Spittin' Chiclets Episode 613 Featuring: Sergei Fedorov

Hey, spit and chicklets listas. You could find every episode on Apple Podcasts in Spotify. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Bostal sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined a spit chicklets podcast full time. No, little bit. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. I just got to land back or get there on camera. He can't be. The song man. Hey, it's a full time member. Marley just got this from Chris B. Whoa, where buzzing right now? So long. What is up everyone? Welcome to episode 613 of the spit and chicklets podcast presented by pink Whitney. What a weekend it was with myself shredding stone mountain. Just peekaboo streeting it. I probably should use the male skier as an example. Maybe Alberto Tomba Whitty. And and G at the Patriots game. And I mentioned both of us because the amount of pink Whitney I saw it's though and the amount of pink Whitney and the pictures he sent me at Gillette. What a weekend for the brand. What a weekend for the pink drink. And what a weekend in the NFL and the NHL. We got so much to catch up on, but shout out pink Whitney and shout out anyone who drank it watching football, who drank it skiing down all the different mountains around the world and and who drank it maybe on the beach if you're still in Florida enjoying the winter months in the warm weather, right? You know, the people on vacation, they're gonna bring some pink with them. They're gonna have these buys down there for the beach. So shout out pink Whitney and shout out everyone who's ever had a sip of the pink drink. Shout out you from making it. Shout out to the people. Yeah, shout out for you to make it. Oh, thank you guys. I did a lot. Shout out to the people who sneak it in their purses on plants and they do it on the plants. You know, they're not supposed to, right? Yeah, yeah, true. And then you, you, you, you may be like sitting your seat over against the wall and pull it in, hoping to not get caught by the flight attendant. Those people, yeah. And then she does and then you get in a, in a domestic and then you get tossed off the flight, but it was worth it because it's all for. Yeah, very true. And shout out the guy who named it. I mean, there was somebody we don't know who who sent the name pink Whitney when I put out vodka and pink lemonade. So that guy out there, he's probably owed something. Yeah. We don't know who this. If you're not being sarcastic, like you realize that you were the one who said it. Right. I did. You said, I like to make the Newman zone or whatever with the vodka. And I called the pink Whitney and I was like, that's fucking me. I did. Thank you. Roll right off your tongue. Now was I saying that so then you would then tell me and pop my tires. I wit you actually. Maybe you guys will never know. You guys will never know. Keith, you're in London. Incredible, incredible trip so far. I've seen some pictures. Biz, you were back home. Awesome experience. I guess with the parents, but Keith, let's start with you. How has it been? What is London like as a city? And what was it like trying to watch NFL football in the land of the Premier League? Yeah. How many cigarettes have you smelt a bunch? Cause Sigs don't count on vacation. That's a very true fact. It's like food on the airport. Very interesting. Unbelievable. Didn't have high expectations. I don't think coming into London, but it has been unbelievable. The city is absolutely beautiful. Watching games is a little tough. The Buffalo Bills game on Saturday. I had to call like three different bars. I'm like, you guys played the games. They're like, yeah, but there's no games on them. Like, uh, no, the Buffalo Bills are playing. I got to watch this game support my friends. So have to go to the bars. They don't have them on the TVs. Have to get the manager out to try to find it. That all worked out. But then 1230 hits, which over here, it's five hours ahead. That's like the third quarter. They kick you out. You're gone. So you got to go find a, like, uh, last night we watched it at a casino, a Patriots game at the casino. The Patriots game we watched at a Patriots by had an Uber drive the first night here. He was the biggest New England fan, Red Sox. Yeah. Red Sox ruins everyone. Celtics. He heard my brother-in-law's accent. He was like, oh, you guys got to go to the box to watch the game. So we go to the boxes, like 300 New England fans. I was getting recognized everywhere. Everyone's like, where is the pink Whitney? We needed it in London. I'm like, oh, but we don't have it. Run into these lovely girls from Detroit. I told them we were having, are we going to say? Oh, we're going to say, we can say, Sergei better off this episode. You told them that they were going absolutely insane. They loved it. They're amazing. They loved it. So that was great. Huge win for the Patriots, especially watching it on a different soil. It was a lot of fun. But we had the ton of New England fans there together high five and it was a blast. Absolute blast as place has been. You said you watch it at the box. Now that's the one, the place that G went to to watch like the Dildo show. People were shitting over the place. And then they took it the box, the chicken box. That's the bar. So Jodo Patti. But that wasn't the one that you went to and run them to watch. No, this is just a support bar. Yeah, the sports bar called the box. Maybe the penalty box. Maybe we're short for that, but probably not. But yeah, went to a Chelsea game. Now I'm a huge Chelsea supporter. So that very jealous of that. I'm very jealous. I've always wanted to go to a game there. Dude, what's it like? It's unbelievable. Like you we got dropped off maybe like a half a mile away from the stadium. You walk in. I'm like, where is this? Where's the stadium? Like it's 60,000 people. It's in the middle of a neighborhood. You don't even see it. Like you look at our stadiums. They're just big, huge in the middle of fields or whatever it is. But these are just legit in an actual neighborhood with 60,000 people going absolutely bananas. One of the coolest experience of my life watching got some kid from LA was there. He was like, what the hell are you doing here? I pulled a busy. I gave him a chick let's hat that I had on. He was so fired up. So shot out to him. Classic. But yeah, everything I just gave away my not on the last trip to a family member this time. But like fuck, I give him away like this. It's a shirt right off his back. I mean part of it is because he's very generous. The part of his then he gets to show off the tats and the body that he's. I give away my used rubbers. Like I get. Yeah. Okay, fair. Yeah. Okay. But pleasantly surprised. It's been unbelievable. Tried the foods here is amazing. I know me and you were coming back this summer. That's going to be an absolute time. I can't wait. Big golf trip. The big, the big crew is back together. The, the clearing, Horcoff, Bertuzzi, just Zetaburg. The crew is back years and years. It's been start golf trip. You've been added. How smothered are people? Because there's no booze allowed in. You're not drinking in your seats at Premier League games. So I was always told before the game and then at half time, they're really getting after it. Well, when you played over a thousand NHL games, you get a little ticket that has a little access where you can go in, have your own drinks, free booze, free wine. But you cannot sit in your seats and drink, correct? You can put in a little coffee cup. They are witty. Wow. Man, it's the problem is I didn't play a thousand. So I guess I'll be in the pub prior trying to catch a buzz whenever I go to Stanford bridge. And they might not have had, when you say that the place said we don't have, there's no games on for NFL. That might have been because they saw the regular season end and they said, Oh, well, it's all over because people don't know maybe biz Premier League has no playoffs. It's the regular season and that is the champ. So I know. Okay. Okay. Sorry. I was trying to maybe teach you. I actually went to get my haircut recently and a guy who was a huge fan of the Premier League. Their, their barber shop is kind of known as the place to go to your haircut and even people come by to just like lounge and watch on the TVs. Hearing the breakdown of, of like the league and, and like what makes it so competitive and the fact that there are playoffs and each of them play what one home, one away each team, right? So it's crazy because you could be watching middle of the season and the best team league might be playing the shittiest, but you're dialed in to hope that that shitty team at least ties the good team so you can maybe gain a few points. So it's never not like interesting or competitive. And I actually like the dynamic of the Premier League. Like even better than a lot of the major sports. But you know, it's insane to me, which I obviously had no clue. This like it's a small country, right? Like when we were driving from the airport to our hotel, whatever, 30 minutes, you see what was the team? I forget the name of the team, but their stadiums there's 30 minutes away, 60,000 people, another 30 minutes away, 60,000 people at Stanford Bridge, another 30. So it'd be like having 15, how many teams are in this league with 20? It would be like if they allowed a NHL team in Hamilton, a Skogga Kingston. So London has London has Arsenal Chelsea, West Ham and Tottenham. So I mean, you got four legit organizations within London and they're all packed every game. So I love the fact of the no playoffs where every game matters so much, not to mention the bottom three trying to get out of the bottom three. So they don't get relegated. It's it's pretty sick. I can't wait to catch a game and biz yourself back home and well and made a cool appearance. A appearance. Was that an X teammates? Who's the coach of the team you went to and quickly I got a real kick because you went in the locker room and you could tell some guys are like, Holy shit. And then you didn't read the lineup though. You just nodded along, like looking all jacked. It was funny. Yeah, because I was a little bit late. I had some family stuff going on. I'm like the few days I was there, which was awesome. You know, like during the season for me to get a little family time, um, after we recorded, I we had my, my cousin's 65th birthday. So we had the whole family over there the one day I was able to make that game. My buddy Tyler Bilby, he coaches junior B for the St. Catherine's Falcons. And I believe that he's won a Southern Cup, if not two. And he's been there a while. So I just message him. I said, Hey, any chance you guys are playing this week and he goes, we got one game. It's Friday and it's for it's for first place in the league. So I said, okay, I'm coming. So I drove there and I just, I told him I said, Hey, I won't do the lineup, but I'll bring a check for a thousand USD. And I'll say, Hey, I'm not reading the lineup. But here's a little added extra motivation. So I don't know if you guys know, but the 1500 Canadian can buy about, about 10,000 OVs back home in the Niagara region. So I think the kids will find it up. The OV is like a special beer that is popular in our region. It's weird that I feel like every region, like especially in Canada, they have their like specialty beer that they just taste good to them. But actually, OV does have a really good taste to it. Kind of like a like a LeBat blue. Like I like LeBat blue too, right? Did they win? Buddy, they outshot the other team 50 to 15. They outshot them by 35 shots lost two to one. The other goalie was shooting light and bolts out of the box. I don't get that kid. Exactly. I told the kids I said, give me back my fucking. No, I said, I was like, hey, great effort boys. Keep it. Have some fun. You owe me a thousand. Went over in the afternoon. I met up with which I got a great story. I met up with some old coaches of mine, Bobby Crawlick, who actually came to that Buffalo Sabers game. Alex Mier, Greg Lebinski's father came to. He was a coach of ours who actually he was one of the first guys to like break into the OHL from back home. And he was the captain of the North Bay Centennials. And because of that, I really wanted to get drafted there. And sure enough, I was in the second round. This guy was your like, I'd almost. Yeah, he was like, you know how, like you know, the NHL's the NHL, but you know, when you have local guys who like make the jump to even the OHL, like it, you feel like, oh, there's a possibility for me to have a path there. And I used to go to Bob Crawlick's hockey schools and he would be like a coach at the hockey school. So I looked up to him and ended up years later playing against him when he was with a Dayton Bombers in the coast and I was in Wheeling. So it was kind of a full circle moment. He's not doing that anymore. He's not playing anymore. And then that afternoon, a buddy of mine, Frank DeFazio, who plays in a local band, he came by the Rex Hotel. That's where we all met up. And he was like, oh, we're playing later tonight. The Cats Caboos, which is around the corner from that hockey game. So it was cool. A man I got to go see my old, my old high school buddies. I got to run into my old coaches and then my old coach Bob Crawlick's told me this fucking story about my dad. Like, and I don't know how well you guys know my dad. He's a beautician. Loves having pops, ADD like me, social butterfly all over the place. Like when he was coming to coyotes games, remember what time he came? We yeah, he was there for about five, six weeks in Arizona. He was staying at my place, took the train down and yeah, it took it. It's like, and we didn't lose the entire time they were there. We won like 11 games in a row. It was. I don't I don't think we lost. Yeah, it was fun. We might lost one on the road during that whole. He was Jersey to 11 and one. Yeah, just yeah, he went on his jersey. I'll never forget the one time like I was taking a pregame nap and like, I come out and there was like strangers in my place. And my parents had met these people at the pools when my dad invited them over. And I'm like, dad, what I have a two bedroom apartment. Why are these strangers on my house in my house on a human day? Like this is ridiculous. So Bobby Crowley tells me this is business. What they used to go to this place called CC's dugout right by the arena and well. And it was their hangout, right? My dad was a volunteer fireman just so he could drink with the guys of the fire hall for fuck's eggs. So this is Bobby Crowley's town of sorry. So he walks in my dad. He's waiting for takeout. So he sits down with Bobby and the boys and I started having a beer. Well, they drop over the like the cook to go thing. Well, 90 minutes goes by and my dad goes, oh, fuck, the oldies in the car. Buddy, my dad drank beers with the boys for 90 minutes with takeouts sitting on the counter and forgot my mom was in the car. So they so crumb so Bobby's like, you got to be fucking kidding me. She's gonna she's going to think it was me, me who like told him to stay and have beers like, so he walked out with my dad. My mom's in the passenger seat. How right? I told you, roly, not to come in and be like, Hey, I know, find yourself one of them. Buddy, doing all the work at home and raising us to all my dad, my dad, the delinquent, just fucking out on his beer runs and shoot the shit with the boys. She probably just reclined the seat to have a little snooze for a few minutes and 90 minutes went by and she was out. What did Cam Bisonette say to you when you brought this story up to him? Did you remember it? No, Mr. Krolex brought it up to me. He goes, Paul, you got to hear this one. I mean, did you tell your dad? Did you then say dad? I just heard the most ridiculous. He was sitting right beside Bobby and he and and I'm like, dad, tell me he's lying. And he just is like this. The shake, shaking his ass. I'm like, how are you still married to Yoli? She fucking wipes his ass, buddy. She does everything. She'll be like, Hey, Cam, can you go to the store and get some coffee because we ran out of coffee? It's it's it's like she's asking the dissect the bomb. It's like it's Oppenheimer. You know, it's it's crazy. Well, I think I feel that because as a guy who is sent out on errands, the grocery store sometimes I'm 97% face time and like, I can't find it. Like it's my mom rates a full list. I know, but so does Brie and then I can't even find it. Like I it's I think it's a guy looking for things type man vision. Prop. What is it called man vision man vision exactly. And the trick actually I'll say to all maybe dad's out there with real young kids is you go. You don't order the take out till you get there, right? That's the trick and then you get the time for two, three beers with a cook on the food. And then if you're campus and that you get an extra 90 minutes, once the food comes out and your family's at home starving and you're what beats you when you get home. Bobbi Crox is leaning over. He was 90 minutes. We were there for 90 minutes and he goes, Oh, shit. You'll ease in the car. I couldn't fucking believe it. I'm a year. You're going to be staying in my place on the couch for the next couple of weeks. The way that this one went. Thank God she had she hit her Rem cycle. Oh, man. But yeah, it was it was it was you know, it was great to be back home and see see the gang and and yeah, just kind of like a reset. Yeah, it's nothing like home. No, and Ben, you got a, um, you got a big time couple days here. Today you got Buffalo, Carolina at one. This is Monday. So you're listening Tuesday, but then you got capitals, avalanche. Then tomorrow you got the Bruins Dallas and then the Devils and the Oilers and then Wednesday. You got the wings, leaps and the Islanders crack. And so the good thing is awesome games like all six games matter. All six games are pretty good teams. So that's exciting. At least it's not a, you know, tough games that you're trying to get through. We have a pretty crazy week overall, but I agree with you. We've been very fortunate this year and especially that they added the Tuesday slate. So most weeks now we're doing the Tuesday, Wednesday. This week we got the Monday because I think it's, is it Martin Luther King day? Yeah, today, yeah, January 19th. So yeah, through six games are all heaters and then Thursday we got the coast to coast. So we're going to be we're watching a lot of hockey this week and then and then Friday. Pink Whitney. We're doing a little pink Whitney shoot in NYC. So lock on on the checklets world. And I guess before we get into hockey boys, I don't watch regular season NFL football very rare. Don't invest a lot of time. But these playoff games, I don't think there's been a bad one. Even the Patriots used one Saturday night late night. The game was over the first kickoff. Right Seattle Seattle actually scored the winning touchdown seven seconds into the game. Cause they won 41 six. They got seven points returning the kickoff. But is you're right. Like talk about the NFL be it love and life. Now I guess the the refs. They're an issue. They're not full time employees. It's probably the craziest stat or fact in pro sports that the league that makes the most money in the world has part time refs. It's crazy to me. But the games dude. Oh my God. That bills game and biz. I love seeing you social on social all about the bills and the Broncos in which was an all time classic. And then crazy news after bone X with the broken ankle. We'll get into the NHL. But after this week, I think most people watch these games. Oh yeah. Sports. No. Sports sucks for the Broncos. That's a brutal beat. But that game and the way the bills lost after coming back down 11 going into the second half. I couldn't believe the call that they made though on that pick. I really couldn't and people have been saying I'm an idiot and I'm wrong. But then seeing the Devote Adams catch for the Rams against the the bears. It seemed very similar to me. So I don't know if you want to kind of take off what you thought of bills Broncos biz or what your main take away wasn't. I just think if people are on there trying to tell you that you're wrong because it was a different type of catch. The one the day before then Devote Adams. That to me is a problem with the NFL that you're saying that oh, you didn't have full control. It's like, what are you talking about? You didn't have full control there. Like that's it's insane. So I don't need to dive into that. My only gripe a lot of people saying that the bills weren't hose. But oh, they turned it over five times. That doesn't part of the game. So they so they turned over five times where they can't get holes. Like what the fuck is that kind of argument? You fucking dummy. And then the only gripe I had is people saying that they should have had a safety. Or holding that over time on the holding. But my whole point was it probably shouldn't even gotten there because in at the end of regulation when Josh Allen threw for the end zone, they try to deem that one unketchable. If he's not grabbing on to his arm, you don't think he could turn his body around and make that catch. So like Denver fans telling me that's unketchable. You're a fucking moron. And then and then basically the one that put them for a chip shot to end the game. That was the exact same play. If the reason you didn't call the one at the end of regulation is because you want to let the players solve the game themselves, which by the way led to them having a hit a 50 yarder to tie the game to send it to overtime, at least make Denver, um, at least make them hit the 40 45 yarder as opposed to giving up chip shot. Yeah, I thought when they didn't call the first one with Alan thrown on the sideline there, it was almost like, all right, whistles away or flags away, which I was fine with. And then that other one, um, just a shitty way to kind of see it end. But poor bills fans, man, like I think that's eight years of Allen playoffs every year, one AFC title game, the rest of his own wild card losses. It's kind of crazy. Maybe it's time to get a new coach. I think that based on that QB and I don't think he had a great game, right? For him, that wasn't what they need from him. But I feel so sick for bills fans. I really do. And when the Patriots were dogs, shit, I was like, all right, bills. Come on, like I morals and that entire region, it's like I'm rooting for him. Now, you know, if I was still rooting for him until we had to maybe go against them, but now it's all paths, Keith. And the entire league fans are just disgusted. I don't even think they can believe the fact that we're back in an AFC title game already. A few years off, people hate the Patriots. Finally, they've gone away. No, we grabbed the best coach that was available that for some reason, Tennessee fired. And then we draft this guy third overall, who I think if you redraft, it would go ahead of Caleb Williams, and Jayden Daniels and all of a sudden they spend a shitload of money. This winter, this summer and boom, we are back in the C title game and Houston. Yeah, incredible. D Drake may have a horrible first half. Nothing compared to Strout who four picks in the first half. I think the record for a playoff game is four picks. I thought he was going to beat that his first pass in the second half, but nope. He was able to somewhat figure it out while still being horrible and may really figure it out. And we're back. And I think we're five and a half points favorites because Stidem's playing for Denver. So he said him. And you know what? I think that Sean Payton was calling him Stiddy. So I kind of like that, right? Like Stiddy or Stiddy's ready. Like made me like, oh, fuck, maybe this guy's really good. I don't think he's throwing a pass in over two years in the NFL. The Patriots haters, they are screaming at the air right now. How is this happening again? I don't get it. And you know what? I guess Herbert isn't great in the playoffs. You got him and then Strout's horrific, but they're these awesome. And now we get Jarrett's did him to go to the Super Bowl. What a life. It's yeah, what a life is right. It's it's the old saying defense can win your championships. That defense last night and you talked about Strout kind of being brutal in the first half. He was it. It looked like gangbusters coming at him every single time they were fucking coming a hundred miles an hour, either hitting him, getting a hand up. Like it was warfare out there. It was fun to watch them, you know, be around the ball in the defensive side. Obviously wasn't there offensively, but and people are complaining like, oh, Patriots schedule in the beginning of the year or all year was so easy. They've had a cake walk even now. And then both Nick's gets hurt. You got a cake walk to the finals. You play who you play. You got to win those games. They've done it. It's been a fun team to watch, dude. Mike Vrable, like I might get a Vrable tattoo. I might get a Vrable tattoo. If they win it, I'm getting a Vrable tattoo. Like you see him in the tunnel after like the guys fucking love him. Like you need more of that. I think I think the new wave of coaches and all sports are kind of getting to that point where you're part of the team. You're not like some, you know, figurehead that's like looking down on you all the time. Judging like he you can tell he's a part of that team. They're playing hard for him. He's coaching hard for them. It's fun to watch, man. Like it's and then Dave's videos that someone sent me like it's just so good to see him basking and all this as well. He's back. All is it true that they've won 20 divisional titles since Robert Kraft bought the team? They've almost had a chance to win the Super Bowl like basically every year since the guy won the team. Obviously the last few years with Mac Jones and then like Cam Newton was playing and the coaching was a mess. But yeah, the guy he's an incredible owner like you can't you can't argue it because they're just always in the mix. And they're back this quick. They've completely rebuilt and retooled the Jets still haven't made the playoffs in all that time. So an incredible time to be a patch fan and shout out like big cat and Caleb Williams. And I brought up him hating McDabbing and forcing me then to hate Caleb Williams in the Bears. That throw I couldn't believe I tweeted again, guys. I wasn't going to do it. I was holding back. I was holding back. I was holding back. He was brutal. And then he threw a ball like the one and it was dropped by the Rams. And I said, I wrote should have been the third pick. And everyone's responding. Don't do it again. What are you doing? What are you doing? Sure, shit. They drive back down. And he has it fourth and fourth from like the 15 runs 25 yards backwards throws a hail Mary while running backwards. And the guy catches it for a TD to tie it up. I was like, I think I tweeted. Are you fucking kidding me? And then I was like, they're going to win again. But what happened? Caleb, he threw another pick his third of the game. And let me tell you his playoff stats, 52% completion rate, four TDs, five interceptions and a 65 pass or rating. So get the hell out of here. Get the fuck out of here because I'll tell you right now, big cat. This is your doing. I would have been rooting for you and your team. But no, you had to hate on McDabby who had the sickest assist of the season last night, mind you. It was a great day for me. Pat's win, bears lose, oilers roll, what a life. What a day indeed. So the fact of the matter is the bears are done. Big cats done. Caleb Williams is done. And I move on. And we move on Keith and G. And the last thing about the NFL, I just want to mention this is back to bills, fans. I marked this down. The Buffalo bills are now the only team in NFL history to lose in over time in the playoffs, despite never having punted the ball during the entire game. So I mean, how do you know, dude, that's fucking. I know. And one time and another thing about this, the people arguing about the interception, right? And the ball that was pulled in for the bills that was then taken away from them, Richard Sherman. You guys remember Richard Sherman? I don't know if it's a Hall of Famer, pretty high level NFL player said, I have never seen a contested catch like this ever be called anything, but a catch. Even as a DB, you know that if it's even a tie, it will go to the wide receiver. I cannot believe this decided the game. I'll take his word for it because you think a DB would be taken to the defensive back side, right? And even he said bullshit call, but an incredible weekend. And now you got the Rams, Matthew Stafford, this guy, holy shit. I'll tell you, I saw a stat that they crossed me of the NA NFL. Yeah, but even crazier that it was like, playoff wins by a QB age 33 or older. Brady has like 25, but then after that, I think second place was seven, which with a few guys, Stafford's one of them. I don't think he got his first until he was 33 years old. So he's just had this resurgence with with what's the coach's name, McVey? John McVey. Yeah, I like him. Yeah, he's pretty cool. He's very knowledgeable memory like an elevator. He can, if you ask him about a play 15 years ago that he called like at a certain time of the game, he'll tell you the play. It's and he'll tell you like who threw it, who caught how many yards they got crazy. Yeah, he's just so hot. He's an interesting, there's actually a few clips online where they, they, they, they test them and he nails every single one. So pretty, pretty fast. They got a lot of teams going on it, going for it on fourth down. Feel like that might have actually cost the bears. Obviously until they had to when it was the end of the game, when he threw that, that touchdown to the back of the end zone, but they kept going for it. Like why don't they just chip away with the field? I think that's a new age NFL, um, analytics type thing. It's like, I guess you could compare it to like pulling the goalie way earlier, kind of a reach maybe in the end. And or, or you know what it's probably because the weather, going, going for the goal and icing the puck, right? Instead of how we used to have to play like never ice it up a goal. I'm just trying to think analytics has a chance or, I mean, would it be, uh, was it pulling your goalie and overtime, kind of like Sergey Federerov or our, our guest coming up does murals wanted us to ask about it. Now you might have said this when my microphone came unplugged for the six time at the beginning of the podcast, uh, 15 years straight that either the Kansas City chiefs or the New England Patriots have reached the, what, AFC championship game. Wow. Did you mention that? I didn't, I didn't. Okay. Wow. In a role, in a role, in a role. So the other fan base is just disgusted and it makes me smile with so much joy. Um, but that's, that's kind of the, the, the, the NH former, NHL players breakdown of the divisional round and we're onto the championship weekend, which is obvious. You might be a hardcore hockey person, but if you're not watching NFL playoffs, that's kind of weird. Yeah. It's such good, it's such a good product. Even though the refs are fucking it up, it's such a good broad. Yeah. And when you say that they're not full time, like what do you mean? There are agents, like, hockey leases like a judge, I think, isn't it? It's, it's, it's fucking bananas. I don't understand it. I don't get it, but they all have other jobs. Explain that one to me, but what do you think they get paid decently? I bet you they get paid decently, but so maybe some of them don't work. If they've made enough money and now I'll just be a rough. I just know they're not full. How many refs are on a field? A shit time. I think there's like a question. Six, maybe guess, yeah, six to eight, couple on each sideline, two or three on the field. I mean, this is it. I would say you need four, four legitimate ones. Probably the ones who are down at the other end calling the positive interference and the true there in the middle of the field who are calling like the line shit. The best moment was the one of the funniest ref moments was in the Pat's Houston game. Along the sideline of ref is going to grab his flag to call past interference, but he can't get the flag out of his pocket. So instead, he just says, no catch. There's video of he's trying to get it out. And he can't. He's okay. Forget it. Fuck it. No catch. And never, I never call the call the guy. That is unbelievable. I got a flood. I got a flight this game can't go over time. I'm seeing around $10,000 between 10 and $15,000 per game for an NFL ref. So that's a front wipe. Yeah, 170 to 240 grand a year. They're all making. So maybe they don't need another job, but yeah, just the fact that that's not their only job. Right. And if it's their only job, then throughout the week, you're watching video with them. You're doing stuff all summer, right? I just, I don't get it. But the numbers of the viewers, it doesn't, it doesn't affect it. It more people keep watching, I think, especially the playoffs. So showed out a great divisional. Put the popcorn vendors out there who gives a fuck the circus. Exactly. That's it for football. That's it. On to the hockey man. We got a lot of hockey to talk about to gentlemen. We do. And I think that we could start in New York City. Things are ugly. Things are bad. Things are gross. And the New York Rangers have released another letter, guys. Eight years after the first letter, the second letter has come this time from Chris Dury saying, not the word rebuilding. I think it was retooling. And basically that we are now realizing, we have to kind of start over in a way. And the main news in that is that our Tammy Prenare and will not be offered in extension. I believe at the beginning of the season, they talked to him about a copotar type deal short term. He didn't have interest in that. I don't blame him. I mean, copotar is ready to retire. That's way different. He's got two cups there. This is a completely different player and story. So he didn't want to do that. And now they realize it's time to move on from him. The question is, where does he go? What a move that'll be? What can you get back for him? Can it include an extension, which then make sure return even greater? Who else are they look at the shop? You got to think every single guy except for Shasturken's on the table. No. But why not even put Shasturken on the table just because it's a retool. I mean, you got to have him with, but he didn't say rebuild. If you rebuild, then it's yeah, then you're looking at anyone and everyone. But I don't know if a team like that, if that organization is willing to be like, all right, we're going to do a full rebuild, which a lot of teams aren't really willing to do. And incredibly, some of these teams like Washington, they've done it quick. They haven't done the full rebuild. Boston with Boston, by the way, is the weirdest team. I've ever seen in the NHL. I think they want sex in a row now, G. They just go on incredible winning and losing streets all year long. They're looking like there's possibly going to be able to just kind of retool it. We'll get into them not getting Anderson, Rasmus Anderson in the trade where Vegas got him from Calgary. But the Rangers, I would say, I don't think you can move JT based on based on how he's looked his age, the contract. I don't think that's going to be able to happen. But if you can move, Trollcheck, if you can move, move Laf, a panarence gone, Schneider's a RFA probably move on from him. He's been a little bit of a disappointment. So I think everyone, everyone's available besides their goalie. So you think Fox is available to? I don't know. He's never done. Right now. I, I would, I would personally stick with Fox and I would personally stick with sister. Okay. I wouldn't move off of those two guys. And like, what, what could a team even possibly offer up? And you mentioned certain teams retooling. I think it has a lot to do with when you get to the round table and you realize and you know, like what, what do we have stockpiled as far as draft picks, who are prospects coming up? Who can we actually attain via trade or free agency? I think that Washington was, I don't want to call it a lucky case because I feel like that one off season, they just did unbelievable damage where the situation with Logan Thompson wasn't working out in, in Vegas. And it seems like they were hot to trot to get rid of them where there was a, no risk move. He was making basically nothing. I think he was making a million and a half dollars the first year that he was in Washington. And maybe even, maybe even this year, but I know he signed a new big ticket, right? They ended up getting chicken who ended up having a career year last year signing a big ticket. L.A. was wanting to get rid of peer Luke Dubois. So I feel like Washington, the way that they got back to the round table and they figured all that out. Stroner who was fucking, he wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't even qualified. So they, they kind of hit the perfect storm. So if you have an off season like that, a re-tool is, is definitely, definitely possible. Um, I, you said the, the Boston situation confused you. I know we're kind of moving off Panarin here because they were rumored to be getting, um, Anderson. Uh, yeah, Rasmus Anderson. Now you were like, why are they doing that? They, they, so you didn't agree with them going after them to solidify that back and even more. Or I, yes, see, I, I, I think this is a big point of contention with bronze fans. The low, the low rise situation because there's times he looks incredible. And you're talking a big guy who can move and move the puck. He's great offensively. And then at times he just looks brutal, crazy turnovers, but a guy like that, that has to make and try plays the way he plays to create the offense. There's always going to be those turnovers, but it gets a little ridiculous at time. But I just don't think that's a guy you want to get rid of. And when I said, why would they trade for Anderson and Simon? Like I don't think they're ready to, like that seems like obviously that's retooling and rebuilding quickly. I'm just like, I don't, I don't really see that yet. But I guess G's argument is like, we have Swaman, we have pasta, we have MacaVoy. We can do this the way the capitals have done. I agree. And I agree with him because like you have Swaman. And then if you have Anderson, who's probably a more now ready defenseman than low right low right was a health bomb at the start of the year. I don't know if he's been health bomb again, but like you said, like when he's, when he's skating well and he's making his plays and how big he is, like he's a type of guy where, woof, we're a little bit more fine tuning like he could have. But Jean quickly, the news came out that he was going to be a part of this deal. And he had two goals. I saw it sweet Mason Lowry when he, too, Mason Lowry when he hears his name and trade talks. And it's just a picture of Ray Bourke in a Bruins jersey. Yeah. I don't think it was as much Mason Lowry. I think it was the first round picks. Like he talked to a lot of Bruins fans. They want these two first round picks. I actually, I'm a low right guy. I think Bruins fans were okay with parting with low right in order to bring in Anderson in. I'm of the camp. I didn't want this trade to get done. I actually don't think they should have made this trade. Stick the course. Stay the course right now. I love the direction they're going in. You've got James Hagen coming in in a few months. You have all these draft picks, but you've got a draft. You got to develop. They have these first round picks. Don't get rid of them for a guy like Raspus. So you're a low rider low rider, baby. I think that they could retool up front faster than people think. And if they had that goalie and that back end, where, but I also think that in a year or two, low right could be giving you just exactly what, what Anderson would be without giving all that stuff up. That's the hope now. So yeah, I think there one more year away from like just get acquire more assets this year. You have a guy like Victor Arvinson contracts up the end of the year. Corpus Sallow. He's getting hot at the right time. You're telling me a team wouldn't want to trade for Jonas Corpus Sallow and repeat. He eats minutes. He's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year. These are guys that you can trade at the deadline. You can build assets. The team's not going to take a major step back if you trade these guys. But then you can bring in the guys like James Hagen's. You can bring in the draft picks and then you can start. Yeah. If they make an impact, yeah. I also feel like that move, that move isn't just to try to push the chips in for this year. I think that that just may see solidifies it for the next. At least like three, four years where you have Linholm. You have Macavoy. You have the rest of them. Zedora off. Zedora off. You have Anderson. So all of a sudden with Swaman and those guys on the back end, it's a little bit more appealing to attract free agents and I feel like there's no you are facing. I know, but of the ones that are available, like once again, like who in the East scares anybody? There's not like really a scary team. Obviously, when Florida gets healthy. So maybe that's the way they're looking at it. They're like, we still have an opportunity to win here in the next few years where nobody's that much better than we are. Yeah. It's there's not high, high end free agents, but Boston. People want to go there. They have a ton of cap space available. If you're telling me they got goal-tending and D like that, you get to go play with past runoff geeky, uh, Fraser Mittens coming. You said Hagen's like, this could be a fucking pretty good team in in two years. That's my point. Like that was kind of my point is just like, don't mortgage the future. Still acquire these draft picks. Still use those first rounders. If you want the rumored trade, potra in lowry, if they want to do that and bring in Anderson, I'm all for that. I'm off. I just don't want them getting rid of those first round picks. It's something the Bruins have lacked so much over the past 15 years. I, I also think that that the way that they've drafted, I think some fans might be like, fuck the fact. Trust me. Get me players kind of like Vegas's mentality. Now we got, we got to go back to the Rangers because we got off course here. Like I think that Trochec could really help a team. Well, that is a type of guy that a ton of teams are going to be after, especially because of his cap it. I don't know what people have been saying about where Panare and lands. Like what's been the rumored destination? What about, what about Minnesota? I think Minnesota would want Trochec more than they'd want Panare. Centerman. Troche is so good at faceoffs. Yeah, I think that I honestly bet that Trochec will be more, more teams would want him, especially the playoff teams that need guys. He can, you know, he's proven in playoffs. He's, he's a dog out there. He wins faceoffs. I could see, I could see Troche in Minnesota, but those, the Russian guys like Panare and they like being on the East Coast. I don't know why like you never really see them go out west when they have an opportunity, or when they have the choice, unless I'm completely wrong, but I, I could see the, think for, yeah, like Florida, the Russians love Florida, but that cap hits too big. No. Yeah. That would take some major math to figure that one out. Washington's a team that's thrown out there. Carolina, right? But Carolina's like, ah, I, I feel like you need some size in Carolina, right? That's another shift. The incredibly talented, smaller, forward, but Panare and he can be such a game breaker, right? They don't have anyone like him. What if you always set about Carolina? They don't have that superstar. Yeah. Now is, is Panare and a superstar in the playoffs? Yeah. I think that the argument also probably just as much with Carolina is they have a hard time getting to the inside. They're a lot of perimeter play. So I don't know if that's solving your issue. Because he's a type of guy who can get pushed around, especially when you're going up against teams that play physical like Florida. The reason I could see Carolina is, well, one, they got the money and two, like, I feel like they'd be the type of team to offer them a long term deal where maybe after playing in New York, he gets to still stay out east, but he just gets the fly under the radar. And it may be a reason that the guy we're having on coming up for an interview was, was thinking about going there, right? Then he get off or cheated by Carolina. Yeah. And he signed it. And I think he made like over 20 million in one year, but he also ended up in Anaheim. So I guess that's the one I was trying to think of Russians playing on the West Coast. Yeah. Now, Colorado was mentioned before. I think G said Elliott mentioned that a couple of weeks ago. That is one that, that is one that would be scary. They already get to the inside. They have skill. That's a, that'd be an incredible move. But I'm very interested G saying what about Dallas? Dallas, by the way, has been brutal. I mean, we're talking two, three weeks now, bad hockey. You got to think that Jim Nils looking at that. Like we need to do something. We need to make a shake up here. Could he, could he end up in Dallas? That's going to be a crazy storyline. And also, Paneron kind of controls all this because he could kind of say, yes or no, anywhere he could want an extension with wherever he's going, which then the Rangers would actually probably like. Then it gets a better return. It's a cool storyline to watch. The whole Rangers team is kind of interesting to watch now because who's going to be left? Who's going to still be there after the deadline, after the draft? Do you think all this stuff, all these trades, especially the big dogs all happened before Olympics? We're running out of time here. Actually, you know, there's about 20, 20 to 23 days till they leave. So if I'm bring, if I'm a cup contending team and I'm a GM, it's the old Rutherford style in Pittsburgh. Bring them in early. I want as many games with these guys as I can get. I want to get them acclimated. I don't want to have it go down on deadline day and then have whatever it is. But it's about 12 to 14 games remaining before the, like bring them in as early as we can. So I'd want that. It's just that there's so many different teams in the mix right now. Like who is selling and who's buying? I also think to the big dogs that might get traded like the Trojx. I know Paneron's not going to Olympics, but the teams who are looking to trade, they want to case something happens at Olympics. They'd rather trade them before. Oh, yeah, yeah, if I had a high valuable asset, yeah, I would want to move on. Anderson Anderson's on Sweden, right? Like they get rid of him before that case something happens, right? Yeah, yeah, eliminate the risk element. As far as the letter to the fans, I just was AI like the way that what's definitely AI. Yeah, you know, I was just more kind of going to lose to the fact the way they traded true, but out of town, the way that they treated, cried her out of town. Who draw? I just Good draw. I feel like they they were a better team and better off with those guys on it. And they chase them out of town. And then now you get what you get now. So I don't know. I see what you're saying. And there's been a lot of that in terms of like the treatment of the players and the way it was you know, it's cut throw. Yeah, very cut throw. And then I saw responses like, Hey, Messier dealt with Gretzky getting traded from fucking Edmonton. Like if if you're telling me the Rangers fell apart because of the way those three guys were shipped out of town and that the team lost its morale. It's like boys figuring out. I think we're told I mean, I think we're talking about different ways here that they were shipped that out. Very true. They were like they gave they gave Basie were given true with a Dougie Hamilton treat. I agree. And it was like, Hey, like you'll be in the miners like you're done here. So accept the trade. But if a team can't like put that aside. All right, we're not happy with Kostra. We're not happy with how this went down. But like time to play hockey. Like you can't tell me that it's acceptable to say because of the way those guys were shipped out and bullied in a sense that the team couldn't play good hockey and couldn't play anymore. That they quit. It was it was more about like lost a little bit of their identity. Okay, those actually same with Criter. Like he was Mr. Ranger and he was though he was he's a pretty he's a pretty reserved guy right. Yanns like quiet guy, but when the puck drops, he comes to play. Hey, go goes hard. A great power play, great net front guy and I just feel like since moving on from those guys like have you really seen them replace them with that that many better players? I feel like they've also like from a team standpoint and just the familiarity of being with those guys like the success they had. And the way that it's also the younger guys and the other guys there being like, well, if this is how they're treating the guy who fucking leads their organization and power play goals and then our captain of our team, how are we going to be treated? So I just it's maybe just more so of the like the aura and the feeling around. My understanding is there was like even people in the front office that were let go that had been there a long time with the Rangers. So just just weird times and probably a good, good learning lesson for the jury in his short live career as a GM so far. So he's going to have one bullet here. Right. He's got the he's got the rebuild the trades and then what he can do with the rebuild and if what in the next two years, nothing's going right. I would imagine that he gets the door. I also think the Messier like you said with like those guys knew him going to LA. I was for the betterment of the league too. Well, and yeah, it's not a great analogy based on how guys were shipped out compared to Retski. I'm just saying like they were able to fit. They were able to put it all aside and be like, all right, new group here. Let's get our pants on. Let's go to battle and figure it out. Well, they also had a captain like Mark Messier. Yeah. So that's probably yeah. Or unless Logue took over as captain, but I would imagine it was massive. That's raised that cup against the Bruins, the one with Oak. That's right. In terms of Anderson, Vegas did go out and get him the God damn Vegas golden nights. How do they do this? They don't give a flying fuck about draft picks. I believe that they have the 2028 pick or 20 whatever. Okay. So the trade was white cloud who's got two years remaining at two and a half. So some people are saying will Calgary move him? Oh, we kind of make sense that they'd hold onto him. I think you kind of need something solid player won the Stanley Cup in Vegas. I think loved by his teammates. They also got a Abram weby. I hope I'm saying that correct defensive prospect. They got a 2027 first round pick and a 2028 second round pick that turns to a first round pick. If Vegas wins the cup. So that right now. Of all the years since they became a team, that's a first round pick. They hold that they may lose if they win the cup and then they also hold. Trevor Conley, everyone, every other first round has been dealt. And they go about their business in a certain way. They do not care about the future. They have a nice advantage that guys want to play there. That it isn't no state tax place that the team's been really good. That they're always looking to win. But once again, Vegas goes out. They didn't give a flying fuck about an extension coming with Rasmus Anderson. That was the Bruins hold up the Bruins. I guess had the deal done, but they would only do it with an extension. Well, the Mew, I think Pep base his agent said no. We're not going to be going anywhere with an extension. All of a sudden the Bruins are out Vegas has bring them on and we'll convince them to sign here, which they probably will. I think it was very similar to Hannathon. Did they sign Hannathon after he went there? The trade wasn't included. Speaking of Hannathon, him and Rasmus Anderson played really well together in Calgary. So all of a sudden you think that those two slot together. Is it McNabb who will be coming back? You got Theodore. It's a hell of a D there. They had to replace Petro and they did it. And I think Rasmus Anderson a lot of people are going to maybe if you haven't seen Calgary play in past couple years, they struggle. The guy is awesome. He can get your 50 points in a season. He's done that. He's physical. Can play a ton of minutes. It's a hell of a trade that makes Vegas even better. And I think Vegas is 17 or 18 a row right now. So things are clicking for them. They've been over time every fucking game this year. That win against the Leafs was incredible. Oh, what a game. Look at the teams that have won at the last. Like you think a Florida Tampa of Vegas. They don't give a shit about their draft picks. They're all in win now. Like you got a how many teams are going to follow suit that you just start trading away all these prosper. You get drafted by the Vegas gold. They shouldn't even send you a jersey. No, no, no. I mean, if you have a core though and you look at Tampa's and then you look at Vegas. All right. Yeah, we're fine. We have our five and six, five or six guys that we know are signed long term and in Vegas's case, they don't give a fuck. They'll trade any of those guys too. But we can now just go forward every year and we'll figure it out years down the line because at some point Vegas and Tampa will be bad. They have to be they better be not Tampa Vegas. I'm sick of Vegas, although we own Vegas. We really own Vegas. I say we I'm talking to the Edmonton Oilers. We own them. I'm not too worried about them. I will say though that I found out I didn't know this that the Oilers and the Blues are the only two teams in the league to not win three games in a row this year. That that's a little rattles. That's not exactly a great stat you want to hear as an oilers fan. But Vegas goes out and gets their guys. They always do and they're probably not done. Can you see them grabbing more? I can. I believe they have nine guys going to the Olympics too. So that's another thing you look at. Well, guys be tired. I don't know, but Vegas God damn Vegas golden nights. Well, I got I got a couple of lists here. I mean, this is from Sinban, Vegas and going back like you guys talked about. 2017 they had three first rounders. They were all moved to Nashville to Montreal to Ottawa. 18th of Detroit, the Buffalo in 2019, 2020 to the Rangers, 2021 to St. Louis, 2022 to Buffalo, 2023 to San Jose, 2024. They actually own their first round pick. They drafted Trevor Connelly and then 25, 26, 27. They're all gone and then now 20, 20, 28. It's owned conditionally by Calgary. So they've only picked one time in the first round and it was in 2024. The other list too list of players Vegas is traded for at the deadline or weeks ahead. It's the inception. They've gotten Mark Stone, Alec Martinez, Chandler Stevenson, Robyn Leonard, Nick Cousins, Jack Eichel, Tomas Hurtle, Noah Hanuffin, Jonathan Quick, Teddy Bluger, Ivan Barbyshev, Riley Smith and Rasmus Anderson. That's a fucking crazy. The Hurl one, I remember the Hurl one at like 304 Eastern that day and I was on my coach and I lost my mind. It was the breaking bad Jesse Pinkman. They can't keep getting away with this and they do. But like I said, Edminton's second round will take you down again. I think they did pick Suzuki. Suzuki had a Vegas Golden Knights jersey on at one point and then he was dealt over. But so they've made picks or they've dealt them. But I in terms of what Keith said and always trading away their future fans love that fans don't care unless you're horrible. And then you're waiting on a super prospect and get the chance to win the lottery fans don't care. Trade the picks get me a player. Maybe by that list, they meant even if they picked the first rounder, they shipped them off to that team that I mentioned. That's kind of what that meant there. And also White Cloud man, I think people consider him an original misfit and he was a very service serviceable defenseman played hard. I would say that on any Stanley Cup winning team, he's an incredible bottom bottom pair defenseman. Very long physical solid puck mover. So I mean to him, I mean, that's a tough one for the fan base. And he was a beloved player. God, I think the game winner and game one of the Cup finals against Washington when they won. That's a memory has forever also the picture of him running down the strip barefoot during the parade. That was a classic. We interviewed him right after that great guy. Awesome, dude. Probably a tough one to deal with, but he made his impact in Vegas. So you know, congrats to him on an amazing run there. The city doesn't Calgary if they move on from him. I could see I could see a Boston like he to me like we're talking about Laura. I think Laura needs a guy like him to play with whose steady but can still make good plays. He's tough plays hard every game. I don't think I don't think we see. I don't think we see him in a Calgary jersey all year. Okay. That's up. That's been mentioned. And last night was their seventh straight win the Gobegas Golden Knights. They've had seven in the row now. And you go back to that that Mitchi Marner against Toronto. Lot of least fans. They were booing Mitch in at the team. He said after they've always traveled well. He just had to kind of tip his cap. Leafs fans at least I remember Edmonton. Leafs and Montreal. They travel, man. They are everywhere. And I think Florida too. Florida Leafs and Montreal is always very loud. So they let him hear it. But dude, he ended up on top and the Leafs blew that game. Dude, they blew it. And I think Neelander was injured celebrating a goal. Like the bowl. He wasn't being a hot dog. No, no, no, no, bad luck. I'm saying he tried to do the T-stop and it looked like his ankle just buckled a little bit and he re aggravated a lower body injury. So he left the game. But incredible pace to that one unbelievable saves the one goal. They end up tying it five five. They go to review. It was offside. Guy doesn't drag a leg. Then they tie in the dying minute. And then OT was incredible. I go, you can't leave I go all on my back. So back in break away from the blue line base. That Matthew's back chicken and showed up. Yeah, I know. Everybody's all over him online. Shut the fuck up. This guy's been on a heater the last three, four weeks. And then he goes into Winnipeg and then does what he does with setting up Max Dome and that come back win for the OT winner. So Matthew's kind of entering his ability. I love it. He gave the year. He gave the he was listening to jets fans. Yellow and I'm getting off the ice and all he did was give him the ear lots immediately went down me scores caught a lot turned around and started doing baby cry face at fans and Winnipeg. So the Leafs they got some mojo going and Matthew says ten goals in his last eleven games. So all of a sudden if this is going to be like put it this way. Matthews is in the running for 50 goals still this year. Would you agree, Biz? I would yeah, I would say confidently he's going to let hit the 45 mark. Oh yeah, 40 45 mark. Um, but I don't understand why Winnipeg jets fans are booing Matthews every time he gets the puck. They should do remember the start of the feeling they've been on a bit of an embarrassing run. Half the fan base was trying to tell everyone that line A was going to be better. Well, they had that amazing game against each other where they both have hat tricks or did line A of a hat trick and he had to that was back there rookie year and yeah, things have gone a little different in the line A Matthews race to who'd be better competition and the jets. I don't really blame them for booing or what look at them. It's a disaster. Least they're not booing their own team like Jersey. That's true. And I want to say that if you could Google this one G that of the last ten games Leafs have beat the jets nine of the last ten. Wow. They played maybe could even be ten in a row. So we got the jets number right now and things are moving from bad to worse in Jetsland and a place where things are moving in an amazing amazing way and all positive is Columbus. A foreign a row, I believe they've won. And let's send to the audio of Elvis Merleck's leakens. Being asked what's what's changed? What's different? How are you winning now? I want to ask you three wins in a row to at home a new coach. What's different? New coach. That's it. New coach. Wow. What a sound bite for Jody Shelley on the bench there. I mean spicy that is. Yeah, that's a shot. That's a shot across the ball. I would say to Dean Evanson, just new coach, like nothing, nothing else. Just we got a new coach makes a team like it was very needed within the locker room at least. Biz, did you like it? Do you feel bad for Evan sin? What's your thoughts on that? Much like the the Sanerson quote we're going to get to. It just felt like it was frustration and he was letting it out. Maybe a weird time after a win and then the deed had already been done. From talking to people though, my understanding like Dean Evanson, when he was in Minnesota, he seemed like he was very well liked. You know, a very stern coach. I don't know what his philosophies were. It never really came out. The only thing we knew about the firing is the fact that it was hard on Billy G. They had an emotional moment. And sometimes you have to hand the reins off to somebody else because you think you're going to get better results. Well, I don't know what happened in Columbus, but it felt like the locker room from what I'm hearing said that he wasn't teaching. Like there was not a lot of teaching. It was just a work harder, you know, work harder, work harder where it's like, well, okay, like if you got a like some, some coaches can get away with that because they have such a good team. But if these, especially the veteran players, I think that they know how to play most systems. But when you also have a bit of a young wave, some guys being over from from Russia as well, there has to be a lot of teaching that is involved. Right. We talked about you mentioned, Vrable. You don't think Vrable's in there like being his buddy and breaking down the simplicity of these plays and the details and articulating to everybody inside that locker room in order to have success. Absolutely. Don't think that that was the case happening in Columbus and coaching a team, especially at today's, in today's NHL, it takes a lot of effort. It takes a lot of massaging relationships. It takes a little bit of coddling, not that they want to do it, but you got to do So that was kind of the MO and then you could see like just the instant impact that bones has had there. I worked with bones at TNT like he's fucking pacing between periods when things aren't going well for a team on there. We got to talk about this. We got to talk about that. Like he's so eager to attack what needs to be corrected. What he liked that about about that. And he wants to tell you too. So I just feel like the energy that he's brought over the course of the first, whatever, 10 days, 12 days that he's been there. It just looks like a world of difference and the players seem to be reciprocating that and really enjoying it. What do they win? Three in a row and then lost the fourth? Not they won four in a row. Biz, I agree with you on your last part. Like I don't think it's, I think it's more of a complement to bones as opposed to a shot at ever since. It just says, you got a new coach coming in. It's, you know, quarter of the way through the year. Positive. Yeah, just like, you know, he's positive. You see his, the sound bites in the locker room. Like he's, you know, he's trying to figure this all out while on the run, trying to get to know these guys. And I think it was a good way for, you know, your goalie to be like, we got a new coach. We're riding for him. This is our guy. I mean, he could have maybe phrased it a little differently and been like, no offense to the other guy, but this new guy has been great. So I think it's just more of a compliment to bones in the way that he's came in and, you know, one of the hearts of the guys in that locker room. I felt like you know, feel though that his body language and like the way that he set it. It, it was a shot. It kind of felt like a bit of a shock. I don't, I, I want to say that it didn't, but it now, here's the thing about that one compared to Jake Sanderson that will get into in a minute. That is immediately after the game. And there's a reason that there is a couple of minutes of cool down for players before the media comes in. Sanderson had that cool down before he addressed the media, right? No, he didn't. He's coming off the ice. The emotions are high. The vibes are great right now. Boom. He says that. So maybe if that's he's he's talked to in the locker room. He kind of has cooled down a minute and he doesn't say that, which did seem like a shot. Who knows? Maybe he does. But when you're getting guys right after a game, like trying to describe to people the adrenaline you have after a win specifically, like it's, it's kind of hard to let calm yourself down and and make sure you're thinking before you speak type, type thing. But I want to tell Columbus fans who we have openly, not what's the opposite of criticize, applauded as an amazing fan base. I hear you loud and clear in my DMs because I am with you right now that as many times as we've said, it's Kale McCars Norris Trophy to lose as long as he's in the league. Zach Warencki is the Norris trophy winner right now. He's one point behind Kale McCar. He's got four more goals. And if you look at what Kale McCars playing right compared to Zach Warencki, he is the best defenseman in the NHL this season. It's been insane to see what this guy's doing. He's got 18 goals already. All right. We're a little over halfway through the season. He's on pace for 35 goals. He's going to lead his team and scoring again. He is so fucking good. People don't know it because the lack the lack of success in Columbus, but the fans there do. And I have had so many people reach out to me. You have to start bringing this up. So I hear you. I've looked at the numbers. I've crunched. I've looked at the analytics, Pasha style. I'm under the hood of an old Chevy. And I'll say right now that throughout this point of the year, Zach Warencki is the Norris trophy winner. Okay, boys. Okay. All right. I can't argue with you. Honestly, I can't wait to watch him at Olympics, surrounded by guys of his caliber. He is going to be so electric. I think it's his power play. Like, you know, other people might say it's Quinn Hughes's power play. I wonder that one. I think you got to give it to him the way that he's doing it. He is so fucking good. He just flies under the radar. He's a no maintenance guy. Just goes out. Does his job every day? You don't hear much obviously from him because it's in Columbus. But man, what a player. This guy isn't a treat to watch every night. And maybe we get an example of the pronger, Needomire buzzing around Anaheim Ducks power play of just having both of them out there. It doesn't have to be four forwards, right? You get to D one of them's Quinn Hughes. He just plays everywhere. Warencki's up top. That could be an option. So we'll see what happens there in US. But Warencki was incredible in the four nations as well. I know we got a little off track there with Warencki, but going back to Santa since comments. I mean, that's tough. They put the one kid in minus all markers out right now. He's on a personal leave. I don't know what's going on. Right. So then that one kid, I'm going to try and pronounce his name. Do you know how to pronounce his name, boys? It's is it Livey, Mara Lainon? Sounds pretty good. Sounds great. Not bad. That's pretty good. So he kind of gets left on an island where I think he went 10 straight games with having below a 900 save percentage. So Ottawa's not getting any saves. If Ottawa, if Ottawa had average goal tending, they would be competing for the top spot in the Atlantic. Right. Is that would you guys agree with that? They have the expected goal saved. This is more under the hood stuff. It's crazy. We're talking about, but Ottawa is 11 goals worse than anyone else in goal tending category for the team like the goal saved above expected. There are a minus 34.1 right now. The next team is St. Louis at 23. So I mean, you to look at like for instance, a team like Buffalo is is flat even on that goal is expected above average. So that's that's the type of swing we're talking about as a difference and talk about bad luck for Ottawa when it comes to goal tending. This is a little nugget to that I set you guys way. We're single season NHL team saved percentage since 1990. Number one was 92 93 Ottawa settlers. Their team saved percentage was 852. The next year after that, their save percentage was 857. And then this year 2526, the Ottawa settlers team saved percentage right now is 85 in the modern day era of NHL. Like I don't know. These guys playing with black ice goal, goal tending pads like what's going on over there? I don't know, but let's quickly throw it to Jake Sanderson's comments. Yeah, I think you know, let me made some some good saves, but I think at the end of the day, you got to make more than 10 saves one game. That's one that that's tough, right? If you're the goalie and you see that like dude, your confidence is down. Like Biz said, you've played 10 in a row and he says he made some good saves, but and that's when you know, oh, oh, and when you have a team that's struggling the way they are, most of it being goal tending. Friction starts happening, right? And what I think what hurts Sanderson the most was Brady Kachuk and Tim Stultzer was asked about them and they really pumped his tires and they really kept it within the locker room and stayed as a group didn't throw them under the bus. I would guess if you if you could ask Sanderson if he do it again, he'd say no, right? I get the frustration. Also, I think that game Sanderson had four points played over 25 minutes. He's been incredible. Everyone's starting to realize how great of a player he is and he's disgusted and he's frustrated and I get it, but you look at the captain who then doesn't go that route. And I don't know if Stutzel and Brady had already been told of what Sanderson said or if it was all kind of going on as one with the media around the room. But speaking from my example at the Internet, an invitational of completely crushing lukewarm only to have John Gruden really bring us together as a group. I felt pretty bad after I was like, oh, no, that's kind of what a real leader does. And I'm pretty sure when Jake Sanderson saw the comments from Kachuk, he's like, fuck, like as hard as it's been to go through this and see goal after goal, after goal, go in. I got to be a better teammate. You know what I'm saying? Like it's not, it's not the right thing to do. I don't know, but like I see both sides I'm playing both sides. And he's getting thrown out of the bus in a sense of like I'm not saying like all Mark needs to be around if he's dealing with stuff mentally. But the fact that this kid who I've never even heard of gets, you know, 10 starts in a row, he gets thrown on an island. You know, you just made you made the big trade and you paid this one goal all the money and he his see percentages is not much better if even worse. And all of a sudden this kid gets between a put between a rock and a hard place and left on an island where it's like, if it was all Mark and he was saying that because that was still continuing and he was making all the money as a veteran and a Vezna winner. I would have a little bit more of an understanding as opposed to this kid who's probably like, I'm just happy to be here. And I don't know if there's been a goalie in the league to start 10 games in a row this year. Gee, maybe looked that up. That is, that isn't like the old school starting like 30 in a row. I feel like. Yeah, I think I mean, obviously he would love to take it back. He's not wrong in what he said, but it like it goes back to, I remember being young when you're fiery, you want to win every game. You know, and you're, your number is on the board to do media. And I, I, I like specifically remember like donor seeing me red in the face, ready to go to media and he would grab me to the side and be like, tell me what to say. You know, so he should have went to Brady and been like, Hey, dude, I'm thinking a fucking phone. This guy under the bus. What do you think? Brady would have been like, no, let's not do that. Times are tough enough already in an audible land. Like, let's, let's keep it down a little bit. But I mean, at one point, it's like, okay, this guy wears his heart on his sleeve. He's going out every night playing his, his balls off. So you kind of see it both ways, but at the end of the day, you can't do that to your team. And then after this, they play Detroit, Pinto ties it up. It's three three. They go to overtime, Stutz will lose the offensive zone. To me, maybe it's end of the shift. Kind of looks like he quit a little bit on the back check goes over to bring cat. And he rifles one over rhyme or shoulder and auto will lose again. They get a point. But yeah, it's, it's, and I think rhyme or had like 30 to 35 saves. He played pretty well. He was shot outshot them by a ton Sunday. But yeah, you just, I think playing just remembering how brutal it feels. If you're the guy getting thrown under the bus. And then to see it happen, it's like I think Sanderson as a young guy would say. I, if I could have that one back, I would. But with that, I think it's time to throw it over to a true legend of the game. Straight from Russia, all the famer Sergey Fedorov. This episode of Spit and Chico is brought to you by new body armor flash IV caffeine zero sugar. You heard that right. You get the flash IV, you get the caffeine, you got no sugar involved. If you're dragging, but you're also dehydrated, maybe after a big night, this is the move. This is the drink. It's hydration with a caffeine boost and zero sugar involved. You don't need any of that. 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A Hall of Famer an international hockey Hall of Famer and the newest number raised to the rafters for the Detroit Red Wings surging a federal. What's going on? Hi guys. Nothing going on still trying to get over jet lag, but we safe and sound back in Russia. And I guess working hard the whole game and the whole Jersey retirement and raising to the rafters seemed incredible. I think the coolest thing for us, grown up watching you was the Nike skates that every guy had on or warmups. Did you have any idea that was happening? No idea. Not even a Corvette. Did you get to keep the Corvette? I liked it, but it was old model. Didn't want nothing to do with it. Who were the guys that you were most excited to see and who do you think was the most excited to see you because it looked like Dara McCarty didn't put his phone down the entire week. Do it all those selfie videos. Honestly, I saw everybody and everybody I guess was looking forward to that kind of sort of night. I came in beginning of November and I saw some guys and I invite every one of them and I don't know. Whoever I play with and basically it's more than 20 guys just to summarize the whole experience though now that you're back home. I'm sure you guys had a few cocktails too, but like could you have ever imagined that you'd be getting your Jersey number retired by the Detroit Red Wings? And what was it like when you got the call when they let you know? I understand if we start from beginning, I understand people in Detroit, radio hosts, even my friends that were telling me that they talk about you, they talk about Jersey, this and that. I told every one of them, whoever I talked to, I said, listen, it's out of my hands for sure. I'm red winged at heart. This is going to be if it's happened. Huge honor. Huge honor the club can show to the to the player to his accomplishments. And but eventually I said, if it's happened, I'll be thrilled, I'll be honored. What else? I don't know what to say, right? But if it doesn't happen, it's still there. All the accomplishments as a as a red wing, all the accomplishments as the team. Those cops will be there and those goals will be there. It's no problem. It's it's been long time for sure. But to me, to me, red wings, 100 years old, I'm a ninth player and arena and the whole LCA is going 150% of everything. So finally they put together such a great entertainment piece. I'm glad to be part of it. And it did happen. That's awesome. The speech was was was amazing. A couple different things you want to ask about about that. Awesome. One of them was that you can tell still speech was not ready. No, oh yeah, that's like a best man speech is wait till the last minute. But you could tell you were getting almost a little emotional talking about Steve Iseman and what he meant to you is funny because when he was first asked about bringing you over, he actually said he's better than I am after you guys played against each other in the world championship. So when you got over, how much did he mean to you? Did you know a lot about him? You know, when you came over to be a wing, the honest answer and shorter sense for I did not know anything. Honestly, I remember when I met Steve first time in Detroit, I remember him from World Cup, but I came absolutely from clean sheet. I don't know much about I don't think much about I was only 20 guys. It was stressful enough to make that last step before the tournament. I only played two exhibition games and I decided, listen, nothing hold me. I already decided probably not a long time ago, but year or two before that I'm going to try to find new new life, new hockey life for myself. And I left and it took me a few months to just get used to idea that I'm in different country. I'm in Detroit, but everybody was so nice. So that acclimation or should I say get a custom to the new life obviously went much smoother than I thought it would be. But I was worried about a lot of things, especially when I left Soviet Union team, I was worried about parents, no doubt. Thank God they were living up north away from Moscow and so on. And so I don't know if they got bothered too much, but till this day did they did not talk about to me about anything. I don't know, maybe they they can't. My father already watching over me from the sky. My mom still doing well. I don't know, man, they still quiet about if they have any sort of problems at the hometown up north where we were living. And you're referring to the fact that you defective from Russia. There's some people listening that might not realize that like to be quite Frank before we we knew we were interviewed where I looked into it. I was unaware of that too because McGillney is the one name that stands out the most and my understanding you ended up doing it the year after McGillney. That's correct. That's probably found out on like maybe how to go through with it through him. Like did you just know no, no, nothing more idea. No idea. Alex, we finished World Cup. We want to work up in Stockholm, Sweden. And after a couple days of partying. I think I've said this story. So no video after a couple days at night, we were just about to sleep. He goes, I'm going to Buffalo tomorrow. Come with me. I'm like, Alex relax. What I'm going to do. It's Buffalo. And I didn't really take it seriously. Obviously being night in at the time and I said, let's sleep over. We'll talk tomorrow and eventually in the morning we chat and he goes, I live after lunch. So if he can walk me out or if he can send me on the way, it'd be great. So I really did support that, walk him out, put him in the car and here we go. But I never imagined or thought I'm going to do the same thing, but in a different sort of circumstances, never at that time. So it was pretty fun to remember those kind of bulls-y moves, especially out of the Soviet Union sort of system. So how did your situation transpire if it was different? My situation, we came good old games. We were two months into the training, you came to the tournament. It's called good old games in the summer sort of thing, right? And I had a few contacts with representatives of the red rings from Jimmy lights, Jimmy lights at the time. I believe Vice President of the Red Ranks organization. And they were, they saw me a couple of times and eventually we have super Syria with Red Army team in Chicago. You know that story. I hope you heard of it. I skipped from the back door where our team stayed and went to see Jimmy at the Drake hotel. He go full throttle of me, he gave me contract, show me zero's as far as the sign book notes, show me beautiful, like a nice Corvette sort of like a book, you know. And it was awesome, you know. We were a Drake hotel and a nice, nice suite, just like in the movie or in a stories, maybe you read and he goes, let's go now. I was kind of not worried, but I was I understood I understood I wanted to go but not now, but eventually and I understood he's a sort of emotions. But at the same time again, I was worried about my parents. I have no idea what to do. By the way, that trip, person, you know, officer from special forces, you know what I'm talking about, we're traveling with the team. So I had to kind of figure out how I come around that issue because it was like five or six PM. And we're just about to have a dinner at seven as a team. So I had a dinner and then right away while he was eating, I was gone already to see Jimmy Lides and I came back before curfew, which is 11 PM, I believe. I mean, every Russian that I ever played with, you guys are so proud to be from Russia. You know, it's you want to play for your country like to make the decision to come over. Was it more, you know, I want to better my life with money or just you knew about the NHL and it was where the best players in the world were because you guys had a great league over there as well. We did, but me and Alex were four years and in the sort of sports facility leaving outside of Moscow. We know 11 months out of the year we were training twice a day, sometimes four times a day, sometimes three times a day. And by the year number four, we were three times Soviet Union champions. We were two times world champions, European champions, Alex in 1988 was Olympic champion. And we still in that sort of what is it called support facility outside of Moscow? It's called Baza. I mean, I mean, place where the people who doesn't have sort of apartments or cars would stay. It was two of us only. And we asked last two years of our sort of journey with a red army. Can we get like apartments? Can I get a car to my parents? Nobody going to see it. I want to let them have it. I have money and I was ready to buy sort of if team would provide month because I was still 18 or I didn't have a drive license or anything. So they put on the pause. They were kind enough and not to sort of give me a harsh words to say, listen, we got older players. They in line blah, blah, blah. We can give it to you. And by nighty, like end of nighty, I understand. I mean, I've seen I've seen my older older teammates, older teachers. That's how I like to call them. Struggle to you know, five, seven years, they super champions, but they they leave sort of in if he sort of conditions, you know, you know, I'm saying. Yeah. So I figured out me and Alex were not going to get what we want. And that's one of the reasons, you know, that's one of the most exciting reasons. In 89, I had a super serial like I said, and in Philadelphia, Jolla point from New York, post asked me if I ever would like to play in any cell. And I said blindly like maybe one day, I don't know. So far I'm playing for a diamond learning hockey here. I cannot imagine like in a year, I will be the United States of America. I'm trying to try it myself and you league new teammates new life and so on and so on. So hockey, secondary like zero, secondary sort of apartments and cars. And that's that was secondary. I did not dream how nice and how warm Red Wings organization, Mrs. Elish, Mr. Elish and obviously the whole staff will treat me. I don't know nothing about Corvette. I don't know nothing about our apartment, which is for free for a few years. But they like to carry me like their own sort of part of the family. It was super nice. And I guess that's a price to be a little bit young, 20 and doesn't know much about life outside of the hockey. And Mr. O's family show me how to be generous and kind and appreciative of things like doesn't happen overnight and every day or every year or every 10 years. I don't know. You choose. I know I speak for for the other guys with us right now, but like with what kids are given now, they kind of have their ass kiss coming up their entire lives. Like the balls it took for you guys to do that. It's just on such a different level from what players are doing now to get into the NHL. So it's a credit to you. But when you mentioned you met with with Jim lights and then got back to the hotel, when when did you then end up meeting him again to go to his, I think it was Mr. Elish's jet. You ended up getting on, right? Yeah. I met Jimmy already in Detroit. Six AM we arrive. I don't know that day, particularly, but next two, three days, I met him at his office at Bolly Surina. It was enough meeting for me too. I don't want to get sort of get suspicion to my sort of people who were with the team at a time. That's their job. Look around, make sure everybody together in contact and return back to Russia. Before we get like too deep into the weeds and the Detroit stuff, what was your upbringing? Like I did read something that used to train for de-Cathletes or de-Cathalons. Excuse me. Is that true? How you used to train growing up or maybe that was a rumor I read online? What do you mean Catholics? What's that? Like like basically you were in very good shape. Like just like the, the, the, the, the Catholic lawn is like an event where there's a bunch of different events, but maybe this is wrong. The information I'm getting, but Tick and I've had them working out five times a day. Well, it's no doubt I have like paper copies when Vika Tikkunov would put against every player that he was at training, particularly training off the ice and on the ice. So I have copies and then I have how much tons of weights we would lift in two and a couple of hours. Yeah, we train extremely hard. I can tell you briefly about first, first preseason, we like a month and a half or two months in only facility that has weights. So we would have like 70 to 80 kilos of weights. We have 13 stations. We have to lift 15 times three laps. So we once lift 27 tons of weights in two and a half hours. That it just all the different types of like squats like shoulder press just you name it. You were just thrown away anything you can imagine squats bench presses and 13 stations. I don't know. I guess it was pull ups also and so on and so on. And then you can raise your hands up. So maybe that's what he meant by all the different events. It was just these different stations that you would go to to lift these hard hard core weights and who so like like was that just something that was pretty common then or were you guys going up? Absolutely, absolutely, no technique. No reason to do so much, but that's what we've done. Honestly, guys, we survived me and Alex. We survived. First year, I could not lift 60 kilos bench press by 17 and a half, 18. I was doing what I just said. When you came over and saw guys not working out as hard as you guys were in Russia, well, you kind of like what's going on here? Honestly, we personally, I am, I didn't think that way that guys did not work hard in my mind and my opinion since day one, Red Wing's organization and players and that I met work really, really hard. I understand one thing. When you have 82 games, almost every other day or 12 games, 13 games a month, you can do the same stuff we've done in Russia. In Russia are sort of a regular championship. It's 34, 36 games and another games up to nighting or 80 games. We'll pick up on the international tournaments, including World Cup or European Cup or Olympic games and so on and so on. Unreal. As Biz mentioned before, we get to the Detroit team and the cops. I'd love to go back to eight, nine-year-old Sergey Federov. Like, I imagine you were skating a lot of outdoor arenas. What made you fall in love with the game and maybe a coach or your dad then? I don't know how it worked in terms of you falling in love with the game of hockey. Well, definitely. In 78, I was a nine-year-old. We moved up north above Polar Syrico. It was nine months of the winter. We would skate and realize. It would melt at March, but still it was good enough to skate. I live in a fifth five-story apartment. My school would be seven minutes walk. My ice arena where my dad was working as a manager of the whole winter sports were like ten minutes easy walk. Behind, if you crossed the road, was a soccer field. Obviously it was not green because it was cold. But I live in an environment where everything was so closed. No need the car. No need nothing. So if let's say we have like minus 30 Celsius and snow falling, school are closed. We'll be at the ring right away. And we would skate for five, ten minutes. Your chicks become white. That's where you have to go back. Get your something warm like not cotton, but cashmere. And you start doing this. Make sure you didn't get frostbite. That's what we did. And I had so much opportunities and I had so much ice time that I always were doing either shoveling snow or skating or I will be at the school. Then I would have practice. Then I do my homework at night until ten or eleven. I would play right in front of my apartment building with friends. And that's how life would go. But definitely ice. Imagine real ice. I'm probably that thick at the end of the season and sunny day. And it's 33 meters wide. And you're just skating with the box and it sounds so good. You know, that ice would break underneath of your skates. At a time, we start getting not still skates, but already plastic skates. The one whole world now playing. And before my skates were like, I don't know, three and a half kilos each. Oh my god. The whole thing is when you get those light one. It was amazing feeling. And hockey was dynamic sport. And seems to me, I get a whole idea how to play or and obviously my father was around for all of this. I think you referred to your even your teammates as teachers. Is that what you said earlier? Yeah, I said about Igor Slava Vladimir Krutov, Sergei Makarov, Alexei Kassatonov, Vitch Slava, Baikov, Valeri Kamenski. I don't know if you can relate to those names, but few of those guys playing NHL. I came when I was sixteen or seventeen. They already were superstars. I realized that later on after I finished my career, everything comes from analyzing what happened to me. Is it really true? I was in North America playing. So I had to press button, watch YouTube and stuff. Sometimes it did happen. We did happen. So I can analyze all of this. And I really truly believe up front of me for eleven months out of the year, four hours every day on the ice. I see those guys playing hockey, training hockey and nobody really explained a lot what he have to do. Our generation have chance to skate two hours in the morning, two hours in the evening. And obviously watch the best place in the world that already been superstars at 25, 26 like Laryonov, Makarov Krutov, Vitch Sivkassatonov. They were unfire already. How did the Red Army team find you when you were fifteen, sixteen? Like was it tournament? Great question and great story, Gans, who would love to share it with you. I was coming from my North City just like I said in the speech, thirteen hundred miles to play in the exhibition games in the means of Belorussia. But I only had one chance to play four hours away from my city where my family reside. It was a big city, regional, big city. And they had a team. They had a team a year older than me. But they saw me play a couple of tournaments. They invite me to that trip that really out. We have to go outside of the region, thirteen hundred miles away, play sort of summer hockey like a exhibition hockey. So I play for a year older guys and we came to Minsk. So we're playing three or four exhibition games and the coach who invite me there for that special very good hockey program were going, I can tell you love it like crazy because I was his age group that he was training. Imagine and I play second line and with one few games and everything was good. Soon as he find out I'm the only one age group that he's coaching. He immediately call me in into the office. I'm twelve and start talking to me like I like to invite you to the Minsk, this man that is what do you know about when you talk? I was excited. I said, well, thank you. I will tell my parents about. So like in the speech in the year, well, I can back home. I told my parents one year I didn't hear anything and all of a sudden summertime after I finished school, they asked me, so Sergei coach cold, would you like to go? I'm like not even think about absolutely. They have a really roof over the skating green just like in the speech. So I have to shovel snow for hour hour and a half or two hours some time, you know, depends. And I can skate there 11 months out of the year with a with the elite program with elite program. So by 13, my dad took me there for two weeks. He stays with me. And then he left the back home to work. So I was in the million people city have, have, have in my schedule. I was living at the school. I had 11 people in my room. First year. So when you, when you're cleaning cleaning all that facility, you got that much sand, that much sand and most precious sort of things you hiding underneath of the mattress. It's unbelievable. So I went there and three, three and a half years and that city has dynamo Minsk organization. So if I choose by dynamo, I would go dynamo mask out in Moscow. But I was finishing school. I play already one year for dynamo Minsk there. But I still was too young to get drafted or sign in and stuff like that. So suddenly red army scout, the famous scout who brought to Victor Tick and many, many great players were talking to my dad. So I'm finishing school. I'm saying goodbye at I shrink where I train for three, three and a half years. And next thing I know we're on the train to Moscow. I'm coming in, settle it down. Also, I'm coming to that gym with a lot of weight and start working out. That's how much I remember. So they basically stole me from that progressive line towards dynamo. That's how I went. That's how I went to red army. And is that when you met Mogilny because you guys are born the same year. We came to professional red army team together. Oh wow. That's correct. Unbelievable. It was in the Moscow already two years playing for junior red army team. You know what I'm saying? I came off the adult adult team playing adult hockey. We have top league and we have first league. So they play in the first league. But I play like 15 games. I score seven goals, one hat trick and few assists. And soon as I'm done, while I was in school and soon as I'm done that season, that's called took me to Moscow. My dad agrees and that's how I end up there. So it seems like that's really all you knew, right? It was hockey. You were doing it so often. Like how how did guys over there not get burnt out by the amount of times you're working out, you're skating, you're doing it 11 months of the year. Like is burnout even a thing over there? I got you. If I may, I like to defend myself. I knew, um, be below tech. I used to go there and read a lot of, a lot of books. Obviously they were a little bit war books and drama and it was about that. But you absolutely right. All I knew is how to sleep. I have to be good at school and I become really good student those three years in Minsk. Otherwise, manager of the school would not sign my piece of paper to go to play tournaments. So I immediately become good student. Wow. And that's crazy. Yeah. And your teacher, you see, you had to be a brown nose or your teacher because if you didn't give you the, the okay, you couldn't play. Did you ever get suspended? I sign every teacher, literal Russian language, math. Like it was like 12 signings and then director or a manager of the school has to sign it then I can go to tournament. Wow. Did you ever one time not get a signature so you couldn't play? I was good student. I was good. I knew, man. Yeah. The coach is like sign this fucking paper buddy to the professor. We need him. Actually, my school has only summer, summer sports hockey, considered winter sports. Nobody really gives it a damn if I am there or not there in like sleeping, eating and stuff like that. Really? If they see me in class, everybody happy. If they don't see me in class, nobody really care because I was just like, I don't know how to say it, but I'm not summer, summer sports. I'm winter sport. That was basically my own all those three years since 13 up to 16, 16, 16 and a half 17. That was fun experience because Soviet Union was safe. That's a more important thing right now. It's not like that. And was that right about the time when correct me if I'm wrong? You, Mogilny and Buray were aligned at the World Junior tournament. That's correct. How that go? In the flash. We're playing well together. Really. I don't have ice on the back of my hat, but I know where they were. Yeah. It felt great from the get-go in Red Army. Me and Alex got together. Year later, Pival came in, we spent the last season at Red Army, then play in World Junior's. I did own duck, I believe. We won there. And me and Alex went to adult first national team to Stockholm and we won there in 89. He left, I stay. So when you mentioned before that you knew nothing, even when you came over, would you say that as a young kid in Russia, is it your dream to play for the Red Army or grown up where you were? You don't even really know about that before the internet and all this. That's correct. Very limited information. As you know, I said, we train on the ice twice, 11 months out of the year with the games going on and stuff. Then we have morning warm up, which is we're on or do something. Then first two years we even train with Alex and Pival eventually at 9 p.m. also before we go to bed. So it would be like almost three to four practices, but it's only two years. That's what got us really sort of over the edge and at such a young age at 20, Alex maybe, yeah, Alex was 21 when he came in. Give us that physical conditioning where we look good, okay, we look okay right from the get go. So we'll be able to play adult hockey right away. You know, early 90s, it's a cutthroat game. I mean, you were on your own from when you were 13 years old, just coming over to the US, you be in the only rushing guy on the team. That must have made it a little easier just because you've been doing it on your own since you were so young. I believe so. It's a great experience. I knew where I should stay and sleep and study. I knew bus number, which is number 77. I knew two bus stops, my school and hockey ring and on the way back the same thing. But means we're great. Billy guys, I have a school starts at 11.40. So I would get up at 7.7.30 and go to 9.30, 10 o'clock practice, practice for one hour with a year younger guys. Then my school until 5 or 6 p.m. And then I practice with a three years older guys, two years older guys and all the coaches gave me really big favor. I saw my spets, spets class, spets team only Saturday, Sunday. I only play for them, never practice with them. That's how it work out because they're school at 8. But I cannot make it because I live at the school and nobody can provide living like billets or some like that. So I was five days out of the week on my own doing my own training with those teams and then play Saturday Sunday with my own age team. Must have been so easy in those things. But get it getting to Detroit. Okay, so you get over immediately over a point per game, 30 goals. The next season is when Constantine off and I believe cause love came. When did you find out they were coming and like, how happy were you that you had another Russian or two over there? And okay, this is this is maybe a little bit easier off the ice. Is that true? Seven months since I got to Detroit, I already were speaking some some. Okay. So for me, Corvette downtown apartments to bedrooms, I can walk without going outside straight to the locker room from my apartment. If it was awesome, you know, sometimes when it's snowy or rainy, I don't have to do anything. Just walk maybe 10 minutes. I'm in the locker room. That's what I did. But those guys coming in, obviously it was easy, but I was rocking because I already speaking English. I show them around and I was like sort of, I got them under my winged little bit, you know, and make them make them adjust it a little bit, obviously easier for them. And for me, because they share some experience and I immediately can answer them what we should do about certain situations by car, by furniture, maybe rent apartment, where to go eat because Detroit was not saved downtown. Some areas, you know, so I show them around and it was definitely easier, definitely easier to have a couple of Russians on the team. I was just going to ask, like, how hard was it for you to adapt to the North American style of play? Like, like, how was it for you to like, transition into the way that they were playing maybe different from the way that they were, you know, how you would play offense in Russia? And obviously first chair was a nerve racking because from 33 meters to 26 or 25, it was playing like in the phone booth five and five, you know, I always kind of say this, I'm glad I came at 20 because it's easier to adjust. It's obviously all this training in four years prolonged me for 20, 20 years in National Hockey League. That's amazing, a luggage that I got from Red Army and the able to throw this power in the National Hockey League. But soon as I understand English, I understand I understand drills, I understand how coaches like the sea, it was not that difficult because in Russia we have way more like coach pre-game meeting could be 20, could be 30, could be 40 minutes. In any cell, it's 5, 7, 10 minutes tops. That was really leaving your life. 40 minutes, what the hell were they telling you? Well, they would go line by line by line by line. So every line would get instructions for 10 minutes, including those superstars I was talking about earlier. And it was reasonable, but it was so detailed, so to the point and stuff like that. When you think of the Russian five and you guys, you guys changed the way the game was played, right? And you see it more now. Like do you ever think of what you would be able to do in the league right now if you came in as a young 20 year old surrogate federal like how easy would you play in the dog days? That was still fun. That was good. Honestly, I don't want to elaborate too much about, but obviously it's a little bit easier. No clatching, no grabbing. You said everybody, you guys know too. I don't want to go over my head. I think I respect the game, respect the national hockey league. They do make sure it's run like a business like a great sport show on earth. So it is what it is, you know, it would be nice to shoot the shed when we at the bar in him a couple of beers, but not on radio and TV. Obviously, you probably you know hockey, your professionals, who knows? Who would you stay was the most instrumental teammate that you had when you came over that was North American to help you adjust? Like who was the guy that you would hang out with? You know, this is a great question because I was thinking about Sean Boer all this time. He left us early because he got diabetes. And this is an awesome guy. I room probably seven, eight years before I room with Nick. And he's the guy who really helped me to adjust to everyday life. Every minute of everyday life. He was really, he was nice guy. He was really cool and he taught me first word shed box because in Detroit at that era, I was a lot of cars with a hole in it. I really don't understand until a year or so what what he really means, but he was fun guy to be around. He's a good friend of me. I could see you're getting emotional. That's someone. Yeah, just to think of what you were through to have somebody like on your side helping that's I can understand. I can understand it. And your second year Lidstrom came. I don't know if you'd played against him in world championships. Did you know anything about the dominance you were going to witness the next 20 years? That's a good question. Of course, of course. Yes, of course. Right away. On a serious more than I saw Nick first time in my life at Jolus Arena inside of the locker room. He was a very dry, well-built hockey player, but as far as the plan against him, no, before red rings, I didn't see him and I didn't I did not play against him. But since first tried when we play summer hockey, just to get ready for the training camp, you can tell how smooth he was and I can tell you he was better than me. I just want to go back to the Russian five quickly. Like, who was your ring? Who was the ring leader? Like, who is maybe coming up with more of the philosophies of what was happening on the ice? Or was it more of a collective thing where everybody was throwing their ideas in about how you guys were weaving? That's a great question. But to answer this question, I need 20 minutes. Okay. Perfect. Well, answer the question is this Papa Bear, which is slow if it is, it was definitely my our leader, Igor Ladeonov, right next to him. Second part of the question, we go back to Soviet Union. That's where we done everything you mentioned. We already knew what we're going to do. I tried to describe how it was. Calgary, we came in. I think Igor flew in. We have two meetings in Dan's County called five of us before the game, two hours before the game. By the way, you guys playing together. We look at each other. Scott says, okay, meeting is over. Go on. So we're not we didn't say to each other one or two words. We just were like looking at each other at the meeting. We were super excited because I play with Slava, a coslo if I play with Voddy and having Igor and Slava Fatissa, my teachers, like I said, we have no idea how it's going to turn out. But after warm up, I was at ease personally, and I knew we're going to play well together. We're going to play well as a unit. But whatever happened afterwards, I had to watch 30 years later when I was a GM here at the Red Army because people ask me questions. I don't have a good memory of it. But I watched the whole game and I understood we just kept the puck as much as we could. And we never throw it anywhere. That is so good. Good for Scotty Bowman for allowing you guys that because back then maybe not a lot of coaches would have allowed that. The thing is what's great for all of us. And obviously I think Scottie created that idea. He was a big fan of Soviet Union hockey, the Rasov days. That's a famous coach in Russia, ten world championships in a row. And I don't know how if that's the truth. I don't know how he talked to management into it because Igor and Slava was on a downhill. And when I can say that, I guess, no problem. When Kenny Holland asked me about should we get the Igor or should we get Slava? I'm like, are you serious? Can we? He goes, yeah, yeah. I said, absolutely, do it. Do it. Just don't think about it. Just do it. Whatever takes Alex McGillie, what are in the mix? I'm sorry, it didn't wrap, but Alex McGillie were in the mix. But for some reason did not work out. Okay, that would have been, I mean, that would have been enough, enough Detroit. I was young guy. I have no idea what I'm getting into. But to have those, those guys again, together in the team, I don't know if they can play. I knew they were my shoulder. Well, my shoulder, it's like 10 to 11, I was Slava 15. Yeah, 10 years, 10 to 11 years. I don't know how they feel about, but boy, what, what we experience, I experienced personally was amazing till this day. When you think back to Scotty Bowman, you know, consider the best coach in the history of the NHL and then you look at Victor Teacon off, like anyways, they were similar as coaches, like how were they different or like looking at the two that coached you? Probably what they achieve, they probably plus minus the same, you know. Different countries differently, I understand. But as far as coaching, they absolutely totally plus and minus. In Soviet Union coach can raise a voice on the bench, behind a bench, on to the ice and so on. After the first or second period, we might get even, you know, some harsh and hard wording, you know. Obviously, on the channel, not like that, Scotty is not like that. But the team we had, even after my Russian buddies came in like Slava Kuzlov and Vladimir Kostan Tim, we had Lee Norvut, Dave Barr, we had experienced him, John Shabbat, we got Glanny Hanlon, Jay Galan, they were, you know, we have well-balanced age-wise team. So we had a great team and still coaching, not raising their voice, they absolutely only behind closed doors, one-on-one, maybe they would say something. Not harsh, but strong, you know, so you can get your feet moving and so on. That's a huge difference, huge difference between Scotty and I have a civic certificate. Obviously, I don't know how it was back then, but you know, the fighting over in Russia probably wasn't what it was in the NHL, but what was it like having a guy like Joey Kosher and then, you know, Bob Probert, like guys like that, having those guys on your team? Well, I sat with Bobby right next to me since day one. I feel great. I knew I would never gonna have problems, even though I jumped a gun a couple times and pay half the, half the sums of money, then got to the right sort of cause NHL, you know. I got suspended a couple times from four and five games, but money went to right cause, I'm sure about that, but playing with those guys, they can play hockey, they can score goals. If they give them a chance, especially Bobby, Bobby was a 30-goal score. I'll start team. I believe he made it. Joey, sort of, I think I would a little bit less because it was across the room, Bobby was next to me. I saw how he prepared for those fights, you know. What's his name when he fought Troy Crowder, round two, round three, round four, all those clips from the papers. I have no idea. I was just, make sure I'm not on the way, make sure he does even don't think, you know. But Bobby was a classic guy. Very fun to be round. I was gonna say, like, you're one of the first guys. I think you're one of three guys to win the, what, the heart, the selky, and also the Stanley Cup in one season. Were you always defensive minded even when you're in Russia or was there something that, like, a conversation with Bowman or Stevie Y, where they're like, we need you to become better here? Or was that something you always embraced? I think it's coming from the Soviet Union era over a derby. The way we play there, Victor Tikhonov insists on center to be defensive or reentered. Once we lose a puck, our forwards, our wingers has to go one at a time. And we got a bite. And we got a bite, we got a bite time and eventually close left side or right side. Depends where the puck carry would go. But center without the puck always back in triangle, which is 2D and you right in the middle. Defensively in defensive zone, center always, if your defensive, I mean, my defenseman would close on the player and they would be stationary. I had to come and help get the puck or get in ball two on two and get the puck out of the zone. So I already knew how to play defense, how to play without the puck from red line into our zone. It's not conversation. You guys know, you can perform something you don't know or you don't experience or you didn't play in such high levels. I got like you, man. I learned from the best and I'm glad I had enough ability to understand what they're trying to do because at 19, I think, 19 or 20, we were going to the first adult to the world championship just two of us. 95 you guys, you know, get swept by the devil's, a lot of people thought you'd win that one 96 Colorado gets you the Claude Lemue on Chris Draper hit 97 you guys get over the hump and it included beating Colorado in the western conference final like, what do you remember about what it took to finally beat those guys? And then you ended up sweeping Philadelphia. Was it almost getting by Colorado? All right, we got this now. Oh boy, obviously those dramatic serious still hurts New Jersey still hurts. I thought we had a chance. It didn't happen not much. I understood how this workout never been at that stage of my hockey career. Great experience. But for nothing, I guess play offs a little bit different in my mind at times. Then Colorado that the injury, Chris got, I definitely got us together got us in the same sort of rope and took us a while make sure all the sort of all the pistons, you know, and V12 or V8 engine work together, you know, took us a lot of pain, a lot of work and a lot of understanding what extra step we have to do. We've done pretty much everything we can and still did not get the result. Must be that those experience, how does that help us to get a little bit more mature, not only personally, but as far as the game. And as far as how we should approach some things and definitely that fight, everybody been talking about that fight that we had in the middle of the ice at Jolus Arena. Definitely that fight. Maybe got us mentally over the home. I'm not psychology. So I'm just thinking about one. You sound like one. You sound like one. Yeah. A lot smarter than us brother. Hey, thank you. But Scotty Bowman said you were the only player he ever coached that didn't have a ceiling. One of the things that he did with you is he put you on defense. What length? What were you thinking about? First, what he said, hey, we're going to put you on D. This is my favorite question because you know, I get the chance to brag about myself. How great I am. But the story behind really is Chris Chalmers got injured night before. Where do you have a sore liver? And we had five defensemen. Five. Scotty Coleman office next morning after light warm up, light skate. What do you think? Can you play defense? Chalmers injured. I don't know what to do. Can you play defense? You know how Scotty is? Got a little bit fast and a little bit emotional as far as how he delivered that. I didn't think twice why Scotty I'd be glad to. I know I'm going to get more ice time with three pairs. I know four four lines. My time 16 to 17. If I have PK or BP 18 minutes, three pair of these. That's 23 plus. I'm in. He goes, really? You know that? Yes. No problem. You'll be the judge. See you see what happened. But I'm ready to go. And I got the best partner I ever played with defense. Sorry to say Nick, but Larry Murphy. What a classy and the smartest, smartest, when earth. Wow. That was your D partner. He got boot out of Toronto. And then you guys got him free of charge. I remember that story clear. Yeah. No, that's awesome. So you guys get the two in the two in a row, right? I'm wondering about your third cup because that team, I believe I saw a picture recently nine guys on that team were top 100 players in the history of one HL nine. And yeah, there was a picture together. And one of those guys, we have to ask everyone who played with them, Brett Hull. So he had already won a Stanley cup and then he comes into Detroit. Like, do you remember his, his antics? How he would kind of chirp guys here and there and his goal scoring ability? Like, what do you remember about playing with him? When I saw him in the locker room and got to know him over one week, I knew he's a great guy. He will settle us down. But at the same time, if we get back to the nature of the question, which is what happened to the third run, three in a row? Obviously, our mind was there. Our skills were there. Our poise for the game and go for another run were there. But personally, I can say for myself, my head was running fast on it 10 miles an hour. But my body, I watched some videos. My body was standing still. So what I'm getting at is I think physically, it's a long run man. First two, don't forget, we won two cups. But before that, another three years of running up there, longest season ever. I don't want to be smart as a guy on earth, but I believe every one of us have families, have friends, have girlfriends, wives, kids, newborns and so on and so on. It would be six maybe, I don't know, six long season in the row. So I experienced this in Russia with my Russian team. We had 90 or 80% of team I won with already been in the finals three years in a row. Plus mine too, that's five finals in five years. And we had the great, great team, experienced team, but it would be sixth final in six years. Honestly, we'll ask first round without even saying, we were just mentally dead tired, I think. I think. Yeah, I got fired. I didn't know if you could you realize that we tend to go along with our interviews, because we want, yeah, I mean, there's so much to talk about. You had such an incredible career. So we really appreciate this time and Yanns and I don't know if you guys had any left. I know we've been a little over an hour here. I just have one. Like, you know, when us as kids grown up, like you had the style, you were kind of the first guy with the flashy skates, the long hair, the good looking guy. Like you made hockey cool. Like was that kind of one of those things that you thought of doing when you came over here or it just came naturally to you and, you know, you got hooked up with Nike and it was just kind of, you know, to the moon. Guys, when I came in as a 20 year old, I was just super excited. But then I got warm welcome. I got even more excited. Everything else. It's the, the, the what you mentioned, I just want to clarify that everything else, what you were irrelevant for me. My agent got Nike deal. I don't know. I like long hair. It's one of my beliefs that when I had a long hair, I can score 56. Honestly, I really believe I didn't like short hair when I'm playing this season and play offs, you know. So I guess those things come as a, you know, what's the name in English? Not circumstances, but super, superstitious. Yeah, superstitions. So that's how simply I can put together. I didn't plan to do. I'm not a sort of actor and you know how game in 90s was cut through all games. White skates, I pay for those two, you know, a lot of crushed. Oh yeah. Who were the guys giving it to the most about your Nike skates? You know what? My teammates were very supportive. I, I behaved this way. I came to work. Yeah, everybody sort of read a lot of stuff. What I was done, Ferrari, not Ferrari, blah, blah, blah, but I came to practice. I just worked my ass off. I came to the gym. I worked my ass off. I came to the game. I understand some time it looked easy and some nights, you look at me and I can't even move, but it's not because I don't want to. It's something physically doesn't fire, or connect it. In my mind, every game I played, I wanted to play. So people see how easy that is. But obviously it's not, it's not true. It's not, it's not like that. 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I'm sure it's definitely maybe not that harsh of the word, like bad blood, but I'm sure it's negative emotions. Yeah. I said it from my heart. It is a mistake, huge mistake. But I like to say this when you 20, when you 25, you do only hockey nine months out of the year, fame, comment, you left and right decisions on the ice, they good, they make everybody happy. But that attitude carries our fires into the office life. And those decisions on the ice doesn't help you to make good decisions off the ice and off the ice. I got that much experience. I got honestly say I'm not blaming my agents, but they were stretching it, you know, 10, no, let's go get 11. 11, let's go get 12. Don't worry about we'll do something. It's just a little piece. I don't mind saying that that while you play in, you don't have that much plateau to sit down and think about all the ingredients, what's happened in your life? I didn't say that. I don't want to sort of make excuses. It is what it is. But everything I said in my speeches chewed to the bone. But this, this type of answer, I realized way later, way later in life, after I finished my career and start analyzing what's really happened, how it was. And I talked to Kenny Holland this time around. He told me quite a few things about my representatives. Yeah, not in a bad way, not in a bad way. It's just a working circumstances, negotiations, they, they heart, they heart. And I'm the guy who's supposed to decide it, but you so young, you have zero experience outside of the hockey ring. So maybe that's why it's happened. Well, we, uh, we're all around 40, 42 years old. And, you know, when we're all 12, 13 years old, you were, you were the legend. You were the guy and we've taken a lot of your time. We can't say thank you enough and, um, congrats on everything that Jersey belonged up there. It's now where it should be. And thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you so much. Call me next week. Done. Sir, I got one quick one on the way out. How many speeding tickets did you get in Detroit? You know, well, maybe you could have seen not many, but they were good. You're a beauty, dude. Congratulations on everything. Thank you for being a role model to so many and growing. The game. Yep. Thank you very much, guys. It was fun. Thank you. Let's take a moment here, guys, and talk about draft kings. The draft King Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NHL is built for the fastest game on ice. If you're following the line changes, the momentum swings, the streaks, draft King Sportsbook brings you even closer to the action with player props and live betting every shift, every shot, every save gives you options to get in on the game with draft King Sportsbook teams battling for points, rivalries getting heated. Draft Kings makes every period count every power play matter and new customers bet just $5. And if you're bet wins, you'll get $300 in bonus bets instantly. Download the draft King Sportsbook app and use code chicklets. That's code chicklets turned five bucks into $300 in bonus bets. If your bet wins in partnership with draft Kings, the crown is yours. Thank you so much to Sergey Federer of that was awesome. I didn't know what to expect. He gave us a lot of time. I do think when he said, you know, call me next week, joking, Bizmay, Bizmay called me like, what do you think of the Leafs? That's probably something that he doesn't want to say freely. Like, I don't know if you know, Bizzer, okay? He'll call you next week. But I want to thank the the sandwich family specifically, Ronnie Illich, but we got to know when we had chicklets cupping Detroit years back, I know G's become very friendly with them. Without him, we don't get that interview. Thank you so much, Ronnie. Wait, is there a, you know, any time you speak to somebody played for the red wings, the first thing they say is the Illich family. Like, is there a, is there a better ownership in the game? Like they are kind of the original ones. Now you see owners acting the way that they have for every so unreal. Get G. That's just an amazing interview. And the way they built that new barn there, like if you go to a new building, it's got that, it feels like it's an old school barn just first class. And actually G, G got us inside that box when we were there as well to meet Ronnie as well. So so cool. I mean, just so humble too, you know, for being that good and free Stanley Cubs and all the things that he'd done the game, it's just, uh, credible. Oh, wow. I didn't know what to expect either. I'm blown away. The only thing you wanted to brag about was playing deep. It's like, yeah, I was nasty at D too. That's where you could get the, uh, the, the true, I guess confidence out of Sergei Fedor. I was able to just hop back and play with Larry. Yeah. We know problem. Now I feel terrible because we didn't ask Morales's question. Oh, what was it? Morales is he was wondering what made him think to pull the goalie three on three over. Well, I felt bad because you could tell next week. Yeah. Oh, yeah. True. Oh, okay. That's right. Well, no, he's actually a new co-host dance. Oh, and also I think a couple times like his kids were coming over and he was like, I think I don't know if he knew that was going to be an hour. So he gave him a walk one time. I got scared and it, and it honestly, asking him wouldn't matter because Morales invented pulling the goalie, you know, to show it's like, I think he wanted recognitions what he wanted for Fedor off to say. And now his punishment for defecting, I think that he had to work at the, the kindergarten there at the, the red army. That's why all those kids were yelling. Morales need some humbleness like Fedor off had. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Morales just invented everything. So how are you going to be humble when the world is your oyster? True. After you created the oyster. So, uh, yeah, the defect is scary though. To defecting and all that stuff. That's just, you know, he sounds like a boss. He's like, let's go. And he's like, uh, no, he's like, I'm leaving tomorrow like after dinner. You want to walk me out to the car? Dude, yeah, they had, I mean, he's over there for the good, well, tournament. He's maybe got a suitcase. They probably didn't even have their passports, right? Like the team probably held the passports. Yeah. And I think that when Mogilny left, I'm almost surprised that like a guy like Fedor off, they, they weren't, they didn't tell it like a guard. Like, hey, I know, let him away from your, your site, right? Like it's just such a cool story. And it puts in perspective kind of what I said to him of like, what kids nowadays are given, like not to their own fault, right? It's just different time. But like you think about what those guys did to come over and it puts things in perspective. It's wild. Couple things quick, just to wrap up, uh, Jake, the boss, healthy scratched again in Vancouver. Um, Nick Capriose, you know, said it sounds like, uh, he's made it clear. He wants to be dealt a lot of rumors around the lies, Pederson now. Um, I think the return could be insane for him if they're willing to eat money, but it's like six more years of money would Vancouver be willing to take money and eat some of that for that long in the contract. That seems a little odd, um, for a guy that's still playing. We've seen it happen with all these guys who were done, um, in the contracts that move around, you know, Phoenix used to grab every single guy that was on L.T.I.R. They just take his contract. I don't know what'll happen there, but I still think Peter, Pederson is, is the player we saw before and getting somewhere else we could see it again. Um, brutal news for the Anaheim docs who've been on a long skid Leo call since out. It says four to six weeks. Um, he had to have a procedure Friday in L.A. Uh, it's a, I guess it's a rare degloving injury in which skin and fat become separated from like fascia tissue, leaving a fluid spilled space. I, it's a left thigh injury. I don't know what's going on. I just hope he's able to play in the Olympics, but that's kind of, if you have a procedure done all of a sudden, you'd be coming back right as the game start. I don't know, but I wanted to see him over in Italy for Sweden. We'll see what happens there. I feel like they've just hit the rookie wall. They're, yeah, the young guy wall. Yeah. And that's okay. I don't think many people had playoff expectations this year. They came out guns of blazing and I'm sure the fan base excited about that. And hey, hopefully at this point now, if it's going to end poorly, like, get another top five pick and just keep adding away. Yeah. The bees talking about federals 91 going up to the rafters, Zanano Chara 33 went up, seemed like a crazy atmosphere in there for that game. They ended up getting the win. Gee, were you at that game? I was. Yeah, two Bruins games, Pat's game. Yeah, I did it all. It's too wedding. It's nice living back here, huh? Oh, it's unbelievable. I ran into two guys. I saw a couple of guys. It was, it was awesome. And I know they all had a time as well. So I thought, by the way, I believe his kids are 16s, 2016s, they're, they looked like they were like five nine already. Oh, they're tall than me. They're definitely. Yeah. Oh, they're five. They're turning 10 this year. And, and the way big Z was such a late bloomer, you got to think at some point in the next 10 years, we could be seeing the twin, twin towers out there for some NHL team. Who knows? But I just saw them walking behind them. I'm like, they're not that much shorter than he is. And they're nine. So how about the speech was good? Oh, everything was amazing. I thought, fair instead of great job hosting it. I thought, uh, just bring it out all the former past bees and, and you could see all the, they kept flashing up. I don't know if they're in the patron box or what box they're in, but they kept flashing up there. You'd see Sean Thornton, Adam McQuade, all the boys and you just know they were getting after that. One point, I was in the club section two and people were kind of just like outside their box, just like staring in. And at one point, they had to bring like a big black curtain over. It was like, no, you're not seeing what's going on in here. They're getting after it. So let him be a thing. Question. Who's a better signing in Boston sports? Big Poppy or Zadano Chara? Chara is the best Bruins free agent signing and one of the best free agent signings in hockey history. Yeah. Big Poppy. I think it was, I think he won three world series. Yeah. 86 year curse. Like you end that year. Yeah. It's your current. That's I, I mean, I forever will love both of those guys, but I think big pop. And R.A. had a tweet that was pretty cool. He's mentioned it before the day that he saw a cyber truck. Well, we'll get into that in a second. The day that he saw the news break that the Bruins had spent huge go for Savard and Chara, you know, the Bruins had never really been willing to pay guys and grab free agents. It was like kind of the changing of an error with the Jacobs and them owning the team and it led to a Stanley Cup. It led to the Bruins ever since then. Dude, they pay their guys now, you know, a little bit of a battle for Swamon and stuff, but they they pay their guys and for a long time, it was different Boston. So show no big C and R.A. It just one of the most classic and I feel bad. Nobody wants to get hacked on social media. But this guy for years has just beat on the drum of his hatred for Elon Musk to see the hacker actually post. I had a great, great weekend. I bought a Tesla cyber truck. It's it almost makes me think it was a chicklets listener and then he the tweet. I think he still hacked because the pin is still it's the tweet is still pinned up there. Today, there was another tweet sent out. I brought my truck home. R.A. A man who you who says he would beat Elon in jeopardy. I don't know where that came from. Maybe he would. Maybe he wouldn't. But God damn to hate Elon Musk as much as he does it to have your one Twitter hacking be you buying a cyber truck. That is just I can't wait to hear from him. On Thursday. Well, the thing is is neither like none of us have heard from him. And he got hacked three days ago and he hasn't tweeted since. So he's still hacked. Somebody has his account. You don't think he would call us or are mentioning it or see if maybe someone from Bartholk could get it back. Maybe he has. I mean, could we get a hold of him to somehow? Let me call chance is the answers. I mean, the fact that 1130 is probably sleeping. Oh, he's first sure snoozing right now. He's been celebrating big Z's retirement. Oh, yeah, but he couldn't go. But like you said, he could have a bender in his house. No problem. Brian, I'm not even much. Might even sent you a voicemail there. All right. Did you get hacked? All right. That's going to be the voice mail I left. He's going to get that. He's not going to get a text back in a few hours when he has his morning gel. Get 2 p.m. So, uh, BU play special. BU played the whole Friday. For any people who aren't really aware of Call of Chalky rules, fighting isn't allowed. Well, Blackhawks first round pick at BU Sasha boy there. He came out of the box with a Connor Eddie of UMass Lowell. And it was the first time I've ever seen in Call of Chalky a full blown helmets off square up fight. Great fight to between these two guys. They both were suspended. You kicked out of that game. They got suspended two more games. Kind of crazy to see. But I said to the group key to our friend group. At this point, you got to just go junior NHL rules. Call of Chalky is pro sports. Get the visors on allowed fighting. It's NIL. It's money. Like at this, at this point, the cats out of the bag here. It probably would create even like better ratings and better viewers. 100% and it's going to teach him a very valuable lesson. You run your mouth. There's a chance that you're John's up on the wrong side of your. And not to mention the refs. The refs were fucking getting in the way like something. Well, they do. They wanted to end it, but they got no. I think these guys like what's happening right now? I didn't sign up for this. But I think boy, very he's he's his dad might have owned a boxing gym. Like the kids boxing classes before every practice. When I was at BU doing the tour, I was like, Hey, where's this? Boavera? I'd love to meet him and they're like, dude, he takes boxing every day before practice. It's insane. So I think he's actually going to be even a better NHLer than he is in college. Because he will be fighting, be willing to fight. He hits. He's physically. He's got skills. So, but I mean, just just like seeing two guys square off in a college hockey game. I'd never seen it before. Very entertaining right there. I don't know if Pando loved it because now he's got one of his top guys out the next two games. BU and has the best season for them so far. So not that kid from Woll. I don't know if he's drafted or who he was. Like he was he was a tough kid too. Like you you better believe he's getting invited to a rookie camp now. Cause it's a Victoria. Victoria. He knew exactly. Oh, he's a Canadian kid. Okay. Yeah. Makes more sense. What are you laughing at? They're both. No, he is his chirping. They're both eyes Canadian. No, I'm saying it makes more sense that he knew what he was doing fighting. Cause he probably played junior B or whatever. Keep it nice. You jerk. Sticking with this is breakfast for me sticking with college hockey. Our final thing. Want to show no Penn State next weekend. We will be there. The white out at or they calling it the white out at Beaver Stadium. White out at Beaver Stames. So I got the hoodie. We have another hoodie. We got hats. It looks awesome. I think we've sold out. We got Gavin McKenna T shirt that he's going to get a piece of. So someone of an NIL deal. Hopefully he can make some money with with those t shirts being sold. I'm very excited. Very excited. It's going to be an awesome place. I never never been to the campus at Penn State driven through it on the way to Pittsburgh. But that that well, they sell that stadium out for that game. Oh, yeah. 60,000 seats already sold and we're doing a pink witty. You can greet Friday at champs. Champs. I think it was rated the best college bar in America. It's unbelievable boys. I mean, they've had some of the biggest acts in the country perform there. It's an unbelievable bar. So I think we're going to be there around four o'clock. So before the game that's Friday. January is going to be singing karaoke the whole time. That is the you guys want to stop by. Yeah. Yeah. He'll be singing in an Elon Musk voice too with his cyber truck that he's actually driving to that's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's going to drive his new truck. So that'll be cool. And you know, anytime I'm in a college bar now, it's not ideal. You know, it just makes you feel even older. Oh, I look even older than when I'm with people my age where I also look old. So, but it should be fun and pink Whitney will be flowing. So we will be back. We're going to be together Thursday in New Jersey before we do host the coast. So the episode will be out Friday game notes Wednesday. Thank you again to Sergey Federer of great seeing you guys. Keith glad you had a great trip. Biz. I know you had a little time off. Back on that grind to good luck the next three nights, three days, crushing it on TNT and we'll see you on Thursday. I love you guys. I'm going to keep snacking away here. And we actually got to go ask on for Tuesday's broadcast as well. So a couple, a couple of different names in the mix. So love you guys. Thank you for listening and Cam. It's a, it's a testament that you're still married, my friend. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you all right. Have a great week guys.