The Jefferson Fisher Podcast

This Is Why Emotional People Hijack Conversations

15 min
Dec 2, 20255 months ago
Listen to Episode
Summary

Jefferson Fisher explores three practical strategies for handling negative energy in conversations: calling it out to neutralize it, responding to the truth rather than the tone of delivery, and protecting your own peace instead of trying to fix the other person's mood.

Insights
  • Naming negative energy aloud creates psychological distance and control by externalizing the problem rather than absorbing it
  • Most negative interactions stem from poor delivery/packaging of messages rather than the core message itself being invalid
  • Attempting to fix someone else's negative mood drains your mental energy and causes you to miss positive moments happening around you
  • Asking someone to repeat a passive-aggressive or hostile statement forces them to reframe it, naturally reducing its intensity
  • Negative energy spreads through contagion—people in bad moods actively seek to transfer that energy to others
Trends
Growing focus on emotional intelligence and communication skills in professional settingsRecognition that workplace negativity has measurable impacts on productivity, focus, and well-beingShift toward boundary-setting and personal responsibility in managing emotional dynamics rather than people-pleasingIncreased emphasis on naming/acknowledging tension explicitly rather than ignoring or suppressing itWellness and self-care framed as protective measures against external emotional manipulation
Topics
Emotional Intelligence in CommunicationHandling Difficult ConversationsNegative Energy ManagementConflict De-escalation TechniquesBoundary Setting in Professional RelationshipsTone vs. Content SeparationMental Energy ProtectionPassive-Aggressive CommunicationMood ContagionPresence and Mindfulness in ConversationsMediation and Dispute ResolutionWorkplace Stress ManagementPersonal Peace and Well-beingActive Listening and ClarificationEmotional Regulation
People
Jefferson Fisher
Host and primary speaker discussing communication strategies and personal experiences with negative energy management
Quotes
"The negative hates sunlight. It hates it. It runs from it."
Jefferson FisherEnd of episode summary
"You cannot control another person's mood. You cannot make somebody happier. That is their choice."
Jefferson FisherMid-episode
"When you claim it, you control it. I mean, you control your own reactions to it."
Jefferson FisherEarly episode
"The words are okay. There might be some truth in it, but it's the way they said it and was packaged was ugly."
Jefferson FisherMid-episode
"We forget the happiness that is happening in our own day. We forget the positive that is right there in front of us."
Jefferson FisherLate episode
Full Transcript
Today we are talking how to handle negative energy, that kind of energy that ruins your day, that energy that sticks in your head, that ruins your sleep, that makes you not want to eat. What do you do with it, aside from saying, get away from me? How do you handle negative energy? That's today's episode. You ready? Let's go. Welcome to the Jefferson Fisher Podcast. We're on a mission to make your next conversation, the one that changes everything. If you enjoy learning tools to improve your communication, I'm going to ask you please follow this podcast, subscribe to it wherever you're listening. In exchange, I can promise you that by listening and subscribing to these episodes, I'm going to make you a better communicator. Thank you. Today's episode is brought to you by Kozy Earth. One reason I love Kozy Earth, although there are many reasons, is today, they're bath sheets. Yeah, bath sheets. They're not just towels, they're actual sheets. About as tall as I am. Does that sound like too much? Maybe, but it's not. They are the best. I like to actually throw them in the dryer, like for a hot second before I get them out and it is, it's like heaven for a second. You just, you need that part of the day, it just feels nice. That's what I get. Kozy Earth makes the best bath sheets, bed sheets, yes, but right now I'm all about their towels. So if you like hand towels, bath towels, anything like that, and you're at the age that it matters, you need to go check out Kozy Earth. Kozy Earth.com slash Jefferson, use the Kozy Earth for up to 40% off. That's Kozy Earth.com slash Jefferson, use the Kozy Earth for 40% off. But now, back to the episode. To me, the number one thing that makes negative energy so harmful is that it physically affects me. It's not just the words, it actually presses on my emotions and how I feel and all of a sudden I don't want to eat and you know what, I'm kind of in a bad mood and I really can't focus and I'm not in a good state of mind to be with the kids and be a good husband and it's just everywhere and you feel like you are just weighted down on it. You ever felt that? I'm going to tell you how I handle negative energy and by the end of today's episode, you're going to know it too. You ready? Number one, you don't absorb it, you call it out. That means we're going to name it out loud. And what's I going to do? It's going to make sure you're able to now control that energy where it's now not just part of you. It's now off of you. There's a buffer that we're going to put in place. Number two, you don't react to the negative energy. You call out the truth. Respond to the truth. A lot of the times people put their words in really bad wrapping paper. The message itself is okay. It's that they just did such an ugly job, a lazy job, putting it and packaging it, that it's not you worth even accepting. That means we're going to send it right back. And number three, protect your presence, not the problem. Whenever you start focusing on the problem, trying to fix them, trying to do everything about them, well, then you've lost your own presence. And that, I'm just not going into tolerate. So that leads me to point number one. That is don't absorb what they said. Instead we're going to call it out. You're going to say it out loud. That means when you claim it, you control it. I mean, you control your own reactions to it. That's the takeaway there. What does that sound like? That means when there is that situation that it is all of a sudden tense or negative, you can just tell the other person's not doing well. Nothing about them just screams ugly. I'm not talking in their face. I mean, everything about it is kind of makes you sick. You just, you can tell us not making you feel good. You want to kind of back away. You want to distance. You can tell us just negative energy. One of the biggest keys to me of people that are negative energy is because they're looking for other people to infect. They're looking for other people to throw the negative on. They'll throw to anybody that they can. If they're in a bad mood, they want you to have a bad mood. It's just this pervasive ripple of, I like how I just did my arms, like angels in the outfield. That movie, I'm home. Man. Where you feel like it is pushed out to everybody around. It's not good enough just to contain it. That gives me such a bad mood. You know what? Sometimes I'm that person. Sometimes it's me that is, let's say, infected with the negative. When I'm in a bad state of mind, when I'm looking glass half empty, when I am not being thankful for what I have, when I've forgotten how I got what I got, and it's not of my own works, and it's not of my own, anything of my own, but of the grace that I've received. When I'm in a place where it is glass half empty, I share that negative energy too. So what do you do with that? We put it in a scenario. One time, and one of my early mediations that I had, we were all in a room, posing attorneys, mediator, the parties, and there's a lot of people at the table. They call this an opening in mediation where everybody, you know, one side gets to say, well, we think our case is really good, and we think that we're going to settle for this amount, and we demand this. And the other side says, well, you know what? I think your case is absolute garbage, and our case is awesome, and we demand X. And the mediator has to go, okay, thank you guys for saying you're speaking your truth, you know, time to go to the other side. It's like a referee at the beginning of a football game or something or soccer game. They kind of just, all right, shake hands, okay, and go to your own sides. Well, in that opening, you could just tell the temperature in the room was starting to rise. And then we're going to get upset. And as the temperatures in the room started to rise, I asked a question out loud. I said, isn't this just mere, does this feel tense? All of a sudden, it was like a bubble just popped. Everybody kind of went, oh, no, no, no, we're not trying to be tense here. Oh, no, we're just explaining, and all of a sudden the temperature rose down. When you call it out, you're able to take better control of where that energy is coming from, and it starts to lower. So when you feel that negative energy, what I want you to do, call it out. You can say the same thing as me or ask the same thing. This feels tense. This feels heated. This feels negative. This feels like we're having a hard time. I'm feeling some friction from you. Whenever you use those words of whether it's tense, I like tense, I like heated, or even ask, is this getting heated? What do you think the reaction is? Nobody goes, yes, it is. They all back away. Oh, no, no, it's not. I didn't mean to get. Oh, no, I mean, I'm just explaining my, that's what I'm talking about. You're going to calm that negative energy down and send it away where it belongs. Number two, don't react to the tone of what they said, react to the truth. To me, when people say ugly things, they're two different sides of it. There are people who, the words are ugly and the deliveries ugly. I would say the vast majority or that we react to, the words are okay. There might be some truth in it, but it's the way they said it and was packaged was ugly. The truth of it is somewhat there, but they've packaged it and just crumpled old nubes paper, like they actually didn't want to try whatsoever. And so they say, here, accept this. This is my negative energy. You know what, yeah, that's fine. I don't really want to go. Whatever it is, that happens to the negative energy. You're going to send it right back by having them repeat it. How by having them repeat it. It's very similar to how I recommend handling insults. See, they can't repackage it in the same way. Again, when you ask them to repeat it, for example, if you were to, I asked you a question, you go, no, I mean, that's fine. I mean, I guess if you really want to something passive aggressive, and I were to say, I need you to say that again, they can't say it the same way. They can't say it the same way. They just look terrible. They're not going to, they're not going to press record and play as if they just rebate them what they just said. Instead, they're going to tweak it. They're going to send it right back. If it sounds still negative, say, no, I need a better police. Or even, you don't have to say police if you don't want to depend on who it is. But it's, I need you to say that again. I need you to repeat that. You're trying to find the actual truth to what they said rather than reacting to the tone. Separating the two makes a big difference. Before we keep going, I want to take a second to tell you about fabric by Gerber Life. What gives me peace of mind is knowing that if something were to ever happen to me, my family, I know they're going to be taken care of. That's what insurance, life insurance is really all about making sure that the people that depend on me also have peace of mind. Fabric by Gerber Life is term life insurance you can get done today made for busy parents like you, like me, all online on your schedule right from your couch. You could be covered in less than 10 minutes with no health exam required. And now is the time to lock in low rates. Even if you have coverage through work, it may not be enough and it may not follow you if you choose to leave that job. Fabric makes it simple, flexible, high quality policies that fit your family and your budget like a million dollars in coverage for less than a dollar a day. And they've partnered with Gerber Life trusted by millions of families for over 50 years. And thousands of parents who trust Fabric to help protect their family apply today in just minutes at meat fabric dot com slash Jefferson. That's meat fabric dot com slash Jefferson policies issued by Western Southern life insurance company, not available in certain states prices subject to underwriting and health questions. And now let's get back to the episode. And number three, protect your presence, not the problem. When people are sending out negative energy, we often have this habit of trying to focus on them where everything we think about is the problem and we worry about it and we stress about it because we want to fix their negative energy. Stop it. You cannot control another person's mood. You cannot make somebody happier. That is their choice. Sure, you can say things. You might give something. You might spend some time that can help affect it, but you do not make the choice for them. There is not a button. There's not a phrase. There's not a switch that you can give that is going to magically change somebody's mood. If there was, we'd all have a lot less problems in the world. What I'm saying is, whenever somebody is given that negative energy to you, don't focus on all I have to fix them and there's nothing I can do. And it gets wrapped up to where you're draining all of your mental energy on that. You're draining your mental energy. I get that way sometimes when, let's say this is a way to kind of relate this thought. I'm somebody that, once I get on a project, let's say I'm putting together some shelves, or I recently was migrating some files between like Outlook and Gmail or something. And I am in the weeds on something. I have to see it through. I mean, I've got to finish it. I don't like an unfinished task. I need to be able to see it through. So if I'm putting together shelves, you kind of just like get in this tunnel vision of like, don't ask me anything. I'm in these. I'm in this. What I want is to do it and I can't put it down. Have a hard time putting it down. Even if it's like dinner time, maybe, or it's time to eat or take a snack. You don't want to do it. Nope. I'm in the zone. We do that a lot with people that have negative energy. We focus all of our attention on it. So much so that we forget the happiness that is happening in our own day. We forget the positive that is right there in front of us. We forget the gifts that are right there for ours. So we just stop and look and seek for it. If you seek it, it will be there for to see my child trying to have affection towards me in that moment rather than maybe. And so locked in on finishing the shelves, I go in the bathroom, anything like that. It's you dropping it to where it's not focused solely on the problem. Instead you are making sure that your mind acknowledges the negative energy, but it neither matches it nor tries to attach to it. That's the difference. That's how you handle the negative energy. Today we learned, one, you're not going to absorb it, you're going to call it out. Meaning you're going to say something like this feels tense. This feels like it's getting heated. This feels really negative. I'm getting negative vibes from you. Naturally it just, all of a sudden it has the opposite effect. It calls it out. The negative hates sunlight. It hates it. It runs from it. Number two, whenever you feel like somebody is trying to put their words in a bad package, send it right back. You don't have to accept it. Just return to sender. I need you to say that again. I need you to say that again. Number three, respond to what you know is your truth. Respond to your peace. Focus on your peace, not the problem. Whatever your mind is on their negative energy and trying to fix them all the time, you are missing what's right in front of you. My guess is, those are much more beautiful moments. All right, so you can try that and follow me.