Tucker Puts Piers Morgan’s Views on Free Speech to the Ultimate Test

Whatever happened to Britain or the UK or England or whatever they're calling it, we can't even agree on what it's called, but England, the England that if you're over 50 you grew up learning about, the England that controlled the world, the England that ran the largest empire in human history. At the end of World War I Britain, which is an island in a pretty unhospitable climate, controlled literally a quarter of the Earth's surface and not controlled in the way the United States controls the rest of the world with an implied threat or with economic ties to trade, but actually controlled with administrators and people sitting at desks with eyeshades counting things like actually controlled a quarter of the Earth's surface. Way more than Rome, way more than the Mongols, way more than anybody ever or maybe in the future ever. Britain was the most powerful country in the history of the world and then 25 years later it was this kind of sad, soggy welfare state which is to some extent what it still is except maybe even a little bit worse. What happened? Well there are a couple levels in which to think about this. First is just geopolitical and I guess they spent a lot of money in these wars and the ruling class, I don't have the class of eaten 1910 was killed in the trenches or whatever. You can think of a lot of different ways to explain what happened to Britain. The fact remains however they won the two biggest wars in human history they won and yet they're still greatly diminished and to some extent humiliated. It's like what is that? So again the first can be described, the first explanation can be described in economic terms. Well the United States took over, the British Empire just moved west to its child, the US. They just transferred the power and a lot of the gold to this new country which had its systems and some of its customs. Okay but there's something kind of deeper actually. If that were the whole story then Britain would still be recognizably Britain, the English people would still be recognizably English. They would just be not in charge anymore. They would have less money and less power but the country would be by any conventional measurement thriving just not running the Bahamas and Hong Kong and Pakistan. But that's not what's happened actually. After winning the two biggest wars in human history Britain has shrunken not just physically but in some way that's hard to describe. Its culture has changed, some might say has been destroyed and it's become something completely different and what is that? And by the way why does it matter what it is? Well it matters because what's happened to Britain to England is also happening to many countries in the west. Certainly its heirs the Anglosphere and that specifically would be Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Canada, Ireland. It's happening to those countries but it's also happening to the rest of Western Europe all at the same time. A bunch of different profound never seen before phenomena are happening to all of those countries and again including ours here in the United States. So it's worth understanding what has happened to Britain. So maybe the best image that describes it is the one that we're about to show you and in case there's no context in the tape what you're watching is a woman being arrested outside of an abortion clinic and keep in mind as you watch this she's not being arrested for throwing a fire bomb, a petrol bomb through the window of this abortion clinic in the UK or even for obstructing access to this abortion clinic. No, she's being arrested and taken to jail for praying outside the abortion clinic. Watch this. Before I ask you any questions about what's going on today I have to caution you which is just your rights which is you do not have to say anything may harm your defence if you do not mention one question something that you later on in court and you can do so later give you your answer. What are you here for today? Physically I'm just standing here. Okay why here of all places I know you don't live here by. This is an abortion something. Okay that's why you're standing here by the protest. No. Are you praying? I might be praying in my head. So I'll ask you once more will you voluntarily come with us now to the police station to ask you some questions about today and for the days where there are allegations that you've broken public spaces protection order? If I've got a choice then no. Okay well then you're under arrest the guard's suspicion of failing to comply with public spaces protection order. So what is that? It's hard to argue that if your government is arresting people for praying that you're watching a political phenomenon because of course praying is not simply a nonviolent act it's not even a physical act it can't possibly at least in secular terms affect outcomes or harm anyone praying for people can never be a crime but it is a crime in Great Britain literally a crime and the woman you saw is not the only person who's been arrested for doing it. So clearly we're watching a spiritual phenomenon here I mean there's sort of no arguing it once you see things like that but what is that spiritual phenomenon and what are its effects on the people of this country and before we go farther we should just say that if you visit the the UK as it's now called or London it's capital and completely dominant city the first thing you'll notice is actually pretty nice. London is the nice parts of London are as nice or maybe even nicer than any city in the United States certainly nicer than any city in Canada or Australia much nicer actually it's a great city filled with lots of happy people but broadly speaking this country has changed really really dramatically and it's changed in ways that are recognizable and here's what you recognize the people of Great Britain are going through a series of crises and they're all internal drug use alcohol use their appearance has changed people are longer as well kept the streets the landscape is not tidy anymore it's got lots of litter and graffiti in some places and to technocrats these are not meaningful measures of anything who cares if you've got graffiti does that affect GDP well maybe maybe not but it's definitely a reflection of how people feel about themselves people with self-respect do not tolerate public displays of disorder or filth or graffiti or litter because they care about themselves and their family and they understand intuitively as every human being does that once you allow chaos and filth in your immediate environment you are diminished so you just don't allow that and no healthy society does but all through the west these are not just features they're defining features all western cities are filled with litter and graffiti and people who look like they didn't bother to get dressed this morning but are instead wearing their pajamas and Walmart it's not just in your town it's everywhere in what we refer to as the west the point that underlies all of this is a really obvious one that too few people say this is the behavior of a defeated people this is what it looks like when you lose this is what it looks like when you're on your way out to be replaced by somebody else this is what it looks like to be an american indian now one thing nobody in the united states ever says about the american indians except in the kind of pro forma white guilt way is these weren't just impressive people and no they didn't write the constitution before we did these were some of the most impressive people most self-reliant most dignified breed any account of early american settlers people who were pushing west who came into contact with indians and yes we're often scalped in forced street their own genitals and roasted over open fires i mean these were cruel people but even the people who were in danger of being murdered by them respected them because the indigenous americans had a great deal of self-respect they had what we call dignity and now hundreds of years later the opposite is true the poorest people in the united states are american indians why because the federal government hasn't given them enough the federal government is completely in charge of the indigenous economy in the united states and has been for over a hundred years and it hasn't worked american indians are still the poorest why because the iraqoi and the navajo weren't impressive no they were the most impressive again read the account of anyone who dealt with them even people who were dodging their arrows thought they were amazing people because they were and now they are by many measures the saddest people in the united states why is that some inherent genetic predisposition to patheticness they couldn't deal with modernity well they probably could they were defeated they were defeated and in some deep the deepest way they wound up destroying themselves and it's not unique to them that's the point and just to be completely clear all of this is observed with a great deal of sympathy not scorn no one's mocking the american indians everyone should feel bad about it for real again not in a silly white girl guilty way but in a real way these are amazing people greatly diminished and the reason it's worth remembering is the same thing is happening to the west so the beauty of thanksgiving is that it celebrates real food i mean at the core of the holiday is actual food not synthetic 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only measurement actually and this is true in the United States too lots of immigrants who have a lot less money than the native population seem a lot more balanced and happy both because this is a huge upgrade for them just in terms of like annual income and standard of living but it's more than that they're not defeated they don't hate themselves and if you have traditional nationalist opinions in the United States I can confirm this personally you're never going to be stopped on the street and screamed at by some Guatemalan is like you are racist for having your views on immigration no they'll probably agree with you actually the only people who ever get mad at you or the people who already hate themselves and that's always famously some private equity wife or somebody who should be happy about how things are going because they're in the portion of the population that's benefiting from it but they're not happy they're angry what is that that exact same thing is going on in this country exact and it's part of a very recognizable syndrome and it's the most destructive of all history is just filled with examples of people who get invaded and clubbed to death and have their women stolen from them and they're fine they're fine it's the people who feel defeated inside who no longer exist and that is happening to the west and it's measurable what other society hates its own national symbols it's only happening in the west only in great britain this is coming to be true in the united states it's already true in canada and australia what other country finds it embarrassing to fly their national flag what are you saying if that embarrasses you you don't hate the flag you hate yourself and it's obvious because people who have dignity self-respect to believe in their own civilization want to continue it how do you do that by talking about it a lot no by continuing through reproduction no one is preventing the west from reproducing and people if they come up with these conspiracy theories like oh they're doing it they're doing it no we're doing it to ourselves what else is abortion it's not empowering for women of course that's absurd anyone who believes that is an idiot abortion is the way to stop people from reproducing so it's birth control by the way of course so is convincing people that their dumb job is more important than having kids it's not it never will be any person who can get clarity for a second will recognize that it's only about stopping you from having more of you and is there anything that's a clearer crystal clear representation of how you feel about yourself and how you feel about having kids and by the way it's not just because they're selfish and they want to go on vacation and don't want to pay for children or they're worried about how much it might cost notice that none of these impoverished immigrants living on snap and housing subsidies they don't seem worried about it at all because they know it'll be fine by the way most of the time it will be fine they're having kids when much more affluent natives are not because they believe in themselves in their culture their civilization they'd like to see a continuous the most basic of all human desires so here in great britain which has about a 40 abortion rate 40 percent of all conceived children are killed who's doing that it's not the immigrants because they don't hate themselves they're not defeated they're ascendant and so they can see the future they they know that they may not live to experience it but they're still fully human and they know you plant the tree not because you can bask in its shade but because your grandchildren well this is the most obvious of all human instincts and the most basic but the native population in britain is not debating abortion because it's not even a debate here everyone agrees it's just an affirmative good of course to eliminate your own people absolutely and again no one's making them do this they've decided to do the themselves but now their most enthusiastic campaign is for state sponsored suicide they've already done this in canada it'll come to the united states what is that that's an entire people saying we should exit the stage our time is done it's over let's go someone else will take our place not the first time that's ever happened this is what defeated people do this is what happens when you break people inside and maybe it'll just reach its terminus maybe there's no way to stop it the great replacement theory yeah a theory okay no it's it's the realest thing there is and it's happening not because unseen hands are orchestrating it though they are but because the native peoples of all these countries are participating in it enthusiastically and then enforcing its rules against anyone who questions it so in great britain if you were to say wait what the hell is this this looks nothing like the country i grew up in guess who's going to arrest you your fellow britains the ones whose great 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Thank you so it's with these questions in mind that we decided to sit down with piers morgan piers morgan's something we known for a long time cable news host had a debate with him last year ran into him in an elevator in the middle east and decided to sit down and had a really spirited and interesting conversation with him in which I attacked his country with the fury of someone who secretly loves the country and hates what it's become and so we're back here in his hometown and decided to have this conversation and it follows in just a second but before it begins just want to be super clear about something piers morgan is clearly wedded has decided to remain wedded to the neoliberal version of the world where you're not allowed to say certain things and you have to repeat certain pieties and it's all pretty embarrassing obviously but in fairness piers morgan has single-handedly done more for free speech which is disappearing in great britain than any other britain he has done more for free speech than any other person in this entire country just want to say this out loud because it's absolutely true and he's done it the old-fashioned way by allowing other people onto his platform onto his show to debate people who have no other venue to say what they think and you may just you may disagree with 50 and agree with the other 50 it doesn't even matter that debate the real debate about issues that really matter that nobody else in this country is allowed to talk about are taking place at scale on piers morgan's show so if you watch this and you think piers morgan has no idea what side is up why is he defending the indefensible keep in mind that here and this is an authoritarian country where disagreement is no longer allowed you go to jail for it by the thousands people go to jail for it every year he alone is keeping it open so god bless piers morgan with that here's piers morgan piers thanks for doing this welcome taking time welcome to my city which i've been so mean to including in a conversation with you last winner in the middle east i'm attacking great britain and i just i just want to apologize and tell you the truth about how i feel which is i think that english culture and civilization is the highest level ever achieved by man in history i really believe that everything about it it's religion it's language it's literature we've american society has never produced literature i'm embarrassed to say like what the brits produced and so it was out of sadness and frustration and a sense of connection to your civilization that i went on the rant about how much i hate it but it was it was hate born of frustrated love and i'm just amazed you hear a life i don't think you get it well they're so passive now and everyone's like bisexual what are they going to do to me nothing but um but i just want to add and i know you love it you're a product of it what is it how would you describe english culture i would say it's not as bad as many americans think it is and it's not as good as many people hear when they launch in passion defenses of our country and our culture and the way things have gone we'd like to pretend it is it's kind of somewhere in the middle there's definitely been a significant change in the fabric of the country in the makeup of the country and the types of people who've come here the volume of people who've come here that's obviously had an effect on what this country is now the the debate to be had is whether this has been in totality a force for good or bad and i took your views your stride and views about it when we met in in saudi um and i i pushed back quite hard because i live here half of the year at least most of that time in london it's always been a very multicultural city there's no doubt about that and i don't walk the streets as tomy robertson there's not always been a multicultural i actually pulled the numbers it is not in my life very recent yeah it might be right after you're born in my lifetime i was born in the mid 60s but you know the way tomy tomy robertson who has a big following in america the way he talks about it is not something i recognize having said that as i've always said about him there are issues that he's raised which are perfectly legitimate the biggest one is population you know in the 50s with a population of just under 50 million people and a lot of the infrastructure like the national health service the nhs once lauded as the greatest health system in the world now has to deal with a population of nearly 70 million that is a dramatic increase in the volume of people in this country and the simple truth right now is our public services are creaking at the seams and in some cases like the nhs pretty well at breaking point and that is why there is so much agitation about the simultaneous ongoing issues with immigration both illegal with this ridiculous fast of these small boats popping up on the south coast on from a channel from france and all the time when the weather's good they just stream in hundreds sometimes thousands a week illegally into the country but also legal migration and how we've abjectly mishandled that since really the turn of a century you can chart it back to the tony blare years when they pretty well open the gates to everyone in eastern europe way too many people came in way too fast and then after that there's just been a complete lack of any form of control and we now have a situation where they've had to try and put the brakes on legal migration coming in because two years ago we had a net migration in this country of nearly a million people now it's not racist as some people tried to brand it to say that that is alarming a country like ours if you don't have an effective border if you have 50 60 000 people a year coming in as they are illegally on these boats and then you have a net migration of legal migrants coming in of nearly a million people the already crumbling infrastructure is going to come under obviously enormously higher pressure so it's been a series of governments left and right i have to say starting with the blare government with what they did with eastern europe and then coming forward to successive conservative governments and now the current labor government all of whom in my opinion have handled this so badly that inevitably we now have a lot of people in the country going what the hell is going on i wonder though i mean everything you said is so clearly true and it was tony blare really the lowest probably tied with boris but really one of the worst prime ministers leaders of any country ever but i wonder i often people say well it's about the nhcet national health service it's about the roads it's about you know nhcet is like a very new creation it's a post-war creation it was never going to work it's never worked anywhere the brits were so kind of pathetically proud of it but it was the whole thing it did work but for a time that was work for a time by the way if you if you walk out of here and you fall over and you break your leg you'll get treatment that's great but the health outcomes were never were never better than the united states didn't actually didn't actually work but whatever you could argue about but that's the cost of it but what's sad is that for your whole life you've been told that what is britain what is this project about it's about the national health service that's kind of aiming a little low like who cares about some bureaucratic structure what about england what about the culture like so in my mind as a pg woodhouse reader lifelong well so for strain duty courage patriotism rooted in your religious faith our lord the king a phrase that was common until recently all of that seems to be gone well we're still a very majority christian country right still 40 of the country are christians right that's a fact so when i hear america whatever that means i mean well it means get arrested for praying i said an abortion clinic that's not a christian country well okay that's a pagan there are there are nearly 50 of the country who identify as christian um the the more concerning thing for those who have faith is that nearly 40 percent now have no religious belief whatsoever right right then we have a lot of other religions there's a slight amplification of for example the number of muslims in the country i agree there are nearly four million muslims in the country and that represents about six percent of the population but 43 or four percent of the population are still christian so i think i do think again that the over amplification of the islam problem as people put it or the you know the muslim problem has been massively overstayed well that's an op obviously yeah hate the muslims no i i don't know where that's coming from i don't like it i hate it in my high street alone in west london most of the businesses would have muslim employees there or people but also how is hate the muslims better than hate the christians or hate the jews it's not it's all the same and i heard you i've heard you say and this is the point i come from hatred is hatred is hatred i totally agree no matter who you're hating the moment you're in the hate then i think you're losing whatever argument is you're trying to have i totally agree and but moving off from hate and getting back to the world i live in which is fear and distrust and gut level loathing yeah it's the secular people who are the problem i've never had an argument with the muslim in with an actual muslim i'm from bungledish i'm a muslim i probably agree on a lot it's the secular self-hating whites that stand up from the table and leave when i'm eating with them here just saying and that's true in my country too but but leave that said i'm just sort of wonder and so i'm not hating on the muslims at all for bad muslims or bad everybody i just think a country is more than its bureaucratic systems and certainly more than nhs which i will never think is impressive sorry or your metric system which is i do think you're wrong about that maybe but you're not wrong about the state of it now i mean i'll give an example what wouldn't have happened in the 60s and 70s with nhs is what happened to my both my parents recently so my mother had a heart attack right and ended up being put on a trolley in an accident an emergency unit but out on the corridor with 30 other people on trolleys it was de kentzian this was like a third world country oh yeah and she got hardly any treatment at all while she was there now when she eventually got up and this is the apex of the nhs for me laid bare when she eventually got into the heart unit she got incredible treatment on the nhs didn't cost her anything she got fixed up and repaired turned out she had a block dietary and she was home in 48 hours and was great my father broke six ribs recently again the same story just waiting on trolleys and so on this is going on all the time i couldn't because it cannot deal with the volume we have the same problem in our country all the community hospitals are closing right and our emergency rooms are unusable because of illegal immigration i agree with you completely i'm just saying if you have a country whose main source of pride is it's like health care system i don't think it is i really because in the 50 years i've been coming here no matter what you say the like have you heard about our health care system it's like i thought you were about the greater glory of god and like subduing the world for civilization and the english language and our literature and history i certainly think we're about listen we'd certainly i i checked a few stats on the way here yeah oh my bad bitch you did so did i well this christmas give the gift of sleep with eight sleep everybody needs good rest for most of their days but few know how to actually get it eight sleeps pod five is the answer to that pod five is a smart mattress that automatically regulates your body temperature 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areas to bat above our population strength not so the brits in the middle east in dubai specifically or like one of the engines of the economy they're amazing people i'm actually one of them you're half so i agree you'll never get me to say the brits aren't unusual as a quality society funny enough i that does resonate with me we have lost a lot of the qualities i think collectively as a country which did make this country great and that's what i'm saying but i agree i agree with you about that because i do think that it's become a bad thing to be patriotic about our country there's a huge war about waving the union jack flag i never see that war raging in the same way in america right there's a lot of prime i'm not giving an example but it will that's why that's why i'm doing this interview yeah it may well yeah it was very interesting when i did celebrity apprentice this is where i met donald trump and this was back in you know 2008 and the the organization that i raised money for because it's a charitable thing you have to have a charity was the intrepid fallen heroes fund and they had a base down in san antonio so i went down there and i remember distinctly coming off the plane and seeing a load of people with flags and i couldn't work out what was happening i knew it wasn't for me american flags and it turned out that they were there greeting every single service man and woman who came off the planes from whichever war zone they come from because it was a big center there a lot of military service people living in san antonio but a lot of them also been treated for serious injuries and so on and they were just applauding and thanking them for their service as they came off these planes you'd never see that anywhere in the uk that just doesn't exist as a concept to do that i was very struck by that and you know i do think america generally is a lot more proudly patriotic than we've become we've become almost ashamed of being british in a way that i don't like i think we should be prouder of ourselves and prouder of what we've achieved and prouder of what we could be but one of the reasons why people don't feel that pride i think is because we've had a succession of what i would say are pretty hopeless politicians well maybe you have this into a place where people don't like it i get it but maybe you got those politicians because the people hate themselves i don't think we hate ourselves we're just really i don't know i think we've had a shockingly mediocre tier of politicians but i mean the sort of increase in british masochism which has famously been part of your sexual retinue for centuries came me more of no that's just true as you well know i don't know i'm british Americans love a bit of spaincy totally no not in the boarding school way but anyway whatever the point is that has increased dramatically since the second world war and i have done a couple segments on the second world war that have been very kind of shallow and not even really talking about the details or whatever you're a holocaust obviously i'm not whatever that means hitler killed a ton of jews that's terrible so that's been a diversion really that specific conversation from a much more important broader conversation about what that word did to the west and i i think it's totally objectively fair to say the west by specifically by which i mean your country which is really the seat of the west has been in decline since the war so like what is that do you know i mean i wouldn't say it's been in decline since the war it was a lot of recovery after the war it was a devastating war i mean you know one of the most extraordinary aspects of that war is that winston churchill who many people here to this day believe you know pretty well single-handedly rallied the morale of the people here to help us defeat the nazis albeit with obviously america's help that he in the end at the end of the war he got thrown out of office because so many people came back to a really bad lifestyle in a lot of impoverishment a lot of you know homelessness and so on well maybe were there other reasons like that was why they took it out did germany attack you first was that what happened what do you mean did germany attack britain is that how you got into a war with germany germany attacked poland oh but not the uk no okay because that that does get a lot they wanted to you voluntarily joined the war yes okay right not defending hitler of course but it's just a fact that you weren't attacked so when you say that churchill saved britain well britain got into the war voluntarily well voluntarily one of our name well one of our neighboring european countries was attacked and it was quite it was quite clear that adult hitler of the nazis wanted to take over europe this was an existential threat to europe and therefore to the uk so you're arguing that he would have come for the uk 100 even though i think it's very nice your politicians and he and basically not one person who was saying that in 1939 40 no neville chamberlain wasn't because he totally misread what was going on winster churchill completely read correctly what was going on and came out of the wilderness to actually come and save us i think without i think you signed a treaty with poland that locked you into a course of action that destroyed your country i'm just you don't honestly think the nazis would have stopped at poland i i have no idea i'm just saying you do come on i'm look i i'm just going by what contemporaneous sources said i have no idea hitler invaded russia so obviously that's deranged and incredibly destructive so i don't know is the truth he was focused on communism there's no one doubts that this was not a communist country but i'm just saying britain voluntarily joined the war it was a war that you were not involved in and you got in but my question is why did it destroy britain i don't understand as the victor i didn't destroy britain well look outside look outside in the city of london hang on there's a tower bridge it's a tower of london magnificent well it changed it changed london why do you look at this and see a wrecked country i don't well i don't see an english country so we're in the city of london now what do you mean that what do you mean by that it's not well people whose ancestors build stonehenge are not here anymore so the city of london is 36 white and that's happened in the last i don't know 40 years but but england is about 70 percent white england okay well it was it was it was 99 percent 1945 okay so we've evolved but you're on the way to becoming the minority in the country so no one wants to say that i think you can get arrested for saying that here well it's not white supremacy this is the indigenous population of the country it's a statistical fact that i think by 2100 uh we will be a minority white country 2063 as of today well i've read a bit later but these are dynamic numbers so they change and here's my question for you so what well um let me refer to the beginning of our conversation when you said that the people who live in a country define the character of that country and then you said yes all the things for which we were famous and in which we had pride like our stoicism our concern for others our tidiness the cleanest country in the world now it's pretty filthy all those things change when you get new people moving there you said that i mean you're the race it's not me so i'm just using i'm using the parameters that you said and i'm saying i did not say that that was down to no you didn't say you didn't white people coming to the country well that's who live here i don't believe that no but that's what you said you said i said there was creaking pressure on public services no no no but she also maybe foolishly admitted the truth you can get arrested for this i know the six are high but you said that when the people who live in a country change so does the culture which is like the most obvious it's like when it rains out it gets wet that's not a controversial observation but it's illegal here because it is true and my only point is not against i've already said i like the Bangladesh he's better than i like the liberal whites in your country a lot more they've never yelled at me i'm not attacking them i'm just saying the things that made britain britain england england is there still in england i have no idea um those are going away because there are different people living here and if you think that those are good things in the same way that the swedes or the chinese or the people in barundi and chad they like like their culture that it's their ancestors culture and now it's gone and like why can't we say that's bad well because you may think it's bad i have good i love living in a very multicultural but you're rich i mean you go to the white parts of london they're exactly the same as they were when i was a child i've been coming here for 50 years they're exactly 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I am not now nor have I ever been and let me just restate I think I have a lot more in common with the Pakistani cab driver than I do with the average guardian staffer who's white I just want to be clear you're inferring that the more I'm not inferring anything you're referring to more multicultural that Britain has become in terms of other ethnicities coming to live here then the worst it's got and I'm saying those two things in my view are not automatically linked and there are lots of white people who behave very badly and misconduct well I've met them and they yell at me so yes I just for the fifth time I have more in common with the sincerely religious Pakistani cab driver than I do with anyone who works at the times of London that is just a fact I don't like those people I don't want to eat with them and they're white so all true all I'm saying is the qualities that made Britain the greatest country in the world were linked directly to the people who live here and so of course by definition multicultural means less of some cultures because there's dilution of the dominant culture and you've it considered there are lots of people who are non-white who've been born and raised in this country who've contributed brilliantly I would never deny that success of this country who've risen to the top positions in top industries whether it's music or I'm not attacking the non-whites I don't because you're worried about getting arrested I get it and by the way I'm worried about being arrested when they rush in the door with no guns little babies with their sticks they might as I know you're here probably I'm not worried about I got hassled to your airport again and but yeah always well for being Tucker Carlson you know we don't know it's just it's the AI I guess but no wait I love that what happened to you you know I was like go see the attendant and by the way the attendant was some Pakistani woman who's like oh we're so glad you're here which I don't think I would have gotten from the liberal white lady so again once again I'm not attacking anyone on the basis of their race I mean you're saying that our culture has changed because we've had other cultures come here well I'm your position well it's not my position it's a fact and you just said it I think I think so it's better so what about British culture didn't you like and has been improved by new cultures oh in not well tell me what didn't you like before what are you glad is gone from the Britain you grew up in let me tell you if you came to London in the 50s and 60s the food was crap absolute what was that way in the 80s when I was right now we have some of the best gas so amazing some of the most expensive too I wonder is everyone eating there I can I can $1,000 for dinner let's you're a wealthy man leading a very wealthy lifestyle holy shit all the food here is coming me to brick Lane coming me to Brixton I'll give you a proper I love it you want to have a go to the tough parts of town eat street food but I can give you a great what are you really saying the food I'll tell you to the top of the market right you come with me if you want to risk death walking up to Port O'Ballot market I'll take you and give you some street food and you'll spend a bit of a ballot market and by the way just the point of fact I'm quite popular there I will say that I feel no fear at all in nothing hill yeah I will eat oh man I thought they they're so liberal don't don't even get me going even I get a hard time up there I think they secretly love me because they know that they've been naughty but whatever my theories aside here's my point what about British culture apart from the boiled menu which was repulsive do you think but the the national character let me say it again tidiness self-restraint yeah selflessness yeah courage fairness yeah the British system was imported around the world in the basis of one concept fairness I think that comes from the Magna Carta I think a lot of this become a fairer society it's become completely unfair you put fucking Julian Assange in prison for years without charges no we is the sea I told you to we have had a massive rising issue with the suppression of free speech what which is a fairness issue but that has nothing to do with ethnicity or really so what does it have to do with do you think it has to do with a very ridiculously draconian view of what free speech but where does that come from you've never had that governments no but of course but those are attitudes that grow from the population or else you would have a revolution this is the country that invented the population does not want this suppression of free speech they may not but they keep voting for the fascists every time whether it's Boris whether it's Boris or whether it's Boris no he's a buffoon it doesn't mean he's not an authoritarian he wants it's funny you mentioned the word buffoon so I want to I mean that's actually a matter no I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you I know because I want I want to interview him for GQ and I said Boris this is 2008-09 I said Boris I've always thought that lurking beneath the buffoon exterior lies a sharp calculating political mind that wants to be prime minister he wasn't even a sort of politician at the time he looked at me and he said you must consider the the possibility that lurking beneath the buffoon exterior is an actual buffoon true so he was right no he was I can't say we weren't warned but the point is look it's not is not a fascist so Boris Johnson he's an authoritarian but it diminishes the word fascist when you say that about people I get annoyed well what is fascism actually I mean we're we meaning the collective west meaning the allies meaning Roosevelt and Churchill meaning America and its cousins in the UK were fighting against an authoritarian system it wasn't just about race hate it was about full control of a population we're arguing against that and fighting against of course we were also funding it when we sent money to Stalin but whatever it was never fully consistent but that's what we tell ourselves and now that's what you have there were three times as many people arrested in the UK last year for speech crimes as were arrested in Putin's Russia and you have half the population so this is much more authoritarian than Putin's Russia oh it's not what how was it how was it not that's ridiculous if you have three times as many arrests for speech crimes okay it's more authoritarian I've not seen that stat if that is true it's because we have been so appalling in protecting free speech well you're appalling I'm not no debate there but I'm just saying as a map like how do you define authoritarian the idea that we are living here in a more authoritarian state than Russia if you're no not come on those are the numbers you don't believe that look I believe in science peers I believe in science England is more authoritarian the Russian I think you're more likely to be arrested for a speech crime in Great Britain indeed three times as likely what would happen if you criticize three times if you go on if you went on the airways here tonight I'm an American they're not going to mess with me okay no no if you went on the airways here tonight and you start abusing and hammering and mocking and criticizing our prime minister which by the way many people are doing I'll give you I'll give you a no no everything yeah yeah if you did that what would happen to you nothing exactly but what if I said I thought gay sex was disgusting it should be illegal and if you would hold on hold on that's nothing I'm trying minister how about I'm opposed to that I have to finish my question and if you went to Moscow and you went on the airways and you did that about Putin what would have been trouble right so there's a difference no because this is no no that's a straight forward that's a straight forward at their flawed democracy no this is global homo that is no no this is global homo it is this global homo this is what you mean I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you this is a concept that you need to understand this is yes I do yes you do this is the authoritarianism of the present and future and it's not it's the feline passive aggressive female version that doesn't tell you what it is they don't march into your town in jack boots and put a rifle against your face and tell you about Russia for sure it's much more straightforward it's just they kill you it's a slide you fall off a building suddenly oh you kill tons of people you kill tons of people I don't disagree oh yeah you do a lot yeah right so let's let's stop with the killing people because you kill tons of people but as you well know because you know the people who do it and I do too no I'm saying there's something more offensive about an authoritarianism that will not admit what it is so instead people are arrested here and thrown into jail and I've I've been to bell marsh prison it's awful I've been there it's awful but you walk in and there are all these signs about trans acceptance week it is fascism wrapped in the human rights campaign rainbow logo it's not any different from what we were fighting against well I'm arresting you for saying something I certainly believe this has been in my big criticism of the woke left I've wrote this book called woke is dead which is more an aspiration than a reality at the moment but the the point I was making was that the woke left became in the end like the very fascist they profess to hate most they literally behave like fascists anyone that deviated from their worldview I don't want you to devalue the term no no I'm not I'm explaining the hypocrisy of the left no I get it I which I think we could probably agree with is if you start to behave like the very people you claim you hate most you are a brazen hypocritical it's not just the left it's the right well it's right it's done unfortunately I agree some of the right thing as well I agree um hypocrisy is hypocrisy isn't it wherever you see it um and I do think that this the way I'll be categorized what's happened here is successive governments right and left have handed to a weird sentiment driven by very vocal but small numbers of people that we have to start getting into the suppressing free speech business and it's been a catastrophic failure which has diminished this country but why we're beginning to see is the coming out of that and I'll give an example when Graham Linnahan the comedian yeah the father Ted genius right and he decided to take on this whole trans issue head on and a bit like jk rolling he got shamed vilified cancelled he lost everything lost his family he lost his jobs he lost everything we kept unemployed completely cancelled and he he did some jokes on x back in April and they were yeah they were just like harmless right he talked about a trans woman coming into a into a woman's space harmless to you as a non-trans person but genocidal to the trans community which again is ridiculous so he he did a joke about a trans woman coming into a woman's space and they said what is your kick him in the balls right it was a joke it was any of a knuckle joke if you're oversensitive you go most people just laughed and took it for what it was some kind of joke that wouldn't even be considered remotely controversial 10 years ago when he arrived at Heathrow airport several months later he was arrested by five armed police officers and taken off to the cells and I just found that utterly shocking so I'm not pretending there's not been a massive problem about free speech but what was interesting and encouraging was the public backlash hence my book title woke is dead the public backlash was so ferocious that within a week the police said we're not going to prosecute linen and actually they said further we're never going to prosecute anyone for this kind of thing again this kind of that was a bug when I went we're finally getting a bit of sound so the trans thing is absurd it's so absurd that like it's easy for people to say that's absurd what's actually happening here is I think you know is a society is being changed by its leaders against the will of the population the population hates it they've always hated it no population wants radical demographic change none and so it's been so profound since 1997 under tony blair that you're not allowed to note that your country is being taken from you okay so you can criticize trainees all you want you cannot criticize israel as you know you're not allowed to criticize demographic change and you can't criticize the rest of the fabled lgbt community and if you don't believe me listen to this story which is like it's unbelievable this is from the Daily Mail which is like kind of a ridiculous publication but I love the Daily Mail I do I do there's a lot about it I like but I mean that's like absurd but anyway Elizabeth Hini from TranMirror have you read about this she's a mother of four I think she's a nurse and she gets beaten up by her boyfriend he beats her up she goes to the hospital and she texts someone a buddy of hers a friend of hers a girlfriend of hers and describes the man who beat her up and sent her to the hospital as a quote faggot the faggot and she's arrested and convicted of a hate crime the guy who beat her up is not arrested or convicted and then she goes through this whole kabuki which is now required where she prostrates herself before the judge I'm sorry it was not a homophobic rant by the way you're allowed to be homophobic if you want in a free country you can have any view you want but no because she used the word faggot she's arrested and the guy who punch her in the face was not that story tells you everything well I don't know that story if it's exactly Daily Mail baby okay pictures of her and everything I'm just saying I need to look into it but if that is how you've told it obviously it's ridiculous would you say the word faggot on camera why you don't want to get arrested do you it doesn't want to be arrested I don't know because it's so harmful to people is it like gay bashing what's wrong with that actually my whole issue with the whole trans debate for example is you don't need to slide into actually saying druggery stuff about trans people to make the point that women's rights should be protected you don't need to well I agree so it's a what I don't believe it's a magic word I don't believe it needlessly smitten a sneer I'm not smirking anybody I just think but what would you use that word faggot yeah I just did but would you faggot faggot okay but but why and I'm using it because you're not allowed to because you're allowed to go ahead I don't want to say I love gay people faggot I'm allowed to I just choose not to this chick just got arrested for it and convicted so that doesn't have a chilling effect on your ability there are people watching this who will be offended by the use of the word I'm sure he will I'm not anti-gay I never have been I can use any freaking word I want anybody use the word chick okay what a day you're being so sexy comparing women to chicks how about this let my life the way that I actually live and treat people be the testament to my heart that's how I feel right and if I've mistreated someone I don't think I don't believe I don't you correct me if I'm wrong I don't believe you would call a gay person a faggot to their face not in a mean way by the way the only people I ever hear use the word faggot or gay ever just like the only people you ever hear they use the n-word or black right period right so if you spend any time around gays and I have spent a lot of time around gays who well of course I work in television I mean how far staff was gay they're great people and they're the only ones who ever said faggot you he's a faggot I'm like I have no need to say the word actually it's kind of an ugly word to be totally out of the argument they use which is well they don't use it they use the word constantly I've worked with that my whole life well I read a column for example about the use of but I'm not allowed to use it but you are I don't play those games dude well I'm gonna make a point I wrote a I wrote a column for the mail actually about the use of the n-word and the Washington Post had a huge report on this and said that every day on Twitter as it was then the n-word was used half a million times but almost exclusively by young African-American men so it's cool well they they would argue and understood the argument yeah it's there they've reclaimed that word I don't believe in universal rights either I think certain standards would apply to certain people based on their blood and but don't apply to everybody what do you mean I mean that's what you're saying dude no you know the standards have to be absolute they're not standard I was about to make my argument sorry you're getting me so wound up no no I actually made the point in the column that I don't think that works I don't think you reclaim it what you actually do is you empower genuine racists to say what are they using that word I'm gonna use it and so I felt it was an entirely self-defeating reclamation of that offensive word I would say the same to gay people if you constantly use the f-word uh in your own what's the f-word you know what we've just been saying if you want to keep saying it you keep saying it I'm not gonna keep it worse than fuck isn't it uh to a gay person from a straight person yes from a straight person but not from the gay person that's my point I don't so I thought we understand the reclamation argument that they put up that if they reclamation that they're reclaiming the word and they're disempowering it it's fine I don't care I think that's kind of amusing actually I just don't think it works I think the more these words get used then the more but is it really about words I guess that's kind of I think it empowers people who are genuinely racist or homophobic to then use those words okay they're genuinely racist I don't care why don't you pick up the trash okay that's kind of how I feel and stop letting people from countries where they can't speak English come to your country by the millions like don't the material things matter don't the actual things matter your father lying on a cot in a public hospital I do think that people when they come to a country should try and learn the language of course but no but what I'm not again I'm not attacking anybody I'm just saying the whole debate about what words are allowed and by whom is first of all insane because again standards mean nothing unless they apply to everyone because we believe in human rights not group rights or ethnic rights we're against that because we're against the Nazis right so there's that but it's also a distraction from what actually matters if your dad is spending hours I'm sure he was he was a britney spent his whole life here paying taxes and that's what he gets it's like we should be having to get acceptable but it is acceptable that's the problem instead we're arresting that girl for saying faggot well the two things or as we say here the f word yeah I don't like is that I don't know that story I look into it but I do if that is like a faggot user to you she looks too nice come on I behave yourself no I can't I know you can't they're making me want to say that because it's so outrageous that you would arrest someone for a word I agree and like we actually have to put ourselves at risk to stop I agree yeah I agree with you well then help me now let's let's do let's let's have a moment of self-liberation I think you're beyond the hold my hand hold my hand we're gonna say faggot together you ready no we're not do you say gay and retard do you say gay and retard I say gay I wouldn't use the r word I wouldn't I personally wouldn't are you my choice by the way I think it should be legal to abort a downsing from baby I am exercising my free speech right not to use that word I totally agree I actually don't use the n word ever right because I think it's ugly I don't like it by your own I don't I kind of agree I'm not even I'm mostly making fun to make a point I actually think that we should not kill people because they have Down syndrome I think they're beautiful people and I think when you get to heaven it'll probably fill people with Down syndrome because they are pure in spirit and I'm not joking even a tiny bit I really believe that but people who think it's okay to genocide everyone with Down syndrome through that alpha-fita protein test are lecturing me because I'm using the word retard it's like maybe we're missing the real argument that's all I'm saying does that make sense it does although I'm pro a woman's right to choose what to do with her body including and very mind-abording someone because he's retarded well in this country to be clear abortion is a very settled issue George Galloway doesn't believe well no but honestly it's not a contentious issue in America I know in America it's a pharotristic contentious issue it is simply not one in this country maybe that's part of the problem I don't think it's a problem at all who's having the abortions here well a lot of people have abortions here right it's pretty overwhelmingly though people whose grandparents lived here have you ever noticed that whose people who what it's the native population having the abortions it's not immigrants not having a ton of abortions and if you look at the number I don't know I don't know the demographic but that's true everywhere and I just a deeper issue so like what is the loss of the will to live why if you're not having you're a huge exception to this I know you've procreated as if I god bless us both but a lot of native born Brits do not have many children if any it's also true in the United States it's especially true in Canada I think this is becoming a massive issue and Elon Musk has been right about this yes the biggest problem is not as we all assumed overpopulation in the world but underpopulation because a lot of people now especially as the changing way society has gone with many more women working and so on that the number of children that are being born actually in places like the UK and the US is reducing quite markedly projected for the next 50 years and you're seeing in some countries in Asia for example is getting catastrophically low very fast and this is going to be a massive South Korea yeah it's going to be here there will be no South Koreans in your years only be North Koreans what does that tell you well it's not a good not a good moment no but where's that I I totally agree with you and with Elon and again I feel like we've all done our part to reverse that trend but I feel like we spend no time asking why is this well don't you think it's as simple in most cases as the changing work practice if you went to 1950s that's part of it yeah 1950s in the UK most women didn't work now when women go out to work a lot more they probably don't have the time to have three four five children there's no doubt I'm sure they can't afford it child care is very expensive in the United States it's more expensive than I think any other expense but um for young people with children of course you're right but there's also something a little bit deeper than that it's like it used to be just axiomatic that reproducing was not just your duty but your greatest joy that was the way you create the next generation continue your civilization and that has died since the Second World War and not just in the I think it's in the world but yeah so but that is like a profound what is in argument actually I mean look like I said the population here has gone from 50 million to 70 million since the 50s the the really worrying graph is what happens in the next 50 years but that growth in population has been almost exclusively from immigration and true in the United States and Canada is just like a completely different country nothing like that has ever happened in the history of the world why is this happening well what in terms of people traveling around no in terms of people deciding not to pass on their genes committing mass suicide because that's what that is well yeah our families lived in this village for 2000s the beginning of recorded history in this country unlike mine you have a native population just because no no you're the Cherokee of this island okay I don't give you a history lesson but 100 years ago you know we everyone traveled by horse and car there was no aeroplane no you couldn't leave the country you couldn't go to other places but rather like tribes 2000 years ago who used to literally just sit in their little area of wherever it may be eventually they ventured out and so evolution I'm for that I'm not it would never argue against that but once I flew here actually yeah right of course right so once you're able to do that obviously people are going to go exploring they're going to want to try and live in other places the question then becomes how enriching or damaging or both and in what levels is an influx of people from other ethnicities other cultures other countries I would say on balance London in particular has been almost a template actually for tolerance and cohesion and multiculturalism at its best the stabbing so you're talking about well let's talk about the stabbing the murder rate in London do you know what it is compared to any major city in America probably much lower I would think it's way lower testosterone level here I mean you can feel it too yeah that's true every time oh I'm aware that's true but look I'm not you have the worst murder rates well I know and by the way we always have which is interesting yeah there are a lot of factors for that and it's one of the saddest things in my country would never defend the violent the murder rate in London for example I checked before I came and saw you because I thought you think London's a better city than it was 40 years ago 50 years ago well statistically the murder rate is actually been plummeting in London do you know what I'm good I tell you the problem in London what we really need in London wait do you think it's a better city than it was 40 years ago for real yeah you think Siddique Khan is better than what you had before I think Siddique Khan is somebody who's won two more terms after his first because actually he's not done as bad a job as people say oh that's the new no has he done as well no no is he done as good a job as as he would like you to believe but certainly in things like tackling murder I give him credit and tackling things like the clean air where some of the burrows here were the most polluted you have no factories you don't make anything how all you do is banking how could there be dirty air what are you even talking about there's no manufacturing you lost automotive you lost aerospace you lost you lost everything steel it's clean air because people are idle they're delivering food to people working banks there is more there is more there is more traffic now in London than there was even four years ago I'm sure right so my tourism so my borough kenton and chelsea for example one in 12 people there was a big study on this a few years ago one in 12 people were dying from pollution related illness right I had a lot of issues which I thought were allergy issues eventually I was told right here's what you should do check your air quality app every morning when it's really high don't go out and shut the windows secondly get air purifying machines in your house for the rooms you use I did both guess what I've had no problem since and I didn't have any allergies well that's amazing and all it costs was a total destruction of your economy so well why do you think there was polluted before because people were burning economy has not been destroyed we're still one of the biggest economies in the world what is the economy here what's it based on what do you mean like what's the British economy I say I look at the economy of I don't know whales in 1900 and it's like it's coal they mine's they did coal people burn it that's what their economy is look at the economy of Sheffield or Birmingham 100 years ago of course it was steel making what's the economy there's a lot of manufacturing in the UK a lot of money as a percentage your manufacturing could be a lot less a lot less it's almost non-existent right so we still have one of the biggest economies in the world now but what is that economy based on a lot of things okay what's the main one well I've just said there's a lot of manufacturing that's the main one well there's a lot of technology stuff going on there's a lot of scientific stuff going on it's a lot of all sorts of things you haven't you haven't mentioned the biggest one by far well go on just lending money to people it's banking banking yeah okay that's number we're in the city of London right now how many things are being made in the city of London other than debt it's one of the financial hubs of the world we're right in the city here I know we're sitting in the city of London right now run by city con right um but again it's not as bad as people think but hold on is that really an economy if your economy is real estate that's London's other big economic centre is buying and selling and leasing pieces of property again and again to different people nothing's being created but that's not true that's not true we are creating things a lot of things like what there's a lot of money barata okay yeah there's a lot of of of course there's a lot of money because people from around the world stash their money here because it's a system based on there is a lot of manufacturing not as much as there was 80 years how much is in London man your biggest city the dominant percentages so we have to check pretty much unless you're talking about like burritos being manufactured or whatever I don't think there's really any the bigger problem for us is not what economy we're doing it's how we manage the economy so it doesn't matter where the money comes from no it does but successive governments have dragged us to a place where we have almost zero growth without growth you can't have a successful thriving country that's not true have you been to japan it's like the most successful thriving country in the world it has had no growth for a long not not real growth and we've gotten these lectures from the bankers for like 30 years japan is dying ever go to japan you get their four-year-old girls in the subway alone there's not one speck of litter and all of tokyo and it's one of the biggest cities in the world 12 million it's an incredible society it's the opposite of new york london baltimore detroit it's incredible i know you've been there and i know you've had these naughty forbidden thoughts like wait a second i thought we dropped a bomb on them how are they so great i like i like going to tokyo no growth i don't think do that with no growth i was assured by libertarian economics if we had no growth things would be bad well look at this i like going to japan but i wouldn't stop it for london right ferret you're you're english that's kind of the point right this is your homeland i genuinely do love london no i bet you do when i lived in america full-time i really missed a lot of the i hope so this is where your ancestors are from i get it that's the whole point that's the whole argument i'm making it matters where you're from the culture really matters it's not about growth it's not about any of this crap it's about do i am i in the same page with my neighbor do we have something in common do we have the same gut instincts about things those are the most important questions there are economic prosperity raises all the ships is that has that been true here it should be true is there more poverty in london now than there was 40 years there's more child poverty yes i know in fact the child poverty rate is worse here than it is in america a lot worse the general poverty so how is this so great even though they have brought a general poverty rate is actually uh lower than it is in america but child poverty specifically is there anything that matters other than child poverty i mean not really so i agree look i'm not slagging on i love your country i really thought a lot about this since i was so mean during that conversation i was just wounded because i feel like the destruction of britain has effects on our entire anglo-civilization do you actually look at and see a destroyed no this is beautiful i mean this is again this is the rich part of town i could take you to manchester birmingham glasgo cardiff i could take you to how they're doing they're all doing great much better than you think honestly talk you'll walk around you'll see the pubs pack the restaurants pack the theaters packed you'll see people having a great time go out on a friday night in london go go to go to the devonshire in soho the best arish pub in town four deep in the streets everyone having great time love that 20 000 pints of guineas well i could say that there are so many things about london i really like i've been here three days again visiting relatives who have genuinely even if you don't threaten walking around no not at all again what's who's gonna do anything pakistanis are all super nice to me and the whites are all kind of craving and sad no you're totally safe here man it's not that at all it's just that it's dirty it's what it's dirty come on american cities aren't any cleaner but they're dirtier they're dirtier and it's one of the great tragedies and i can't get any one to care i agree nobody cares i agree so that to me if i went to your bedroom right now i'm sorry i'm not going i'm not going especially after the whole faggot thing it's like i'm on my way i got it i got it i got it and you said you were so liberal but um but if i went to your house unannounced i bet i would find it tidy and clean yeah and i bet i would find that just because you have a housekeeper i don't even know if you do but because you care because you have self-respect right it's why you shave and i agree with that part i think the self-respect part i totally agree with you we've lost that we've lost the i think the British would legendary for our politeness our manners yes that has gone we've really that's everything but i totally agree with you so when you talk about the cultural stuff that i really regret that it's gone out of fashion if you like it is things like that it's things like you know a British person used to speak well and open doors for women and things like that now that's frowned upon right they're kind of screaming radical feminists have made it almost a taboo thing young men in particular do not know how to behave when i'm out with them i notice they don't stand up when women walk into a room or to a table they don't open doors for themselves because they've been conditioned to think this might be toxic masculinity and all this bullshit that kind of stuff really worries me do you ever wonder where it comes from um because i know the answer but i'm gonna like well you're gonna say it's multiculturalism but a lot of the other cultures that have come here actually have far more politeness i agree in there i agree completely so that's the yeah that's exactly my point yeah is that the cost is to the invaded you're being invaded you already said they're boats showing up uninvited that's called an invasion it's happened a lot through history and it's the people who are conquered who are vanquished who suffer the immigrants all seem kind of happy it's better than Bangalore you know or wherever we don't feel conquered and well you but you are though i mean if people are showing up in boats in your country no i don't know what to do about them well how about sing them what you really think to put it in to put it in perspective lord nelson would put up with it perspective in the last five years we've had about 200 000 people come over our southern border in the last five years in america until donald trump got a grip of it you have apparently 10 million come over the southern border oh more right so i'm afraid there is no comparison like why we have a little problem you had a gigantic let me add an amen as we say in the black church that i totally agree and that's why britain is so interesting because for two reasons one the people who are being invaded and replaced are the native population they're the iroquois of the british house they've been here forever their ancestors bones were at stonehenge there's no debate about that though they pretend otherwise but that's just a fact so eliminating indigenous populations is like kind of a sin i thought but it's happening here in irland and in scotland and in wales a b hang on they're not being eliminated of course they are look at the birth rates they're not what are their birth rates that's not an elimination of course it is over time it is that is that is people taking a decision about their own lives not having enough children or as many as they used to have well a pro elimination a process that was not a limit they was forcing them no they were telling the white population of this country you can't have more than one child well that's kind of the point that i'm making but they're not the if well whatever they're doing i mean they're they're certainly incurring they're aggressively they're aggressively encouraging homosexuality use the f word and you go to jail no what what is that you can't you want to know who's in charge you can't you criticize you can't use the word fact what no one's aggressively encouraging for using a naughty word about gays dude they're not encouraging it what do you think that is what's wrong with homosexuality well if you encourage it and the rate goes up people have fewer kids i don't know you did you do biology well no just to be clear the rate gay people don't have kids that's the point i'm making if all of a sudden you have more people being gay which you do a lot no you don't people don't pretend to be gay do you have the internet i don't know i'm not saying they're pretending i'm saying well they've got way more gay you're gay right well you know we used to say that but i don't think so well i used to think that but all of a sudden you're having lots of people put in the trans that's a different issue oh it's totally different it's not part of the continuum it's not like gender isn't real i can pretend but if you're gay you're gay well you know we were told that and i believed a lot of things that you don't believe that well it's it's demonstratively not true because science tells us it's not true people are making it up i don't think they're making it up at all so what's your point i think that you can be moved in that direction through propaganda and pornography oh come off it tucker well then then then how do you explain is there anything that would make you could i make you gay how hard do you want to try not hard i can tell you that's a spirit pierce there's a limit even an open-minded man like you you kind of hate the game i make a little gay joke you know i'm not going to be gay oh no i'm not using a gay slur that's fine well first of all it the context matters as i've told you i mean that's like coffee table conversation between the gays i work with that fox faggot so if it's okay with them it's okay with me it's just it's sort of like great it's sort of like racism only the whites are upset about it people can be persuaded to be gay well then why don't you explain the two-fold or three-fold increase in self-identified homosexuals in the uh i can they used to be repressed used to be illegal miscommunication in the mid-60s you literally went to jail so all through hang on you literally were put in a prison cell if you were openly homosexual that was more here actually you guys did oscar wild we didn't but it was terrible i'm so shocking yeah it was terrible you you ruled the world um at the time and now you're a joke dependent on foreknown banks and you think that's because we're gay so it's like a great trade allowing gay people to be openly gay is why we rent a country mocking masculinity is the fastest way totally different to servitude totally Pakistani that's why i like the Pakistani you talk to a Pakistani cab driver and you're like why are you gay and they will start laughing because they've watched the video and they're like i'm not gay i'm a man what's it gonna do with me ask a single britain why are you getting a book well i'm not gay but it would be okay if i was and it's like there's no masculine self-respect at all you're sounding quite homophobic i'm not afraid of gays at all i'm just asking actually a sign immediately i should think they really exist by the sound of it well they exist but are they real is their sexuality genuinely are they sleeping with dudes yeah big time well and women are they attracted to members of the mostly the lesbian thing is way overblown actually there are a lot of lesbians how many i haven't counted i can love this conversation not recently this is so great you're gonna get so fucking arrested after this it's gonna be unbelievable that was arresting me okay that was arresting me but i'm just curious whether you think the gay let me let me let me actually are gay or whether you think they've been somehow turned for the third time i think it's completely sincere completely sincere what's the question not saying the problem with it i'm merely saying you get fewer children when more people are gay no you don't well actually you do people aren't gay just more people are you don't get hold on you don't get fewer well hold on okay was it like 30 of the population always like in roman times about 30 would you say i'm just saying no it was like this is the falling birth rates have nothing to do with if you have more if you have more gays do you have fewer children we don't have more gays we've got way more gays no no we have more people who are not afraid to say they're gay they're letting their freak flag fly they are actually gay tucker they just haven't been able to admit it so why isn't that the case like in asia what do you mean i mean i don't think there's no asian country and they're not all like putting gays in jail malaysia might be korea is not south korea why why is their self-described homosexuality rates so much lower than yours japan same because culturally it is not a thing so it's genetic you think it's genetic no it's cultural no no people become gay the last world cup how do we become gay let me give you a the world cup is coming the world talking about soccer i'm telling you why i'm talking about the gay thing i'm telling you why how they become gay why are you gay one in four countries in the last world cup actually uh outlaw being homosexual it's criminal offense do you think that's right i don't care we should care okay i really care you you've got people arrested for using the word faggot that's who i feel sorry for this chick from britain so do you so right so you feel very exercised about that she's in great britain she's not in some primitive theocracy are you not as exercised about people being arrested and putting a prison cell for their sexuality if they're gay why do you feel as angry about that because it's not my culture it's not my country it's not come on why i'm not for arresting any i'm for arresting very few people you think people should be arrested for their sexuality of course not why do you agree with me you're talk about okay i will not as of also a talk show host you're not going to get me off my path and my path leads to this question how do people become gay why they don't become gay what are they born gay yes how does that work they're born gay how they have a sexual attraction no i understand the manifestations the symptoms the symptoms the symptoms the symptoms of my symptoms of my they're born gay okay so that means it's you may not want to know that means that no i'm just asking how it works so there's a gay gene you said you worked with lots of gay people hold on hold on there's a gay gene do you have this conversation with actual gay people we a lot of them say i got molested that's why i'm gay in fact a really good friend of mine who's gay so i got molested that's why i get you think all gay people are gay because they got molested oh i don't think that but i am wondering i don't know the answer but i was i would say the absolute but what is the answer gay people are gay because they are actually attracted to members of their own sex no but again that's a manifest that's a natural thing you're not let's let's just do science for 30 seconds of course you're right that's the definition of gay i'm attracted to someone of my same of my same sex do i believe that they're attracted people from their own sex yes well obviously they have sex with them okay so that's what attraction what's the big deal why'd you care my question because the self reported incidents of it has risen so we were told 30 years ago and i have a good memory it's about 10 but the actual self because people will be mostly listen listen listen listen then but the self-reported rate was like 5 percent then it's 10 percent now it's like 30 so my question is were they all born that way 30 of a population is born homosexual as an evolutionary matter you tell me how that works how do you reproduce it's not 30 percent of the population in the United States in a lot of places it is 30 percent not 30 percent way higher here based on the vibe what is way higher is a number of people compared to 30 30 years ago is it genetic and where's the gene 30 years ago gay people were persecuting i know i've heard the story no they were commemorating stonewall the other day in my house you know i'm on board with all of this stuff yeah the candlelight vigil we always do it every year every february 9th we i arrest my kids in this kind of mock stonewall thing what do you do if one of your kids they say i just want to be free and then i unlock the hangouts what happens if one of what happens if one of your kids says they're gay i love my kids no matter what i love my kids no matter what they did you make some of my they're my children would you think someone to turn them into a gay person or would you accept that was a journalist so i actually wonder what the real answer is not the bullshit propaganda answer would you say to them i don't know that's why i'm asking you you say people are born gay what you would you don't want to answer because you don't have an answer because you know i don't know if you're my answer is correct that they're born that way they're born gay then is there a gene for it and you know there isn't so tell me a gene it's it it's the code that determines your physical and emotional characteristics you have blue eyes because you have a gene for blue right if someone is gay then there should be a gene that we can isolate say it's the gay gene and science has been looking for the gay gene for a long time and my question is where is it i'm waiting on my gay gene i ordered a gay gene and it hasn't right where's my gay gene doesn't mean like you might be yeah i'm waiting for my gay gene and if there isn't a gay gene then it's totally within boundaries not homophobia it's not hate i don't want to arrest people in Liberia or whatever the hell you're talking about i just want to know what is this and no one will answer the question and i don't know why it's weird right why can we have a non-emotional conversation with why are you gay as they say in Nigeria why are you gay and no one will answer it well in Nigeria is the criminal offense to be gay like i don't know i think there aren't gay people in Nigeria i haven't been there in a while of course there are gay people in Nigeria where does it come from but they can't admit they can't answer the question if they admit they're gay they get put in prison that can't be right right you're a guy oh wait you're putting someone in prison because he says he's gay of course i'm against that i mean please not because he says he's gay but because he's gay but pointing to an extreme third world do you guys don't bring Nigerians here do you there was a lot of Nigerians here what you import gay haters into your country i thought you were for the gays no i'm serious why would you import you're just telling me that the Nigerians are bad you said you basically hate them as you know there are lots of countries around the world with different laws to hear different but why would you import them if you love the gays why would you import people they're only because when they come here they have to abide by our laws that's how it works and your values so what are those values no actually you don't have to come here with our values oh you have to come here and abide by our laws and your laws include not using the word faggot that's against the law i just think why would you do that and just be offensive for the sake of i i totally agree with you i never use that word i'm just being honest i never use that word ever i think it's maybe the first time he uses it since the 80s but it's not a matter of custom it's a matter of law because this woman mother of four went up in prison for it so if that's going to be the law it's obviously like the most important it's so important to you that people not insult gays in any way you can insult straight you can insult gays as much as you like well no you can't get arrested you're gonna jail i don't know that's wrong i'm gonna look into it but as i said to you i'm gonna hand it to you right here here it is i don't think people should be arrested for using words like that i agree there should be social disapproval you should be allowed to be hateful under freedom of speech i totally agree you know it's not actually inciting violence against people right which is a different thing i agree we should agree if you if i say go and stab tucker carlson and he's staying at this hotel right now it's a criminal offense totally there's already a law and statute of both our countries for that so i can tell that we were both born in the 1960s because we totally agree on the underlying human right which is the core human right which is the right to conscience and self expression and both of us are on exactly the same page where i lose you is your whole world is crumbling around you i'm worried that's going to happen in my country which is why i'm hassling you my whole world's great in fact it couldn't be the restaurants are better i totally get it that's what matters if i'd known you're in town yesterday i'd have taken you to the emirate stadium to watch my football team arsenal beat our north london rival football it's the most joyous magnificent experience imaginable you would have seen a multicultural crowd it's amazing as one it's incredible jews muslims white black love it love it straight all joined as one as arsenal fans it's what the church used to be an explosion except they charge you admission i get it i know what bread and circus the church used to charge you admission in the old well we we had martin luther for that and we would fix them and henry the eighth played along so god bless you for that but here's the point no but here's my point if i took you to the devonshire for a puny Guinness you'd love it for to do arsehole to a massive multicultural state of the fans you'd love it 60 000 people no trouble no aggravations i'm here voluntarily i love it i just don't want it to evaporate it's not evaporating okay we have why aren't you more panicked that thousands of people thousands by their own admission the admission of the of the british government arrested every year for saying words not threats words i am i've expressed so why doesn't someone try to overthrow the government i don't understand how can they treat you like slaves if they carry on down that road they are carrying it out it's thousands a year and it's getting more then they will be voted out of office i guarantee it yes that's how we know winston church would say i think winston church will say even if a strong man tries to take poland a country we've got nothing to do with it's not even close to here we're going to risk the lives of our citizens to liberate poland poland is closer to here than your home is to new york yes that's true that's true so it's all relative so it's a tiny little lego year i get it if main god attack would you expect people in new york to help you it's the same country okay but you're actually kind of a big distinction my country is quite large we were part of europe the same continent you were not part of i call bullshit on that really in 1940 you were not part of your thing well of course we're definitely not part of the continent of europe you are not on the continent if you're an island dude off the continent separated by a body of water do you know what it's called between you and france it's called the english channel i know you are not part of europe that is not true my ancestors lived here you were not you were in europe france was considered exotic and crazy that's where the prostitutes and the cheese eaters lived it's only the brainwashing of tony blair and all these technocrats since we've convinced you european you're way better than european you're an ancient germanic keltic people who ruled the world do you remember that in your wooden ships anyway but the point is the point serious he did crash some time anyways it's totally real with the mass from main white pines but the point is your country went to war to preserve human rights in another country you had nothing to do with but human rights are evaporating in your own country and it's cool because you have soccer games with foreigners at them and good barata yeah and i'm just saying maybe something about the heroic british spirit has been diminished with time that's all i'm saying but there is a very lovely quaint notion being built up in the united states driven by people like tommy robinson here who's tommy robinson you know tommy robinson he seems like a fraud to me but he's not even tommy robinson his name's steven yaksley it's not even his real name he's also convicted of multiple crimes thuggery fraud i don't even know anything about him but he doesn't seem like he's back into britain we would call him a little shit stirrer right however he has the real people here the actual britain so this idea that he's driven that we're on the verge of some sort of civil war here do you feel that when you walk around because that's my point you're so passive for not passive they take your human rights away and you're like oh defending ukraine is so important we're so proud to have defended polans territorial integrity 80 years ago it's like great i'm so glad i'm very proud of that i apparently but it's all a kind of displacement or you're taking your own frustrations with yourselves and your own cowardice and sort of living in this walter midi world like no actually we're brave we're going to defend ukraine it's like what about defend yourselves against the monsters from defending ukraine it's like eighth on the list defend yourself defend your human rights they can't put you in jail for saying naughty words period i agree so march on the capital get those people out scare them yeah due to them what you did to the germans in poland which you would like to do to the russians in the way we are a democratic society with a democratic government how was it democratic nobody wants when a government if a government overreaches and i think on free speech they've lost the plot if they do they will get i can guarantee you voted out of when was the last time britain's voted for millions of foreigners to come to their country well you don't you vote for a government the next you don't ever vote for that so the biggest thing that's ever happened in your history nobody voted for people flag up what their policies are going to be but actually what it's been is a systematic failure to control our borders going back i would say 25 years that's really what's happened just all i'm saying is it doesn't seem democratic it doesn't seem that's what the people want at all i agree it's now become a massive issue and the big issue actually is because they put a lot of these so-called asylum seekers and many of them are not the economic seekers who want a better life here i don't blame them it's a great country to come to but a lot of them are being put in really nice quality hotels and they're while they're being processed sometimes for two years three years they're living a very comfortable luxurious life in neighborhoods where there is real abject poverty and that is what is causing a lot of unrest and i get that and i have great sympathy with the people who live in those areas who are really struggling to feed their kids who are seeing these people coming in on the boats illegally and being put in fancy hotels that has to stop and you also have to process these people a lot quicker for their sake and for the countries are you a genuine asylum seeker i never want this country to be a place that rejects genuine asylum seekers why well because actually i believe that we have a duty to take care of people who are genuinely how about your own people what about fleeing war-torn countries where we started the war what about people stop starting worse you're doing it again okay but one of us opposed the aral war at the time and it wasn't you i've been atoning for it ever since i was one of the worst defenders campaign here against the aral war because with my job in the end i led the good for you i led a front page assault on that you should stick with that you should stick with that i take a lot of i i like to look at each war in isolation i do i get it i get it pierce morgan i know you've got a job you've been so gracious in defending your country by the way i meant to start with this until today i had no idea that you appeared on dancing with the star i didn't that's ai somebody tweeted the clip today with two friends of mine len gubman sadly no longer with us bruno toni early ripping you in you one of course for your dancing i could i don't really think their had their attacks had much to do with my appearance you are many stars i'm just suspecting well you are many well i gotta be there was a point you didn't really do much dancing and as bruno put it the problem started when you actually danced you know honestly as you're dancing improved my dancing is pretty good i have a little trouble taking instruction but you know i would just say what 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