This is the Jocko underground podcast number 211 sitting here with echo Charles and we have got some questions from the field We have responses answers Recommendations at an a minimum some courses of action you can take to proceed forward and win in life Let's get into it course of the back. That's good. Yeah At least find yourself out of the maze that life can become sometimes seems a life can be tricky Maybe even a direction. We like it. You've got four possible solutions. Choose a good one, an effective one. But you're already, see what I'm saying, ahead of the game. Yep. Very good. Thank you. Thank you for adding that. I just felt that it would be helpful. Chuck. First question. Chuck. Hi, Chuck. I have a lighthearted question for you. I want to ask if you guys would ever compete professionally in jujitsu or fighting. I was recently at a hockey game and as I used to play hockey. I realized how bad I missed playing I Wondered if you felt that way about fighting although. I know you do jiu-jitsu all the time Would you ever fight someone in the octagon at your current state in the level? Thanks for your time Yeah, man Well, I guess I guess I don't know um the main the main thing here is time because if you're gonna go get into Compete in jiu-jitsu, and I wouldn't compete MMA because MMA is is The MMA has evolved to a point where like guys are just freaking so good, which is weird because in the early UFC's You know we could watch those or I could watch those early UFC's and And know that like oh I could hang with that guy and actually we did you know We trained with a lot of those guys back in the day And so you'd know like oh there's like we're we're in the same Zone you know what I mean But nowadays like these guys are just ridiculously better most of them so MMA is not is kind of out of the question right now, but but then jiu-jitsu, you know, of course I'm around jiu-jitsu all the time and And the thing is, you have to train jujitsu a lot to be ready for competition. And competition is no joke. And so I generally have a hard time stringing together enough training for a long enough period of time where I'd be like up to speed type thing. So that's kind of why. The other thing but also like I competed a lot when I was younger and I basically stopped competing once the war started So I started training in Jiu Jitsu in like 19 well the initial training was in the early, like 1992, 1993, started, learned the basics of Jiu Jitsu, started actually training in like late 1995, and then was competing as soon as there was a tournament, right? And then did a bunch did competed a bunch in those years 95 96 97 98 99 2000 2001 the war started And I competed a few more times when I was in college, but then it was like um I just didn't want to get hurt and not be able to do my job which when you compete your chance of getting hurt go up So that's another reason And you know, I just I just get I just enjoy training a lot and I get the gratification Filled from training jujitsu and train with a bunch of great guys and everyone's cool training partners You know everyone's good these you know I train with like guys that are really really good guys that are world like actual world-class guys And I get to train with them and everyone's cool, you know, and And no one's no one's trying to hurt each other. There's no ego. Like it's just it's just fun. It's good. And you just do so fun anyways. So that's probably what I'll stick to. Yeah. Makes sense. Do you I've always felt. After about like, let's say 40 years old. Actually, it's like once you kind of get into like a career that's steady and like you start a family and, you know, the competition like feeling. Like, oh, I want to compete in this and that, like for real, and commit to a competition, seems to shuffle down the priority list pretty quick. That's how it happened for me. Yeah, well, you know, your family becomes a priority more than like some weather, whatever, whatever the competitive thing you might do. Yeah, that can happen for sure. Right. Yeah. I feel like that has happened because I'll feel that a lot of the times. Like when I watch like freaking Coach Rana and UFC freaking BJJ, I'm like, I would do a super fight against somebody, you know? Like somebody, you know, about my age and weight or whatever. Is that a challenge? Literally the moment I stop getting inspired by the TV that I'm watching, I'm like, bro, I'm so glad I don't have to mentally prepare. Because really it's mentally. And yeah if you have which is going to be harder for you but if you have the schedule that you can train and stuff Yeah Okay But then there the mental pull to it you know Like I don know when I was competing I competed for six years just like straight competing competing competing It was all like, that's all I would really think about was like the competition coming up. And I'm not even saying like stress about it, I'm just saying, but you just think about it all the time. You know, I like kind of a lot of the decisions you make, like you can't go drink and do all this stuff or whatever. It's like that's kind of it mentally you exist kind of there a little bit, you know, a lot or a lot more. So I don't I am not in the mood for that part of it at all. You know, what's kind of cool is I was talking to Coach Rana and she was like the horrible feeling of why did I sign up for this? What am I doing here? Why did I volunteer for this? I don't really need to do this. I could say I sprained my ankle walking over here and not have to do this like all those things and she's like This is the only way I can get that feeling Oh, like the only way you can get that like I've got to overcome all these little mental things She's like the only way I can get it is To compete yeah, that's the only cuz you know we go out You know it's like just like I was just saying like I'll go out and train when we get I'm gonna train in about an hour I'm a train with you know, we get out there. We're gonna You know, what is it slap bump and roll right and I'm gonna do that with a bunch of people I'll get tapped they'll tap some people won't really matter have some draws but like what it's no one's watching No one cares. No egos are hurt. My ego doesn't care. Their ego doesn't care. It's all good But then when you take that out onto the stage You know and you're competing and then all of a sudden it's win or lose all these people are watching you It's accepting defeat. It's being dominated. It's being beaten. But despite all your investment and all your training, you've lost and losing in grappling or in fighting of any kind is very, very tribal and primal and personal because it's like, hey, if you beat me in basketball, guess what? If you beat me in basketball, I will still like push you and let's fight. You know what I mean? There's still that. There's still that. If you beat me in hockey, I'll be like, okay, cool. Let's fight. If you beat me in a sprinting race guess what guess what I say you go. Hey, you're slow Jocko You suck, you know what I say? I'll beat your ass right we fight. That's what we're doing But when you just fought and you lost the fight, there's nothing else to say And even even you don't even see like Occasionally you see it occasionally you see like a grappling scenario where the grappling outcome of a grappling match Will escalate into a fight but you don see it very often because everybody kind of knows Like if I just beat you in a grappling match I would beat you in an MMA match A lot of times, right? Everyone kind of accepts that. So to get that feeling of like, bro, why did I even, what decisions have I made in my life right now and can I undo them to get out of this scenario that I'm going into? And, you know, it's kind of funny to think about because anytime you're going to go do something, if it brings you to the point where you're like, damn, I wish I would have made a bunch of different decisions so I didn't have to be here right now. But that's what Rana was chasing. Yeah. She's like that. That feeling of like this. I absolutely do not want to do this right now. And I'm going to do it. She likes that. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, you know, she hates it. Right. Right. She hates it, but she loves it. She's like, she says, she told me the 19 things that she hated about it. And then she goes, that's why I have to do it to get that feeling. It's all packaged up. It's just like anything, I guess like working out. The only way to get that feeling you have after a workout is to do the workout. That workout's gonna suck. And he said, you're gonna do something hard. You're like, oh, this is gonna suck. I wish I didn't have to do it. But the only way to get that good feeling is like... So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to jockounderground.com and subscribe. And we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control. 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