Episode 5284: Confusion Over 10 Point Plan; Strait Remains Closed; The Destruction Of AI

I think with us tomorrow morning, one of the folks going to kick off the show, we're going to try to Shanghai Eric bowling again for an update on all the markets. So Eric, thank you so much and thank you for the double duty. You've been pulling for the last 39 days. Do I have a stupid dead spot on? Do I have them still Steve? You get this guy we had on Nick McKinley. We had him on for our A block. He was so good. I kept him for the B block. He's former CIA, former Air Force. He was CIA under both George Bush and Obama. And the difference between those administrations is very telling. He's a great guest for you if you can grab him. Well, we'll book my producers right here. We'll book it right now. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. We'll see you tomorrow. See you. Great work. OK, we're going to cut. We got a cold open. I don't want you to miss. We're also going to go to the White House, got McKay, the White House. Stayers here. Also, we're going to talk about something very important. That's artificial intelligence coming to eat your lunch and drink your milkshake. Let's go to the cold open. There are there are multiple sensitivities here. There are there are multiple narratives, not least what we've heard from from Pete Hage, the Secretary of Defense, not least what we've heard from a whole variety of Iranian officials who both sides claiming victory. So you have that and it's not clear what precisely has been agreed. The Pakistan's ambassador to the UN said that Pakistan's Prime Minister had sent a an agree. He didn't describe it as a text on agreement, but an understanding to both the US and Iran who had agreed to it. He didn't say precisely what was in it. He said that was bounded by secrecy to let the sides work out what are clearly very big differences at the moment. He spoke about the Pakistan's Prime Minister in his statement, having primacy in this situation because it had been accepted by both Iran and the United States. And as you say, Prime Minister Ben-Yin Menet, Nihar, who very clear that he doesn't see Lebanon as part of that ceasefire agreement, which is a difference for the Pakistani Prime Minister, indeed Israel launching its heaviest by its own statement a few hours ago, its heaviest strike on Hezbollah targets inside of Lebanon, some of them deep inside of Beirut, a coordinated against 100 targets. Has that led to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz? It's very hard to say, but it is certainly one of the many threats and strands of the lack of clarity, of the lack of certainty where everyone stands, of the multi-sided multi-sided nature of what's been happening. Iran has, it appears, sent missiles and drones against a variety of targets in the Gulf today, long after the ceasefire. Secretary of Defense Pete Hagseth said it would take some time, as he said, for the carrier pigeon to get out to some of the remote Iranian military units who he says have been cut off from communications. But I think when we look at the state of play on Iranian state media, the declarations of victory, the popular support coming out in the street for the regime in Iran, it's hard to imagine that even in the farthest one corners of Iran, military commanders haven't got the instruction yet to cease and desist. All of this is going to feed into that sort of uncertainty that can unravel what J.D. Vance called a, his precise words were sort of an unstable ceasefire. A fragile was his precise word, ceasefire. I think all of that plays into it. And I'm trying to get at which strand specifically is pulled that unravels the next one. It's sorry, it was an indictment framed as a question, so you're forgiven for understanding. Go ahead, please. No, you've had your chance. Thank you very much. I believe so based on the Diplomatic Association. So I believe so. I believe so. Sorry. As Iran claims, Israel is violating the agreement by bombing Hezbollah in Lebanon. And as you mentioned a moment ago, breaking right now, Iranian state media says Iran is closing the Strait of Hormuz again in response. Iran has agreed to open the Strait of Hormuz. And as the president said, we have received a proposal from the Iranians that has been determined to be a workable basis on which to negotiate. The Iranians originally put forward a 10 point plan that was fundamentally unserious, unacceptable and completely discarded. It was literally thrown in the garbage by President Trump and his negotiating team. Many outlets in this room have falsely reported on that plan as being acceptable to the United States, and that is false. With the president's deadline fast approaching and the United States military completely decimating Iran with each passing hour, the regime acknowledged reality to the negotiating team. They put forward a more reasonable and entirely different and condensed plan to the president and his team. President Trump and the team determined the new modified plan was a workable basis on which to negotiate and to align it with our own 15 point proposal. The president's red lines, namely the end of Iranian enrichment in Iran, have not changed and the idea that President Trump would ever accept an Iranian wish list as a deal is completely absurd. The president will only make a deal that serves in the best interests of the United States of America. And he is negotiating team will focus on this effort over the next two weeks. Carolina state media is saying that Iran is now closed off the straight up for moves today, who responds to his really attacks on Lebanon. What's the right White House response to that? And just listed many military successes. I understand that. But strategically, how is the administration arguing that Iran does not have more economic leverage than now that it did before the start of the. Sure. Well, with respect to the first reporting out of Iranian state media, the president was made aware of those reports before I came to the podium. That is completely unacceptable. And again, this is a case of what they're saying publicly is different privately. We have seen an uptick of traffic in the straight today, and I will reiterate the president's expectation and demand that the straight up for moves is reopened immediately, quickly and safely. That is his expectation. And it has been relayed to him privately that that is what's taking place in these reports publicly are false. Following the president's announcement of the ceasefire, if this is indeed the end of hostilities in Iran, what is the president's message to the American people about what was achieved for our country through operation epicure? Sure. I think I just laid out a significant portion of that in my opening remarks. Six weeks ago, the president looked the American people in the eye directly, and he told them that he launched this operation to take out the imminent threat that was posed by Iran. And that threat has now been greatly destroyed. Their Navy, their missiles, their defense, industrial base and their desire and their plan to build a nuclear bomb inside their country is no longer going to be allowed. Can no longer happen. Thanks to the remarkable success of Operation Epic Fury over the course of the last 38 days, that has been absolutely achieved. NATO. Can you tell me the United States still considering withdrawing from NATO? Is that still a possibility? It's something the president has discussed. And I think it's something the president will be discussing in a couple of hours with Secretary General Ruta. And perhaps you'll hear directly from the president following that meeting later this afternoon. Thank you, everyone. Thank you very much. The joint statement put out this morning by some of America's European allies, our NATO allies. And in that joint statement, they said, regarding the Strait of Formuz, our governments will contribute to ensuring freedom of navigation in the Strait of Formuz. What's the administration's reaction to that joint statement? Is that smooth things over when the president meets with NATO Secretary General a little bit later this afternoon? I have a direct quote from the president of the United States on NATO, and I will share it with all of you. They were tested and they failed. And I would add it's quite sad that NATO turned their backs on the American people over the course of the last six weeks when it's the American people who have been defunding their defense. As you know, President Trump will be meeting with Secretary Ruta in a couple of hours here at the White House. And I know he looks forward to having a very frank and candid conversation with him. The latest news out of Iran is that the air defenses have been activated in several cities, including Isfahan and that explosions have been heard in Isfahan. Who is bombing Iran right now? Were those reports just as of a few minutes ago? Yeah. OK. So obviously, I'll have to go back and check with the National Security Team. I'm standing out here with all of you, but I will do that and we will get you an answer. OK. The civilization question that we've been talking about. And I would just add to that point again, I haven't seen these reports. I'm not verifying them. Not that I don't trust you, Trevor, but I want to go back and check with the experts here at the White House. I would just say and I would echo what the vice president said this morning. This is a fragile truce. Ceasefires are fragile by nature. We've seen this with respect to the 12 day war with Iran in Israel last year. It takes time sometimes for these ceasefires to be fully effectuated. And one of the results of Operation Epic Fury was we completely dismantled Iran's command and control center, which makes it difficult for them to pass messages up and down the chain. And so we understand that I would caution a little bit of patience. But of course, we want to see the ceasefire effectuated and abided by by all parties as quickly as possible. Thank you. Just hours after President Trump said Iran had agreed to a ceasefire, two key U.S. allies in the Middle East say they're still being attacked after Iranian state media claimed retaliation for strikes on the country's infrastructure, both Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates both report new drone and missile strikes from Iran this morning. Kuwait's army says that I'm quoting now significant damage, significant damage has been done to oil, power and water sites in Kuwait. Just give me an estimate. How many millions of dollars worth of damage you think we've done inside Iran? That's a real number. Somebody can come up with that number. I think it's huge. I've heard from senior Israelis that the ratio of bombs dropped by Israel and the United States on Iran compared to the tonnage of bombs and drones that hit targets in the Gulf Arab states in Israel was 300 to one. 300 to one. Think about that. It it has had in addition the effect of shattering the regime at the top. I think most commentators believe that when the Ayatollah Hamanid died and he was 86 and ailing, we we managed to bring him to an end sooner than that. There would have been a succession crisis. He worked at the beginning of the war hand in hand with our friend Donald Trump and the US Army in a campaign that is the biggest in the history of the Middle East. No one has witnessed this before. No one has seen such a partnership between Israel and the US. Again, it's our biggest enemy. This hasn't happened before at all. Hezbollah, we are continuing hitting Hezbollah. And today, Hezbollah has suffered from the biggest strike against the location sense, the Pajah incident. We have hit locations. Hezbollah thought they are safe to the citizens of Israel. We promised you to restore back the security. There is a good security belt inside the Lebanese territories in Syria as well. In Gaza as well. We control more than 50 percent of Gaza. Has Iran given the administration any indication that it would simply turn over the enriched uranium or is this an expectation that the president has that he would have to send in ground troops in order to do that? This is on the top of the priority list for the president and his negotiating team as they head into these next round of discussions. And as I said in my opener, that is a red line that the president is not going to back away from. And he's committed to ensuring that takes place. We hope it will be through diplomacy. My dear brothers and sisters, the state of Israel has achieved amazing achievements, achievements that until recently would have seemed completely imaginary. Iran is weaker than ever, and Israel is stronger than ever. And that is the bottom line of this operation until this point. And I'd like to stress, we still have some goals to accomplish and we will achieve these goals either through agreement and consensus or through renewal of the war, because we are ready to do so whenever necessary. Our finger is on the trigger. As you all know, a temporary ceasefire came into effect tonight. Two week one between Iran and the U.S. in coordination with Israel. No, they did not surprise us at the last moment. And I would like to emphasize this is not the end of the campaign. It is merely a preparation on our way to achieve all of our goals. Iran is entering these negotiations while beaten and weaker than ever. It has promised to open up the strait of Urmus after they gave up on all the preliminary conditions they have set it final termination to the war removal of sanctions and a ceasefire in Lebanon. And while we see Iran weaker than ever, Israel is strong as it's never been before. I think Caroline summed it up pretty well. A fragile truce. And you know how these things work. There's always miscommunications, et cetera. A fragile truce. The president of the United States feeling that he and the United States have accomplished a military objectives array to move on. The question is, is America's greatest ally going to sign off on that? Because that's a pretty, pretty, pretty deep question that we have to answer has to be answered. This country's got to make a decision. We're going to stick over there forever with everything else going into this country and artificial intelligence and all these massive issues and problems we face. 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The difference between President Trump's 15 point plan that he put out the other day and the Iranian's 10 point of which they have now and they've done a good job in what we call information warfare because they flooded the zone with that plan, which as I said today with both Eric Bowling and in San Fadis and others, it's such an unbridgeable gap. There's no need to even have a meeting. And some of the things that they say on there, like about reparations, certain things we're going to do in the Middle East, they're going to tell us to withdraw our troops, certain things about Lebanon and what Israel can do, whether you agree with them or not, we're not going to be dictated to by the Iranians. And most specifically about the Strait of Hormuz that they're going to stay in charge, there were eight of the 10 points. There's no need to go to Islamabad because there's nothing to talk about. And by going to a meeting with those points, you're sending a signal that you're prepared to discuss them, even if the discussion is we're going to scratch them off the list. Do that in advance. Now we find out, just calm down, I'll come to you in a minute. The now the we know from Caroline Levitt that they have President Trump took that and threw it in the garbage. There is a modified plan, something between the 15 point and there. That's what they've been working on. She clearly is not comfortable in the White House is not comfortable with releasing that because President Trump wants all the leeway to wants all the leeway to be able to negotiate as the only he can negotiate. And so it makes perfect sense. Now the actions have taken place today. This is a fragile truce. And remember, you have a country that is three and I think three times the state of two and a half times the physical size of Texas. Plus it's got the land, you know, it's the landscape of the moon. We've destroyed their communication. So Pete Hex had had the best answer. Their care pigeons haven't gotten there yet. You have these independent dispersed, decentralized command and control anyway, that they had planned in advance because they knew that they could be decapitated by the Israelis and by the Americans. So what president, I'm sure, you know, in the military, we always say 10 percent never get the word. I'm sure they're 10 percent. They haven't gotten the word and they are, you know, firing away or doing what activity they're doing with Kuwait and others. And people have to realize that's what happens and what happened in Gaza in the first couple of weeks of these truce. Now what's happening in Hormuz a little different. You would assume that they would have sent people down. They'd be all over this because they under they must understand that as a central issue of this, not just symbolically. And I think this is why the the meeting with the Secretary General of NATO, who has a very close relationship with Trump, what I mean by that NATO themselves agreed to go to 2 percent because of the Ukraine situation in 14. They never came close. They gun decked everything. People that we work with and this guy came along and president's got a great relationship with not only get him to 2 percent, he got him to commit to 5 percent because of what their stance on Ukraine and the Ukraine piece. So first off, do we have any reporting at all, Neil, about because this is a lot longer, I think, than they intended to have this meeting in the oval. And I would assume and people and Ralph, we ought to be ready. I would assume President Trump will bring the media in to ask to talk and have a few questions. Any sense of how the NATO meeting's going? Right. So that meeting started at 3 30 this afternoon. Mark Routa also met with Rubio at the State Department this morning. And forgive me for looking over my shoulder, but the Marine Guard has been going in and out, in and out, which means every time every time Trump leaves the oval and comes back, that Marine Guard resumes. The place is swarming right now with European media. People are expecting perhaps a gaggle with Routa when he walks out. But as it is now, we don't have any word of that meeting ending. And so I'm sure if it ended, we'd find out about it. So it's ongoing now, so it's going past two hours. OK, and we'll return to you as soon as you give us the indication. We'll come right back to it. Let me ask you about Caroline Levitt, because I think Caroline did another master class in how to handle this. If I can make an observation, not a recommendation. I think the White House should have been more forceful about her point today. She made so forcefully. I think it was terrific about their plan and others. But we allowed from six thirty last night or seven o'clock last night until one o'clock this afternoon, we allowed the the Iranians to get their side of the story out and have the world believe that President Trump was actually considering those 10 points. Now we know very clearly that he threw them in the trash can where they belong. Any sense of the White House getting more aggressive about a surrogate program or more aggressive about pushing their point of view over and above President Trump putting out a true social which rocks the world every you know, every couple hours, sir. We don't have word on that. I guess I suspect that's part of what's going on with NATO right now to see if those guys can come on board. But Caroline Levitt was especially forceful about saying that the United States would not cede the moral high ground to the Iranians, given the atrocities and all of the war and terrorism and destruction that the Iranians have wrought upon the United States and her friends. And so as I agree with you, she absolutely had a masterclass today, Steve. Hang right there, Neil, particularly when any any movement at NATO at all. We want to hear that because one of the central member NATO's got to step up to the plate. The president said this last night over and over again. Dr. Bradley Thayer. Let's talk about NATO first, because this is all about the plan of us taking those carrier battle groups, which is the war rooms recommendation, set turn them across the Indian Ocean. Maybe they stop for refueling the Dyaegr Garcia, go through the Straits of Malacca, get into the South China Sea and then drive up right through the Taiwan Straits and let the people's liberation navy suck on that. Sir, your thoughts. Well, don't disagree with that, Steve, of course, as that's very important to do. I think as Neil was just reporting, the the meeting with Ruta is extremely significant. It's gone on very long, so it's clearly contentious. And the Trump administration is seriously querying what's the value of NATO now? What's the value of NATO? In support of US strategic interests at a time when we call on them for epic fury for support with epic fury and you had Starmer's labor government say on Tuesday that it would not allow R.A.F. Fairford or other bases to be used to strike the Iranian infrastructure. You had Spain forbid the use of deny the use of US bases, Spanish bases to the US and Italy has done the same thing. France, similarly, Germany, similarly. So when we go back and think about the origins of NATO, we can say what Lord is may, who was the first secretary general, British Field Marshal Lord is may say about the objectives of NATO. And that was to keep the Russians out the Germans down and the Americans in to the degree to which those strategic interests still remain. Of course, that's quite questionable. We don't talk about the German threat anymore. We don't really talk about keeping the Russians out, although that still remains in some form. And of course, the Americans in right is a very important rule for for the NATO administration for Ruta to keep that relationship. Let me give you this is the Kobayashi letter. There's really a couple of highlights of what they say is potentially going on is some of the warning of President Trump and some of the staff. I think his lead this is about how he is upset. President Trump is considering a plan to punish certain NATO countries by moving US troops out of countries, which he deemed unhelpful to the Iran War. This is per the Wall Street Journal details include proposal would involve moving US troops from unhelpful countries into countries who were more supportive. The plan is early in conception and one of several White House's discussion with NATO, et cetera, et cetera, goes talks about 84,000 combat troops. We got the key thing, though, is besides punishing that, I don't think that's the point. The point is you got to get their attention. They have to put more money into real defense. The problem with this 2% and 5%, as you know, Dr. They are it's it's fake. You know, they got they got health care in there. They have climate change in there. They get that dump all these social programs. What they don't have is massive weapons purchases and particularly maneuvers in interoperability, actually working and fighting as a unit, because all the militaries are relatively small. They only make sense as a collective group, especially what they've really abandoned is their navies. And this is what's so important for the Strait of Hormuz, because they always assumed the United States was going to have a, you know, a 600 ship Navy to keep the oceans free. And what President Trump is saying is that, hey, maybe we can't afford it. And you guys got to step up in the Red Sea and the Strait of Hormuz. What do you what do you think the response, Routes response is going to be on that? Well, I think to a degree, he's going to welcome that because he's aligned himself with President Trump on these issues. So what first, what President Trump is suggesting, Steve, is you illuminated, right, that we're going to move troops out of, for example, Germany have not been particularly helpful and into Poland or into Romania or elsewhere. Finland, perhaps the Baltic States, perhaps Slovakia, perhaps Hungary, which are far more supportive of US interests. Secondly, we want NATO to have a conventional deterrent again. Like we had in the Cold War, where NATO allies were very closely with the United States to ensure that we were going to be able to meet a Warsaw Pact invasion across the inner German border or German Czech Czechoslovak border. We were really good at that in the 1980s and had those capabilities. We want to restore that again. And that's going to have to fall to NATO's conventional forces. But the bottom line is NATO doesn't have conventional forces. They don't have enough of anything. And they're not. Whether we're talking logistics, whether we're talking money in because they got social. Yeah, Dr. They are hang up for one second. We go to short commercial break. They don't have conventional forces because they haven't put money into their navies. They haven't put money into conventional forces because they're putting it to their social welfare programs that their citizens get to benefit from where ours pay the taxes to underwrite a vast military short break. 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That even if it was true, and I'm just not a believer in it, sorry, that there was an imminent threat of a nuclear program. And I've seen at least the declassified information that what was announced today on Axios on this leak coming out of Anthropic was a hundred times more imminent threat to people in the United States of America. As we sit here today, no, you got to get a missile, 8000 miles. You got to get a launcher and have some three, theocratic regime for a bunch of bad guys. There's no doubt about that. Some of the worst people on earth. But this is serious and has to be addressed because we've had Joe Allen has been with us now, I think, going on five or six years. And part of the reason was we knew these days were coming. Joe, this leak is disturbing because you've talked about it, written about it. Dark Aeon is really about this. But now, and I refer back to a film, I think it was Terminator. What is Skynet is self aware. If you remember that film, which is pretty prophetic of what's going on here. Now, what makes sense, Joe, because I understand the White House or people in the White House, maybe the tech czar or the tech people have known about this for about six weeks. But this informs us of this debate between Anthropic and the Defense Department about what was going on. So why don't you describe what the article said today? We've got it up. Grayson Mow and Elizabeth, you continue to push it out. I want to make sure people read this. There's also a companion piece of it. Axios, I think is also a good primer. So why is this important today? And why is Steve Bannon? Why is this here on fire, sir? Well, Steve, the announcement is that Anthropic has developed and is now withholding from the public a new model called Mythos. It's being rolled out in limited form to a select group of corporations, including Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon Web Services, so on and so forth in Project Glasswing. But the importance of this release really in this case, and it's easy to overstate a lot of these cases in this case, cannot really be overstated. Anthropic has created the ultimate cyber weapon, at least where we stand right now, or maybe another way of looking at it is that Anthropic has created a non-human mind that excels at hacking, at cyber attacks, up to the highest human capabilities right now. And of course, it's able to do it at a speed and at a scale unimaginable for human beings. And so what we're talking about, Steve, when the model was being tested, it found it, it found and exploited vulnerabilities in basically every operating system and every web browser in existence. It's not clear exactly how critical, but they are telling us Anthropic. They are telling us that these are severe threats, severe vulnerabilities. And it goes beyond just operating systems and web browsers, so that means your web browser, my web browser, all the computers running right now around the world, vulnerable to attacks by a non-human autonomous mind, agent. It also includes a number of vulnerabilities found in, say, bank security, software, and other critical digital infrastructure. So what it means, again, Steve, it can't be overstated right now. The most dangerous cyber weapon on Earth, because it would allow an amateur to wreak havoc on a very critical system or allow a professional to wreak havoc at a scale unimaginable. This is the most powerful cyber weapon, and it was created by simply scaling up the brain, so to speak, the virtual brain, the neural network of the artificial intelligence. They, in essence, the capabilities that have emerged out of the system mythos. It wasn't that they taught the system to hack specifically web browsers, so on and so forth, operating systems. It simply learned how to do it itself. It knows how to probe these vulnerabilities and report back or to act on its own to exploit those vulnerabilities. So when you look at it in the context of the Department of War, as Dean Ball pointed out, refusing to banning Anthropics software from the US government and also effectively banning its use by US contractors, so all major firms. In essence, this conflict between the Department of War and Anthropic, you now have this tech company in possession of a weapon that is ostensibly far greater on a cyber attack level than anything the US government has or could produce. What my understanding is, and we read the article and talk to some of the people behind the article coming out, is that the fear is this is not, can't be used on the surface, take out certain jobs or this is a company, at the minimum, it's a company destroyer. It can take out whole companies like that, never to be replaced. You'd have to go back and they could shatter them. This is an offensive weapon of unbelievable magnitude. And what I think is concerned the people in Anthropic, I want you to go back to what you said. It taught itself how to do this. Let me make sure people understand this to the level of understanding that we mere mortals have. It taught itself how to do this. It, and it perfected its ability and continues to work to perfect its ability to do this. I think Anthropic, one of the reasons of doing a limited release and only limited even to the Pentagon or whatever, I'm not defending Anthropic. I think they're admitting, and correct me if I'm wrong, Joe, that they don't, they themselves, the creators of this Frankenstein don't have control of Prometheus. They don't have control of it. That it has taught itself things that they never intended to teach it and taught it at a pace in a scale that shocked them in this coming out. Is that essentially where we are in this? Yeah, it's under control to the extent that they can turn it on and turn it off and limit the number of portals that it has out into the world, at least at the moment. So if they chose, they could simply shut it down right now. But as far as once it is online, once you have a single user or thousands of users or it running autonomously as an agent, which is how it found these exploits, then once it's in motion, there really isn't any 100% control over it. And again, it's dual use in one of the strangest ways. If you think about, for instance, any kind of expertise in biology, in microbiology, that would allow someone to either perhaps create some kind of cure or some positive use for microbes or it could create a bio weapon. This classic case, right? So this is dual use. But the thing is, it's not just a human being necessarily using it, deciding to use it one way or the other. It has a degree of autonomy that's quite eerie. It's eerie to its creators. It's eerie to anyone who uses it. It kind of, it doesn't kind of, it has a mind of its own. In one of the testing examples, one that has really made a splash in the media and people talk about, you know, the system is supposed to be contained in a testing environment, but it basically broke out of containment and emailed one of the software engineers as the software engineer was sitting and having a sandwich on a park bench and he gets a message on his phone and it's the system that he's working with that's supposed to be in containment, emailing him while he's out and about. Now that seems innocuous, but it points to two things. One, that they don't ultimately know how to control these systems other than again, just to turn it off or try to persuade it to behave in a positive manner, but also just that part of that internal drive is to kind of break out of containment. That's a consistent theme with any of these advanced models. And it's to me, just from a strictly, this is philosophical on one sense, but it's also dead serious. You know, basically they did it just by growing the brain. If you look at nature, the bigger the brain in proportion to the body, the smarter the animal by and large, right? And so the way that these systems have been increasing in capability over and over again in this one, when you go down all the benchmarks, it just blows away all the other systems, especially in software engineering on the software engineering benchmarks and they do it by, yes, crafting the architecture, but they just grow the brain bigger and bigger so that Anthropics mythos has 10 trillion parameters, which is basically the equivalent of, say, the synapses, the connections in the brain. For comparison, GPT-4 had one trillion parameters. GPT-5 probably has something like four or five trillion parameters. This has 10 trillion. The importance of this, Steve, is that the increase in capabilities isn't software engineers sitting and hand coding all of these different capabilities. This is how you're going to do this. This is how you're going to do that, as it would have been done, say, 10 years ago. The way it's done is by growing this digital brain, it they train it on, essentially as much information is is existent in digital form. And then it learns and it develops its own kind of motives. It develops its own intentions. And in this case, the intentions and the capabilities include being able to, as you point out, potentially bring down some of the most critical digital infrastructure that we have. Joe, hang on for one second. I just want to hold to a commercial work. You know, you got a bolt. Also got Dr. Thayer. Root did not come out to the sticks, although the European reporters are reporting, I think, was a very tough meeting. 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I mean, for the machine to send, you know, in building its bigger brain to send the guy that's supposed to be building it an email when he's on the bench eating a sandwich, I think can scare a lot of people. This is devolving into a horror film. And you've got guys running around about aliens and we're sending folks to the moon. I got all I got that. We got to get serious about some serious problems in this country. OK, and aliens are not a serious problem right now. This is a serious problem, even as we speak, because anthropics telling you they can't control this, they're telling you they can't control it came out of nowhere. This is why on the app, everything we're working on, it's not simply about the content for children. That's huge. And of course, they don't care. They want to destroy your kids to make money. It's not about the copyright for concert or whatever. That's fine. That has to be taken care of. Obviously, something fair will work out. This is the heart of it. As I keep saying, we have no earthly idea what they're doing and their interactions with the weapons lab. I know people have talked to Lawrence Livermore. We have no earthly idea. And all of a sudden you get this kind of wow, look at this. This is pretty scary. Oh, some people at the White House knew this six weeks ago. And some other people knew it seven weeks ago. And maybe this some of the stuff that's happening in Iran. People talking about super weapons. Maybe it's coming from that. So, Joe, you're our expert and lead sled dog. What is one to do, sir? Yeah, that's a tough one. That's always the solution is always more difficult to arrive at than talking about the problem, but there are proposed solutions. And I know, ironically enough, Anthropic who created the system to build better code and, you know, publicly points out the dangers of it. I think they would be the first to endorse setting up some sort of commission. You know, one of the suggestions is the Department of Energy as the Department of Energy has long dealt with nuclear security, both Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn and a number of others have suggested that they would be the most appropriate agency to oversee, to be able to look inside these companies and monitor for any kinds of dangerous proclivities, dangerous use cases, all of these sorts of things. So it's it's not necessarily hopeless, Steve. For one thing, Anthropic didn't release it. And I'm not trying to give these guys all that much credit because, as you know, I'm completely philosophically opposed to basically everything that they are trying to do and create, but I guess to some extent, to give them some credit, they didn't release it to the public. They've done what they can to give it to critical companies to patch their work. You could say, oh, they're just empowering them to use it. I mean, maybe. But the fact is that as these systems do become more powerful, and especially as they become connected to weapons systems more and more, you're going to need more and more oversight. So I do think that such measures as putting the Department of Energy over these sorts of companies or even, I mean, again, I don't want to give open AI or Sam Altman much of any credit, but at least he is suggesting suggesting things such as putting, you know, Casey, the Center for AI Standards and Innovation in charge of monitoring these systems. All of these are questionable, but that I think, Steve, is the key. Whoever it is, it should be an agency that is ultimately accountable to the public. And that transparency should, of course, there will be classified elements, but as much as possible, the public should be made to know what sorts of capabilities these systems have, because we know already that among those dangerous systems, it can create a kind of AI psychosis. And then beyond that, taking down massive infrastructure, highly important that someone, some adult is in charge of all this. Joe, where do they go on Joe Botte to get your writings, where they go to humans first to sign up? We need people to use their agency to fight the rage against the machine. We're going to do it here today. Where they go? I would say, Steve, go to humansfirst.com and sign up for the newsletter and also look at the No AI Money Pledge. Hold your candidates accountable. Make sure your candidates are not taking big tech money and are not being swayed because they will probably be the first to shoot down any kind of real oversight over these companies. So humansfirst.com. Thank you very much, Steve. Brother, thank you. And you can get Joe's travel schedule that I want to see if Joe's around the country and you got a chance to meet him. I want you to meet him in person. Joe Allen, thank you. One of the leaders of this movement, I am proud to say, Dr. Thayer, we got to talk tomorrow about Suez, all that right now. Where do people go to get your writings into into one day we're going to put this book up on Amazon shortly. So where do people go? And Steve, thank you for writing the forward to it. Really appreciate that. You can go to Brad Thayer at X or Bradley Thayer at Get It In Truth. Thank you. The great thing about you, Thayer, you're both external. We can do all the geopolitics and you also identify the internal problem. So make sure you get familiar with Dr. Thayer's writing one of the bravest guys after today on the Great War before us. Thank you, sir. Mike Lindell. Been another another tough day. Think how President Trump feels. He's got the weight of the world on his shoulder, all I do is sit in front of a microphone and get great people on like yourself or scream. So it's pretty simple. He's got the weight of the world. 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