NFL Draft Recap: NFC Winners & Losers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 4/30

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Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers back with you, Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Thursday, April 30th. What, what, Mike? It just raised that realization that you're a fair weather fan. I know what his realization is. I know what, yeah. Yeah, baby! It's gonna be me. Also, what, what, go to my camera. What are you talking about? Mike is wearing a different hat today than he normally wears. This is where it'd be me and the champs, you know? Last year's champs, probably this year's champs. You're a big, okay, C-fan. Always have been guys. Well, no, I remember you were a big Warriors fan during those heyday years. Actually, no, no, I know, but. Big Chiefs fan. Yeah, Yankees. You like the Astros a lot during their whole controversy. I know you were a big fan of what they did. Oh man, yeah. And despise trash cans. Yeah, yeah. Welcome into the show. Second half of our draft recap. What are you gonna do, man? Sometimes you gotta, uh, You gotta jump on the train. NFC winners and losers on this show today. But first, we need some sort of, uh, can we get the Mike announcement horn of some sort? Oh, you need the big horn. Yeah. We do have our draft week giveaway winners to announce here on the show. Fun. So anybody that picked up the Ultimate Draft Kit over the weekend or has purchased it since we started pre-orders in February, they were all entered to win a Jamar chase sign Jersey B John Robinson Jersey and a listener league spot, which have been picked out. We also threw out some extra swag to some folks out there. Let's start here. The Jamar chase Jersey goes to who? I just wanted to put, put the producer on the spot. There we go. There was a chance for there's a, there it is. Adam Johnson with the Jamar chase sign Jersey. Congratulations. Oh now see, I have set us up for like multiple. I put in slag. I'll hit you with a drum roll for the listener league. Oh, okay. No, we're committed now. The B John Jersey goes to, Yeah, I knew. Yeah, it's not good. It's not good. William Villa or Via. I don't know where you pronounce it. And then, uh, hey guys, have we, have we messaged the listener league spot winner? Not yet. Oh, do we? So this is maybe there's a reason to matter right now. You, if you haven't heard yet that you're in the league, this might be you right now. All right. If your name is Stephen. Good work, Stephen. Go ahead and pronounce the last name. Jebo. It's Jebo. It's Jebo is Stephen. Give out. Give you. I think Mike actually got it right. I think it's Jebo. Okay. I mean that works. That's, if that's your name or something close to it, we, we look out for an email from Al Borland. We also sent some swag packs out to Cody, James F and Bryce L for some swag packs, lots of giveaways this week. I had somebody email me this morning and they said, I didn't have time to pre-order it. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. When I had a chance, could I buy it today and still be entered? And I said, no, but but because we had already picked the winners because we're honorable men and there's a window, right? Yeah. But I said, if you get it, we do more giveaways and more fun stuff over the entire summer. Also, then you have it. Right. That is also one of the perks is having it once you get it. UltimateDraftKit.com for that. Let's move on to the news. News and notes from around the league. So much for knowing before the draft, huh? The Steelers place the rare ride of first refusal tender on Aaron Rodgers. Never even heard of this tender. It means that he can accept a 10% raise off of last year's salary, which would pay him about 15 million this year from another team. Right. And then they could match it. Yes. That is what a cool thing that he has forced him to do. Yeah. Weird. Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback. Aaron Rodgers is not going to get to that. I don't. I'm where are you at? Give me your odds. Okay. My odds are 95%. I'm like 55, 45. No. I can't imagine Aaron Rodgers. Will Howard. This is Aaron Rodgers' decision. Howard over Aller. So in my opinion, this is just does Aaron Rodgers want to play football or not? And by the time football starts coming around, I think he's going to be like, yeah, I want to play football. So I talked to some of, I've got friends that are lifelong Steelers fans. They've grown up. They're flans. They're flans. All right. Like the gelatin. No, I got it. They grew up, you know, yellow and black. Like they don't want Aaron Rodgers as their quarterback. They think it is a lost season. They would like to see Will Howard or Drew Aller or anybody else. If I was a Steelers fan, 100%, I would not want Aaron Rodgers anywhere near the team. It's not best for your future. It will probably win the most games this season to have Aaron Rodgers there. Not best for you. Remember when Hakim Alajuan was on the Toronto Raptors, Jason? Nope. What? Yeah, he was. Really? Hakim Alajuan played for the Raptors. This is the dream, the Canadian dream? The Canadian dream shake up there in the great white North. It's a fact, but you know what? We're not going to remember Aaron Rodgers, the Steelers. No, the Steelers. We're going to remember the Packer and he had amazing years and will be a Hall of Famer. But can we, can we, he's doing, it's weird to be, we're done with this. We've already done the breath, barf thing. It's just funny. The amount of time. Can't wait for Jordan Love to do this. Oh yeah. I guess that's inevitable. And if all networks, you can wrap up reporting, wrap up a porting, as I like to say that Broncos quarterback bonics underwent a successful and anticipated follow up cleanup procedure on his ankle. Well, he had the injury that forced us into not getting to watch him in the title game. Right? I'm just laughing at the anticipated part. They're like, it was successful. It was anticipated. Oh, yeah, you got to do that. We were going to do this. We didn't accidentally have surgery. Like we, we knew we were going to do it. He didn't slip on a banana peel and fall on a gurney. The Scappals in my ankle. Quick. One of the most anticipated surgeries in history. This one. Free agent wide receiver, John Jennings visited the Minnesota Vikings on Wednesday. Still a free agent Jennings has spent at least three off seasons begging to be worth more. And deserving to be worth more. I think at one point, yes, but I don't feel that way. Like Jennings is a solid receiver. Sure. I think he has a lot to offer a team, but you want him to, you want him to bring it to Minnesota? I, as the wide receiver three, he would be very helpful. Lions exercise. Jameer Gibbs 50 or option for 20, 27. Shocking. That one makes sense. And also Quinton, Johnston, man, huge. What a roller coaster that's been. Look at us. Look at who ever thought we would be here together. We are in the middle of doing our team by team player by player stat analysis, you know, projecting every single player that goes into the UDK. So we are looking closely at these teams. I saw Jason, he tweeted a disparaging remark about the dolphins after looking at them in the UDK. Well, it was cause I had to, I had to stat their wide receivers. Right. No, that's not a pleasant experience. But I look at the chargers and I see this team desperately needing Quinton, Johnston. It's like you look at what they have. They desperately need him. They desperately need him. So 50 your option makes sense to me. Jonathan Brooks. Yes. Jonathan Brooks said he's been fully cleared to participate in Carolina's off season program and feels close to 100%. Taurus ACL out of Texas, retort in 2024. Really sad story. I mean, this was the highest drafted running back of that class. Right. Yes, he was. Have you ahead of Trey Benson? Yeah. I mean, Andy, have you been tweaking any Carolina projections yet? Not with Jonathan Brooks. I mean, I have gotten into Carolina. Yes. Okay. I just wondered if how you were handling Chuba versus Johnny Brooks. Cause like I haven't got to them yet, but it's like in just, you know, the, the vibes and thinking through the situation, Chuba feels like he will go back to what he was two years ago, which was a massive steal. Cause I just like the, the making the bet on Brooks feels so difficult. It's really tough when you come back from an ACL and then have an immediate, you know, ACL rupture again. And now he's coming back and you'd hope that this quote is like, I'm, I'm a hundred percent. And he's still like, I'm close to a hundred percent, which is not great. I've done the Panthers. I had Chuba down for 230 carries to Brooks's 72. Oh, okay. He had Chuba at 230. I have him at 205 right now, but I also spread the ball to A.J. Dillon's on that roster now, Trevor ETN, rookie last year had 20 opportunities. He could get more this year. And Jonathan Brooks, it's really hard to expect much from him, but it would be nice to see him on the field. I think. Yeah. I mean, this, I, this is one of the, like think about this. We're doing rookie drafts all over the place right now around the office. We're doing real rookie drafts. And you get all over the place. You get to these places in the corner of the bathroom over the world in the, the middle of the second where it just, the floor drops out and you're just guessing the second. I was being, I was being late for the first. Yes. At about 112 where I was picking, but what pick would you say, you know what? I would rather take a shot on Jonathan Brooks. If I could basically draft him here, this version, okay. Trade what pick right now in your rookie picks to go acquire Jonathan Brooks. I don't think he would go ahead of Adam Randall or, or Mike Washington. He would for me. Okay. I would, I'd be willing to the second. Like I'll, I'll do a second rounder for Jonathan. So you would go make that trade. It's super, it's real volatile of, of can Jonathan Brooks ever come back? This is just because of draft capital and talent. Yeah. And age. He's still very young. I mean, he's, I think he's younger than some of these running backs. You'll be drafting as a rookie this year and held it are his knees. 72. Um, I don't think we have any other news. So, uh, let's just jump right in. We got the entire NFC to get through today. It's time. Hey rookie, welcome to the NFL. Hey, turns out the Cardinals play in the NFC and we're starting with the NFC West, which means our three and 14 Cardinals are the first team we'll get to talk about. We shared a lot of information on our opinions of the Jeremiah love pick, um, on the last episode. I know it was the AFC, but so many big storylines were out of the NFC and we are the Cardinals fans. So we kind of launched the show. If you want more details, I don't think we'll rehash the contract situation and all that. Well, just suffice to say the Cardinals are so freaking stupid. And I just, I just recap. Oh, much different. Just their recap is more the details. The details are on the last episode. Cap goes on the top. The Cardinals drafted the player projected to be the number one rookie pick and them drafting him didn't change that. Correct. Jeremiah love is still the number one pick. I think in the majority of, I, I would not mind if somebody wanted to take carnal take. It's not happening where I'm watching drafts, but, but I love, I don't think that that is historically you look back at rookie drafts and how stupid we are half the time. I don't think that that is, if you're a team that's completely flush at running back, I don't think Tate is a bad pick. Right. And like, I don't know what just nasty bad karma Tyler Algier has. Let's, let's say that he for him gets drafted by the Falcons. Oh, Tyler, day three pick breaks their record. They're rookie record for rushing over a thousand. They were like, yeah, but we got a chance to get Bijon. Oh, what is the lights doing? Oh, and, and you're like, Oh, well, that sucks. Man, I get it though. It's Bijon. Don't worry. This will never happen to you. One day I'll be a real boy gets paid to be a starter. We get reports that Algiers like, yo, what the heck, man? I was brought here to be the starter. And then the car was like, no, because we can get Jeremiah love. So I Algiers the biggest loser. It sucks. I feel bad for that guy because I think he really deserved his chance. And for, for a fancy Algier will he'll do some of the stuff that needed to be John and like the steel touchdowns Arizona Cardinals because he's good. The Arizona Cardinals could have had no question that whether or not they would be able to draft Jeremiah. I love it. Three. There's no, the jets aren't doing that with Breeze Hall who they've got on franchise and Mendoza's one. So it's like, this is not like, oh, you couldn't see this coming before you signed Tyler Algiers. That is a very common point. That's cause they didn't really have this plan. Well, someone started early. They didn't get what they wanted because nobody bent because nobody else wants to draft a running back at three. All right. Yeah. But from a fantasy perspective, I think you're and Connor, both massive losers. Jeremiah love will be the bell cow. You don't draft a running back at three and not let him do that. Algiers could steal some touchdowns like you said, but I think love will have 200 plus opportunities. Agreed. I would say rookie year. Jeremiah love is going to be a disappointment. I believe fantasy wise, where he's drafted, he'll be a slight disappointment. It is not a bad landing spot destination going forward. They don't have as bad an offensive line as like the Raiders with Jensen. Are you thinking a gentile level disappointment? Yeah, very similar. I mean, Gentile was the running back 12 last year, but still was definitely a disappointment. He was not a good bit. I think so. I mean, right now I expect Jeremiah love to end up in my rankings at like running back 15. Okay. Like a running back to 12. Yeah. I know we don't like the team and we don't think they'll win, but the truth about Arizona is that their offense was very good, which a couple of percent like statistically, you look at it, they were very good. They were ninth. They were ninth in total office. In totality, yes, their actual EPA and everything like that was really, really bad. Look at that offense. They have every piece you could want to dominate. Well, Harrison and Wilson, Wilson who went crazy last night. They have the best height in the league in McBride. They have now a number of three overall pick the highest paid running back in the league. They have a lot of weapons on that team. It's just wild to me that it's like they just need to figure out the play call or the, the, the, the passer. They also did not in any way shape or form this off season address their defense at all. Which is great for fantasy. It's great for fantasy. They didn't do it in the free agent market. They really didn't even do it in the draft. I mean, they went, Jeremiah love, then a guard, then Carson Beck. And so this is still going to be a team that is going, if you want to win a game, you're going to have to score 30. They have a play caller that people believe in and trust in. You saw the difference in the offensive play of Jacksonville last year. Jacksonville was a bottom dwelling team. Yeah, this isn't, I don't think this is a bad landing spot for Jeremiah love. My issue and the reason why I say in redraft year one, it'll be disappointing. I do think that the James Conner and Tyler Algier combo will be involved. They will get goal line. They will get receptions. That would be great for Conner for Conner. He should be trading for the team. And Andy, just to point it out even further, 2024, the Arizona Cardinals had 42 total touchdowns last year. They only had 40. Like this was a team that was getting destroyed. So they couldn't run. So they were throwing it all. There were four string running. So they, I mean, they were very successful in giving us fantasy points and getting yards and things like that. But as an like a truly effective offense, I don't think they, they were, and there's a good chance at the end of the season. We're going to see rookie Carson Beck third round or running this offense, which will not be good for fans. So multiple things here. I, I hated that pick. And like as someone who you're like, yeah, I've said, I don't want to be a fan of the Cardinals. I'm not really, it's just like, try to pull me back in. I think this is just a, this is a waste of a pick because the highest odds are next year you're very high up in the draft. You won't know this Carson Beck have it because when you, by the time you put them in, it will just be like towards the end of the year and you're playing against other teams who are just people are giving up. So I hated the pick. I also hate that you like, if you're in a super flex rookie draft, you have to think about it because you're like, Hey, what if, what if we're all, what if I'm wrong? What if the NFL is wrong and not taking Carson Beck higher and he's good. There's a hive of people who believe he is. And because the situation is solid three or four in super flex quarterback rankings because you're going to have Simpson. You're going to have Mendoza. Should he be two? I will get to the Rams, but I don't think so. I would not take because Ty Simpson is an injury away or years away. I think two years at minimum and it's like Carson Beck should at least try to play. He's getting snaps this here unless something changed with the depth chart. I think Arizona will play Jacobi and they'll play men's shoe before they play back, but well, they're draft to sum up the entirety of their draft in their off season. The Cardinals are the highest odds for Vegas to get the number one pick next year. So they're not expected to do good things. It's amazing when like you took your shot at Miami, who by the way, they weren't a good team. You took your shot at them on Twitter and everybody attacks you like you think the Cardinals will be better than them. We are not appealing to, there is zero pride left on that front. I think you were just sharing your opinion, especially through the fantasy lands. Yeah, it was genuinely just for fantasy. Of Miami. And so look, Miami is the second highest odds for their one pick. So there are a bunch of bad teams will talk about them. San Francisco 12 and five, they go, well, they didn't have a first. So they spent their second round pick on not Denzel Boston, who was sitting there, right? They could have. But Dizon, Stribbling. And they would have taken him with their first round pick. They said that, but they traded back into the second. We'll take them. We'll take them earlier and you could even believe which they still did. They still took care. They traded number one. And then they drafted him higher than anyone would have believed. Dizon Stribbling is a really fascinating guy for dynasty leagues. I'm watching him go in the third round of rookie drafts. He went third round of ours. Yeah. I mean, the 302. That's in that's unacceptable. Second round running back. I get that the, you know, we, we dunked on the 49ers. They have a history of failing with their day two skill position picks. That's just an objective fact over the last several years. However, this is a player that they basically were ready to take in the first round. They did take him very high, super high draft capital and offense. That's good. And because the draft community and the big board community was not really up on Stribbling, like maybe we should have been because we weren't earlier. We aren't now. And that's a mistake. No, I stand by that position. You stand by that, that he is not good enough to be when the 49ers have reached for players. They don't work out on the field. And so they reach for a player that nobody has a consensus belief in and they take them early and we're supposed to believe in them. I am not going to go to that place. I don't see the depth chart showing me that. Let me tell you a story. I mean, they have peer, Jaylin Polk. Sure. Second round. I just don't believe the Patriots who lasted about five seconds. Yeah, I just don't believe this is a team that wants to win a Super Bowl. I don't see this rookie in the second round that he's on in the fourth round contributing more than a handful of catches on the year. They have pierce all Evans Kirk. I have a different opinion than you on that one. It's just simply the, the one of the greatest signals for success as much as other teams sure from only other teams. Yes. Is draft capital. And that is pretty much if you were to, if you were to do all your rookie drafts with nothing but draft capital, you just take whoever was taken highest and you're going to do all right. It's kind of like auto drafting in a, with your ADP and your fantasy football league. That sucks. That's what you believed in golden all last year. It's why I took him and that's not going to work sometimes. But a lot of things don't work. I mean, you're just trying to make the, the bets that are 60% odds and usually higher draft picks perform. All right. Now do Klan black. I say, I'm with you, Jason. If I'm in the third round of my rookie draft, I'll take stripling there, but I'm more an Andy side of like there's, there's guys drafted after him that I prefer to take the shot on and Klan black third round running back from the San Francisco 49ers. We're here yet again for, I don't know how many years in a row and prepared to be fooled by it. I had the two 12. I have Christian McCaffrey in our dynasty league. I took Klan black. I took him over stripling because like I'm going to take a chance that I have the 49ers insurance running back. I know that will not be correct. No, I don't need James this year. It could be maybe it's correct. I mean, they go through four a year. So yeah, I picked him up. I'm 24 and a half years old prepared for it to be wrong. Klan black is so bizarre. He was not invited to the combine, not invited to the combine. And yet what do we got? 10, 10, 10 teams. He did a top 30 visit for I want that agent. Yeah. I mean, doing good work. So I, the San Francisco 49ers have drafted over the last five years, trace sermon in the third round, Elijah Mitchell in the sixth, that one worked. Tyrion Davis price in the third, Isaac Garindo in the fourth. And now Jordan James was the fifth round pick last year. Now Klan black in the third, who was Elijah Mitchell worked, but he wasn't above 80 at like expectation. Correct. He was a six round steal. No, I mean, when you look at reaches, but both of these offensive players this year were massive reaches over where they were expected to go in the draft. They, they could have gone probably rounds later. Kyle, who was the, who was the one of the OGs? It was the, where we got all the reports. Kyle Shanahan is, is pounding the table for somebody that they want to draft this running back. And then they got drafted and we never heard from him again. I mean, Tyrion Davis price was one of them, for sure. Yeah, there was been a lot. I don't believe anything. They'll be a good team, but they're the one thing about San Francisco is that they, while they draft players in the wrong spots and miss on them, they also have no, it's ironic, because you're saying, look, the statistics say your draft capital associates with success, which it does broadly, not nuance necessarily, but broadly, it's a hundred percent fact, Joe Williams, but they don't give a crap about where the player has been drafted. They can draft Trace Sermon in the third. And if Elijah Mitchell has two better practices, that's their loyalty. All of that. That is legitimately true with the San Francisco 49ers. That is a point that can't be argued against. I mean, look at, look at Brock Purdy. He was Mr. Irrelevant, the last pick in the draft. They're like, you're the better player. You're, you're up. And so if these guys are better, you, they'll play that. That's where it's ironic because I, I have that same opinion, but more on the Katelyn Black side, because I just don't think Katelyn Black is a good running back at all. He was productive. I don't, was he the best running back on his, no, he wasn't the more productive of the two, but he was and he's athletic. Joe Williams, man. I remember Joe Williams. Fourth round of Shani's first draft. All right, we're taking a break. We're talking Rams. Imagine if today was the day your idea changed someone's life. Imagine if you could help someone pay for university, help your community build a new playground or help a child make it to that dream competition with GoFundMe. It's all possible. GoFundMe is the world's number one fundraising platform trusted by over 200 million people. Every week, ordinary people meet their goals and do extraordinary things. Your ideas matter. GoFundMe isn't just for emergencies. 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Ty Simpson goes 13 overall to a team that was a eyelash from the Super Bowl. Shocking to me when like Mackay Lemons there to be taken. When you talk about they might trade or get rid of Devonte Adams this offseason. I couldn't believe like we all we all pick Mackay Lemmon to the Rams. None of us picked Ty Simpson at 13 to the Rams. He hadn't even spoken to Sean McVay before. So that is actually not true. There was a report of a secret meeting. So here's what the way the way that this has gone down. I would say too has been a roller coaster. What happened was the first press conference you had Sean McVay just looking like his dog died. Very unhappy. Short answered not like you've ever seen him before. The next day he comes out to the press conference jokes around brings it up right off the bat about why he was upset. What was happening. And he basically said the truth is that was out of respect for Matthew Stafford. He did not want to go out there and and sit down and look overjoyed about the future. This is Stafford's team. He wants to project it that way. And then it came out. You know they were talking about oh they had never even met. Sean McVay just really they don't ever meet with who they draft pick. Then Ty Simpson had an interview where he's talking about he was told from the Rams a lot about this. He was given a script of what like how to behave and what to say and what to not say. Oh I didn't read that. And then like he had to keep everything under wraps about any of their meetings. They had the secret meetings with McVay. So this was this was at first I thought this was a very GM overhead coach situation. I don't believe that to be the case anymore. I think they were in sync and they're looking at the future of this franchise. They don't usually have a pick. I mean they don't usually have a pick in the first round anyways but let alone at the 13 spot they're usually and project to have a very low first round pick. So if you have any chance to help your franchise in the future that is I mean you're on the edge. I can understand the argument of taking that and then you go well what about the prospect. Is Tyson good. Well let me tell you this is a fact. If Tyson went to the Arizona Cardinals he would not develop correct. He would not become a good NFL quarterback. If Tyson gets to sit for two years behind Matthew Stafford and get trained by Sean McVay I'll bet I'll bet he ends up being a pretty good quarterback. That's my opinion. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of that. I think that's all true. I think it's a shocking pick when your team is it was on the edge of success. I also think it's a little bit funny when it's like oh you never get a pick at 13. So now that we're at 13 we're going to take a guy that wouldn't have gone until the end of the round. We're going to take him at 13 because we have that pick. That part shocked me too. I don't think you know maybe Arizona was very vocal about trading up to 25 and you had to do it. Yeah. But there's every chance for him to succeed. We don't know when that will be. It might be a couple of years away. It doesn't do any good to debate how you know predicated it is. He's a Ram. That's what he is now. He I took him in the second round of our dynasty draft because I am building for 2028 and I'm like I'm going to take a shot at a quarterback that could be the starter on the Rams with McVay in two years. I don't blame especially the build of your team going with him you know a little bit earlier than I think he'll go in most single quarterback drafts. I really like the pick and is the Aaron Rodgers stuff we just read at the top of this show where the team is being held ransom by an old busted quarterback is they know the time of Stafford is coming to an end sooner than later. Be prepared for it. This is to me it's like this is nothing like Kirk Cousins getting the bag of money and then them drafting Michael Penix. This is a it's nothing. This is more like the Jordan Love move. This is where yeah that that did piss off Aaron Rodgers but look where the Green Bay Packers are now because of that. Okay but here's the counter argument to that and I think we're saying this is a bad draft. This is a very similar situation to what happened with Jordan Love Aaron Rodgers. You had you literally have the MVP this year in Matthew Stafford. You're close to a championship right. Yeah. If you rewind the tape to 2020 we can say well Jordan Love was a good pick that would help their franchise. They're good but maybe they win the maybe they win the 2020 they were in the championship game and they were a hair away from winning that and they they passed on T Higgins in that draft to get Jordan Love. You telling me that maybe you don't win that if you ended up with T Higgins like my lemon and you do you still have to like I know McVay he's not going to be a he's not necessarily going to be a miracle worker for everybody on at quarterback like what's the ceiling for Ty Simpson in reality is this pick going to look more like the Michael Pinnick's pick or is it going to look or or or Kenny Pickett or somebody in the first round that just didn't develop or is it going to be the future of your franchise. That's where I think people debated whether Simpson was worth if everybody believed in Simpson he would have gone in the top five. Right. So that's that's where it's going to be interesting from a fantasy perspective. I bet they all believe in Ty Simpson now. Yeah. All those teams that like the card is wait McVay you like him that much. Oh crap. Fantasy losers of this draft is that is the insanely deep and now probably useless tight end room that has Colby Park and soon to scored five times last year. Tyler Higby who came back from injury Terrence Ferguson who they drafted and you know believe in Davis Allen his flash. Now they drag draft Max Claire in the second round. They live for tight end and he's a good tight end Max Claire is like a good tight end. Bats is very excited for was at least very excited for him. What a terrible landing spot. Good for the Rams a good pick a good player but I don't know how they're going to use all five of these tight ends like there are there's Tyler there's Tyler Higby retirement rumors floating around. So I mean like maybe not this year and then is what's the contract situation for like Colby Park. Park just got a big contract to you. I mean I felt like he was on the Kyle is he on the last year. But like the I think I think maybe they're the yes. So Colby and Allen are free agents in twenty seven there for this year. This is there because this is their new way of doing the offense. So they want to make sure that they're stocked for this year. I think that you just have to avoid all tight ends there. Yes. I think that's they didn't do anything wide receiver. So if you don't talk about fantasy winners there you go. Devonte Adams is still on this roster and he'll catch a bunch of touchdowns Seattle. They did it. They did the first round pick on Jadarian price. Wild as expected. Jardian's in the first day. Yes. He was a very popular pick to their Andy you you believe that they would do it. I say wild of a first round pick on a running bag with that level of production is that that level of production has not. I mean that's that's crazy. One thing I'll say is that unanimously from pretty much the jump until the day of the draft it was pretty unanimous that price was the number two prospect in this entire in the mottra world. Yes. Well not just in our world but in the NFL world like there wasn't a move for Emmett Johnson or Jonah Coleman to pass him. It was pretty unanimous from people's perspectives that price was the second best talent. I think that's what pushed him not not that he was the second best but the gap between him and everyone else is what pushed him up into the first whereas like if we don't get him we don't see a player that can come in and be in a really important role for our team. Yeah. After Jonah Coleman. Yeah you and me you and me agree. However for fantasy purposes this is an incredibly important pick. This the Seahawks. Charbonne is not going to be ready week one. Charbonne will most likely be starting on the pop. It might be the end of the year before he's I projected him for eight games played. Yeah. So you're talking about a team that wants to run the ball that's successful literally Super Bowl champions coming in and so that's what you got to do. It's a great he is great. He is going to get the rock a lot and he doesn't even have to succeed in order to get the rock more and more and more. We saw that with Charbonne. They just they will do they'll say we are committed to handing this ball off. Yeah. I mean Charbonne is a fantasy loser from the draft with price being drafted there. Emmanuel Wilson the free Asian acquisition a loser in the draft. You know Jadarian Price is a winner. You know the fantasy community that needs a relevant rookie to step up to the plate. If you draft him you're going to get snaps and that's pretty much what you can say about that. Big winner here Eli Lilly Jardian's in the first. I think the comp to Josh Jacobs is perfect for what we saw limited Josh Jacobs. I mean he was the last one that has had under 700 receiving or rushing yards in a final season and then get drafted that high. I think that comps perfect. I think price is a great running back. I think he'll succeed there especially because of how you know he's going into such a perfect situation. It's kind of the opposite of what Jeremiah Love has to do where I feel like love has to carry a lot of the responsibility for that offense now in Arizona. And I think price just gets to go do his thing. He's got other players that can come in. They won't have Charbonne right away but George Elani will be getting snaps. At least Jacobs had a receiving profile though. Oh I know there's no there's no receiving profile here at all. I think what five catches or something but price. I mean jumped and I think he's pretty locked in at the one oh five in your rookie drafts. Yeah for sure. Like because concepts you know went to the Browns you're like and it's going to you would have to project is going to take a little bit of time even if Casey does pan out to be a good player. I would not take him one oh five. The New York Giants did not end up spending the early picks that I had thought they would spend on offense with a Jordan Tyson or a Jeremiah Love who never felt to them. Instead they went defense and offensive tackle cornerback in the second and their one offensive splash was Malachi Fields in the third round. Who is a monster of a man. I hate this. You hate the pick. I hate it because this was the spot that I was that I was using all of my willpower to get one of the bigger wide receivers as in like the higher end guys. And it's like Malachi Fields is he's big physically. I mean you know it's it's not that he's a bad player. It's just things didn't go nearly as well as he had hoped this year. He had kind of you know his draft stock fell and but I will be interested in a Giants wide receiver. Malachi Fields finds a great landing spot here being with Jackson Dart and really it's Malik neighbors and a bunch of Jags. I mean they they don't like Darius Slayton at all. They like to have them there as a pass. And so they did add Darnell Mooney in the offseason. Don't forget that as well. Yeah. Fields is a prospect that I was ready to be out on. That's see that's what I mean before the draft. I was ready to be out on him. I am fine taking a shot now with this landing spot. Camp Scataboo big winner of the draft. Oh yes. Yes. Yes. Oh the people the people are through the people love it. It's a big deal. And I'm going to I'm going to go out and just say Malik neighbors is a winner of the draft because what I didn't my biggest fear this offseason with neighbors was the combination of a high profile exciting wide receiver landing and him missing a few games. And again his time with Jackson Dart is non-existent which means that if he misses a few games and Jordan Tyson becomes the call the dude for Jackson Dart it's great for Dart. It's not great for neighbors managers. And that would have worried me a little bit neighbors. If anything you look at the offseason you say well you subtract Wanda Robinson's billion targets and you replace it with Mooney and Malik I fields. It seems like the targets will be just fine for Malik neighbors. But man. Just imagine them. We almost have the world guys the Giants Malik neighbors and Jordan Tyson. I think you're saying this from the perspective of Jackson Jackson Dart. But I actually think that oh it would have been nasty. I think that the offensive tackle is as big a help for not going to take up wide receiver. Yeah. Dart is a winner here because I agree. They did add a wide receiver on day two and got an offensive tackle. I like what they did. The commanders. Maui Noah. You talking about the tackle. Yeah. Yeah. No I like for what it's worth broadly. I like what the Giants did in the draft. I think it was a good draft. Washington they spent a third round pick on Antonio Williams again. Washington was rumored to be in the running back game and to be which they did. They got a probably a steal on K Tron Allen in the sixth round. You mean like K Tron Allen is going to steal their money. How do you. How do you mean because he's not that good. Oh you don't like him. No. Oh I got you. Yeah. There was a shot at him. Yeah. Yeah. That was an insult. Right. Where did Nick. Drafted running. Where did Singleton go. Fifth round. Yeah. He went ahead. K Tron Allen. Antonio Williams wide receiver in the third round. Again Washington was one of those teams we thought maybe we'd use number seven overall to go after. They could have taken Jordan Tyson. Right. It tells me a little bit about their plans maybe with Brandon I you that they did not prioritize another big name because if you put sure if you put Brandon I you with Terry McLaurin with Chica Conqua with Antonio Williams with Ben Senate. I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. You got it. So Antonio Williams. I mean I am. Did you. He worked. Ben Senate into that. He did. This draft. I mean we are talking about the commanders third year breakout. Traylon Burks too man. You're guy Jay. Oh yeah dude. I mean AJ Brown who I think this is a great landing spot for Antonio Williams. He's he's shot up my dynasty rankings. The GM has come out and talked so much about why they like Antonio Williams targeting Antonio Williams. The opportunity that he finds himself in is great. I mean if Brandon I you shows up that will nerf it a little bit. But as of now he has a real opportunity to be the wide receiver to for a good offense. That's hard to find yourself in that situation. You expect Jane Daniels to be good. Terry McLaurin is the one and they really need someone else to step up. So Antonio Williams right now. I mean he he is my number 12 ranked rookie. So he's a he is the back of the first round for me. Caitrion Allen will have an opportunity whether you like him or not. This backfield did not add other pieces. Please refer to Caitrion by his chosen name. Fat man. Well that's right. That's right. You don't know about this one. This one's real. That's not a joke. That's a pretty bad insult. That one is no no no no. It's not a joke. It's not it's not our nickname. Oh I will call him that. Yeah. If you would like Fat man. We honor and we honor and respect these players. Travis H. and Jr. Rumble. I Rumble. I am Fat man and Fat man. Oh this I like him more. What a what a gift. Caitrion his mama calls him Fat man. It does make me like him more. Yeah. Fat man Allen mama calls him Fat man. That's where Bill Krosky and Fat man in that backfield and crawled. No. No. Welcome to 2026. I forgot. I just was excited on the names. I know you just got to be faithful. There you go. To Corey Krosky married as a winner by the way. Yes. Because you did not. You did not end up with the Jeremiah Love situation. I thought maybe JCM's window is completely shut. It was possible and it seems like they're willing to have him in a committee with Rashad White. I can't wait for Rashad White to be the clear leading back again and be good for fantasy. Everyone hates one major problem there. He's easy for a shot. But yeah. He's not good at running. It might. It just so people are aware. Antonio Williams did run 93 percent of his routes from the slot last year so that you know you might have a Jaden Reed yeah. I mean Trail and Berks I think they gave him money right and he's going to come out Jalen Lane still on the roster. Van Jefferson I think is still on the roster. Can't cut that guy. They did say goodbye to Debo though right. So Debo is gone. Debo have and nobody even knows if he's anywhere. Yeah. He I haven't heard a P.P. is technically a free agent. I heard it too. What sounds like I haven't heard a P.P. P.P. What are you the road runner. Yeah that's it. Dallas. Where did you hear P.P. P.P. They have Mike. Oh you had a bunch of children. Can't find Debo's P.P. Anywhere. No that's not what anyone said. Thank you. Oh thank you that wall. Look at that magic Mike wall. Nobody came close to saying that. Well one of us did one of us said it. You did. So so there you go. Take a lap. Take a lap Jason. The Dallas Cowboys Dallas Cowboys. They did put them on the wall and we're done. Yeah I mean they went defense in this draft. The news which is bad news for fantasy. You want to see who's a fantasy loser. We are. Yeah because Caleb Downs is awesome. Oh I love him and he's going to make an Alakai Lawrence a big difference on this defense. The the only offensive stuff in this draft was really the news as to whether or not CD lamb or I'm sorry George Pickens was going to sign his franchise. We did sign he didn't. We talked about it last episode. He could end up holding out into the season. More optimism when you didn't like Mackay Lemon went in the first round to Philadelphia. That made you say well there's a plan there. There wasn't a plan in these draft picks to replace George Pickens. I'll tell you that. That is absolutely true and Mackay Lemon could never have gone there to the Eagles their division mate if the Cowboys had moved down given them that pick speaking of the Eagles to be you know multiple years ago you had yeah the Monte Adams no CD lamb. They drafted CD lamb when they didn't like when they were on the clock we weren't because this was still Cooper was still like the good version of Dallas. Amari Cooper. Yeah we didn't think they would take city lamb and they just they said this is the best guy on our board. But I had to so I I would believe that if they thought that highly of Mackay Lemon they would have just taken him. Yeah they could have they could have made the statement to George right there and they didn't Philadelphia did take Mackay Lemon with the 20th overall picks stealing him from the clutches of the Pittsburgh Steelers and good for you Mackay. You don't have to go. Will Howard drew all our Aaron Rogers this thing. The first two picks offensive weapons Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers both values both could make instant impacts although I would imagine those of you drafting Stowers in Dynasty Leagues will have to wait a year to get major production. Dallas got it was brought back and was very productive in this offense. I'd be shocked if they would just hand the reins to Stowers. But here we go. We got we got some actual weapons for a team that may lose AJ Brown soon. I mean that's what the signal here was they are losing AJ Brown like that's what it said they trade up to get a wide receiver in the first round after all of the I don't even know if it's rumor. So it's just reported that on June 1st there's a trade that's going to happen with the with the Patriots TBD. But when you then go and grab Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers it's like oh yeah we see you are working on your offense post AJ Brown. It's strange because I mean maybe this will be a minority opinion. I don't think you're a better offense with Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers than you are with AJ Brown this year. So I think that that'll be an interesting way when we're projecting Philadelphia for the fantasy output of Jalen Hurts in this offense which struggled tremendously last year was not a high pass following offense. I think there will be a little bit of a transition period. Mackay Lemon is certainly not built the same way that AJ Brown is or to serve the same role. Stowers is a monster. We all love him. Dante Van Wicks had a two week window of being kind of important that that is gone in Philadelphia. It's a hard benefits from at least adding more weapons because if you just took AJ Brown away we'd be very scared about this. Yeah this is very good for Jalen Hurts and for Dynasty version of Jalen Hurts as well because Mackay Lemon Eli Stowers rookies they will get better and I think that those two are great players. So smart franchises draft great players. All right we're going to take another break and jump into the N. S. E. North. Imagine if today was the day your idea changed someone's life. Imagine if you could help someone pay for university. Help your community build a new playground or help a child make it to that dream competition. With GoFundMe it's all possible. GoFundMe is the world's number one fundraising platform trusted by over 200 million people. Every week ordinary people meet their goals and do extraordinary things. Your ideas matter. 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I think that means they feel really comfortable with Amun Ra, Jamieson Williams and Isaac Tislaw and agreed and we're moving on. Yeah they did get a tackle with their first pick which is him. Whoa that one scared me. Yeah because you're not the one pushing the button for more. It was also like yeah it's terrible. Awful. Seconds after I said to Slaw. Yeah I was giving you time to do the right thing. Oh that was but yeah they have. I got scared too Mike. I got places on me that are tight that should be tight. Speaking of D-bow. Yeah anyways their offensive line has gotten worse from the incredible offensive line of the last you know of couple years ago but first round pick on a tackle is good. Minnesota. Minnesota did not end up drafting a running back where we thought they might in fact they had back to back picks where we were almost certain that Jonah Coleman would be a Minnesota Viking. They brought out five top 30 visits for running backs and and usually. Nope more. Nope. No what. Oh no I sing nope to each one. Oh I thought I was saying something. Nope. No. Nope. No. Yeah I got it right. Yeah there you go but usually that's like an 80% clip to take a running back well before they did. They wait until the sixth round and they got yeah Clay born there. So yeah Aaron Jones Jordan Mason fantasy winners moving on Green Bay moving on. Now Green Bay I mean it was cornerback defensive tackle defensive in center cornerback you know again pretty good endorsement of Matthew Golden and Christian Watson on this offense. You didn't spin anything on any more wide receivers yet you lost Wicks and Dobbs. Yeah I mean it's great news for the existing wide receiver core and an opportunity for Matthew Golden to prove that he is who they wanted him to be. And for Christian Watson to finally like be a one in this offense and for you know March on Lloyd to step up and be a like relevant committee back no more Emmanuel Wilson and they didn't draft the running back so Green Bay Josh Jacobs and who you have on the roster you were the winners there the Chicago Bears dot dot dot yeah not a ton I mean there there were you know Deandre Swift and Manangai are the guys at running back they did not get a running back drafted that was the story I mean this wasn't a deep running back draft class anyway so you kind of felt like they were safer but early in the off season it felt like Swift was going to get cut and wasn't even going to be a part of this team and now I'm like Swift is going to be exactly what he has always been a solid RB two for fantasy for sure. Well we can talk about this one the New Orleans Saints 6-11 last year with the 8th overall pick Jason called this one on his predictions Jordan Tyson of the Arizona State Sun Devils heads to New Orleans to join Crystal Lavey to join Tyler Schuck what do we think about I mean Tyson was my number one wide receiver in this draft class he remains my number one. Yeah same. What's funny is I don't know if he remains my number one anymore. You like tape. I like tape more at this point. All right. My rookie rankings have stayed higher but Tyson is a great landing spot great upside provided for Tyler Schuck but you know Crystal Lavey is still the dude there my my rankings clearly are going to show that. Yeah I mean this is wonderful they they desperately needed another pass catching option their second best catcher of the ball was probably Joanne Johnson before this draft and that can't be good for your franchise. So good for Tyler Schuck. I think Tyler Schuck also in the third round Oscar Delp is a whole yeah Oscar Delp La Jolla. Thank you. Yes. Yes we both heard that during the draft when they draft the third pick Oscar Delp and both my guys not even in the same building. We are the dumbest. Yes we are. He is not a yeah he's not a player that is going to threaten in the past catching game. Right right now but I'm just saying for Tyler Schuck for this offense and they added obviously a chain junior to this team. I'm excited. I'm excited for the Kellan Moore Tyler Schuck led Saints. I'm super for fantasy. I'm super super excited. A la vey and Jordan Tyson is it's not Malik neighbors Jordan Tyson but it's still pretty nasty and that'll be real fun and then Bryce Lance a.k.a. Tray Lance's brother who plays wide receiver and it's a wide receiver who has all of the athletic ability that Tray Lance had except we don't have to worry about him being a bad quarterback. He did to throw it. Yeah he doesn't have to throw it. He has to catch it. So him in the fourth to bring an extra boost you know this pretty high and field stretching ability. I'm real real excited for the Saints. All right. Let's move on to Atlanta. They're one big offensive pick was a third round selection of Zachariah branch. Dudes very fast. They do have a very weak depth chart. So when you look at opportunities to break into the rotation you don't have to go very far. You know John Dodson and Zaccheus the kids is kind of pigeonholed into a specific role. So branch could be as well. We'll see how they use him. You know around three pick that's just fine for draft capital at Georgia last year. 51% of his routes were screens which so he's getting the ball at the line of scrimmage half of the time which for fantasy football purposes that's generally a big red flag as in this person will never turn into a mega producer. Not that he can't help the team or maybe he evolves into a wide receiver to at some point but he's going to be a high risk pick despite being a third round guy. He's going to be a high risk but he is also a high reward. We talked about this on the Dynasty show this week. His ability like I think he is not going to work out. These screen warriors in college don't translate to the NFL. I am guessing he will not be a good fantasy player but if he hits what his skill is is you know it is the Tyreek Hill ish kind of stop start that no one else can do and so should he hit it is it's a scratcher ticket. You know it's like you're you're probably going to lose but if if you win you could win big. That's what a scratcher tickets about which to be fair this year's draft like you can't win if you don't play this year's draft and the where he's going in the late second third round of rookie drafts. Yeah sure it's all sure it's all crap go for upside. Well that's where I'm letting quarterback situations determine my differentiator and a lot of rookie drafts where yeah and it has two of them. You just talked about Antonio Williams. Well you got Jaden right like at least there's that and in here I get like the double whammy of you got a hit and then you got a hit with crap at quarterback maybe maybe but probably yes you have crap Tampa Bay eight and nine fantasy winners for Tampa Bay. We didn't find another running back in this draft that is a benefit for Bucky Irving. We didn't really have a whole lot else going on other than the third round selection of Ted Hurst. This is one of the deepest even with the departure of Mike Evans is still one of the deepest wide receiver rooms in the league with a bucke and Godwin and McMillan and Tess Johnson Kate Otton soaking up targets. I know you guys like Ted Hurst. I don't know I like Ted if you need an injury to have bad news for oh no no I can't think of Tess Johnson. Yeah I think Tess will be the odd man out. I agree he would be the odd man out. I thought Tess played great. He was he was very good. This is like you said this is a very deep wide receiver core but it is not full of firmly established. Like you've got Godwin and you've got a bucke. Those two guys aren't going anywhere based on draft capital and contract and then they've got a lot of other talent but it's not anyone that is so established that someone can't come in over the top and be the three Ted Hurst. Well it'll be the three this year but Godwin you know at this age with the departure of Mike Evans. Ted Hurst is I mean he's obviously not a Mike Evans but he's a taller field stretching guy that can do. It was the six four something some of the same stylistic you know routes and you know losing Mike Evans matters for this team and they went out and they said hey day two we're gonna we're gonna target Ted Hurst. They were hersey that. Oh I like it. I'm gonna take a drink on that one. I'm I'm hersey. Oh man refreshing sometimes you sometimes you say and then the reaction you're like man I really wish I would know. There you go. I like Ted Hurst and I like the landing spot. You've painted the picture pretty well on an opportunity to break through. It's not like you know Tess had 22 catches. Janine Mee-Millan was hurt and came back and caught 12 passes so it's not like those two guys were dominators. I think they're both good but there is room for the size of a player like Ted Hurst to establish some dominance. Carolina offensive tackle defensive tackle third round pick of Chris Brazel the second Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel Brazel well that's from Chicago. These are my musical theater special. He's like you're right. He's like you got it. Nerds. Chris Brazel the second third round pick. I didn't think Carolina would go after. I know that's all it is. I like his film. I like his production. I like his measurables and then I he's from Tennessee. I'm out. What was that. That was the Adonai Mitchell and Zadier Worthy Jalen. No they were Texas. Hi. Oh that were both Texas. No no you're thinking of Jalen Hyatt. Yeah. What's wrong with that guy. For some reason Tennessee from last year they just Tennessee is able to produce a lot of statistics that somehow are manufactured well in college and doesn't translate. Brazel is a good player. He is and he's the he's the son of a former NFL player which you know so you know he's grown up knowing ball day to draft capital goes to the Carolina Panthers who really need another weapon outside of Ted Arowa. Yeah they have Jalen Coker who will be healthy this year and has been productive. They have Xavier league at your favorite player in football. He's still there but there's an opportunity there for sure. Chuba Hubbard like like we said they didn't go after a running back. It's good for Jonathan Brooks and Chuba Hubbard. Trevor E. T. and still there. AJ Dylan still there so that's going to be your backfield. Any other thoughts on Carolina. I think about does it. Okay we got through it. We did it. NFC winners and losers in the books. What do we have coming up next week. Don't we have some overreaction episodes coming up. We've got some things players to forgive. That's what I was going to say. You got some producers to forgive. What do you think. Papa Josh isn't here today. We're not ready. Yeah I have not. We're not ready to forgive him. He's certainly not on vacation with his family. Something he did. We went golf in today. We did. You got back on the course people. I don't know. I didn't open with that. You found the other half of your putter on hole nine. Yes. Like you pulled he pulled it out of his bag. I was trying to put a club in my bag and I was like what is blocking this. And then I reached in and the other half of my putter was the long half. Yeah the shaft the shaft of the putter. And then you left it like on the ground by some bird feathers. So it looked like you had there and when we were we left it for you guys. Yeah we rolled up and we were like someone murdered. Yes. Exactly. That's what that's what I wanted you to see that I murdered bird. You you had a good time. I had a better time. Adjusting expectations. Not statistically. I had a better time emotionally. I had fun golfing with you. Yeah it's good. It's good. You know there we've had quite a few people reach out since we've started. I will say this because we're golfers now. I'm a little bit of a golfer which by the way Mike came out today for the first time in how long has it been since you golfed pre pandemic pre pandemic. He played great better than all of us. So I've been told I was not in his foursome but they're all unfortunately I was and he played great. You know how would you play out. I did not play well. This is what's unfortunate. Like we had a bet last week and about me versus you and we both played pretty poorly. Yeah. And I played the same this week I did last week but you played just much worse. Horrible. I would have smoked you and that's really I'm really motivated by a hundred dollar bill. Your whole story right there was you played equally bad. Exactly. But you would have smoked him. If he had just played worse to you like he did this week. Is that too much to ask. I don't know. I don't know what it is. I don't know what we do on the golf course but it's getting hotter in Arizona. Who knows if we'll keep doing it. Get out there for a.m. All right. That'll do it for today's episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. We appreciate each and every one of you the foot plan out there from join the foot dot com to support this podcast and keep us going. We will be back very soon. Take care. Good bye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. 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