Macroaggressions

#655: The Plan To Destroy The West | Don Jeffries

65 min
Jun 14, 2026about 1 month ago
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Summary

Don Jeffries discusses systemic corruption, the decline of Western civilization, and what he characterizes as coordinated efforts to destabilize American society through pandemic fear-mongering, vaccine side effects, economic collapse, and demographic replacement. The conversation covers geopolitical distractions, the role of Christian Zionism in American foreign policy, and the need for grassroots community organizing to counter institutional decay.

Insights
  • Successive pandemic threats (COVID, monkeypox, Hanto virus, Ebola) function as distraction mechanisms from underlying systemic failures including infrastructure collapse, unaffordable housing, and vaccine-related health impacts that remain undiscussed in mainstream media.
  • Christian Zionism has been engineered through decades of religious conditioning (Scofield Bible, televangelism, Billy Graham) to create evangelical support for Israeli policy, effectively subordinating American interests to foreign policy objectives.
  • The two-tiered justice system is now openly visible to average citizens—wealthy and connected individuals face minimal consequences while ordinary people face maximum prosecution, eroding belief in rule of law and institutional legitimacy.
  • Demographic and cultural shifts are being actively promoted through coordinated messaging that induces white self-hatred and guilt, while simultaneously celebrating the decline of white populations as moral progress.
  • Grassroots community organizing at the neighborhood level ('John Doe chapters') may be more effective than top-down political movements because it bypasses partisan divisions and focuses on shared material concerns.
Trends
Recurring pandemic narratives as population control and distraction mechanisms from economic/infrastructure failuresErosion of institutional legitimacy through visible double standards in criminal justice and accountabilityWeaponization of identity politics and guilt-based messaging to prevent collective action by majority populationsDemographic replacement narratives gaining mainstream discussion after decades of suppressionDecentralized, neighborhood-based organizing as alternative to compromised electoral politicsIncreasing skepticism of official narratives around health crises, foreign policy, and historical eventsChristian Zionism as primary driver of American Middle East policy independent of secular strategic interestsHousing affordability crisis creating permanent underclass and preventing wealth accumulation for younger generationsVisible coordination between corporate media, tech platforms, and state institutions to suppress certain narrativesGrowing awareness of historical revisionism and selective teaching of American history to delegitimize founding principles
Topics
Pandemic Fear-Mongering and Distraction TacticsVaccine Side Effects and Media SuppressionTwo-Tiered Justice System and AccountabilityChristian Zionism and American Foreign PolicyDemographic Replacement and Great Replacement TheoryHousing Affordability Crisis and Generational WealthHistorical Revisionism in EducationGrassroots Community Organizing StrategiesMedia Censorship and Platform SuppressionSystemic Corruption and Elite ImpunityFeminism and Declining Birth RatesAnti-White Rhetoric and Identity PoliticsProject Blue Beam and UFO NarrativesScofield Bible and Religious ConditioningFEMA Camps and Detention Infrastructure
Companies
Amazon
Platform where Don Jeffries' books are published and sold despite alleged suppression efforts
Facebook
Social media platform where Jeffries maintains presence but reports being shadow-banned
X (formerly Twitter)
Platform where Jeffries is active and believes algorithmic suppression is occurring
Substack
Primary publishing platform where Jeffries writes regularly and maintains subscriber base
ZeroHedge
Alternative news site that republishes Jeffries' work periodically
LewRockwell.com
Alternative media outlet that publishes Jeffries' articles
People
Don Jeffries
Guest discussing systemic corruption, historical revisionism, and demographic trends in America
Charlie Robinson
Host of the Macroaggressions podcast conducting interview with Don Jeffries
Tucker Carlson
Referenced as increasingly radical voice questioning credit card usury and Israeli policy
Christian Jordnev
Sponsor/guest who provides health optimization programs; Robinson describes trusting him with his life
Michael Lush
Founder of mortgage acceleration program; Robinson interviewed him about alternative mortgage instruments
Billy Graham
Historical figure credited with opening evangelical Christianity to Zionism and Israel advocacy
Thomas Massey
Kentucky congressman discussed as victim of coordinated political suppression for Israel criticism
Bill Gerion
Florida congressional candidate discussed as unlikely to succeed due to Zionist opposition
RB Ham
Canadian trucker convoy leader facing $50,000 in fines and wage garnishment for protest participation
Yuri Bezmenov
Referenced for his four-step demoralization plan framework for understanding current American conditions
Quotes
"It's a big club and you ain't in it."
Unknown (referenced in intro)Opening segment
"The condition of the average people are never allowed to improve. We had a middle class, but now we're reverting back to normal, and we're sliding into peasantry."
Don JeffriesMid-episode
"If I was a conspirator, I'd probably suggest something like that. You know, make it look like you're doing it. Make it look like they have some kind of power."
Don JeffriesMid-episode discussion of Trump indictment
"The white race meets every criteria for extinction, let alone endangered species. And no one cares. It's being celebrated."
Don JeffriesLate-episode demographic discussion
"Love thy neighbor as thyself. That's the credo of the Bible. And if you just form John Doe chapters, people getting together realizing they all have the same concerns, you don't have to discuss politics."
Don JeffriesClosing segment on organizing
Full Transcript
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I think it'd be more fun than jumping off a cliff to German bisexuals. Oh, you English are so superior. Aren't you? Thank you, comrades. And now, macro-aggressions. I thought I'd have to call it. With your host, buddy, I don't know who you are, but you're about to get chlamydia. Charlie Robinson. Hey, Whitey, where's your hat? You wouldn't drop the blame on Charlie and say it's all Charlie's fault. He was a retard. I'd get some goddamn diuretic. Welcome to Macro-Aggressions. I'm your host, Charlie Robinson. If you're watching us on Rockfinn, Rumble, YouTube, or you're listening to wherever podcasts are served, thanks a million. We appreciate your support. We could not do it without you. Macro-Aggressions.io is the website. You can find everything we are working on over there, and you can get your news at activistspost.com. Hopefully you are. Hey, hope to see you guys this summer, August 13th through the 15th in Serbia for Liberpoko. This is Liberland. Are you familiar with Liberland? It's the newest country in the world. I've had the pleasure of introducing the president of Liberland to the stage multiple times in Mexico, and I'm excited to go and see what they're doing in Serbia. So if you're interested, you can go to anarchapoko.com, get yourself some tickets and go, or you can do a virtual pass. Speakers include Vitt Jedlenka, the president of Liberland. Jeff Burwick will be there. Gareth Eich, let's see, Max Egan, Doc Malik, Mark Devlin, Christian Jordnev, bunch of people. I'll be speaking there. So come on down if you're in the neighborhood of Serbia. I'll see you there. Since I mentioned Christian Jordnev, who will be there. You know, he is my certified health practitioner. I quite literally trust him with my life. If you're somebody who is suffering from, oh, I don't know, hormonal issues, lack of energy, just overall feeling bad, not like you used to, you know, be back in the day. I guess the good news is it's fixable, but are you serious about fixing it? Do you want to take control of it? If you do, you can do so with Christian. Go to livelongerformula.com, read up about his program first, and then message him and let him know that you're ready to do it. It's a six month or a full year program. I've met several people in real life who have been working with Christian besides me, and one guy burst into tears. He's quite literally had his life saved by Christian, because he discovered that the guy was definitely allergic to cashews that he was eating by the handful out of a bucket that he had under his desk. Things like that seem very small, like, oh, it's just cashews, right? You know what? You're never going to figure that out unless you open the hood and look underneath and see what's going on in there. So for those of you who are interested, go to livelongerformula.com, check it out, talk to Christian, and start down that path. And also, if you own a home, do you own a home? I hope you do. If you own a home and you have a 30 year mortgage, I suppose you could take 30 years to pay it off if you wanted to, but you don't need to any longer. There is a program out there that can reduce your payment down between five and seven years. The way they do that is they flip you out of a mortgage and into a totally different instrument. So it's not about refinancing. It's not about recasting. It's not making double payments. You can do all those things, for sure, but that's not what this is. It's different. And as somebody who's been in real estate for three decades, this is a bank killer. I cannot believe this didn't exist sooner. If you're interested, you're just curious, watch the video to find out more about it. You can go to wipeoutyourmortgagenow.com, wipeoutyourmortgagenow.com, watch the 20 minute video, or go back a couple months through your macroaggressions catalog and find the interview I did with the founder, Michael Lush. And I'm telling you right now, the first time you hear it, it sounds like a scam or something. Watch the video. It will all be explained to you. It makes perfect sense. So for those who are interested, wipeoutyourmortgagenow.com. All right. We got the business out of the way. It's time to get down with the man, Don Jeffries. I mean, Don has been a friend to this show for many years. I've had the pleasure of speaking, doing events in New York City with him in 9-11. Tremendous, tremendous asset to our community, heavily banned and suppressed. Of course, after you listen to this episode, I think you'll probably figure out why. Please welcome and enjoy my conversation with the great Don Jeffries. Well, it's always good to have Don Jeffries back on the show. And Don, I got to say you look good. Clearly you don't have the Honto virus. Not yet. I'm trying to stay away from rodents and, you know, and not have sex with somebody that has it. So should be okay. I mean, are you feeling like, it seems like they're trying desperately to roll these out. It was monkeypox and there was a failure to launch there. And then the Honto virus comes around and everyone starts to kind of laugh at it. It's, I mean, it's funny on some level, but we know that they're not going to stop. We're starting to feel a little bit of Ebola creeping and I'm starting to hear that in the news. It's Ebola too. Electric Puglulu apparently they're bringing that one back. So are we just going to get an endless series of hobgoblins like H.L. Menken talks about? It looks like it. It looks like it's, you know, they just never stop with the fear porn. I mean, it works so successfully during COVID. Well, you know, why should they? It's nothing's worked like that before. So they just, I don't know how it works on anybody, but it still does. It's amazing. Like I said, at least Ebola has some very terrifying and different symptoms, but so yeah, I'm scared of that. But the others are just like Hanto virus and I wrote about it on Substack and it's the exact same symptoms as COVID, which are the exact same symptoms as the flu and the cold. And it's like, you know, really, I think you, the power of suggestion plays, you know, it goes into play here. Oh, I tested positive for COVID. This is different than anything I've ever had. Okay, sure. Yeah, and, I mean, Ebola, if it's a real thing, it's terrifying of course. And so I suppose on the one hand, it's anchored in a little bit of reality where there is a thing, it exists, it's out there. But is it spreadable? Is it communicative? Is it something that you can get in a wet market and then go spread it around the country through airports and it feels to me like, regardless of whether it's Ebola or Hanto or whatever they're coming up with now seems to be designed as a deflection from what's really going on, which is the vaccines. The vaccines are having some very measurable side effects that are impacting society, but magically we're not allowed to talk about that. We're only allowed to talk about other things that seem to mimic the effects of COVID vaccines and we're supposed to be hyper-focused on them, but of course we were never allowed to ask when a popular athlete just falls over dead at a young age. We're not allowed to question that. So is this a smokescreen to disguise from the damage from the vaccines? Well, yeah, to do that and to just distract from the problems that the same thing that our foreign policy does, distract from the problem that the main problem we all see, which is that the country is collapsing, literally, with the infrastructure and figuratively as well, because we have people that are just struggling everywhere and I think Trump has been asked about that a few times. He just doesn't care. He pretty much says, I don't care. He says, I don't care. We've got to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons, so that's his main concern. That's what Menkens quoted about the hobgoblins. He said foreign hobgoblins, I guess he didn't foresee these pandemics and things like that, but it's the same kind of thing. It's distracting people from the meat and potatoes of how hard it is to live now with the cost of living and how the job opportunities aren't out there for young people. We sold them down the river. The home ownership is pretty much a drain that only very small percentage of young people will ever know. Renting even is out of the realm of lots of young people. That's really the main issue in the country, but that, of course, is the systemic corruption, which is never addressed. The swamp was never drained. We still have people that get away. I know a lot of people have talked up this Ken Paxton in Texas, but one of his best friends raped a six to nine-year-old boy for three years or something, and he got almost nothing. He literally was like a slap on the wrist. I think he's still friends with him. That kind of stuff at all levels that is happening. Meanwhile, the prisons are packed with people that don't have connections. That's the kind of stuff that needs to be addressed, and that's why it's so disappointing that Trump, when he talked about draining the swamp, that resonated with everybody. The fact he's done absolutely nothing about it, but he just keeps these distractions. Whatever new pandemic they throw in, certainly would serve well. People would be so distracted between that and the war with Iran that they won't know what to do. First-time home buyers in the late 90s, 27 years old. First-time home buyers today, 40. That's an unsustainable situation. Is there going to be some sort of inflection point? Are we going to come to a place where we can't go any further? We can't inflate it anymore. Something has to give, and maybe it's a financial system needs to break down and change, but we're sprinting towards a brick wall. It feels like at some point we're going to have to change course. Is it too late to change course here? Well, I don't know if it's ever too late, but everything we're doing is going in the wrong direction. Literally everything we do. That's because my book, Survival the Richest, and what I've said and written over the years is the one unceasing principle of leadership around the world, but certainly in America, is that the condition of the average people are never allowed to improve. We had a middle class, or while it was, but it was mainly built on the post-war boom, which created a lot of bad things, but brought the suburbs and great jobs, every job paying a living wage. That lasted for a couple decades. The world had never seen an economy like that, but now we're reverting back to normal, and we're sliding into peasantry, where they just basically want us to be peasants, and that's why they treat us. We don't have the rights when I mention that guy. Some average poor guy does something horrible like that. He's not going to get a slap on the wrist. There's two standards of justice, and nobody seems to... It gets mentioned here or there, but that's a problem, because people see it. The average person understands that they know that nobody with power is ever going to be held accountable, not the way a normal person would. They also know that when they go to their job, they're not ever going to get enough of a raise, 80% of them, to meet the cost of living. They're never going to get ahead. You were trying to keep up with the rat race. That applies more than ever today. You're barely sprinting. That's why I said Tucker Carlson. I know people think he must be a disinfo agent, but he's a damn good actor, and he's just getting more and more radical. He sounded more and more like me. The other day, he advocated that people stop paying their credit cards. That's just incredibly radical suggestion. He talked about the interest rates on them, and how it's unbelievable. 20%, 30%, 40% on credit cards that obviously no one can ever pay. These people are parasites doing that. They used to be considered mortal sinners. The Catholic Church for years thought usury was a mortal sin. Now nobody talks about it anymore, but for somebody like that to say something like, I'd love to see people do that, but the problem is I'd love to see a general strike where people just stop paying everything because there's nothing they could do. They can't, you know, or maybe they can. They have 150 million people or whatever, but they have lots of FEMA camps. Well, ICE is repurposing prisons and jails. They've taken 10 jails and prisons and repurposed them for, you know, detaining foreigners, right, wink, wink, whatever that means. Yeah, I mean, what would happen? I wonder if we did get together on general strike. I mean, if things got to the point where, you know, like you said, it's hard to do much of anything. It's hard to hold these people accountable or make them hold other people accountable. You can really only vote with your influence, your dollars, your attention, your energy, all of that, right? And if you withhold that in some way, shape, or form from the state collectively, a group, you know, as a group, maybe we get some impact with that. But I wonder if they would not just crack the hammer even further down on us, Canadian trucker style, you know? I mean, there was a sense there for a second. Oh, wait, the tide's turning. And then that was slammed down. I wonder about what the strategy is for America moving forward. Don, do you think they should sacrifice some of these politicians, you know, sacrifice them to the public, take them away in handcuffs just to give the impression that there's still the rule of law and maybe try and play that game? Because right now nobody thinks that that's ever going to happen. And if somebody was actually let away in handcuffs, it's possible that it might make people believe that things were going to change. Is that too much to ask for? Well, if I was a conspirator, I'd probably suggest something like that. You know, make it look like you're doing it. You know, make it look like they have some kind of power. And that's why I still think the Trump and sign project may end like that, maybe. I don't know. But he's gone so far off the rails and I don't know what's going on. You know, it's not what I anticipated. But I always thought that may be the way that ends, that he is let away. And maybe the stray jacket, kicking and screaming for the White House. And you know, thrilling, you know, however many people hate him, a hundred billion or whatever. But I don't know. But you think they would do that just as a show that, you see, the system works. I mean, that was, if you remember back in Watergate, you might not remember, but after, that was the litany from the media, is that, see, the system worked. The system worked. We got him to resign. And I remember thinking, oh, it didn't really work. You know, and now we know, I know something different about it. I was a, you know, typical left-wing Democrat then. So I was ecstatic, you know, but now we know different, you know. I mean, it was, there was, Nixon was eased out and that was just a show. And he still wasn't really punished, you know. So I don't, I think that that would be something that they should do. But again, I think that the public doesn't demand it. And you know, we talked about something like a strike. And you mentioned the Canadian truckers. And one of my good friends, RB Ham, you know, was a leader in that. And he, you know, he's paying the price now. He's got like $50,000 in fines from being just because he did that. And they're, you know, they garnish his taxes and wage and everything. There's nothing he can do because they're, they're, you know, they're tearing up there as well. And that's the same kind of thing they would do in America. So it seemed pretty big. It seemed like, but I guess it wasn't big enough. And I think it's always a numbers game. So, and I try to tell people all the time, they say, well, what are you doing? I said, well, I've made myself unemployable, you know, with what I'm saying, right? To that degree, that's something. But I'm not going to go out in any marches unless I know there's a whole lot of people there. I mean, you're talking at least hundreds of thousands and really millions would need to get together. So a general strike would mean nothing unless you could get millions to do it. But if you got millions of people to do it, it would mean everything. Because there's not enough of them to run everything. And they depend on that stuff too. So, I mean, can they round up everybody on that? That's why I, you know, it's the same problem we saw in Orwell's 1984. You know, he talked throughout that book about the proles. And he talked about how they, you know, they could, they could just, they could defeat the party and big brother in a second. Oh, there'd be like a horse throwing off flies. And that's exactly what it is. It's like a horse to shake the flies off. But we can't, you know, we're distracted by all these petty differences. You know, they get us distracted on race and religion and gender and all the, all the stuff they distract us on. So we can't come together because we're fighting over that. But if we look at the common enemy rise, this is, we have to do something about this. I mean, you know, Matt, the Massey thing, Thomas Massey thing, if anybody was, you know, thought for a second, we can't vote ourselves out of this. We cannot vote ourselves out of this mess. That's obvious. They saw a target that simply because he went against Israel and pissed Trump off, they were able to unseat him legitimately or not. I mean, I think there was fraud, but maybe not, you know, because people with voters are dumb. So, and that's the problem we're on. If you see the way they vote, they're going to reelect Lindsey Graham and people like that, guaranteed their, so when they, these are the people you have to get together. So how do we do it? We're still just, we're still so outnumbered, but I still think we could get millions, but I don't, it's hard. And of course, there's a lot of risk involved, too. Because, you know, they'll, they'll, oh, you're, what are you trying to do? This is an insurrection. You know, they said that about January 6th was an insurrection. So imagine a national strike. They would, they would easily, they would make examples of that. And they would march us out in the orange jumpsuits and, you know, hey, don't ever try this. Okay. The Thomas Massey thing felt like a demoralization campaign. Like Israel got all, got a thought in their head. If we allow this guy to win, it's going to be a big problem. But if we're able to crush him with some guy who nobody's ever heard of, who nobody shows up to his victory party and always money comes from out of state. And if we can make that guy win in Kentucky, surrounded by Kentuckians, maybe that will just demoralize the rest of the, anyone who is a Thomas Massey fan will just probably say it's just too much. Right? At least one benefit to those people is that they're able to take one person who, you know, I mean, I don't trust any of the politicians, but, you know, Thomas Massey has a lot of hope behind him and take a guy like that and just crush him to demoralize the rest of the nation. I mean, that seems to be what has happened here. I think that looks like what it was. I mean, and symbolically it was, I said, you know, this one person doesn't mean anything. But symbolically this was very important. And they'll do the same thing in Florida with Bill Gerion against Fine. You know, the guys, it should be the easiest congressman to be. I mean, I just show videotape of me illegally voting for other congressmen, which he should be thrown out of Congress for doing that. But they're never going to let somebody like Bill Gerion in there. I mean, this guy is so extreme. It's, you know, it's so, that's a pipe dream. They would never allow that to happen. But symbolically if Massey had won and if Bill Gerion can beat Fine, well, that says something. Okay, maybe Zionism's power isn't, you know, complete. But clearly they wanted to make that statement. And I, you know, since I got my ex-account back, they took it for two months and they hacked it. I didn't think I was ever, then suddenly it was a Mother's Day miracle. You know, somehow it came back. And so I've been trying to, you know, so hard for me to build a presence anywhere. That's why I'm suspicious of anybody that has huge presence because I know how hard it is to build it. So I'm doing what I can and getting a little feedback, but just looking at exit, the Zionists and the Israeli first-years, I don't know why they come up on my page, but there's so many of them. It's amazing. These people that are claiming Palestine doesn't exist and claiming there's never been a genocide. And then what are you talking about? And this is the way people see the world. And I, maybe I don't think they're all paid influencers, but when I look at that, I'm thinking, you know, this, can we possibly, if there was no fraud, can we match these people? Because I think there are more of them in terms of, you know, trying to, because to me it looks so cut and dry. But, you know, I've been arguing with people about, you know, Palestine doesn't exist. And I said, have you looked at all the maps that, you know, used to have Palestine on it? So were all those map makers anti-Semitic, because they were putting country that didn't exist? I mean, that's what we're up against though. And that's why I hate to keep talking about Palestine and the Jews and everything. But it's, I think it's the biggest issue today because, and it's the only issue where there's some hope. Because what I'm amazed at, especially with the left, you know, people like the young Turks and people like that, and again, maybe they're, maybe they're all controlled. I don't know. But they sound pretty good to me. And they're all talking about things that I never thought, you know, Tucker Carlson just openly saying, well, why does Israel have a right to exist? Stuff that nobody ever said. And, you know, Candace Owens, nibbling around the Holocaust and talking about other genocides and stuff, he's, these are, it gives me hope that this stuff is being, because you never used to be able to, the word Zog is used everywhere now. That used to be 30, 40 years ago. Randy Wielberg's T-shirt. That was all I, you know, that was probably the new one. Yes, exactly. That's what it was. It was a Randy Weber T-shirt back then. We saw what happened to him and his family. But now, I don't know what it means. And of course, I'm suspicious instantly that why are we being allowed to, do they want us to say this? Or are they trying to bring this out? Because I, the thing I find most amazing is that I just, it's amazing how many of these, I mean prominent Jews, Michael Douglas, Adam Sandler, you know, people, the Rappaport, the actor, the, and these are, you know, very wealthy people. And they, I don't know if they really believe this, but they honestly think like World War II is still going on. And they actually think like there's a possibility that they're being exterminated. They actually, I mean, I listen, I said, what do you really think they're people that want to exterminate you? What do you, where do you get this idea from? Especially look how successful you are. I mean, maybe I could understand if you're, you know, scraping by or whatever, then you might, but it's perpetual victimhood. And it's like, but it's everywhere. There's so many of these people that believe in almost every prominent Jew that I've seen. It's like, how do you fight that? You know, it's psychological projection. I mean, it's them projecting onto others, what they themselves are fantasizing about. I never heard a Palestinian talk about genociding the Jews. You know what I mean? We never hear that. But you hear the Israelis in general and some of the Jews in particular talking about exterminating children. About when we go into Gaza, you take the children's heads and bash them against the rocks. And what? There's your, you're confused that there's criticism of your behavior in the aftermath of saying and doing the things that you're doing. I mean, it's, it's delusional thinking. I suppose you have to be deluded to behave that way and then project onto everybody else your frustration with them holding you accountable for your own actions. I mean, it's bonkers to me. And I feel the same way you do, Don. It's like, we've been talking about this or we've been writing about this for a long time. You for a very long time. And it's always been off limits. And now suddenly it feels like it's not totally off limits. And my mind goes instantly to a place of, are we walking into a trap? Exactly. Are they trying to, because we haven't, and again, the fact it can be openly discussed with the 37 states now have some kind of, they're two different measures and it's maybe more states than the other thing. But one of the measures is to make it, I don't know if it's illegal, but it's to say that no business over a certain amount of people can boycott Israel. And it's like 37 states or more have done that. And just as many states have come up with a measure condemning anti-Semitism, whatever that even means, they can't even define it. And we've known that they had that, the Congress, I think probably a couple of years ago, I wrote about it on Substack and I can't find any updates about it. But at that time, they passed the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, which is the most dangerous piece of legislation ever passed in American history, passed both houses. All it was, wait, it was Trump who's the biggest Zionist we've ever had, all he had to do was sign it. I can't find any indication he ever signed it. And there's no news about it since then. What did it call for? So I don't, was it fake? It had a list of, it basically outlawed, and again, it didn't say what, you know, how was this subject to prosecution or whatever it had. It basically forbids, you know, of course they threw the Holocaust in there because we're the only Western nation that doesn't make Holocaust denial legal. You know, there are people that have been imprisoned all over the world. We're the only ones that don't amazingly, but considering the Jewish power here. But things like just basically criticizing the way Israel was created, which of course is at the heart of the matter. You can't do that. They stole land. You can't talk about Jewish power, that the Jews run the world, or that they have power in media. All the stuff that people would notice, noticing, you know, hashtag noticing, passages in the New Testament, because much of the New Testament is very anti-Semitic. You know, Jesus talked about the synagogue of Satan, all that stuff. And I don't know what they're going to, but it's, it was frightening legislation because it didn't say like how this was going to, you know, we actually be prosecuted for this. We have a kind of an indication of what could happen in Florida. And in Florida, it's so good in many ways, you know, and when you take out Israel, they're good in a lot of ways. But with Israel, they're the worst. And this college student recently was thrown, taken into federal court before a Jewish judge who's a very ardent, ardent Zionist. The last judge you want to get put for making a joke online about Netanyahu. She said something like during a discussion, hey Netanyahu, throw us some bonbons, which they took to mean bombs. It didn't make any sense, but she was taken into court and this Jewish judge was really taking it seriously. She faces felony charges. Now, maybe that story wasn't real. I'm sure if I look up, there won't be any updates on that either. That's what I find. There's never any updates on any of these stories, which leads people to believe, you know, so many people think these things are fake because they never get resolved. So I don't know what happened to the Anti-Semitism Awareness Act, but they're still talking about the kind of stuff as if that never was passed before. But it's terrifying and, you know, I don't know what percentage of Jews, Americans want it, but a lot. 82% of Israelis support what they're doing. People think there's, they always say there's opposition in Israel, 82% support what they're doing in Gaza. So that ought to tell you something. Considering the other 20% of Palestinians are Arabs. Yeah, exactly. It's probably close to that here, but in terms of if they did an Anti-Semitism Awareness Act or something like that, every evangelical Christian would support it. And that's really what crops Zionism up in America are the evangelical Christians. Yeah, that's been the real monkey wrench for me that I never really understood this for a while. I thought Judeo-Christian values, I would hear that and I'd go, oh, okay, are we on the same, are we, we're on the same team here? I'm not religious one way or the other, but so they're on the same team. And then it was Christian Zionism. And I thought, oh, I don't know much about religion, but I think that you're probably not supposed to blend those two together to me. I think that that seems like it would be a bit of a problem, but you can't really tie. I mean, it seems like it's hard to reach people who are falling into that. How was this developed? This seems like it maybe it took decades to get this to the way they wanted it. But how did they infiltrate and compromise the church and get everybody to believe this that this is somehow Judaism is somehow like your cousin down the street. Like we're all friends and everything, but that's not what it is at all. How'd they pull this off? Sure, we rejected, they rejected Christ and caused this group of Christians, but other than that, no, I mean, it's Catholic. I was raised a Catholic and it took a long time for me to understand where this all came from because as a Catholic, nobody ever talks about Israel. Nobody talks about the Jews being the chosen people. None of that. It's foreign concept. And I always found the Old Testament frightening and the Catholics never, they always read from the gospel. There's always a New Testament. You know, I knew some of the Old Testament, but it was scary to me. And what happened is they had something called this. There was a guy named Scofield who was a petty criminal and somehow he, some, some really, some rich Jews found him in the late 1800s or something and they got together and they created this special Bible called the Scofield Bible. And it has a bunch of notes in it. And the notes are all to direct readers and to, to, you know, basically manipulate them into making the, making things more Jewish. And so the whole thing is that, you know, suddenly Jesus becomes a rabbi and his Jewishness is, again, is a Catholic that it wasn't stressed at all. It's stressed constantly. There's so much talk about Israel. Everything's interpreted about, you know, Israel, you know, the, Israel must be created again in 1948. It has to, you know, they have to restore Israel. The second temple has to be, but all that stuff, the book of Revelation is stressed constantly that Catholics don't stress. And so it took a while. And it took a while. You had preachers like Billy Sunday and people like that, Amy Temple McPherson, people like that that are, that were, some of the first Bible thumpers. But it wasn't until like Billy Graham that, and then, then the televangelists that came in, Billy Graham, of course, became Nixon's best friend. And Billy Graham opened up Israel. He opened up Israel to the, the evangelicals. So they started going over there and realizing, again, Catholics never did that. And mainstream Protestants didn't either. And Catholics used to have a lot of power. They have no power now because they're not countering any of this stuff. The Pope throws out a few things like he opposed the war in Iran and everything, but they don't power, counter Zionism. I mean, for decades, the Catholic Church refused to recognize Israel. That's why that's when Catholics had some power. They don't have, so there's nothing to counter. What has happened is that an evangelical Christianity has grown to such a degree. I have a Catholic family, but there's way more evangelical Christians in my family now than Catholics that are converted. That's, that's where they go. They go to the super churches and they go to the, they know that, you know, they somehow they fall for the televangelists, the prosperity gospel. So they don't have to worry about, you know, you know, Campbell going through the eye of a needle. No, they want riches. And so they look at these guys and they're pretty much allowed to live their life as they want, but they can still claim that they're Christians. And that has taken over. When you look at Christianity in America today, it's that. The evangelical Christians, they are Christianity. I don't, you know, Protestants that aren't evangelicals, they barely exist in the Catholic Church is toothless too. So that's the problem. It's been allowed to take over. And so now you have, they're out in force and they're, you know, they're worshiping a guy like Trump who's been married three times and certainly is, you know, is what's sorted stuff. He's done, but he's never been any kind of Christian, but they're worshiping this guy. And they think he's because he, again, because of Israel. And the evangelicals number one issue is that they want that. How do you argue with people that want that to happen? Because they think it's, you know, upholds the biblical forecast that this has to happen. And I've tried to tell, I said, wouldn't it be a great thing to avoid it? No, the Bible says that's what God says. So, I mean, you think God might want us to win it, but so that's, they want it. They're excited about it. It's, it's, it's, I don't know what to do. It's very, but it's hard arguing with these people because there, a lot of them are really good. A lot of them are my supporters that liked me and they don't understand what I'm talking about now. Why are you talking about like this? You know, why are you criticizing Israel? That's not what you tell them. I don't know how you can't criticize. I was just going to say, how do you support Israel? I mean, the question is inverted. I mean, why would you support this country that is hell bent on undermining America? It's quite obvious. I mean, in the writings, in the Netanyahu hidden cameras, America is this thing that's easily moved. You know, don't you get tired of being easily moved? Don't you take a little bit of offense to the fact that there's a small nation the size of New Jersey in, in the Middle East that is controlling our country? Like, I get offended by that. But the people who, it's quite something that they've done. They've turned these people into defenders of it. They should rightly be out in the streets protesting this. Instead, they're, they're defending that. That's, I suppose you, you put a Bible in front of somebody's face and it turns off their ability for critical thinking sometimes. Well, it does. And the evangelicals, they, if you listen, they don't talk about Jesus all that much. They focus a lot on the Old Testament. If you look at the reading, they love the Old Testament because it's very Jewish. And it's, you know, talks about Israel and that's what they're concentrating on. So they certainly don't want to talk about it because Jesus spent a lot of his time just blasting the Pharisees, the Jewish leaders. That's what he did most of the time. If you look at when he got mad, he got angry at them. So that doesn't fit their narrative. And he also, you know, made it clear that, you know, it's harder for, easier for Campbell to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And clearly he was, he was advising you not to get wealthy and they all want to be wealthy. You know, most of us do. So this is, and also it's very, you know, in the Catholic faith, we're supposed to go and confess all the time. We're supposed to recognize we're sinning all the time and, but even if you've been saved, it kind of, you know, I'm saved now. So yeah, I can, I've talked to them and I say, you guys, so many of them don't walk the walk. They don't live holy lives and, but they've been saved. I'm saved. But, but you don't, the way you live your life and that's the problem is there's so much, but it's, I don't know how to counter it because there is no religious leader to counter it. And the closest thing are some of the Muslims. And of course they, because they have a very, you know, worse than you might go to these three, I don't know how real that is about stoning women and all that. I don't know how often they really happens because that could be, you know, a lie to make it look like that. But I do know, having known Muslims and talked to them and that they have a reverence for Jesus, whereas the Jews and the Talmud and everything say some very nasty things about him. And so I don't, I don't understand this Judeo-Christian and that's a new thing. That's probably within the last 40, 50 years. And it coincided with the Christian evangelical movement where they would say it because we don't have a Judeo-Christian heritage. We have nothing, there's nothing Judeo about our heritage at all. But they try, there's nothing Judeo about Western heritage at all, but they try to conflate the two. And it's simply not the case, but that's where we're at. And how, you know, when you try to argue it, then you're just called anti-Semitic. It's like, okay. Well, then what are you called when you ask questions about what's going on in Texas when they're building gigantic Hindu temples and things like that, or they want to have a Muslim only city. And it's like, we're, like it's, you know, people had talked in the past about the Kalergi plan being a anti-Semitic conspiracy theory, right? Well, it's not, it's a real thing. And it's being unfurled across Western Europe and North America. I mean, this is undeniable. How does this play out for us, Don? We've got, we've got mosques springing up in Michigan like crazy. We have Hindu temples in Texas. We have, you know, we have Randi Fine swearing allegiance to Israel. I mean, everybody is pulling for everybody else except for us. We've been completely sold out. What do we do? We have. And that's exactly right. And that's why there's some good, like you got this little, little gaddas, very pretty young girl that does great stuff online. Leonardo Gioni, the comedian, you know, I'm trying to get on my show. She said she'd come on, but she's very busy. But that they're talking the truth. You know, they're saying it's the great replacement. I mean, that's basically what the clergy plan is. And there's no question about it. And again, the people front and center involved everywhere in the great replacement happen to be Jews because they don't see themselves as white, which is hysterical. That, you know, I said, well, I don't know what you are if you're not white, but, and I've published on substack some of the quotes from rabbis and you spoke, it's called rid just really talking about hate, hateful comments with the white race needs to be eradicated. And again, these are people that supposedly were almost exterminated themselves once. So you think they'd be sensitive to that, but there's a lot of talk about wiping out the white race. And but again, we are just, we've turned into a lot of cucks and they've made it that way. They've done it on purpose. You know, they've cucked out a lot of people. The testosterone has diminished. Alex Jones was right about some things. He was right about that. It's gone down for the last several generations. So we don't quite have the fight in us. We used to have. And I see I'm getting courage to see in videos and, you know, maybe that some people are stepped, but it may be too late. But at some point, you know, again, we're not, I don't want to be superior to anybody, but I say, you know, I don't want, you know, my kids are grown now. But when they were little, I don't want, if I have grandkids, I don't want them being told in school that there's, they have some kind of mark on them. Some kind of a special original sin and that, you know, that they're, they should feel bad about themselves. And I, why would any white parent want that? They should all be up in arms over that. But they've just kind of, you know, shook their heads and you see all the videos of it's much like the Christian evangelicals are behind Zionism. They keep it afloat. Well, the great replacement feeds off of the self-hating whites, especially white women. You see all the time the talk about, and nobody ever says that you do realize you're white, right? Because they'll be saying, why it's this and why it's that, are you exempting yourself or your love, you have kids, are you exempting them? Nobody does that. They just say, what do you mean? I'm not racist. And that's the problem is we haven't fought back and it's easy to fight back against any of this stuff. Zionism is stupid. It's intellectually indefensible. You saw that with Ted Cruz attempting to debate Tucker Carlson and Huckabee too. Tucker just demolished him because it can't be intellectually defended. And the anti-white thing can't be intellectually defended either. There are no white supremacists. Most whites are terrified of blacks and are terrified of being called racist. The last thing they are is supremacists. Now there is Jewish supremacism apparently, but we don't talk about that. Well, I keep waiting for someone to recruit me into these white supremacist movements because I'm as white as they come and I've got a big problem with what's going on. And nobody reaches out to me. There seems to be a supply and demand imbalance in hatred these days. They're trying to make up the difference by creating some of it, but it feels like, yeah, it's been quite embarrassing to watch people give up on themselves, especially the white community to be made to feel that they're the bad guys by default, that they owe somebody something. There's been, I don't know that the idea of suicidal empathy that the white women in particular bring to the table here, that they are so concerned with helping out everybody. And I get that. Like on the one hand, it's good to be a nice, compassionate person who wants to help. I would never want to tell someone not to be that, but there's got to be a calculation. Doesn't have to be where you go, if I give any more to myself, this is going to get dangerous for me. And I need to put myself first. And I've been nice. I've been generous. I've been helping you out and giving you my time. And I stand with you guys and I support you, but I got to take care of me and you guys are all attacking me. And so I'm out of the business of supporting people who want to kill me. And I'm definitely critical of, especially the white women who I think are driving this forward, this concept of this empathy that gets us all, takes us all to a place where now we're in trouble. So how do we corral the women back? As you said, like you want to say, like, don't you recognize that you're also white too? I mean, can we hold up the proverbial mirror to them or is this beyond? Well, I think unfortunately the conditioning, it's massive conditioning too. You go back, you know, 70 years at least, that this is, the Americans have been indoctrinated. Western world has been indoctrinated in this anti-white, this white guilt stuff. And they've, they realized early on that women weren't more susceptible to it. And they took to it much easier. So they've, it's been, they've been far more successful with them, but they don't really need to convert as many men as they can get to women because we have women. And, you know, it's, it's obviously they're necessary to far existence. And that's why you have a, that combined with feminism. That's why you have the problems you have today. And especially with young people today. I mean, they're just, I read that, well, for the first time in history, you have more 30 year old women that aren't married than are married. Never happened before in history. And you have so many 30, 40, maybe 50 year old virgins now, they're almost all white men, almost all white males. Never happened. Yeah, that movie, the 40 old virgin was before it's time. But it's, it's because they're not having, that's why I joked with the haunted virus. They don't have to worry about that too much. I don't think that many, much sex is going on, especially young people because they're clashing that with the Tracy transgender movement. All these things that are thrown in there, it's all done to make it impossible for men, young men and young women to get together. And of course, that's why we have the lowest burst rate we've ever had. I mean, the white race meets every criteria for extinction, let alone endangered species. And no one care if, and it's being celebrated. You know, some little butterfly somewhere in Africa that was endangered, we, you know, we'd expend millions of dollars to make sure it didn't go extinct. And I support all that. I don't want to say anything to go extinct. You know, I'd still mourn the Dodo bird, but you know, I remember when the white rhino and the white tiger and things like that. I thought, of course, we have to try to save the species, but we don't have to save the white race. You're considered racist even saying that. It's like, what, you know, why, I can't, where, where are, where's any leadership? But that's why I say, look at somebody like Tucker Carlson. It's the closest thing we have that might stand up a little bit. We just don't have Dan Buldgerian. You know, it's kind of, probably doesn't have a chance. There are people like that, but we have to just stop, you know, you don't have to be mean or you don't have to be, you know, bigot or anything like that to stand up and say, this is stupid. This anti-white rhetoric is great. Why, you know, we're no other group is allowed to be bashed like that. I'm not going to take it anymore, especially white men. You know, we're not, I don't care how many stupid commercials you put out there. No, we're not dumb duphuses who have to be saved by some smart ass white woman and some black guy coming along and tells how to do things. You know, that's what every commercial, every movie, every TV show shows. That's not, I'm tired of being depicted like that, but you don't have them doing it. Instead, they just kind of nod their heads and just create some more of that. That has an impact. It has an impact on everybody. It has an impact on all the young kids that are watching it, whatever race they are, whatever gender they are, they're absorbing that. And they think that's reality and then they grow up to be that. So you probably have a whole lot more white, soft duphuses than you used to have because they've been created. And the media is running cover as well. When they cover these stories, if they ever do, of teen takeovers and everything, it's sunbathers on a Florida beach. It's like, really sunbathers? That's the day. Teen takeover. What's the common denominator between all these teens? So they won't talk about that. It's always, you're not allowed to notice anything color related. God forbid, you'll be thrown out of polite society. You're not allowed to notice that the fraud in Minneapolis is all being done by Somalis or that the healthcare fraud, the hospice fraud in Los Angeles or the homeless fraud in all of California. You're not allowed to recognize any of this because if you do and you happen to be a white man, you're somehow, I don't know, talking down to society. Your thoughts are not requested or required or warranted or wanted in any of this. But we see what we see. We have our eyes. We can see what's going on. It feels like, I mean, every day I am reminded of Yuri Bezmanov's four step plan for demoralization and I go, where are we on this chart? How many cycles through this chart have we gone through, Don, in the last couple of decades here? But it feels very much like almost as if, if you see what's going on in the world and you're angered by it, good. We want you to see what's going on in the world. And we want you to also recognize that we're not going to do anything to change it. It's just going to remain this way going forward. Have a nice life. Have you been feeling the demoralization kind of cranked up a little bit? Oh, yeah, of course. And what's happened is the noticing, noticing it has become a bigger crime than whatever you're noticing. So we've already had indications that it was the guy that, maybe five, maybe more than that years ago, admittedly, shot and killed some white truck driver and he got off because he said the driver had said something racist to him. That's where we are. We're saying something racist justifies murder. And again, who's protesting that? There were no, there's not any whites, no whites in the community protested that verdict. Like, you know what would have happened if it had been reverse. Imagine a white guy shooting a black guy and getting off because the black said something racist to him. You think there would have been a riot? So that's the problem is we, the closest thing you had to it was January 6th, which was not really a racial thing, but it was kind of that side. And you saw what happened. I think a lot of people have been scared into submission because it was close to a million people. Whatever we saw, what happened? It did nothing. Trump threw them under the bus and they didn't stand with them. And a bunch of them spent, some of them spent four years in prison. I had a bunch of them on my show, you know, that were, and now apparently, I don't know, Trump belatedly. It's about the only good thing he did. He belatedly pardoned him, but he, and now maybe they're going to get some kind of restitution. I don't know that I can't, I can't imagine that won't be controversial, but that's the problem is that, and that's the only time in my lifetime when there has been a right wing rally of that magnitude. Because otherwise every time there's a protest or rally, it's, we do have used to have pro life rallies. You don't even have them anymore, but they weren't, they were never, never violent or anything like that. And, but all the other rallies, all the protests going back to the 60s have all been from the left. They're racially inspired now, you know, now Antifa and never the other side. The people that see have been, have seen their country changed, gotten screwed over. They're not mad as hell and they're not going to take it anymore. They're not out in the streets anywhere. Close this was January 6th and maybe a bunch of them got scared off because they saw what happened. So maybe they're not all out in the streets because that conservative side of the aisle is busy working. And maybe they'll, they'll feel like maybe the left has a little bit more free time on their hands to be mad about abstract things. Whereas the right is going, well, I got to go to work and I'm pissed about this, but it still doesn't stop the fact that I have to get up and go and pay my bills and do all this stuff. I don't know what it's going to take. I mean, you'd think my, my, my question is, I mean, when it does, when it does finally happen and the conservative side stands up for themselves, what is that going to look like? Because there, there's also that, that old adage of the guy who wanted to be left alone and left alone and left alone until you piss him off and make him join the fight. And then once that guy's in the fight, get out of the way, man. He's, he's on a rampage because you just destroyed, he can't go back to the way it used to be. There isn't the way it used to be. Now he's in it. And then once he's in it, there's going to be problems. I mean, is that where it's going to have to be, Don, that we're going to get to a point where the world you remember growing up in no longer exists. And if you're ready to fight for it, the time is now. Yeah, I think, I think it probably may have to come to that because we don't have any leadership that's going to try and all it is about is just holding it. All this is so simple. If, if, if we just, well, we've never been able to do it, never to be able to have the laws and the rules and the standards of conduct apply equally to everyone. It should be a simple thing. You know, this is the law. So this, it's never been that way. You know, even before it was, you know, if you're rich and wealthy or you're, you know, you related to somebody you got off, everybody knows that. And now you have a whole thing where, you know, if you, there are tons of blacks in prison, but if they, the media decides to make a racial case out of it, then it becomes really hard to hold them accountable no matter what they did. Because, and I don't, you know, I guess the blacks that are in prison wonder why they didn't get that advantage because they didn't, they didn't have any attention to their case. But it's, I think that this obviously seems like it has to happen. But I, I've always said, you know, I would never want a racial war, but I think if we did have a racial war and broke down, I think probably more whites would fight on the other side against whites. And I think, I would never want to see that happen. But because obviously in such a case, it's like everything else, we have a huge advantage in numbers still, not what we had before, but we still have an advantage. And, but because we're so, we have so many that this, the Clority plan has worked so well, where the great replacement where the whites that are left there, they hate each other. So many of them don't want to have kids or just are refusing to have kids. So we're not replacing ourselves. And that's one of the main reasons we're dwindling in the population. Yes, we have more increased immigration and Hispanics, especially they're, they're not holding, they're, they're, they're proud to have children. They look at them as a blessing where American whites, oh God, what are we going to do? They look at it as a curse. And that, and that's been my entire lifetime. It's been that way. And going back even before that, you know, and so it's, it's a curious thing. Because, you know, especially for people that are, if you consider you're religious and you want to be fruitful and multiply, but white people that they bought that propaganda, they're the only ones that bought it a long time ago. Oh, you got to be responsible. You know, don't kids, don't have kids until you can have them. No, nobody else thinks that because you can always have, you can always do it. I regret that I didn't have more kids because it didn't really dawn on me until too late. But there's, you know, there's only white people think that way. And so that, that's the problem is, and I don't know, I don't know if we have enough people left that care, you know, they care because there's so many white people that probably do want to see us go extinct because they bought it. And that'd be a great thing. And I, you, I can, you can look on my substack pieces I wrote about where the quotes are there. Yes, to be, this is the best thing that could happen to the world. No more white people to go extinct in there. I mean, it's unbelievable. You can say that about any other group, any animal. And yet we're, we just sit there non-you. Okay, that's taken. That's, I'm not proud of being white. Like I said, it's like, you know, I had nothing to do with it, but I'm not ashamed of it. And I don't want us to go extinct. Is that unreasonable? No, it's not unreasonable. It seems very, it's a very measured response, but, but we're not allowed to have measured responses anymore. I mean, I, you know, I'm, I've been writing about the past, present, future, eugenics. And so you dig into like the old timey wasp faction, like the British round table and all of that. There are some legitimate white devils in that group. Like if you, if you know, like the, the people, the, the, the, the black community talks about, you got to be careful to wipe. There are for sure some of those folks there, but it's such a small percentage. Of people that, that are, that have, have been, you know, of the wasp community, but I make this case that there's really two groups pushing heavily for depopulation. There is that old wasp faction, the Eastern establishment in America and the British faction in the US, but that the second group is the Sabotee and Frankis. They're AKA the Jews. And that group has been prolific in depopulating. They have a strategy for it. You can look at the Bolshevik revolution. You can look at World War II. You can look at, you know, so I think maybe, I mean, I don't know, it's a tall order, but maybe the strategy towards getting people to stand up for themselves in this country is to show them the history of what happened when you don't, like the Soviet Union in, in the early 1900s. You will be put in a pile of bodies with 50 million other people if you don't get a handle on this right away. I mean, can we learn anything still from history, Don? Is it possible for us to learn anything from history? Do we just have to repeat everything over and over again? Well, I write enough about it, but it's the problem is that, you know, people who get most, most Americans are probably most people in the world are historically illiterate. It's a great subject I've writing about history. There's so few people that even care about it. And they've been conditioned, most people, whatever history they know, it's, it's mick history. It's so, and so they know basically, they know about the founding fathers, but they just think of them as dead white racists. And when they think of the founding, you know, there was three quarters of a man or two thirds, whatever, they had that kind of thing. And then there were slavery. That's what they know about the founding. They don't know anything about it. No emphasis on, you know, the Boston Tea Party breaking away from the British, anything like that. Independence, the Ejeculation of Independence is almost outlawed. Then they revere Abraham Lincoln. And, and, and he, when he was the worst, you know, the greatest, greatest tyrant we've ever had, but they revere him. He's the greatest statesman. And all they know about that is slavery. They had slavery and slavery. Abraham Lincoln freed the slave. That's, that's what they know about that. They don't know any of these gaps in between. And then they go up to FDR. You know, he extended, he started social programs and everything. He extended the government. That was a good thing. And that's basically the civil rights movement. Rosa Parks, he refused to sit in the back of a bus. I mean, this is the extent of their history. They don't know, there's so many gaps in between. They know nothing about. And they know even modern history, they forget so quickly. You know, Obama got elected and they made me feel good. You know, that's about it. And, and that's, I hate Trump. That's the extent of their history. And so to try to make them understand that, you know, that all these other awful things happen. And thank goodness there's, you know, there's, there's audience, the people that like my hidden history books, but the average person can't fathom that. I mean, you tell them, you know, that Lincoln was a tyrant and you lost him right then. Oh, I'm sure I, that's it. And, you know, that the, the World War II wasn't a good war. And you talk about all the allied atrocities that I, as I have, they don't want to hear that. Because, you know, they had a grandfather that was in the war. That means that, you know, it was great. Okay, I'm sorry. There was, I hope your grandfather didn't, but, you know, they did rape an awful lot of women. They had to open special brothels, you know, to accommodate them. That's, that's true. But, and they stole a lot of stuff too. But, you know, that's, when you try to do that, you get, you get declared unpatriotic. And of course it becomes harder to try to, you know, try to get people to come together because that's why I tried, you know, for a while and I thought it was the simplest way to maybe do this. One of my favorite movies of all time is Meet John Doe, Frank Capriclassic, 1941. Anybody who watches, it's just, it's where I got a lot of my populism from. It's a very populist movie. And in the movie, they, I said, you know, they formed these John Doe chapters. And they used John Doe as a reason because it's anonymous. It's what they, you know, they find a body, they have no identification. They call them John Doe. And all of us have become John Doe's in many ways, you know, or just anonymous wards of the state. And, but in this movie, they, you took politics out of it. And if you just form John Doe chapters, and that's what they did. They found chapters everywhere. And it was the idea of people, neighbors getting together and realizing that their neighbor wasn't a bad guy and that they all had a lot of the same concerns. And just meeting on that level and realizing, okay, the same problems I have, the same concerns. And you don't have to discuss politics. And I thought that would be such a great way to form a movement. We get people and then eventually, naturally, some of that would spill over where you'd start getting some of these issues in there. But if you got together at that level of realizing, hey, you know, love thy neighbor. I mean, that's the credo of the Bible, isn't it? And not that many Christians would support it, but that's what it's supposed to be. Love thy neighbor as thyself, right? And I thought that would be, but, you know, and people liked it when I wrote about it, but I didn't hear of any John Doe chapters forming. But I think that's the best bet we'd have is to try to do it, because they couldn't object to that. They couldn't call it racist or anti-Semitic or anything, because it's just about being good neighbors. There's nobody can object to that. But I just don't know if people, maybe most people aren't good neighbors. Couldn't do it, but that'd be a way to get together, I think. For sure. Well, let's wrap up with this and let's go out on a fun note. Are you preparing for the UFO invasion that's coming down? I wrote about it recently on Substack, and I used to love UFOs, and I used to read a lot about them and everything. And ironically, like I said, I don't know if the conspirators just decided to, you know, throw me a bone, but I, for years, when I was a kid, I used to look up at this guy wanting to see a UFO so badly, never did. But after I wrote that piece, I took my dog out to walk that night and I think I saw a UFO. Are you serious? I really do. I really do. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. I wasn't prepared because I haven't looked for him for a long time. And my dog wouldn't let me stay out too long, but I'm pretty sure. And I thought, well, you know, I just wrote this thing. What are the odds of that? And so, anyway, there's a real phenomenon. There's no question about it. Somebody people have seen him and had these encounters, but for a long time I've understood they weren't aliens. So, but project blue beam is something they seem to want to tease us with all the time and make us think we're going to do this. I don't think they actually ever will because for the reasons I wrote in the article, it'd be really problematic. It's like we saw with Artemis too and, you know, they think, trying to do these things now, a lot of people are watching. So you got to make sure, you know, it's legitimate or people are going to be able to find out it's not. So something like that would be, I think, pretty easy for, you know, and even if it was real, which I don't think whatever, millions of people would think it wasn't. Because it could have issued you so. I hope they don't do something like that because when you do that, that's a step, you know, you can't really walk that back from. And especially if you can convince people that obviously this was fake and they're not going to admit it's fake, then they have to come out then behind the mask for good. And, OK, we got these FEMA camps here. So that's where you're going to be staying. Everybody who has questions about the UFO alien invasion, we have FEMA camps and ICE detention facilities specific for you. Don, where's the best place for people to find your work? I know a lot of your work gets republished on Activist Post because I'm the one republishing it over there. But I know I protested, and Substack is a banger, and people need to get over there and subscribe to it. Where else are you writing these days? That's the main thing. Stottel Jeffries at Substack.com. That's the place on My Shadow Band. And I do appreciate you doing that. ZeroHeads just published something by me recently when they hadn't for a while, but they used to, and that's always nice that you get a lot of attention there. Lou Rockwell does a lot. But I'm back on X, so people can follow me. They're at Don Jeffries, and I still think they're doing something to me there, but at least I'm there. And Facebook, you can find me there. I'm up on Maximum Out of Friends, and they Shadow Band me very much there. But my books are out there. I have 10 books, and the latest was American Member Home. I'm working on a book about sports now, so that'll be my most controversial book. Oh, excellent. I want to talk to you about that. I worked in the sports world for a while. That's Don Jeffries. Everybody, go get his books Hidden History, Masking the Truth. They're available on Amazon, even though Amazon doesn't want him anywhere near there. But you can find them there. If you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you again very soon. Thank you.