Trump Had A Huge Meltdown On Meet The Press & It Was So Good!

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast. You got the full crew today. I want to take the reins back. Yeah, I was just saying I want to thank everybody who sent very kind things to me last week after they heard my second recording. That was laughing so hard. Oh my God, dude. I am so funny because I'm like looking at, I'm literally looking at my stuff and I go, no one's here to check if my stuff is working or not. I guess I just have to do it in my head. I thought that was the logical thing. Now, of course, I'm looking at all my lights lighting up here and realizing they weren't lighting up before. So I'm glad. You know what? I the second one was better. I know I said on the show, the first one was better, the second was better. So anyways, we're back with pretty well. Like you did a great job. Yeah. Well, again, because I did it a second time and actually weirdly, I think the time was almost exactly the same. So I managed to the only thing was my mom was sitting on the couch over here and she and then I got the question about how do you cook? What's the best way to cook bacon? She just started cackling over here. So that threw me off a little bit. But otherwise I can't record in front of people. I don't want anyone else in the room. Yeah, I don't like it. Yeah, but here's the deal. I was backed into a corner and they had to have I had to like send this thing out for it to be edited. And so like I had no choice. Yeah. So it was not my favorite though. Luke, I was telling somebody where I was at Netroots this week about watching you at the DNC recording a video and you didn't realize you were on the monitors in the other room. Oh, shit. Fuck. And every time, every time. Yeah. Anyways, so everyone's here. We've got lots of mostly in this is kind of like the crash out episode. Oh, yeah. I think because pretty much everything we're talking about everybody in the world crashing out, which for those of you that are over the age of, I don't know, 30 crash out means freak out or something. It was a meltdown. And we're going to talk about the biggest baby in the universe first, Donald Trump, who if you have not seen by now, please go watch it. But he was he was interviewed in Wisconsin by on Meet the Press with Kristen Welker, who I'm not really a big fan of, by the way. And they got into 2020 election again. And oh, my God, it was just so good. It was so good, so painful. But like, again, I'm not a big fan of her. She did hold her own. She did. And she didn't back out because he just kept saying, there's so much fraud. The fraud is everywhere. And she's like, you've never been able to like show any evidence. Yeah. The evidence is everywhere. You know, I was doing that. He just had to touch people. That was his line. And she's like, yeah, but like, what is it? You just have to look. And then so that goes on what? A couple of minutes, right? Then he does the whole like, you know, movie star getting a bad interview, takes the mic off so you get the like. And then he goes to stand up and he has to hold on to Kristen Welker, who's this tiny little person, because it looks like he's about to fall over. And well, darling, well, darling, he like walks off. Not a good look. Not a good look. Did you see his his just his dowel area? He looked bad. Yeah. I have never seen him look that bad before. And he's looked bad for a long time, but he looks like baked. Like he looked like and I mean, like you left him in the oven for too long. Baked like he looked like a smoked turkey. His cheeks almost looked crispy. They were like, yeah, right. Red. Yes. And and he was like, he like he looks like wet. Like he was just like he was was he having a heart attack or like some sort of like panic? It was getting rained on. That was why he ended the interview, rich. Duh. Oh, I was mad about the rain. Parading. But then she also is like sorry about the rain. But anyway, did you see the that fucking Grock claims that that whole thing at the end was a lie? What do you mean? That never happened. That that him leaving that was I generated that it was actually just the interview got ended because of the rain. I saw somebody that asked Grock that and that was what Grock said is that it was fake. It was not surprising. Fucking Grock, you know, well, they've had to manipulate that so much because it has been it started out telling the truth. Yeah, because you know, it was like a liberal bias. Yeah, I mean, that is also true. But I mean, this dude looked horrible. Oh, yeah. Not even the anger. He just looked awful. Yeah, I'm definitely sick. My favorite thing about the whole thing is I saw it and it was like, you know, Aaron Parnas had a video about it that had like 10 million views already. By the time I was going to do a video, I was like, I got a what's a novel take here because everyone will have seen this video. And so I was doing some additional, you know, digging into like, well, when was this recorded? And like what was happening exactly? Where were they? Why were they? Why? Why was he there? And that was recorded on Friday. And so when he said it's been four or five days and they still don't know, it had been two and a half days since polls closed when he said it was four or five days. And and then I was looking through like, OK, I want to see what else he was saying. And and it's because the morning after when they were, I think, maybe below 50 percent vote count, he had already posted a congratulations to Steve Hilton on Twitter on team on team. The idiot saying congratulations to Steve Hilton for finishing first on election night. And and it was like, I know Californians are so smart. They're going to elect him and we're going to do great things together. And so by the time Friday rolled around, he had watched his his endorsement is, you know, age like like like milk on the shelf. And and so by then he was already like really pissed off about it. But he had, you know, it was still still hadn't happened yet. So he does this recording and then the recording goes so poorly. Then on the on the rest of the rest of Friday, he's crashing out about California in front of farmers. He has a White House thing in the evening. He's melting down over over California. Saturday, he's posting the Democrats or like multiple back to back posts about the Democrats stealing the election all because he knew this was going to go live Sunday morning. This horrific mistake train wreck, whether he wanted it to or not, was going live Sunday morning. And so he he spent like five days just in a complete manic spiral in preparation for this to go live. It's going to be so bad. Like his blood has to be thick. Like it's like thick water rolling through his veins. How many aspirins do you think he's like he takes already like 10 times a day? You know, about the finasteride that he was on and now is not on anymore. God, no, what's this? So it's the hair replacement drug that he was. Oh, I saw something about her. Not on it anymore. Uh, but I do. Why would you go off of it? Or or they didn't disclose that he's still on it. But the reason that a lot of people have caught is that if you have major coronary events or strokes or blockages, you don't stay on finasteride. You come off immediately. Huh. Interesting. I mean, he's his hair has his hair is real bad. He is very like terrible. There is worse. Yeah. Yeah. Huh, dude. He would look honestly like he would. I know Stormy told us the whole story about why he does it, but like he would honestly just brings back the better the pantomime. And she did. Oh, God. No, I don't know. Nope. Nope. We're not going to talk about that again. Oh, God. Hopefully you're listening today and watching. We're just going a trip down memory lane with story. Stormy Daniels came on and and pantomime to a fairly specific. Action. Loppage. Loppage. But but let's so so so for the people who don't know what he's crashing out about and who Steve Hilton is, is the California gubernatorial race, which is unique for many ways. One, it's a jungle primary. So like everyone gets lopped together and then the top finishers. It's a mess. They should get rid of this. It's great. Like, go just do ranked choice voting. Right. Just just do that. Right. Jesus Christ. Yeah. But but so that but the challenge that people don't understand is that in in California, they have at least in LA, maybe all of California, they count every ballot that is postmarked by election day. So we all know that the US Postal Service kind of sucks. Sucks ass. So that could be up to five days that it takes for those things, for those that mail to be delivered. So and the other thing is that Republicans have spent years demonizing mail in voting. It's fraudulent. Don't do it, even though they used to have huge advantages in mail in ballots until Donald Trump was like, oh, they're bad. Well, they did pretty well in 2024 with mail in ballots. Yeah, way better. Because they realize. Yeah, they realize how stupid it was and that they were probably leaving votes on the table because if you get people to vote early, it prevents them from having an oops, I couldn't make it on Tuesday. But like so, yes. So when the mail in ballots started to come in, Spencer Pratt and Steve Hilton, the two Republican morons at the head of both of these races, the LA mayor's race and the governor's race sat at the top. Then hundreds of thousands of mail in ballots happen because in California, most voting is done by mail. So like they had to count more votes. And then, you know, Spencer Pratt, like put this this stupid image up, who's like me trying to figure out how Cal, how Los Angeles counts votes. And it's like like a beautiful mind type script on the wall. It's like, dude, they just had until the election day to mail their ballots. It's not that fucking hard. Like you idiot. And now he has, I think, officially he's out, right? Yeah, he's officially out. Yeah, he's cooked. And I think the latest now is like so Pratt's out, right? But he's still. He's not. I mean, look, because he's not necessarily like out. He's not in second anymore, but he could be again. There's still a bunch of. Or, of course, I thought people said maybe this was just people being wrong. No, they're wrong. Because they were saying like it's over. And I was like, no, I'm looking at it right now. So he is only 3000 votes behind second place. I'm still 146,000 votes. Yeah. Yeah. So he could easily. No, for sure. Second place. Yeah. This is not big confirmed for sure. And if he gets back in the second place, then Trump will, you know, what is he going to say? Like, oh, it turns out the elections are great and America is great again. Just kidding. Yeah. Just kidding. I apologize for being the president and melting down over this for five fucking days. It turns out I actually am super happy with the result. I mean, they're all going to lose anyway. It doesn't matter if they, as long as they're not two Republicans in first and second place, right, there's no Republicans going to be in charge of Los Angeles or California. So why? Why is he indexing his identity, his personality? Like he could have just ignored this whole thing and been like, they're idiots and they're going to elect idiots. That's what idiots do. I can tell you why he's a narcissist. He's well, yes, but he's also going to get his ass handed to him in November. And he wants to set up and say that everything is fraudulent. He's already. Yeah. So I'd say like that's why he's doing it. Elections are. He doesn't get the. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't have the embarrassment. That's how it is. That's the thing, right? Like I feel like people brush over how insane it is that it like a the leader of the most powerful nation in the world. Is still denying his loss in a 2020 election. It's crazy. Like that's fucking big. I mean, a big insane. And the. And the. Yeah. Sorry. The fact that any media like gets portrayed as demon. Like it gets demonized for saying, hey, dog, you got some evidence there or are you going to shut the fuck up? Yep. It's insane. He knows what he's doing to him and he's bragging about his way to like the fake news is the thing I created. Like, you know, he said that like a week ago, it's like it's all a big act and a big game for him. Well, there's reports from the White House when he was there and he admitted that he lost. Yeah. Like when they were still in office, but it is over. Yeah. He was like, I lost. Like he told people. Right. Because he. Yeah. And who cares? He he won in 2024 by kind of a lot and they won the House in the Senate. Like his whole stick is based on being cheated and being screwed over by crooked everybody. And so he's like the cognitive dissonance to win everything and then come to people and say, you can't trust the elections are elections in this country or crooked. Everybody's lying to NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Meet the Press, Kristen Welker. Everyone is crooked and everyone is lying to you when you're talking about the system that gave you the power that you have right now. Exactly. Yep. And it's a distraction from the fact that they have all the power and they haven't done a fucking goddamn thing with it. Except for really interesting to me because your elections are fraudulent. Yes. Who's in charge here as whole. Right. Yeah. Your Congress, your 30 states that you control. I know. Also, if the Democrats were able to control the elections, why did they let Donald Trump win in 2024? Right. If they stopped him in 2020? Yeah. Like it doesn't... Like, huh? Like I don't understand. Logic doesn't apply. And they let him win in 2016? Yeah. But that's the thing. Like Trump knows as well as everybody else. Logic is not an element here. Like he's looking at this and going, oh, the people who are going to subscribe to this are not going to think about it that way. They're going to go, I say it enough and they go, yep. It must be true. 100%. That's what he does. And he knows, like, that's the magic of Trump is that he doesn't ever think about what he's doing and like the... All he thinks about is what are people going to think if I do it? And that... Right. It's honestly the best, like from a political... Like a strictly I'm going to win in politics perspective. Great fucking strategy. That's the only way it should be done. You know, that's the obvious why Democrats lose because they think too much about, well, what if this and what if that? He's like, no, who... When the people I want to think a certain way, what are they going to think? That's the only thing he considers. Everything else is all blur. He doesn't care. Yeah. I mean, a lot of this is just like he wants to portray himself as strong. Right. And that's what a lot of people want. And like I do think not the lying part, but like, you know, there are lessons there for Democrats. And I mean, even Zoran Mamedani is a perfect example of like, he hasn't apologized for anything. He's like, no, I'm doing the things that I'm going to do and I'm pushing forward. Yep. I'm going to make a big deal about this rich guy, like not paying his taxes and all these things. You know what? Most people, you know, his numbers are higher than they've ever been. And crime was just last month was again, record dropping. Right. And like, but like, I think whoever is going to be our nominee in 28 is just going to have to, not that they should lie. That's not the message, but like being strong, being confident and owning your shit and not being like, well, what I really meant to say, you know, like none of that. Like you got to stop that. Exactly. You know. Yeah. I totally agree. I think a lot about like, on the left, we always try to lead with understanding. We try to lead with apologies. We try to like have a soft approach, but the only reason anyone should ever really apologize is if you like, like a genuine apology is if you did something that at the time, you knew that you shouldn't do. Yes. It doesn't mean apologize for a mistake because you can't rewrite history. You can't like change how you're, you know, it's hindsight. It's 2020. If you were doing a thing for the right reason, and this is what Trump always says, I'll never apologize for fighting for like ordinary Americans or whatever, like it's full of shit. But if, if you're driven by a defensible force, which mom Donnie is like affordability for New Yorkers, like that's kind of always the backbone of everything he does. Even if something doesn't go well or it takes longer, like you don't apologize for that. You don't go and say, sorry, Obamacare wasn't perfect. You say, I will never apologize for fighting to get affordable healthcare for regular people. And you just stay on that shit. You know when you need to apologize because you knew when you did the thing that you did something wrong. Exactly. Well, do you know who else should not do any apologizing? It's my transition. Scott Kelly. Kelly. You're fucking right. Yes. So lots of talk here, but basically just to recap, because I think I did mention a little bit on my, on my solo adventure. So yeah, that's right. That was before his New York Times interview, though. Yes, it was. So basically, you know, Barry Weiss and Nick Bilton, who is a reporter, a technology reporter with no TV experience whatsoever, no production experience whatsoever, producing experience whatsoever. Obviously these two were brought into kill CBS news in all of its various entities. The most important part though of this story is that 60 minutes is a cash cow. It is one of the most profitable shows that CBS has. And what they decided to do was they were going to be like, oh, well, we're going to fire a bunch of people and we're going to bring in some other people. And Joe Rogan's name was floated, though I think that finally died. But and then there was the infamous Scott Kelly standing up in a team meeting and basically grilling the shit out of Nick Bilton, who had no answers to anything and the entire not cast a crew, but the entire team was either applauding or laughing when he made a joke or made a sarcastic comment. And then of course, Nick and Barry could not handle that and they hired him for costs. And then he did this, this interview. Right. The there are so many layers of this story that are insane, especially after hearing Kelly's interview. I watched Kelly's interview with the New York Times and read the whole transcript and everything because there's so much in there. But the thing that was the like the macro takeaway was how completely out of their league, Barry Weiss and Nick Bilton are. And I've I've worked in TV news at a much smaller scale than this, but it's enough to understand that the scale change between what Barry Weiss and Nick Bilton have done, which is either print or print and digital, but it's written journalism and what CBS news and specifically 60 minutes does the the number of people it takes to put together a print news piece, even like New York Times quality is probably like five or six, including the interviewees. You know, you you call your subject. Sometimes you email them questions. It's kind of you don't usually want to do email, but it's a it's a handful of people. You write all the words, you ship it off to an editor. They make some revisions. Legal will look at everything and then it can go to publication. If it's digital, there's no consequence to a missed deadline. Like you might say we want this up by 6 p.m. But if it goes up at 7 p.m., it just means the headlines on the website haven't changed until 7 p.m. instead of 6 p.m. TV news. 160 minutes piece, I'm guessing is probably 100 to 200 people involved because you've got camera crews. You have literal vans of equipment, millions of dollars of gear, people, professionals driving around shooting these interviews. You've got to be on site wherever you're going. He talked about one one episode in Minneapolis. You've got to have all these crews there. You've got to feed the information back. You've got to edit it. You've got to make the narrative make sense. And you've got to get it online for you. You've got to get it uploaded and gested into whatever server so that they can air it when the time comes. And if you miss and TV news, like they're they're they lease the airwaves from us. If you miss a deadline, you're advocating a responsibility to the viewers that you that you took on when you said, I want these airwaves so I can give you news. And you're also setting it up so that when your time comes to air that broadcast, it is just fucking black. Like it cuts to your channel. It cuts to your broadcast. And if there's not something there to ship, if there's not something there to hit play, you're not there in front of the camera with your human body in your suit with your makeup. It just goes black. And it is a fucking disaster. And and Barry Weiss has never experienced consequences like that for missing deadlines. Nick built and as a tech journalist and a documentarian has never experienced consequences for missing a deadline like that. So they come in and they they meet all of these journalists, many of whom almost all of whom have been doing it for decades, including like, I think Scott Pelle 37 years. Um, you don't take that job when you know you can't do it. This is not a learn on the job situation. This is a thank you so much for thinking of me. I would be a fucking psychopath to accept this job offer. No, thank you. Please hire a serious professional, but obviously Nick built in and very wise are not serious professionals. Well, those two also have humongous egos and Barry Barry has struggled with the truth her entire life, which is partially why she left time the New York Times, because they were starting to question some of the stuff that she was doing. And I think she she did a good job of portraying like portraying that she was being oppressed, which set her up perfectly to write a right wing wet rag, like the free press, which is a joke name too. But the other part on that about the TV stuff that's so bad, right? It's like all that stuff is 100% true. You also are going to get phone calls from advertisers who spend millions and millions of dollars running car commercials and golf commercials and pharmaceutical drugs and all of these things that power the network. And if you, you know, CBS, I mean, they 60 minutes has had like one of the greatest lead ins of all time, right? Sunday night football, which helps keeps their audiences big. But like there's even talk like if enough people leave right now, they won't they won't be able to start the season in September, which will be millions lost on top of millions lost from the CBS Evening News, which the second they went to Tony Dickapolly or whatever the fuck his name is, who basically was like, yes, I will be, I will be your person after what they did has plummeted millions of viewers. So like if the goal was to destroy CBS, they are successful. If it's anything else, they are complete fucking idiots. I think Pelley said they had 2.5 billion views last year, which is like a third of the human population saw, you know, saw something. He also pointed out that under their new leader that was the first time CBS 60 minutes had been led by a woman last year for a full season. And they had 9% growth in views, which for a 75 year old, like incredibly mature broadcast format and a mature program, 9% growth is crazy. It's absolutely crazy. You can't grow faster than the American population at that point. The market is saturated. So getting getting views means that it's coming at the expense of all of your competitors, which only happens when you are that much better. And to be clear, most TV has been seeing declines for years. So a 9% increase for anything is crazy is massive. And Barry looked at that and said, nah, I don't want that. Let's get rid of that. Get rid of all the people who drove that growth. Yeah. And he also said 190% growth in digital views. And so in their digital reach over the over the course of the season. But that was always 60 minutes was always the place that if a politician wanted to talk about big news, they went on 60 minutes, whether it was Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Barack Obama or George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, like they had it. And now there is not a Democrat on earth that I think would go on that network right now for anything breaking, because frankly, all of their supporters would rip them to shreds as they should. Yep. So like, I don't know. I did make a joke on my solo show that Scott should come to find. I offered Scott a platform on Find Out. Find out. I'm sure somebody's going to back up a truck of money to him. And actually, and I know there's conflicting thoughts on Scott Galloway, but he actually was talking about something last week that is not a bad idea. He's like, he's like, Scott Pelley and who is the other one? Oh, and Anderson Cooper, like Ted Serendus from Netflix. Should go to both of them to be like, I'm going to pay you both $10 million each. And we're going to have a show called The Hour. And where it's going to be a weekly show or 59 minutes. And it's going to be a weekly show. And we're going to eat their fucking lunch. That's cool. And you know what? Like, it's not, I mean, the lawsuit might be too, but like any name, Netflix doesn't have any live. They've got money to burn. Like that would, I mean, that's a really smart idea. It's not a terrible idea. They could capitalize on people's shortened attention span. It's called 30 minutes and just fucking half of it would be perfect. Yeah. Or no conflicts. What I should have done, and this is going to be lost in all of you, I think, but there was a Saturday live in the seventies. They had a joke back when all the Beatles were still alive. Lord Michaels did this bit in like 1978. And he's like, I have a message for the Beatles. John Paul, George and Ringo. He's like, we want to present you an offer to reform. And, and I have the check right here. I have a check made out to the Beatles for $3,000. So it was like this joke, right? Like this joke, because it's like three grand. They were getting in the, in the seventies, they were getting tens of millions of dollar offers, all stuff. Well, apparently John and Paul were at the Dakota when it happened. They almost went down because it was live because it was live. So like I should have done a Scott Pelley. I should have been Scott. Find out is ready to present you with an offer of $500. To join the find out network, find out podcast, find out media. I should probably get the right name first. I'm work shopping this live. Please bring your own camera and crew. And we can't give you much of a rider. No, I mean, no, I mean, Pelley is, I think he said he was 69 or something. 68. Like he's, if I were him, I'd ride off into the sunset. But, but on behalf of journalism and on behalf of America, like all of these people, they will land somewhere else. Like Stephen Colbert will land some like the amount of power you can't. I mean, that's the one good thing about the free market and capitalism is like, you can't constrain a person who can pull numbers. Somebody is going to monetize that. Somebody's going to say, how do we get Scott Pelley on our, on our channel immediately? And the options are, are winnowing, but there's also an opportunity for somebody like John Stewart or Stephen Colbert to just start a new show. Network, a new cable network. Like even if it's just digital only, like you can't take those eyeballs away from those people because they earned them. Well, right. And Scott, I mean, I mean, he's been on TV forever and people really respect him. And even in the, even in the New York Times interview, he was pretty reserved. Like he wasn't, he wasn't throwing bombs. He was saying, yes, there is a, right. He was thinking about his people. Well, yeah. Then there was the conversation about like Trump called him like on it, stupid. It was like, are dumb and like dull. And stiff and unpatriotic. And like he hadn't heard that was, but the on the fly thing, he's like, he's like, you know, stiff, sure. What was the other dull or whatever it was, sure. Unpatriotic. And he paused. And that's one of the moments when he starts to well up and he goes, you know, I didn't serve. But like, I've been in combat. I've been in Fox holes. I've been shot at. And the last time I checked, the president of the United States has done none of those things. And I thought, man, what an answer on the phone, all right, off the cuff, like just a f*****g dagger in the, in the heart. It was perfect. No, his, his delivery on that too. I mean, it's like, f*****g this guy's a performer because he wasn't performing, but he knows how to say a line. And the, the, he paused when it mattered most. My wife and I watched that together on the couch last night on my phone. And I was like, Jesus f*****g Christ, man. It was very powerful, very powerful. What those guys can do is not, I mean, now that we're doing a version of it, it's f*****g hard. Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. And like all of it in the delivery and no arms, which you listen to me, I struggle with that. And, you know, there's all this, and they're just so flawless. And you just look at it and you go, Oh, well, they're just reading. And it's like, no, no, not until you put the headphones on and the mic in front of you and you have a green or a red button in front of you, it changes. And he is just a master, like the Anderson Cooper, another one, right? Storytellers, like they're just, they know how to build the suspense. They need to know how to hold you and they pause for just the right amount of time. And I don't think Barry knows any of that because she's a TV, she's a writer. And I don't, they're, I think they're, they're super f*****g. I don't think they'll come back from this unless, because no one will go work for them except for Fox news. Hey, well, they kept 360 minutes reporters behind and those reporters, or I should say, 360 minutes reporters stayed because they wanted to, Leslie Stahl and two other Whitaker, somebody else right? Right. And then they just said, like, if we leave, then see, then 60 minutes has, like there's no institutional knowledge left, then it's dead, dead. But, you know, so they want to try to keep the lights on in some way or another, because this era will pass. Like every, every one of these eras passes. It's not good. It's going to do a lot of, you know, maybe irreparable damage. CVS news is certainly going to lose probably two thirds of its value. I mean, it's, it's, it's going to take a bath because that, yeah, like you pointed out, like 60 minutes is a cash cow is a money making machine. And when you take the eyeballs away, that's when the advertisers come knocking and that's when the board of directors comes knocking and that's when CEOs and editors and chief and that's when senior leadership just gets f*****g wiped out and they'll all get their golden parachutes and all that bullshit. But there will be a time when we reclaim 60 minutes and it'll be great again. How to use those words. It'll be great again at some point. And it'll just like, that'll just seal the legacy of all the people who f*****g it up. Like, hey, you were given, you were given the Super Bowl and you turned it into Pee Wee football for like five years. And now we're going to turn it back into something that makes people money and you're the idiot who f*****g it up. Well, speaking of f*****g up, I'm going to do this for everyone. Another good transition. That's pretty good. Yeah, that was good. That was clean. Let's talk about grand platinum. Yeah, so never heard of him. Where did it even start? So last week, Rich is immediately distancing himself from him. What's that? Rich is immediately distancing himself from grand planner. Well, I did not get a text from that woman. Never heard of this man. So obviously, story came out about him sending sexually explicit messages, I think to like four to six women is the term. His wife was the one that actually told the campaign this right when they were announcing. And what it appears is that the political director who quit around the tattoo scandal is the one that Lynn leaked this information. So there are accusations. I have not heard any accusations of any sexual assault or anything like that. It actually turns out I'm not going to say their name because I don't know if they want me to, but like I know somebody who dated him. I found out last week and she did a video on TikTok. And you know, she's very honest. She was like it was like late 20s, early 30s in DC. It was a very drunken time. But she's like I had nothing but good good memories of him. There are stories of him being a bit surly at the he was a bartender on the Hill for a while, which if anybody knows anything about being a bartender on the Hill, I would be I would be surly as fuck too, because it's all a bunch of like 25 year olds who think they run the world and treat people that way. Regardless, though, the stories are out there. And so now we are seeing both people saying who gives a shit. We're seeing people who say step down, including two members of Congress. No. By the way, the primary is when you're listening to it, the primary will be actually live. It's tomorrow, Tuesday, the ninth in Maine. And Janet Mills suspended her campaign. There's a couple of writings, but like that's it. Yep. So what do we do about this guys? Are we riding with Platner? Okay, Zach, because you have had the most doubts about him, understandably. Not doubts. I mean, I've always thought he was hands down the best option, just being a Jew. It's hard to live. And be like, Hey, go Graham, you're killing it. Like it's kind of a bummer. Look, I've said multiple times, despite that, if I lived in Maine, I would still vote for the guy. It's nothing that I think is that egregious. But I think what I really like from this that I've taken away is that he has taken the plow through strategy. It's not the cleanest shit. Everybody's like, I'm eating it. I'm going to roll through it. I don't care. And honestly, Trump opened that door. Trump did the exact same thing just by going like, I'm not going to let a scandal fuck me. I'm just going to go straight through it. Doesn't matter how big or small. And I like that they're going that direction, not being like, well, whoops, sorry, let me just destroy my career. Like, no, just fucking unless there's something like awful, then just keep going. It'll be fine. I don't know if you guys know this, but I'm from Maine. And really, really. And what's fascinating to me is I have had people that I knew growing up posting on Facebook about, Oh my gosh, he is a Nazi and he beats women and he is a scam artist. And I'm like, I know you guys voted for Donald Trump, who literally did all of those things, has been convicted or found liable of many of those things. And yet you are sitting here and saying the grand platter is beyond the pale. The dissonance is so crazy. And I actually, because you guys know I did would do this, I wrote them and I said, help me understand. How do you and you know what? Crickets. Not a single person responded to me, because what are they going to say? But I think that is, as you said, Zach, I think that protects him because he's like, yes, that guy fucking was found liable for rape. That guy's got 34 felonies. Like no one's accusing me of doing that. Like, yeah, the tattoo awful. Like I will never like excuse that awful. But he's also done a lot of work in the years since. And if you talk to people up there, and this is the thing that people need to understand about Maine is that if a bunch of people from out of state, as or as we would say, from away, come and say, Mainers, you need to do this. They will do the fucking opposite. Because they're like, fuck you. We live in a pretty tough place to live. We're pretty rural. We're pretty far away. Our weather sucks most of the time. We're going to do what the hell we want. And so people, and then you've seen photos since this came out. Graham still pack in the rooms. Oh yeah. He's still popular. In the end, I think it's an incredibly valuable lesson for the Democratic Party. I think that a lot of operatives are being like, well, I'm very nervous with this. And those people need to be drummed the fuck out because there's nothing to be nervous about. This dude lost nothing from this, in my opinion. Anybody who is basing their vote on some who gives a shit allegations, they're not worth paying attention to. The majority of people don't vote that way anymore. It's just not the arrow we're in. I understand you were rewind to 2015 even. Yeah, sure. This could be the end, but it is not even close to even a bump in the road. You fast forward to November. They'll be like, remember back then with all that shit and be like, not really. Like it's irrelevant. There's too much information, right? And the only thing I would say, and this is a campaign staff thing, is that they should have gotten this shit out when the tattoos. Yeah, it should have been. They should have just got it out of there and get, and they do. Right? I think the difference here was that the wife told a campaign staffer, so they thought that like that was enough. But you've got to protect the candidate. And you got, I mean, I'm sure they didn't want to talk about it for sure. But like, it's like, now is the time to slide this out. Because it wouldn't have mattered. And then we wouldn't be talking about this. I don't know. I don't think you're right. I think that would have been a cascade. I think there you have another option, right? Like here it's different. Now there's a lot of people who are like, yeah, that's true. You know, so I think, I think they saw they had a lot of fucking tailwind with him and they're like, let's not fuck with this. And once we own it, then we can, you know, then it's fine. I mean, she threw the kitchen sink at him and it didn't do any. I mean, whoever's trying to fuck him now, I guess it's this person who's leaking all the shit they should have done it then when she went when Mills was on. Well, yeah. And the thing is, if it was this person, I have to be careful because I've actually talked to this person before. But if it was them, yeah, it wasn't good timing because she did it like 10 days before the primary and Janet at art Mills had already shut down her campaign. And the only other viable candidate was the one that we talked to a Dan Cleveland. He dropped out a long time ago. So like, yeah, there was nobody else. So all the and endorse it. Yeah, it endorsed Janet. But, but all she was doing in this particular case is helping Susan Collins. And I think that the good thing here is that everybody's like, well, but like, he's still better than Susan Collins, regardless. And then there's all these people who are like, well, he's just going to be another Federman. And it's like, well, first of all, first of all, first of all, Buck John, better than second of all, which would you rather have? John Federman or Susan Collins? No, this is easy guys. Easy. I want to, I want a democratic vote. I want a democratic vote for the Senate majority leader is what I want. Right. Well, that's, that's the point. And I'm not making any excuses for John Federman. He sucks. And like, I want him gone. But these people are like, well, he's just going to be another Federman. I'm like, I would take another Federman over six more years of Susan Collins. So that's not even a good argument either. That's fair. And but I, but I don't even think about it. And now, now Federman and, and, uh, uh, Platner are fighting going at it. Yeah. Which is interesting because actually Federman fighting Platner helps Platner. Yeah. Because it helps dispel that myth. It's so, it doesn't make any sense. I don't love John Federman and we don't have to pivot to him. I don't love John Federman, but I remember when Joe Lieberman cost us the majority in the Senate because he got chased out of the democratic party when independent started doing some, some George, George W. Bush it and it, and it, and it fucked us up, fucked us over. I think for, yeah, for his entire like six years, because he was elected as a Democrat and then when independent started caucusing with the Republicans after he got into office. So I don't want to, I don't want to see when it could come down to one vote. I don't want to see Federman do a, do a Lieberman and cost us the Senate majority, uh, right after the election, which is entirely possible if, if Trump can win him over. Yeah, right. He seems pretty anti. I mean, they've talked to, they've asked him a few times. He's pretty like, I think he just hates the whole thing. Yeah, he hates the whole thing. He's clearly not well. We know all know that regardless whether physical or mental, he is not well. And he seems miserable. And I just want him to go away. Like, I don't want him to run again. I want, but he's, Stop taking the rules. Whoever, literally any other Democrat, any, any. Also the way he handles it, because like some of the shit he's saying, like in principle, I sort of agree with like the point, but like the way he's approaching it is fucking awful. Like he's just, he's such a bad salesman of like, like, he's been trying to tell this like, hey, we're like the way we're approaching Trump is wrong because that was kind of the underpinning of a lot of his messages. But then he starts using like people have Trump derangements and like, don't say it like that. Like, don't take that statement and then like that's not how you do this. So like, I don't necessarily disagree with some of the shit he has to say. He just says it like an idiot. Well, and also I'm using their talking points just basically negates any of the criticism that Democrats have for Trump. It's like, you can't see the, it's like, these are unusual times. Yeah. Right. Like this isn't just like saying this about like Mitt Romney or somebody like, you know, this suggests anyway, so it's yeah, but like John Fetterman. I did want to add though, just because I really struggle with like, am I voting for the person, you know, Obama was like a personal hero for me. And he's still unimpeachable. And so I'm like, no, I'm one for one for one on that one. But as we understand this environment we're in, I think it is very healthy for the left to, to migrate to a more transactional relationship with politicians. They're not our heroes. They're not our family members. They're employees. They are our employees. And if Graham Plattener committed a crime, I hope that there's justice. If we find out that he committed a crime, if women are coming out and saying he did this thing and it's illegal, that's a game changing conversation. His wife already issued a video full throated defense of Graham. It's like he's an imperfect person. He's trying to do what's best for me. And that's so far everything has been consistent with that. This is also what happens when we get real people to run for office versus people who have been polishing their credentials since they were eight years old to run for president. Those, those are the people who you find out have a bunch of bodies in their closet because like they've been suppressing all of these weird things their entire lives, but, but not very effectively. So like if, if there are people and probably all of our lives who lead a much messier life than Graham Plattener and I hope nothing else gets worse, but if he's going to go and do the fucking job, if he's going to cast the votes because he's coming from a place of principle in defense of the working class, then I think people may and should vote for him. I agree. I mean, I think it's also like we have to kind of look at it like we're casting a movie and these are actors like politicians are just actors. And like in the end, you got to put the person that is going to play the role the best on give a shit what they're like in their personal lives. Like, I mean, unless it's like egregiously wrong, but like there's a bunch of actors out there that people still go see their movies, even though like they are pieces of shit. Like I mean, Tom Cruise is a fucking Scientologist. His movies, right? Doesn't matter. Like, so I think we have to start understanding like, I know we don't want it to be Hollywood and DC, but it fucking is in a lot of cases. And like Graham Plattener is a very good leading role guy. Like he just he fucking fits the bill. Well, we got to get away from this. Like, I just like they have to be likable. I have to want to have a beer with them. You are never going to fucking meet this person. Right? Like you what you need to know is are they going to vote for universal health care? Are they going to hold the Trump administration accountable? Are they going to get rid of the tariffs? Like, look, I'll be honest, there are a lot of people in Maine who are just like Graham Plattener. And I think people understand that and everybody knows somebody that's gone through some of that stuff. And I think people are going to look at it and go, well, fucking Susan Collins, like, you know, she's never been she's never voted against the Republicans when it mattered. Right. So like, who's the one that has the moral problems here? I mean, the answer is probably both. But like, for my daily life or the our American public's life, Graham Plattener is going to be way better than Susan Collins. And like what happens in his personal life with his marriage is between them, which we preach personal, you know, we preach about like not wanting like politics in the bedroom. Well, here's another example of that. As long as no laws were broken again, to be clear, I don't know. But like, if this is a situation with his with his wife, then it's and they've worked through it already. And he's already talked about, you know, it's dealing with PTSD from being in a war zone. And like, no one seems to be talking about that part either that like, you know, shit happens to people when they come back from war, and it's not good. And you're seeing some of that right now. And like, you know, I don't want to say cut the guy a break, because like, I know some people are very hurt by some of the things he's done. And I understand that. But like, you gotta think about this as the fucking the fucking country is on fire right now. Can you can you can you do the job? And will you do it to the best of your ability? And right? I mean, look at what Trump has done. And he still was never prohibited for running for presidency, which I still don't fully understand how that was ever possible with all these fucking felonies. But if Graham Plattener does something like there's still a scenario where he goes and he votes all the right ways in the Senate, and he is also held accountable for some crime that he committed in. Sure. At that point, you know, do we primary him maybe? But is it better to have women not regain the right to choose? You know, I don't know. Probably no. So I hate that we're in this position. But people are way messier than I ever want them to be. Our backs are against the wall. Like it is not hyperbolic to say that democracy is on the line. It's not. So then when you are in that situation, you do things differently. If this was the 90s, and we were like in this, you know, this fantasy land, which was a thing where we thought wars were over and like the world is moving. I mean, my senior seminar in college was all about this. The whole like, if you have a McDonald's in your in your country, you won't get bombed by another country that has a big Donald's. That got blown to shit literally, literally, like, literally. But but but like, okay, in that time when we can be like, you know, that's this guy, Bob Pacman, is that his name? Senator Pacman died this weekend. He was expelled from the Senate for sexual harassment in the 90s. Bob Packwood. Yeah, from Oregon. Like that wouldn't happen now. Like they wouldn't do that. Like the Republicans wouldn't kick him out. Right. So like, we're in a situation where it's like, we got a 63 Republican majority in this in the Supreme Court. We don't control the House. We don't control the Senate. We don't control the presidency. We're going to get on our fucking high horse. And like, Barack Obama is not coming through that door. The take was at the Rick Petino thing, he said, when he became the Celtics manager, which was not good because he was terrible at it. But but it's true. So like, you go to I hate to use the Donald Rumsfeld term, you go to war with the with the army that you've got. Now, I don't like that as the guy leading us into a war that he lied about. But in this particular case, it's true. Sorry. That's where we're at. And we got to act accordingly. We solve that good. No one online is going to complain about this anymore. No, no one is going to be a man at all. We're all set. I got I got lit up for my planner takes the last few days, like, he spent too much time on the threads. It's fucking I know, I know, I know. I'm so much better on text than video. That's just so much like every time I open it, I think I'm going to get a different thing. I'm like, I'll find some interesting shit within two minutes. I'm like, fuck it. I'm out. I can't. Well, the rage made on there, it's like, they'll say what I'm trying to think of something egregiously stupid. But it's like a lot of misogynist takes a lot of racist takes because people are just doing it for the I think there's a coordinated right wing effort to drive liberals on threads crazy. 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