Giggling about couples counseling, clams, and condoms
51 min
•Feb 17, 20262 months agoSummary
Two comedians discuss reality TV culture, including a deep dive into America's Next Top Model's problematic practices, the ethics of reality TV editing, and personal anecdotes about fashion week, touring, and relationship dynamics. They also debate oysters vs. clams and discuss various celebrity gossip including Cardi B, Stefan Diggs, and JFK Jr.
Insights
- Reality TV viewers struggle to separate edited narratives from reality, creating a unique disconnect compared to scripted entertainment where audiences can detach from characters
- The success of reality TV depends on conflict and 'villains'—removing them creates a narrative vacuum that another villain must fill, making the show format inherently dependent on drama
- Reality TV contestants, often young and without agent representation, lack power to refuse uncomfortable or traumatic filming situations due to employment power dynamics
- Strategic gossip is a form of social warfare where women intentionally leak information through specific people to ensure it reaches intended targets
- Cooking and domestic labor are being used as relationship maintenance tools, with partners outsourcing meal preparation when primary partners don't meet expectations
Trends
Reality TV reckoning: Retrospective criticism of exploitative practices during COVID lockdowns when audiences rewatched classic shows with fresh perspectiveDiversity in modeling: ANTM pioneered inclusive casting but later abandoned merit-based selection for manufactured drama and sensationalismAthlete superstitions around sexual activity: Male athletes avoiding intimacy before competition due to perceived performance impact (gendered phenomenon)Circular stage comedy venues: Growing adoption of 360-degree audience configurations creating unique performer-audience dynamics and navigation challengesOlympic condom distribution as souvenirs: Athletes collecting branded contraceptives as memorabilia rather than for intended use, creating misleading consumption statisticsSibling fame leverage: Reality TV contestants' family members leveraging inherited fame to launch mainstream careers without reality TV exposureStrategic reunion appearances: Reality TV veterans using reunion episodes to plant narratives and control storylines before editing occursCold plunge amenities as social currency: Luxury building features becoming social invitation mechanisms and relationship maintenance tools
Topics
America's Next Top Model exploitation and ethical concernsReality TV editing and narrative manipulationCouples counseling and relationship red flagsFashion Week attendance and stylingOlympic Village culture and athlete behaviorStand-up comedy touring experiencesCelebrity relationship drama and infidelityReality TV contestant power dynamicsGossip networks and strategic information sharingDomestic labor and relationship maintenanceModeling industry diversity initiativesWinter Olympics safety and injury coverageJFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy docuseriesShellfish preferences and marketingSocial media algorithm recommendations
Companies
Prime Video
Mentioned in opening ad read as offering entertainment including action films and exclusive content
HBO Max
Advertised as home to Game of Thrones prequel series A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms
The CW
Network that aired America's Next Top Model across 25 seasons
Revlon
Referenced for 'Get the London Look' campaign featuring gap-toothed models, contrasting with ANTM's gap-closing mandate
People
Tyra Banks
Creator and host of America's Next Top Model; subject of critical documentary examining her role in exploitative prac...
Jay Manuel
ANTM judge who quit after 10 seasons; documentary reveals psychological abuse allegations and strained relationship w...
Cardi B
Rapper discussed as career inspiration; referenced for success trajectory from Love & Hip Hop to Grammy-winning artist
Stefan Diggs
NFL player who dated Cardi B; referenced for 'let me heal you' comment predicting relationship issues
Lewis Hamilton
Formula 1 driver discussed for height; confirmed to be 5'7" rather than tall as previously assumed
Kim Kardashian
Reality TV to mainstream crossover example; took 20 years to transition from reality to acting
Eva Longoria
Cited as successful reality TV to mainstream transition; acted before and after Housewives appearance
George R.R. Martin
Author of Game of Thrones; referenced for bestselling source material for HBO Max prequel series
Jason Momoa
Actor in Prime Video's The Wrecking Crew action film mentioned in opening ad read
Dave Bautista
Actor in Prime Video's The Wrecking Crew action film mentioned in opening ad read
Colton Underwood
Bachelor winner whose season is discussed; referenced for stalking allegations and reunion walkout
Lisa Ren
Reality TV personality strategically bringing up sensitive topics at Traitors reunion to control narrative
JFK Jr.
Subject of Ryan Murphy docuseries; discussed for 1990s lifestyle and relationship with Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy
Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy
JFK Jr.'s wife featured in Ryan Murphy series; known for avoiding press and living private life despite fame
Daryl Hannah
Actress who dated JFK Jr.; known for role as mermaid in The Splash
Ryan Murphy
Producer of JFK Jr. docuseries and multiple serial killer shows; known for prolific output and collaborations with Kim
Shonda Rhimes
Referenced as gold standard for prolific TV producer; compared to Landman/Yellowstone creator
Dane Cook
Comedian whose circular stage HBO special is referenced as iconic; discussed for plastic surgery rumors
Michael Kors
Fashion designer whose show was attended; mistaken for Michael Bolton by NYC street encounter
Candace Rice
Traitors contestant voted off; removal left show with quieter personalities and less compelling drama
Quotes
"if you're under 27 you should not be going to couples therapy get a new man"
Hannah (Giggly Squad host)•Early in episode
"I have to slam a door at least once every fiscal quarter, I have to get really pissed like every three months"
Jeannie (Giggly Squad co-host)•Couples therapy discussion
"committing social suicide like this might show her how much I love her"
Norwegian Olympian (quoted)•Infidelity announcement discussion
"you don't want it to feel perfect that's so boring so boring"
Jeannie•Relationship dynamics discussion
"Oysters have incredible PR... the whole aphrodisiac sets them light years apart"
Hannah•Oysters vs clams debate
Full Transcript
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I was trying to think of couples counseling. Stop my lip. I can't. Anyway, in one of her exercises one time, and I think it was the moment that I was like, this guy is not for me. She was like, turn all the lights off and for 30 minutes lay in bed and stare at each other. And I was just like, no. Can I have a hot take? yeah if you're under 27 yeah you should not be going to couples therapy get a new man i actually have an even hotter take not to outdo you but i think going to couples counseling or therapy even like before you're married is like a little bit of a red flag i mean and people are like no no no it's really good right before you get married like to be able to talk to each but i am almost like everyone has their different different idea of love some people love to them is fighting for it and being like this clearly isn't a fit but I love this person I'm gonna try to make it work out and that's like I need a little bit of jealousy and like a little bit of like yeah no it's good have a little bit I need like a little bit of fighting yeah you don't want it to feel perfect that's so boring so boring you love to slam a door I have to slam at least once every fiscal like quarter i have to get really pissed like every once every three months where i'm like i'll leave you have to threaten yeah yeah no you have to you have to you have to just keep them scared um i have to make a quick update yeah i apologize i said that lewis hamilton was tall i i don't know what i talk about when i speak about men i just assumed i don't know what came over and one thing about me you can never assume a man is anything yeah and turns out he's five nine on google which means he's five seven so he's not tall right but neither is kim but we're praying for good things for him kim is like five two tiny five two and a half on a good day speaking of men um we didn't get to talk about it last week because we had recorded a little bit early but the olympian who cheated on his girlfriend and told the world so i screenshotted to actually get the data correct well I screenshotted because the quotes are so insane he's a Norwegian um Olympian he won bronze he said I told her a week ago and it's been and it's been the worst week of my life I had a gold medal in life and there's probably a lot of people out there who look at me differently now but I only have eyes for her sports has taken a bit of a back seat these past couple of days. Yeah, I wish I could share this with her. I'm not ready to give up. I hope that committing social suicide like this might show her how much I love her, which that's just like insane. I accept the consequences of what I've done. I regret it with all my heart. Maybe I'm dumb as a rock. Maybe I'm a member of Mensa, but I still do stupid stuff. This is a Wendy. It's giving Erica Jane, he was shot. Tom was shot. And then he rolled his ankle. What did she say? Tom was in a car accident. Okay, so the messed up part about this is like, this girl did not want to be a part of this narrative. Here's my thing. I'd be like, as soon as you told the whole world. She was actually trying to work it out with what they think and figure out where they stand. and he just word vomited to the world. But you know what? This is a classic like you feel guilty. Don't make it everyone's problem. If I were her, I would stay gone. I mean, that is so embarrassing. It's embarrassing. It's also very clear that he has zero regulation to his own emotions. Who gets in front of live TV and just says, actually, can I get something off my chest really quick? I guess in his head he thought it was like a rom-com moment, like a guy with a radio outside of someone's house like in the 80s power of women bronze well that's what i was gonna say no one's coming back when you got a bronze babe third place that's not even second third place that's barely you had a grab no like you barely made it you barely you were they were like skin your teeth yeah so these winter olympians can I just say no I can't watch the violence anymore like people are getting guillotined like I'm watching I'm obsessed with it and I will turn on any sport did you watch the Lindsay Vaughn like when she really crashed no I'll like puke I have I'm an empath you know it's funny it's like I was with a group of people and I was like we could watch it like right now on tv and everyone was like I have to look away and I was like what we have to watch they were too nervous for her and then she like lost a leg yeah so i have these i love these winter sports because they do these insane jumps when i tell you they're building things with like i wouldn't even stand on these things might as well slide all the way down and then jump up and these girls are so badass like in another life i wish i was like a cool ski girl like yeah jumping around but when they fall they have to bring the camera away because they don't know if the person's dead or not no like they're jumping like crazy and they land on their fucking head and they have to get the camera away because someone's just lying there like not moving and you have to there's always like five minutes of like are they alive or not the freaking girl on the half pipe thing landed on the side of the half pipe and like almost guillotined her body in half and i'm just trying to watch it nice sport i'm just trying to get through the day and i feel like the summer Olympics is not like this at all. They're just like jogging. Right. And these ones, at least they get to jump in a pool every once in a while. They're doing something called the butterfly. It's very beautiful. Yeah, they're getting a tan while they do it. And these people too, it's such niche sports that like they can't do it for a living. So these guys and women have like full-time jobs. Like they're like, she's a teacher by day and at night she does the double luge. Have you seen the, we need to do Hannah Page try the double luge. You just have, you put someone on a luge and then someone just sits on them. Who was like, you know what would make this better? If I can feel the weight of another human. That's actually your nightmare. That's my nightmare. The luge. And the physical touch. Being in that close of quarters and your bodies have to be on the same timing. And the outfits don't. No, they don't. Well, they don't give. Not one sparkle. No, I meant like they're so tiny. Oh, yeah, there's no room for error. Yeah, there's no, like, comfiness. You can't bloat without, there's no forgiveness. Anyway, how was your fashion week? Hi, how are you? How are you? My fashion week was good. I actually didn't do much this year because, well, I didn't want to. I was like, you know what? I have to go. But my Trasimé stuff was so fun, and I went to the Christian Siriano show. But other than that, I really was like, I don't. You posted a cool outfit with like a zebra skirt today. Yeah, I just was bobbing around town to like different stuff. Oh, okay. That was just an outfit. That was just like me on a Tuesday. See, I love that outfit. Thank you so much. I also love an outfit that you have coming out shortly every Wednesday. What? You have an outfit that you're going to wear soon that's really good. Oh, yeah, I do. Stay tuned. Okay, so I sent Hannah an outfit picture of something for like in a couple weeks. and Hannah texted me back and she was like look I don't know if you want to hear this but I love it she's like I don't know what that means but uh take it as you will I think it's gorgeous the fact that I would wear the shit out of it like I don't know if that's gonna turn you off from it but I just I'm very excited I think it makes you look gorgeous um I saw Michael Michael Kors yes how was that he's amazing I didn't get to see him but that was also my fault I didn't go to the after party because I have social anxiety but they put me next to Teffy and Brittany Broski so you had a good seat incredible seat but for some reason I was like where I was sitting when everyone was walking in I was like the first person people were seeing so like I became like the host I became like the greeter and they were like really famous people to their seats. Mary J. Blige comes walking and sees me and I go, hi, Mary. And then I'm like, am I supposed to get her water? Like I'm, I became the, like, I also think I have a welcoming face. Like I was in a good mood. No, you have an approachable, welcoming face and aura. So I was like, guys, I can't talk right now. I'm welcoming people into the show. So that was fun. But it was a very cool group of people. Yeah. it looked it just just really badass women and how'd you feel about your outfit and your hair and makeup like well people like went nuts over the trench coat i do have to say i think back in my day i was like i hate when people just say like i look good love it love when you guys wouldn't wouldn't didn't i say that back in the day i don't know but like what a crazy difference between you and i i was like look you want to be seen for more of your art basically the gigglers are so funny on my page and they still find a way to like make it funny but they are complimenting me and I feel like they loved the trench I can't respond to them because I'm like god forbid anyone ever screenshots this but like they're so funny they entertain each other and they'll be like wait guys these comments are really good and then it keeps flowing like I got crazy momentum of the funny comments on the trench coat one and the different ways they find to like compliment me like what do I do to deserve this? Like I always feel like I'm not worthy. But the giggers loved it. Imposter syndrome. I love a trench. Because I feel, first of all, you cinch it. That's why we're sitting at this table today. To really emphasize. Well, there's something with a trench. It really makes you, you feel investigative. No, you feel professional. You also feel like you have secrets. Yeah, you feel like I have, clearly I have a schedule. Yes, you're on the move. So you say like, schedule. Schedule. You know, it's like I'm in a trench and I'm in a trench. In case it rains, I am prepared. Like you just I just felt really prepared. I also think my fashion would be better if I wore things that made me uncomfortable. OK. And I happen to find that trenches are so fucking comfortable. Trench also gives like lost baby or dog coming up to you. Like if you're lost, you're going up to the person in a trench. And I'm pulling out like anything. A notepad. A notepad in San Diego. Yeah. Yeah, you have like a pen and a notepad and you're ready. I actually also, when I was outside, there's always like fashion photographers. And they kind of came out of nowhere because sometimes they don't come. And then sometimes they do a little. This was crazy. And I think because I'm late all the time, like they all were bored. And then they all started attacking me. I accidentally FaceTime Lois. So I'm holding my FaceTime, all these cameras. I hear Lois, what's happening? She was like, Hannah, are you okay? And then Lois. Like you FaceTimed Lois iPad or something Or Lois mom Oh oh okay And her mom was like yeah not today Hannah She like it your aunt Did I tell you that I was hanging out with Lois and I wasn't wearing a lot of makeup? And then I did put on makeup and an outfit and I walked in and Lois, you know she's observant. You're all excited. She looks at me and she's like... And she says, I don't know where she learned this word, she goes, I'm concerned. That's my child. That's my baby. When I visited, she goes, Hannah, remember when you put on makeup and that outfit and I was concerned? Jeannie fell off the table. What was she concerned about? She doesn't know what concern means, but she knows it fits. She knew what it meant, as in she didn't like it. I think it was jarring that I suddenly had a different outfit on and she didn't like it. It's like when your dad shaves his beard and you're a baby and you can't figure it out. Exactly. So now when I put an outfit together, I send it to Lois and Lois liked the trench. Oh, good. Wait, I'm obsessed with that. That's so sweet. That's so sweet. And I was getting my makeup done and she was, I have a daughter. Yeah. And she was on FaceTime and she was obsessed with watching them put makeup on me. She's the girliest girl. I mean. Seeing kids, like seeing things through kids eyes for the first time. It's like I get the whole motherhood thing. Yeah. I'm like, no, I get it. 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I do have one thing I've been watching um TikToks of Cardi B's concert and I have decided that I I want to go to that concert you know Cardi B's my everything like I need to go to it do you know that when I first got on reality tv and people were like this is like not a good idea I used Cardi B as an example of what I wanted to be well Cardi B was on Love and Hip Hop and now she's the number one selling rap artist wait that's so true and i was like you do the math and they were like i don't know how you have to do with cardi b and i was like we're both from new york the song she's playing at the concert was what i pre-gamed to like my whole 20s of like socializing i feel like revolved around cardi b oh she's so good and she is like you can't look away from her as a performer And I googled her the other day We're the exact same age Really? And that made me feel really inadequate I was like she has three babies Multiple Grammys She went to the Super Bowl Broke up with her boyfriend At the Super Bowl She's busy What was that? She's busy Oh yeah I don't know But I'm on her side whatever happened No I'm on her side And all I can think about was And I don't know why this quote is sticking out in my head But Stefan Diggs, like when they first started dating, said, like, let me heal you. And I knew in that moment that he was going to do some really crazy shit. Also, how do you find time to cheat during football season? I mean, I guess that's what they do. But like, it's exhausting. It's like, yeah, I don't know when men have like jobs also like so public. So public. It's like, wow, you really don't give a fuck. No. And you knew Cardi B was going to find out. So anyway, I want to give her money and go to her concert. I would love to. let's go to let's see cardi i'm gonna look up some like not right now do it after the pot actually i'm gonna look it up right now no i was going to my notes which refresher are you drinking i have the strawberry dragon fruit refresher with sparkling water love i have the mango pineapple refresher with less concentrate and green tea i drink a lot tonight i also watch something i feel like i'm like ahead of the game wait i watched the entire tyra banks no i was documentary if that's what it is on the plane started it i started it earlier holy shit okay break it down i have so many thoughts first of all i didn't realize how much i watched it yeah because every clip i recognized a girl yeah i know that like these girls were iconic like when chandy cheated on her boyfriend also i wanted to note when was this like 2010 like when did it start no no earlier okay yeah 2000s no girls had filler right or botox right especially in their 20s it was a crazy time where every people had small lips yeah people had like people had like a certain shaped chin yeah and it actually like made me yearn for that time of like if they did america's next time model now all the girls would look similar that's very true and yeah it's like oh she's she's a brunette or she has black hair she's short she has long hair but a lot of girls have just the same beauty ideal now where back then she would find these girls that you're like unique looking and then next thing you know you're like they're a supermodel yeah so the craziest thing from it was basically and there's so many crazy things first of all wait how many parts there's three episodes okay the craziest thing is that tyra is like narrating but it's kind of a hit piece on Tyra and Tyra doesn't know like Jay Manuel basically says he tried to quit after 10 seasons and she basically responded saying like I'm disappointed and they were best friends and then he ends up the network begs him to come back he's like fine she doesn't talk to him not on camera the entire time so then they go Tara what happened with Jay and she's like I'm not talking about it she won't talk about it in the documentary documentary so something happened he basically was like i was psychologically abused after that um but no the tea is crazy but then from the woman who brought us hot ice cream also people don't talk enough about miss j do you remember miss j the runway extraordinaire that chemistry of the three of them was just magical and then they threw in nigel barker who's like the hottest australian guy and they were really magic but Tyra pitched this show from just an idea of like, I want to show that the modeling industry can be open to more diversity. Yeah. And it's not just this one look. She really was like the pioneer of that, though, I will say. So a lot of the stuff that she had dealt with in the industry, people think like she wasn't fully healed from it all. And then she was trying to like solve it and fix it. I definitely didn't realize back then that the show was her idea. I always thought she was just the host and then she became a producer. She pitched everyone and they all said no. She made so much money off of that show because it's in every country. Every country, yeah. Then I started realizing it got to the point after it got so popular, they just had to make things crazier and crazier. And it stopped being about creating great models. It was just for crazy moments. And also, they're clearly not picking the best photos from these photo shoots. Like they'd pick a photo and be like, your neck looks bad, your hand looks bad. I'm like, then don't pick that photo. Like as someone who's done a photo shoot, there'll be one good photo from the whole thing. And it's like, yeah, obviously I blinked. Sorry, I blinked. So that was crazy. And they just always had the cameras going. And it's classic reality TV where they would pick stories for each girl. And it's like, they'd be like, you're the fat one. No, and she's like, you're, and this girl's like, I'm really, And the girl's really skinny. And they're like, you're fat. And they'd show up and they'd be like, did you eat a lot of dinner last night? And the girl would be like, what? But she realized, oh, that's the story, the narrative they're putting on me. And then you had this one girl eat a bagel. And they kept re-showing her eating this bagel, trying to make it like she just couldn't stop eating bagels. And she was like, it was one bagel. I ate one bagel once. And I was like, I get it, girl. I get it, girl. But no, it was fucked up. there were many horrible things that happened on the show it is look there is a little bit of a reality tv reckoning that is happening where like we're looking back being like oh we abused the hell out of these people and the truth is a lot of these girls were like coming from like small jobs like this one girl worked at walgreens she's like my life's gonna change but some of their lives got worse after um from the trauma from the show and then basically the fashion industry did not respect whoever won america's next top model so some of the winners were like right yeah if you think about nothing they got nothing yeah i think it's unique that me and you were talking about as two reality tvers yeah there's certain people that if they don't like how you got there they'll never respect I mean, I feel like I could count on my hand the number of people that have crossed over from reality TV to mainstream television. Really, actually, I'm actually drawing a blank. Kim Kardashian. Would you say she's mainstream, like, actress, though? She's working on it. She's working on it. And that's 20 years later. And what's funny, you know, Eva. Yes. Oh, yes. I would say she's the biggest one. But she became reality. She went on to do reality. She went on Housewives. But maybe she did act before that. She did. Yeah. No, she did. She still does. There were like a handful of girls, but they did 25 cycles, babe. 25. Oh, my God. Then, do you remember the insane makeovers? Yeah. Which, again, we loved a makeover during that time. Yeah, I loved a makeover scene. And it started just being like, we're bleaching her hair. We're cutting her hair short. Pixie cut. And girls sobbing. Then they started doing dental work. What? One girl was in the dentist's office for 24 hours. They fucked up her teeth. Her jaw's never going to be the same. She has a problem with her bite. They gave her veneers? Yeah, they shaved her teeth down. Yeah. And then another one had a gap. And Tyra basically was like, I'm voting you off unless you fix your gap. And the girl's like, I love my gap. And it's so funny. Tyra's like, you'll never be in a campaign with a gap, even though now, get the London look. like that's all about the game Revlon get the London look get the London look but then the next season that was diabolical the next season she's telling a girl to get a gap because it would be more iconic so it was just like no a lot of fuckery it was a lot of fuckery but the truth is is well reality TV is just such an interesting beast in itself I think it's so funny how they're not funny, but it's fascinating to watch the disconnect from reality TV to the viewer. Like there is such a crazy disconnect. Like when you're watching a scripted show, you're like, and they're acting. I'm not going to go on their Instagram and be like, you fucking suck because you play Steven on Tell Me Lies. Like you can detach that that's an actor. Yep. But with reality TV, people can't do that because you're like, no, you did that. And it's like, okay, but I didn't edit it like that. And there's just, I don't know why there's such a disconnect, especially because we live in a world where it's like there's social media and it's like we find out the truth about everything, no matter what people will like break things down. But reality TV is just like. They haven't figured it out. They haven't figured it out. Because the viewers, we don't want to know the truth. Right. Even if when people are like, this is what happened, it's like, no, no, no, because then I'm an idiot. It's a version of what happened. Yeah. But it's not fully what happened. There's a scene when Tara... Tyra? Tyra is yelling like, I was rooting for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that book went viral. But then they basically said like, it was so much worse. Yeah. And obviously the scene got cut down. Like whenever you guys see like a horrible scene that lasts two minutes that could have been an hour long of chaos Yeah So that where like that my biggest thing with reality TV is like there are things that are said that really affect people reactions but you never see it. One thing also that was just horrible was this girl who worked for Walgreens, the one who cheated. Yeah, Shandy. Trigger warning, she was SA'd. And then in the morning, they were, like, filming her, like, you have to call him. then she had to film the guy her calling the guy asking if he had a std like this is like the most traumatizing things ever and there's a power dynamic here yeah you're not gonna tell a producer right no it's like okay well we'll replace you in a second then they get off the show and she even was like i want to go home and then they're like fine you can call your boyfriend like there's there's a power dynamic where these girls are not actors with agents in a tv show where they can say I don't feel comfortable with that. You are just being forced around. Not to mention they were probably, what, 22, 23? Maybe one was 25 or 26. They were babies. Well, one of them was getting inappropriately touched by a male model. And she was like, what would Tyra do? Tyra would respectfully speak up. And she spoke up and they were like, you need to learn how to deal with that. It was like, it was chaos. It was pure. But we were younger watching that stuff. And don't you remember the scene when she cheated, like how traumatizing that was? Yeah. So then she tried to like fix her relationship. And she said she'd be walking down the street and people would yell at her, cheater, whore, slut. And they had to break up. Yeah. So anyway, what's the cheat? So anywho. Wait, I can't wait to go home and watch that. It's really good, but it is. Wait, do you think Tyra's pissed? I think Tyra's in Australia. yeah Tyra's in Australia she's married right she just got she got married like recently I feel like in the past couple of years moved to Australia started hot ice cream yeah but it is interesting how I do think she became this character like this like this like mean ooh ooh this like mean hoax this like knower of all like very powerful like Caesar character Like when she talks, she talks like mystical. Do you know what I mean? She likes to keep it slow. Yeah. And talk like this. I believed in you. Yeah. Stuff like that. I trusted you. And then she smizes. That makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. But it is. But none of this would have even happened had COVID not happened. Because people didn't really go back and like rewatch and be like, that was kind of fucked up until we were like locked in the house. That's what Tyra said. And I had nothing to watch. Really? Yeah. She was like, during COVID, everyone started seeing it from a new perspective. Because that's when I first started seeing, like, this was not cool. But the second it aired, people were addicted. You know it was good if I watched it, because it had to be, like, super popular for me to find something. Well, it was on the CW, I think. Yeah. And all the girls are just, like, in this house. I loved it. Because I loved anything, like, super girly like that. Well, you also probably wanted to go on it. So badly. I wanted to go on it so bad. I think they even did like a model search in at like my local mall. But I was like, my mom was like, no, you're not going to that. Malls are for shopping. I realized something. Wait, before you say that, can I just go to one of your note things that does condoms at the Olympics? Because I'm just like, would love to know the thought process. Oh, I have the gossip about it. I feel like Giggly Squad is me just going around the world, trying to figure out stuff, and then being like, guys, this is what I figured out. And then you're just telling me. So everyone's like, oh, they went through 10,000 condoms at the Olympics. Apparently, there's boxes around, and the Olympians, I think one of the ice skaters was saying, the Olympians take it to give it as gifts to people. It's like a souvenir. Does it say 2026 Olympics? I think it does. So it's like a funny souvenir. So they're not going through it. They're all just taking it home. Yeah. I mean, I do think. I didn't know that was a story. Well, they say the Olympians, like, it gets crazy in the Olympic Village. They're all just, like, hooking up with all this testosterone. Now, there's a reality TV show. A hundred percent. However, I also know a lot of these athletes are weird about sex and competition where they're, like. Won't do it before. Yeah, like, they don't want to feel weaker or something, which is such a man thing. Like, it takes your adrenaline away. Yeah, or, like, your energy that you might need. I'd be like, trust me, I'm not going to come anyway. you're gonna be fine i'll be fine it's only the men that are like i can't do this before it's like okay i have some mental brain power i told you there was this track guy at wisconsin that he was like i can't i can't orgasm and i was like you're like a loaded gun right now with a woman he told me he doesn't jerk off and he was like crazy like we'd kiss and he'd be like and i was like you need to go to the bathroom and deal with that yourself Wait, that's so uncomfortable. He was literally a loaded gun walking around. And I was like, just jerk off. That's your only problem. Or people get superstitious about it. Okay. The athletes. I think I can't. I realize that Landman and Yellowstone. Same guy. Not the same show. Not the same show, but the same person wrote both. What's the difference? One is on a ranch. Like a You know I don't know And then another one's like about an oil rig Like on like in Texas An oil ranch Yeah So one's an oil ranch and one's a not oil ranch Yellowstone's better than Landman Oh I would say But Landman's only like two seasons Landman's getting some like good chatter about it No it's definitely a good show I mean the guy that wrote it He's basically like a version of my like lord and savior shonda rhimes he just must crunch adderall and write these shows speaking of reality tv kazzy randolph colt the winner of colton season who we love her sister's michelle randolph yeah starring in that there is something about someone getting famous on reality tv and then their their sister and their sibling using that fame but going mainstream because they weren't On reality TV. Yeah. No, pivoting careers, I feel like, are. We don't talk about that. I love pivoting careers. I'll do it tomorrow. No, I love to see people that have pivoted. You have to. You have to keep evolving. That's why I don't play pickleball. Because I'm afraid once I start, I'm going to get hooked. Because I actually have a lot of friends who are on the pickleball tour right now. Since I stay on Colton's neck and I haven't even watched Traders this season, I did see a thing where they filmed the reunion. and it was actually Lisa Ren I did an Instagram story and she was basically like I brought up what you all wanted me to bring up now if you again if you see it I have no idea like how it will be edited but the rumor is is that he walked out of the reunion and then like came back and no one could and no one could bring up that he's a stalker like I don't know isn't that crazy yeah men get away with anything at a reunion I love that Rin is getting ahead of it. Well, because she's a reality TV queen. She knows what to do. She knows. Exactly. She knows what the people want to see. She knows what the kids want to see. Yeah, the problem with traitors recently is that they voted off Candace. Yeah. It's left with the quieter personalities. Even though Maura is not quiet and no one's showing Maura. Well, you know what else is interesting that I feel like happened during COVID? people went on like real tirades for reality tv of like get rid of the villain and it's like okay but if we get rid of like your so-called villain there will not be a show yeah you know what they don't realize is when you cut the head off a villain another villain needs to come right there always has to be a villain right and and people yeah they love being like this person's the problem yeah but then how come there's problems every season yeah like There's going to be, yeah, and that person's gone. Do the math. Carry the one. Right. Divide by two. Another random thought. Yeah. And then I have something. Oh, you go first. So the other night, Des, your husband, if you didn't know who I was talking about, Des wanted to come to my building to use one of my amenities, to use my cold plunge. and I said Des I actually made dinner would you like to have dinner after like you use the cold plunge he got like he got off a flight I think yeah he got off a flight he never ended up using the cold plunge and he came and he had dinner at my apartment well I find out that behind my back Paige is cooking homemade meals for my husband because he's not getting taken care of right now I made a bolognese Well he texts me thinking I don't know what's going on He's like hey Paige asked me to go to dinner I'm like you don't think I know these things You're the last to know Well I've been trying My goal that I set in January But I didn't start until February Which it's okay to start your 2026 goals in any month Normalize It doesn't have to be in January And if you don't start in January It's not like you can't do it And I wanted to make something Cook something once a week And sundae just seems to be the easiest Well sundae sauce To do Because you have all day to like mess it up And like try something else So I made bolognese for the first time Did he compliment it? He did But here's the thing It was like a little It was like a little bit watery And my mom was like Well why didn't you call me and ask me what I And I was like Because I was trying to do it on my own You know And she's like no babe Don't try to be a hero And I realized it's really hard to cook i love like when your mom is cooking a meal you love and you're like one day i'm gonna do it and you're watching it it seems so easy it seems so simple and then when you're alone you're just scared she makes everything so easy oh kim everyone loved the page and how to try new things with kim and it was one of my favorite episodes you know that my dad re-watches it probably at least every other night he says can you bring up the youtube i love him so much also kim did not let us touch the food and at that point i was like oh this is her art and she's like don't disrespect my art in my own home and i was like go off kim we didn't really break that down you know like she really she really was like don't touch anything you'll mess it up yeah maybe she'll give us another try but i don't think we've like proved anything to her since no we've probably if anything she was like i was right about you do this weekend i actually you know tour can be lonely as you know yeah and you know me and ali are just running around right now when ali gossips to me she has to decide if she wants you to know about it or not are you kidding me which is so annoying because i told her one you don't remember anything one i don't remember anything two you don't care i don't know we got in a fight in the car she looks at me she goes oh my god wait you're gonna tell page aren't you and i was like yes but it doesn't matter and then and then I try to lie to her and say I wasn't gonna tell you and then she goes now I feel like you're lying to me and I go well I am and I want to have trust in this friendship I am gonna tell Paige but Paige is not relevant the only time I get nervous about that is of course people say you can't tell anyone and I'm like I'm not gonna tell anyone and then like you're by proxy who I'm gonna tell the only time I get worried the only time is that you're gonna accidentally think like something's funny and you'll slip it in and say something and then you'll be like I wasn't supposed to say that that's Hannah in her 20s okay I've grown yeah I also I was so proud of myself because Allie told me a secret about something and then one of our other friends called her and Allie looked at me because she started bringing up the topic and I didn't I actually kept the secret yeah and she afterwards was so proud of me and I was like I've never kept a secret before and it actually felt so good so I'm gaining trust with Allie. No it really does feel good. That I was like yeah I'm not going around telling your business because but I am telling it to Paige I am telling it to Dez and my mom. But I don't count. You don't. I don't. You actually you're so funny. You'll be about to tell me something and then you'll be like yeah who are you going to tell and then you be like you don fucking know anyone and you just say who are you going to tell them like whoever you going to tell does it doesn matter you have to know in your gossip like webs what hits a dead end like you're a dead end for me like once i tell you it dies there here's one thing that people don't talk enough about too how like women are so smart if I want someone to know something. Now that's like strategic gossip where you're like, I know if I tell this person, she's not gonna keep her damn mouth shut and I know it's gonna get back to this person and I want that person to know. And it's usually just, I want them to know I don't fuck with them. That's the strategies of war that you're discussing. Like you literally are playing chess. Like, hey, let me plant this seed with that person that I fucking hate them. like it's that is that is smart actually and i'm so scared of you sometimes um anyway we're on the road and anyway i have camaraderie with ally yeah i had a we had i had such a fun show in dc and philly last night i go to long island and i'm tired yeah third city three days in a row long island is so fucking funny first of all the stage was like a circle So it was like Gladiator But like for clowns Walk in And two guys are sitting next to each other And you know that pisses me off more than anything Do you know the first stand up I ever saw was I was going to say Dave Matthews What is the guy? Dave Chappelle No Who's the guy that like got a bunch of plastic surgery And now he does Oh Dane Cook Dane Cook And he was on a circle stage And I always think of it anytime I see a circle stage Everyone's like growing up That HBO special The double fuck you Yeah I think I have to shoot a special in a circular stage. My CDs are in his car. My CDs are in his car. You actually said that to me so many times. I'm sorry. That special was iconic. I don't give a fuck what anyone says. I almost dressed up as Dan Cook for Halloween. Don't. We've got enough going on with you. So anyway. Also, I don't know what he's up to anymore. Oh, the last I heard, his brother stole all his money or something crazy. Yeah. so i was in the middle i see these two guys stay next to each other and i'm like if you guys aren't gay we're gonna have a problem and the guy this long island kid is so funny he's like you know i had a date but then she saw me on one of those facebook pages am i dating the same person yeah and everyone goes oh then another girl are those real yeah another girl starts speaking up like it becomes full judge judy and like the long island girls are like we'll take care of this for you Hannah and this girl goes I know him and I know he was talking to my whatever and he's like I'm I'm always I just met someone I just met someone I'm talking to multiple people and it got all it was Jerry Springer but it was very very funny but then because it's around I decide I have a victim right like he's my victim I'm gonna like tear this guy apart the whole time because like he's loving it yeah Matt typical Matt so but at one point I'm going I'm talking in the round and then I literally am trying to find Matt. I got lost. Like, cause everything was motion sickness. Couldn't find Matt. And I was like, did he leave? And they're like, no, he's over there. Couldn't find my footing. And then, well, you have no directional awareness. Exactly. You don't drive. I didn't know where I was from the beginning. How's I going to find my way home? Right. So then it's a circle, but then everyone could see each other. And guess who was there? Full family, mom, dad, Nana, Papa. So everyone's staring yours. Yeah. Everyone's staring at my parents. while making like insane jokes about like sexting in front of my dad. And my Nana's there. And at one point, I just have to shout it out. And everyone starts chanting Nana. Oh, that's so sweet. She's like, I can't hear anything. What are they saying? After Threads, they said justice for Nana. And she just wants to let you guys know she loves the fans. She loves all of you. She wishes she can make you all a chicken parmesan. Whatever happened with the Threads thing? The Gigglers took care of it. Took care of it. No, they're literally like henchmen. Well, I mean, people are bullying her grandma. Like we all have to put our foot down at some point. No, it's insane. Look, I don't think she even knows that happened on threads. We try to protect her from the fame. Honestly, I'm 32. 33. I'm 33 and I don't even know how to work threads. Like if something was happening about me on threads, I'd have no idea. Thank God. And I need that piece. But the problem with threads, because the algorithm, it recommends the worst things for me when I'm scrolling Instagram. So it'll be like me looking at like chrome lamps and cats. And then suddenly it's like the person I hate most in this world. Said the dumbest joke. Said the stupidest thing about you. And then I have to be like, don't recommend. So, yeah, the phones are killing us slowly. Now this brings me to the most important point of the night. Oysters. Do you like oysters? In your heart of hearts. Like you would never last meal an oyster. Never. If I really broke it down, what I like is vinegar. I like the accoutrement. It's the vehicle for the sauce. The sauce. Yeah. Now, I would argue I like clams better. Well, yeah. They're sweet. They're cute. They're small. They're small. They're adorable. They go in pastas. You can't put an oyster in a pasta. No, you can't. This is the thing. Oysters have incredible PR. Well, the whole aphrodisiac sets them light years apart. Yeah. Aphrodisiac, but then not a clam doesn't. Aren't they like cousins? Well, both bottom feeders. Bottom feeders of some kind. But like oysters are out here regal, gorgeous. Happy as a clam. That's some good PR. That is good. But I feel like they got pigeonholed in that. They got typed. Their team was like, you're just, no one takes you, you're not elevated. No one takes you seriously. You're commercialized. Meanwhile, Oyster, they're doing Fashion Week. They're in Paris. Oysters is over there with caviar. And clams is like. Oysters are coming in, you know, a seafood tower. They're at weddings. Yes. They're at galas. where clams, you know, occasionally in Montauk, but it's not, you don't see clam bar. Well, clams could be at a picnic table. You're not having oysters on a picnic table. And yeah, oysters are a little bigger, but like I'm telling you guys, clams are where it's at. Yeah. And flavor wise. And then have you ever boiled a clam? You can boil them and you put them in butter. Yeah, they're so good. So good. Clams Casino, hello. Although have you ever had oysters Rockefeller? Again, great PR. are is that just yeah rockefellers elevated rich they're literally come from money they're nepo babies yeah they're nepo like the rockefellers have nothing to do with oysters and oysters are like oysters have fucking pearls no one's opened a clam and you're just like is that sand not again it smells it smells like a clam go to your doctor yeah we can yes and oysters are jewelry yeah for royals i actually have one more michael kors thing yeah so after the michael kors show i walk out and this was the most new york thing ever i'm standing there looking gorgeous in my trench coat yeah and some guy on a bike who i'm not gonna say he lived on the bike but let's just say don't know what he was doing on the bike yeah he wasn't like working or anything right he just like stops right in front of me but you know it's been a long night and i've been socializing already I'm like what's one other person yeah and he goes where were you and I'm in front of Lincoln Center and I go I just look at this guy I'm like there's no way he's gonna know who this is and I just go I was at the Michael Kors show and he goes I love Michael Kors by the way he's like a I'd say like a 50 year old man okay I love Michael Kors I think he was a little drunk and i was like oh yeah amazing and he's like you know what a great performer yeah that's when i realized like oh he thinks and he's like i've been to a michael kors show back in the 80s and i was like cool so we get into he think it was i was like maybe michael buble but i don't think michael something michael bolton maybe michael bolton yeah maybe michael bolton but he was like he starts telling me these stories about how great michael kors is in concert and i'm sitting there in my trench and I'm like we gotta wrap this up yeah and then he's like how long was the show and I was like actually only like 12 minutes and he was like wow he used to do two hours this conversation went on so much longer than it should have yeah but in that moment I was like I can't wait to tell the gigglers about this beautiful New York City moment and then my car came and then I said sir have a great night and he said you too I'm so happy you had a great time at the show I said I'll see you at the next Michael Kors show he said thank you and that's the epitome of New York City. And that's the thing. You don't have to understand each other to get along. No. No. Wait, last thing and we'll end here. Have you watched any of the JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bissett show? Well, I'm a little annoyed because I very recently watched the JFK Jr. documentary. So I feel like it's so fresh. I don't want to compare the two. But Allie's been watching it and she's obsessed with it. It's good. Because you love a period piece. Well, it's not like period. It's like in the 90s. But you don't know what they were really like because there really is no press of them. And she did not want to be photographed. Yeah. And so you kind of take it with like a grain of salt that that's how she was. But I do think the acting is good. Is really good. And he's very good looking. And this is Ryan Murphy, right? Mm hmm. When does Ryan Murphy sleep? No. Who knows? Because, you know, he has Kim on the phone every three seconds with another idea. Yeah. And then he's doing all these like serial killer things. The clothes are really good in it. The like, the aesthetic of the show is phenomenal. Like you very much feel like you're in New York City in the 90s. It actually made me like upset because I was like, wait, it would have been so cool to live in New York in the 90s and be like in your 20s. It looked so fun. And RFK Jr., they didn't really have security. They would just like try to live a normal life, even though he was like the most famous bachelor in the world. Yeah. Well, there was no social media. So it was like real paparazzi. And he dated like a very famous. He dated Madonna or something? He dated this girl. Her name was Daryl Hannah. Do you remember? Yes. Yes. Yeah. You know who she is? The mermaid. Yes. That was like her, I think, biggest role. She's been in other things, too. Yeah. And I think she then like went on to like marry someone else famous. He loves a blonde. but he, well, that's one, one takeaway. He loves a blonde. He loves a blonde, but he, that, yeah, that is a beautiful man, but what a crazy story. Yeah. And then they have like someone who plays Jackie O. Um, it just, it seems like they had like a tough, I just, I don't know how they did it. Oh yeah. I'm definitely going to watch that. No, it's good. There's three episodes out. And how's your book going? Just to wrap this up. Have we made any progress? Um, we're at a small standstill. Uh, No, I'm reading Seven Husbands of Evelyn, Hugo. Are you reading it like on planes? Well, because you want to know what? Are you reading it on planes or are you iPad-ing? No, I'm iPad-ing on planes. I haven't gone full rogue, except I'm flying out to LA next week, so I might bring my book. The Gigglers truly are so funny. Like, I'll get messages, and then I'll get messages. Like, then we'll talk about it on the pod, and then I'll get messages of girls being like, okay, I don't want to insult you and your reading level, because to each their own, but like i think you're correct and like that book is like a bit too hard for you and then i had like a legitimate like literature teacher she was like withering heights and stick stick to the seven husbands telling you not to try to read withering heights and i was like don't worry she'll she'll know real soon in that first paragraph that she's not gonna make it she was like i'm a literal professor and it's a very hard book like not the beach read you're looking for anyway I'm just trying to like well maybe I'm cooking I'm reading who is I don't know but my husband wants me to cook a home-cooked meal now because of you so we'll discuss that later my husband your husband we share a husband um that's giggly squad thank you guys for listening we love you so much special thanks to Duncan for supporting us this episode and we'll talk to you later this week episode two coming out soon bye Thank you.