#Throwback Episode - w/ Mysonne & Chi Ali | (Ep.78)

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The Jagger, make them think as they go on tour right now. Why is hip hop not celebrated in the same exact way? The older you get and then, you know, the crazy shit is the older you get, they accept you more in Europe. Right. Like in Europe, more appreciation for the birthplace of hip hop. So right now I am so privileged, so happy to big up two brothers that I want to put in the hip hop hall of fame me personally. Because I feel like hip hop needs a whole thing. Fuck this rock and roll whole thing bullshit. We ain't rock and roll. We got to relax. Even though it is actually like it is like a big up to be in a rock and roll whole thing. We can do our thing. But we said, Russell, holla at me, Russell, because I feel like we should do a hip hop hall of fame. And if the hip hop hall of fame, what's to happen? These two brothers, this is right here from the Bronx, because I'm a half a Bronx guy. I know that door. I don't know that. We're going to establish that today. These two brothers, Chi-Ai Lee, first off, the first child star in hip hop, period, period. I seen this man come up. I thought he was Puerto Rican in my mind. You got good hair. I don't know why. I don't know why. You got good hair in my neck. I don't know. I don't know. You definitely make some way. I'm going to get to that. And then this other brother that stand right by side me to the right of me, I see his hunger. I see his struggle. I see him battle artists on the street. Then I see him have an unfortunate situation. He never complained about it. And that's one of the most beautiful things is that you could have complained about it. And you could have been like, fuck, that rabbit. Fuck, you could have been bitter, but you did. And you know what Chi-Ai Lee and my song is nothing else I would love to do. It's to big your brothers up right now. NRE, Drain Chaps, DJ EFF, Muffin, Mike, Mike. Now, Mike, I got to go straight to you because I don't want to say controversy, but I want to say that it was been a recent interview, right? A brother says something and you were buttoed that statement. But the most beautiful thing about what you did was you never hated. You just was honest and you spoke your opinion. And real niggas worldwide text each other and say, you see my suit. I don't know if you got the text. I got the text. You got to go and get a couple. And I got the text. So what I want to ask you is, what made you take that stand? Because you don't have to do that. It just, you know, like you said, man, real niggas worldwide. I think like people keep saying real niggas is back and like we's having a conversation. Like we never really went nowhere. We never. You know, but the problem is, is that most of us are silent. We just don't even see the need to check you that we know it's fake because we don't realize that the rest of the world don't know it's fake. You're right. Because they've been fed fake shit so long that they've that. They don't see where it's real. So me watching this and then actually you read comments and people like, yo, this is the realest shit. Yo, you are. And I'm reading this. I'm like, how could this like, what is real about this to you? Like somewhere, somewhere along the way, there's been some type of the translation got fucked up for what? Real translation. The real translation is fucked up. So I felt like being pulled up. I got pumped up to stop me. But what's that a real champagne nigga? Shit right there. Not a spell. Not a spell. I think it's. So I even said, so. And they didn't look at the grip. Look at the grip. Now, you know, I've been a Paris. No, it's. Yeah, but I can't continue. I'm so sorry. No, that was a big myself for a second. Because I thought it was going to do that. No, we need. But I can take a little bit of my. Yes, it's called facing. You see. You gotta learn this. I mean, it's. And. Can't read. It's not. They take it back. We take it. I'm on. This is the. Yeah. You. Is. You. Continue. My. Because you know what the most important part about it was mice was. I looked in your eyes. I looked in your face. I looked at every time you spoke and it was not hate. This was not hate. But that's that's the new word for you just expressing some shit when you not when you go against the status. Disagree. Yeah, when you disagree. They say you. But it's just the dumbest in the world. I asked people like they like you hate you hate and I'm like, okay, so what are you doing when you comment on what I'm saying? You have an opinion about what I say and you have the right to express that. I don't think you hate and you've got your opinion. You don't even know me. Never seen me a day in life. But something I said made you feel like you needed to respond. So why do you feel some way about me feeling the same way you felt? That's because of the platform that you're doing. That's what they're. The platform that I'm doing makes me more valid. Right. Because I have actually noted people on 12 a month. I actually have interacted. I actually know what I'm dealing with. You just coming on here, never seen me, never met me, don't know nothing about me. And you have opinion about me. You understand what I'm saying? So that's just it. It's just it's a it's a smoke screen. You understand what I'm saying? People don't want to be checked on shit. So you know, it becomes you hate. Hate is when you don't have a you don't even have a reason for something. But they were like, yo, you like this, but not. Why not? I don't know. I just don't like it. Now that's now I can see why because you can't even give me a reason why you don't know something. When I can tell you, no, no, I don't like it because it don't sound good. It don't look good. I don't like the color. It don't fit me right. I'm giving you a reason now whether you agree with my reason. That's up to you. That's up to you. But it ain't no hate. It's actually just me giving you a pain. And that's who we get we get tainted on. I think a lot of real quote unquote real niggas don't want to deal with that. You know what I'm saying? They just say they self, you know what? I know real if y'all want to believe that shit cool, but they don't understand. It's like being in jail in the fake near coming to house. He I screw niggas and you like I'm just gonna stay in my queue. He got about 25 minutes. But if the real niggas didn't start checking them, the first of the fake niggas start coming and next to you, the loud guy is your cue. Because these niggas took over the day room or type of shit because now you don't allow them to do that. So it's like the same in jail. Nigga walk in. Look, this is how we run this house here. You can't do that. You do that. You got to get out of here. And that's how we got to do a hip hop again. I agree. We got to start checking niggas because now we father's before we was young and we just run now we father's and our kids start questioning us. We like, dad, you not like such a such a such a really like what? That ain't even no, no, no, no, I'm not gonna let y'all do that. Right. None of my because y'all having when you have that platform, you have a control over what goes on in the whole culture. You're absolutely right. So I can't allow your cancers to affect the culture not on my watch. You know what? Hip hop appreciate you. Little niggas appreciate you. And just in life, everybody should appreciate your stance that you took because mind you, I'm part of a new generation too. Like I go to the clubs. I like I like me goes. I like me goes. So I'm bad at bougie. I fucks a bad at bougie. But now so now Chi-A-Li Chi-A-Li you're one of the very fortunate people that actually been around for the real era of hip hop. Like you actually was there. So for you to see how the era of hip hop went from then to now, like I don't even know my question. I mean, the way the coaches change, it doesn't upset me. I don't think as much as it upsets a lot of the, a lot of my peers. Young. Okay. Our generation. Okay. The older the older generation is and for me, a lot of it is because I think cause I got kids. So it's just like I'm entwined with the new sound. But a lot of it is when we was young and I was listening to run in the fat boys like my pops will buy it for me. But you know, sometimes it was cut that shit down. And sometimes I know he didn't think 30, 40 years later, this is what it was going to be. Right. Cause they all say they all say they pop it up fat. Yeah, it's a fact. Oh, that's not music. They sampling. We sound like them now. Damn. You know what I'm saying? We sound like them. This shit ain't hip hop. It's just a new sound. That's why they listen to me. Kids, they kids. They the kids. Think about it. Like Mike said, my son 18, my daughter 18. God bless him. Like you know what I'm saying? Me? Like I don't even know what I'm saying. So every summer they do we gonna see and be like I don't know. We gonna be like these fucking kids. But that was kind of like how it was back then. Because I mean, like when people say that the era was golden or it was classic. A lot of people, a lot of times people don't actually focus on the fact that it was rock music then. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't dope. Everybody was getting paid. But the thing I don't like and what you addressed to when we first started speaking was that the new generation, a lot of them, not that they don't pay homage, but it's like they don't even know. Like how you not, this is your feel. Like if I'm a baseball player, I'm a no something about Jackie Robinson. Don Mattingly. Dave Winfield. You know what I'm saying? Yep. Whatever you feel. Ricky Henderson. Yeah. Come on. That's our generation's fault. We dropped the ball. That's what you're saying. We dropped the ball. It is. You didn't say, you didn't tell them this is the way you gotta go about it. You're right. And it's crazy because like you said, the Rolling Stones, they can still do shows. But our forefathers, they washed up. You know what I mean? And that's swag. That's why I'm being nice to the show when he did the joint at BB Kings. And Cool Herp was there. Like I brought Cool Herp and then Cool Herp came on. I was like, yo, I brought them out. Because that's Cool Herp. That's fucking Cool Herp. That's Cool Herp. You know what I'm saying? We wouldn't be here if it wasn't Cool Herp. I don't understand Hell of us. Cool Herp ain't got a million dollars or at least $500,000 in his bank account. Like I wish I had it to be like here. You know what I'm saying? But some of our leaders in hip hop got it, man. We got to make sure some of our brothers is all right. I got them. And we talked about that creating a union or something like that. You know the craziest thing is, and I'm so sorry. And I'm so fucked up homie and I'm not a brother, man. And I'm so sorry to bring this up. But since me and my partner DJ EFN started this podcast, we wanted to start something called a hip hop union, which means if my son had that same case back then and we look at my son and say, my son, he ain't doing it. There's somebody in place to pay for your lawyer, pay for your case, pay for everything, right? So I did all of it. I'm going to, at least not here. Okay. Can you put that over there? It was Gazelle Frambs. Right? So the other day, right? My wife, I love this woman. We went to Malibu. The first time I ever rented a house myself, every time I ever rented a house, it was always been Drap Jam, Tommy Boy. It never was me. So when I went at this house, I walked outside the house because we had ordered the car service and I said, it would be 20 minutes. So I came downstairs because I had like four bloods. I was like, I got to smoke these, right? So I smoked them and the driver came up in two minutes. And when he came up, I said, yo, I looked at the shit. It's supposed to be 20 minutes. He said to me, oh no, I just dropped off, picked up or saw somebody in the rehab in Malibu, right? So when he said that, you know, naturally I'm smoking, so I wanted to walk away from him because I didn't want to be disrespectful and be getting high. I don't know if he's a recovering, whatever. But he said, he said, so to bring back my point that I'm trying to tell you was the other day, DMX, my brother, I love that nigga. He's always been there for me. He never lied to me. When people seen him on the barclay stage and people seen his rants, people judged him without wanting it to help. I immediately wanted to help. So I said, I wanted to, but if I do it or I step in, he's going to spit at me. I know this thing. Yo, what in the fuck, who the fuck do you think you are? That's what you're going to do. If we had a hip hop union in place where we'd sit back and we say, okay, the dog won't look great, release the bread. Absolutely. And the reason why I bring it up is, and I don't want to blow it up, but he's actually in Malibu right now. That's where he's at. The problem was, I didn't have a position to step up. I didn't have a position to step up and say whatever, because if it was just me, I'm going to be honest with you. They would have all said, fuck you, Nori. No, no, no, no, they would have loved the actual fact that I stepped up, but then they would have said, who the fuck does he think he is? Do y'all agree that we need a hip hop union? I definitely think so. Especially with brothers like Kuhur, the real forefathers, the real forefathers more so because the money wasn't there. It was not. So it wasn't like they had it in blue and ran through it. They just get in jerk. It wasn't there, and then what was there, they was booking them. You know what I mean? So you got to tell people what booking means. They was robbing them. Because there's a New York slang. I didn't get my partner to hear me. He said, huh? He said, huh? He said, he's booking them. He said, he's booking them. He's like, oh, word? There's one. There's one. All right, they're old slacks. Like, nobody else in New York see I'm sorry. So it's like, yo, a lot of them never had the bread with, you know, excellent rent through some bread. But even with people like X, like, yo, when I was locked up homie. I see so many brothers look at the crack heads and nobody would smoke crack in jail. Everybody was getting money. You know, everybody just smoked weed. But it's like, I used to tell me, yo, half this yard is running around with cuts on your faces from weed beefs. You know what I'm saying? If you fucking smoke weed, drink liquor, drink coffee, any mood changing, you ain't got the right to judge nobody. His shit just might be a little more crucial. Some shit is a little more serious. I don't want to hear you talk about my weed unless you don't do nothing. Leave me alone, man. And just we got, like you said, we got to help the brothers. You know what the thing is? The thing is hip hop has to start accepting our responsibility. We got to grow up. We got to grow up. It's too much money being made in hip hop to you still just be having no responsibility. We supposed to, hip hop alone could finance all our communities. Like the whole black movement, it could finance. That's deep. Like really, if all the hip hop niggas sat down and said, look, okay, you from the left, we buying back left, right? We gonna own all of it. We gonna put all this into you. Then we gonna buy back. But like we can literally do that shit. We nobody's, here's the crazy shit. We need to take one percent of our profits. We don't. We don't. Niggas take their jewelry, homies. Niggas take their jewelry. Because, because, because. Like, I'm sorry, Ali. Let me get some Sriracha. Yeah, because you know why that's the best buck in the world. For fuck. That's what I'm talking about. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. For fuck. But you West Indian we always claim to be the part of Indian clubs So We're gonna bring it back to hip-hop. He won this was Tracy. This is what I Jimmy told me that no Jimmy Jimmy's boss cafe. Let's make some noise Salsa They beat you up and then they pick you up And then they make sure you good That's the only place I ever seen that now the Bronx being a birthplace of hip-hop The fact that the we got a boogie child table you got What's this man don't you don't you I'm gonna say a dawn you that's a normal Don't you but don't you other than that? Has it ever bothered you that the Bronx wasn't at the forefront of hip-hop I mean, of course, it not really bothered me But it was like that was one of my goals like we got to put the Bronx back on That you don't say like that I put the Bronx back on the map So when you watch and you see a boogie and I'm doing anything you see don't you and I'm actually being from my hood You know young boys from the Okay, so actually So watching young boys you don't say you got nothing to do with root form So it's happy. It's good to see that. It's good to see the resurgence of just Content and lyrics, you know, you see Davies like you hear artists the axis You hear people rapping again, it's good to do that like like I like me goes I like all Fucking you feel so hell yeah, that should make you you be like this, huh? You know, you being a club you But it's sound Chris it's sound Chris the quality is good. It's good music You can't take nothing away from every now and then I want to hear some shit that make me like damn You're a little damn make you want to tie it shoot. I'm not saying don't play them I'm saying instead of playing them 20 times a day play them like You know stress them love Like I stay in Maryland, but you know, I'm closer to DC So, you know, I run around the DC no clothes in and homie like I don't even know a boogie in them I'm only right, but I know that stay they from my homie. Huh? They be his son. They be with his little brothers, right when they should come on I go crazy with all New York. They should come on period. Especially niggas. I fuck with It's different all the way up came out I used to go to every fucking club and I'm it was like Abel you know, I feel like that's how we gotta do it in you know, I sweet like it's so genuine when I'm repost niggas I don't even know whatever Only follow people I know or my I might follow your man cuz we all here So if I see something I like it and I'm reposting it you ain't got the eggs. I don't give a fuck like It's just I don't know why we we just don't don't show love But you know me like I get a crazy good energy when my niggas shit come on down there Yo, and that's why we started this is because we want to give our legends flowers when they can smell them and trees when they can Inhella because so many people are fucking Lost so many people say you washed up when you got 10 years in this game So many people say that you're not the guy because the other guy is the guy That's some people say that we have to change that money sometimes. Yeah, we have to change that because one day I was in live nation. All right And live nation I looked at they rise them They had nothing boy boy is doing 60 dates Oh, and they was all older than me And I looked and I said Tim Why can't hip hop do that? And then I you know, you know our core core for master flex and you know for message And I don't know how anybody feel about for master flex personally But I'm gonna tell you how much I feel about for master flex for master flex that fuck that Nari And I was like what fuck what? Like we gotta make so our artists can release 14 dates on their own New York artists, right? And at first I said flex word and then he said and then I turned on the radio because mind you I'm living in Miami. I'm doing dream chance running around and then I heard that's how we on it That's how we on it and I said Disney could deserves this shit There's a lot of people who don't there's a lot of people who get Fane they get money they get it and they just go when they go out Everybody I couldn't be more happy in the world when I heard from master flex playing your record Not playing your record staying on your yeah, it's a difference You can play it one day We're not living in the 90s in the 90s. He play your record one time you go You go on now. He got play a shit every night. That's right. And he been playing shit every single Fuck master flex we appreciate you Respecting a grind like yo, he called me came home at 06 and they grindin like I'm not just talking grinding I'm talking about hundreds of thousands. Maybe some short m spent like grinding this nigga grinding homie I'm everything out of pocket. Yeah, you deserve it. Why don't and you still not even on the label No, cuz I'm we still ain't where we don't need it. I just really I want to do my shit independent But the platform is being laid, you know I'm saying the consistency shout out to flex slay even when you call me I was I don't even know I think I was in Miami and so and I was in Miami I think I was in LA a son. He called me like seven in the morning. Yes I need you to put everything you got on this, you know saying it was just real it's genuine It's like damn and that's how we always been is this real shit And it's like when you get that feel and you see people ruin for you and you know that you did everything, right? I never compromise my principles my moral came back You know I'm saying it's coming back And it's just like then be able to see that and then be able to be appreciated especially by the people that you appreciate like this Is a legend to me. All right, you know, I said from day one. I remember when he came in front of Justin When you play band from TV And I'm standing in there like this This is classic He just blasted we say right for it doesn't he blast that shit? I would just say all just looking at him like Damn, man, and then see what that shit He said you're too late To be in the presence and be respected by the people that you love and respect and then like what and I tell people all the time The artist that I love is because when you listen to the music you feel like you know them Right. Yes, and when you listen to Nori music, you really know him. Nah, it's true You know I'm saying like it ain't no bullshit in yo, this is just some song on me This is Nori money like so when you meet him and you like this is the exact and that's what you used to be for me They don't say some people can separate the music from the artist. I don't I'm not able to do that Cuz once you talk with you talking It's not all the tips so this is this is a legend This is one of my favorite artists all the time. I'm a nigga said I don't even smoke like that. I sell Yeah, I don't drink like that. I sell I Just chill like my nigga those songs I was up north listen to them chis and got me through my big like you know Something and didn't know and you met me and they met me Brocks When you able to get love and respect when you respect that's what you do for the rest of this shit don't even matter But that's how we know that you when you never need security I mean when you live well, you know me and just keep it to me and you know what the crazy thing is is Charlie I won't bring it back. I'll come back to this. We only but Charlie You are not only the one of the first child rappers You're actually the first gangsta Sorry But I mean identify as New York artists because at one point we came from living our Lyrics and you was one of them guys that actually lived your lyrics I Interview when you actually explain how it happened, but the thing about it is What people don't understand is you really went through it They look at this interview and they thinking like you're saying it because you just went but this is this song real shit It was real shit, but no your Girls Daughter's uncle God bless you know for sure God bless for some peace Okay, but you're like yo, you know what killed me on me Is that they eat and I'm not trying to downplay because that's a good man's life. I take forward God bless. I can't you know turn back the hands of time and that's to me That's the worst thing you could do because even if you rape somebody as much as we shun that I still have my daughter Right if she's going she's going you know saying so I took somebody's life I used to watch his son. You know I'm saying so You know that apartment you off But that was the most interesting part about it was when you was to when Vlad was talking to you and we all love Vlad I love Vlad too, but he's kind of like the police right what I mean I'm trying to get the answer like he's really trying to get the answers like he's gonna ask you some shit that can get you Acrimonated but Up to you and that was one of the most honorable things I mean watching it Was it was like you was not proud of it? You just was like y'all there's something that happened, but you know what? Let me just say before you finish That's what I'm talking about. That's the difference from a real name. You said I'm saying we Just one of my best friends since we was kids Wow You know same thing so we we've been to just about everything like I know everything about what's going on that time I know everything was dealing with and To be when we always been authentic so watch my man and knowing everything around me like having Exon pistol-picking these niggas around and knowing that these was the biggest games as we ever knew in our life That's right, and when they have conversations with you, they not glorifying I'm gonna continue big and you up because a lot of people Would it took your position as a rapper that actually has a body and would have got on Vlad and said Which plenty people are doing it was the exact like I don't want to name the artist name But he's on line told him oh he beat the case because he shot the nigga like and he's online But you it was the exact opposite and I looked at you and mind you I had a relationship with you for ever We use on a run you was coming to my shows I just want to respect you I just want to say that that that interview and I looked at it and I looked at the grown man in you And I looked at how you you you held yourself down and I looked at how you also Because that was your girl's brother and I looked at how you were so careful and so conscious And I just want to tell you that is some real shit We understand we can't bring back this man's life, but everything you do on right now It's actually the illest shit in the world because you're not We lose we just growing up when we grow up at we lose sight of life Like you hear about niggas getting shot and killed and see it and might do it or whatever So but when you think about it like oh even at that nigga He got kids mother and at the end of the day is what 15 years later 20 years later for me now Yeah, and it's like What think about the biggest beef you had 20 years I was that worth it that you was ready to tear shit up for and now you look at it like that was some silly shit Don't you know that really is it a case that's really worth it when you come talking about a whole bunch of years and at the end of the day It was regular shit like that like not It was regular shit. I look at it like I know like I know Mike's ain't pussy, but we hung with niggas So I'm like it was regular everyday shit not to be going far like this what happens that shit that go on man But now I need you to describe the situation because my partner not if an um capone he's standing over there Right me and him was in jail together. Hey, we was in D. F. Y. Right then we came home and He caught a case So I can never really relate to his case because he actually was famous When we was in jail together, I was not famous Then he he he caught a case and then he went up north right But I can never relate Because he was capone now right he was probably like he was not he was not capone when we met each other So I just want you to describe to people how hard or maybe it might Was a double-edged sword because you famous It's like People that digrod oh shit, that's Chioli was inmates whether it's CO's right and then you got gonna have some seal Same shit People trying to give you extra food some people trying not to feed Everybody different right I just took it in stride But what I found especially when I was at sing sing cuz when I got the sing sing is large population of black police So and then most of them is from the city. So it just so happens. I'm in my mid 30s So a lot of them is around the same age they So you know they knew who a motherfucker was so it was ill that even the motherfuckers that hated like the dickhead niggas A nigga was so laid back with it So I just be me man everybody be them and Everything are having a way it's supposed to happen. I've never been pussy Yeah, don't know But we not Bring the same question because again My partner one of my best friends and in both of these guys are my best they both scumbacks But again, I can't relate to being famous and being there like I was famous in jail for three days That's it, and I was ready to do this But you actually have some fame right and then what was it is a robbery? Yeah, all right, so You just just take us from there. You had a robbery charge and We heard you you say that you didn't do it definitely. I definitely believe you always I really believe you like I mean Seventy years so Yeah, I shouldn't did it, you know, it was it was have you ever been a jail prior to that Oh, no, you know, I did couple days couple days. All right, so now you cop out You blew We didn't know that okay, so you blue trial and now you go upstate now now is this People know this is my son Of course, okay, just grab that. I mean it's for me. It was just unreal. You know something you you young you 21 years old you sitting jail Man I know I know your budget I Sorry, but so yeah So, you know you you you going up north and you sin first one island for a couple months They think you're home and you figured and you know as soon as you But I blew trial and then went to the island like I didn't I wasn't in jail fighting my case My case I was you know, I was playing from the outside you just thinking this shit ain't gonna happen like I ain't do it I ain't gonna jail. You know what I'm saying? Then you saw realize how dirty the system is You know saying how a bunch of shit just don't unless you got to be really serious about what you doing You know, so you can't take for granted that you in and so you go That's that's not a reality especially from our communities. You know saying it's just completely different So when you sit in there and you like down just blue trial and you don't even know when I was on I even know But if you was a blue um, what you did God bless but Because they always tell you they say you would you would take this plea or you can they offer me the job Yeah, well in hindsight you sit there and do like but you gotta realize you didn't Like Do it man, that's even more so now I'm gonna be honest I knew you and I knew you didn't do it like I Know you did a lot of other shit because I can see it in your eyes But I was like yo All right now I'm gonna scribe me meeting my son, right? Just this is my shit It was my shit like I ain't gonna lie I hate it puff daddy You keep this and we're not No, I hate it puff daddy like I hate it when he represented at the time because me and Capone was army Niggas and these guys little shiny suits so I just hate what he represented at the time But I love this project Great fried chicken so I just go to justice all the time right so it was this rumor This new artist is supposed to be the new biggie Smalls, right? Am I correct you just I mean you don't do a second right? It was Practice it A lot I watch you in the breakfast closet might seem practiced There was this new artist his name is shine So shine was supposed to be the new biggie Smalls But nobody know how he looked yeah, it was just on the mixtape No, I know he looked so we We heard like I think he did like a couple bars. Yeah, but but so we felt like he was happy But when we seen him I was like Yeah, not no disrespect, but I see them like big he didn't look like big so it was just it was a thrown off So we outside and Puff goes the puff I I'm about to say text, but I know it wasn't a text but he said you'll go outside and see how To my new artist so I got a size it was sub to on the niggas like you You know just shines a smooth niggas. He's like you I Like you shit I'm looking at the niggas here Are You shine He goes yes, I'm shot. I'm like I'm doing not not I'm disappointed It just I thought you would be a heavy person. Yeah, I thought he was gonna be fat So I'm like hi cool. Oh, I don't know what happens, right? I'll text Chris a lady Chris like what's Chris there? My lady was there so I text Mike Mike comes Mike is like yo, what's up? You need me to pay for the bill cuz that's the end of my style back then But let me describe this thing So for some reason shine starts arriving Kickin shit So I robbed Tom your man Tom Tom came Tom pulled up And was like I don't in my mind. I felt like he pushed you like Tom was outside right and I think he was either Matt Middleton They came in like you know the outside John and Nori outside Tom didn't really want me to do it I'm like I'm like man. They bought you crazy. This is the million dollar nigga. Yeah, I'm gonna kill him So he brought me out this so Tom just sitting in wait wait wait wait wait That's the part I didn't know I didn't know come on come on And you gotta relax you gotta relax You gotta relax. So this is the part that I didn't know the part that I didn't know was When you walked outside, did you have that in your mind already good this moment here? No My son that's all these oh So that's why I didn't know is that cuz mind you I think I met you like two minutes or 12 minutes Yeah, and we chilled but then you came and then That part I needed that part million dollars In the industry it was running He got a million in Publishing and a million on the deal. We had never heard Yeah Everybody was expecting him this to be oh you were supposed to be the craziest shit in the world. So mice comes outside And he's chilling and he's watching us round and I'm round and for some reason I feel like I've never got this part of the story Correct. I felt like you looked at me and say what lies Like in my mind your eyes You already And then I swear to God cuz I had never heard you run And I ain't gonna lie I might be wrong but I feel like you said Something in my palm and then I got my left arm and you say that's the old type of I ain't gonna lie. I can't tell you what I said. I ain't gonna lie. I was like, oh my god and shine He was spectrally bowed out Am I correct? He was about two rounds. It's just like Two and a half My mind is like it's over and then I got Texas People was like on the streets and Try and have hit me after that and said Both told me I can rhyme on the street no more We Listen, that's my man We even couldn't together that's my But but right after that we have fell out cuz prior to that Because I felt like I felt like you kind of fucked up his deal a little bit It was a lot because he came to me and he told me the same thing That's what he don't want me to run and that's when him and post-doc going sour after that situation You know saying he came to reason the studio together, you know because him and not Nigel school So now I just always have me around and I think like right after that we were going to fight It was like a big thing No one is little man is little man. We got into a puff house At the arm and Hamptons Yeah, I had a party and we came off there And it was probably like a couple of weeks after that So I see she I like him a pound and one is me like fuck that nigga. He giving you fake love He said all out He was about five to What Like fuck that you run around you know tomorrow niggas running around saying you kill my man fuck that whatever No, it was me who's running around I The biggest Time he had the biggest bars So for me to just meet this nigga and this nigga tear him up. I told everybody It was It was me I'm a reiterate this whole situation right? I'm a hood nigga I know I know certain people don't know like you know how Queens get down Some people look at you and just be like It's false they gotta relax right but I looked at mice mice gave me I don't remember I don't remember cuz me I gave my man this my word I gave my man About 14 blood niggas My man's on the other side these my niggas though my nigga pooch bro can make a pooch He gets into one of the niggas step doing the brokers. Cardi is on the visit. He's hit some niggas cardi is on the island. Yeah Let's bring him But anyway Whatever happened pooch popped on the bed so the nigga all the bloods on my side so they like they gonna pop on the nigga So I'm like damn. They like yo cheat man. I'm like, you know, I'm trying to you gave not I'm trying to Resolve the situation, but I already see the thing the boy them swung on the nigga race And went to fall so I went to that game I gave Your mice gave me the it was like it was like Because it was like whatever he did was like nigga you on Why you want to run with us? And I said I said dad we had a whole conversation just right here I Love that I said that and your boy. I did not know what you're gonna do though and all do respect I Thought you was okay But then you round and I realized You might have stopped the whole block. I didn't even the police start clapping I think the police is on the corner like that Clues there it was it was my it was it was so legend that was a legendary hip-hop moment Do you realize how I mean when I hear what you say like in my mind it was because you know You know, you don't want to over over push yourself because I'm like, damn this she was big right? I seen it from my perspective. I'm like, yeah, like this was the industry was dead No, one of my favorite artists. Yeah, everybody's there and I just did some shit That's probably gonna go down or I'm thinking it's that big Exactly so The next day While it was like you made the pre-foom into Atlanta We have like 10 meetings in like three days. This is the reason why I know because because um I invited Mike like And then they cut me out the deal on medium Like what happened You know, I was off already, but I was like damn I told you to come here But listen In all due respect, I never seen somebody be that like battle rap When I think about a rap, I don't think of smack dvd. I think of what you did that night that night You looked at that man in his face. We didn't disrespect him But you disrespected him in another way Because you looked at his flaws and you just made it and you just kept hitting him with punch lines And then he kept rhyming He kept rhyming not against you. Yeah, which was wrong Like you took your personal. Oh, yeah, you directed every bar toys And then this nigga kept kicking rhymes that had nothing to do with my That mice he took advantage. I mean, he was a man. You got to keep swinging as a man I respect that, you know what I mean, but I think Sean was an artist. He was an artist artist artist Who's at that movie gimmick around him, you know what I'm saying? Not not to give me but you know the whole biggie He said he was setting up the He was setting up the bad boy. He sounded like biggie. Yeah, but he was he official nigga. I love fucks with shawna That's my nigga, but what I'm saying is I fucks with him too. I ain't saying nothing bad about him. This is different But it's a different that boy was some mc shit. It's like but that day You know what I'm saying? I like yo, I don't want to rap after my song or nothing It's like in the finals like step I put the room out. I put the room out. You know the hype in the fight when the bro was just throwing this shit like nigga nigga, you know, it's real It's real and you know what it is This is the thing we should celebrate these moments in hip-hop We should actually sit back and be like, you know what and shine too shine is Should I call you shine hit me it was like man you killed me on that shit. Oh, you definitely Oh, no, this is Yeah, no, we he called me years late like we never had that real conversation because we had to I used to I love like I actually had love for Sean because he was one of us And I used to be in the studio like even after that shit I used to be in the studio with Sean helping him like with records like he let me hear shit Like now I do this do that like this was my nigga But the room was the room was so big because I ain't gonna lie that rumor was huge. It was it was like Do you think it's right around? No, no, no, no, relax. Relax. Yeah Relax Help it and right That was my nigga he's just being like he respected me as an artist Say what I did with him and like he'd be in the studio and we go to the studio and he let me hear shit I'm like, oh Yeah, that's dope boy. This is that like before he dropped the who want to fuck with us Actually, like I heard that You know saying I was and I and I got locked up when he first started playing I never was there to actually see shine even dropping the music like I was in the studio When he started when he first started and and him and puff was actually going through shit like there was the niggas I know shit It was like I was in the intricate like when puff and mace was beefing puff and shine would be when I was I ain't On um double up like I ain't on that project and then the mace project the mace project I went out I went out to the Bahamas with mace He flew me out there and I was in the studio him every day recording this album He didn't even let puff come in the room. No one's gonna tell you this But then afterwards puff came and listened to it and was like He threw his little spin on it and tried to he pushed me out of it because I was like young Then coming up in the game. He's like, you know, I'm saying I hear you got your man's with you But you know, this is my project. Did he tell you use your man's enough? Yeah, he said you brought your man's enough You know what I'm saying? We was the man's like yo, yo, yo man's in the You know what I'm saying? But we me and puff had our shit like you know what I'm saying? Like we was we added in either This is real shit like me and puff grown like Because there was a I was me and he was him And I wasn't relinquishing who I was I don't even fuck how much money you got. I don't care about bad boy shit I'm me. You know what I'm saying? I'm here with my man. I'm with him. So if he ain't with you, then I'm not with you And that's how my stance was with anything All right, so when he brought me in the studio with him and I'm listening to this and then puff will come and listen He was like, I don't really like that. I'm like that shit is dope man I don't know what he's talking about. He was like, you know, you know, you know, I'm saying I know you got your man's and I'm with you. Uh, but I don't I just need me and you to talk and I'm but I'm here That's exactly what he brought me here though. Yes for a reason. He was like, yeah, and he'd be talking to me like your mates. Listen You know what I'm saying? I don't want to go through all this So, you know, we we had that I can picture this shit I mean, this shit Then I remember one time we was in Bahamas and I never forget it and it was just like, you know, puff is competitive So they can say whatever they want that nigga puff is competitive. So, you know, he he knew I was a street nigga He knew that I had my respect in the street. He just fucked with tolling them. I remember I told him he fucked with them, huh? So, but I was there with me that wasn't even there It wasn't had to do with tolling none of them and I was there with me and you know what I'm saying I was there wolf was like God bless you that wolf god bless Bring me in this room every night. Well, that's that was the last time I really seen wolf was in the Bahamas He used to bring me in this room every night like yo talking to me and kicking on me because we both brown snakes And I was like the young uncle. So he used to give me juice. So anyway We inside I don't know where we was. I don't think we was in the studio. I think we're somewhere He brought jay-lo on the Monte with us. He brought jay-lo. It was a big big jay-lo story She was there and she used to come talk with us And then puppies give her the look like We'd be in the studio. She come to say Like this he She'd be come talking to me She was cool with us we sitting there and I'm my you jay-lo was flawless. I haven't seen jay-lo in years But in 1998 99 you sniff her chair. Of course We did Look like somebody just made it I was just sitting there looking at her like this So anyway, me and pop was going, you know, we just Listen that and I'm always in the room or something. We I don't even know what it was So we talking back and forth. We you know, I could do this and I do this. Yeah, I know this net So I'm like, I don't know what he said to me. But somehow we started like wrestling somehow It was a wrestling we had like a wrestling match. I don't know if you remember this shit with this shit It's so vivid. It was You don't see that I don't know how it was. It just got into some ego verse ego And I'm like I don't know. I don't know what happened. But he like my nigga. I see you puff. If I grab you you can't get out I can't get you anything Okay, what you say Over the head And it was fighting for dead I don't know in the bed? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Man, we not even do bed. We just... The common area of old fellas and it was men against men and the man told me if I grabbed you, he said, I bet you I'll get out of here. So what do you want to bed? Like, what do you want in bed? He said, I bet... I don't even know what we bet. I know that thing was on the floor, and I was like, fuck, you're not getting out of this thing. You're crazy. My big man is walking into that thing. He's like, yo, shit. And I say, he's like, he's not... When I let him go, he's like, no, no, no, let me go. He's like, I will never stop. We'll do that shit tomorrow. We'll do that. We made that. And I think from that moment, we had a little bit more risk. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to Puff, man. You know what? At first, when I was competing with them, I always wanted to say, oh, fuck them niggas. Fuckin' nines. Fuckin' Puff. Fuck up Jay-Z, right? But then, when I stopped competing with them, I started to realize how important they are to our culture. So when I see a nines, I always want to big him up. I always want to stop and give him a hug. When I see a Puff, it's the same thing. When I see a Jay, I always want to stop and just give them love because the thing about our culture is we don't celebrate our culture. That's right. And you tell him, he got to relax. And then grab the bottle. Even though we don't even want the bottle, just grab the bottle, call it though. This record will pour over your shit. Just grab the bottle. No, we don't do niggas, Jay and Puff. They're two individuals probably like 50% of the influence over the culture. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. I'm financing. I'm a little crude too, not to take nothing away from the team. At one point, I used to compete with them so much that I never actually understood they're genius. Sometimes when you're trying to be on the same level with somebody, you don't understand it. Sometimes when you're a bless, you can't see somebody else's blessing. You're living in your blessings. That's right. So when I came up and everything was percolating and popping, I started to realize that, damn, all these years, I fucked up. Because I was trying to be the next rock and fellow. I was trying to be the next bad boy. And then when I sat back, I said, damn, this whole time, I should have been bigging you up this whole time. That's my fault. That ain't his fault. Because if he don't fuck with me, that's his fault. But my fault is, I gotta appreciate Chi Auli. I gotta appreciate her, my son. I gotta appreciate... That's okay, this is drink time. Change this phone. We just do it. And that's what I want to keep continuing to promote. To promote us, bigging up us. Because if we don't big up us, because who's gonna big us up? No way. Not a damn soul. And everybody gonna eat. But the thing is, this is the thing about life. The thing about life is, me and my partner right here, we did this drink championship for five, six months, and we didn't get paid a dollar. In fact, I'm sure we owed $50,000. I'm sure that all the flights that we were doing, but we believed in this so much, and we believed in hip hop so much that we didn't care. So by the time we did get paid, it was like, we definitely get paid. We didn't get paid what we put out. But it didn't matter. You know what matter is, he loves hip hop. This nigga's a hip hop nigga. This nigga probably got your shit on vinyl. No, for sure. I definitely got him. He got your shit on vinyl. But that's the DJ. That's the DJ. And I'm the artist. And the thing is, who better to represent our culture than the artist and the DJ? That's right. The artist and the fucking DJ. So, the thing I'm trying to tell y'all is, if you never felt appreciated, or you never felt like what you did for hip hop didn't matter, I'm gonna tell you today, that it motherfucking dead. That's the point. Listen, I want to tell you that it did. But you know what you've done for hip hop? I'm doing it. Like you continue to do it. I want to. You have evolved into not only one of my favorite artists of all times, but now you are like a voice and you bringing stuff like this to the table. And I have a responsibility, Mice. But you are, cause the fans hate that. But, I'm gonna tell you, I actually recognize my responsibility now. Like then I didn't recognize my responsibility. My responsibility meant nothing to me because I only wanted to get me out. But Drake Champs supplies people's jobs. We have a show called, On the Run Eating, that we just finalize it. Do not, did not blow it up. Don't blow up. Who? I need to be a part of that. We got you. We got you. But listen, so we just finalize and the thing is I can't do none of this shit if I don't have hip hop on my back. Hip hop should be first. Hip hop should be a religion and not only hip hop should be a religion, but we actually have to unionize hip hop. I know I said it earlier. But for real, because just think about it, Mike. And I'm sorry that I keep using you as an example, but every time I think about your case I think of, I wish I was empowered to say, let me hire Bob Kalina. Let me hire Scott Lehman. Cause this nigga got to get the fuck off this case. And the thing about us is we only care about ourselves. We have to actually sit back, do that $25,000 check, get that $10,000 check and just give up back $100. It's not even that difficult to create this. And it can be profitable. So now when Chi-A-Li something happens with Chi-A-Li and Chi-A-Li is sitting there and he's saying, yo no, I ain't do that shit. You got representation. You got everything. And the thing is, you gave too much to hip-hop for you not to be. I know you, I know you humble. I know who you are. I know you. And you a street nigga, I know it, but you know what? Hip-hop owes you. Not, hip-hop owes us. It owes all of us. Because we dedicated our whole life to this motherfucker. Yeah, it's been a shit of a long time. Like this is way, yo, it's way worse than gangsta. But I want to, you know, just not just congratulate my bro, but you know, just to see the grind starting to pay off and and it's just a positive lane. It's beautiful. It's dope. And when you getting money and it's on some positive shit, like that's the best. Like you said, when you helping niggas, you know you helping motherfuckers kids eat. That's dope. Niggas, that's official. That's official. That's some shit you brag about. Yeah, fuck what I got. I had my son in first class just now. Fuck what I got. It was my two man's families, because of me. That's dope. That's who's, you know what I'm saying? That's always been his stuff. And that's what we got to do. So, what we got to do in hip-hop is one, continue to big each other. Like I told you, my meeting with Leo Collins he sat down with me and he, me and all the beaters at the Polo Lounge. I lived out Drake lyrics. He got to relax. Make some noise for me. I got it. Really, really, really, really really good. But Leo sat to me and he said, why does this work? And I said, what? Right? I'll leave it. Why does this work? And I said, I don't know. You see, you know why this works? Because hip-hop has never been celebrated. And at that very moment, I didn't know what he was talking about. And then I thought about it and I was like, damn, because I don't interview people I don't respect. I only interview people I respect. That's why you see a lot of the old school rappers doing shows now, niggas starting to get money. Oh, Robb Aces out there for two years. He out there. Easy Rock. A lot of people get money. Black sheep, they a lot of niggas like niggas. We interviewed K.R.S.1, that nigga ain't been in America for two months. And he's not show for a cheap. He definitely is not cheap. And he definitely picked up African Babbata. I told him relax at that moment. It was a new situation. New situation. No, I'm not mad. I had to get on some bullshit. I had to get on some bullshit. My man big, big, big. He used to be talking as a old nation. I don't know what's going on. I had to get on some bullshit. I said, listen, we can't do that. This is one of my, Chris, you can't say that. You can't tell what he said. It was a new situation at the time. What did he say? In his defense, what happened was... He said, he doesn't take away from his legacy. Yeah, so what happened was this. It happened on Dream Champ. So let me finally clarify. What happened was I asked K.R.S. I said, yo, what do you feel about African Babbata? And he goes, talk about controversy, right? He said, that's not going to take away from what he gave to hip hop and what he gave to me. But in his defense, the nail was coming off of a boat. So he didn't know what African Babbata was accused of. Yeah, it was all good. You know what I'm going to be honest, I don't get nothing out of this, but when I asked him that, and he said that, I was like, oh, shit. And I didn't want to be like, I didn't want to stop him and be like, yo, you're just a fucking boat. He didn't know what facts. But what happened was, big up the star, start a book while big you up, but he took that one part and he destroyed him. Like he just because he and in Star's defense, he was actually right too. Because he did say that, but he didn't have the facts before he took the picture. He didn't have the facts. And me, I want to Twitter all day. I want Instagram all day. So I understand. But when Chris said that, I knew I knew I knew that I knew he didn't know what was going on. He didn't know. You can't take away from his music whatever theabbata. You can talk with his legacy. Fuck his legacy. I'm talking about you can't take away from his music. You like it so much. I'm not going to say I'm taking the trophy out of it. I'm going to take the trophy. I don't know. If they find out that baseball players use the steroids, they take all of them accolades, man. So the same shit applies in hip hop. Yeah, but he cheated the game. You cheated the game too. Because you cheated the game. I'm talking about his music. If you liked one of his songs No, chief. And didn't know who you should Like it. No, no way. Like I told you before we started I can't separate the artists from the music. If you're not who you say you are then the music to me is completely different. What I'm saying is if you don't know who the artist is if you just listen to the music I know now that you was raping that fucking boys. I don't want to do nothing. I don't even want to hear it. I wish I could just rewind and never heard the shit I heard. We neither. What I'm saying is when they play party people I'm not going to move. I'm going to turn that shit off right now. But that's part of their history. I agree. You can hear it. I'm going to the DJ but we'll see you turn that shit off. Turn it off. I'm doing the whole everything out of here. I'm saying I hear you. I'm not going to stand up for him. I can't. Thank you. That's the part. You listen. You just keep going. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. Don't worry. Here's the... I forgot. I forgot the line. This is the best part. I know what it is about. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I love, I respect everything African man bought a brunette in this street. But at the same token, I can't cosign anything as his allegations. You see a person named Poppy from the Bronx and I know this nigga. I don't know where I know him from but I know this nigga. He ain't lying. And that nigga sitting there saying yo, can I, what I'm saying is on me, you could be a rapist when I hear... If I found that out tomorrow, ain't nothing going to change when I hear... That's my shit. You get it. I can say fuck that nigga, he's a bitch. That shit is dead. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I felt like care was. The wrong was trying to express but he expressed it in the wrong way because he was trying to say I don't give a fuck what y'all told me about African man bought a brunette because of my nigga. The problem was care arrested and know what African man bought a brunette was actually accused of. He didn't know all the facts. He said, this is what he said. That shit is fucked up on this file. That's some fucked up shit. I'm like, yes. A lot of them in the same jail and you don't know what what triggered them to... a lot of them brought them to life while I think it's man. That's the reason why I ain't gonna lie. I never addressed it because after care rest said that was the same day the facts came out of the whole shit. So when care rest said... now you gotta realize, now put it together. You gotta realize... you heard about African man bought a brunette and he goes... fuck controversy. I don't give a fuck about no controversy. It can never take away from when he did the hip hop. I ain't do... care rest don't know the other gigs. So... like it's just like right now. That we know of. We film this. I don't know when it's gonna come out. Right? But by the time we put it out people think this is new right now. And it wasn't. You know what I'm saying? So she could change. So I gotta represent for care rest one good because by the time he put it out I'm glad you... He was on a boat. He went on a boat. I can't even... He was on a boat. He sent a letter and said... I'm glad you clarified this. I was hurt. Care rest did not... He did not... I'm sorry Chris. I'm gonna be honest. I'm gonna be honest. He did not co-sign it. But he did say what he said. And that's like you. It's like you tell me I'm like mice, my nigga. I don't give a fuck what you tell me. And I'm gonna stick with that. Gee my nigga. I don't give a fuck what you say. But we didn't know that. Y'all niggas... fake pop boys. Like we... When it comes out... No, no, no. It's the general. Everything. I was doing a protest. Like a protest for like 30 days straight about the ladies... Because we got a big up mice on the raptivists. Yeah. Love that. I love that. No, no, let me tell you something. I'm sorry. I can't cut you up. And my people hate that. My son. The courage that you have in certain situations I always watch you. And I wish I had the same courage you have. I appreciate it. I don't have the courage you have. You be marching for real. Like you really for real. You want to the women's march. You want to the man march. You be marching. Let's make some noise for March. We got riggles. We got riggles. So I was doing a protest. They killed a 66 year old woman. She shot her two times in the abdomen. They said she had a back. Mentally ill woman. They walked in the house, four of them. They couldn't do nothing else. But she had a back. She shot her for two times having a back. Saying she was a threat to their life. This is in the Bronx? I did a 40 day protest. I was outside the precinct every day. 40 days straight. I was out there with my kids. I was out there with my kids. Whatever it was. This is how passionate I was about it. One of those days, the guy, the accuser of being bad was out there with me. He pulled me to the side. He was a diesel dude. He was like, yo, I want to talk to you. I didn't know who you were. He was like, yo, man. I'm the guy that told about what what the man Bada did to me. You know what I'm saying? I want to look at him. And as you as being hip hop. Because this is our father. Our father might be fucked up. But this is kind of our father. So when he was telling me this, he was looking me in my eyes. This wasn't no, it didn't seem like, yo, man, it took me years to be able to say this to somebody. Because it hurts. But I respect you. I think that you stand on the principles and I just want to look you in your face and say this ain't no lie. You know what I'm saying? I want you to look at me. And I just want to come on here and tell you that. And that should kind of hurt me. You can tell because it hurts them saying this. Exactly. He was in jail. He said I was locked up. He looked like he was fit. You know what I'm saying? I want to come and say to somebody, what the fuck, he want to say that to me. You know what I'm saying? It was like, damn, I'm like, damn, I'm sorry for you. He said it's very few people I respect. I told my story because I needed to do that for me. But I actually respect you. And I respect what you're doing. I'm telling you that. I just want you to understand why I said what I said. I needed to get rid of that for me. Because I was living with that shit for years. And I just wanted you to know that I ain't lying on him. I ain't make up no stories. It hurt me to have to even have that. Is this Dawson's brother? No, he was like Brown's. I see him all the time. He was like Brown's. I didn't even know what to say to him. You know what I'm saying? It was like, damn, it's so... What can you say to him? I'm gonna say a thing for the lady and you come with that. I ain't marching. He was out there marching with me. You know what I'm saying? This was like, damn, man. I didn't even know... I was at a loss. I'm usually never at a loss for words. I would have been at a loss of words. So when Chris said that, thinking of my whole life shit, I was like, come on. Oh, so I just want to clear that up. I had to clear it up. I'm glad you said it. Even when I heard it back, I was like, damn, this is a scene. This is fucked up. What the thing about it was, we didn't even have the order details. So when I asked him, I said, yo, what you think about African man bottle? He was like, fuck. Yo, but people don't understand part of being real. Yeah. Is sometimes you got to... You got to be wrong. Separate the two. Sometimes you might have to tell your man that you're real. And that's what happened. That's life, folks in the roads come. At the time we interviewed K.R.S.1, it was just a rumor. So none of us knew the facts right or wrong. No, we didn't. And E.F.F.I.D., I'm going to be honest, the whole time I've brought up African man bottle, this thing is really hip hop. He was a bit... He kept looking at what I did. It disappointed me because in my organization that I do, one of my friends, real close friends, is part of the Zulu Nation. We love Zulu Nation. It hurt him. It's a change for Zulu Nation. It's what it's done, the impact. It's one person, the Zulu Nation. That's why you follow the message and not the message. That's why you... Right, Cheat. But that's why if you see something in hip hop, something in hip hop is not wrong, you can't blame the whole hip hop generation. You can't... I'm going to tell you what you want me to cut you off. Yeah, please. I deserve it. So that's where we got to be held accountable. Because when we see as the hip hop nation, if we don't say something is wrong with it, then they can say that it's the whole hip hop nation. Right. You're saying that you're close to it. That means silence means acceptance. It's bad as damn when they don't do nothing after they shoot us. Silence means acceptance. So if you not... So you tell me if I see something that's going on and I don't say nothing, that means I call you close to it. Damn. And that's why we dropped the ball to the generation. But you know what? People always ask, what's it like in jail? How come people come out better and this and that? And words really can't explain it. But it's that. It's so many situations that you force to call someone from your silence because you want to go home, because you want to get on that trailer. Because you ain't trying to be in a box beat up your property in downstate, you in upstate. You know what I'm saying? And that's the shit that when you get in that cell and got to look in the mirror, when you know they pull that nigga out that line for nothing, they get ready and do him dirty and they keep it moving. You know we got that trailer Friday and your bitch ain't trying to hear that. So you keep it pushing, you know what I'm saying? That's the shit that breaking nigga down. That's the shit that making nigga bitter. And that's the energy that you got to use and say, alright, I did that at this situation. But now I'm free. I can't do that ever again. Ever again. Like fuck, I'm not going to put myself in a position to be in that position again, but I'm not going to put myself in a position to where I got to swap. I don't want to look at my kids and say that I ain't do everything I could to make them better people or make the world better for them. I don't ever want to have that conversation. If I got to sit in jail for some shit that I lost my life, or if I got to lose my life for some shit that I know that I stand for, none of us want to die. If you can't, they want to die. You know Malcolm X didn't want to die, but they died doing the work that they know they was put here to do. So people are like, yo, you can't say this. I'm like, I don't know if you can say it. But my spirit tells me that I don't have the courage to say. And I'm moving in that. That's the homo move. Everything about me, yo, my wife this morning was like, why you got this? Because that's who I am. You married me because that's who I am. Now, if you change your mind, that's who I'm you. I'm never going to stop being who I am. You got to figure this shit out. I'm not going to stop. So you got to figure out who you are. And that is the balance and the challenge that you got to be with being who you are. Like, you know who you are. You just fell backwards this level. That's it. You got to balance it. She only be honest, brother. We really appreciate you and hip hop. Yo, you was down with Native Tony, right? I was the first nigga Chris, son. You just interviewed the beat knots. And what's that with Juju, man? Me and Les always took Juju. Him and I, what the fuck's he had? I think he's sniffing a lot of cold bits. Fantastic. He was a nigga. I went to our... I went to our... I noticed a sniff of cold bits. I felt like... Where's he at the way he live? Everybody has to know something. There was just a wiggle zone. Juju, like, he was there. Did he say last week too? He snipped him out. They were complaining. I'm lying. I've never seen anything that I ever said. Juju, it's a lie. But, you know, for podcast purposes, we got to... As you see, I'm pulling. I hate that. Yo, I was the first nigga Chris, son. Me and Fangio. Yes. Yes. You originated Violator Records. The records. Oh, you did even make Violator Management. Records. First nigga. You. Before Defendant, what is that relativity? And then I ain't gonna lie, outside we was talking. You called him Baby Chris. No, that was you who called him Baby Chris. That's the Baby Chris. Nigger called him Baby Chris. Baby Chris. Baby Chris. What's that, Barbara? Barbara, yeah, that's how it's people. You got a Barbara? Yeah. You gotta relax. I mean, Chris and the Aids, you gotta remember I was young. I'm like 11, 12, 13 when I met him. So, he was running around with the Jungle Brothers. Running around with K.R.R.S. These are the niggas. You know, I come home from school. I'm doing my homework. Watching rap city. And then I'm a Bronx nigga. So, like, K.R.R.S. won. Like, he was everything to me. K.R.R.S. I told him the Jungle Brothers was everything to me. K.R.R.S. the Jungle Brothers. And he got the most disrespect from record. Chris just did. You have to teach him with the most disrespect. He got the most...you know what I'm saying? I listened to Bridges over the other day. I wanted to shoot myself and beat myself. You don't know what to do. I was like, ah... Because... That's K.R.R.S., man. I grew up to them and Chris brought me around them. But how did you meet Chris? Do Latifah. Latifah was living in Kaua. I just... I just... The average nigga don't care. He just take a lot of people. How many homes in the Bronx? Because Allison and Kika, her dancers lived in Kaua. And it was like a summer live... Kaua city. You know why I know Kaua city? Because you got the only other hood that got terraces. And we got left racked terraces. So I always remember the Kaua city was my nigga. So the niggas were terraces. Summer and hope. And the dancers, that summer everybody was coming. Like our dancers was bad. I didn't know what then I was young. But they were... But not every special live, E.P.M.D. The jungle, every... Wait, wait, wait. Everybody was coming through. He's got this little pats there. He's got this little pats there. You gotta relax, T.L.A. T.L.A. Come on, you didn't say you were... So I'm 11, 12. All these niggas coming through. And they had good hair. They had good hair. They had my older brothers. They was in high school together. So it was Chihyu coming upstairs. We cooking. We smoking. That type shit. So I just be around and want to touch Moni Love. But I had to brush up Moni back in the day. Me too. I pick up Moni Love. So it was just Syro. That's how I got up with Chris. Because they would be there him and Shaquem. I was real cold-blooded. At one time I probably was... We're running Netflix right now. I need to get with Shaq. Shaq Live? Yeah. We gotta do the T.L.A. store. We gotta do it. We gotta do it. We gotta do it. And from that, me and Chris just developed a relationship. Just running around. They was girls. So a lot of times people would be like, you come with me when you be over there. I'll be like, alright. And then did a show with the Jungle Brothers at the Apollo. He's a awesome one. He just hit us with Mad History. I was like, it's not a lie. But you were very sweet. I'm glad I started young. Because I'm not as old as I feel like I should be. You know what I'm saying? I feel like most of them niggas is close to the 50. And I'm 40. You're 40? I'll be 41 this year. I'll be 41 in a few days. Are you one year older than me? I'm 11 days younger than Mike Stone. I'm definitely 27. I'm definitely 27, Mike. I'm sorry. I'm definitely 27. I'm sorry. I'm young. He's older than anybody. Listen, just take the bugger. Listen, let me tell you something. How did you meet Black Sheep Dress? How did you do it? At the time, I think when I signed, Chris was managing them. I think he had helped them get the deal at Polygram. So... Polygram? That label ain't even around them anymore. Yeah, it was Mercury, Polygram. Oh, and you were the first I think on everything. You've been getting them money for a long time. Long time? So, so, so, so... So, so, so, so... So, what's the question again? How did you meet Dress? Oh, yeah, so just being in the studio, we used to be a colliby. I was recording, I had just started recording while they was recording. They was finishing up their album. And Chris basically had told Dress... Like, you know, I was a kid, I was 11, 12, like, they told Dress... You was the first Bawah. Chris was the boss. I feel like Bawah all the time. I'm calling Bawah tomorrow. He know you're publishing, continue. Chris told Dress, you know, basically it was like, yo, you know, y'all gotta help with the project. You know, Chris was the executive producer. He, more or less, was... throwing a call on the shots. And then me and Dress just took to each other because everybody was like, oh my god, y'all look like brothers. Straight up. I think it's good here. You look so much like when I met his mom, she was like, yeah, y'all look alike. He was his mom? I mean, this is real. I mean, we like family now, you know what I mean? But, um, and then we just started hanging out. Like Dress just took me under the wing. Yeah. Yo, Chi-Ali, I'm going to be honest with you. In case you didn't never knew how much hip-hop appreciates you, how much hip-hop owes you, how much hip-hop wants to big you up. But you too, homie and capone, like, yo, on some real shit, like my highlight, man, I'm trying to get y'all out the house with it in D.C. We got you. Like, yo, y'all got one of my favorite rappers that I've ever seen. I'm like, yo, I'm going to be a rapper. Y'all got one of my favorite rappers. We got one of the best rap albums. Especially by a group. Like, and I always tell you that I love my life. Look, look, look. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Let's cry. They said, they said, they said, Chi-Ali is on the run. And everywhere I was going, I was like, Chi, you hear. You're real. I ain't going to cry. I ain't going to cry. I was going to drag you one night. He had a Jamaican shoe. I was in Sing Sing, and this thing used to write me letters like, yo, I was just at the show, man. But I'm like, yo, this thing is on the run. He on the run. And then I heard an interview y'all did. And I'm like, Chi, you on the run, Chi? Like 15 months. But the crazy nigga bags, I mean, like your bags, you think I should go here? Yeah, man, fuck that shit. That's a big money bag. That's a big money bag. Yo, but Chi-Ali, my son, my, me and my, we've been speaking a lot. We've been speaking, and I wanted my son to know that not only that I want to do the interview, but I wanted to do. I wanted a special moment. You hit me out of the blue. And when you hit me, I was like, dad, I just want to put my two. I look up to y'all, even though y'all could probably big me up and fuck that. That's what makes life life. So I fucks with y'all. So I said, I'm a rather dude, this together. So then you hit me and you said you was going to be in Miami. But I thought about it. I said, nah, I want to hang with him in Miami. I don't want to come with you and you be business and all this dumb shit. I'd rather do this shit in New York. Let's get it knocked out. But I'm just telling y'all Bronx can be proud of y'all right now. Because y'all are, when I look at Bronx, the Pinnacle, I think of Fat Joe and nothing of the YouTube Brothers. I could never take it away from Fat Joe because that's my brother and I love him. He's been around since I've been around a long time. I love it. I can't take that from him. They sell some Remy too, first. Rich play. I didn't like the second one, maybe. The second one. They even let it get too far. Let's take that off of YouTube right now. What's the second one? Is it still on YouTube? I'm not sure. I was in. She did that. Big shit, their album is tough. They got a nice album though. Oh, Fat Joe and Remy. The album is hard. It was announced on Dream Chance first. It was announced on Dream Chance. Goddamn it. So, again, I just want to big you brothers up. I want your brothers to know that in hip hop sometimes we don't do this. We don't do what I'm doing right now. We don't say you're appreciated. Brenda would have never threw her baby away if somebody would have told Brenda you're appreciated. So, this is what I started this for. I just want to tell people, Chi, your stories is one of the realest stories in hip hop. Both of you brothers' stories is one of the most real stories in hip hop. But when I looked at that Lattee meet interview and I watched you and I looked at your mannerism and I looked at it, I said, that is an aura that should be represented. Because you didn't big it up, you didn't glorify it. You just said, this is what I did and I'm not proud of it. And that right there should be the pinnacle of how we teach are you. What you did and I know probably you know, I love Troy, but Troy probably could look at this and say, no, why don't you let this know? That's not what we did. We are just letting people speak their truths. Your version of the truth was so crazy. Every real nigga in the world sat back and said, that's how we're supposed to do it. Me, I don't have the courage to do that. I don't have the courage to sometimes call somebody on their bullshit, what you did. And I'm not saying his shit is bullshit. I'm not, this is a misunderstanding. This is a misunderstanding to me. No, because whenever you get on anywhere and you start to big up something that shouldn't be bigged up, that should be shut down. Immediately because we have responsibilities as adults. And I don't give a fuck if you don't want to be a role model. Guess what? You're a fucking role model. There's somebody that does something people think you're ready to be. Because of you. So again, I'm not shitting on slime in no way shape form or fashion, but when you stepped up, first off, you had did the Instagram John. Then you actually went to the breakfast club. And when you went to the breakfast club, you explained yourself so accurately, you explained yourself so articulately that I sat back and I was like damn it, mice. And I was going to call you, but I said you know what, let me let everybody else call. And I'm going to call him later because I know he knows I appreciate what he's doing. And so for us to be right here right now, there's nothing more that I want to do. I got this platform. So what? You know what's more important about me having this platform is me giving love to you. Like you properly do. I don't want to interview these new guys. They got one record and they want to fuck them niggas. I'm sorry, you got to earn shit to come over here. Fuck the new guys. I can't see you really. Please don't say the word hate. That shit is your own exaggerating, they miss you. Yo listen, mice, mice. These are my new, no, no, you're not. You gotta relax. Alright, the young niggas gotta relax. I don't even gotta be caring about. I understand that. It's not the, which I say real niggas never said that. I don't even know what the red you have. No, that's not what I never said that. I'm saying over all because they saying, you know, niggas never said that. I feel like then this is saving a life since certain things are like this. Get out the, get out like, who got a kid this house? No, no, you got a kid. I'm directly asking you, and to the reason why I can't interview new niggas is because I've never been on tour with them. I never have a relationship. I never, I never I never sink them on the run and then come to my shows. Like that's different. This nigga was on the run in my show. I'm like, you cheat. I almost want to say you gotta relax. But he came. And he came with e-money bags. That's history. That's real shit. Am I saying the new niggas can't build their history? Of course they can. But not here. Not now. Not do slime. But the more you come up, I'ma watch it because the one thing for sure, two things for certain, I gotta respect creativity. Creativity, I don't give a fuck even if you don't like it. I'm gonna respect creativity. You're expressing yourself. I'm gonna express it. People gotta earn shit too. So the thing is with me is I actually had a manager. That nigga that he talked about when he said Chris, actually had a manager that actually cared about my creativity and he actually cared about my financial. That doesn't exist no more. These niggas don't give a fuck about you. They're gonna say all right cool, you got a good record. You got a bougie and that's it. So what I'm trying to say is I wanna big up to people who survived the era that I survived. To survive the fucking shit and it ain't about financial. It ain't, cause you can survive and you can still be down. I wanna respect the people that went through what I went through and more and they still did like a man because it's so terrible. This business is horrible. Right. It's so horrible. I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna laugh I'm gonna smile for you but as soon as the camera go off this shit is not that way. So when I smile when the camera's off, that's genuine. But you ever seen Kanye you've seen him he's like then he see the camera on him you're like you know what that is? That's pain. It's pain because he been frontin' so long I'm not sayin' frontin' like in a bad way. Look, does chain work again? You can't wear your jewelry in Queens no more City Boy D. They try to snatch them. They whipped them out. They whipped them out. But they try to snatch the chain. All jewelry? Alright you gotta relax. Yesterday it was rough for you. Let's make some noise for the City Boy D. But listen, listen. He got his shit. Oh we gonna kill him. We heard that I walked over there with my bro, it's like a mic move He never put me in a headlock. He put me in a headlock yesterday. Everybody, you're the only one that can't swing. But listen Hip hop deserves to continue to celebrate hip hop. We deserve our people City Boy D. Young really motherfuckin' who else we are. We deserve to sit back and just continue to support each other. Cause if we don't, there won't be nobody else that support us. So when you got a legend like Chi-A-Li with the Montclair T-shirt on that's very expensive T-shirt. Very expensive, at least $89. At least $89. I know, I don't fuck with Montclair. But we gotta continue to do that. And my son, that's how we own it. We love it. I got it, I'm on point. I'm on point. I'm gonna meet that game together. A little bit. Let's talk about this record. Let's talk about the record. Body. Body, we just finished the video. We got that body. We talking sensuous. We talking sensuous, man. I don't know that word. We said the beats, man. Sensuous? Oh, body. You're from the Bronx. You can't be having a record body. You gotta say female. You're from the Bronx. I'm a fan. When I heard of it, my son Chi-A-Li bodies to my eyes. He thinks he's catching on a case. He's drunk too much. Even if he goes to the bar. I get it. Please, change it to female. Y'all too can't have a record body. It's terrible. You gotta see the video though. We done already? You filmed it. You can't say shot. You can't say shot. He's triggered words. You can't say trigger words. You can't say that. You can't say trigger words. Yo, how you doing? Yo, I'm so sorry. I went too far. Straight shot of some rock. That's all I drink. Delica ever. The pop that I did there right there. The rock boy Chi-A-Li. I'ma tell you this though. If I put you in the Bay of Hugs, you not getting that money. You not getting that money. Yo Chi-A-Li Mike saw I can't think you bruhs enough. Listen, I want to continue to support. I don't want to even say real niggas. I want to continue to say I want to support substance. Authenticity. Authenticity. Authenticity. You gotta relax. But I want to continue to support niggas like you bruhs because you know why. Behind the scenes. When a person say a person's a real nigger, that's one thing. But then what happens when it's behind the scenes? When a nigger can actually sit there and give you a 5 and laugh, that to me is a real nigger. Like all the realest niggas I ever met was never loud. That's right. The loud nigger's the pussy nigger. I mean and I'm loud so maybe I might be pussy too. But the loud nigger, what I'm saying is the nigger that sits there and has fun and he smiles that's the nigger I'm always worried about because I know that he got something to risk. But when a guy's just and this is what we gotta continue to support in hip hop and I really can't thank you enough Chih. Thank you for coming in. Nah, nah, we talking about me hanging out in Miami. I did this here because listen, when you come to Miami it's totally different. I'll be like this. So what I'll be like this too. I'm different. We ain't got a bunch of stuff. I'm different in Miami. But my song, Chih Ali, I can't thank you brothers enough because you know what I'm gonna continue to do what I gotta do. That's how we want it. The remix is out. Body, body, soul, video, I'm gonna click the link in my bio Chih Ali BX, My Song, NY General. Shout out to Instagram. Chih Ali BX, My Song, NY General. Look at Chih Ali. That's how you know it. She wrote me the dream one. And if the box is not, if you felt like the Bronx wasn't alive, the Bronx is alive tonight. Today BX reign supreme. Other than the British over record. I'm still doing it. Big shout out to my brother, Showbiz. Big up Showbiz. DITC. DITC. They been telling me that studio was a big dollar studio. The bro man. This is tough. Listening parties, all of that. That's my nephew. I'm sorry. I gotta be hard on your nephew. I gotta be hard on your family. Thank y'all once again. We're gonna go on a balcony and smoke as Chih been wanting to smoke this back way forever. You can't work. You be like this, my nigga. I ain't gonna lie. I can't go over here getting wet right now. And you drink it straight. I ain't gonna lie. I was wearing it. I'm not even drinking straight. I'm a drink chair. I'm an alcoholic. I'm not even drinking straight. But I wanted you to get drunk. That's my whole thing. But at the same time, as a friend I was worried about you. You good? Drink chair! You ready? I got a little bit of that. I'm looking at the picture and I'll try. This is an I Heart podcast.