Tasty Butts and a Troubled Lake (Southern Hospitality Full Recap)

So as promised, every week I will start the same way. She's 100% racist, and I'm not going to let go of this point, because every week I'm like, there's no way, there's no way she could double down again. No way she could triple down again. Maybe this week it'll click, and it doesn't. And she's still racist. Racist with a victim complex is a very dangerous combination. It's a combination that I don't think we should see on TV, but I still feel, I still feel pretty confident that they're going to put her in her place. As there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos, it will be open at 8 o'clock. And so that'll make it a f***. I don't need the spotlight. I shine just fine. Hi, I'm Karma. And yes, I am a bitch. Bravo bros. Good evening, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Bravo Bros, your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody. For whoever wants to listen, I'm your co-host, Steel Russell joined as always by late night Mugut. What's up, dude? Well, I was having a lovely Sunday. It was beautiful outside coming back from the shore, doing a little grilling. You know what ruined my day? And me being racist? No, I didn't watch it today. I watched it the other day. And today my day was ruined by a to be continued while watching Beverly Hills. I thought we were done. I thought it was season finale the other night. And lo and behold, we get a to be continued, which means four more weeks. It's sort of like the worst version of the groundhog coming out and being like, hey, six, six more weeks of winter, we get four more weeks of Beverly Hills. I will not be happy until that show is over. And then I will start to be happy again for about six months. And they'll be like, well, we got to pick up the cameras because it's crazy out. It's not, it's not, but we're not here to talk about that. I'm just here to tell you guys how my day was ruined by Beverly Hills. It's an ominous presence in my life that I need to be rid of. And I will do anything to get rid of it. Yeah. I was having a really good day too. And then I had to do my taxes so that immediately ruined my day. But then Kevin, I went skateboarding at a skate park for like two hours. That was, yeah, it was awesome. It was pretty dope. Not going to lie, but that brought my spirits back up, but I haven't watched Beverly Hills yet. So I'm sure that'll ruin my attitude as well. But like you said, we're not here to talk about that. We're here to talk about a very good show, a very, very good show. Top two, I would say it's hard for me to argue that Rhode Island is not number one right now, unfortunately for Southern hospitality, but they are doing a wonderful job this season. And Emmy's still racist. So why don't we jump in to this episode, rip the bandaid off, but we start out where we left off last week. And obviously the lake and Michael stuff is still pretty heated and lakes now at a point where she's just trying to figure out how to approach it. What is she going to do? I understand. Right. And like we can kind of lump this whole thing together since it's kind of sporadic throughout the beginning of the episode. I get Michael's upset. I get it's a very sensitive topic. It's got a little extra oomph to it. Totally understand that. I at some point, can you lighten up a little bit? Like I felt so bad for her, but I understand on one hand, I'm like, well, no, she wronged him. I get it. But on the other hand, it's like, okay, but aren't you guys like brother, sister? Like, can't we lighten up a little bit? It could be that honestly. I think when I'm really thinking about it, because again, I mean, it's, it's of a topic that we will never really understand how deep it is and what it actually means between Michaels and Lake. But if I'm looking at it from a friendship standpoint and where they are, I think it's just simply where Michael's is. And we talked about last week how he actually does seem to like this. And I think this episode kind of confirms that he enjoys being in that position of power for a little bit and kind of throwing his weight around. But I do think at the root of everything, the very stem of what's going on, I think he holds Lake in a much higher regard. And I think the topic, I think the context of everything going on and obviously how everybody feels about Emmy, he's pissed off that she did that because it got back to Emmy. It's not like she went and ran and told Emmy, even though she's saying that they're friends. She told Ella and there's too many Ella's, Bella's, whatever going on. So if I mess up one of their names, I don't care. They'll get over it. We'll all get over it. Just combine them and call her Bella. Everybody's Bella. Everybody's Bella. Yeah. I think that the context of it obviously brings the severity up a lot more, but I do think he holds Lake in a much higher regard. So when she did that, well, we're looking at it and we're like, okay, I get it. But you know what? She's involved, which we get into a little bit later during the apology scene while we're sitting down for dinner, but she is involved and she does in my, at least in my way of thinking, she does have a right to talk to other people about what's going on. Maybe she spilled the beans a little too much, but obviously when it comes to their friendship, I don't know the inner workings of their friendship. So maybe he's been through this before. And we saw that conversation with Lake and her mom the week before. I think that she's done this a couple of times and he's like, dude, enough. Like, I don't know what you want me to do. So I'm going to give you the cold shoulder for a full 24 hours and I'm going to make it really awkward for you. And I'm going to put you in a bad position until you understand how pissed off I am, because I don't want to just come back to you and have a conversation and squash it because I've done that before and you've done this to me before. So I do need you to know, I don't like it when you do this. And I think that might be it. And again, does he take it a little too far? At first he made a couple of funny comments. The cold shoulder was a little funny. The power trip was a little funny, but I do think he took it a little too far. And even he probably felt bad and he didn't want to do it. So it's fine. The way it is at the end of the episode, they're obviously cool. The way he went about it was fine for a certain, a certain amount of time. And I do think he took it too far. And I think he even felt bad about that. I think you nailed it though. I think it's, he holds her to a different standard because they're so close. I think the other aspect of it, now that I think about it more. Because of his relationship with his family, obviously being strained, I think that he, his family is his friends, as he says himself. So I think that it stings even more. So I think that's an extra layer to this entire thing. So I get why he got that heated. Like it makes sense to me, but I did feel like genuinely bad for Lake because she was really going through it. As they're setting up the party, we find out that Michaels did Cotillion and TJ's make jokes at them. They're still vibin. The chemistry still there, which is going to culminate. If that's what you want to say this evening, they're going to culminate tonight, but they're going to culminate into Lisa Barlo. To Lisa Barlo. Oh, that's right. They were watching Salt Lake. Yeah. Oh, I'm so happy I get to break this due to they, uh, I guess they're doing confessionals right now for Salt Lake. I think they're already filming. So they're definitely already filming. So they were doing confessionals. The producer showed both Lisa and Bronwyn. Oh, good. This scene, and obviously Lisa's reaction was, oh my God, they're having sex to me. That's so great. That's iconic. And it's like, okay. Bronwyn's like, Hey, I'm here too. What are we doing? Like I'm happy that they're watching me, but pay attention. Pay attention to the scene. It's very important. Go back and rewatch if you guys missed anything, but it's still very funny. And I love that they were doing it, but immediately, and I, I'm jumping at the gun a little bit, but turning on Salt Lake City and then having sex is great. Yeah. I mean, what a good way to set the mood. You know, nothing sets the mood like Lisa Barlow yelling at somebody or Meredith Marks, slurring her words. But Emmy obviously still has this, this idea that she's going to sit down and talk to Brad, that she wants to air out her side of this whole thing because she's been silenced. No one's listening to her. She's the victim here and she's going to let everyone know that. So she goes to Brad says, Hey, whatever you're ready, I'm ready to have this conversation and I'm ready to explain that this is what I felt and this is what I meant. Like that's immediately, we're not even to the conversation. I'm like, you don't get it. No, you don't get it. You don't understand why you're in trouble. Like that's what pisses me off. I think she, it's almost like she has a loose understanding about how disagreements go. She has a loose understanding about how putting people in bad positions and having an argument with somebody and needing to have it out goes. Like it's almost like she's been through this before, but she never understands exactly what's going on. She doesn't understand her words is very, very, uh, we're very attuned to understanding that Emmy always uses microaggressions when she's talking about anything. It doesn't matter what she's doing. If she's trying to apologize for using microaggressions, she will use a microaggression to apologize for the microaggression. She's done it three times already, even before this scene. So going to her confessionals, coming back, talking to her sister, talking to Justin on FaceTime, like every single time it's like, dude, you just, you don't understand it. So her having this, this sense of entitlement, like, you know what? I know Brad's mad at me, but I need him to know why I'm hurt. No, like you don't understand what's going on here at all. We're still mad at you. You probably could have moved on. I don't think you should have deserved to be able to move on, but you could have moved on and you've made things worse for yourself. That's why Brad is remad at you. That's why everybody is remad at you is because of the way that you've been carrying on. She still thinks like, ah, you know what, maybe it's just some leftover, a little leftover resentment and we need to be able to squash this. He needs to understand where I'm coming from so that he further understands where he's coming from. And then we can meet in the middle somewhere and that's how apologies. No, it's not how apologies work. You are far gone from that. Just stop talking and then maybe you'll stop getting in trouble because when she says again, an in confessional before the conversation, she goes, I don't want to fight, but I'm not going to take accountability for something I didn't do. God damn it. Because it's not an excuse to just not know what you're doing, right? Cause everyone's telling you what's going on. So it's, it's up to her now to look in the mirror and go, what am I missing? What's going on? Why are they still pissed off at me? But the fact that she says, I'm not going to take accountability for something I didn't do it, you did it. Now you can claim that your intention was different, that you didn't intend to use a microaggression, which I don't believe either. I think, you know, exactly what you're doing. And I think that you use white woman tears to try to get out of it. As Brad says so eloquently, like later, I was like, yes, that's exactly what she's doing and it's infuriating, but you don't get to get a pass because you didn't understand what you said because you still said it and everyone's telling you why that's wrong. And it is now your job to go, Oh, I wasn't aware of that. Maybe I'm sorry. That's all like say sorry and shut up. I just, I have, I have no idea how to even further explain this because we're back in this position because you went and told Justin, they don't even know that you talked to your sister. We know you talked to your sister and we're laughing about it. And you said worse things to your sister than you said to Justin. Yeah. Which now we understand, we've always understood how it's going to go with the reunion when that gets rolled out. And it's unfortunately we're, we're, we're in the realm now, which really sucks to where Brad's just going to move on. Like it's just not worth it. Like it's truly just not worth it. Obviously that friendship is gone. And I feel bad for Brad too, because now he's got these weirdo fucking white people in the South messaging him being like, Oh, so you can move on and apologize and feel like you can move on with a black woman. But if a white woman comes to you and wants to apologize, you're not going to give her the time of day. That's racist. It's like happening right now. Yeah. Brad posted it last week after the episode aired. So I mean, I'm not surprised it happened because they're scumbags, but yeah. Like that's where we are. That's where we're going to be is it's not worth it. Every time we do this, she's clearly not being sincere. She doesn't understand what she's saying. She doesn't understand the problematic nature of what she's doing or treating anybody else. It's not worth it because when we try to talk to her about it in an honest conversation, not even in like a, let's corner her. Like I thought folly islands was going to be a let's all gang up on her and just show her exactly how bad of a person she is. They still were being nice about it. They were trying to educate her. They're trying to get past it because they still have this like hurdle of maybe she didn't know what she was doing. Maybe she didn't understand why she was saying things that were wrong. We'll try to educate her. We'll try to get her through to the other side. So she doesn't do this again. She doesn't care. She simply doesn't care. She thinks she's better than you. That's what it comes down to. Yes. She probably has will whispering in her ear. Like you're better than that. And you don't even need them. Then why is she still on the show? Like that, that's what I never really understand, but it's not going to be worth it. Like we'll get to the reunion. We'll start talking about her conversation with her sister and she'll start hubbub renovating and everyone's just going to look at her like, oh, okay. I guess we'll just move on. Like everybody's going to be Lake from last reunion looking at her like girl, come on. What are we doing here? Exactly. And this conversation sucked and it sucks that Brad's hearing shit from some fucking idiots down there. Like that's so stupid. There is a very clear distinction in what's going on with this group. Right. The issue he's having with Lake is night and day compared to the issue he's having with Emmy. It's not the same thing. So for anybody to make that comparison is so dumb. Just fucking stupid. Brad's not even like having much of an issue with Lake. Michael's having an issue with Lake. Brad's cool with Lake. They had a conversation. They talked about it. He knows where she's coming from. They've been completely cool. Like throwing Lake into all of this as if Brad has the same like thing to squash with Lake as he does with Emmy. No, I think the Lake situation is just more confusing. We talked about it last week. We don't really understand why Lake and Emmy are friends. We don't understand why Lake is sticking by Emmy and looking at her actions and being like, yeah, you know, she feels bad about it or she'll apologize or she doesn't understand what she's doing. Like all of us sitting at home who aren't even part of the situation are looking at it the correct way. No, she's, she has no remorse. She sat down and took that and immediately turned away like, they don't even know what the fuck they're talking about. These people of color don't know what they're talking about when they're talking to me about microaggressions. Oh, come on. I would never do something like that. They don't understand who I am. They do. We all do. Come on. It's very, very obvious and real world. In fact, Banana, real world implications, by the way, because now Brad has to deal with that. Right. Emmy, here's a great lesson. If the same situation happened with you. Okay. And you were in Brad's shoes in some way, shape or form. All right. Obviously not in the same setup, but in an argument or disagreement with people. Nobody would be texting you or DMing you saying, oh, you can apologize to a white guy, but you can't apologize to that wouldn't be happening. But it's happening to Brad because you started all this bullshit and now there's residual effects all standing from your race. Emmy sees that and she's like, right. Thank God somebody has my back. Somebody gets where I'm coming from. And that's even more of a problem. It's so fucking annoying, but they sit down to talk and, you know, she's like, again, even the leadoff, I'm like, oh, you don't get it. She's like, I didn't mean to offend you. I wish I would have changed the word unsafe. It was my safety or the fact that I felt unsafe. Like, what the fuck are you talking about? And Brad, I think Brad is so fed up with this. He's just phoning it in. He's like, yeah, that's what you said. Okay. That's what you, and he's doing it the right way. Like just literally put it back on her. That's what you said. Well, just to clarify, my safety was never my concern. Well, that's not what you said because you said you felt unsafe. You, you've understood the words that she is. Yeah, we're just repeating what you said. And then she says, I've been passive about my apology. What? What the fuck's going on? Like just say I'm sorry and walk away. But as she keeps trying to spin this narrative and figure out a way to dig herself out of this hole, Brad just clocks and says, look, I don't believe anything you say. I don't believe anything you say because you say one thing to me. And then you go say something to somebody else. And she's like, well, what did I say? It's like, don't you know he's going to drop it on you. You know what's about to happen. You know you've been talking shit and you're still going to play aloof. She's like, what do you mean? Well, you FaceTime Justin and said the only reason that you apologized is so that I didn't ruin your life. Cue the hyperventilating. Boop. And then I didn't even see this one coming. Well, you know, I should have meant my apology and then I didn't get apologized back and you know, I shouldn't have done that because you didn't say sorry to me after I apologized to you. That's not the way I should go about it. You missed everything. You haven't even locked in on what you should be apologizing for. Now you're you're spinning it and saying because you didn't receive a reciprocal apology. That's where this went south. He doesn't owe you a fucking apology because your boyfriend cheated on you because it's like, I don't even think that I really don't even think that I mean knows what she would want an apology for. Like I half expect her to get to a point if Brad even decided that he had it in him to be like, Hey, let's have a real conversation. What did you want an apology for? Would she pick door number A that you guys were perpetuating of rumor that we'll cheat on me? Yeah, I don't know. It's been a long day or door B that you made me feel unsafe while I was at a hotel room with my fiance and on the phone and I was clearly talking about you guys or see some other weird reason that would make any sense. I think she might go C, but I don't really think that she understands what she would even want an apology for. Again, that's why I was saying she has a very loose understanding of how apologies work or how situations work. She expects to be apologized to she expects to meet in the middle and then let's let bygones be bygones. I'm sorry for what I did to you. You're sorry for what you did to me. We can move on. That's how she thinks that's what she thinks the situation is. She doesn't really have a grasp of anything going on. But then when I think that when I'm thinking she really doesn't get it, she does get it because she goes and talks to her sister and she goes and talks to Justin, she clearly understands why Brad is mad at her. She understands why the rest of the table was talking about microaggressions. She just doesn't think she did it. She doesn't think that she did it. She thinks that they're trying to paint her as a different person than what she is. And they think that they're really just drumming it up. So that they can make sure that nobody ever talks to me again. Like I just, I don't know. And look, I don't blame anybody if they just move on from Emmy and stop talking to her, it's not worth it. It's clearly not worth it. No, no, because the way that this conversation ends, again, when he brings up the, you went and said this to Justin afterwards, she's like, well, let me be very clear about the context. There is no context. There's no, like you didn't say something that was subtle. It's very black and white, very straightforward. And now you're trying to use this whole victim card because Brad's not giving you the time of day. Brad shouldn't give you the time of day. And the only thing he could do to make this worse is to use another microaggression. Yeah. But of course she's going to, because she goes, look, and this also paints exactly why she wants to do this. She gives their intention in this conversation. She says, I meant my apology and folly. I would rather make up and have a good summer. She doesn't want to feel uncomfortable in the group anymore. That's the only reason she's even broaching this topic to try to clear the air with Brad because she doesn't want to feel icky and weird around these people. Stop being racist and you'll probably feel better and fit into the group better. But attack. I don't want to attack each other. And Brad's like, no, no, no, there's no, no, no, no attacking going on. And again, you fucking did it again. And she's going to be like, I didn't mean that. That's not the point. And I feel like I'm going insane. It's not that difficult of a concept to grasp, but cue the hyperventilating, cue the fucking white lady tears and cue nobody giving a shit. Emmy grow the fuck up. Get off the show. Like you do not need to be on this show. It's bad for your mental health. You're an asshole. Like it's not like fun when Emmy gets on the screen. Like she is the only detriment on this show. Everybody else is having a great time, but you have this racist asshole that's just ruining it. Go away. Yeah, I agree. Okay, cool. Me too. Well, Brad goes to talk to Julia and you can tell, like I almost think he needed that convo just to firmly shut that door. You're like, I thought I was done. I'm definitely fucking done now. So I think that that was a big step. And while that's happening, Emmy is playing the victim and using big words again. You not letting me get my point out is so silencing, silencing, silencing, silencing. You are a loony tune. Dude, you can't silence a white woman, I guess. That's what I'm getting. I guess. I don't know. It's just there's there's nothing more to be said. There truly is nothing more to be said. Well, Michael's going to ready to launch your business. Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs. 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Yeah, because you had the chance too. And you fucked it up. I'm not going to keep, like we've harped on it enough. You know, the big takeaway from this moment is Lake tries to peek in and Michael's is pretty much like, get the fuck out of here. I don't want to talk about any, but yeah, he literally looks over and goes, no, we don't need a fucking audience. That one I laughed at. This was the last time that Michael said something to Lake. That's really funny. Like he's really just hammering this home. That one is really funny. I'm going to let him have that. But right after this is where I was like, all right, that's enough. That was it. You should have just cut it off there. Allowed her to come over and just give you her two cents. Talk through it, explain your feelings, explain how all of this is going on. But he just took it too far after that one. That was it. You climaxed. That was good. Yeah, no, it was a great climax. Well done. But we get to dinner and Emmy's taking a breather inside and Mia goes to talk to her. Now I was hoping that maybe this conversation, because Mia was so very blunt with her about trying to paint why everyone's mad and why she should understand that everyone's mad because she and she does it. She's literally talking to a two year old. She's slowly leading her down the path. We don't want to eat without you. But can you understand that Brad feels a certain way that is valid and you can't control how he feels about what you said? Do you get it? Well, you're just having such a good day. Okay, let me try again. If you were Brad, you wouldn't like you either. Yeah, you're right. I'm just trying to take accountability. No, your accountability window closed. Okay. You had a chance. You didn't do it because you're an asshole and you're racist. So you didn't. You understand? This scene was great for me because it just again proves how good the rest of the cast is. Like Mia could have gone in there and just tore her apart. There's no point in tearing her apart, but there is somewhat of a point. I guess, I mean, they've known each other for a long time. So I get it. She wants to go in and just really just try to appeal to her, try to make her understand what's going on, not baby her, not check in on her as Emmy probably thinks everybody's coming into check on her, which is only going to make things worse because she's just going to completely go off the deep end, keep hyperventilating, maybe make sure that everybody understands that she's the victim in the situation, whatever, but it's not. It's, it's Mia going at it from a different angle. All right, Brad is done. Brad doesn't want to keep talking about this. He doesn't want to keep doing this with you. He feels like it's a lost cause. Everybody else is steering clear. TJ wants nothing to do with you. Let me go in and try to appeal to you and get you to understand what's going on. No, you don't understand. Okay, cool. We're done. We're done with this whole thing. Yeah. Exactly. That's the vibe I got. Like this is Mia saying, I'm going to explain it to you. And then we're not talking about this show anymore. That's the vibe. I guess. So hopefully thingy's crossed, but Emmy joins the table. She just simply can't help herself either because like the stakes on the table, then I'm going to stop talking about her for the rest of the episode because she bums me out. She picks up the stage goes, it's a little medium. Shut up. Shut up. You have a problem with everything. I can't stand you. Now I'm done talking about her. So anyway, Lake is people are trying to figure out what's going on with her. Cause obviously they've noticed her not having the best attitude. She's kind of down. So, hey, Lake, what's going on? Well, you know, she overheard you guys talking about her and you would think that Michaels would like start to reign it in and be like, okay, this seems like a good time for everybody to talk about it. I'm 1000% you're lying. You're fucking lying. Quit. He starts screaming at her. I was like, Oh no. Oh, and she thought he got it all out. I really did think he got it all out all day and the way that only he can do it. Nope. He was ready to go. He was boiled over and ready to go after her. Yeah. And went after her. He did. And even when she gets up crying and running away from the table, he's chasing after her going, you don't get to play the victim. I cannot be friends with you if you continue sobbing. Absolutely sobbing. I even wrote down in my notes, Hey man, chill. It's not that serious. I know. I saw a lot of people talking about this too. Like Michael's needs to just chill the fuck out. Hey, he opened the season screaming in Molly's face. Now he's screaming in Lake's face. I think this is a much different situation. I took from this again, what I talked about earlier in the episode. This has happened a couple of times. Lake has talked to her mom about this. This has happened again. Stop sticking your nose in other people's business. Stop getting involved. Just do your own thing. Stop talking to people. Just keep your mouth shut. When people come to you about something and it's just the two of you, don't talk to anybody else about it. I think that she's done this a lot. And look, again, we talk about this all the time. I always try to remind people, Lake's like 22 years old. She's going to keep doing this shit. And Michael's is 23. Yeah. And Michael's doesn't quite understand that maybe you don't have to go scorched earth, but I do think that it needed to get to this point. And this is what we needed to see because they do care about each other. Obviously Lake really cares about Michael. So it really hurt her that he was doing this. He felt the need to get the point across to really, really drive it home. This was that scene. Like we needed this no matter what. And again, this is something that I'm going to applaud the whole cast for because take it to the group. Let everybody be there. Let everybody witness what's going on. Even if you don't really know what's going on, you can still catch a vibe. Lake is weird. She keeps walking away. She stopped playing volleyball in the middle of the game. Nobody wanted to talk to her. Everybody kind of understood what was going on. Everything was very palpable. Get it all out. This is the time to do it. Maybe running after her isn't the best call when you're still yelling at her. But it did lead to a good conversation where at least we can finally clear the air. It leads to a great conversation. And I do think the air is fully cleared. But in that scene with Lake before they get back to the table, again, that's where he kind of lays out, you know, my friends are like my family and friendship is very important. I hate that I lost my temper, but my trust is broken with someone. It hurts to a deeper level because he is family with Lake. And so it bummed him out. So anyway, they get back to the table and Brad's trying to get Michael's to take a breath. Lake comes back where there's sunglasses on again. Oh, wait. No, we're not there yet. Oh my God. Oh, I miss this part. Oh, I wish I didn't have to talk about this part. Michael's goes back to the table where Brad is trying to calm him down. Emmy goes to the bathroom to try to calm down Lake. Question mark. No, no, not at all. First and foremost, it's not your fault. Well, that's not true. It is her fault. She's the one that caused this. Did Michael's go too hard? Yeah, but no, this is this is her fault. Actually, it's your fault, Emmy. That's the ironic part. You started all of this. But the craziest thing Lake is beside herself sobbing uncontrollably. Emmy, the craziest thing this had nothing to do with Brad's skin color. And I'll never get to express that to him. Holy fucking shit, dude. Unbelievable. I'm not denying Brad's feelings. This is, I'm happy that Lake and look in the moment, she didn't say anything, but Lake was pretty distraught anyway. When she goes to her confessional, she's like, really, Emmy? We're going to do this now. Like you can see what Emmy's doing. At least Lake can see what Emmy's doing. We all know what the hell she's doing. Everybody else knows what she's doing. This was crazy. This was, oh, cool. I can maybe drive a wedge between Lake and the rest of the group by telling her what's going on and say, we're in the same boat. You're not in the same boat. You're the fact that you don't realize that you're in the same boat or you're not in the same boat. You're not in the same body of water. Yeah. That is part of the problem is that you think what's going on with Lake and Michael's is even remotely close to what you're going through with Brad is crazy. It doesn't make any sense, but it shows you where Emmy is. It shows you where she's thinking, what she wants to do, how she wants to accomplish that. She's trying to pull Lake further away from the rest of the group. So she's on team Emmy, which is apparently very far away. She's not doing that with Maddie and Joe. Maddie and Joe are being nice to her and leaving her alone. They seem to still be friends for whatever reason. You know, I don't really understand all of that, but you know, prerogative, whatever, but they're not doing, there's rather Emmy is not doing that with Maddie and Joe because she knows that Maddie and Joe are too smart and understand all of the things going on. She thinks that maybe she's got Lake exactly where she needs to, to have her fully on her team. Like, all right, cool. Yeah, you understand what's going on because Michael's is being really mean to you. And you know what Brad's being kind of mean to you as well. He's being mean to me and he'll never understand that this is not about the color of it. Shut up. Just shut the fuck up. Go away. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Not denying Brad's feelings, but I need to say my piece. I'm not, not entitled to feel uncomfortable, not allowed to vocalize how I feel. Again, last time you said what you said, that was your chance before. So you are allowed to vocalize how you feel because you have, you've also done it on FaceTimes and in Confessionals. We've heard you vocalize how you feel. We've also watched you lie to Brad about how you feel. So no, this was crazy even for Emmy to go in there and try to do this shit. But anyway, my gosh, Woosa, we get back to the table and Brad feels for Lake. And again, to those dickheads that are DMing Brad, Brad and Lake have been fine. They squashed this already and Lake knows that. So she's not, it's not a Brad. This is a Michaels thing now. She returns. They start talking and Michaels finally softens up a little bit. Lake has a big cry. This was like a good cry. Michaels has a good cry and they, they reunite, which we all wanted to see. And hopefully in the future, she's not talking about people's stuff. And hopefully in the future, if that does happen, well, if it happens again, I don't think I'll ever talk to her. But yeah, we just got a thingies cross that doesn't do that again. I was going to say next time he won't get us mad, but yeah, he probably would. He probably would actually because they already had that conversation. Yeah, let's hope that this was a good learning experience for Lake. Yeah, I think so. And meanwhile, Emmy's sitting there. I knew she was going to do this, but even when it happened, I was like, really? She's like, oh, wow. He accepted her apology and I'm literally right here. They all see you. The Brad piece of this, like that's what doesn't make any sense to me because like this was like a corgeality. Like this was just Brad reiterating. We're good. Correct. We had a conversation. We're okay. You don't have to look at me any differently. It's not like I'm talking to Michaels on the side. Like Lake just doesn't get it or anything like that. Like there's nothing like that is going on. We had a conversation. I understand where you were coming from. We understand each other. We're good. Like we moved on, but I'm going to let you know again, because I know that you're in a bad state of mind right now. Correct. We're cool. We're completely cool. Just to let you know once again, so that you don't have any second doubts. Perfect. Great. Let's move on to the Michael's piece of it because that's where the real issue is. So you guys can have it out, but you do need to have it out and look, Lake, putting her sunglasses on is undoubtedly very funny again, because she did it when she was hammered and made up with Molly and she just moved on, which gives me a lot of hope anyway, but she puts your sunglasses on basically so people can't really see her crying too much. I guess when she is openly sobbing at the table and it's all of the stuff that we already knew. Like you're a brother to me. I felt like you feel like I betrayed you. I'm so sorry for everything. I didn't mean to do it. I just didn't know what I was doing. I didn't realize it was going to get back to it. And I love that they're just like, I didn't realize it was going to get back to her and it's just Emmy sitting at the end of the table. I'm like, great, cool. Let's just refer to her as her constantly. I don't even want to hear her name. Let's just act like she's not even here. I didn't realize it was going to get back to she that shall not be named. Cool. All right, Michaels, you have it out and just tell me everything that you're feeling and Michaels needed this, honestly, because he just really needed her to understand what she did wrong because up until now, I mean, we had our questions, we had our suspicions, but we didn't really know how Michaels felt. We just saw him giving the cold shoulder. We had an understanding of where he was coming from, but this kind of really, it clears the air as to as to what he's feeling the whole time. I agree. I agree. And it's nice to see them reunite. And even amidst all of this happening at the table and even Lake going down this path once again of saying, you know, I am, I'm always an ally and I'm an advocate and I always speak out against these things. Even while she's saying that the only part that I may heard was that she didn't get apologized to. She's explaining the whole this whole thing stems back to you. About like six minutes ago in our podcast, you said last time I'm not, she's got to stop doing stupid. I know she has to stop doing shit. She has to stop talking. And I know of her. Get off the show, please. But anyway, after dinner, we got some shenanigans afoot. You got TJ and Mia. They're fooling around a little bit, getting a little flurry. TJ and Mia, no way. That would be Justin and Mia. Got my notes crossed over here. Well, there was some, there was some like cross mingling. I mean, TJ did show ass. He was showing some ass. He's like, Hey guys, check out my ass. Showed some cheeks. Looks like a great ass. Show some cheeks. Why not? Yeah, great. Now, the me and Justin thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. But again, we talked about it last week. Me is single. Justin, I think it's funny. I think it's fun. He's saying type shit like every five seconds, which it seems like a hit. I got kind of tired of it here in the type shit, but you know, we know how those weekends go. You just kind of have one thing that you latch onto and it's funny every single time. Yeah, type shit. Yeah. I mean, this makes a ton of sense. I guess let's let's see how this goes. We've got Jordan at home who will check in with her in the morning. We have to do all of that. Not really worried about it right now. How many you guys take? Yeah, just make out. What do you guess? You kiss, we kiss. You kiss, we kiss. That's how this is going to work. It seems like TJ and TJ and Michaels had the more fun end of the stick. If you want to call it that. Because that lead to a very, no pun intended. That led to a very fun evening for those two gentlemen. Me and Justin, they're just feeling things out. Yeah. You know, we got some chemistry. This is, this is working. We're having a good time. Let's just have a little smooch and they made them kiss like six times. Okay. All right. This is a no. I don't need to see too much of that, but whatever it gets people going. It gets people fired up and that's what you want to say. Exactly. And as we said earlier, threw in a little Roslick and they got to get, you know, I'm saying, and there is no better mood center than the ladies of Salt Lake. So beautiful scene. It's a beautiful scene. The commentary was very funny too. Because it was like, is that your anteater? It is. Hey, oh, well, that's stuff on your butt tastes good. It was my favorite line. I just wrote, well done, boys. Well, yeah. Let me get to the morning after and I would have punched Justin in the balls immediately. I hate this person on trips. It's me. It's not. I'm, I'm usually up anyway. But I don't like this person that goes around like it's time to get go away, dude. I'm, he's still drunk. That's, I understand. He's marinated for sure. I fully understand what's going on, especially like watching them because there's probably like three drivers, the rest of them. They're just going back to Charleston. I'm a little hungover. I'm going to have them. I'm also, he probably started. He probably just popped the champagne a little early, not feeling great, not driving home. Don't really going to worry about it. Well, I can't be the only one sitting out here. What's everybody else up to? Oh, sleeping. Not for long. We've got some cleaning up to do and we've got some drinking to do boys. Get up. Come on. No. Yeah. I would have punched him in the balls. I'll punch you in the balls. Do that to me. But Molly coming out hung over as shit was very funny. The whole scene is just, I think we've all been in this room at some point in our lives, just, you know, you're recouping from the night before you definitely should have a mimosa or a Bloody Mary just gets you right back to neutral. It just, you just never stop drinking and then you never get hung over. Yeah. I mean, that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is when you're on a trip and you're not in the comfort of your own home where you can properly rot on the couch with a blanket and watch Real House, Salt Lake City or something like that and order some food. You still have to get back to Charleston. That's the worst. You want to be miserable and start your hangover right away? Or do you want to have a mimosa and stave it off for a little bit? Maybe get a little goofy. Maybe you bring a pen down there and you hit the old Benjamin. That could work. Get you somewhere nice for the car ride home and then you get home and then you properly rot and then you could just be dead to the world. That's the way to do it. So if you're going to do it that way, I appreciate that. Molly was very funny though, because apparently she was just, what did they say, drinking from the bottle? Like, which by the way, they made it seem like she went to sleep at 9pm. I was like, oh, Molly, she just had a long day. She was up at 1am, still drinking from the bottle. So she went to sleep, had a great night of sleep, I guess, comes out. It's a very funny, like, mixed match of everybody because you got the other people who were like, yeah, I'm getting ready for the day. I'm getting dressed. I'm ready to roll. And you've got like Mia still wearing the dress from the night before. Like, I really don't give a shit. I'm just wearing what I was wearing last night. I'm not really worried about any of this. That's a good group. That's a very good group on the trip. 100%. And we get to hear about a little bit more, you know, Justin's talking about the Jordan situation and Mia's saying, look, we're not friends. We don't send memes. We don't chitchat. So I agree with her. Like, you don't owe her anything. I fully agree. Yeah. Justin, I can't say the same about, but he did. He did mess. Yeah, he told her. Yeah. Which is more than I anticipated from old Justin over there. I agree. I really like Justin. I think he's he's a good kind of fuckboy if there ever was one. Yeah. But yeah, he calls Jordan. He says he got cussed out and he's like, you know, I probably dragged this situation ship on a little bit too long, which yeah, probably. But at least I was actually impressed that he called her to. I was too. And it looked like when they were panned over to him, that he was really going through it, he probably sent her something. I doubt he called her, but he probably said he texted. Hey, this is what was going on. And he was dealing with it that morning. Like, oh, shit. Knowing their weird situation ship, Jordan was probably in his apartment doing his laundry or something like waiting for him to come home, waiting for him to come home with like a breakfast sandwich. Like, all right, I'm excited for you to come home. We can hang out. I'll help you through your hangover. Oh, oh, OK. Well, I'm not folding your laundry. What are you going to fuck yourself? Yeah, I already folded it, but I'm not going to fold anymore. Yeah, that's tough. It's tough, especially. I forget that she works with all of them when she walked in later. I was like, ooh, that's uncomfortable. Tough dynamic. But Joey is talking about his party. He's sunk five months of rent into this thing. And. This is a tough one because I love Joe. I love Joe very much. He's a he's a very nice person. But this is kind of a microcosm of everything, right? You're so focused on this thing that is self-serving, that you are putting a lot of money into with no real returns. And your other shit is falling to the wayside even more so than we knew as we're going to find out a little bit later. So that's where I struggle. He's so likeable, but at the same time, it's like you want to kind of want to shake him. Yeah, it's a tough situation. I really thought he was going to spin it into maybe Leva shows up to this party. She realizes that I can get things together. And when I really set my mind to it, I do this. By the way, that's going to happen. Nobody hasn't done it yet, which means it's not true. I thought he was going to do it. He didn't do it. He's just hyper focused on it. We're hearing that he sunk five months of rent into that. I guess he talked to the guys because he said he was up in Brooklyn, went to Emo night, which, you know, I'm familiar with all of that. I guess he talked to the guys and said, Hey, you need to come down to Charleston. They said we need a venue. So he probably secured the venue and then secured all other things paid for travel, had them come down. So he's not saying this. He probably didn't need to. I, he probably could have gotten them to come down at any time and just got them in touch with like a venue and that could have been that. And then maybe you get some free tickets and you get to go promote and do whatever you want. Fine. You could have done this a lot of different ways. Drop, pop to sponsor it. Yeah. Like, dude, like anything, anything at all. But I was very surprised that he didn't spin this into Leva can see that I can coordinate this whole party and I can bring a whole lot of value. It has nothing to do with Leva. Actually, what you should have done was probably bring Leva in on the ground floor and say, Hey, I met these guys up in Brooklyn. I'm actually interested in doing something for my birthday. It also coincides with the show. Maybe we can get Republic involved in some way. I don't know. It's just something I'm thinking about, but I'm not really sure of the details and then bring her in on it because then that shows you, Hey, I'm thinking outside the box. Like, yes, you're still going to have the issue that we talk about a little bit later that he's just not engaged. He gets engaged for a couple of weeks and he's, he's showing up. He's getting tables and then he checks out because he's doing something else. You can do both. You're allowed to do both. You're allowed to sit down with Leva and say, you're thinking about this and ask her for some help and then show that you can do both. That's probably the best way to go about it. But we've seen this before. He got hyper focused that he's not, he just dropped the ball at work. Yeah. But we're back in Charleston and Joe and Maddie are waking up and they're having a little conversation before they head out and Joe says he's hung over and you get a very interesting response from Maddie. Yeah. Try to do better at that. What's that? Nevermind. She goes to a confessional and talks about the fact that Joe's going through a lot. You know, his career struggling. He's been coping with alcohol, which is a very layered situation. Given Maddie's history, given Maddie's past, all those things. And as they're going through this little montage of Joe, it kind of confirms that. He literally says, like, I'm getting bombarded for like the first hour or two and I love it, but then I want to drink. Mm hmm. Ah, so you're kind of pointing to it. I thought this was going to be a different situation than I was going to. Like it's, it's obviously it's a weird situation because he's still as far as we know, he's still going out and doing whatever. But like Maddie's your dream girl and she's sober. So there are going to be concessions that you're going to have to take along the way. I thought this was going to be one of those conversations where it's like, okay, we do need to figure out like some ground rules. We need to figure out how it's, you know, just try to put me in the best place for my sobriety, which obviously is a very good spot to be when you're in a relationship. Talk about that. Figure those things out. That's fine. Have that conversation on camera. If you want to, you don't have to. If you don't want to, I thought that's the road that we were going down, but it was a more troubling road as we find out a little bit later. And at first I'm like, okay, uncomfortable. Let's see how this goes. Cause Joe's not going to be able to handle an uncomfortable situation like this. It's not that at all. It's a lot more than all of that. It's more actually somewhat almost in the realm of what Lev is talking about. Like you're here, you're not here, you're here, you're not here. Apparently he's doing that also with Maddie and telling her, yeah, I'm working, but I'm doing this. Yeah, I'm working, but I'm actually doing this. So it's a lot deeper of a conversation than what I thought it was going to be originally. Yeah. It's concern over the amount that he's drinking. It's concern about where he's putting his focus, lying, all of those different things. And yeah, when you're with somebody in recovery, all of those things are triggers, not just the booze part, but the lying part, the not being where you said you were being hyper fixated on something else. And all of those things can lead to trouble down the road. And I think we've seen this before, but as the conversation gets tough, to Maddie's credit, she's laying it out and she's not doing it in an aggressive way. She's just saying like, Hey, this is what I've seen. Hey, you're kind of doing the thing that you always do. And I want you to rein it in. I want you to be successful is the root of all of this. Like the drinking is troubling, but the root of it is I want you to stop doing this, stop doing that. So you can go do your thing finally and you keep getting sidetracked. Joe shuts the convo down. You know what? Let's get up, let's get out of here. You know, it'll be fine. Everything's gonna be fine. He doesn't really talk about it, doesn't dive into it, which is a shame because I'm pretty positive that he looks up to Maddie and admires Maddie and admires her career. You would think that in a moment like this, listen to her. She's gotten to a pretty incredible spot in her career. You would think that he would want to pick her brain or if she's saying this, or if you have Maddie and Leva, the two people in the world, you probably respect the most, both telling you like the same exact thing. Maybe you should listen instead of getting defensive and rationalizing that what you're doing is not bad because that's what you do every time is you convince yourself that no, no, they're just misunderstanding the situation. I'm so focused on this. Leva, if Leva could see what I've done with emo night, she'd be stoked. But again, emo night is your thing. Going about it the wrong way. Yeah. Yes. It's correct. But that whole situation is just, look, obviously we love Jill. So I think it's a bit nuanced. I think there is a little bit more to it. And obviously we can sit here and say you should take away something from the conversation because Maddie's coming from a place of love. She's not, she's not coming from a place of selfishness or telling him that he needs to stop if they want to actually be in a relationship together. She's being very gentle because she's probably seen the way that he reacts. And he's going to, you know, not storm off, but he's going to react negatively. He's going to be field judge. She's going to feel like he needs to explain himself and he's going to come up with excuses or whatever it might be. So she's going about it the way that she thinks that she needs to go about it. But for Joe, I like, I get it. I mean, we do see this and yes, all of this is of his own doing. But the way that we've seen Joe move this season, he does feel like everybody else is moving up. We had that scene last week where he said that he looked up to Brad and Brad's younger than him and Brad's doing all these great things. He wishes he could do that and he just wants to be in a good spot to do that. But he doesn't realize that he needs to keep doing what he was doing to get back to that spot. You lost that spot because of how you were acting last summer. So he does look at it like, wow, everybody's moving up. Maddie's got all these great things. Brad has all these great things. Leva had all these great things. She said that I was next in line and I'm not next in line. So it's almost like he's in that spot where he's kind of blaming other people and he doesn't really know where to put all of his emotions. He doesn't really know what to do. And instead of doing the things that he needs to do, which, you know, obviously we can look and say, dude, do that. This is the way to go. He's sort of spiraling and he's doing it the only way that he knows how, which is, well, I'm just going to rely back on like drinking and then I'm going to make excuses and saying, well, I was working and then I went out to a different bar, but it was another Republic bar and I was trying to get people to come in, but actually I was just drinking. So like he's kind of rationalizing it the way that he is. And I'm hoping again, this is just something that's kind of like short-lived, like, okay, have your moment, go do those things. But then you're going to realize really quickly, like, no, that's not the way to achieve my dreams. That's not the way to get back to those things. It's just the way that you think you should be doing, but you're not really doing it the right way. And hopefully again, it's just short-lived. We only have to deal with this for like a week or two and then they can move on. Yeah, I hope so, but it does seem like a very familiar place. Like we've been here before. We've seen this song and dance before. Hopefully turning 30 might kick him in the ass a little bit and realize that you need to focus on something to move forward. Because if not, like, I feel like he latches onto something, gets excited, goes all in, fizzles out, wash, rinse, repeat. So hopefully he can find his thing and let it stick. And it, unfortunately, it's going to pile on for him because we get back to Republic and level is like four tables. Yeah. Talking to everybody about staring at Joe, four fucking tables. That's pathetic. This week of shit. And she's not pulling any punches. And to respond to that in a confessional by saying, I'm preoccupied with my own event. I don't need someone breathing down my fucking neck is quite literally the problem, Joe, that, that in itself is your issue right now. You're focused on your individual event that has no anything to do with Republic and you're telling your boss at the same time in a confessional to stop breathing down your neck because you're focused on your own thing at work. Yeah. Right. Tough place to be. Yeah. Not great. Well, let's get to service. We're almost there. And Joe sells a table and in Joe's mind, he's like, see, love, I'm ready for the big leagues and Lava goes this last minute attempt is operating from a place of fear and insecurity. He's not doing a whole lot to impress me. It's like, ooh, yeah. God, that's true. But God, that hurts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it just shows you how far apart they are. Again, I mean, we've seen tough conversations with Joe. It doesn't seem like it's sinking in, but it does seem like it's getting to a point where it's going to be a bit of a breaking point. Like, do you even want to be here? Do you even want to be doing these things? Go off and do your own thing. If that's what you want to do. Obviously, you know, he's pretty entrenched in the show. So the show will be there and obviously him and Maddie are still dating. So that'll still be there, but this might not be the move for you. If you can't sit and wait and be patient and get back to where you need to be and show the hard work, then you're going to have to move on and look, that's fine, but he's going to have to realize that for himself. I don't know if he's going to be able to make that realization. Yeah. I think that Leva's going to drop the hammer at some point. I don't know if she's going to fire him. I could definitely see like, uh, we're putting you on pause kind of situations, like you're taking a breather because you need to go figure out. Yeah. Go figure out what you actually want. And Maddie's pissed off because she didn't know where he was the night before. He said he was working. She checked his location and he was at another bar drinking. That's when he tries to spin it into, I was at Lamar's, I was working. He's like, no, you're drinking at a bar that your boss owns. That's a very different thing than you working there. And you can see him kind of just spin everything that she's saying, one, into gaslighting the shit out of her. Like that was some top tier gaslighting. I don't know if you could have, like honestly, that was kind of crazy because everything she says, he has an excuse, but none of his excuses are valid. And yet he just doubles down, triples down quadruples down. I sent you a picture from bed showing her the timestamp. It's like, honestly, dude, that's not really the point. You get so fixated on the fact that she said, vendor, that you're not listening to why she's actually upset. Yeah. Again, this is the root of everything. This is the same thing as level. This is the same thing as your current situation in life. All of it is literally the same topic coming at different angles with different nuances to it, but it all leads back to the same road. It's time to shit or get off the pot, dude. You are 30 years old. You are growing up, make a decision and stick to it. At the very least, try something and fail at it, you know, but don't start shit and then keep walking away because you quote unquote need to go support Maddie on her trip because I didn't even think about that. But as Maddie says in this scene, I don't want Joe's behavior to reflect badly on me because Lev is that I'm dragging him down by telling him to come with me or staying out late or whatever. So I don't know. I do feel like we're at a crossroads here, like a fork in the road for old Joey. He's going to make a decision, but I don't want to leave out. Michael's is modeling now. We've got a talent manager out in LA and he's doing the cover for so.gay. And yeah, scenes from next week, he looks hot as shit. So yeah, well done. Absolutely rocks. Now let's get to some questions. Uh, this is the question that everybody wants to know from Bree Kenny here. Are we all done with any and her white woman tears yet? Get rid of her. I don't know. I going into this season, obviously she came back. I thought this was just going to be her getting ripped apart the entire season and it's not. So yeah, I mean, we're going to get to a point. Like I said before, it's not going to be worth it to even battle with her and she's not going to have anybody on her team for the most part. It's not going to make any sense to keep her. So they're going to kind of force, she's kind of forcing Bravo's hand at this point. Yep. From Mike Bros. Our TJ and Michael's the best Bravo hookup we need right now in the dark Bravo world. I would actually argue that the Bravo world is not that dark anymore. We've, we've kind of gotten through the darkness. There were dark times, very dark times where we had to talk about a lot of weird and uncomfortable things that we shouldn't be talking about. We're kind of out of that, but also yes, TJ and Michael's are the best Bravo hookup right now for me. I thought they were alluding to the West and Amanda situation amidst all the turmoil right now. It depends on your definition of dark then I guess. Yeah. This is a great question from Anne Brackman, man. How many more seasons do you think Emmy will part this? I don't know. I don't know. I think that I, if I had to bet, I would say this is her last. Yeah. It just for the show, like, I don't even give a shit about her own mental wellbeing. Who cares? I think for the show and the plot of the show, it doesn't make any sense to have her on the show anymore. I agree. Like she is now detrimental to the show. And that's when I don't mind having somebody on the cast that nobody likes. Like sometimes necessary evil kind of thing. She's detrimental to the show because she deviates from actually good plot points and then we have to go back to her bullshit and she doesn't ever have a redeeming moment. It's not like we're going to watch this season and see her have like this come to Jesus moment where she's normal again. So yeah. Yeah. She. Uh, from, from Annika Green, is Emmy the loudest quote unquote silence person ever? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think she is actually. Yeah. Yes. Uh, Robert Taylor writer of stuff. What are the chances Emmy got the brain eating bacteria? I think we would have been able to see a difference in her, uh, in her emotions. She probably would have been nicer and normal if she had a brain eating amoeba. She got it. Uh, this is actually interesting. From Maria L Sellers. Do you think Leva will actually hold Emmy accountable for her racist behavior this season? I'm, what do you think Leva has to say about it? Leva has been very quiet on a lot of issues. Really the only step in that we've seen from Leva is congratulating TJ on Sir, Wieners and talking about Joe not being a good employee. So I don't know. She doesn't seem to be like, I know she's a producer on the show. So she should get involved at some point. Maybe towards the end of the season, we'll see that, but I'm not going to hold out hope because it seems like love is kind of doing a bit of a hands off situation, which is a better way to do that. I'll save that one for the end. If you got one or two more. Oh God. Is it the Rachel Mickelis question? No, that's a good one too. Okay, good. Rachel Mickelis asked, which couple would you rather go to dinner with? Will and Emmy or Amanda and West? Amanda and West. I couldn't deal with those two. I can't deal with those two. But like Amanda and West is actually kind of interesting. I just want to pick their brain. Yeah, that one could be like. First question, how fucking dare you? Yeah. God damn it, you two. God damn it. But yeah, Will and Emmy, I think I would rip my hair out because they just sit there and lie and gaslight and just no. No. All right. Go ahead and ask your question for the end. All right. Last one here. Of course I lost it. Give me one second. Now here we go from Nicki Mano 23. Does it annoy you that the two people with Philly connections are the worst people, Emmy and Trevor? Yes. What's what's Emmy's Philly connection? Oh, she's from the area. Her dad played for the Eagles or her grandfather played for the Eagles or something. Oh, God, not only a Philly connection, but an Eagles connection. Yeah. Yeah, that pisses me off. Yep. It's pretty. I'm angry. Pretty upsetting. Pretty upsetting. But yeah, we'll see what happens next week. I want to know more about all of the people on this show. I like everybody on this cast and we continue to get bogged down with Emmy and her shit. I'm done with too much good shit to talk about to be stuck on this bullshit. Yeah. 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