards we can like lay on the bed and just like chit chat If I annoyed by you like that's not going to do anything for me. Right? Yeah. 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But now you're rolling with three second three other guys that you actually are attracted to more than how many men you've been with your whole life. exactly yeah getting to that that third one that was a huge deal because i was like oh my gosh i've more than doubled my total lifetime number totally yeah i mean it's kind of crazy if you think about it now eventually i know you make this like you know you go online like a lot of other people did did you ever wind up like after you're doing all this stuff did you ever wind up going to any kind of clubs or hotel takeovers or getting involved in like the swinger community or world or did you just keep it like you were doing the hot wife thing solo uh so we had gone like we had been on like some different like singer sites you know we fbc some other you know sites looking for fun but as far as like once once like i i got online was you know really just getting on x because we wanted to be able to have a platform to be able to like share that excitement of like, ooh, here's some of the pictures and whatnot. There was a local club here in Utah that we had gone to. And one of the things that I really enjoyed about that, there weren't beds or anything, but a lot of people did play there, like on the couches and whatnot. I never did, even though, well, I take that back. I did once, but from the outside, like my husband could tell he was he was watching me and so he knew I was I was riding my guy but you couldn't tell at all because of like how we were but even though I'm a bit of an exhibitionist like I don't know why I didn't feel comfortable playing there but one of the things I really did enjoy was that you know you walked in clothed sometimes you know yeah it could be like a really short skirt or whatnot. But usually once you got inside the club, everybody was like pretty much down into like lingerie and whatnot. Right. So I loved that because I just thought it was so hot. We'd be on the dance floor and you've got, you know, everybody in their lingerie and stilettos and whatnot. So again, I use that word empowering, but that's how it felt. It just felt so freeing to just be like who I always was, but I didn't know it. So yeah, so we went there quite a bit. Like I said, we didn't play there, but actually my very first like public club was we were on vacation in Oregon and he told me about Club Pravada and he's describing it to me and, you know, tells me how, you know, he wants to take me there. And I was like, all right, let's give it a shot. Again, still that same trepidation. I don't know how it's going to be. We freaking shut the club down. Wait, where in Oregon is that? Do you remember? Portland. Portland. Okay. So in Portland. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's so weird. My son, when I did my son, I had to use a surrogate and it wasn't legal in New York. So I had to do it in Portland. So I went to Portland many times. I felt no sexual vibe in Portland. And somebody once called into my show. They're like, what are you fucking kidding? Like, there's so much crazy sex stuff happening underground in Portland. Like, you wouldn't believe them. Like, really? I thought it was like the most sexless, weirdest vibe place, but actually the best food I've ever had in my whole life in Portland. I mean, I love the city, but it was weird that there's supposedly a big underground scene there that I just had no clue about. Yeah, this was like downtown. It was a hot thing. Yeah, it was probably underneath my hotel. I had no idea. What was the name of it again? Pravado? Club Pravada. Pravada. Interesting. And so can I just ask you though, quick though, because I always feel like the scenes are different depending on where you are, especially because you're in Utah. I watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and they're always accusing everyone of being swingers on that show. Is there like a big community of people doing that kind of stuff in Utah, considering like that that state is like very religious? Yes. And I think that's why is because so I didn't grow up here, but we've been here, you know, over 20 years because of the sexual like oppression. Yeah. You know, again, everybody's supposed to be goody two shoes and, you know, virgin when you get married. And so like they don't have experience. And so then it becomes a thing of like, oh, well, you're hanging out with your friends and then one thing leads to another. So, yeah, it's really big. And that's actually one of the problems that I've had out here is within the swinger community, it's almost like hot wifing is looked down upon because a lot of the husbands can't handle the fact of like, I'm not just going to have her playing and then I'm just sitting there not getting anything, you know, so they want to be involved. So yeah, it is big out here. Yeah, isn't that interesting? It's always the case, I feel like. I remember once going to Nashville and someone saying like, there's a church on every corner and across the street, there's a porn shop. you know it's like where there's religion there's sex it's like it's a it's a thing okay so so you like the stuff and everything how do you take it like like because your husband is always filming and everything right are you into watching yourself and everything or is it your husband that likes those tapes and all the pictures so it started out being for him but then when we would go back and look at it together because I personally can't stand porn but I realized that it's the professional porn that I like so for me it's that amateur and so I really I really just got into watching myself because we would watch it together and so I'm like this is fucking hot wow yeah so so yeah it really did become a thing for us and and now he he doesn't always go I I do have solo dates and whatnot and you know sometimes I will do kind of like a POV uh video or whatnot or we'll set up like a tripod and you know have video and pictures that way too so yeah it it It makes for some really hot, like, to be able to go back and having that, like, reclaim. I know everybody has a different word for it, but, you know, like, our intimacy afterwards is just, like, off the charts, being able to, like, watch this. Yeah, and it was always your husband's kink, but it's interesting that it wound up being something that you were actually in, considering that you don't even really like, you know, porn. but with you in it, it's a totally different story. You and your husband, right? Yep. Yep. Absolutely. And do you like, I mean, does the thought of other people consuming your content and seeing you, do you like that aspect? Or do you just do it because it's a platform? I do it because it's hot. I like hearing feedback on it too, where it's like, oh, when you were doing this, you know that was so hot or I've never seen anybody do that so yeah there's there's a lot of like excitement to it and still what kind of holds me back from like actually going all the way and doing like content creation is there's just a lot of spine balls out there trying to you know hurt people trying to trying to take away the fun out of it for for those of us so but what I always wonder are you would not well first of all are you anonymous on your site because when you do go to put yourself up online I always think about like a big deal you keep your face out of it but are you keeping your living room and your Christmas tree because like you could out yourself in many ways not just with your face you know I'm always paranoid like that so like when you decided to start posting online right like did you uh worry about people finding out are you anonymous on there are you out and proud like what's your deal anonymous and we're very careful about like you know blurring you know things in the background so if i am taking pictures at home that stuff is blurred right or things that you can't really tell you know where it is what it is yeah so yeah and now you said like the first guy was like you know you're you're like you know he was a black guy and you're really into him and he was like your celebrity crush guy Like, are you always hooking up with black guys? Are you open to all different kind of guys? You just have to have a connection? Are you strictly like a woman who like that's what you're down for? So being in Utah, I don't have that luxury of getting to have my flavor choice. Yeah, but that is your flavor choice. Yes, yes. Now is your husband black or no? Nope. Okay. Nope. he's white and thank God he's just not jealous because that's where he's like you know what no matter what I do you know I could work out I could do this I could do that I will never be black exactly yeah but he is confident in our love and knows that like well it doesn't matter I just know that that's like that's your thing, that's what you love, but it doesn't change my love for him. And that was a huge thing because originally, like, getting started, it was kind of a little bit of a trip for him. Right, especially because he can't give it to you, right? Especially because, oh, like, it must have been surprising to him, like, this is what you really like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm white, but your favorite thing is a black guy, you know what I mean? It's like if you're, like, a woman who's, like, super skinny, and some guy's like, oh, I love women that are voluptuous. Or you're like, what the fuck? Why are you with me? You know, it kind of could be like a little scary, right? Yeah, it is. It is a little bit of a mind fuck sometimes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So your husband, is he like always involved, sometimes not involved? Did you ever start playing solo? Like how, what's the dynamic now? I mean, you've been doing it for so long. Yeah. So I started solo with that first guy. Oh, you did? That early on you went solo? Yes. Oh, my God. No wonder why your guy's like you need to see other people. You're playing solo and seeing the same guy. Oh, my God. That's a recipe for disaster. I always get worried. Yes. So it was probably like, I don't know, like the fourth or fifth time that we saw each other. because so we have a couple of kids and it was getting difficult to try to set up these dates where we're constantly getting sitters and whatnot. And so that first time that I went solo, when you asked about how I felt after the first encounter, first encounter, like I said, phenomenal. After that first encounter of me being solo, during and everything, that was just fine. It was when I got dressed and I got in the car and I immediately called him. And I remember at one point driving home, at that point, it was about an hour drive home. And I'm starting to like cry. And he's like, what's wrong? And I was like, I'm just so worried, like how you are feeling about me. And he's like, I'm fine. Like everything's good. Like we'll just, you know, we'll keep talking about it and whatnot. So, yeah, I mean, I have been doing a lot of back and forth, you know, whether it's solo or group or whatnot during all of this time. And it really is just whatever fits best for our schedule. There's been times that I have traveled and, you know, have gone and either will FaceTime or take videos and pictures and then, you know, send them to him. and there's been a lot of evolution into what has worked for us. We've, you know, fallen into some things that didn't work for us. Like what? We've taken a step back. I had a couple of boyfriends separately, not like I didn't have them all at the same time. You know, that we loved. I had a partner who was not lifestyle, which that was, you know, probably his first red flag. And that was the worst one because it really came close to, like, ending our marriage. You're kidding. And that was on me. Yeah, because he pretty much went to my husband and gave him an ultimatum and said, she is either, like, she's going to not be a hot wife anymore. and like she's going to be with me. Like he was trying to tell him like he was forcing you to be in a hot life. And so, yeah, that's where I just, I had to make that decision of like that he was completely cut off because he kept trying to put himself into my life. And it's like, no, look, you are not going to mess with my kids, my life, my husband. So yeah, that one was a very big learning curve and something that pulled us back a lot because I was just so scared for how I made my husband feel. When, yes, he was the one who introduced this to me, but that's not what he ever wanted. He never wanted to share my heart. Well, why did you wind up getting boyfriends? Why was that an okay thing? Because that's more poly, right? When you're saying boyfriends, I'm assuming you were allowed to have like relationships with them too. Because it went back into that whole fantasy. And where we're, if you kind of like liken it to like a drug, you know, you're always kind of looking for like that next. You need more. Bigger hit. You need more. You know, and so it was like, ooh, okay, well, what if we tried this? oh that would be so hot if like you were like living at his place you know part-time and you had clothes there and what about this with that and so we were sometimes kind of pushed the envelope just a little bit just a little bit and you know these all of not all the majority of my partners have all been where I want for them to have a good relationship with my husband and so it like you know we all friends and what all you know hang out and whatnot and at the time like the first boyfriend it's my husband thought first he thought evolving he thought happening and he's like you're falling in love with him no I'm not no I'm not it took me a couple of days and I was like, yeah, okay, yeah. How are we going to navigate this? And how did you navigate it? You didn't stop it immediately? We talked to the three of us and we're like, okay, so here's what we're seeing. Where are you? Do you want to be, do you feel the same way? Do you want to be on the same page? Do we want to navigate this like going towards Polly, you know? and and so we did where yeah i pulled back i wasn't seeing any any other guys and that's where we noticed that that was the big issue right because that's how it was so easy to fall into a relationship with this guy and you know then we started like introducing where it's like okay no you can you can go see other people i can see other people but let's of course look out He could see other people? He could see other people? The boyfriend. Oh, the boyfriend. Okay. So how did two other boyfriends come out of this after that whole thing? You know, after it seems like it didn't go that well the first time. And like, why did you wind up with two more? Right. It was time. I mean, like it was, I don't know, a good year later that it happened. you know a little bit different scenario we felt like oh okay well we we have the one bad experience under our belt like we'll learn from it and and yes we did learn but just like anything well you may not make that same mistake but you find a way to make a different mistake you know you find a different way to learn from that and then like I said the very the last one he was a couple of years later. That was the biggest one. And like I said, the biggest part of that one was because he was not lifestyle. So he did not get it. Right. Now, is that off the table now or is that something that could just like happen again and you're open to it and you guys will just deal with it when it happens? Meaning like you having a boyfriend, quote unquote. I wouldn't say it's 100% unshelfed but it's something we are very we are very cautious about right our our communication has only gotten better throughout this whole process and so we are very open with each other as to what either one of us are feeling at any time so you know I I get it like people from the outside are probably like well you know what if it happens to you again like I don't feel sorry for you. You're playing with fire. You know, I completely understand that. But, you know, we're just trying to see what works for us. And at this point, it's not so much the, well, let's see what's a little bit more exciting. You know, it's just more of a, you know, if it happens, we'll definitely navigate that a little bit quicker than we did the other situations. Right. And how about your husband and what he gets? Like, I'm assuming he's typical in that he is not interested in seeing other people or doing anything else himself and that this is all the variety he needs. Right. Or when you go to swinger clubs, is he like hooking up with women or anything? Or is that off the table? Is that something he's not even interested in? so I I have tried a couple of times to let that happen I am very jealous by nature uh so the very first time like we were at a club and and like someone kissed him that was kind of like okay that's fine but I wasn't interested in like watching it right I have slowly learned to have compersion and actually one of our last events that we had gone to here in utah it was a total change of events for us there was not a single guy at this venue that i was interested okay all girls but there was girls yep i'm like whatever i'm like i'm totally fine not playing If I recall right, it was after our second splash. And so I'm like, I'm like, I'm good. But there was a woman there who was with our best friends, a couple. And I said, go for it. Like, eat her out. Like, I want to see this. Like, for me, I have learned I like seeing him give pleasure to them. because I'm like, oh, she's got to be able to like see your skills. So I've learned to have that excitement for him. And like I said, it was actually really hot, like getting to watch him. But yeah, I don't know that I could have that same full excitement for him the way he does on a regular basis for me. Like, nope. But does he ever push you for more access to other women ever? Or is he just more into what you're doing? Yeah, he always jokes that he's like, why do I want to go out and drive a Ford Pinto when I have a Maserati at home? And I'm like, honey, you're sweet. But I'm like, there are some other hot women out there. And he's like, nah. He's like, I get them unwrapped. and they're just not nearly as exciting as you. Oh, that's nice. It's great that you're still so close so many years later. Let's get into how you did go online. I mean, should I assume that you have an OnlyFans or a Fansly or anything like that? Or are you just on X? What do you do now that you've started building a platform? Oh, really? Why don't you do an OnlyFans or something like that? Or can you monetize on X, by the way? uh you can but you have to have like a certain amount of like interactions and whatnot and then even then you still have to go have it go through like a bank account and I'm just I'm so nervous about having that go through like our personal oh yeah yeah so like I still haven't done anything there but like and I've had a lot of people I've actually talked to some content creators actually one of your guests I've talked to Doc. Oh Doc Chocolate he's one of my favorites he's the best. Yes yeah him and Fun Charlie are like oh yeah you're gonna be a content creator soon I'm like I don't know about that. I would have thought you were already wait a second did you have sex with chocolate i did oh how was it phenomenal he's great right i mean he has come on my show he's one of those guys that gives like advice on how to do do it and do it right because i think he really knows how to make women feel comfortable and make them feel okay you know what i mean like he's he knows what he's doing yes well he was one of the best things like i said is it's it's having having a connection other than just the physical right and yeah so like him and I had talked like quite a bit we had actually missed each other a couple of times in Vegas I don't oh I think I had already done a podcast like I was on his his show and then he was coming into town and so we met up this was in December last year and you know the three of us were sitting there in the hotel bar And it was just like we had known each other forever. I just felt so comfortable with him. You know, he's just like, like I said, he was interacting with my husband as well. And so it was just really great. Like I said, it was like I was meeting up with an old friend. Yeah. Yeah. He's the best. He's a great guy. Yeah. He'll help you set stuff up. But he's great. He's like, you know, I know a lot of people in my world because he does a podcast too, you know, and that's how I know him as well. And he's like one of the coolest, most generous people. And he's just like a super friendly. He's just got such a great vibe. Even over the phone, you just know he's like the nicest guy. So I could imagine in person that comes through, you know what I mean? He's, he's really, yeah, he's super nice. I love all your whole story. Yeah, I'm surprised you don't have a fansly or you know, whatever, because you can be monetizing nowadays. That's a lot of times why people do it. It's interesting, because a lot of times my listeners like will get turned off or be like oh someone with the only fans like who cares it's like but they don't understand that most of these people that are doing that kind of a thing the content creators were doing it long before they started content creating you know what i mean they start like you look at you and your husband were doing a 13 you're not even content creator you're just going on to twitter for shits and giggles but like or x right but like you know a lot of people that are doing it now we're doing it before but it's just like you know you can make money now. So if you're like your husband, a lot of guys that are into hot wifing are like your husband in that they take a lot of content and they have that whole library of their own porn of their wife. You know what I mean? Like, why not then put it online? I mean, you already are. It's interesting that you're not really monetizing it, but people can check you out if they want to, right? So why don't you give a shout out to your ex? That's all you have, right? And I'll put the name of your ex in the description so people could go and check you out for sure. yeah so it's just shared utah wife shared utah wife right no underscore no nothing right shared utah wife i'll put that in the description you got to send me some like or i could find them on your your x too because i think i follow you like i could get you know or send me some pics for my patreon i always say for my patreon make them like r-rated you know not x-rated for patreon and then for discord you could go in there you're going to get a free link when we hang up my calendly system will send you like a thank you email in that email will be the link to discord and you could go in there and there's like a content creator section you could put your x uh link in your profile so people could follow you and you could post in the content creator section anything you want but also in the guest section the guest and there you could put anything you could put videos you could put sexy pics like anything goes on discord and it's a private place but i have like 6 000 people on there so definitely go in there make sure to sign up with shared utah wife so people could find you on there. But people will definitely go check out your acts and follow you over there as well. But send me those pictures sooner than later. Okay. I love your whole story. All right. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. It was so much fun getting to chat with you. Well, listen, like I said, I just there's certain people that stand out to me and I just know them and I know their names because I see them. I don't know. And for some reason, I know you and have known you for a while. And you tried to call in once and then you couldn't call in whatever. but I'm so glad that we finally made it work and you finally came on. So, you know, if you ever do startup, but only fans in the future, you could come back on and promote that as well. But I'm, I'm sure you'll get followers from this call and anyone that follows you. I have to say when content creators come on, like, you know, even though you're not like, have a, you do have a platform on acts, right? You have like tons of people following you though. They're going to love to hear your story. You don't know what I mean? Like, it's like, they probably feel like they know you already a little bit of like, they see one part of you, you know, but they really do love hearing this kind of stuff, you know, all the details you gave me. So they're going to love hearing your story. And then you're going to get a lot of new fans from your story as well. So thanks so much for calling in. This was super fun to talk to you. Yes. Well, thank you again for having me and I'm glad we made it work. Yes, totally. Thanks so much for calling in Marie. Bye. Have a nice day. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you'd get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me, okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other, and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total Strictly Anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at strictlyanonymouspodcasts at gmail.com. That's strictlyanonymouspodcast at gmail.com and I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. book. It's still not going to be out till August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gangbang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories and they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in e-back format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you'd get into my discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you could win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audio book, the ebook or the paperback, send it to me at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. The Podcast.