450: Diet Coke is Tea (w/ Keith Habersberger!)

You're listening to a Complexly podcast. Hello and welcome to Dear Hank and Keith Habersberger. It's a podcast for two brothers and sometimes a brother and some other guy. Answer your questions, give you due to your suvvices and bring you all the weeks news from both Mars and AFC Wimbledon. Keith, John couldn't be here this week, so we got a guy who looks like he could definitely be our brother. Definitely I feel like I could be in the family. I feel like you're in it. We could get Joe Hansen in here. We could get Grant O'Brien in here. Oh man, oh wow. If the five of us did a thing. I have thought we should find some sort of thing. The way that people do the Ryan Fest in Oregon and where they like, instead of getting people with the same name, just people who look enough like us that we're cool with it. Just guys with faces who are white and have glasses. I mean, that's pretty much it. But it is fun that how many of us are specifically like YouTubers from different but similar geek and nerd niches. I think we're all the top of a different nerd stack in particular. What nerd stack are you on top of? Food. Oh yeah, I guess so. Have you ever had Taco John's? I have had Taco John's. Did you have all of Taco John's? No, I haven't because it's just in like the center of America. Yeah, we have Taco John's here. They have that weird sauce that's named after a lady. That's not familiar actually. Maybe it's a different. Oh, Runza. Sorry, do you know Runza? No. I was just thinking about Taco John's because the one by my house closed and I haven't had that burrito that smells a little bit like propane in so long. I've only had Taco John's a couple times and it was back when I was touring almost 15 years ago. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back when you had to. I just miss it. This is great for me as a professional podcaster is my neighbor's son has started a band. I'm sorry, what? Your neighbor's son started a band? Yeah, and they play in the garage that's right across the alley from my studio. That's in a way, isn't that wonderful? Because like the fact the kids are still doing bands in the garage, to me, that's Americana. I feel like we've lost that. I know. My neighbor is like, we should do something about this. I'm like, but they're just trying to be kids. That's what I'm saying. You're having a problem people were dealing with in the 70s and 80s. How often do we get to have that? What we do here, Keith, is we answer people's questions. We try to give them good advice, but we don't promise anything. I thought since my brother, John, is working very hard on his copy edits for his book and so he can't be here. That instead we would get you. Do you want to answer some questions from our listeners? I would love to answer questions. This first one is from Kendra who asks, Dear Hank and John, vegetarian is a useful word. It saves a paragraph of explanation every time I use it. Can I grab you a burger? No, thanks. I'm vegetarian. I think the English language needs a new word that means a person who does not willingly consume AI generated content. What should it be? Yeah. Yeah. Now you have to say like, oh, I'm anti-AI slop, right? Or I'm like anti-AI. But that's too, it's really a word with a fun prefix. Yeah. I'm a humanitarian. That one's already taken. And also makes you sound like you might be eating people. Yeah. If you're in a vegetarian conversation and then you say that, then like, oh, now I've got a new context to a terrier. Right. This is actually a problem. I wonder if anyone's ever written that comedy sketch about a person who's talking about being a humanitarian and then the other people in the room are like, oh my God. Vegetarian. I'm trying to think like, I'm sure the etymology isn't this, but is it is at eat like veg eat? Veg at Arian? No, I don't think so. Like there's also carnivore, you know, you got the vor in there. Which feels more like meat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't say vegivore, but you should herbivore, herbivore. I was called out in an episode of last meals for the term of vorring that Courtney Miller thought I could vor her, which is a real jock. Yeah. This is the whole reason I invited you on. And I can't believe we already got there. What did you think about about Shane's wife talking about you vorring her? Well first, flattered, obviously. You know, like, I love that the mythos of me eating everything maybe is starting to make people think like, maybe he eats everything. Everything. Everyone. Like who's the monster that eats worlds? Not the monster, but the... Katamari. Katamari. Well, Katamari. Well, that's just a guy with a bad dad. But isn't there galactus, the consumer of worlds, the eater of worlds? Galactivore. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about Keith. I'll be honest with you. We're off topic. What is the word for anti-AAR? Yeah. Look, I like this from an angle, which is that the information that we consume is very much like the food that we consume. And it has categories. And Slop is interesting. Brain rot also, something to try and avoid. But I definitely, just like with food, I'll have a little as a treat. What is brain rot an AI sub-sect or just... No, no, no. I mean, it can be. Certainly brain rot can certainly be AI generated. But it is, for me brain rot, and this is me talking to my nine-year-old, the brain rot is anything where you are watching it. And afterward, it has provided you with nothing, except it satiated your attention in that moment, but then you got nothing from it afterward. Yeah, like old flash animations when we were younger were sort of brain rot. Yeah, there were definitely brain rotty flash animations. But there were some like, the moment it like tells a little bit of a story, I feel like it's not really brain rot anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the badger, badger, badger, badger, mushroom, mushroom, that's brain rot. I guess, I don't know. What's the story? What are you getting out of that other than an inside joke? It's so funny. Like that brain rot is so much healthier than the brain rot of today, though. Yeah, it feels like this. And there wasn't like an infinite supply of it. So you just had to watch the same brain rot over and over again, which has a different quality to it. And it was a whole website sometimes. It was like, that's the website is like the Hamster Dance. That's probably the oldest. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man. Were you born in 1980? 87, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, a little later. Yeah, but you were, I guess, for me, you must have been more of a child when Hamster Dance happened because I was in college. Yeah, I was a child and it was, it was a website. I was frequenting. I was like, this is a good place to sit for five minutes. You know, a really solid fact about me, same. And I was like 18 years old, 19 years old. It was good. It was good. Yeah. It was really good. There was so much, there was so much weird. We love the moon. Can I do a thing to like 1% of our listeners brains right now? I would think it would be wonderful. Po the sheep. Po the sheep. Do I know? That was just for 1% of our listeners brains. Yeah, you lost me. Yeah. No, that was that. That was the thing. If you had a small Po on your windows machine and there would be a sheep that lived on your desktop and his name was Po and he like did stuff. That does sound familiar, but I feel like that was something like my brother referenced once, not something I experienced because my older brothers are, both of my brothers are older. So they're a little bit more early 80s. Should we have them on the podcast? Give them a call, get them in the room. They don't look quite as much like us. Probably in a little more so. David doesn't look at all like us. Is he like really hardcore tattoos all over the face? No, he's just like longer haired, like rounder. He's like a, he's, I feel like he's the, like a warlords build. I hope David's listening. Who would David eat? Who would David eat? Yeah. Of the Smoshcast. Of the Smoshcast. Maybe Chance. Yeah, I think that'd be a lot of people's choice. Yeah. He seems like he tastes good. He's manageable. He looks good. Yeah. Yeah. He's very consumable. Angela seems consumable, but she's going to fight back. Wait. No, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like a, there's like a defense mechanism in there somewhere just below the skin. There's thorns. It's like when the eating baby squid thing where you have to chew them alive and they fight. Have you ever, you know what I'm talking about? No. Don't. I'm just, it's a thing. It's a thing that exists. I'm talking to a vegetarian right now. I'm just talking, I'm just saying that's a thing. Different people eat different stuff and different stuff is okay to eat. Yeah. I think that we should all be more careful about the kind of stuff that we consume, but in all directions and it'd be nice to have words for it. But I don't know. Like there's like a content minimalism that really we should have again, but we never will. No, we won't. There's too much. And it's the ability for everybody to make anything. And I think that's like the biggest danger of AI. Like everyone already has the ability to put their thoughts places that no one ever could before, but now we have the ability to like create a lot of thought, visualize in a strange way and put it everywhere faster than ever before. I was talking to somebody about like the amount of AI stuff getting on YouTube is faster than YouTube can stop it. Yeah. Like by far, like they're just like YouTube is like, oh, we're sort of powerless here. That wasn't the YouTube drill. It's like this is word, word of word. I was watching a video about that was like a guide to starting in a YouTube channel that was like, you should do your best to use an email address that's been around for a while because like there's so many people making addresses that Google does like a bunch of things to try and make sure that you're not just a content farm or a spammer. And one of them is like you get like the algorithm is sort of like prefers people who seem like they've been a person for more than five minutes. That would be good. Sometimes you want to have, you got to make a new email to make some new thing real quick. I know. I do that. Well, yeah, the thing is I've been doing that for so long. I got a bunch of old emails that I've never used. That's true. You got to dig them up though and remember what slight variant password you gave it. They're all in my last pass, baby. That's smart. I use last pass not enough, but there's some, the important stuff is on there, but mine, there's some other stuff that's just flying, flying by the hip. Oh, wow. That's dangerous. It is. That's not how I do it. That's important. I had you with my theory here that like slop is different from anything created by AI. Please go on because I don't understand it yet. So like, I feel like there's this thing that is slop that is anything that's very easy to make, but you could also make something that's very hard to make and just use tools while you're making them. And like, obviously there's times when you're just like using content to wear fill or something in Photoshop, which is not, that barely counts for anything. But you could see like creating like a website, like my Henkreen.com was coded with the assistance of Claude. And I'm just like, yeah, like, but like it was all written by me. All of the text is from me. Right. Yeah. There's a feeling of any that's like super easy to make humans will make so much of it so fast that it will immediately be devalued in our eyes. And it should be because it's not valuable anymore. And that is the thing that feels like slop to me. All these LinkedIn posts that sound exactly the same, all of these like comics that were generated by chat GPT that all look exactly the same. Chat GPT has like a style of comic that it makes that I just like the moment I see it, I'm like, I've seen this a thousand times. Yeah. I think tools that aid in the creation of your idea is more okay than toolmaking idea for you. Right. Yeah. Toolmaking idea for you is weird because these things don't have tools. So if toolmaking idea tool is giving you someone else's idea. Yeah. Right. It's just old idea mixed up. Yeah. That's how it feels anyway. I don't know. I'm not a AI researcher. I think I mean, either. Okay. Well, we didn't answer that question. We didn't answer the question. There's just like, there's not like a good thing. We don't like, I just think it's interesting to say out loud like eating food and consuming information are similar processes, but like we don't think of it that way. So we haven't, we haven't created language around it. What's the opposite of Omni? Oh, uh, uni? Okay. Well, uni slopper doesn't work. I'm trying to think of like Omni slopper would be like, you know, that Donald J. Trump is an Omni slopper. Yeah. Those are Omni sloppers. So I think we can name at least the mass consumer sloppers. Right. Right. Not like one slop, but no slop. What's the, what's the prefix for nothing? Yeah. People who only use Chappy T. Well, they're uni sloppers. Nunkas slopper. Yeah. Yeah. What is it? A Nunkas slopper. Nunkas slopper sounds internet-y. Yeah. You know, Keith, thank you for like not letting it go. Thank you for keeping us working until we give up with a bad word. We've got to try. Om Nunkas slopper. Om Nunkas slopper. I don't deal with any of that. This next question comes from Katie who asks, dear John and Hank, my husband and I saw John speak at Drake University last week. This is going to be a weird answer. It is someone who used to write for fun all the time and even briefly considered being an author. I felt really inspired. However, when I think about sitting down to write, I panic and I get embarrassed because what if it's no good? What if I just wasted all that time on something stupid? What if I'm not as good as I thought I was? So I guess my question is, how do I avoid the doom spiral of trying to rediscover my love for writing? Any tips and or prompts would be appreciated. Pumpkins and perfectionism, Katie. Well, this is a real time that I'm not a good substitute for real author. You write stuff. I wrote a book. Technically. You wrote a book. You write songs. I write songs. I'm very good at lyrics. The easy answer there is like, well, you might spend time making something that sucks, but won't that make you better if you can recognize that it sucks? Right. And also, don't be afraid of all the time you already spent doing the thing because that's not you. You don't have to feel any kind of way about that. That's already done. And like, I keep hearing this about a number of different creative endeavors. You kind of have to like it when it sucks. Yeah. No, totally. You have to enjoy the, enjoy the pain. Like that's a runner thing, right? They like, they actually like the pain at some point. They have to learn to love the struggle. That's not for me. And not the physical struggle, but the mental struggle absolutely is. I heard someone recently saying like an actor saying like, if you don't like it when it's you in a room with like three people who are pretty bad at acting, performing for a quarter full room off, off Broadway, you'll be miserable no matter what, because it's always going to be less glamorous than you imagined it would be. Yeah. I also like, this is not exactly in the same realm, but I'm something I wanted to ask you is recently I've decided, you know, people always like, you only use 10% of your brain. Like, well, you know, your whole brain is working all the time. You're just not aware of what it, so I've decided to try to tap into that to be like, okay, when someone asks me a question, I don't know the answer. I just say, I'll let my brain work on that for a while. And I just don't actively try to think about it. And typically later on in the day, the answer comes up. Wow. My brain just works on it. I just like assume that some part of my brain is now going to focus on that, I guess, if I tell it to. And oftentimes the answer comes about in like an hour or so. Do you think that that would happen if you didn't tell your brain that you were? I think it would, because I think sometimes you're like, I can't think of that word. And then like later on, you're like, oh, the word that came to me. But like it didn't come to you. Your brain worked on it. Like, I like that. It's like, look, it wasn't magic. Something like somebody did it their job. Something in there was doing their job. Something in there was like, I gotta figure this out for Keith. For conscious Keith, conscious Keith's gotta know this answer, that name, that celebrity. Yeah, boy, I have no idea. I don't know what's going on there. I am totally confident that something is going on there. But yeah, I mean, I also have this feeling oftentimes where I'm like, I can't remember that thing. And I'm not worried about it because I'm just definitely going to come back. There's something will trigger it and it'll come back. And if it wasn't, if it wasn't that good of a thing, I won't maybe, I won't think of it, but if it was good, it'll come back. Except for those 2 a.m. thought, sometimes you perceive them, they must be good. And I think some of them I've lost have been good. Now I've written down a lot of them and it's rare that they're good. I don't know what my brain's cooking. That's the thing. If you actually do the thing, you're like, oh, in fact, these were all bad ideas. It's cooking up some real hot garbage in there at 2 in the morning. Yes. Some human did have to invent concrete. And things happened before that, Keith, but that's not a revelation. I just wrote a video that I don't even think I'm going to publish about where toilet paper goes. It disintegrates. Yeah, but where does it go after that? Or are the atoms and molecules go? Yeah, they become something new. I don't know. I'm interested. Hey, you got one view. Waiting for you. Waiting for you somewhere in the ether. I'm sure you got six or seven at least. Yeah. Yeah. I wrote the whole video, so I probably should just make it. Just do it. I think it's interesting. I don't know. I feel like it's not that interesting. Like, is there... What's the... I think the beginning premise of where does it go is like, yeah, I mean, it must go in the sewer. Where did the sewers go? I don't know. But then I think the deeper question of where did disintegrated things go and how disintegrated does a thing get before it's not that thing anymore? Yeah. Yeah, if you track the atoms and molecules, they end up all over the place. It's wild. Yeah. Eventually. Of course. We drink them. What is... If you drink a molecule, are you eating? What's the difference in food molecules and drink molecules at that level? Well, yeah, I mean, the food molecules and drink molecules, the only real difference is the chewing. Yeah. Yeah. What's the best drink? I mean, water. Oh, boo. I know. I know. I didn't say it with enthusiasm. The tastiest drink? Yeah, your favorite. My favorite drink. I like coffee a lot. Yeah. It's basically water. Yeah, I like black coffee. Did you say it's basically water? Yeah. All the drinks are basically water. Yeah, but this one's like tea and coffee feel like the most basically water because it's just like other things have like other fl... like multiple flavors, some thought. Not that coffee doesn't have thought. Coffee has a lot of flavors, but it doesn't... It like, yeah, like Coca-Cola is like a third sugar. Yeah. But like a Diet Coke is just tea. That's just a tea. Really? That's what I'm... you know, I'm going to die on this hill. Come at me, people of the world. Diet Coke is tea. Funny take. You get a lot of engagement on that kind of statement. You know what else is tea? Milk. Milk is tea. Milk is cow tea. Yeah, I'm down with that. Okay. High five. I'm down with that. Yeah, it's just heavy, fat tea. Heavy, fat tea. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Why not? I think it's all tea. Yeah. It's sort of, yeah, it sort of is. If it's the idea that you're putting something in something and it's diluting the flavor, that's tea. Have you ever watered down milk because it sounds like you have? I've had ice in my milk before at some point. Yeah, I didn't. It wasn't for me. But I have done the ice in the cereal with milk and there is something happening there. It has to be ice that is like more of the chip ice that you can crunch through, but still has structure. Something about making it colder. There is something going on with that making it yummier or at least maybe making your brain thing gets more ice creamy. It is ice cream, I guess. So Katie, I'm sorry, but maybe what you need to do is to ask weird questions like is milk cow tea and then see where it takes you. But there are lots of good prompts. There are lots of good writing prompt Reddit subreddits, which are nice. That's like a way to get started. I also really like, is this what I used to do when I was a young, righty person is I would read a chapter in a book and then I would try and write in that person's style in a different direction. I was very bad at this, but I had a lot of fun doing it. When I showed people that work, they liked it. They'd be like, oh, this is all very spicy, but I think it was kind of because I had the ramp. I had something to get me somewhere. Even when I write now, I kind of really rely on the words I have already written to be that on ramp to the process. So I will always sit down and I'll read the last page before wherever I am and then use that as the on ramp into the writing, which just sort of gets me going. I often will also say it out loud. That's a big thing for me. I just sort of dump stuff out and worry about making it better later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is very important. When I say not everything is written to be published, I mean almost nothing. Even like, I don't edit a video by making sure the first six seconds are perfect before going on to second seven. I dump it all out, change it, delete it, add it back. It's a puzzle. This question is from Carly Ray, who is a regular question asker who writes, Dear Hank and John, I live in a small town. I mean, Dear Hank and Keith, I have lived in a small town all my life. And one thing I've noticed about small towns is their local bank will always have a digital sign out front that will tell you two things, the time and the temperature. I understand. I'm riding this arm with you. This is very America. I understand telling the time so you know when they are closed, which is any time that you're not at work. But why does seemingly every bank display the temperature? What does the weather have to do with me being able to hastily get cash for my kids' field trip I forgot about or my 15-year-old niece's ability to secure a car loan for a 2006 Impala? Hey, hey, I just met you and this is crazy. But here's my number. But please don't call me. I don't answer calls from unknown numbers. So text me maybe Carly Ray. Wow. That was quite a sign off, Carly Ray. Did you grow up in a small town? I was born in a small town. That's a lyric to a song. I thought the same thing is like this is a song you're about to sing and I'm so excited. But then I was born in a small town. I was born in Birmingham and raised in Orlando. This is as close as I've ever been to a small town as Mizzou, which isn't even a small town. I was born and raised in a small town, a 2,000-person town. Gotcha. The kind of town with one light and it blinks and a bank that tells you the temperature. Somehow there were actually several banks and they did all tell the temperature and the time. And we had a few video rental stores. We had a few traffic lights because this is the county seat town. This big town of the county. The county was not much bigger than the town. So I'm very familiar with this and it is funny. Wait, was it called Habersburg? You don't we all wish. No, it was Smith County and it was in the South. So the very generic. So there were a lot of people who had the name that lined up with the county. My neighbor was Casey Smith. Yeah. Like there were many Smiths. But it was Carthage was the town I grew up in, which is the birthplace of Al Gore. Oh, pretty cool. Pretty cool. He did at one point when he was vice president, he came to our church for Christmas service and the Secret Service was there. That was kind of exciting for our little town. Yeah. It was thrilling. Honestly, I was like, and it was my the church I went to. Methodist. All right. Did the church tell you what temperature it was? No, the church only had the swap out the letters signs. Oh, those are very good though. But oh, they're great. But they weren't. I still currently drive by a church that has those and they put fun stuff. Like I think they are a fun church because they're always putting sort of Jesusy jokes, but not at the expense of Jesus, obviously. A good pun, a good Bible pun here and there. You know, look, I have a confident guess here. I have a guess too. Yeah, which is that banks are very temperature sensitive and above a certain temperature, they die. That's a very funny take. It's like a lot of freshwater clams. This is just their broadcasting thermometer. Like this is my temperature monitor me. Yeah. If you see this too high, you've got to do something. Get in there. The money's going to melt. Yeah. I'm going to assume that it's actually some sort of like way to gain people's trust in that they're giving you true factual information. Wow. Yeah. So somewhere subconsciously, I'm like, well, I can trust them to tell me the time, which has to be factual. I think I can trust them to tell me the tempers that needs to be factual. So everything they're going to tell me in there is going to be equally of value and true and factual. So I can trust them with my finances. Yeah. And useful. You know, it's like a public service. We're all here providing a public service. You know, like the church used to tell you what time it was. We're just helping. Banks are the new church. Put your money here. You don't make more money just by having it here. We're helping. Yeah. We've got money in here. You could try and take it. Oh, there are people put their money here already. Yeah. Strength in numbers. We have enough money that we can tell you the time and temperature. Yeah. We don't need your money, but you could open an account today. Yeah. And your money is safe with us as long as it does not reach 98 degrees Fahrenheit. 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And I was like, I clearly am not using this. Yeah. I mean, a cheque is objectively a ridiculous idea. It's like, hey, do you need money? Let me write on a piece of paper and then it will become my money in your bank account. What? It's so ridiculous that places that really matter like that doesn't count here. You've got to get a real cheque, a cash to your cheque. That cheque's not real. My cheques are real. Do you have, did you ever have to travel with travelers checks? I don't think I did. I never went international until honestly, like several years ago. So that was done. I, in fact, I think the second time I traveled, I called the bank to be like, I'm traveling. So just know that you'll see these charges like, oh, no, we don't worry about that anymore. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, I know that I'm 45 years old, but I feel like you need a cheque book. Vanessa, I feel you need a cheque book. Like things come up. Sometimes you need a cheque. This is Montana talking right now. It feels like Montana's a cheque state. I probably finish a cheque book a year. Really? Yeah. Is it for like just, I feel like it's for maintenance. Like the only times I used to pay cheques. Like when the house breaks? Yeah, for sure. Like, yeah, I used to pay cheques for maintenance. That's it. Yeah. If I have to pay the guy who's fixing the water heater, that's like a great way to do that. Yeah. I'd be weird to be like, thanks for fixing the water heater. What's your Venmo? Got cash up? But normally they come in, they've got whole card readers now. They're just like, hey, here, just sign this and scan your card. All right, we're good. I don't know that that's the case in Montana. I don't know that we're that advanced. I just got my grill cleaned and I honestly actually need to follow up because I never saw an invoice at all. Have I seen you? Is this the grill that I've seen? Is this like? Is my house? No, no, no. This was in Palm Springs. No, no, that one, I'm sure we get it cleaned. But I actually, it was because it was broken and I was like, and the cleaning service call, like, do you want it clean? It was like, I don't really got to clean that one time because like it was disgusting. But I didn't really use it because part of it was broken. It was like, well, part of it's broken. So why don't you come and you can clean it and tell me what's wrong with it. But he came, he left. I scheduled it. I never saw an invoice. I never gave him a card, but they have a card on file. So I have, I realized like, I have no idea what I just paid for that. I have zero idea. I never signed anything either. So I'm like, how is this work? There's no work order. I need to call them. How much was that? I gave the guy 20 bucks as a tip and I was like, is there anything for me? He's like, no, Bill, you're like, okay. And then they didn't, they just, they just took the money out of your account. Yeah. It was weird too. Cause they, I mean, I haven't even looked, I got, I should look because I can't infect check for God immediately. Yeah. Because I was like, okay, well, those email me and they've done it before, but they had reached out to me and then I had to like really hound them to set the appointment because they were like, Hey, we're doing clean. Do you want us to come? I was like, yes, how about tomorrow? No response. Or the next day is also good. No response. Um, just let me know. It's basically what happened when I asked you to be on this podcast. You were like, yeah, I'll do it. And then I ghosted. She cracked up to me, but I was like, well, he's busy. You're like, you're a CEO of a 3000 businesses, I think. Yeah. I'm not actually the CEO of no more businesses, but I'm, I've, I've, I've freed myself from executive thing. That's good. Except for Hank Green Enterprises, where we just do this stuff. That's a nice way to do it. What, what, what, what, what is the last check I wrote for? I mean, the last check I wrote for was for taxes. How do you pay your taxes? I have a person do that because this, the CPA for our company just does ours. Oh wow. That's nice. Yeah. Cause it's like, well, it's all this, all the money I make is, here, there's no outside money happening. So it's just like, it's already got to do it for one. It's the same. It's basically just copying some things over. We had another question. This one's from Bree who asks, dear Hank and Keith, I grew up right along Lake Michigan, so I'm no stranger to watching the sunset over the lake, which is obviously very beautiful. However, the best sunsets I have ever seen in my life have been over, uh, the local Meyer parking lots. Why the whole sky over the parking lot becomes vibrant orange and red contrasting with the clouds is breathtaking. How do I convince my friends from out of town to watch the sunset at the local Meyer instead of at the beach? Is this a Michigan Midwest thing? Is there something about the parking lot that makes the sky more vibrant? Not a cheese. Bree, thank you for helping me understand how to pronounce your name correctly. Bree. That's a nice little clue. Yeah. Well, have you been to a Meyer? I haven't, but I've seen some, I've seen some parking sunsets. I have, I do agree. They are kind of nice. Yeah. I have a theory, but first I want to talk about Meyer. Okay. Did I say it right? Yeah. You said it perfect. And it's a challenging. It's got a J. M-I-J-E-R. Yeah. It's basically like a super Walmart, but Midwest chain. So it's not just a, not just a grocery store. There's like, it's a vibe. Correct. It's a, it's a multi department store with large grocery. Have you ever tried to eat everything at a Meyer? No, but I have considered I should do like a public's one because the Florida people go nuts and just do all the hot food at publics because I think that would actually crash, but I got to be in Florida to do that. Yeah. That's challenging. But yeah, Meyer is great. Meyer is like, if, if super Walmart was awesome, that's how I would describe Meyer. Did they call it a super Walmart? Well, they used, I think that's what they're called. Cause I had a town that had a Walmart that did not have groceries that was like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. more of a farm supply. Yeah. The Walmart that I worked at growing up didn't have groceries. It was just. Yeah. Clothes, electronics, farm stuff, light home goods. That was it. No, yeah. Sort of a farm department store. We had all clothes. We had clothes. Yeah. We had clothes, but not a lot. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, Meyer is dope. Okay. So my assumption of why it's a beautiful over a parking lot is all the low height, low ceiling space that you get to see. Yeah. This is, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so like one, you just get a bigger sky. If you have a big area where there's nothing in her, but that's also true. If you're looking out over the lake. Yeah. At least in one direction, maybe not in two directions. I have a further theory. Okay. I think every time that you're in the Meyer parking lot and there's not a beautiful sunset, you don't think about it, but you are actually in the Meyer parking lot, a fair number of times. Like you're just there more than you're at the lake. Though maybe, I don't know, maybe you grew up on the lake and you were like looking out over there all the time. But I think that like, you're just more likely to see a sunset in a place where you are more frequently, where there's a lot of open space. So I think that the place where you most frequently are, that has a lot of open sky is the grocery store parking lot. And that is true for like most Americans. But maybe we just love to see the, the bottom layer being proof of humanity and all we've accomplished in the top layer, the greater beyond the sky, the sun. You know, I like, I like the idea that the Meyer parking lot is the proof of what all humanity has accomplished. Yeah. You got cars, you got cart returns. You got carts that weren't returned. You know, you've got morality on display. A gas station off in the distance. You got a human body slowly shambling their way to their cars. You've got a couple of trees. You've got a couple of small trees. Couple small trees that are decorative trees. Probably a crab apple. Yeah. Oh yeah. Crab apples. A decorative crab apple that makes really tiny apples that aren't a problem when they fall. Yeah. What are the big yucky spiky ones? When I was growing up in Tennessee, we called these big yucky spiky things crab apples and then I went somewhere else and they're like, no, crab apples. This. I was like, well, what was I, what was I dealing with? They were, they weren't edible. They were yucky, spiky, gooey, green, blobby balls. What was that? I'm searching and I got nothing. Green, spiky, blobby ball, Tennessee on the ground. Are they chestnuts? Not fun to step on. Are they conkers? Conquer sounds funny. Like K-O-N-K-E-R. C-O-N-K-E-R. Conquer fruit. Yeah. They did look similar to Conkers, but they weren't hard in the middle. They were mushy in my memory, but I do like the way Conkers look. We'll never know. And it's really not important. Yeah, but I want to know. I love the idea that you guys just took a word for a thing that already definitely existed. Yeah, they, you know, now this is our local crab apple. Wait, wait, what about hedge oranges? Can you try to do a hedge apple? Search for hedge apples. That it? Maybe that's what I owe. Yeah, that's it. Hedge apples. We call them crab apples or maybe, and maybe that was us as children. Misunderstanding what people were saying. Maybe. Yeah, these are yucky. These are yucky. Common in Kentucky, these green, brainy looking bumpy balls. That's what we do here at Dear Hanging John. We answer Keith's questions. All right, Keith, can we do some corrections? Because we made some mistakes in our last, in our last episode. Oh, not me. You did nothing wrong. You'll correct me next episode. Yes. So that's right. You won't be here and we won't tell you what you got wrong. You won't have to worry about it. Kathleen lets us know because they, Kathleen is a student graduating from Clemson in May. It's very important to me that I correct John in episode 447. You talk about Hank could not possibly have a $2 bill with a Clemson stamp on it wrong Clemson tradition. It's a tradition to bring $2 bills stamped with a Clemson paw to every away game and use them in opposing team stadiums. This is not, I think what John was saying. He was not saying that I didn't get a $2 bill stamped with a Clemson stamp. It was in fact, that was not my grandfather who gave it to me. It was some other guy. So that was, that is the thing that I had misremembered. Good have been good. I've been your grandpa. Good have been. Yeah, it was, I, I, John, John, in fact knew who it was. And I have once again forgotten. It was like my great uncle or something. Hey, that's close. That's close. Close for me. I'm not going to remember it. A relative is more than some other guy. He's just the, you just have the wrong branch of the tree. That's right. Angela also wanted to correct me to tell me that red is in fact a shorter wavelength of light corresponding to higher energy in accordance with the equation E equals H C over lambda, where lambda represents the wavelength. Red is actually the lowest energy wavelength of visible light with violet being the highest. This makes sense because you have to worry about ultraviolet light. That's the high energy stuff that you want to not hit your eyes and skin. Yeah. And there's, isn't in the ultraviolet, there's also like low, there's other waves of ultraviolet and they're, they're different as well. Cause there's some that like my dad, my dad is a geologist kind of guy, collects rocks and he has a bunch of fluorescent rocks that only shine under certain type of wavelength, the ultraviolet light. And so he's got a few different waves and a few different rocks that turn pretty colors under the different flashlights. Oh, that's cool. And you've got to get a lot of energy into those rocks for them to do their weird florescing thing, I guess. Some of them will absorb fluorescent like that and then glow after and some will just glow under the light itself. Yeah. The light activates it. Yep. And then we have another one. Dear Hank and John, this is from Lily who says, I wanted to let you know that I'm sure as many others have let you know, there's no pregnancy in the third Twilight movie. Bella becomes pregnant on her honeymoon following the wedding that is at the beginning of the fourth movie, breaking Dawn part one. I, that's a, there's a lot of Twilight movies. Yeah. And also if it's part one, is that half of a movie? Yeah. Part one means that it's not done. They did the whole like Harry Potter thing where they broke up. They broke up the last one. To make more money. Yeah. Yeah. Why wouldn't you? How much money do you think the Twilight series made? And sense then? Yeah, totally. How much has it grossed worldwide? Oh, I mean, it's got to be seven billion. No, no, half that. Yeah. Half that. See, there's a, there a failure. Keith doesn't think, Keith thinks, Keith thinks actual Twilight is half as valuable as it should be. Yeah. Wow. Tough. All right, Keith, let's do one last question. It comes from Eve who asks, dear Hank and Keith, I stopped reading books as an adult growing up, teachers would assign books and my parents would pick out books and I'd get hand-me-down books for my older brothers in God College and grad school. They had so much reading, but now I'm in my thirties and the concept of picking out a novel to read feels so like overwhelming. There's too many options at the bookstore and at the library. How do I even know what genre to start with? I haven't picked out a book for myself since the Twilight series. Please help always a day early Eve. Well, I, I also exclusively read growing up mandatory reading. Yeah. I did very little voluntary reading. It just did not interest me, did not excite me. And I'm here to say I'm that same kid. Reading doesn't interest me. It doesn't excite me. I have read books, but it's never been like, oh, good. Oh, my book. I just not my, that's not what I'm looking for in entertainment. My wife loves books, just crushes a book in like a day and a half. She'll just, she's very, very good reader. I'm not a good reader. And maybe it was because like it was very much presented to me like a task, not a joy. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's such a weird thing where like there's these kinds of media that are the ones that are good and healthy and like soulful. And the ones that are just, you know, YouTube and TikTok and TV. And it used to be people used to think that books were the brain rot stuff. And of course, a lot of them are like for clarity and were I've always been. But our comic strict books. Everybody had compilation Garfield book because I had step role growing up. So many of them. Man, Orin has read every single Calvin and Hobbes, which I think is amazing. I think having Hobbes is better than Garfield as much as I love. It's wild to think that you could keep writing Garfield for decades when the the vibe is very much just the same things happening. Yeah. I mean, the amount of like Garfield mumification that happened, maybe a little over a decade ago with the random Garfield randomizer and the Garfield minus Garfield really good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Really exposed the five jokes they oscillated between the Garfield randomizer. Is an amazing idea. It's really good. It just grabs three random cells and they almost always work. Here's what I will say, Eve is pick like I never do this because it's it does. It feels like work. But if you pick like a classic novel, they're all very good. Like if you read their eyes or watching God, you're like, oh, my God. If you read Catch 22, it's like, oh, what a beautiful thing. Like the the ones that are very popular are actually good. And also this is true of mostly of books that are popular in any given year. As long as it's like a topic or like a genre you're interested in. Like the ones that are super like, you know, Tom Clancy, if you're like a middle aged guy, you got like it. Like you get a devour a Tom Clancy novel. It's going to be great. So like if you pick the genre and you like go and pick the ones that are popular. This is crazy talk right now. But like there's a reason why they're popular. Like there's the reason why Ticula Mockingbird is like a big deal book. Because it's really good. It's a good book. But I had to read it. I know. But and I'd be interested and you don't have to. But if you read it now, how would you feel about it? Like I should read the Great Gatsby again, because I hated it when I was in school. And I've never read it since. Yeah. I mean, and yet I can recognize that the books there were also I had to read the Hobbit and I loved that. Yeah. Like that was awesome. I was like, this is actually incredible and so fun and what a world. But it always still was a task. So I still always thought about like, well, when's this chapter and how many pages is left? It was always a like, I have to finish this, not enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I do. I'd look at the genres that you like and then I'd pick the ones that are popular and or classics in that genre and just just go because I'll tell you what, if you pick like a random book from a genre is probably not going to be like super great. And I'm learning that about kids books. We go to the library and let Henry just grab like five or six books. Oh my God. It's trash. There are so many trash books. I'm like, we'll make this book. This is garbage. I was just worth anybody's time. This talks, this book sucks. And then there's all like the classics and you're like, oh my God, this is so good and sweet. There's tons of great books, but there's even more. Slops. How old is child? He's almost three. Yeah. So he's a little tornado. I remember that it was it was maybe that year or the year before when I read like the Puff the Magic Dragon singalong book. And I'd of course heard the Puff the Magic Dragon song a thousand times before, but I'm singing Puff the Magic Dragon in the book. And then at the end of the book, Jackie grows up and Puff stops existing. And and and like boys become men. And eventually your little baby is a guy. And I just fricking started crying. This book like reading. I was like singing this song I've heard a thousand times before. Oh, I haven't read that one. Maybe I'm not gone. I was like, oh, I should read that. And then hearing it traumatized you is maybe not what I want to do. There is like the book, the pictures in the book. Puff finds a different child and gets to have a new friend. But the words don't have that. They just put that in there to as a salve over my broken heart that they made up. But I'll take it. Yeah. Well, there's something about picture books. Like there's there are two stories going on. There's the words you're saying and then there's pictures for the children to like look at and interpret more from. So maybe maybe, hey, that's just that's half the story in a picture book. That's right. I'm going to believe it. I'm going to believe that Puff found a different child. Yeah. This one, a girl because they had because like, yeah, like Puff's not sexist. He's a drag. Not at all. Not a chance. Not Puff. Not Puff. Dragons live forever, but not so little boys. Ow, what? Ow. Why'd you do that? Why'd you do that song? You could have just not done that. Yeah, that is tough. You should see if the band across the street will play the Puff the Magic Dragon song for you. I'll put a note on their garage door. If you've been hearing that at all. As much noise as you want. If once a week you will just play this song. Yeah. Well, I mean, I tell you what, like they probably be well served by doing something a little, a little bit like Left Attorney, you know, just like make some really hard versions of some classic folk songs. Yeah, I think that's honestly always a good recipe. Everybody loves that. We love that. Keith Hypersberger, thank you for making a podcast with me today. Hey, this is so fun. Thanks for having me. I appreciate the time. I need to go make a video about toilet paper now because you told me to. Yeah. Well, you told me you would and then thought you wouldn't. And I encouraged you to go back. You've you've got me back on board. Good. You told me that you were interested in where the molecules go. I believe I would watch this. If there's one person who cares, then there's two people who care. I watch your videos. I love I love all the tidbits of education. I do. They're great listens on my I have a pretty short commute. So they're great listens for like the 15 minute drive I have. It's kind of perfect every time. Thank you. Yeah. I'm also a fan of your content. Well, thanks. And I I'm glad I don't live in Los Angeles because I'd be over all the time. You would. Have you watched our killer dinner show yet? Oh, I haven't. You should watch it tonight. It's really good. It's five of the episodes are out on second try and the finale is next week. It's really it's like not to toot or unhorn, but it's definitely like the best thing we've made. Nice. Yeah. All right. Yeah. No, Catherine, I watch it tonight. Yeah, you'll love it. We're fans. Cool. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you also to everybody who sends in your questions to Dear Hank and John. You could do that at Hank and John at gba.com. We don't have a podcast without you. So thank you for doing that. This podcast was edited by Bridget Kenneson. Thank you for dealing with whatever is going on in the background of my audio. Hopefully it's not too bad. It was mixed by Andrew Smith, who also had to deal with that. Marketing specialist is Brooke Shotwell. It's produced by Rosyana Halsrow, awesome Hanna West, our executive producer at Seth Radley, the editorial assistant is to Bookie Chakravarti. The music you're hearing now at the beginning of the podcast is by the great Gunnarola, and as they say in our hometown, don't forget to be awesome.