UFO Lessons from Lacatski - The Doctor of Disclosure

The largest acknowledged UFO investigation ever funded by the US government the Katsuki designed and managed all that When I asked him about was he exposed to a legacy program? He answered with saying why clearances aren't Classified I can tell you that I had a a cue clearance and I was like listening to it after it I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, he just answered it right there. Yeah, I saw that a lot of people missed that. Okay. He had a cue clearance Which means DOE right? There's a lot of chatter over the last couple of years that DOE might be the home of these crash recovery Efforts I think people need to really pay attention to who Dr. Lekatsuki is what his role was I don't know that we have anybody who's had such a hands-on role running the defense intelligence agencies The world's largest that we know of UFO program all-time coming out and talking about it in a very controlled manner This is weaponized This is weaponized. I'm George Napin Las Vegas joined my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell at parts unknown How you doing good? How you doing man? So a lot of chatter out there about our our most recent guest on weaponized Dr. James Lekatsky Some of it pretty supportive and and thankful that he came forward to share this information and a lot of it from the typical expected sources a pretty negative so I what what before we jump into that I want to mention an anniversary 39 years ago this past week Bob Lizar came forward we dropped that story on K. L. A.S. part of multiple part series and the world exploded and 39 years later we're still talking about the same kind of stuff do we have reverse engineering programs do we have a crash retrieval programs do we have a Samples of technology from somewhere else that we may not have figured out yet. So Tip of the hat out to Bob Lizar for sticking with this all these years and and you know he changed the world certainly changed Area 51 forever. That's for sure. Oh, yeah, he changed the world of what he said I mean he is the original whistleblower, you know, there was no congressional situation where he could talk because we hadn't had hearings in you know 40 years whatever 50 years from now. So he didn't have an outlet nor was he looking for it. He came forward because with you because He was scared and that's the thing that people Really I think miss out of the stories that he didn't come forward for altruistic reasons He came forward because he felt he was in danger and his story has changed the world and now we're hearing it again in these since 2017 in official capacity, you know, he still has hesitation to Congress like why would I tell them they've screwed me over everybody in government Screwed me over I get his perspective, but we're kind of living in a different world now where Congress is is fighting to have oversight about these non-human intelligence exploitation programs It's like There's a very small gray area, but it's the whole world has chosen sides I get letters emails every single day all these years later. I don't believe him because XYZ great fine Bye, I don't care anymore. I mean for a long time I have answered the same questions over and over because Lazar himself wasn't making himself Available to the public so it it comes to me and I'm sure to you as well. Here's the problem I have great fine Don't believe it doesn't matter at this point. I don't think it matters at all in the big picture because he put not only area 51 and S4 on the map But generated intense public interest in the idea of crashed saucers and reverse engineering programs and now that's that's That's blossomed quite a bit in the 39 ensuing years Yeah, yeah archaeological digs gifts crash saucers all this stuff He did it was you're reporting with him and him coming forward through our pal back in the day John Lear Oddly enough where he actually got on camera with you for the first time I can't believe it's been 39 years. I am excited that there's gonna be another movie about him I hope that we learn more my movie was not trying to prove or disprove if Bob was always telling the truth There's trying to get to know the guy because that's what I wanted for myself selfishly I wanted to know was Bob was our tone the truth the only way to really know is to get to know the guy over time I came to the determination that he's telling it exactly like it happened But not everybody can stand in my shoes So my movie about it was kind of trying to take people in and I think that's why it had impact was because people were curious as I was was You know, who is this person Bob was are but now we're past that you know, he was on Rogan It's I think it's still the number one Like viewed above Trump on YouTube on the Rogan podcast that's pretty astounding That means people are so curious about what he had to say because of the concept the idea Maybe Trump is pissed off about that. Maybe that's why he won't release all the UFO info in the files and things because Bob Lazar beat him on the Rogan podcast I don't think so I think Sure, I'm sure it will overtake at some point the Lazar episode, but we should hear more from Lazar and Yeah, you're right. It's such an interesting time because looking at that 39 years before wow, that's incredible Let's talk about Jim Lekatsky So yeah a wide variety of opinions about him It's a lot like what's happened with Lazar people have made up their mind either pro or Khan Whether he can be trusted or not. Oh Where do you want to take that? What what kind of reactions have come your way? Yeah, I mean, I see a whole bunch I think that first of all it's astounding that you got a doctor James Lekatsky to go on the news with you You're an affiliate of CBS. I mean, it's major news It goes everywhere and then the fact that he came on weaponized two years after he came on and look It wasn't easy. This is not a guy jumping up with his hand raised trying to get on news You know, it's like Polentieth, but you know my appeal to him in a text we had was hey man Look if you think this is so important and the people should hear it the only way they're gonna do that is if you talk about the book Your new book and you and you just do an interview you have to do one man And I know that he has a you know personal situations that you know He limit him from that kind of thing, but wow he really came swinging We learned even more this time The questions I hear from people first of all should we listen to Dr. Lekatsky? What did he say and and the question is because when you understand what he said is he lying? I think we should address those things so first and foremost, you know Should we listen to Dr. James Lekatsky on UFOs on the fact or the idea that our government has at least one He's admitted and we breached the whole should we listen to him George? I Know a lot of people have noticed that he's talked about his role in counterintelligence as part of the OSAP program and Because they equate counterintelligence with lies False info cover stories misdirection. Aha. He's putting out a bunch of false info a Decade after he retired from government service a it's not him He's not out there beating the bushes. He's talked to us, but that's pretty much it He's telling the full story as much as he can in a series of books and I was co-author on two of those not on this one And you know, I remember the first time a met him it was in 2018 the only reason he came forward He was he was ticked off about how a tip had been described in major media reports and no mention had been Given to the the actual real program the one that had a $22 million budget lasted 27 months and which put together The biggest UFO data warehouse in history that had written all these papers that still have not been released So Jim Jim was a counterintelligence guy for OSAP, but in in this role He wasn't putting out cover stories or lies. He didn't put out anything the world didn't hear that OSAP existed Until years later at least by that name there was one statement made to the press about that program It was by Robert Bigelow whose company bass got the contract a week after he signed it he came on With me on coast to coast AM and said we got this program Dillon with UFOs. We have an unnamed partner and we're excited to get going that was it Jim Lekaski wasn't putting out PR releases about OSAP. It was nothing That was the last thing anybody said until the New York Times did the a tip story and then Jim Lekaski felt the real story was being covered up If not for that story about a tip and the problems that he saw with it He would never have mentioned this. I don't think ever you'll recall OSAP at the time that things went downhill that the funding was was moved away They were trying to make it into a SAP a special access program and if it had happened We probably would never have heard of it if it had happened Lou Elizondo would have been the counterintelligence guy for OSAP They you'd already talked to to Lekaski, but the Katsuki is not Not proclaiming the greatness of the program He's not out there beating the bushes on podcasts and newscasts other than with us And he never put that in counterintelligence his role counterintelligence meant something different For OSAP the thing that DIA had told him was look You know, it's not a rogue program. I know it gets weird into some of the phenomena that was at skinwalker ranch and other places We don't care. Here's what we care about don't let the secret out We don't want to see this on the front page of the Washington Post. We want to kept secret and so Jim Lekaski Took it on himself put it in his own hands. He and column Kelliger Interviewed all these people who applied for the jobs The 50 full-time positions that they staff in a matter of months They did background checks They required security clearances for all those people and they were worried about leaks They didn't want information to get out They also were concerned about espionage by foreign players by foreign companies things that that sort And some of that really did happen as Jim has shared with us There were a couple of phones that were Transmenders that were found inside big-low aerospace inside the big-low Facilities and was very alarming they because they weren't sure who was doing it I says I think they think it was a foreign government I'm not going to say which one of they suspected the most but and then they also found a weird frequencies emanating from skinwalker ranch That's not strange and there's a lot of unusual stuff that happens there But it was some sort of an espionage program that they believed was was not a look at that the ranch but also at bass That was his primary concern He was worried that the story gets out because secrecy was paramount of paramount interest at the heads of DIA And he's worried about the information getting out to the public because once it happened and the knives come out The Pentagon and within the intelligence community which is kind of what happened MMO sent from Harry Reid's office let other people know that Alsap existed and that's when things started getting problematic the bugging thing So it's not just like big-low aerospace was tapped with something He said specifically Alsap right so they were looking at that new UFO program And I don't know how public this is but he he did say was Not just him other people have also said it was multiple nations multiple different devices from those phones So you have to look at any also said that they worked with FBI to they had left FBI liaisons Looking at the ranch property and also at big-low aerospace because remember they were supposed to receive a transfer of materials That's why they reverse Reverse engineered you know they built everything to be able to hold Skiff capable and material capable Property at that classification level. So Look, I think if we pull it back The whole idea is James LeCatsky made a statement at some point that he was you know head of or part of or running the counterintelligence for Alsap but his point was to keep Alsap itself Secret from foreign nations. So then he has to keep it secret from the US He didn't he did a great job. They actually kept it secret that doesn't mean he's going out and creating false Information to the public like he's been accused of so should we listen to to Jim LeCatsky? That was like you know the main quiet Oh one second he also identified that there is currently a Counterprogramming counterintelligence operation going on To the American public but not against the American public by arrow that was so clear in our interview with him That he said that you know look they're acting this way. They are telling you lies about Alsap and and and and what's what happened And that that's why he said my books. I'm a government employee. This is paid by taxpayers I'm trying to give you information and and that's what his books are So it's clear from these rounds of interviews that we just had with Dr. LeCatsky that he supports a controlled UFO disclosure He made that very clear So should we listen to what he has to say him? He was a big dog, right George? He was the head of the largest US government-funded UFO investigation in history that we know of Um, he worked with column-keller her Who was the guy of the boots on the ground guy in Las Vegas? They work with Jay Stratton Stratton's role in the development of Alsap has not been really fully explored But he's got a book coming out as at some point once he gets through the dopser process But then we'll get additional information to buttress what LeCatsky is in I think they the way it was explained to me is within DIA They both had their areas of influence where they're watching stuff and developments in their fields gyms was missile defense Foreign technology that might become a threat and for both of them Stratton and LeCatsky they started seeing these reports of UFOs involving our national security appearing over the crown jewels of our national defense system They put their heads together and figured out we need to look into this we need to put something together LeCatsky reads the book about the hunt for the skinwalker Which by the way the 20th anniversary is coming up here in a week or so And and then he passes it off to Jay who reads it while he's stationed in Iraq I thought oh that's pretty interesting that place The funny side story is Jim had said after Alsap is up and running there on the ranch with personnel Doing intensive investigations in the hole you into basin He would have DIA colleagues in the desk next to him say hey this skinwalker ranch place is pretty weird Maybe we should look into it. They had no idea that he already had a program up and running and had 50 full-time employees Because it was kept so narrow so siloed the only people who knew Were the two top guys at DIA and and LeCatsky and Stratton So you know he did a pretty good job of keeping a lid on it for as long as they could I know that I when I met him is 2018 it was say Patrick's Day 2018 I had an invitation from senator Harry Reid to go to DC to meet somebody I had heard Jim LeCatsky's name here and there toward the end of Alsap I never said anything about it because what could I say But he you know you'd hear his name sort of whispered Um, that nobody was spilling the beans to me about the Alsap program I was friends with those guys so I'd pick up tidbits But I heard his name mentioned here there and then I get the invitation from Reid to go meet somebody And I figured out who it was gonna be and the story that That LeCatsky dropped on me that day. Holy cow. I mean, it just blew my mind I had never heard of Alsap. I knew that it had some kind of a name You know and I read the stories in the Times and thought wow So that's what's the name of this thing that we couldn't talk about his atip And he gave me the download of all downloads that day and just completely changed the narrative that the public had been told up to that point He's a real deal. He's not a liar I can't know now anybody looks at what he said and thinks he's a liar But he's very careful. He's scrupulous and if he makes an agreement and makes a promise To the government to dops her to his agency That he will not tell things beyond what he's authorized to tell he sticks to it I mean you did your best to try to get more information squeezed it out of them beat him up a little bit Uh And try to get him to say more about the recovered disc or the gifted disc or wherever it was and how do we know it flies that kind of stuff Uh, but he wouldn't much and he's not going to much I mean, I think when he decided that he was gonna make Information public about us app he developed a plan about how much could be released in what state is and eventually he wanted to release all of it at least some kind of Some kind of a controlled release it is a form of disclosure whether people like it or not You know if you're holding your breath waiting for The president or department of war to say something about this. 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Lekatsky made like on our show like an atomic bomb two years ago Having somebody like him admitting that we have a UFO and NHI craft We're not talking something built from russia or china or something we even built There'd be no point in us saying it He is talking about we know this from our private conversations also his comments on weaponized He's talking about an NHI non-human intelligence built craft what we're not going into where it's from because Maybe we don't know But it's not a craft made by modern humans and that it's in government possession and that we breached the whole And that by breaching the whole you're admitting a reverse engineering program He even kind of doubled down and said well if we were interested We would be interested in the power and the propulsion. I was like well. I'd be interested where they are from That would be my interest But he was really clearly saying because of his background in plasma physics and his background As a scientist and rocket engineer, you know, he's saying his part or their interest was the propulsion of this craft So so bottom line as encounter intelligence coordinator for Asap this does not mean that he's a spook giving disinformation to the american public quite the contrary He's gone out of his way to try to explain as much as he can what asap studied Um, a few things really shocked me in this last interview George So I remember asking him if he would deny Legacy you UFO program exposure before prior to his asap program Which you know presumably where he received access to the UFO that he's talking about was before Asap because asap never dealt with hard physical UFOs the actual machines they were trying to that was the effort of Kona blue But asap itself didn't have access to a craft so when he says he saw one I was like assuming it's got to be before asap and and he ultimately On many levels confirmed that to me right? I feel that is confirmed to me He didn't desire he didn't deny that he was part of a legacy program He actually I talked over him Um, but that was kind of my method that was my approach at the time I tried to push him a little bit But I heard him in the replays When I asked him about was he exposed to a legacy program? He answered with saying why clearances aren't Um classified I can tell you that I had a a cue clearance and I was like listening to it after it I was like oh my gosh Yeah, he just answered it right there Yeah, I saw that the a lot of people missed that okay. He had a cue clearance Which means DOE right um, there's a lot of chatter over the last couple of years that DOE Because of its rigid security systems and and non disclosure Standards might be the home of these crash recovery efforts I don't know if it's a program and I'm not sure that it was before asap or where it happened in his career But at some point he got to see this thing He had a cue clearance That tells me that whatever he saw could likely be somewhere hidden in DOE And maybe it's not a program maybe it's a contractor something like that It's it's hidden with a contractor who's been stashing it away I don't know some names come to mind a possible suspect but you know Um, that was a that was a pretty big bomb that really I think most people missed that you you and I got it Yeah, we I heard but you know so to put it in the in the context for for people Only one percent of federal employees have have a cue clearance and cue clearances Typically they deal with scientific or nuclear information so like power sources Um, I remember back in the day Lazar was talking about a cue clearance. I had no idea what that was But it's it's way above you know top secret and that literally one percent of the federal workforce Has a cue clearance. I looked up all the stats the other day just interested about it They go through your financials, you know foreign contacts. They do psyche evaluations Like you have to be a pretty big baller to get a proper cue clearance But that would make sense if he saw this UFO in a program prior to all sap and It was required a cue clearance to see it that would very much track with what we understand about the UFO topic And it's relation to weapons of mass destruction I I saw a lot of comments well I'm not buying a book you should just release all this immediately. I don't want to see it in a book You should just spill everything. So I guess the attitude is If uh if he can't tell everything he knows he shouldn't say anything and people don't want to buy a book They want it all Did they even listen to what he said also Work product was about 30,000 pages of notes from the investigators That was condensed down they do about 7500 pages That became the reports that were submitted to DIA 115 or something like that reports to DIA not one of those reports has been released DIA can't find them Which is we can that's another topic to discuss You know 30,000 pages down to 7500 that comprise those reports So putting it in a condensed form so people can understand it I mean who's going to read 30,000 pages And then the books take it down even further the four books could be something like 1200 pages I think he said That's the form that he's using to share the information with the public What are they what are they wanted them to do read all 30,000 pages on camera? How many weeks of time would that take for him to get through all that stuff? So you know the idea that you got to tell me everything Or I don't want to hear anything. I'm going to hold my breath and suck my thumb and sit in the corner Is preposterous and then you know people don't think that somebody who works all this time years at this stuff and putting in a form that we can understand Can sell a book and make I'm telling you Nobody's getting rich selling UFO books Maybe Whitley Streiber did well years ago, but And especially if you have three co-authors splitting the meager Profits that you get so you know the people who complain about that. It's outrageous that he's written a book Well, okay Welcome to the fight comrade In our socialist collective here. We don't believe that people should be able to make a living for their work Yeah, I'm good. I'm just trying to do the plumbers and truck drivers out there not get paid for the work that they do Are they grifters because they're getting a salary for driving trucks? You know, it's it's stupid. I'm just excited that he spent the energy trying to bring and consolidate this information You know for a controlled disclosure to the American public I think people need to really pay attention to who doctor Lakaski is what his role was I don't know that we have anybody who's had such a hands-on role running the defense intelligence agencies The world's largest that we know of UFO program of all time coming out and talking about it in a very controlled manner The exact kind of guy you want in a position like that to keep national security interests You know look I saw the craziest shit online George. I saw some idiot saying That it was a scripted interview scripted I can't we barely have notes before in episode right I know Lakaski as you said was like reading something at the beginning because he was kind of saying what he could say to congress but that is such a ridiculous and Idiotic point of view when it comes to when we're interviewing like somebody like doctor the katsky We don't tell him not a word of what we're gonna ask him before we don't even know what he's gonna answer We're trying like everybody else to get as much information as we can from a friend like that We're really pushing him trying to get information So it's just like it's funny man all these roadblocks to listening to what he said You know, oh it was scripted or he's a counterintelligence guy hold on how about just listen to what he said It's the first government official saying it we've got a UFO and we're reverse engineering it and we've reached the hole So you don't get the script from arrow because they send me one every every month I quibble about some of the statements they want me to make but you know I get the full script. I'll start sending it to you Maybe I'm sure they try man if we'd read it. I'm sure they try Maybe that particular person who made that remark who is our most loyal listener by the way. That was a missing episode Um, maybe he's talking about the bigger picture that we live in a We that free will it does not real it doesn't exist that we live in a you know any Created reality and everything is scripted art. We have a destiny that's predetermined before maybe that's what he means speaking of idiots I saw online as well that someone was trying to Proclaim that dr. Lakatsky was part of a crash retrieval Program in Brazil With Luele Zondo and it's just it's absolute nonsense I actually texted to Lakatsky in the group, you know, just saying hey, you know What's up with this and he's like hogwash Total bullshit Um, you know, maybe it comes from the fact that the awesapp did talk with general ochoa and did study What was going on where you went? Oh, you went to kralis But there's there's no crash retrieval awesapp did not specifically Obtain any crash retrievals. It's just made up. It's just made up I saw also saw a writer try to slime Jim quoting somebody Who says everybody knows he's crazy Uh, well really, I guess d.i.a didn't because he was had a long a distinguished career They trusted him with the biggest UFO study of all time. They apparently didn't know he was crazy I know that they the source of that quote the alleged source didn't say it and And some of the other details that were in that little attack piece were were made up It's amazing how people get away with this stuff. Yeah, yeah online I mean that that's what Jim Lakatsky was talking about saying online people with absolute zero authority say things with authority And try to cloud the waters, you know, and it is part of a cover-up whether official or unofficial This noise this bullshit that is very intentional. These are intentional lies Again, Dr. Katsky part of getting your cute clearances of deep psychological e-mail as you said the guy has been a patriotic hero Within d.i.a for an entire career. So it's it's got to be pretty ridiculous have these online people just saying stupid things That aren't even true to try to diminish you. I hope he doesn't read that stuff. I don't think he does Um, but it's pretty ridiculous You know, he was already pretty clear about arrow too I mean, you know without being a simple one sentence declaration of what they are It became pretty clear in the two interviews that we've done That he thinks that they are basically a debunker organization that that's their job They're the ones doing counterintelligence. I mean he's only mad because they you know They vow that they're not going to spill the beans about any of these interviews that they do and then their former bosses the two headguys Spill everything about it. They debunk every case. They dismiss every witness They spill the beans about things that were supposed to be kept confidential and I think that's the only part of it that bothers Jim Makatsky because he sees them as they're doing their job right? That's what he said it was they're doing their job Which is making the public creating doubt getting the major media platforms to back off and probably trying to confuse Congress about their ongoing increase Yeah, so that that is a big so he did directly identify arrow look I would love if error was doing a genuine job and all this but we're seeing at least the the former heads come out and talk absolute nonsense about programs They know nothing about and it completely contradicts what what Dr. Katsky has come forward and said like in your news report your recent news report He did confirm two things that we are not dealing with human-made tech and we are in a race For mastering the technology with other adversarial nations so we can exploit Versa engineer and work on these these technologies I mean he admitted that in your news report the way that you you got that out of them so If that's the case he's just identifying that there is an agenda to Diswade the American public from understanding the reality of non-human intelligence craft That's what he's talking about. There's no such thing as a reverse engineering All sap was studying ghosts They're trying to pretend that it wasn't an official DIA program about national security to weaponize these technologies to be honest That's he admitted it that that's what they're trying to do is weaponize the the UAP technologies I got a little cat in here making some noise Yeah, I want to address that too about the werewolves and poultry guys That's the that's the go-to line For the people who want to totally debunk what us up was it was a UFO investigation It was primarily I mean senator Harry Reid the guy who got the money for it said it was a UFO investigation Robert Bigelow who got the contract and headed up bass he said it was a UFO investigation Jim Likatsky the man who co-designed the program and oversaw it He said it was column Keller her the guy who is the on the ground manager of the bass program here in Las Vegas He said it was you know jay Stratton We were about to hear from him soon I'm pretty sure he's gonna say the same thing But they were clever enough to follow the evidence. I mean they made a point to get approval from DIA going into it But they would we would monitor the health effects of UFOs on on private citizens And that's where all the poultry guys werewolf stuff came because from the beginning Whether people want to admit it or not UFO encounters have a side effect of people seeing Parodormal phenomena Explaining it doesn't make much sense. There's no investigator for any government agency who's happy to be there and see some Dino beaver or werewolf and take it home with them have the hitchhiker effect nobody wants to say that It sounds crazy, but they did say it because it happened and it happened Multiple times basically to everybody who went to the ranch and spent any time there at all And it would follow them home in the in the interview that we did for Kaleus I have a piece coming out In about a week about the paranormal aspect You know because they were able to study the health effects They also got into the psychological effects and and there was an assumption that maybe some of this weird Things that people were seeing around the ranch was a was designed. What was a either a subtle counter effect that was unexpected or it was a technology that somebody is using to scare the crap out of people And if it was a weapon system like that DIA wanted in so it was perfectly normal for them to follow the evidence where it led and where it led was amazing places I mean the things that happened on the ranch the investigators are one thing But they started going out into the UN to basin in this ever widening circle to interview witnesses And you know people would be willing to talk about seeing UFOs some most of them But they were very reluctant to get into the weirder stuff and finally if you pursue it long enough they'll admit You know Kenneth Ardell we've talked about him before the first guy the first guy to see the kickoff the modern Wave he didn't just see nine craft flying in the sky over Washington state He went home and all the same kind of stuff that's happened to the uh Osap personnel who visited the ranch was happening to him Poltergeist type stuff Doesn't mean it's actual ghosts or spirits. It's some entity that can that messes around with people's heads and he had it and uh I think some of the tic tac aviators had it and and it certainly has happened to most of the people who visited skinwalker ranch So anyway, I'm gonna be going into that but it's it's a benefit to try to figure this stuff out It's not just seeing UFOs in the sky It's uh the measuring the counter effects from people who get up too close I mean and to double down even though I hate doing it to double down on your point Just because it this for me this is so out there and I have this like gutterable resistance to it Man, I gotta tell you I took a report from a guy from a critical infrastructure facility Who saw a disc um the guy does not want to go public He's high kind of I guess ranking in his job, but gave me a full documented disclosure of what happened at one of his bases and it was a it was a disc that came down look like a star was wobbling He's walking to his car that this drops down right over this I'll say energy facility like a very critical part of the energy facility Had this golden hue almost felt sentient where we heard this before from like everybody from Dylan and so But you know, I have this gold wash It's a very dramatic thing that I'll talk about in detail at another time Hopefully we can get the person to come forward at some later date in his future when he's retired But here's the kicker. So he has this first time ever UFO encounter of a hard physical disc that comes over a sensitive installation critical infrastructure And I said is that everything and he's like well kind of What do you mean because I can't explain it. I don't want to talk about it. I'm like what do you mean That one night when that person went home they had What I can only call paranormal experiences one time only in their life that night very dramatic imagine like A lot of things moving all at one time right? So so that was an issue for for the individual who's like an engineer is saying to me I have this really defined thing that that happened then I have this other thing I just don't understand What it means, but it seemed to be connected and and George I hate taking those reports because you got it you got to take all you got to take all the information what they said And even they were uncomfortable with that so I can't deny there appears to be Some connection between the two but to bring you back to your original point as well All sap was a UFO program if people just read The books that dr. Lakatsky put out he did he shows you exactly what was in the contract what they were looking for One thing really stood out on x and also to me from his book Two of the things that he that dr. Lakatsky put and and and he said arranged so you can really see what the program is about was this one Determine what has been learned from crash debris evaluations and seek new ways to apply that information Two determine what has gone wrong in our attempts to fly Lone or captured craft now remember they're not talking about China. They're not talking about Russia. They're talking about UFOs so it's right there in print part of what they were doing um Two things one is on the topic of back to counterintelligence efforts for a moment Jim had said in both of these recent interviews You know the internet is like a place where it's covered in gasoline and You know, people come on to debunk it like arrow and it's like throwing a match into it You know, it's easy to do the the structure is there to debunk everything all you got to do is you know Light the match and I thought that was a kind of an interesting thing because it's happened to him now It's it's happening right now attempts to dismiss him because of skirless rumors or allegations that have no basis I also want to mention about nuclear so You share some things that I think have gone over people's heads You know one of the the all-sat project sub programs was what they called the northern tier of project Looking into those UFO encounters with American nuclear missile bases along the US Canadian border back in the 70s And I know in skin walkers at the Pentagon they had talked to Colonel Barry Hennessy the former head of AF OSI We said yeah, we've done some tests with personnel at those in other bases But these things were not ours and Jim had said yeah, those things happened a long time ago And we did do a project and a report and a paper for OSAP But there's been a more recent incident real recent involving one of our nuclear facilities I'm assuming it's weapons, but I don't know for sure if it's a missile A silos or a weapons lab or something like that But he said there was something pretty pretty amazing in a more recent times not the 70s He also got I was wondering if it might fit into the information you had shared about Texas and the recent events there I don't know I'm still trying to get more information on that again multiple independent sources corroborated, you know that would in a position to know We know that they that it happened, but I don't think it's the same as anything Dr. the Katsuki was talking about because he wasn't aware of that incident It's so fresh. I mean, it's so fresh what like month and a half two months ago now. So hopefully we learn more about it I don't know I know a lot of people would ask well, why is he allowed to say this stuff? You know, I think he probably I'm not I'm just guessing on this I think he was he's probably negotiated some of it DIA doesn't want to do it the public has been besieging that agency with requests for the reports Either they can't find them or aren't trying very hard or somebody burned them there I mean there are forms where it exists. We know that for sure outside of the DIA the adopter process I don't think most people understand how it works But you know it took 14 months for skin walkers at the Pentagon to get through the adopter Now part of the the the length of that was because covid was happening so people were working from home But at 14 months is a long time And they you know the process is any agency that's involved with the content of a book They get to weigh in on it and I know that they they xed out a lot of names and specifics and locations Force incidents that are reported in that book and they were not on they were not happy about a few other things And the same for the second book as well, which only took I think seven months You look at now. I know Jim was kind of ticked off when he realized that arrow Was somehow involved in looking at his book and and and and and approving it Uh, but of course they are the agency of record on UFO stuff right now I can't imagine why CIA allowed him to say something about we've got a craft somewhere But I suspect maybe he'd negotiated that all right I'm gonna say I want to say that we've got a craft I'm not saying where it is or when I saw it or what it could do or how we obtained it But I want to be able to say we got one and um and they said okay I think probably because by saying that which most people assume to be true anyway You're not endangering any national security and maybe it sends a message to our adversaries that uh, hey, we're we're working on this You know, they know of course they know we are Russian knows we are China knows we are Oh, you know, it's no secret to them. They have considerable resources to look into this stuff So I don't see how making that simple vague admission hurt national security And I suspect that Jim worked a long time to get that through the dops of process Yeah, I mean again, I go back to the fact that we are being allowed to know that reverse engineering of non-terrestrial non-human intelligence craft is real UFOs are real that is now being allowed from CIA DIA all the way odni everybody is basically saying We're gonna allow you to know UFOs are real So it doesn't surprise me that hit that part of his book was allowed to be told I'm sure he did negotiate to some degree to get that out But again, it's just a huge admission. It's an atom bomb of an admission It's it's an admission of the century in my eyes as far as UFO disclosure goes You know should be mainstream news if people understood who Dr. Katsky was But that's not the way the news works Another thing he said that I thought was so important They really eliminates this being another craft from China or Russia. He says the technology is very advanced And I go well, what does that mean to you like I understand those are your words What does it mean to you? And I said is it like sticks and stones for superconductors advance and he answered Absolutely, so he's talking about a technology that is from sticks and stones to superconductors Different in advancement of that craft that he was able to to to check out So I think that's important to to really drive in that um He is looking for a controlled disclosure. He was authorized to say we have a craft It is okay for us to know that at this point. I wonder what else it is gonna come out like could he testify Again, I'll just say this. I've put him in touch with congress directly by phone number again Because I'm sure there's a big part of him if they have the clearances to hear what he has to say He would be happy to be able to tell them under those authorities under those clearances So hopefully um in the future he can have like a backdoor or a closed door Briefing I would say his his view on that has changed quite a bit from when I first got to know him You know he was uh he was a keeper of secrets. That was his job Um, you know to quote Gandalf uh lower the rings keep it secret keep it safe. That's kind of what he was doing for us Um, you know, I think that he had a pretty dim view of congress back and then Back then when we first started talking right because uh he worried that if you tell congress You're telling our adversaries because it would leak somebody would spill the beans He's not wrong I think some of the hearings some of the witnesses have appeared at the hearings have kind of changed his mind about it And he could see some value in trying to share information with members of congress or staff Perhaps not a public hearing but a closed door briefing if as you said if they had the proper clearances to hear it Right, I mean we've all been curious Not just if you opposed the real we've that's been admitted to but do we have an exploitation program and he talks about being able to see a craft and more than that But being able to be around a craft That is not from earth not from here as long as a non-human intelligence made it and you got an he's got to know where he was when he Was with this craft that is something congress wants to know is where's the where are these exploitation programs So you figure he could tell them it's just a matter of clearance I really hope they get to that point because there's a lot of that's the big question Are we reverse engineering these craft remember his whole point of of of Of allseps was to weaponize the technology for our advantage So clearly there are so if he could tell them that would be a huge step forward Well, he was way ahead of his time when he says we need to weaponize it because that's a great title Wouldn't you say it is great Hey man talking about things that are coming out soon I do want to talk about J Stratton because his book will be coming on and I'm for one very curious I know even doctor Lakatsky is excited about his book coming out like what is he gonna say what is he gonna get away with you know talking about But also he's in that movie age of disclosure right? So we went and saw a damper invited us to go to to see that movie in Austin We got to see the premiere of it. Will it will it move the needle a lot of people are saying this is disclosure It's gonna Change everything and then other people are like oh, it's gonna not change anything I think it's in between I think it's it's really powerful that we have all these people Humman in in harmony about the core issue and it's on the screen the movie screen J Stratton will be in the movie and a bunch of other people we know I think it's important to listen to them people are so Excited for the movie which I think is really good But I think what's most important is the way it's absorbed by the public I do think it's gonna make a difference. I think it's really important I agree. I mean just the weight of all that testimony of these heavy hitters Lou Elizondo is there with J Stratton in the movie or the former CIA heads who You know in previous years may have just dismissed the whole thing and and discredited the idea that we have crash saucers But they when you hear all that testimony back to back including with witnesses who've seen these things for themselves It's pretty powerful. I think the you know, it doesn't have a crash saucer in it It doesn't have an alien body so there'll be people who are gonna gripe about it The same gripes that they put on X every single day of their lives But it moves the needle for me and I think that the best we can hope for is It moves the needle for people in the executive branch who have hidden these programs who know about them Who are looking for an off ramp maybe even the contractors would would be moved by this Yeah, people should see it. It's it's a it's a wady stuff Yeah, I think it's another kind of link to this whole thing we're calling disclosures this formal admission in a way You have all these people Within position to know that are formally on film they are you know putting their careers You know on the line and they're saying this is true this happened I don't see it as some big like siop I think we're being allowed to know that UFO phenomenon is real I think there's gonna be a cap to that and a limit to that and I think things like videos coming out or a little bit harder to deal with because those are like leaks This is an official Thing where these people come forward in this movie So I do think it's gonna make a difference. I do think it's important But I don't think it's like the one all and be all I think it's just a big uh Step forward and I think that's really important. Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thanks man Thanks for breaking down the Lecatsky interview anything else about your buddy Jim Lecatsky Want people to know because he's a good dude Just solid guy. I mean, he's careful He's ultra careful about what he says. That's the engineer brain in there and it's a big brain too He's worked hard on this stuff. He took it seriously He put his his career and his reputation on the line to take it Take it seriously and did some great work and if you can look at him watching those two episodes uh of Weaponized and think that he's making it all up or it's a counterintelligence operation 10 years after he retired You got to do some soul search it because I find it'd be very credible his work with uh jay Stratton with column Kelliger with Robert Bigelow Is solid and it it is a difference maker and you know people Want to complain that they have to read a book. Well, don't buy it You know, we're sharing as much as we can Lecatsky is is done these interviews and spilled what means he can If you don't want to buy a book don't but if you want to know more about it uh check it out Yeah, either way they're gonna have to put what he said in their pipe and smoke it maybe because it's been done sad now So all right, man, well, thanks so much Thank you. Talk to you soon