Julian Goldie Scales 5 Videos a Day — Using an AI Clone of Himself

How to scale with AI we have a practical episode today where we go into how you can scale content with AI. We have Julian Goldie today of Goldie Agency and but the most important thing, he is a YouTube influencer, is on lots of other channels like X. And he has a perfect way of generating original content, human content and AI content to scale the whole thing. But more details you get inside the interview. Welcome to another episode of the Beginner's Guide to AI. It's Dietmar from Argo Berlin at the microphone. And one thing before we go to the interview here is go to your podcasting app or to YouTube and search for AI for the 99%. It's a podcast that helps you if you are coming from a small company, Startup entrepreneur, mom and pop show. I have lots of tips and tricks for you there. Just go there, follow it. I would be happy to have you there. But now let's give the microphone to Julian. So I can say a lot about Julian. And the best thing is he says something about himself. But first of all, Julian, welcome to the podcast.

0:00

Thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

1:11

Julian, what did get you into AI?

1:14

So it's a funny story, actually. I have an SEO agency and obviously when ChatGPT came out end of 2022, I kind of felt a threat to our agency. I was like, you know, if we don't start adapting now, if we don't start pivoting now, then I may not have an agency or a business in a few months because the industry has just changed so much since then. And I've seen many people fall behind, particularly those who are creating content with AI. And, and so I was like, right, okay, I'm going to learn to figure this stuff out and I'm going to document the process along the way. And what was really interesting about that is like, AI was trending so much that people loved to learn about it. So I would just document the process because I was like, I might as well record it, you know, record my screen while I'm learning this stuff. So I would record a video every day of me learning and being a complete noob with ChatGPT and all that sort of stuff. And like, my videos previous to that, my SEO videos were getting like 200, 300 views. Video, like, I just couldn't break through no matter how good the content was or no matter how hard I tried. As soon as I published my first video on chat GPT, boom, 10,000 views in 24 hours. And so I was like, wow, okay. So number one I'm learning to. To keep my business growing. And number two, I'm learning all this amazing stuff about AI that I can learn to automate my business, automate our services, automate all our marketing. And so it was a double whammy. And from there I just kept going to the point where I think last week we published like, maybe five videos a day about AI. And I've just been fascinated by it ever since.

1:16

Five videos. Do you produce them yourself? It's with people or it's an AI video. How you do that?

2:55

Yeah, great question. So I actually do a live stream because I think people still crave, like, human connection. So I'll still do a live stream every day, and that's the closest I can get to in real life. And then I'll repurpose that video into an organic video that goes across all my channels. But then we also have a team of editors, and I don't touch the process at all. I just. I give them the systems and they go off and create and they will publish like, four to five videos a day. They'll find the topic, create the script with AI, create the video with AI, and then upload and publish to YouTube. So I'm like, kind of very hands off at that point. So we do a combination. I'm actually thinking about splitting the channels so I just have human on one channel because I get a lot of hate for using AI videos, honestly. And then my other channels, I can put AI content on there and people can choose. Do you want AI or do you want the human?

3:02

Yeah, this is a problem. I have this discussion with the podcasts because you can have different podcasts on one channel. I actually don't get hate for having some AI episodes, but if it's. YouTube is a different audience. So, yeah, one really has to think about it. But it splits also the attention, the work doubles. And this is really.

3:52

Yeah, so, yeah, that's it. Like, I mean, you only have so much time, you only have so much energy, right? And, like, when you're trying to create, it's almost like the more you create, the lower the quality goes down. Whereas, you know, the AI clone of me, when he presents, he pronounces every word perfectly. He never gets tired, doesn't sleep, and I don't have to be there watching and monitoring him. And so, like, it's really an amazing opportunity. I think I see the same, like, across all our channels. You know, we publish on. On Twitter, and sometimes we'll publish like 50 times a day and we'll Reach more people than ever doing that. It's like you can publish a lot of content but keep the quality super high as well.

4:11

I just looked at the LinkedIn and there's a lot of postings, but they don't get much likes. I don't see the insights in the background. I mean, you see the reach of the post is this, you have a high reach there or is LinkedIn not your channel LinkedIn?

4:50

I think we, we might reach like 3,000, 5,000 impressions a day. It's nowhere near as much as Twitter and YouTube. But the other thing I found about LinkedIn, this is quite interesting. We monitor where our sales and where our new customers come from and we split every single sale by channel. Right. I don't see any sales coming from LinkedIn. Even when we were reaching, sometimes we would reach like 20,000 people in a day or 50,000 people in a day. We still didn't get the sales that we wanted to really justify the roi. If it was like super high ROI channel, I would dedicate a lot more time and energy into it. But I'm like, okay, well what a choice. And if I just go in this direction, aka YouTube and Twitter, that's going to make way more revenue and way more money for us versus like if we go into LinkedIn and you know, this traffic is not converting.

5:07

Quite interesting because I don't think it's an AI problem. I mean if you post automatically, because I have many people say LinkedIn is the channel, but I also see the discussion that people say like after half a year intensively posting, nothing happens that doesn't, the needle doesn't move and. Yeah, so other channels. Okay, interesting. Yeah, learn something.

5:56

The, the only time we've really seen like LinkedIn blow up for us is we used to create these stories about like an entrepreneur and a founder's story each day. So for example, it'd be like Elon Musk story or Jeff Bezos and that content would pop off like it would reach a lot of people and get a lot of shares and, and people love their stories, right? But again, like it didn't really convert for us. Whereas like if I publish a YouTube video, I can almost guarantee that I'll get a sale or a few sales. Every single video.

6:15

Crazy. I mean, and, and we talk about the first the life and then the AI generated stuff. So is it. Is really, does it make a difference in sales or is the personal channel or the per your personal presence more successful or is it just doesn't matter.

6:47

It's an interesting One. So, I mean, number one, like I've split, tested this a few times where I'll create content with AI and human content on the same topic. And what I found is actually AI seems to get better watch time, more views, more reach. It's crazy. It's. It's really crazy. And it's kind of scares me a little bit because it's like, oh, people don't want to hear so much from me as a human. Like they, they like this AI version. But I do think there's something in that where, like you were saying, which content converts the best? Well, I always think that the content with the most trust is the one that converts the best. And so which one has the most trust? Well, I would say it's live stream because that's like you're interacting with a real person and you can see their character, their personality. They'll answer your questions live, they'll help you, right? Give them massive goodwill. If you have a recorded video, that's still a lot of trust and a lot of good stuff there, especially if you give value and you create goodwill from that video. When you have an AI avatar video, it feels very distant, you know, and there's a big gap in the amount of trust that you build versus live streams. Which means that I think, and this is just a hypothesis because I've never tested it, but I think that content would convert way less. Yeah, I think so. You can scale content, but you might not scale the sales with it.

7:03

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense because I mean, you, you build the trust with your personal live streams. And then the rest of people, I mean, they have not. Mostly they have more touch points than just watching one video and booking. So they watched like five to, to 20 episodes of you personally and then of the AI. So it makes sense. So it's a combination that, that still is important, even if you don't get so much read to like the AI.

8:19

I mean, actually one of the funny things is, and this is only because we can scale so much content with AI, we can do so much marketing with it. But like, I was watching the sales call the other day. I like to quality control our sales calls when they get recorded. And this lady was saying, I see so much of Julian that has a book in a call. You know, I saw him on Twitter, then I saw him on LinkedIn, then I saw him on the Facebook ads. And it's like at that point he was, I thought he was going to be in my fridge, you know, like, I just saw him so many different Places we had to buy from you.

8:42

Yeah, great. This is like. And this is important to scale thing, and this is basically an AI topic. How can you scale without AI? You need a huge team of people doing stuff and.

9:10

Yeah, exactly.

9:20

Yeah, yeah, but how do you do it? Just walk me, walk us through the process. You have the live stream. You start with the live stream.

9:21

Yeah. All right. So the live stream, what I do essentially is any, you know, we were talking about documenting the process, right? So anyone listening to this, if you're learning AI, you're obviously in an industry. You probably have a business and you probably have people in that industry that would love to learn how to use AI, but they don't know how. And so, like, if they can follow someone's journey in terms of learning how to use it, how they're experimenting with it, what sort of stuff you're interested in building, then that's a very, very interesting story that people follow, especially if it's like almost like a TV series where they can tune in every day. So, for example, yesterday we were building some new funnels, and these have worked really well for growing our school community this year. And so, like, basically I just showed people, like, listen, here's how much money we're making each month from school. Here's a funnel that we use and how we drive traffic to it and how you can easily automate this with AI. And. And people loved it. They were like, damn, there's so much value in this. And so I think just looking at what are you building right now? And the great thing about that as well is, like, I have a rule which is only state the facts and tell the truth and try and tell only the things that you're actually doing personally, right? So if I'm working on funnels, I'll have a unique style to doing it that no one else in the world has. And the same for you, like, when you do these podcasts, or if you do AI podcasts or AI videos, you have a style and a system that nobody else is using. And so if you can show the world that, then it makes you look original. They won't find that content anywhere else. And you, you stick out across the crowd. So that's one of the ways that we look at it. And then also, if there's a new update, I'm like, right, and you know how quickly these things move, right? Like a new update from chat GPT and you feel like a month behind already, even if it just comes out that morning. And so I'll do a Live stream that'll be like, okay, here's a new ChatGPT update. I don't know if it's good or not. Let's fess it out together and see if it's good and just give it a very honest take of like, okay, let's run it through the rounds to see how it performs. And that content typically performs very well as well.

9:29

Yeah, totally makes sense. Is it important to be live there?

11:35

So here's my theory is like, number one, it feels very real. I'm very like raw. And I think people like that kind of like a documentary. But number two, out of all the methods I've tested, this one drains my energy the least, which is what I need. Like, you know, I'm running a team of like 50 people at the agency. We've got to deal with fires and we got to deal with problems and I got to be building the, the business at the same time and working on it, not in it. And so when I do a live stream, if that's like 90 minutes, I can cover many different topics that create many different clips in the most time efficient way that doesn't drain my energy. And what I often do as well is, and this is an interesting way, like if anyone's listening to this and you're thinking about doing live streams and you want to generate more sales, we'll create content and we'll create video notes and we'll have the replay for all of that inside our paid community. And so like, if people want to get the notes or they want to get the systems or they want to get to watch a replay because they can't watch the whole 90 minutes at one go, which is, you know, the majority of cases, then they're much more likely to buy that content later. And so like you're building an asset inside your community that grows and compounds and gets more and more valuable every single day. People get attached to you because you're doing these live streams and then they're like, do you know what? This, this stuff was good. I wish I could watch more of it. Okay, let's buy the, let's buy the community. Let's invest in that.

11:40

Yeah, okay, you have also the community. You have the client business, the community business. It's good. And YouTube as its channel and is it great? Because, yeah, always good to have more than one legs to stand on. So good thing. But let's stay in the process. So live stream, you take a topic that pops up or do you go strategically with the live stream?

13:06

I try and Figure out, okay, how can I give the most value? What's going to help people the most? So, like, for example, there's many different AI updates that come out each day, but which is the one that people are the most interested in? So, for example, when I look at the data, particularly on YouTube and I look at all these different tools, I talk about, if I talk about Claude or even Chat GPT these days, people are not that interested. Right. Whereas if I talk about Notebook ILM or I talk about Google Gemini, people love that stuff. And the algorithm seems to give it a lot of love as well. So I'm like, well, if I can reach 10 times more people in the same amount of time, because I'm covering the topics that people love. Let's go over here. Let's move in that direction. Yeah, yeah.

13:30

Do you take this from your own data or just use a tool that monitors like Google Trends, simple tools or complex ones?

14:11

But yeah, so like, for example, I try to take note of it because I need to, like, direct my editors who are doing AI content in the right direction. And so, like, what I'll try and do is iterate and I'll tell them what topics to avoid because they don't work and what topics work really well. That informs me for my live streams. It informs them for the AI avatars. And then the other thing that we do is we have a list of our competitors in a spreadsheet. You can just open them up in 10, you know, two minutes, scan through all the different pages, see what content is performing the best, and then go, right, okay, our competitors have tested this already. That topic is going way better than this topic. Let's go for that one. And it's kind of a sneaky way to find topics. Action.

14:19

I mean, this is. But this is. Okay, this is a great way because everybody does it. And if you look at competition works like this, somebody like a car company, they come out with a new feature and soon everybody will have it. If it's good, I mean, makes sense. But it's so much easier because if you start, there might be people out there who think about starting something. Look what the competition does now. You don't need to have your own insights. That's a good, good way.

15:02

Yeah, 100. Yeah, 100%. Like, we actually, we're training our affiliates inside the community to like, create clips of our videos as well. And I'll try and give them guidance on like, okay, listen, this topic really well, you should double down on that. Like, keep making clips of that. This Topic didn't do so well or this approach didn't do so well. So avoid that. I've already tested it. I've got the data for you.

15:26

Oh, I love this because as the people might know or might not, I teach also online marketing forever. And also obviously affiliate marketing. Did some affiliate campaigns and whatever. But to, I don't feel the people are really in it. They, they say, okay, it's a sales channel and they don't do much. Maybe they, they talk to the top salespeople. But to have like a newsletter or like to inform them what works and help them, tell them, yeah, produce a video with this content that works. I mean this is, this is great. Use yourself salesforce. Send the people out.

15:48

Great.

16:21

If you, if you really coach them on how to do it. And yeah, I love it.

16:21

Yeah. So like, I mean for on the affiliate side, if anyone's listening, but like. Right, okay. I want to build a, an army of sharers, an army of people who do the marketing for me. And they, and then just performance based. Right. Because you only make money with affiliate marketing if you get the sale. So we have a competition that we run each month inside our community and we're like, right, you can, you, you can win $500 not for being, not for getting the most sales, but for actually being the most active. So we reward activity because we want to build up the habit across all our community. And then whenever someone gets a sale, we, I literally record a video and I'll break down the case study. I'll be like, right, Elsa's just got a sale is how she did it. Here's the steps that you can replicate in like three to five simple steps. And then it inspires everyone else. And the main thing like you were talking about is you want to make it feel as effortless as you possibly can. Like if it feels effortless and like it's, it's just, ah, I just have to click this button. This button, this button. Then like you're gonna get way more people taking up. Because I think if you, if you look like you were saying, like you can have one sales rep working for you. They're expensive, you gotta train them, you gotta hire them, you gotta manage them. You're almost like a therapist as a sales manager. But in the same amount of time you can have an army of 50 people marketing your business. They're doing it for free because they only get paid on commission. And also they're learning skill set directly from you as a community leader. And so they feel like more Attached to you and you, you're doing a good thing in the world. You're teaching people new skills.

16:24

Yeah, actually this is a so, so good if, if ever every one of you does affiliate, see how you can train those people, make them better. But the second thing I found really interesting because this is how you also get content. I mean if you make a case study, you don't only promote the person. I mean they feel totally like loved from you and, but also you have the content. And if you do a live stream, should you do. And if you have a case study. Perfect. Yeah, love it.

17:55

That's the other thing. So like once a week as well, we'll do just general live stream on how to do affiliate marketing with AI. But what we'll do during that session is subtly promote the fact that we've got loads of affiliates. It's working for them. And if you want to learn more, join the community. And so like, it encourages more people to buy the community because they're like, ah, this stuff is working, I want to learn that. And it's very unique. Like, you know, if you, if you've got an affiliate scheme and you've got a training program for it, well, they're not going to find that training anywhere else. It's like purely from buying from you.

18:22

What I find interesting is that you don't make an AI video promoting the person, but you do it yourself. So as we're in the AI podcast, I think you, you do a lot of stuff. Personally, I mean, this is like really, you, you go for the connection. Even if you have a whole system of AI around it, I think the personal touch just stands out here.

18:54

Yeah, 100%. It's like particularly, you know, since what happened, you know, five years ago when everyone was, can go out the house or whatever. Right. It's like, I think ever since then we've always craved more and more human interaction to the point where, you know, I think conferences and real life meetups, real life events are so in demand now and they're only going to grow because technologies and particularly AI is like kind of isolating us a little bit. And so like, if you can still add that human touch, then people appreciate it as well because they're like, well, this guy, he could automate all his marketing. He doesn't have to do a live stream, he doesn't have to create these videos personally, but he does it because he cares. And also that creates goodwill, which then makes your customers new and existing, build that relationship and more trust with you and it Separates you from everyone else. Because I know, like, my competitors, they can automate the videos as well. And so they're going to get lazy. They're not going to do the stuff that I do. And so, like, if I can work as hard as I can, then that's going to pay off.

19:14

That's great. Yeah. Because, I mean, we all don't. We don't want to be substituted by AI. And the great thing about it, it's like you. It's you as a person there. And even if you scale later, they still know you are in the center of this.

20:13

Yeah, yeah, 100%. It's the same like the team, right? Like, we have. We have a team at our agency and they know, like, I'm busy and I'm working on systems and that, you know, we've scaled the team, which is great. And we've got lots of clients and we've got people in who manage each department. But if I can say, like a personalized thank you to them, then that means a lot to them and even more because they know, okay, he doesn't have to do that, but he does. I kind of look to. I listen to, like, how to Win Friends and Influence People. Really famous book. Great book. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing. It's amazing. And like, I think it's. It's never been more applicable in today's world because of technology, because of AI, because people feel isolated.

20:26

I have to confess, I have it here. It stands around. So my reading for the afternoon is there. Yeah, good. Great. Yeah. But coming back to the steps, so you have a live video there that you record, and then the people take over, or the AI. I mean, do they use AI to cut content out there or do they. Do they do this manually?

21:09

Yeah. So we have a really simple editing process, which is like you take the live stream. You use a tool called descript that's available@ descript.com says descript.com and with that tool, you can just plug in. The live stream takes about 15 to 20 minutes. You remove all the filler words, cut all the silences that are longer than one second, remove all the retakes, because there's plenty of retakes on a live stream. And then add studio sound so that the sound quality improves. And then you just export that and upload it into YouTube or in, you know, Twitter as well. X is a really good platform for this. And it's so easy to automate. And that's using AI. You can even go inside. This is what I use for my affiliates as well because they clip my videos and then post them on YouTube. So there's a tool inside Descript called Underlord and it's basically like an AI chatbot and you can say, right, create a highlight reel from this particular live stream and the AI will edit it. Create like a really short but value driven clip and then they can post that on YouTube and it's like it's done and it's going to be unique every time.

21:30

Yeah, just, just to get a relation, you start with a 90 minute live stream and you say the, the cleaned one. How long is it?

22:35

Oh yeah. So depending on how many mistakes I've made, which seem to reduce each time I do, which is great. But yeah, it can be like 90 minutes and then that'll cut down to as short as 45 minutes, sometimes 30 minutes. But the great thing about that as well is like you make money, so you make ads revenue from the live stream. You make ads revenue from the organic. Most people won't see the live stream and the YouTube algorithm doesn't really push live streams after they've been published. So like if you repurpose organic content, you can get two to three times the amount of views from it. But yeah, just to really break down the process and simplify it for anyone listening, like if you want to break it down into stages. So stage one would be record the live stream, stage two would be repurpose it and then stage three would be plugging that across all your platforms. So for example, LinkedIn, Reddit, YouTube, X et cetera.

22:44

Do you use a tool there probably for.

23:40

The uploads and that sort of thing. We don't typically, because I've seen like a lot of people get hit for using these auto posters. Right. So for example, I've seen, I've seen plenty of X accounts that are big get taken down because they're automating the posting. So we always like to use a manual editor and a manual va. And then also the other part is like quality control. So I always want to quality control and make sure that content is as good as it possibly can be before we send it out. Because anything client facing you can use AI, it will save you a lot of time. But the final sort of last 20%, that might be the difference between a sale and no sale. That's where you come in for quality control.

23:45

Oh yeah, that's great. That's again the human in the loop. That is really important. And also you can tweak, you write something else for LinkedIn then for Twitter or whatever, this is like, you can choose your audience better and. Yeah, and someone's looking over this is really good. What I find quite funny is that Elon Musk goes so much into AI, but he doesn't like if you use AI tools or automatic tools to post.

24:23

Yeah, it's interesting, right? It's interesting for sure. I think YouTube is a lot more pro AI, and I think that's because of, like, you know, Alphabet is a holding company. And then you've got Google, which, I mean, they've grown from. From being nowhere a couple of years ago to being my favorite AI company in the world. And I think, like, YouTube are way more pro AI. As long as the content is good. As long as you're not, like, blasting AI slop everywhere and, you know, sloppy content that nobody wants to watch has to be good.

24:49

Okay. This is a good. Actually talking about AI slop for the people out there, AI slop is. Let's say it's. It's not what you really want to watch. It's like I take one sent, make thousand words out of this and then post it or make a picture that. Yeah. So you say this is bad for business.

25:17

Yeah, I think so. Because it's going to convert less and it might do more harm than good. I mean, I'll catch it occasionally. I'll catch my team getting lazy or catch my team, like, dropping the standard a little bit. And so that's why I have all these quality control checks in place to check the content. So occasionally you spot it from your team and you find those mistakes and you correct them. The same with. With X. Right. It's like you can automate your posts. You can easily create that content with Claude, but really what you want to do is, like, focus on, okay, the first two lines, even if you're using AI, okay, generate 10 different options using Claude or using ChatGPT, and then from there cut down to, like, the top one or two that you actually love. And so it's a combination of, like, human AI. And I think that's the best, like, right now, from what I see in the whole world. It's. It's not tools versus tools. It's like humans with tools versus other humans with tools. And so if you're learning stuff, I mean, if someone's listening to this podcast, they're obviously probably ahead of 99% people. But if someone is learning this and you just have to learn how to use tools better than other people. And that's been the. The case since the dawn of time, right?

25:37

Yeah, yeah, this is great. Yeah. So use the right tools, know how to use them. And what I found really interesting is your point on quality controls. You, you look into it, you look into the sales calls, you look into what the people do. I mean, this is kind of, it's. But I mean, the question was, what I have is leadership with AI or with the tools. Because you can't be too sneaky with this. You have to be open, you have to. The people shouldn't get controlled. But what's your problems or how do AI help you? Does it help you to be a good leader?

26:48

That's a great one. So, I mean, one of the first things I use almost daily is like, if I have any problems, I'm very solution focused. And so I'll take that problem and I usually use ChatGPT because it seems to know me the best, it understands me the best. It's had like two or three years of training data on my history. Right. Because it's got the memory. So and so I'll reflect inside ChatGPT. Okay, I've got this problem. Here's my proposed solution. What else don't I see? You know what, it's usually the unknown unknowns. And usually from there ChatGPT can give you some good solutions in terms of how to improve. Same for like weekly reflections. I do so I journal like, and I'm like, right, okay, how to improve my health or how do I improve work? It could be productivity, et cetera. And I'll try and reflect with ChatGPT because it will tell me stuff that I'm not fully aware of. And I think as a leader, usually it's the unknown unknowns that hurt you. It's the things you don't see that hurt you.

27:26

Totally makes sense in if you have like this, how those group calls, you have those people like leaders coming together and talking. And I mean, you can't do this like every day. So yeah, would be great. But nobody has time for this. And now you have a companion, you can actually ask about your leadership itself.

28:23

Yeah, like, for example, one of the things I've done in the past and I wouldn't make this a regular thing, I think, like, it's just good to reflect once a year if you have the time. But like, take some of your team sales meetings. You can easily record and transcribe them with, you know, I think you're using Fireflies. You can use Zoom as well. You can also use Fathom. These are all good tools for that. Take the transcript from that meeting. Ask Claude or ChatGPT. Okay, being honest. Be 100% honest. Rate me out of 10 for this call as a leader, and then tell me where I could improve. And it will usually give you some really actionable things that you don't see before. The other thing that I like as well is, like, quite often emotions and leadership are very bad. You know, like if. If you get emotional as a leader, number one, you're gonna lose respect. And number two, it's usually you're thinking in the wrong direction completely instead of being logical. And so what I try and do is, like, if I ever have any situations or problems and they can naturally spike emotion as a human, then take the message that you're going to message the team member, run it through ChatGPT or Claude, and just say, listen, how can I soften this? Or how can I answer this in a more emotionally intelligent way? And that seems to work really well too.

28:42

Oh, yeah, this is great. Because you can't really ask your workers on did I get too emotional in this decision? Or whatever. And they. I mean, they. They depend on you. They won't tell you the truth, or they. You hired them because they're similar to you and they don't see the problems. So you have an outside option. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Love it.

29:53

Yeah, that's. And also, like, as a leader, not. No one is born a leader. Right. It's like something you can consistently develop over years and years. I think it's one of those skills where, you know, it might take 10 or 20 years to master. And so reflecting that way just helps create, like, a buffer before you send, like, an emotionally driven message or something that you can't take back with your team members. And also if you find new angles to motivate people.

30:12

Yeah, I love this. This whole disc model, like this red, green, yellow, blue character types, and you're one type, and there's this book surrounded by idiots. So I love that. Exactly. Because this is the typical thing. You judge from your perspective and you have to get. I mean, you have to understand the other person. This is really important in ChatGPT or they really help you.

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Yeah, 100%. 100%.

31:04

Yeah. No. Do you ever consider yourself cloning yourself like an AI CEO Julian, the Julian Bot, or.

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I've tried it, but I never really finally use it. The other thing that I actually tried to do was, hey, Jin. Which is a video generator. Right. So if you. If you want to clone yourself as a video, you can use hey, Jam. But they also have an interactive avatar model now so you can actually ask questions in real time and that video will speak back to you within a few seconds. That's something I've got on my to do list to test this week actually.

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I already know I have a hydrogen plan so I have to go in there and see what that offers. Is great. This is, this is the next step. Yeah. Oh cool. 100% I think of what was. Nah, not Blade Runner, the other one from, from Cyberpunk thing. Johnny Mnemonic, I think where the guy talks and he has like this, the fingers and moves them and then. But now it's like even more automated. Great. Yeah. No, but so what would you say because we talk about personal use cases. What's your most stunning use case you have with AI?

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So many. I mean the, the honestly the AI avatar videos have saved me four hours a day so that's 120 hours a month I get back which is just absolutely wild. I think for me that still blows my mind to this day. The other thing that I really like is we found that we can take quite low skilled people with no experience and we can empower them with our custom built tools, you know, just a simple custom GPT and we can turn them into like a great marketer or a great copywriter on X. And that's one of the other things that blows my mind because it took me so long to break through on X and get reach. But if I give that tool to va, who's never done this before, they can pump out twice as much content as I used to and it's actually better and they get more reach than I used to. Yeah.

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And even if you would record so much, I mean this is draining. You can't. Emotionally draining. It's, it's, it's physically probably you can do it a few weeks, maybe a few months. There are some people who can do it. You have those power talkers but, but most people would say okay, it's enough and you have your day job anyway. You have to, you have an agency.

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So yeah, that's it, that's it. Like if you want to scale, you want to scale your team, like you have to find new ways around it. I mean other little stuff like for example a customer service team and we've got over 100 clients or SEO agency and so we actually have a AI that auto drafts the email response based on our training and how we typically answer emails and that'll create a draft so that when the account manager goes in they just have to do the last 20% which is like quality control it make sure it's the right response.

33:30

What system do you use there?

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So we use a combination of Zapier with Claude and then you can use Gmail inside that integration so that it all links together. Okay.

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Yeah. Great. Because I'm thinking about this all the time and didn't figure out how to do it in a good way. Yeah, but this is really like. I mean it gets your tone, it gets what you probably would write because 80% of the mails are standard emails anyway. And you can just adjust it because doesn't send it automatically.

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Yeah. Actually before this call I invited you to the AR profit boardroom and inside there you can get the automation for it. It's just like plug and play. Just click the button and deploy it.

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That's a good advertising. Yeah. We will come to your links and everything for the show notes later because I have still a question. Because not the last question but what you said is you can empower like you take a VA that didn't do things before and people say, I mean one of the things is people take AI takes away jobs from people. You seem to go the other way.

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Yeah, we're hiring more than ever. Like our marketing team. We basically assign fixed price to jobs so we spend a lot less in total, but we hire more than ever because we know, okay, the more content we create, the more marketing we have, the more attention we get, the more money we make. And so if we can take more VAs for example, we can set up more X accounts and then get more reach out wakes. It sends a lot of traffic to us. Perfect. The same for YouTube. It's like only had one channel before AI. Now I've got nine different YouTube channels and we can use AI to scale that in a very cost efficient way, but still get really high quality outputs and scale the team. I mean before we might have had like one editor like a couple of years ago. Now we have eight editors and they're just constantly publishing content for us.

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Yeah. And this is empowering them to do this because before they couldn't. And like you said, it's important to have the human in the loop. So they have to still check. They have to be intelligent enough to know this AI can't do that at least yet. So. Well, nine channels and you have to feed information in all of them. And yeah, it's crazy. A lot of. I mean the. I had one guy, the CEO of Redhead, he said he the AI problem is he has to do much more Thinking now it's. It's harder work being a CEO.

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Yeah, I do think that. I think in some ways, like, I work a lot harder than I did previously, but it's also like, you see the potential of it and see, like, okay, well, I can scale a business way quicker now. The game has become more interesting because there's faster feedback loops and so I'm willing to work harder. And also, like, any of the systems that I don't enjoy, any of the tasks, I can easily upload that to someone else, they can take it on, and then I can focus my energy on the stuff I love doing.

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Yeah, and this is the usual thing. You love to do one thing and if you love it, it's not like straining as much. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Yeah. It's a routine stuff. And if you either have AI or people doing this makes sense. One thing for the agency, I still have in mind to ask you. It was like, what verticals? I mean, you have. You say you have 100 SEO clients. Who reacts most to your strategies?

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Typically for the content, organic content. It's usually like smaller entrepreneurs, like solopreneurs. I think it's because they can relate to me as an agency owner. They see a lot of the systems and they implement that stuff themselves. And so we typically help entrepreneurs move faster. Whereas a big enterprise client, which we love working with, they can't really implement this stuff in their business as fast because they've got all these rules, legislation, they got a legal team and a legal compliance team that's like, no, no, no, no, no, we're not going to automate emails using this. And so they can't move as fast, which means they don't get the same benefits of AI. Like, if you, if you're running a small business and you're a solopreneur with AI, you can move like a speedboat. Whereas, like all these enterprise companies are like cruise ships.

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Yeah, totally. I see it. I have a client. We do more or less, we do some SEO, but more or less paid ads. And this is like, yeah, let's do TikTok ads, but we don't have a video. Let's generate a video out of there's tools. Let's generate a video. And in. I see the corporate people like, oh, how is it with copyright? Can we do that? What's the thing? It's AI generated. Do you have to flag that as AI generated? And yeah, it's so modern. We don't want to do is we have our editors. They will be afraid we have to fire them. All those things that come. I totally see that.

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Yeah.

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And we just move with a small client.

38:41

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, definitely.

38:43

So, yeah, I love to work with smaller, smaller ones. The big ones bring. Bring a lot of money. That's. That's for sure.

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That's the only thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it's so straining. Yeah, it's like all those loops. And also the, the goals, they don't know what they want because you have a person working there, an employee, and not the people, the people that have to sell themselves for themselves.

38:53

Yeah, that's interesting too. Yeah. They have their own incentives within the company. Right?

39:05

Yeah. And yeah, doesn't feel so much like fun. And also, yeah, okay, I don't want to. Want to gossip about my class. It's not about me. It's a podcast.

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Right.

39:25

You, Julian, in this case, is there some thing where you say the near future would bring some. Do you already see some developments that make things even easier or even harder maybe for you, because more competition or whatever?

39:26

Yeah, I think there's two things there. Like, number one, the thing that I see the most is like a lot of these tools that we use, they tend to get. A lot of them get wiped out after like these new waves of updates inside the main tool. So for example, let's say someone creates a SAS tool using an API from ChatGPT. Right. Might be an SEO tool that writes content, for example, writes blog posts. Well, two years ago, a lot of people are using those tools, but now nobody really uses them because you can do that inside ChatGPT and it's typically better, Right. It's more personalized. And so like, that's one of the crazy things is a lot of people getting wiped out a lot of these ass tools and it's all getting centralized into ChatGPT award and that sort of thing. And then I think the other thing you've got to be careful of is like you were talking about like AI slop. Like it's so easy to start scaling way too quickly if you don't have the quality control places and checks in place. And you can really do more harm to your business than good.

39:45

Yeah, makes sense. And people have to realize this is not good to put out lots of stuff. Yeah, yeah. But one last question, last question of the interview, because we talk about dangers just now, totally fits the Terminator or Matrix question. Do the AI take over soon?

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So it's interesting. I think the way that I've always looked at technology, pre AI even is you want to Control the technology before it controls you. And that could be something as simple as, what's your screen time like? You know, how much time are you spending on these platforms like Instagram, which can suck all your time and attention? Because the AI just understands you so well, the algorithm understands you so well. What I see with AI is like, that's going to be accelerated for some people. The algorithms will only get better. They'll only get better at taking your attention, your time, your energy. And so I don't see a world where AI really takes over, but I do see a world where more and more people. And you see this, like people just glued to their phone, walking down the street because the algorithm understands them so well. So in that way, some people already are in the matrix or already taken over by bots and that sort of thing. I think there's. As long as it's a situation where it's like humans with tools versus other humans with tools, we're all totally fine and we've all got our own control. But if it ever comes to the point where it's like humans competing directly with other tools that can just autonomously run themselves and build businesses themselves, at that point, we've all got a problem. But I don't see that coming.

41:03

There's at least, I mean, yeah, the dangers in the near future with the people who are already controlled by the algorithm because they can't stop scrolling and. Yeah. And like, like ChatGPT starts this new service, how they call this, I don't know, the social network that generates AI stuff. And. Yeah, right.

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As well.

42:36

They do it with Sora, but I don't know if it's a Sora app or. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I think this is in the Sora app. Yeah. I think it's just for Apple and I have a Android phone, so I can't use it. Can't get stuck there. No. But anyway, this is. I love it. It's a positive attitude, at least, that the Terminators don't take over. You don't see that coming. The last, last thing of the show, Julian, where can we find you? Where can we connect to you? We put everything in show notes, definitely. But, yeah, it's a lot, I think.

42:36

Yeah. Thanks so much. So if you want to connect with us for AI, we have the AI profit boardroom community, and that's a place where we teach business owners how to use these systems, how to grow their revenue and how to save time with AI and all the systems I've talked about, plus much more is inside that community. So I definitely recommend checking out the AI profit boardroom.

43:06

Great. And the other channels you find on the website. And yes, this is so much. And oh yeah, I'm so flashed. I have to. I know what I do today. I check out lots of stuff, lots of system. So Julian, thank you for the input. Really great having you here.

43:26

Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

43:45

Thanks again, Julian for those great insights. What I love the most is that you don't need less people, you need more people for doing this job. But you can empower them to do this job better and that helps you personally to get rid of your routine jobs, of the stuff you don't want to do. I love this system and it helps and it shows you that it's really important to have a human in the loop. But you can't do this just without you. Just you. You need to have help from from the AI because it's simply not possible to scale that much. Yeah, great insight. Use AI to make your content your firm. Everything bigger, scale better and don't let it drain you.

43:47

Yeah.

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