4.2. Live from Houston 2026 (with Breaking News)

What's up everybody? Welcome to this very special live episode of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara presented by Brooks Running. How's it going Kara Goucher? It's okay. How's everybody doing here? You should have brought the hats again. I know we should have brought the hat. I'm excited to be here. It's been like a little bit of a heavy week for some of us and I'm excited to be around the running community and positivity so thanks everybody for coming out tonight. We're excited to be here. Yeah absolutely I think it's full swing into running news. There's been a lot of news, a lot of scrolling. I'm excited to turn over to some running stuff that's exciting this weekend. I think a big thing coming up. Well do you want to talk about your travel in or was it pretty uneventful? Because I feel like you've seen some of these people before. Yeah I mean I have to say there was people at the airport coming tonight so all of you who said hi hi again. I'm wearing the same clothes and my hair is even bigger probably than when you saw me at the airport because the humidity is amazing so. How you liking your fresh cut? Fresh cut. Fresh your fresh cut. Yes I have a totally fresh haircut. I chopped my hair off yesterday and I'm so excited about it. You know like my hair stylist she's like or my hair salon my stylist. I'm like I want to cut my hair off and she's like okay are you sure? I'm like yep so she had me sit and like my hair came a little bit below my sports bra and she cut like that. Sorry wait. No I mean I was wearing a shirt. No but where does your sports bra go? Like down here. Okay it was like it looked more belly button-ish I was like which sports bra comes down to here? It's amazing quality and she cut it and I was like I go yes and she goes okay you're ready because she was like not ready to cut it as much as I wanted it so I passed the test. Did you cut enough to donate? I did. Oh nice good for you yeah I love that. Yeah so I mean it's not a big deal but it is to me I'm super excited about it. It looks great it's not that short. It's so short to me but yeah it feels me anyway if you live in this area tell me what products I need for when I'm back in humidity. My hair has been growing like every time I'm outside it's like a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more so like hit me up in the comments and let me know what I need to calm this hair. Yeah how about that weather did you walk off the plane and just get punched in the face with heat? Okay so I love Denver where we had well there wasn't a ton of snow in Denver but in Boulder we had five inches or so and you know it's 20 some degrees at the airport and I landed here and it was just like yeah crazy heat wave I was not ready for it. Did you have a jacket on? I had a sweatshirt and a jacket I was bundled up and I was like oof don't need that. Yeah no I had like the long sleeve and the Brooks Puffy you know it was just like I made it about three steps and I was like I need to put this all away before I walk anymore yeah. It's pretty humid but I think the weather is going to get better. I think it is it's trending in the right direction it was pretty windy this afternoon which kind of symbolized the system blowing through all the warmth going out. Look at you with the weather. If the local weather needs any help I'm available right after the show it's blowing through and cooler temps are on the way. Yeah. Tell us about your traveling you came in yesterday. I did I planned ahead last year I spent a long time in the airport and then I had an extra day in a hotel because weather was wild so I was thinking of you Kara and I was like you know what I better just get in ahead of time in case there's any cancellation delays it would have been a one-person show. Yeah that would have been amazing. Yeah actually it would have been really watch. Maybe I'll just set that up one time. I don't know Chris did an amazing intro I feel like you could it we neither of us could have shown up and he could have ran the show you guys would have been waiting like is he gonna bring them out I don't know and then it was just like an hour. Did you have a run here this morning. I did not I had a lazy day. Oh take a day off. Good for you. Stretched out walked around I debated wearing my shorts I got a new pair of Brooks shorts to this show because they were like they're so beachy they have these colors right now that are just like crazy beachy and I was feeling it with the temps. Yeah but I decided to be more professional and wear these jeans with holes. So that was it that was my day was pretty lazy. That's good it's called recovery day. Yeah the loud yeah yeah yeah cool. What else did you get up to did you scroll any news about the races what's coming up on the schedule. I'm excited about. Well so this is a big running weekend in general right because we're all here for Houston which we're excited about but also tomorrow is a pretty big day in Tallahassee Florida. Yeah yeah we're all cross country championships in the United States that's pretty exciting. Huge absolutely I think when do we know in the last time they were here is Boston. Was that in 92. That sounds right. I'm sure someone will let us know. Young Cara is computing in her brain because that's when Lynn Jennings won I think for the third time and I believe it was 92 and I had that picture of her from Sports Illustrated up in my room but I could be wrong on the date. Location we're pretty clear on that. Yeah that was an epic year because Lynn Jennings won the senior race and Paula Radcliffe won the junior race and they you know both became icons. I mean Lynn Jennings won Olympic medal Paula Radcliffe world champion world record holder so pretty good. Did you ever run World Cross. I did. What year. 2006. Okay tell me about the experience I never did World Cross so. I ran World Cross in Fukuoka Japan. Oh fun. It was really fun it was the first team that Adam and I had made together. Okay so we were really excited and I actually didn't make the team because the top six make it and I got seventh. Just post collegiate or were you still in college. This was post collegiate and then Lauren Fleschman got injured and I got to go. This is such a horrible story but I was so excited and I rarely ever drank and we had a friend who had won a meet in Portland he had won this road race and got his weight in beer and I drank three beers and threw up and my sister was visiting and she was like what are you doing. You're going to the World Cross Country Championships and I was like yeah that was bad but anyway. Celebrate the way. I was so excited like my dreams are coming true as my first time getting a US kit all that stuff so exciting. I do think we have some questions about three beers being like. I'm pretty sure. We're going we're going from Margaritas afterwards and we've already talked about this. I never drank back then. Anyway it was great. It was super exciting. I was like very excited to like be by all the athletes I looked up to. World Cross Country was it is so hard though. Like you've probably heard the stories you definitely have of it like the first half mile is they're racing it like it's an 800. It's insane. Did you feel like NCAA Cross said it like gave you any experience any like sort of what to expect how to race it. It's like NCAA Cross on steroids. Yeah. Yeah. It is just like everyone is just barreling out and I just couldn't do that. So I actually had a good race because I just was out the back but then I just moved my way up. I think I finished 20th or something which was way better than I was expected to get because I wasn't even supposed to be there. How were the crowds. What was the scene like. What were like what made it feel like a world event. There were so many people that it was really blind really well. It was actually cool because Adam raced the first day and I raced the second day so I watched him first and he got six and it was so sad because he got six in the world and he didn't even get a ribbon or anything. And we had bought like this camera like we had saved our money and bought this camera and I was like he's going to go on the award stand. He didn't even get a shout out. It was kind of sad but super exciting because he ran so amazing and I remember he was this is like old school but Craig Matrim had just won a world championship medal in Helsinki in the 5000 and he was like kicking by Craig Matrim and we were going crazy and then so we were just so happy that night so excited for him and then I think that helped my race because I just was excited. Did he give you a tell us he like hey this is where you need to run like this. Is that you need to get out or was he like I don't this is your thing. You're fine. Yeah. Go out there and do it. Yeah. But yeah I just remember seeing all the different coaches all the uniforms. It was very packed around the entire course and I don't and it was the first time I had been like lining up with people I looked up to so that was pretty exciting and nerve-wracking but did you do Jersey swap afterwards. I totally wanted to but everyone around me thought that was dumb. That's a bummer. I didn't get another Jersey. No I would have been so into that. Yeah. I feel like you should have just stepped up and been like I bet you everyone was thinking that and they were all just like no. Someone just needed to be like I'm not going to do it. Exactly. Yeah. Did you ever run US Cross. I did not. Cross was the one thing I really never put an emphasis on and I think if I have a regret it would be not trying to make a team because I made myself on the back here but I made outdoor teams indoor teams road teams I could in world cross country is the one team I didn't make and that always looked really cool. Yeah. So it was great hearing about your story. Oh well. I curiously do that. I want to know. Yeah. I don't know why I never ran it again. I made it 07 and we chose not to go. I think because it was a world championship year and it was I can't remember now. I think that the championships were actually in Kenyon. We're just worried about all the travel and then being ready recovering from that and then being ready for the US outdoor champs but it was awesome and it's really cool that it's in the US tomorrow. It's just it's awesome. Yeah. What do you think it's going to be like from a spectators perspective. Do you think that it seems like a lot of people are there. I feel like obviously Houston it sounded like it sold out really quickly. People are here. There's Disney going on this weekend but I think people are pretty amped about it. What do you think the attendance will be like. The energy will be like. What do you anticipate. I hope it'll be packed. I hope it'll be awesome. It's 2k loops so you get to see so much of the race like back when I was running they had 4k and 8k for the women and then they had 4k and 12k for the men and now it's just one straight race. So I hope that people will go out and support it. We saw you sent me a video of the course today. It looks wild. It looks so fun. It does look fun. Let's I mean there's a ton of races. We now have the relays as well which I think is really cool and I think the course will be extra fun for those shorter races where you have to be pretty aggressive like right out the gates and even as you're saying just that start in that race is so important but it looks like it gets out quickly and just goes up this monster hill kind of this artificial thing. What do you think of that. Does it look steep. What is it like. What do you think in from tactics. I think it looks pretty steep. It actually is very similar to the course I ran in Japan. We went straight up a hill like that and I think it's it's like people will sprint up that thing and then they'll be questioning their choices. Their fingers will be tingling on the other side but I think that's exciting. It is a little gimmicky like there's alligators and this and that but I kind of love it. Struggle back. How do you know it's a gator. How do I know it's a gator. Yeah Florida. No it's because you'll see him later. Oh science. That is a sad joke right there. But I kind of like the gimmicky part of it because it's like they're I'm tired and I've talked about this on the pod so I'm sorry but I'm I'm tired of cross country being like track with grass. Explain these gators though because I feel like people think maybe they're gators. There's not real gators. OK so they've added this big uphill right at the beginning of the 2K loop and then they have this stretch where you're running across these logs. There's like six in a row. Yeah a little break and then it's a little steeply type situation. Yeah but they they I mean they're obviously like wood logs. Oh yeah they're not carved into these gators and I think it's interesting because like by the the sixth one or whatever the last one is it's a little bit higher than the rest of them. I just feel like people are going to hit their shins on that. Oh for sure. Like you know I mean if you're in a group and you're like OK same kind of rhythm you're tired and fatigued a little too at the end of the race. Yeah and it's not a situation where you can go around like there is space on the side but they're going to have officials there to make sure everyone is going over unlike NCAA cross they're going to make people run on the course I heard. Yeah so. But the video you sent me too has I mean the mud stretch is crazy muddy. Yeah well crazy. Credit to Let's Run who is out there filming this that's the video we both watched and they kind of took us around and explained it all but yeah that mud stretch looks deep. It looks like it will take your shoes and it sounds like they're going to go back and add some water to it tomorrow which I don't know if that's going to be better or worse like maybe it won't be as tacky and it'll be more sloppy so like sliding around element but I'm fine with that versus losing a shoe. Yeah. That's a strategic thing you're going to have to think about right how are you lacing up are you taping your shoes kind of spikes are you wearing would you take your shoes. I would. Yeah I would too. I would go like up to my knee for sure. Like you would get eaten by that munch. You would not survive it. You'd be like did it. Yeah. But that stretch that stretch will be interesting too because that's near that's getting close to the finish on the last lap around so you come out of that mud if it's close I mean you're working your way through that you're trying to stay upright you're trying to keep your shoes on then you get on the grass and it's sprint home. Yeah I mean they're doing unless you're on the mixed relay you're doing that lap four times for the women five times for the men right that sounds fun by the last race of the day the last lap last race of the day that's going to be that's it's going to be must watch TV which you can watch it you can watching this it's going to be on NBC and Peacock right you guys are hanging out tomorrow kicking your feet up not walking around too long at the Exple and all of those things turn it on and enjoy some some good racing. Yeah there's also what a water pit there's a water pit there's a sand stretch yeah I mean I'm just imagining these shoes like gathering material as they run through the course like artificial grass and sand the mud is going to like lock it all in yeah it's going to be crazy I think it's really cool that they leaned in to making it challenging instead of just saying hey we have this flat course it's going to be fast they were like no no no we're going to be super creative. I agree I think that you could criticize if it had been on a golf course and super flat like I mean I think that USA's wasn't super flat fast easy but still this is a whole another level and I think that will help make it interesting but I you know does this fit into innovation is that we talk about we critique and criticize all the time is this innovation or is it just I think it's great creativity creativity it's like this is what we have but we want it to be exciting we want it to be challenging so we're going to make it that way yeah and it just kind of shows you I mean we'll see what the athletes think tomorrow when they're done but it just kind of shows you don't have to innovation doesn't have to be like a something in your shoe okay you know you sure it could be a mud pit or a crocodile log. Crocodiles oh it is it's crocodiles I don't know I'm so confused it's a chomper chomper log later or in a while pick a side I don't know all right we'll look at them tomorrow we'll analyze it and see okay all right well those will be fun races I'm excited for that that's going to kind of kick off the year really yeah so that'll be fun I think we got some we didn't talk about this we got some fun news today about the two mile and mower roses which is coming up later an additional ad was Josh Kerr in that race with Cole Hawker and Grant Fisher so that's exciting that's down the line we have Disney marathon stuff that's always fun people out there doing the goofy challenge have feelings about that we can talk about that after and obviously Houston so I think we talked about innovation here's something that's not innovation and is actually interesting and unique we always think about fast times here and we have these incredible half marathon fields the weather's shaping up I've heard it's PR weather that's what the the weather person said today the system is pushing out slow times and pulling in PRs be ready ready to go so that's on deck but this year in the half they do not have Pacers oh I don't know that yeah breaking it's not really breaking but yeah so that'll be interesting I think these fields are incredibly deep what do you think that does what do you think that does to strategies the times we can talk about the fields a little bit here but just start with that I like that because it becomes a race right and I understand the importance of races where you time trial for a PR I 100% understand that there's a place for them and this is typically a place for people to do that but what I really love is racing which is why I love the Olympics and real championships and all that stuff so I'm excited because the fields are really deep and we get to see these people not say I mean and there will be some people who aren't ready to just crush it yet because it is so early or they're coming off something but most of the people that are here are probably pretty fit it's our first taste of the year we get to see them like race right you can't just if you're gonna if you're trying to run a really fast time that's fine but you're not gonna know for sure that you have someone helping you run that pace right you're gonna have to do it all by yourself or you could just be like I'm not gonna do that I'm gonna race and try to win this thing yeah I love I love the decision making it puts on people to ride out the gates because if you do want that fast time and that's what you're ready for and you said in late November or early December I'm gonna sign up for Houston I know it's gonna be fast you know they're gonna have Pacers I know I'm gonna hit that PR and you did all the training you do the workout and then you got close and they're like hey actually this year we won't have Pacers but you still want that fast time because you feel like you're ready for it like those people have that decision right from the gun I gotta be the aggressor I have to make this happen I have to force the issue and and they go for it and then the folks who are also in that position but race you know it's just you know right away what's gonna happen and then you see people even with that fitness go you know what actually winning today is more important and I can wait and use this fitness later and so it's it's an interesting strategy right from the gun do you think any players came in here just thinking time time time oh probably yeah I mean that's what Houston is known for especially the half right is ripping a fast time at the beginning of the year like laying that time down um I was just thinking how last year it the weather was not perfect there was an American record on the men's side and it I feel like it came because they were racing it did but it's also it's funny because I feel like Mans was the guy who just was like I no one's going with me I don't care and I I don't know if he edged in front of the Pacers at points but it just seemed like he could have cared less that they were there it was like I'm ready from the gun he was like if I if I'm gonna make this record happen I have to go out and get it but I remember him showing a little bit of control later in the way yeah tucking back in and like gathering himself I don't know but races are always great here I definitely think that a lot of athletes come here to run fast because they know the course is fast the weather is usually pretty good it's reliable I mean just look at the history of the times you know it's a fast course yeah there's nothing wrong with that so do you think that a lot of athletes thought there were going to be Pacers I literally don't know anything about this you're telling me right on this yeah no I I would imagine so I mean I think that's just kind of assumed when you sign up for Houston right and I don't know how it unfolded or when that switched um but I think when you're preparing for the race it's like you're just getting as fit as possible and then you come here in here and you kind of have your discussions like this is the pace as it's going to be so maybe those just discussion to take place with your competitors right hey like this is what I'm trying to run will you want to help like how do you how do you want to take a couple miles I'll take a couple miles or let's work together or even just knowing what people are shooting for is going to be helpful and there's a lot of guys who've run pretty fast I think a lot of returners from last year who were in that 60 mid-range that I'm sure are looking to kind of dip under that um and so on the American side will be really great competition I don't think it'll be any slower just because there aren't pacemakers I don't think so either I mean I think there's always the prestige of winning in Houston like getting I mean man set the record last year but he didn't get the win and it was that big sprint finish and I'm sure that just eats at him right he wants the win as well so that's a that's a big part of it and I don't think anyone would be backing off no do we want to talk about these fields yeah shoot us some names I'm like in my mind I'm having this conversation around the men's side okay so do you want to talk about the men first yeah start there I'm cheating because I'm pulling it up um and making it bigger because I don't have my reading glasses um Vincent Nyadich 5909 frontrunner yeah Galen Rupp who's been a while since he probably ran that 59 47 but he looked pretty solid in Chicago Hilary Bohr Cam Levens by a Sambasa Sam Chillinga Andrew Colley Alex Mayer Marcelo Langara Reed Fisher Rory Linkletter Ryan Ford I mean the list just goes on yeah and then I'm interested in this Casey Klinger debut yeah I think that's a little bit confusing right he has the 25k American record which means he's passing through the half marathon in route but is his official half marathon debut and obviously he ran 25k since the American record looks really good doing it so it'll be fun to see him come out here and and just go for a good one yeah and I mean he's got to be frustrated after Chicago I think the expectations were super high I think you saw that 25k what he could do and it was like well of course he's going to go run 208 209 and I think in a debut that's just a big ask no matter what but he went and swung away nothing to lose and faded over the last you know 10 miles or so six miles or so so I think it's a little bit of a redemption moment for him just to kind of boost confidence show he can compete with these guys and um yeah I'm excited to see what he can do yeah we'll be really good I have to say Samuel is debuting as well yeah I think that's going to be sort of the question mark is what can he do 20 22 year old 23 year old just fresh off ncw cross country win he was chasing that title for a while had a couple just little hiccups like lost a shoe fell down like silly reasons that kind of kept him out of it obviously punched through this I mean he was racing grand blanks too who's yeah not not too bad but when you lose a shoe it makes it a little tougher for sure so hopefully you can keep your shoes on on sunday and put together a nice day here not florida so he'll be fine yeah yeah I think that'll be exciting to see what he does yeah and he just was in the ncw championships I guess it was a month and a half ago now but it seems like it just happened what do you think about that turnaround in general I mean what do you think about people coming back from New York and trying to run fast here I think that seems tighter and then also we're we're about a week earlier than normal like yeah how does that factor in I think I mean it depends like did you have fun on the holidays or did you ignore them like did you plow right through them you know like I think about in 2016 and 2012 I like plowed right through the holidays right because we had the Olympic trials coming up especially 2012 because the Olympic trials were here I tell the story but it's true like sorry if there's a little kids here but santa came two weeks later or three weeks later and cult was none the wiser he had no idea we didn't decorate we didn't do anything and then the Olympic trials were over and the tree went up and santa came and it was almost February you know it was amazing thanks santa um but then there's had to prove he was a good boy yeah um but then there's other years where it's not quite as important and you need to enjoy that time because you want to with your family or mentally you need that time and so it kind of depends on like where the athletes are coming from do you think this year is any different I feel like people come off an olympic year if you made the team you're just on a high if you're actually jumping back in if you didn't you're you know on the war path of like I have to make the team and I'm going to prove myself and it seems like people try to do that immediately do you think this year is a different energy mentally and how does that kind of impact what people are doing I do think it's a different a little bit of a reset year which the athletes deserve there's no of course there's all the big races that we love but there is no olympics there is no world championships and it gives athletes a little breathing room to maybe start a little later in the season or maybe try a little bit different training method or maybe come down to the half for a full year whatever it is it feels less frantic than it did a year ago that's a good way to put it I agree with that yeah I feel like there's just things to prove things to prove right away and it's it's interesting because a lot of people who knock it out of the park after olympic disappointment tend to have that down year now it's like oh that was too much too soon that was too aggressive like actually this is a four-year window I need to be thinking about yeah so it's always interesting to see who's who is where at this time of year in in this off year sort of yeah all right we want to dig into the the ladies we'll know if race gents but the women's race is more exciting um this is such a good field and it's such a good american field it's sensational so uh gabba salama who's run 64 21 is here I feel like she might be the favorite um there's churchers 66 0 1 deroba 66 24 a couple other amazing athletes but then I'm excited because and again we don't know I mean a few of them are in the audience I heard we don't know what everyone's goal is to get out of on sunday is it like just getting the legs back under you is it going for a big pr we don't know but it's so exciting as fans to get to see these women line up so we have taylor row a man to vestry coming back from her big awesome debut in new york marathon debut annie frisbee dakota popain mackenna myler natasha rogers nil roe haas who's anna sullivan who was fourth at the world championships this summer and then came back and ran new york is 11th yes erica kemp who was at world champs um megay montoya so just like yes name after name after name yeah it's it's exciting stuff and I think that I think this would be a group that can really push each other to pr's push each other to break through days um do you think they'll contend with the front or do you think that's a separate race I mean the american women are just stepping up left and right I feel like there's a lot of those women who have run 67 mid who are ready to run under 67 minutes so I think it just depends if they're running 64 flat out front maybe not especially this early in the year but if they're running 66 mid 66 high absolutely I think we have a few women who give you that yeah and I what I'm excited about too is I think out of all those names we I just read I think our olympic teams in there there's a few people missing but in general I think the la olympic team is in that group of women bold I like that yeah I just do I think there's a couple couple of big names missing but I think this is like a fresh crop and it's going to be it's exciting yeah no I'm excited to see it I think um Susanna Sullivan's coming back obviously ran great at the world championships last year at this race she took a little spill early on oh yeah so there's a little redemption race for her as well I think we have that fitness and you feel like you have the day to run fast and you see other people running fast and then you have this incident that kind of takes it away and it's like out of your hands it's super frustrating so you wait a whole year to have the moment to be like no look I told you I was ready I think that we'll see a big performance from her I'm excited about the Puma Elite group they've been incredible I think on the men's side they have two or three guys running and then Taylor Rowe on the women's side who looked spectacular last year um I think she debuted here and I think she could flirt with the American record and I think she could pull vestry along with her if not the other way around so I could see that happening um and I'm excited to see Erica Kemp step down after absolutely dominating at the marathon last year putting a good one together she knows the roads well she has the crowd behind her she knows what it's like to do really well here and have that breakthrough so I'd like to see that in the half as well want to know why I want her to have a really good day go for it why because I feel like she was the sportswoman of award of world championships yeah she does not have the race she wants she still finished she keeps running it's her nightmare everything's falling apart she's like keeps going she's like I'm finishing this thing and then immediately she switches to hype mode to her teammates yeah she's not like poor me I didn't have the day I wanted she's like you guys are awesome how did they do I'm so proud of them and I just I love that that's what the sport's about so I want Erica to have a big day tomorrow uh Sunday yeah I mean I think that she's someone who's just been super resilient she's bounced back from what our little setbacks you know I think for her in the grand scheme of things there'll be little setbacks but marathon debut wasn't exactly what she'd hoped for and then she comes back to Houston and crushes it so straight at last yeah I think that that wouldn't be a shock at all to see her have a monster day on Sunday yeah um who else anybody else in there that we're excited about I'm sure I mean all of them yeah yeah it's gonna be a great day it's just exciting you know like I was burnt out on running believe it or not come the end of November I was like I don't even want to talk about it but now I'm like over it I'm ready any thoughts on Pacers for that group does that matter here or is it uh are we gonna see people working together or I mean I haven't asked any does that does that make things slow up in any scenario do you think people will be like oh I don't want to go to the front and then all the sudden it becomes very tactical I think if it's a 64 minute race people just have to think like am I ready to make this four or five minute jump or three minute jump but I think if it hangs in that like I said 66 30 66 50 range I think it's I would be happy to see people go for it I mean you don't know until I try you know yeah it's only gonna be January 11th there's a lot of the year to come back and get it right if it doesn't go right you're sure is there a world road running champs this year I don't know why I was just thinking about that I feel like there there is I feel like there might I feel like last year a lot of folks targeted us have to try to make the world championships for road running I think it I think there is one this year so yeah again like this is kind of the swing for the fences and then there's other opportunities to you know win a national title and obviously trying to make a world team and then depending where that is and what the conditions are get pulled along there so it's it's a long year and there's a lot of opportunities but this is kind of a go for broke it I mean it just depends right some I want people to go on commit it's fun but you just everybody's at a different place and that's what's with the half what's you never really know what you're seeing you don't know if someone's prepared just for the half or if this is like a checkpoint in training so in my dream scenario everyone's fitting ready to go and they're just gonna like rage on Sunday that's a really fun thing to bring up because I think this will be a good indicator we don't know what's on the other side of it but we will start to see spring marathon announcements very soon right so a lot of this we don't have the context now maybe we'll get some pre-race interviews some post-race recaps and how people are when they're thinking but we're not going to get the announcements until soon right and then that adds some context to what people are doing what they're up to for sure you're on the broadcast on Sunday I am so if you're not racing you can listen to Dez if you're not cheering on your loved one just stay inside you're probably not going to hear her but who are your two big favorites or who are your favorites in the marathon in the marathon I'm excited to see Zoher Talby run he set the course record last year I believe and had a great race here he's now a US citizen he cannot represent the US international competitions yet but I believe by 2028 he will be able to so he'll run as an American here and I don't think it's I think it's been years since an American has won this race in the men's side so that'll be exciting to see if he can get it done good competition there I think last year's runner-up is in the race and not incredibly deep which ironic is there are a ton of Pacers so he'll have a lot of help and I think he's looking to I want to say he's right around 205 flat maybe in the mid-range there so that's that's the intended goal so he's looking to go fast that'll be exciting maybe it's 206 I need to look at my notes but that'll be fun and I think we also see him on the other side of that where he's been really conservative and the front's gone out hard and you know he caught up and moved through and won a race that way so it'll be interesting to see him kind of be the aggressor and see if he can hold on or if that group that maybe is a little more conservative can run him down if he you know overextends himself early into that little commentator she's gonna crush it on Sunday or what and on the women's side we have I think Callie Thackerie is going to be the front runner a few other names there was some switching late I'm not sure hasn't been confirmed yet but she might have a little bit more competition than she expected but I do think she'll be the front runner and she ran world champs in the 10,000 meter on the track and then we looked this up she ran Chicago that's what it was and then came back and ran Honolulu which was late December. Miserably hot day she finished was you know on the ground ejecting she was done she was she was what you would call cooked and she's back now trying to trying to go again which I think will be really fascinating I mean I think you can feel really good early on but when the fatigue of the miles at you but also the last race and the race before that that gets really tough and I don't think she's looking for a slow day I think she's trying to be aggressive so we'll see how she holds together yeah that'll be exciting yeah cool looking forward to it yeah any any comments on the marathons oh I got one more go ahead do you I don't have any okay wait you might have something when I say this also Dot McMahon 49 year old she's gonna be out here looking for trials qualifier number six super exciting she ran 235 last year I believe a seventh place so she's got it in her another year later but I don't even think Dot knows age I love that you brought her up I know she's gonna get the qualifier she is like as steady as they come and she's I know she's 49 but whatever she isn't yeah and I cannot believe that she's still racing at this level it blows my mind every time this as you said this would make her a six time qualifier I mean a five time Olympic trials qualifier insane but she already had has proven to us that she can make it a six time so like it's not if she doesn't do it on Sunday it's over anything like that but I'm I'm so excited to see that that's so cool yeah that'll be super fun and she will also have Pacers there will be Pacers in the women's marathon as well Sarah Hall is gonna be pacing Cali I believe and celebrity pacer for Dot McMahon and the trials qualifying group Fiona O'Keefe will be in there pacing that crew which is really cool that is cool one story yeah and I like that people are helping each other out you know yeah it seems way more common we saw Jess McLean jump in the marathon project I think it's like I need to run anyways my team's here this is I can help someone else out I can get aid stations during my long run why not you know yeah I mean it I miss being that fit sure I'll take you through 18 at your race space why not cool all right you want to talk a little bit state of the pod for a few minutes and then we'll take some questions sure yeah well I mean what's the state of the pot too chatty there but um yeah we were just reminiscing that we put out our first podcast about three years ago and so we're starting year four and it's kind of been a wild ride right yeah I think it's been great I don't think it's been wild at all I think it's been pretty steady and I think it's been wild that what's wild tell me I think like all the people that support us is a little bit wild it is wild that one is yeah I was thinking about the pod itself okay the pod itself is like people actually listening to it is wild that's people that listen to it and I think like the opportunity opportunities that it's brought us like I will never forget that we call the Olympic marathon together definitely a highlight I think if we had to pick highlight of the pod yeah sharing the booth at the games was that was epic right and that never would have happened without the pod very true so it's just been fun I remember you were in Boulder you we went to that coffee shop we asked each other a bunch of questions um that was original pod art before we upgraded to this beautiful shot here this was taken in Paris we should tell them the story behind this yeah so we're in Paris and we're like we need to get more content we need to get more photos so we went on this amazing Brooks little boat cruise and had lunch it was so delicious and then was it after we did that that we did yeah there's a lot of wine on the boat there's a lot of wine and then we get off and we're like let's take some pictures look at all these crazy things we can stand by it's so beautiful we should do a picture was horrid a carousel of terrible options and this is what we ended up with but the worst part is that someone was filming us yeah while we were pretending like not pretending while we were trying to jump at the same time which apparently we did a lot of these we did a lot of trying to high five missing and someone was filming the whole thing yeah so I mean that could be in there blooper we could have a whole blooper show we definitely could um what do you think about another hot ones did people like did people like hot ones anybody watch hot ones caro wants to do it again she's begging I don't think my stomach can handle it though there was a lot of comments on that when I backed my chair up and people were like oh she farted I knew you were gonna bring this up to try to clear your name yeah 100 because it was like why would hot why would hot sauce make you fart I don't know it didn't really make a difference I could see that that makes that exit makes sense but it happened so quick I didn't even know it was gonna happen it just happened it was like so shocking it really was I I actually have the set at home because I was like I don't know why I like it I like this pain and my brother-in-law and sister-in-law were over for Christmas and they listened they're listeners of the show friends of the pod and we were talking about the sauces and I was like oh my gosh you guys should have some and so my brother-in-law did uh seven eight nine ten and I did it with him just as a supporter and he was like so cocky he was so cocky he was like this isn't this isn't that hot and then you started putting more on they'd eat annihilated him yeah he was he was kicked like he he got real quiet for a bit I'm not saying that I managed it well but I was like no you're not tougher than this like he was uncomfortable for a while which means happening in the body yeah one of my favorite things about that was that you guys met Chris earlier he introduced us we did at his house and then apparently his wife came home and just like tried them all it was like yeah those are good yeah and we were like dying like I drank the whole milkshake I was having like like my heart was about to it was gonna burst out of my body I thought I was dying you had some trouble there was a couple days of touch and go yeah it was brutal anyway I think one of my favorite things is just the amount one that people listen that's awesome but the amount of people we've met on the road at different events and people who passing by like I listen to the pod that's so awesome is really cool just that people are interested in it and and the other side of it is meeting Chris obviously but you brought up Amy and that was she's like one of my favorite people watching her eat that sauce and just like no problem like I'm so glad I got to meet her as well yeah she's awesome well I'm excited to kick off the year with you and we're doing a lot of live pods this year yes I'm excited that we get to do in real life meetups which is really exciting so I'm gonna say we don't usually do this so we have a lot of news this year all a lot of things coming out as you said so I'm gonna say if you get if you can if you haven't done this already subscribe to the pod subscribe to the YouTube that helps us a ton tell your friends to subscribe to it I think people maybe just see our posts or whatever it may be but subscribing goes a long way as well yeah we have a lot of fun stuff coming up this year not just trying to do that too much but yeah subscribe like and subscribe and watch these videos and they always yell at the end like and subscribe smash that like button okay awesome all right yeah so that's the best way to get news listen to the pod subscribe and follow the socials and we'll be dropping a lot more fun stuff this year but for now we're gonna open it up for questions who's got questions well I'll ask one first so we can get it going it looks great yeah right I've gotten this question as a coach people are like freaking out though the weather's great they're like it's great now there's all this pressure to deliver because I've got this perfect chance how should people deal with that thought I mean I think it's a super exciting opportunity I don't think that there's anything else to think about beyond that it's like hey I have this opportunity to go do something special and I've trained and prepared and let me take my my chance and you go and find out that's what the training is for at the end of it you're gonna know you know I don't think that you change your goal to be more aggressive or take advantage of it in a bigger way but if you're prepared and you trust your training go and see what you're made of and it's the perfect opportunity to find out how good you are so I think it's this is what is exciting and have fun with it and don't make it any bigger than it needs to be it's just a really really fun opportunity yeah I agree just reframe as it's an opportunity right and you've done the training you know what you're capable of running and guess what there's going to be another marathon if it doesn't go how you hope so just try to have fun and be like great that's one thing I don't have to worry about is the weather now I can just focus on all the other steps did you ever watch the movie point break yeah remember when they had like what is like the 30 year storm like the waves are perfect I've been waiting 30 years for this but then he got it he nailed it you will too moral the story has worked out all right questions hello um I want to hear y'all's thoughts on the fact that it's 2026 and there is still a discrepancy in distance for world cross between men and women are they 10k or they 8k 10k I should know this um there's definitely discrepancy at the ncda I feel like everything should be even I'm actually like annoyed that we're still talking about this it's really weird to me especially in the ncda that the women run 6k at the national championship and the men run 10k and that it's such a big difference it's almost like two different sports and I I got them I I got really into this like five years ago and tried to have it changed and nothing happened and I'm so I'm sort of exhausted but I just don't understand I think it's ridiculous I think both men and women run the marathon both men and women run the 10k both men and women run the 3000 meter steeple chase so whatever it is it should be the same across the board I agree with that I mean I think um 6k to 10k in ncda is insane there's a lot of things that the ncda is doing that are insane so it makes sense um but I will say the other side of that is it's kind of like uh when people are like oh well I've done a marathon and you've only done a 5k it's like 5k's can hurt just as much or more than a marathon so it's not any less but at the same time it's like let's just pick a distance and have everyone do it I'm not sure more is like better I agree but the reasoning is that not as many women will run it for sure and that's baloney sandwich when I was in college we ran 5k yeah and my senior year they moved it to 6k and coaches were like I'm not gonna be able to field a team and guess what everyone fielded a team everyone around the extra kilometer nobody's uterus is fell out and everything was fine yeah I mean I think that's largely been debunked for your point but I think that we're seeing really great racing on the women's side for sure really great racing on the men's side the distance just pick something I mean and I think 8k for everyone or 10k for everyone or 6k for everyone is fine but again I don't look at it and think of like oh this is less it's just different yeah my two cents what's the status of the save the 10 000 is it now a fall we are still awaiting the results of the poll that we're not totally sure is being sent out we shared on the pod we've asked for feedback will it be would it be useful for athletes to have a 10 000 in the fall we were told they were gonna ask the athletes we don't know yeah I mean I think that there's been a few things on our plate that have been priority up till now but I think that one's obviously shifting to the top of the list right now because we have to make decisions and we have to either be all in or let people know that we're not doing it whatever it may be but yeah I think that's that's climbing up the priority list for us and we would love to do it but also we want to make sure there's an actual need for it and so that's that's a big thing that we're trying to figure out and so when we get information back we'll make some some big decisions and and if you subscribe to the pod we'll let you know does what are your plans for the trail racing side in 2026 and what are you most excited for as you get deeper into the trail role yeah I have a few things coming up nothing I gotta get some bibs confirmed before I say anything but I feel pretty good about it the one I am 100 doing is MDS in in April and so that I've been excited I don't think I've been this excited for a race in a really long time just from an experience perspective of doing something so foreign so different if you don't know about MDS it's a six or seven day stage race through the Sahara Desert self-supported and I'm going to do it with Magdalena Louie Boulay and my friend David Hashim who is a photographer and so we'll have a team and we did our first like team kickoff call and it just sounds like it's going to be so terribly miserable hard and like I'm just so excited I can't wait so that's that's it my mind is on that like heat training carrying a backpack all kinds of stuff that I've never done before I might even go in the gym breaking news breaking news hi doesn't care I thought about this question when I was packing today and I'm sorry in advance of your answer makes you sound elitist but I was wondering if y'all ever have to have had throwaway sweats for any race situation as a pro in your pro career like I mean I'm sure y'all don't have like a good will sweat shirt or sweat pants but have you ever needed like anything like that any crazy race situations um I experienced my first throwaway carol a couple years ago at a 5k I was like so we just leave it here um I'm not gonna lie I was like wait what that's why I bring something I don't want anymore um so no but I did as a we ran the New York City Marathon together in 2014 and it was crazy freezing on the starting line and so the night before I went out and bought a blanket and I was because you have to if you're in the elite field on the elite field you have to be lined up so early for tv and all that stuff and announcements and um introductions and so I had this blanket and it was crazy how afterwards I first of all all these other women not dead but these other women were trying to like get in the blanket with me and I felt so bad but I was like no um but then it was on the internet that it was like my son's blanket because it had a train on it and I tossed it and then someone got it back to me because I thought it was my son's blanket and then for a while I went with the store I was like yeah it was my son's blanket I totally lied anyway we still have the blanket it's his now yeah that's a good one um I mean I think I guess I'll give you guys the in we bring stuff and they give us a little tag for it and then they collect it so you throw it away but then they collect it and bring it to the finish line but if it doesn't make it then your brand just gives you a new one so it's so there's that that's one side of it two the other there there are times like Keras thing where it's just cold like the first couple miles so there's been a number of years where I'll take a shirt and you have to have your bib showing right so that's the big thing so I'll just cut like a hole where the bib goes and then you throw that off as you run and I don't get that one back so that is a throw away um and then this year I did in New York and I wasn't sure what protocol was going to be so uh Celsius gave me this sweatshirt and it was like massive Celsius it was it was a lot and I was like this is perfect this is this is a throwaway sweatshirt and then they gave it back to me and I was like damn so I was ready for it but yeah that's kind of we are very spoiled howdy um so I have some races on the dock for this year that have big incline their bridge races I grew up where it's flat it is flat where I live in this area so what is your suggestion I do have a treadmill so that's an option so from the elitist point of view how do I get better at hills I think you use that you use that treadmill I mean the first time I ran Boston I went up to flag staff for like three or four weeks before and I paid the gym money to let me put two by fours under it so I could run at a super steep downhill for my second runs elites were just like you you know and it's like that's how I toughen up my quads because I knew they were going to take a beating during the race so I mean if you really can't get anything outside then just take advantage of your treadmill and just know you're gonna have to suffer on that treadmill a little bit but you'll thank yourself later in the race for sure yeah 100% agree just utilize the treadmill doesn't have to be all the time but might as well get used to it you have it and it'll make you a little mentally tougher too parking garage he'll repeat also a good suggestion here done that hi y'all if you deal with post race blues what are some ways that you deal with those um I feel like I kind of just think about that race live with the result good bad whatever it may be I'm usually pretty excited for a break and I think that that's something that I schedule in do something fun or put your shoes away for a while and then when you start to miss them which make yourself take a certain amount of time and then when you start to miss them that's usually when you get going and think about the next thing to put on the schedule and so when you have that next thing to kind of look forward to it sort of pushes the past to the past but yeah I think you know celebrate your result or learn the few lessons and then process those and then move on but I like a break afterwards just to kind of regroup and and then get excited about running again like I like to miss running a little bit and then it gets you excited for the next thing I definitely was a like post race blues person because I would get so into it in the training and then I would it doesn't matter if the race went good or bad I was like I miss that I missed the rhythm of it you know but I would always take a break and really try to lean into that time again like just reframing it as this is time for me to be someone outside of running so I would always go visit my grandparents and take advantage of that opportunity and then just by like nurturing other parts of myself it would help me move forward and then pick a new goal and start again hello any predictions for the Grant Fisher, Cole Hawker, Josh Kershowdown, 2 Mile at Milrose I don't want to get in trouble I think we have to see the whole field you have to see the whole field because it could get spicier nah it's going to be one of those three Monti seemed pretty convinced that it was there was more coming I don't know if that was the cur or maybe there's an Norwegian who knows I didn't think anything could top that Paris 1500 and then I saw Milrose 2025 men's 3000 and it was amazing and so if they're coming in battle ready like they were last year I mean I think that Grant Fisher and Cole Hawker will definitely be battle ready Josh Kerr ended the year on an injury so he's a little bit more I'm not sure is he kind of coming back and he's running the 2 Mile because he doesn't have a speed or is he like I just want to crush skulls because I'm so annoyed and so upset with how World Champs went but I have thoughts but I'll keep them for now and I'm super subscribed to the pod I've been trying to get him to let this go but he won't because I said I was going to ask and I need to preface this I grew up in Minnesota and I remember Kara watching you just absolutely smash everybody in the I was in like we weren't in the same division but anyways it was amazing Des I met you at the Disney Marathon in 2011 couldn't have been nicer I actually am on a bike team now with your husband and I it's gonna sound like an anti-elitist question maybe but I actually ran in the 2012 Olympic trials with you guys I was way far behind you like 30 minutes back probably but I was there racing in my little bun huggers but now I'm 47 and I've gotten really comfortable with my half tights and I wanted to know why you're judging me because you said on one of your pods we will be judging you if you're wearing half tights I say that but I'm asking with love what was the context yeah I don't remember it you just said and if you're wearing half tights we'll be judging us I need to find out why one day and here's my chance okay well I'm gonna tell you as a woman who's also 47 I used to love boy shorts and now I do kind of love half tights um I don't remember being so judgy about that I wish I knew what we were being judgy about oh no I know exactly what this is the subway takes you're talking about the subway takes this is about men in half tights and judging men in half tights yeah I'm saying you're good there's an outline you're good why is that where is that I I said men hi so you guys have known each other for a long time right but you guys have really known each other for three years so what is the craziest funniest thing that you've learned about each other in this past three years of the pod I feel like I think this is um we don't spend a ton of time together besides the pod so anything that you're hearing is like us learning about each other that's about the most amount of time we spend with each other so I don't know I mean anything on the pod that you've learned maybe the hot sauce challenge was pretty interesting I didn't know she was lactose intolerant during that that was crazy that was a crazy thing to find out then of all times I I think one thing I there's something I've learned about you okay you are game after your marathons to like whether it goes the way you want it or not to just like go celebrate with your people and I can't hang with you I always have to make a slightly early exit and it's still so late but I really love that about you like you go celebrate the hard work no matter what with your people and you're like you know I remember after the olympic trials we met you at brunch and you were kind of ruminating over the race because you really wanted to be top 10 I think you were 11th um and I was like oh she's gonna ditch us later but you didn't you showed up and you were like full of life and I think that's something that's really cool about you thank you you're welcome game to have a good time uh you know what I I wasn't gaming when I was absolutely cooked it's after New York this year it's like I cannot do one more thing oh that's okay that was that was a lot yeah I have two fun packs one doesn't taste for high fashion did didn't know that about her oh yeah yeah that's a good answer for you that she went to get a Louis Vuitton shirt I didn't even know how to pronounce it I was like what luten it's amazing another fun fact about Kara she doesn't like bacon that's a good one yeah that's a good one guys I hate it I hate it the last time I ate it I was at a party and a girl was like oh you have to try my bacon wrap jalapeno and I really wanted her to like me and as I bit it a tear came down my face uh does I know you're coming out with another book um Kara do you have any plans for another one and does can you announce I'm over here and uh are you able to announce when yours is coming out just yet yeah um gosh it's so hard to write books and I'm working on it it's supposed to come out April 27 so that's the game plan um we'll see I gotta put my head down really focus these next couple months uh I think it's actually do it's crazy because it's due this upcoming April and then you spend another year getting ready to to go out um so we'll see I think I might be a little bit behind but um it's just a lot to process and and I think as I'm writing and I'm like is this necessary like do people want to read this is this really a book or is this just something front for me um so we'll see work with my editor and make sure that it's worth putting out there I don't have another book I am working on another project though that goes along with continuing to tell tell the story of the longest race in a different platform so I know y'all have had your pod for a while but have you guys have any plans at least this year for a race together a race that you'll race like run together like as friends oh that's so cute I know we've talked about fifth at mile I can't keep up with her I I'm gonna be racing a series of five k's this year um it's kind of a big deal I'm planning on like three but fifth at mile come on a mile feels over very fast over quick um I'm too slow for des she humors me when we're together and she slows down to do like a four or five mile run with me but the days of us even running a fun race together are over I don't know if it ever existed because the other times we were like racing each other hi I just wanted to say thank you all for everything that you do I know like the running community loves you guys and we're just very thankful for all that you say and what you stand for and so my question's a kind of fun question but I know y'all are both big swifties what is your favorite Taylor Swift era and why it's like asking someone to pick their favorite marathon it's not really fair um do you have a favorite I'm conflicted I went to the reputation tour which was amazing and so I feel like I'm attached to that one and I all bangers great album but I I really like folklore and what's the other one ever more that like to me is like chef's kiss I really loved life of a show girl so much but I also really like to cry and so I think probably folklore and evermore my favorite because I can just like listen and cry in my car and get out like my wife's stressed does anybody else do that like I'll just play the saddest songs there's something that remind me my grandparents and I'll just sob going to get cold from school and then I wipe it all up and I'm like how is school um so yeah but I just kind of love them all it's a great answer all right well here in Texas we definitely have NIL money for football but this past year we saw NIL money impacting cross country Oklahoma State New Mexico do we need to worry about our middle and long distance runners suddenly not going to college and running or if you're taking NIL money what would it take to buy you on the team this is an evolving topic um it's something I'm paying close attention to as a parent of a young runner I think it is going to change the NCAA running system for sure I'm worried about what programs look like in the future I'm worried specifically about men's opportunities in the future um I don't think we're ever going to see the money that football sees at least across the board right like we're going to have a few stars here and there that people gobble up but I don't think it's going to be the way football is but I think there's enough money that it's could be potentially life changing for someone or make them decide not to go so I I worry about all of this stuff I think that there's ways to do it I just without there aren't a lot of guardrails right now and I'm just not sure what it's going to do to our sport long term there's something about developing as an athlete through your late teens while you're still maturing and growing I mean a lot of people are still physically maturing and going pro that early always makes me a little bit nervous for anybody but I also understand if you have a bunch of money handed to you who might say no turn down the hundreds of thousands of dollars and mature in the NCAA so I don't know yeah I mean I think that we've talked about it a fair amount on the pot I think it's just the wild west right now and um it's going to be worth keeping an eye on and seeing where it goes but yeah I think it's brands and people figuring things out right now and it's it's needs to be governed a little bit better and I think that worry is the right word and I wonder who's kind of in charge of the situation like you know who's making sure this is okay for the athletes okay for the kids and taking care of them it seems like yeah I don't know there's a lot of concerns that I'll just leave it at that thank you all so much for being here with us in Houston my hometown I'm excited to be back in Houston as well visiting from DC with some of my run club friends and I'm hoping to PR tomorrow I know you said you know at the start weather is looking really good it's a great course to PR what would your strategy be that regular folks like us can apply and what motto do you do you have a motto that kind of keeps you going forward especially in those that last stretch just you know digging deep what do you tell yourself what race are you doing do the half of the full the full have you done a marathon before first time anybody any first timers in here this will be lucky number seven for me oh pro any first timers no this is an experienced crowd look at that that's the folks around you they know um no I think you know I just trust your training stick to your plan I think the basics it's always those are the things that we forget when it's a really nice flyer of a day you get excited and you go oh I don't need like I can go out a little bit harder I can bank a little bit at time and so it's sticking to the basics um don't go out too hard make sure your fueling plan is on and you know the last 10k eight miles put your foot to the floor and don't be afraid to take a risk there that's when you have to to fight for every second and that's where prs happens so be really aggressive late and that only happens if you're patient early so it's the cliche at this point but run the first 20 with your head in the last 10k with your heart and um for me my my mantra is pretty silly and straightforward it's very practical I've said it a bunch but I tell myself calm calm calm relax relax relax because I think in those late miles when we're fighting for every second it feels like we're really trying to force it at times and fast running isn't forced you relax and let the run come out of you so it's just making sure I'm moving fluid and and staying calm and relaxed and I think that that if you're focusing on that and you're doing a mental head to toe check you're not thinking about what's left you're not thinking about how hard it is you're not thinking about anything else but being in that moment in that mile in that second and just running you know relaxing comfortable and that's that's where fast running happens so nothing super inspirational but I think it's pretty practical I would say too you said that you're ready to PR so you've done the work to be ready to PR like you've already done the work and so remind yourself of that Saturday night remind yourself like I did this work to have this opportunity you wouldn't even say the words I think I can PR if you hadn't done the work to do that and then I just think when those moments get hard there's a million things telling you oh it's falling apart or this or that so I would always just really try to focus on what's going right right now you know like my stride is still good my breathing is still good I'm still hitting my paces so there's gonna be a million things telling you you can't and just focus on those couple things that are telling you you can and just focusing on that can get you through those patches and then you're home free you have a new PR and we're all gonna celebrate yay all right all right we had to pull this one out from 2012 but two things before we go want any comments on the the hat photo I mean every time this photo comes up I'm like yeah cool I made an Olympic team but also I was outed as having a giant head so it's kind of a mixed bag for me I mean if you made an Olympic team you're allowed to get a big head it's fine it really just won't fit it's not that she's resting on top no it's just that's as far as it would go it didn't matter how I tilted it it that's that's all I got meanwhile dad is almost swallowed but okay we've got to do it on our ears thank you all for coming so so much this means a lot to us and it's so fun to kick off our year with you all thank you