4.16. Freshy Fresh from Boston 2026!

What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara presented by Brooks Running. We are here, we're in Boston, this is the beautiful Fairmont. All kinds of action happening out there, but so much action happened on the course. Kara, you were on the call, let's get into it. Okay, I'm impressed by your energy right now. You ran across the desert, then you came to Boston being like, I don't know, I don't know how my legs are going to feel. And then you ran 235, which we will also get into today. Impressed by the energy right now, I gotta say. A lot of coffee. A lot of coffee. Well, the day was great. Super fast performances on both sides, men and women, big American breakthroughs, I think. But I think the weather really cooperated with this marathon. Yeah, let's just just go straight into that. This is cool. We got coverage of the finish line behind us. You guys probably already seen it on TV. I haven't seen any of it yet. So I'm like kind of looking out, but I'm gonna stay focused. Yeah, let's just start with the weather right away. This is, I mean, it's been the talk of the whole weekend. It's always the talk in Boston. I saw Josh Cox, an agent this morning, and he was like, it's for finally due for a good weather year has been forever. And I was like, last year was like pretty epic. The year before was pretty epic, but this was another notch. Like you ran in 2011 comparable, better, worse. What do you think? You know, I wasn't out there today, so it's hard to know for sure, but it just felt like, as you know, because you've run Boston so many times, one of the things I talked about on the broadcast was like how the weather can really make a difference here. If it's, if you have a headwind, if it's hot, if it's really cold, it just changes the way people race becomes much more tactical. But I think today people kind of got the green light to just a little bit go for broke, especially on the men's side. Yeah, it was like the perfect day to send it. If you've had perfect preparation, if you were ready to, you know, be able to charge up the hills and then still have legs after there was really no excuse to not go for it today. It seemed like it was perfect. And I want to dive into your race later, but for you, how did it feel out there? It felt great. Like, I mean, I think there was a handful of times where you're like, ooh, someone's going to complain about a headwind. I could feel a little breeze and then like a cup would roll by you from behind. And you're like, nope, nope, it's still a tailwind. So it was, yeah. And like, you could just tell people were being aggressive. It was, yeah, we're out hard. Everyone looked like they were like, this is, this is the PR day. It kind of felt like people knew they were like, this is the day to run fast in Boston. And like, this is the day to like capitalize on everything. Like it's the don't wait till next year. This is it. Well, it's so funny. I mean, I remember in 2011, people ran lights out fast. And then the following year, it was like, the pro field was insane because everyone was like, well, shit, Boston's fast. Like you can run really faster. It's a fast course. I want to get on that course. And then it delivered, you know, something gnarly. It was like a super hot day. Right. Yeah. So every year it's always a little bit different, but people just saw that one and they were like, Oh, Boston's crazy fast. And then sign me up. So we'll see next year will be interesting. It will be interesting. As we know, it's, it's rare to get this sort of tailwind, perfect temps, not too humid. No, all the things. And it wasn't too cold. I mean, I don't know. You can tell me, but it didn't seem like it was too cold on the starting line. Everyone looked like they wanted to get going, but they weren't like chivalry or anything like that. So it just looked like, like today's the day. I mean, like in the booth, we were like, people are going to rip today. And they did. Like, did you see that? Was it, was that from the gun? Is that how the racing was? Or was it, did it take a while and to like talk about the men, the women? Yeah, they were two totally different races. The men ripped from the beginning, from the beginning, they were just at it. They were, they were under course record pace at halfway with John queer, not even taking a moment in the lead at that point. So they just ripped like Rory link letter. Like they just went from the gun. And it was interesting because you thought like at first you were like, well, maybe these three guys, a few guys are going to like break away and just own this thing. But the pack just kept them close. And then they just closed it in. And there was a lot of lead change changes, but like everyone just sort of committed. And I saw Dan Lee Lohan agent and he said that there was a lot of talk about how like Rory and a few other people wanted to be aggressive. So everyone in their minds was like, we're, I'm going to have to commit early today. Right. And then he was like, and then there was all the talk about the weather being so good. So he was sort of like you, like the men were ready. They knew like, yeah, like this isn't a day that we're going to sit around and strategize and try to come from the second half. Like we're going to have to be committed and be in it from the beginning. Right. And that, that's really reminiscent of like the Ryan Hall effort in 2011, where he was like, I know you can get a tailwind here. And when I get that opportunity, I'm not going to waste it. He was on the gas like from the first step. It sounds like it was pretty, pretty similar type thing. Yeah, they were just ripping. And it was around 30 K where career made his move. And it was pretty swift. Like he, there was another guy that was leading at that point, just a little lead ahead. I'm just going to pull up the results so that I don't mess it up. But he, man, Gesha led for a little bit. And he was kind of an unknown territory. He had never raced here before. He's has a good PR, but it's from Berlin. And I kind of was like, ooh, I'm a little nervous that he's going there, you know, like he doesn't know what's ahead. And he ended up finishing 10th, actually. But he, so he kind of made a move. And then, and then yeah, John Creer just went and matched it and then just put the hammer down. Are you surprised people paid the price today? Like the way they did. Like I, you said Rory Linkwater was taken pulls at the front. Probably fell out of the top 20. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, but he's still in a brunny 206. Right. Okay. So time wise, you're like, yeah, it's like, I think, I mean, it was crazy because on the world feed broadcasts were really only focusing on the front. It's not a US centric broadcast. And you know, obviously with Brooks, I'm like invested in Clayton just as a person too. And the race finishes and I'm like, geez, Clayton fell off. Like I wonder how he did. And I'm like, oh, you're in 205. Right. Out of the top 10. Don't see it buried. I'm like, what? He was 11th in 205 41. So it was just one of those days where the times like just didn't even make sense. I mean, Creer ended up running 201 52. And just shattered that record that had stood for a Mu Ties record from 2011. Now do you make sense of these after if you're the athlete, if you're the coach, or you just like, this is new territory. I'm a 201 X guy now. Like that's how I race. Or do you respect the conditions a little bit? Or you just, I mean, it's something that we're not even thinking about it right now. We're celebrating and then we'll evaluate your fitness when you get back after a little break. I mean, I think everybody should fit should celebrate because they did run that time. But I do think, you know, sometimes you get these like everything comes together on the right day, the weather, the fields, you know, the wind at the perfect area. And so, you know, it's kind of like we I think that you face this when you were second in 2011 and you ran to 222 222 when people were like, well, she's not really a 222 girl, even though it's like, well, I mean, Boston is one of the hardest courses, you know what I mean? So I think there's that'll be a debate that we hear for a while after this is like, well, was it the wind or was it this or was it that? And I think sometimes there's just the perfect storm of like the men were going to be aggressive, the competition was there to be aggressive, the weather absolutely was there for it. And sometimes you just have days like this, the dreaded asterisk. Don't put it on there. Don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. Yeah. I mean, I just I think you take your confidence from it. You got the legs to spin that fast. I do think there's a question when you go into that next thing of like, how do I make that next step? Is it how do I replicate that to actually do this in different conditions? I mean, is Don career going to go to Chicago and say I'm ready to run sub 201? I mean, maybe never know. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, it was just such a good race. And then the race for a second was so good because it came down to Alfonso Simpou and Benson Kibirudo Benson, who's won here before, who won New York in a kick this past fall. And then Simpou, who won the world championship by two 100s of a second in a game. Yeah. And so it was funny because they were like, they were just together. And I would just said, you know, I'd actually, I didn't say this on air, but it reminded me of like being with you at the end of a marathon. I'm like, damn it. I'd rather be by anybody else right now than someone who's a good closer. But I was talking about how like they know each other are good closers and they came all the way down to the end. And you could just tell Simpou was waiting till right for the line. That's exactly what he did right before the line. He went past Kibirudo to get second, but I mean, they were 202 50 202 47 to 202 50, you know, third place 203 42 fifth place, Talby, the American 203 45. Yeah. So that wipes the American course record that yeah, that Connor Manton said Ryan Hall, Ryan Hall. Yeah. And Connor just missed it last year, I think. Did he get it? He I don't believe you got it. He just missed it for yeah. But obviously came back and ran the official record on the Chicago course. Talby is the eclipse. It was like yo, Oh, yeah, you're gone. I'm gone. Yeah. And he was really competitive. Like he he took the lead a little like maybe around 28 K or something. He briefly led, but he was looking really good. And then he kind of got tired towards the end, which is like understandable because he ran two or three. But I was like, Oh, that's that's like a name steak in the ground as we lead towards LA 2028. Yeah, you know, it's like, no, I'm for real Houston's not I know Houston's a fast course, but I'm legit. Yeah. You know, well, yeah, I mean, I think that's the thing is like from a competitive standpoint, he's finishing in the top five, you know, he's pushing for podium in the next one, right? Like that's that's something that's on his mind. He's had great results here before I want to say in the top seven. I think we talked about this on an earlier show, but yeah, he knows how to run this course. Yeah, that's a huge statement. And honestly, you feel for Connor Mance to have a day like today to know that like an aggressive run would have paid off. He loves that like man, what a that opportunity you're just like, I thought about that for him and Fiona O'Keeffe, like they woke up this morning and I don't know if you on the left after she had she had to pull out to her hamstring injury, but I know Connor Mance is here. They're probably like, come on. This is like, they're both aggressive front runners. They both like to just be in the mix. And I was like, that would be so hard to watch, you know, to watch. Yeah. But but saying healthy is the name of the game. Oh, that's a part of it, right? That's like a huge part of what it takes. But I also we mentioned Charles Hicks in our preview show and he had a great run. I just felt like he didn't make any crazy moves. You know, there was a lot of guys in the beginning sort of fighting for the lead and he didn't waste any energy doing that. He kind of sat back was never out of it, but was never like in full frontal picture, you know, just kind of like hidden. Yeah. And I mean, he ended up in seventh and two or four 35 young guy, second marathon, marathon. I was like, all right, Charles Hick. And he like, he could tell he just loves it the way he posts on social about it, the way he talks about it. He's like, I am a marathoner through and through like, this is how you marathon this is how you feel for a marathon. This is how the training runs like, like, yeah, brought you done one. Yeah. But are you sure? But he's got it. He's got it down. Charles Hicks knows what he's doing. So check out his content. It's really, it's really good. Yeah. And then there was a slew of Americans 11 12 13th with Clayton young, Ryan Ford, Joe Klecker. And like I said, I was like, what happened? Like it is Clayton. Okay. Well, he ran two of five 41. Yeah, which is faster than he ran last year. Ryan Ford two or five 46 Joe Klecker had a great last mile to close to be two or five 56 and 13th. And then Rory Link letter early leader was two of six, oh four. So it just was like that they like they kept coming in and I kept looking at the clock and I'm like, what is happening? What's happening? Do you know how many guys broke to 10? It was like 40 27 guys broke to 10. It's too optimistic. Okay, 27 is amazing. It's usually like, I don't know six. Yeah, right. Yeah, especially like given certain years, it's it's like six something years, maybe it's up to 15 but 27 guys. Yeah, it's broke to 10. So it was just insane. It was just like, but it was cool. It was cool to see the athletes know they had something special and go for it. Yeah, you know, because that's what it takes is like, yeah, guys, guess what? We have a great weather day. So we got to just go for it. Yeah, I have a funny thought, but I'm not going to say it. It's controversial. You should share it. I'll move on to the women has to do the three three jump and get it. So we'll just leave that there. Okay, we'll just leave that there. I actually have already had those thoughts. Okay. I haven't heard anyone yelling no, no, no yet, but it is interesting, isn't it? Okay, the women's race was very different. It was like a pack of Americans for so long. Who's the aggressors in that pack? Who's making the moves? Who's dictating things? Susanna Sullivan led and opened up a lead, then kind of got gobbled up and dropped and then came back again, went to the front again. Dakota Popain led for a little bit. I'm trying to think who else Annie Frisbee led before look, had he took her? Okay, like put the hammer down. So she was leading late and she looked so good. Like her form was perfect, but Jess McClain was just sort of always right there, but never quite like in the lead. And I at one point she was like in the lead with Annie Frisbee. I was like, this is new for her, right? Because Jess McClain usually runs her own race. It kind of comes in late. And here she is in the front of the Boston marathon. Like this is a new experience for her. She did miss a bottle and turned around and went back and got it. But very quickly, like and calmly worked her way back into the pack. It was actually impressive. She didn't freak out. She just took like three minutes to get back onto the pack. Smart. I think it's really smart. And I think that nutrition is such a big part of her game. Like she talks about it a lot and she knows the importance of it. And yeah, like to miss that is huge. Oh yeah. And it's going to sit on you mentally. But obviously making that decision is insane. Oh yeah. And it was like that, right? Like we showed it in slow motion and she went by and she just meet like she made it like that. But I have to tell you Cody Clevin who I've never heard of before today. So I am sorry, Cody. She ran at BYU. She led a ton of this race today. Interesting. She came in with a PR of 228 and she led so much of this race. And like we were like, who is she like doing research on the back end? Yeah. She ended up finishing 14th in 224.48. An arrival. Yeah. She's a debut. Do we know? No. She's run. I mean, I don't know if she's run at Boston. I don't think she's run at Boston before, but she ran 228 at CIM. So, okay. But still I was like, yeah, she's going for it. Right. You know, so there was so for such a long time, it was like all Americans. And then there was like this row of Kenyans. Chatting it up together. Just sitting in the back. And yeah, I, you know, it was like, I kept saying like they're, they're happy to let them lead right now. And but the Americans know they're there. Vestery was up there too. Like, I mean, there were so many American women up there. Hall was up there for a really long time. So they went through in 111. It seemed like 111.02. It's not crazy fast given the talent in the field. I think that the East Africans had to look at that and be like jog. Yeah. And what did, could you feel that? Was it like they're just waiting? Sharon look, look, Katie wasn't even breathing out of her mouth for all. I'm not joking. That's wild. Her, her mouth was closed for like so much of the race. Yeah. And you could see she was actually like chopping her stride a little bit. Cause when she went, she looked like a completely different athlete. Yeah. But we had talked a little bit at the beginning about her on the podcast about Lois Temnang who had run sub 64 minutes and who had run 218. And we talked about like, maybe she would get antsy. I was so impressed by her. She, she just waited and waited and waited. And then when locating made her move, she went with her and she was the one who held on the longest, but it was like, yeah, I thought that maybe she would make a mistake and she ended up running at like a champ. Yeah. I was always wondering if that, I just that first half's like in a damager. Right. You know what I mean? Like if you're a 64 woman, a one 111 is your, like that's a warm up pace. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, I think the patience on that is, is amazing. I mean, you called it because you called it at the live pot. I was like, she's going to blow up and you were like, well, she does, if they don't take it out too fast and I just was really impressed because she just wait. Like, I mean, and probably her coach told her like, do not pass Sharon. Okay. You know, keep your eyes on her back and then, but it would have been easy for her to be like, this is too slow. We're running 71 minutes through the half when I've run 64 and it's mostly downhill. Right. I'm going to stretch my legs and go for it, but she was very patient. But yeah, at one point, okay, he went and it was like, decisive and it, and it, yeah, so some splits. Okay. Well, she, she ran 441 mile and she ran 435 mile. Love that. And you know, we were translating it to caves because we're on the world feed, but I will never forget that I saw 441 and then 435 and it, what you could see. So the, the women who stuck right on her were Chem Nung and Irene Cheptai and they were running so hard. Yeah. So they all went with her at first. This is not sustainable. This is a move and you need for it to stop. I was like, I'm nervous for them because you could see it on their faces how hard they were running and they were like, like twisting in the upper body and Sharon was not. She finally started breathing through her mouth. Yeah. That was the only change. That was the only time I tell that she was running faster and just didn't go with that move. So Jess found herself in about seventh place, but I just was like, there is going to, nobody can stick to this. This is going to be bad for some of these people. And so it, it did it like blew it up and then, and then Cheptai and Chem Nung were hanging with her for a while and then she finally broke them. And for a long time, Chem Nung was in second and Cheptai was in third and then poor Cheptai had like a, just the last K from hell. Yeah. I mean, she, you could just see she was like just trying to stay on her feet. Cement shoes. Yeah. But what was cool was that Jess McClain went by her down Boylston and Jess McClain was like, perfect for me. Holding it together. And then it was actually really cute because she finished, you know, she ran sub two to 21. So she breaks the American course record here in fifth place. And then she's like, what just happened? She was like, what, like what just happened? Because her projected time the whole time was like 222. Like it was slower than that. But then when they got going, it was like, oh, she's going to run around 222. And then she ran, she ran to 2049. Did she leave anything in the bank? Like, are you looking, is she looking at that and going, like, I should have covered more of the move? Or is it like, this was, I extended myself. I just happened to have a kick there. Interesting to look at the splits. It would be interesting because from, I don't know what her splits were visually, she was smart. She was like, that is so hot. That is not something I'm going to do. But maybe because she ended up in fifth and she was 19 seconds out of fourth, which isn't that much. Right. You're looking at the podium going. Yeah. I mean, she could see them finishing, right? You're on the home stretch. You could see for sure third and fourth finishing. So I'm probably even second. But I think the what I'm excited about is that she, we talked about this on the live pod. I feel like she runs her race and she kind of sits back and then she like charges the end, but she like put herself in it today. Yeah. And maybe she's going to second guess, letting them go, but it was such an aggressive move. Like I was talking to Dakota Popain after and she's like, I can't just drop to a four or 35. Like that's just not a steal. That's my mile up here. So she was like, I have to think about like, like what's next for me? How am I going to combat a race like that basically? And I think that, I think Jess made the right move by being like, yeah, no, this is way too aggressive. Let it go. Yeah. Let it go. Maybe, maybe she could have been a tiny, but more aggressive for a couple of miles. And then she would have caught fourth and maybe even third. I don't know. But it also could flip the other way. Exactly. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's fun to question the things, but I think she ran incredibly smart and made all the right decisions she needed to make. I always talked to Jess before and it's like, just, just do Jess. Like you know yourself so well. You know what you need to do. Like you have these amazing like strategies that you just naturally seem to use. And so like just go be Jess. I mean, you're going to be so excited when you see that footage of her running down Boylston. She looks like she's running like a 5k. I mean, she is like in flight. Her form is perfect. She's up on her toes. Yeah. I was like, every kid should watch this. It was like amazing. But Miriam and Googie Cooper, who's been here many times, I was super happy for her because she kind of got dropped. But then she worked her way back and she, she came charging down Boylston as well, passing and just like coming in so strong. And she, you could see how happy she was. She was like celebrating. I mean, she's been on the podium so many times here. She said a rough couple years prior to this. And last year after Boston, she was just super disappointed and completely flipped over her coaching situation. New coach. So it's like, I got to start from ground zero, see if I can adapt to this. Had a great Chicago and then came in here and was like, I'm like light years ahead of last year. I mean, 2007. Yeah. And it's delivered. But that's amazing. Like it's just cool. Like she's had so much success. She's been on the podium, but she's like, I, this isn't enough. I want more. And then I'm starting to slip and she just turned it all upside down. And that's like huge risk. Yeah. Like you just doesn't always work out. A lot of times it doesn't work out. So very cool to see her get the podium and she, she seems so happy afterward. She was so happy. And I also just want to say, okay, you like ran so well. It was like a masterclass in how to run Boston. And it was kind of funny because she was so far ahead, but she just refused to back off. And at one point she like ripped off her arm sleeves and then she ripped off her gloves and then you're like, yeah, you can I was like, I was like, she is, she is throwing down and then she ripped off her headband with like a K to go. And I was just like, this is so cool. Like she wants to leave everything out there. And I cannot, I mean, this would have been a course record had she not won it in a course record last year. And that really came in the last five or six miles 111 at the half. Yes. That's a map. Like, I mean, just negative split. Like so many negative splits because it's leisure. Yeah. The first first half. Yeah. So it's that's incredible. The second half is so hard, right? So it was, it was awesome. And then I would just say like the American women, as you can see, yeah, I give a little not decision here. I think she deserves some credit. I think not talked about much in the build, which is kind of crazy. There's this tell you something. Yeah, I'm annoyed. Yeah, because I was watching interviews last night, and people were going up to her and they're like, so you're not a good hill runner. And I was like, why are you saying that? Yeah, like, we know she's run really fast in Chicago. That doesn't mean she can't run hills. Well, there was an interview like way back when Molly Huddle was getting started in the marathon. And it was like, system's going to be even better, but she can't run. And it was her coach, her coach was like, she's not a good hill runner. I'm like, she fucking kicks ass across like she's so good. Like New York, Boston, long cross country. That's what this is. I chatted with her this morning. And she was like, there's a she was working out in Phoenix. And there's a workout road that I use pretty frequently. It's very mimics it very similarly. And she was like, no, I was out there a few times and like, I could get the rhythm on it. Like I found it. I got it. I understand it. She's like, I feel good about it. And it was, I thought she ran great. I thought she ran great too. And I felt like it like maybe her coach started, but I felt like someone started this rumor years ago. And now it's like bonkers. So weird. And so she, she ran, she was ninth place, third American 222 39. Annie Frisbee was the second American in eighth 222 00. But yeah, it was just like Emily Sisson turns out is fine. And she ran well in New York too. Emily Sisson can run. Yeah, you heard it here to hear. I don't know when this rumor started that she can't run hills cause she just, just ride that in Carrie Ellwood, who I love, who baby's not called a few times when he was little while she was at CU big breakthrough for her. I think her PR was like 230 from Chicago years ago or 231. Yeah. She ran 222 53 to be 10th. Dakota Popain 2204 04 for 12th. Just slot me in 20 seconds binder. Yeah, exactly. So we know does if she had been in the elite field would run 224 24. Elena Hayday, who ran save the 10,000 224 45 and 13th and Cody Clevin, who again, I had never heard of 224 48. And then rounding out the top 15 Amanda vestry, a little sprint finish to 2449. No one wants to sprint at the end of the marathon on the men's side. It was like ridiculous for that second place. It was just like, this sucks. I was just going to ask that, like if you're the person who's sitting and you're just like, why am I procrastinating? I mean, you insane, you know, it's funny in that men's race, you could tell that Simbu was fine waiting, but he was just going to wait. And you could also tell that Kipuruto knew that try again, try again, try again. You could tell that Kipuruto was like, I know what you're doing, you know, and they came all the way and I was like, Oh, I guess Kipuruto is going to hold him off. And then so it was like, yeah, it's like, what a dick move. But also it worked great. Good job. Yeah. So just a flyer of a day. So fun. The energy is incredible. And I don't know, it just felt like with the weather and everything teeing up, it was going to be a fun one. I think, can we say the Americans have arrived? They've made a statement. Yeah, I mean, I feel like the men, this is a real, I feel like both sides, like the times are great. They put themselves in the mix. The American women were really in it for a long time. And, you know, we had got some criticism that we said that the Americans couldn't win, but I felt like they still needed to learn more. And I feel like today was a great step towards next time. Right. It's like, okay, the big thing for me is it's two things. And it's the questions valid. I totally get it. But also like, okay, when Liketti makes that move, who can do that? And that's what I'm looking at. Who can like, that's what you need to be able to do. And I don't know that there's anyone right now that can drop 443, right? Whatever it is, like, I just don't see that. And same thing on the men's side, John career comes in, having run whatever he ran in Valencia and took that big swing in Chicago, it's like, he's going to make it stick with the weather. Like, so what Americans run 201, whatever. The second thing is in every conversation, every interview with the Americans, and this is the big thing for me, the big takeaway, not a single person said, I'm here to win it. Everyone said top five would be my goal on a perfect day, or podium on a perfect day. If Clayton sat in an interview and said, I'm here to win my training has been great, I would go look at I would say, he's got something, something changed. Yep. You go look at Strava, you're like, they've unlocked something, something's changed. And then I go, he's got a chance. Right. You know, but I didn't hear that yet from anyone. But I think that this, and I totally agree with you, and I know that we got criticism, like not just at the pod, but like we got some, I at least I saw some criticism about our take on that. But it's not because I'm criticizing the Americans, it's because you have to make this next step. Now, I do feel like that happened today for a lot of men and women. And now it's like, okay, now I've run 220 or I've run 221 or I've run 222, I've run 205 or I've run 204. Now, how do I develop the being able to go to 435? You know, how do I develop? Okay. Now I know I can run this really fast pace. Now, how do I become an even better athlete so that this pace is comfortable now? And I know I can do it. And now I have to be able to shift gears late in the marathon. How do I win? How do I win? And so I think like, I'm excited because I feel like they took that step, right? You know, and I feel like next time we can talk about, okay, yeah, this person developed a lot of skills last year. Let's see what they do this year. You know, yeah, I think that's an exciting thing outcome from today. It's just huge leaps forward. A lot of confidence unlocked. And yeah, it will be fun to sit down on the next one and see if there's someone who says, I've been trying to figure out how to win. I think I can win and this is what I've been working on. And then you go like, okay, yeah, that's a different story. Yes, that's totally different. I agree. Okay. Now, what do we got? We got you. We got me. Because it does. Yeah, you ran across the desert. I did. You ran your longest run ever also in your biggest weekly mileage ever also across the sand also with a backpack on you. Your hips were a little sore. Your back was dead. Yeah, you were here and you're like, I don't know. My legs are like, they're they're a little heavy. They're not feeling super great. Hopefully it's going to open up. You were going to run with Ryan, but you were like, he might just have to leave me. And then Chris texts me right after I get off air and he's like, does just went by me at mile 25 and she is flying. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. So then I looked at you and I'm like, Oh my gosh, you ran 235. Yeah, buddy. But the bonus time. Yeah. I mean, how great. Talk us through everything. Oh, no, first tell us about what happened when you were at the start. Oh my god. Crazy morning. Crazy morning. Wildest story ever. It's been a wild weekend. There's other stories, but I can't even talk about them. But this morning I got to shoot off the gun. He's like, are you lefty or righty? Do you have a strong trigger finger? I was like, I got this. You're like, back away. I feel like I did a great job. But on the way over, I'm walking over there. There's all kinds of people around this woman walks by and she's like, Oh my god, Dad's, hey, it's Chelsea. And I'm like, Hey, Chelsea, good luck out there. I didn't even say that. I was just like, Hey, hey, Chelsea. And then the man next to me from the BAA was like, that's Chelsea Clinton. And I was like, I'm so embarrassed. You need me as your counselor because I would be like, stop that. Chelsea Clinton, let's get a photo. She's a fan of yours. Some respect. Some respect, Dez. So my apologies, Chelsea Clinton. I hope you had an amazing day. I heard that your parents were able to give you your medal in the public library afterwards. Very special, very cool that the stars run in Boston. Very cool. Oh my god, how embarrassing. I was like, Exits. The fact that Chelsea Clinton is a Dez fan is like so amazing to me in the fact that you blew her off. It's set it on my shirt. It's like the name bib just like gives me so much confidence. And like, yeah, that's right. Okay, nice. Chelsea, Chelsea. Oh, okay. So I that story is amazing. So okay, so you, you shot the gun, you send the pro women off and then you were in wave one, the back of the roll one experience. Yeah. The trauma of not being on the start line with the gun goes off. What did it did the gun go off? Are we going? What's going on? Like it was super weird. And we're like, I think they're starting like we're just so far back. Yeah. And then it was like we were placed probably a little bit inappropriately. Wait, how did you end up back there? They didn't just like slide you and Ryan in. They were they did, but the back they were like, Oh yeah, we'll get you in because if had we been left to our own devices, I would have been like, let's start like moving up or like we'll just go and see if they'll put us on the front. Right, right. I mean, I feel like VIP for life. So yeah, this was low level VIP. You're like, this is enough to my standards. I'll make a difference for next year. Give me like a VIP room that was warm. There was chairs, there was snacks and they're like, just wait here until three minutes before them. And we'll put you in. I was like sick. And then they put us in the back of the car. Which was fine. We managed to fine tune for 20, 27. Sure. You know what I had a moment where I was like, I'm always like angling and like, how long can I work this thing forever? Yeah, but they do a jet flyover and I'm like, I just want to be in the jet one year. You're not going to get in the jet. We're like, I'll do a photo and be like, yay. We're in the booth and the jet flew over. It's like so loud. And then this is the thing about television. They're like, so we're going to go back and show the jet flyover and pretend like it's just happening now. I'm like, we just rattled in here. We know it's not live. That's hilarious. Okay. So you, you get in there and then, so they start running and you're just sort of standing and then finally you get to start running. Yeah. Hey, get over here. Come say hi. Yeah, just come say hi. Okay. Well, we just saw Mary K. Shea who obviously coordinated the mastermind. Yeah. Behind the field. The most amazing fields. Okay. So you get up there, you finally cross the finish line. So is this the first time in your life you, or yeah, Starline, is this the first time in your life you've had a different chip time than finish time? Probably. Yeah. That's probably that, that's significant of a, Oh, see, like people are going to love this. Yeah. She's just like, one of us. Yeah. So it did take a while. And then, and then it was like probably six 20 pacers in front of us. So we, I think, I think Ryan probably could have had a better day, not a ton better. Like he was pretty close to his goal. But we spent a lot of time like weaving and then also like, Oh, you got a surge by this group because there's a gap and then like settle in and then, Okay, there's a gap like surge. So there's, it was very fart licky for like probably three, four miles at least. So you didn't have fluids out on course. Did you know I wore a belt? I brought my own. Yeah. So that's new too. Self sufficient. I did take some cups. I took some water. I'm terrible at nutrition unless there's tables. So I took one packet of goo rock team and had that 5k 10k. So I finished a bottle, 10k. And then I took one gel at 15k. And then I was like, I'm over this. So that was it. Okay. So tell me, because you looked great when you're out there, but you were like, I didn't feel good. No, I mean, which isn't totally surprising based on what you put your body through. It's fair, but it is surprising because you're on 235. Yeah, it was kind of funny. I think I probably warmed up around mile 18, which is like kind of hilarious, but also Ryan, I think was feeling it, which happens a lot. And he would be like 445 for, you know, 47. I was like, I can't run any faster than 550. So if you're feeling it by all means, like, I'm not trying to be a dick, like go have your day. And then a little bit later, like probably a mile, that's about halfway. He was like, Oh, like, I don't, I'm not, I'm not feeling it. So then I led a good amount in the 550 range, like lows. Yeah. And then both of us, after that long climb before the Newton Hills, we're like really not feeling this like, I was like, whatever, he actually stopped to stretch. We stopped to stretch for a little bit. And I was just like, whatever, we're just out here having fun. Like remember, we can just like, have fun, you know, and he was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then we made the right hand turn at the fire station. And there was a man with a Miller light. And I was like, Ryan, let's party. And I grabbed it, and I cracked it open, I drank a bunch. And then some guy in front of me was like, Can I have some? And he drank a bunch of it. And then Ryan got it. And then he drank a bunch of it. And then we like got fired up in the little turning point. Then the legs woke up. And I was like, Okay, okay. So we know you finished ahead of Ryan. So where was the point where you were like, babe, love you, but I'm going to go ahead. It was not exactly like that. We ran at least like right together to 18 ish. And then, you know, it's kind of encouraging him a little bit. And just like, okay, stay patient, like keep your eyes up. Like this is when you stop to like stretch this, obviously the groups go by. And we caught them at that point. I was like, This is your group, like these are the same people, like you're moving really well. So I was just kind of like chatting with him a lot. And he's like, Yeah, I got it. And I was like, Understood. Understood. I am now annoying. Yeah, for sure, which I totally get. And like, Okay, so then I was just like, I'm just going to run in front of him. And just he'll be fine or he won't. Yeah, he's he can figure it out, not like giving up on him. But he can figure it out from here. Like he's he knows what he's doing. So it's probably 20 where he really like, lost sight of me a little bit. But yeah, for for about 20 miles, we're together. And what was it like being out there running fast, but not running in the elite field, you know, like you're just running passing people, like you said, you didn't even get to start when the gun went off, you're like, weaving through people, you're having to move around people. I'm not saying you're elitist, I'm just saying like, that's just such a different experience from a year ago. So what was great about it? What sucked about it? Yeah, it was, it's honestly, it was fun to run like with the community, like the running community, which is really cool. And it was like, it's still like a unique thing, because I have the name bib, and then I have a bib on the back. This is 2018, like, which obviously didn't qualify at that spot. This was chosen. So there's still like things that like, you're symbolic kind of. And so I like, I got a lot of cheers or people being like, yeah, like sick, we're running with Dez, like, which is really cool. But that's still unusual for most people. I think the early couple miles, I was like, well, I don't know why anyone would do this when I was weaving through people. But when we had space and we were running, and it was going, you know, like typical, a little bit more, I was like, this is really fun, just mixing it up with people who are out there chasing their goals, like they're getting stoked to like, run with groups and like, let's share some miles, let's go. And you're like, that's fun. What was it like coming down Boylston? It was, I was just happy to be done. Yeah. Yeah. That's always special. And the finish line is always special. I was chasing a time. So I was like, cognizant of the clock. And I knew we had that little walk break or stop break. And I paused my watch. Oh, no, and then it didn't restart it. No, I did. But I didn't know like how long it was. So I was like, I'm really close to this. Yeah. Time. So I was like, kind of hustling. And then I finished and Mary Kate and Jack were like, super nice. But I was like, hurting, like I was like ready to vomit. They're like, wow, you got really competitive. I was like, I know, I want to know when you saw the times. Yeah. If you were like, Oh, maybe this should have been my last year here. No, I mean, I still had a place terribly like I've, I think I have a gauge in like how fast how fast it ran today. And even if I was like, Oh, well, last year around this fast and I adjusted to run this fast, like I still would have finished, you know, like not competitive. I don't know. 20 seconds off Dakota. Right, which is I think it was 16th last year. 1816. This was like top out of the top 10. It's just sort of like, I just had that thought for you. I was like, you ran so great last year. You ran 226 last year. And I was like, Oh man, like it's and it was a good weather year, but today was just like so great. I was like, Oh, it'd been so great for her to come out here and run 224 in her last run through here. Yeah. And then people would have been like, Well, why are you stopping? You just went to 24 because it's Yeah, true. It was cool to see you out there in a different capacity. And yeah, I mean, are you exhausted? I'm pretty beat. I got a rally pretty hard for CB on Sunday. But so fun. So fun to take part of. And like just getting to run with Ryan, even though he got sick of me a little bit, it was really fun. And then he was just smiling so big at the end, like he hadn't run in a marathon in so long. And he's given so much to my goal and my career and all of those things. It was like, I just want to do as much as I can. So this is an awesome experience for you. He seemed so happy. So sweet. Yeah. So my exhaustion levels do not matter. That's right. You're just happy. Okay, any other thoughts about today? I mean, I don't know, it was just like a crazy day. Yeah. Yeah. What are you, what are you thinking about the experience? How was the call? Did you feel like it was? Was it a good one? The call? Yeah, I had a lot of fun. You know, I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what people will think. I don't really care. You know, like the producer was pumped and he was like, can we sign a contract for New York right now? So I mean, it was fun. But it was fun. I really like working with Paul Swongard. He's great. He's super great to work with. We have just like good work chemistry. He knows when to tee me up. He knows, you know, he really always like will let me he encourages me to speak on my experience. And I'm uncomfortable talking about myself on the broadcast. So he does a really good job of like, what is this like, and tell us what that feels like. And so I really like the crew here that I work with. It's usually the same crew at New York too. And J Holder was our, he's a sats guy here. So that's different than New York, but he's, you know, he knows the sport so well. It was, it was just really fun. It's fun to be with people that like love the sport so much. Yeah. So it was a great day. I had a lot of fun. So do you think London will top this experience? Because that's where we're off to next. How can we make it bigger, better, more fun? You know, I've never been to the London marathon. Me either. So, so I'm excited to just see it. You know, I know that it's like a very different experience. It's a course that kind of like figure eights and you get to see people and I mean, you're going to be running it. I'm going to just be a spectator there. I'm not working it. So I'm excited to see it because I've heard about it my whole career and I, you know, it just never worked for me to go there. I, when I was healthy in the spring, I was wanting to run Boston. Yeah. So I'm excited to just see what it's like. There's so many things that Boston does that just have like special touches, like the fact that if you've won, you have your first name on the bib, the fact that the reeds are flown in from Greece, you know, there's something else that we were talking about today. Just these like unique special things that Boston does. The mile markers are on the ground all year long. The finish line is there all year long. Yeah. It's just like, it has so many great traditions and I don't know the traditions of London, but I am excited to see what it's like for me just seeing the energy and because Boston is a big city, but a small big city, like there's, you know, everyone's just sort of condensed a weekend long and there's something about that that's really special. Right. It feels like a reunion. It does. I left the production meeting last night at five and sprinted over to the Berkshaw House to run with the future run program. There's all the, and it's raining hard. There's all these people still at the finish line. They're booming music. And so I think what that, I think Boston has a lot of things that are just like really special to Boston. I'm excited to see what makes London special. Absolutely. And we'll have a live show. We will. With special guests. Special guests. Yeah. Submit your questions. We won't get to ask them. We won't get to ask them. We'll pretend. But we are excited to talk to her. That'll be amazing. And hear more about her running and also her coach will be joining us too. So that'll be fun. Very excited to get Erica Camp on the show and pick her brain about the training process and the coaching process and all those things. So don't miss that one. And that wraps up this Freshly Fresh, I believe. Yeah, Freshly Fresh.