Nazi-Looted Art FOUND in a Property Listing (w. Kira from The Art Revival)

This is exactly right. lot of cringe. Listen to Boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she? She is not with us anymore. She... Great, great, great way to start. Maybe you will cry. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh my God. All the time. That's so funny. I know. So I try I butch it up for kids so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like Doris Day. No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Danielle Robay, host of Bookmarked, the podcast by Reese's Book Club. And this week on Bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls' night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, and Gary Rice, and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series, The Last Thing He Told Me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life. The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody? That's what creates community and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it was just to connect people together. Listen to The Bookmarked by Risa's Book Club podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Melissa Malbranch. This week we're going to be talking about my latest FOMOV mom, all the reasons why you should never go to Times Square, the one time I saw a guy get stabbed, and stolen art with my good friend Kira from The Art Revival. How are you? I'm fine. Yeah? How was your day? I can't move like too much to the, like my neck. Why not? You know what you did? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was not at the club. No, no, no, no, no, no. You did the other thing. You had a faux mouvement. Well, now I'm worried. Oh, a faux mouvement. You had a faux mouvement. Yes, I did. I had a faux mouvement. You did. Magalie, yeah. Please tell her I had a faux mouvement. Yeah. Throw Magalie's photo up there with the definition of faux mouvement, which is a bad movement in Haitian Creole. My mother would love that shit. Because, you know, my mom is, she's on social media. She's out in these streets. Trolling me, by the way. My phone was on, I can't, I throw up my neck. Uh-huh. I was trying to get this guy's number for my friend. I was at a sushi restaurant. Well, at least you weren't at Taco Bell. No, not again. Not again. Not again. And I did like a little like, oh, hey. And I did the bend and snap. What were you doing? I tried to do the bend and snap and I threw my neck out. Were you whipping your hair back and forth? I got his number though and I gave it to my friend. And are they going to call him? I think so. Okay. I hope it works out. Because you're being a wingman. I'm a really good wingman. Are you? Yeah, because I don't have any shame. So like I have no problem walking up to a person and just being like, bloop, knock over their drink. Be like, I'm so sorry. Let me buy another drink. What was your name again? I'm actually clinically insane. I'm wanted in all 50 states. Is that how you got your husband? Did you knock over his drink? No, we met online. But I mean, I've done all sorts of unbelievable things in bars to talk to people. I met my husband online, too. Yeah, it's the way of the world now. I guess, but I lied. Oh, we all lie on the internet. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not even a lawyer. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, when my mom asked, when my people asked me how I met him, I said that I met him in a restaurant. And they didn't find out that we met online until right before we got married. Because it was like you knew you were going to get shit from your family if you. Yeah. It just felt at the time it was super sad. Some of them it's not worth it where it's like, oh, I'm just saying it's easier to lie about this. Yeah, yeah. And then he went and opened his trap and told the whole world. I have to go to a gala this week. It's like an immigration gala for – I honestly have no idea. I didn't read it. What are you wearing? Oh, I have a whole like black tie. I have one look for black tie events and I just keep wearing it. I'm like – Tiffany Haddish did the same thing. She bought one nice dress when she first – I don't love her, but go ahead. Sorry. I'm like kind of indifferent. I mean, I really liked the sort of like the beginning of like her being everywhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she started speaking. What did she say? Well, what did she say? Stuff that I didn't like. Let's move on. Okay. Okay, we'll move on. There's beef. Hope you're not vegan. No, there's no beef. I don't know her. Okay. To have beef. But I asked for four plus ones to the gala. i guess that's plus four i just like my friends are visiting and i was like well if i'm gonna go to this and they they were like we want you there we want you to take photos we want you to post about it i was like that's fine but i'm bringing my friends that isn't let me tell you uh out of the people out of your plus fours i didn't get an invitation i see you all the time these people are visiting i don't care you don't think i want to get dressed up and go someplace you don't think that there is some estate find in my closet. This is exactly what Magalie would say. This is exactly what. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you invited. I don't want to go. And I wasn't invited. Yeah. I wouldn't go if you did invite me. But how dare you not invite me? I don't want to go anywhere. Ever. Wow. And you know that. However, if you don't invite me, it's over. Yes, it's over. It's over. What happened at the estate sale? Nothing happened at the estate sale. However, I did think about you because you wear suits all the time. I do. And when you buy things at estate sales, I hope people know this, right? You all are buying things at estate sales and thrift stores and you're washing them, right? Or you're sending them to the dry cleaner, right? If I buy anything, I have a friend who works in like products. Yeah. And she said she went to the factories where the products are made. I won't say what brand. I'm sure it's disgusting. And she was like, don't ever, anything you buy ever. Yes. Wash it and wipe it down if you can't wash it. Yes. So even if you get like a shirt from the store. Yes. And you're like, oh, I got to wear this. Especially like towels and sheets and things. Those things are up on the floor. Absolutely. Even if it's coming out of the package. So I took a bunch of stuff to the dry cleaners. Dry cleaning, I need to take a mortgage out. Oh. Take out a loan. Oh, my God. There is like my dry cleaner has a full country home paid for by me. You. I think on the title. Like it is actually crazy how much money I spent on dry cleaning. It was. I forget the stuff that I brought, but it ended up being like $260. Dry cleaners run this town. They really do. New York City is owned and operated by dry cleaners, bodegas, and the food delivery guys. Literally, without them, the whole city crumbles. Collapse. Most apartments don't have washers and dryers. You mean in unit. In unit. Right. And the washers and dryers, the shared ones- Are disgusting. In the building. No. You people are nasty out there. It's bad. It's going to be the next strain of COVID. comes from the washers in my building. For sure. It is disgusting. Dog biscuits. It is. Oh, it's like Freddy Krueger's lair. It's disgusting down there. This is Sidebar. We're going to talk a little bit about what's going on in court this week, what's happening in the news, what's happening in immigration and criminal court. What's going on? What is going on in the world? A lot. Yeah. And I've always promised to bring like a fun little update from court. This one's honestly, well, they're never actually fun. It's usually horrifying. I know, but they're, Maybe not, but they're always kind of interesting. Yeah. Is this like a sad – but is this a sad one? Okay. So, a reality show wants me to go on and be a psychopath that I am. Please don't. No, I'm doing it. Please do not do that. I absolutely have to do it. No. Are you really going to do it? Well, I haven't signed anything yet and like we're not there yet, but like – Don't do it. The casting director for a different show that I said no to asked me for like legal advice on how to sue the network. the network that they were trying to get you to come on during the casting process the casting director and i'm going to be so vague when i say this was basically like hey so i've got like an issue with a contract with my manager and i was like oh my god are you seriously asking you're trying to get me on the show and you've got legal issues that were do you want to know what this reminds me of do you want to know what this reminds me of Remember that time you were working someplace and you hated it and you tried to get me to come on and work. We're not talking about this. No. I worked at a small nonprofit. And he was unhappy. And I was there for like six months. And he missed me. And I tried to recruit Melissa with a huge salary, benefits. And then I went and I talked to the person. And she hated it. I hated the person. And then I almost nearly hated him. It was a teeny tiny nonprofit. Oh, my God. It was crazy. It was awful. And I didn't realize yet that I wanted out so bad. And I was like, oh, what's going on is I didn't like or know anyone. No, no, no, no, no. You knew right away. You did. And then you tried to get me to go be with you. Misery loves company. What do you expect from me? That's fucked up. I wouldn't do that to you. So tell me more about this person. Oh, it was OK. We moved on and I withdrew from that casting. No, no, no, no. But does the person still need your help? Yeah. Are you going to help them? I might. I'm thinking, I'm considering it. Are you going to help them because? So basically, I do this a lot when it comes to like people asking for legal advice. I kind of kick it back and I'm like, okay, do these three things, send it to me. And then I'll start working on it just to do like a proof. Sometimes it's really easy to just like DM me and be like, hey, blah, blah, blah, blah, I need help. So I usually like refer back with like a couple of questions just to like proof of concept. this person is actually like gonna do the work and follow up and answer my questions because that's like, you know, dialogue between you and your attorney is so important. So I kind of did that. I pushed back and was like, this is what we kind of need from you. But I do think it's wild that somebody who tried to get you to come over to their camp now wants to do the camp. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Oh, definitely. That's wild. Why would you do something like that? It was sort of like, wow, maybe you're the problem. Probably. Did you get the sense that the person is okay or not okay? What was your feeling about the person? Yeah. I can't say. Okay. I think we know what that means, friends. I went to Dave & Buster's during my... I had an hour between court and I was in Midtown. And I went to Dave & Buster's because I was like, I'm bored. I want to play some video games. Did you do that? Yeah. Oh, I loved it. When was the last time you were in Dave & Buster's? The last time I was in David Wester's was a year ago. Oh, well, okay. And I saw a man get stabbed. And he died. Oh, my. I was going to laugh. I started to laugh. And then you said he died. Okay. Well, you can laugh at this part. I found out through my chiropractor. I didn't realize he died. And it's a shared chiropractor that Melissa and I have both gone to. Oh, oh, oh. And we can't get into that. Nope, nope, nope. But she messaged me and was like, I saw you posted from Dave and Buster's. Did you see that that man died? A guy got stabbed there and died. And I was like, really? How did the chiropractor know? They just found out about it in the news? I posted. I guess they found out on the post. It was on TMZ or something. Okay, okay. And I was like, oh my God, I was there. I saw that man go down like a sack of shit. I thought it was like a fight. And I was like playing the basketball game I was there I lived it You survived Give a t That going to be the YouTube clip is I lived it The Times Square stabbing at Dave and Buster's. First mistake was being in Times Square on the first place. Oh, I know. And like it really had no business being there. But it is the nearest Dave and Buster's to my lifestyle. Okay. Perfect day for me. David Buster's Taco Bell. And a stabbing. And a little stabbing. And a little stabbing. There's actually a difference between a stabbing and a slashing, and we can get into it. Yeah, that sounds... But statutory, you have to be clear as a reporter and as a lawyer and a prosecutor that this was a slashing, not a stabbing. That makes sense. I saw this. Yo, it was a stabbing. Not a slashing. He got stabbed. What have I said? Nothing fucking good happens in Times Square. That's what I say every time. She says... I said that. Decent people have no business in Times Square. No business in Times Square. Decent people. decent folk we're not nope no it is true nothing good nothing good happens I mean and listen for people who are coming to New York to our fair city sure sure sure but real New Yorkers do not go to Times Square it's so busy it's congested the food is overpriced and not that good yeah if you want to buy a dime bag from the people in the like costumes that take photos you don't even need you don't even need to buy a dime bag from anybody anymore go to a dispensary what are you going to a dime bag for isn't it all like marijuana dust that's how like not cool i am dime bags 1997 you're going to get a dime bag ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police welcome to boys and girls the podcast where dating isn't dating arranged marriage is basically a reality show, except the contestants are strangers and your entire family is judging. You're sipping coffee with one maybe, grabbing dinner with another, and praying your karmic Ken or Barbie appears before your shelf life runs out. Trust me, I've been through this ancient and unshakable tradition. I jumped in, hoping to find love the right way, and instead I found chaos, cringe and comedy. And now I'm looking for healing. Boys and Girls dives into every twist and turn of the arranged marriage carousel. The meet awkward, the near misses, the heartbreak, and let's not forget all the jokes. Listen to Boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This season on Dear Chelsea with me, Chelsea Handler, we've got some incredible guests like Kumail Nanjiani. Let's start with your cat. How is she? She is not with a thing. Okay, great, great, great way to start. So this is a great beginning and hopefully you'll be able to, I don't know, maybe you will cry. Amanda Seyfried. Life is so short. If you feel something like that, you have that fire in you for this experience. It's not for a guy. It's for the experience of being in love and like it's bigger than a guy. Elizabeth Olsen. I love swimming naked so much. And I know you love taking pictures of yourself naked. I love to be naked. I just want to be in my brown underwear all the time. Ross Matthews. You know what kids always say to me? Are you a boy or a girl? Oh, my God. All the time. That's so funny. I know. So I'm always like, hi. I try to butch it up for kids, you know, so they're not confused. Yeah, but you're butching it up. It's basically like Doris Day. No, I turn into Bea Arthur. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, it's me, Anna Sinfield from The Girlfriends, the number one hit true crime show that puts women right in the center of their own stories. I'm back with more one-off interviews with some truly kick-ass women on The Girlfriends Spotlight. I want to introduce you to Sylvia. I'm going to climb this. And then there's Vaisaka. Let's see how we can stop killing and save lives. Leila dared to ask the question. Is badness hereditary? And finally, we'll meet Rosamund. If it wasn't for the year where Ella lived, she wouldn't have died on that fatal night. You'll even get to meet my mum in that one, who I can always count on to keep my feet on the ground. I'm not too intimidated by her. What are you talking about? Listen to the Girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm so excited. We're going to be joined by my close friend, Kira, who is an art content creator and the incredible face and voice behind the art revival. Hi. Hi. Welcome, Kira. Yay. Welcome, Kira. Yay. We're excited that you're here. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you so much for joining us. We're really excited. I thought it'd be great to include Kira on this episode because we're going to be talking a lot about art law, all the weird things that happen in museums and galleries. As you all know, I do have some like deep lore before I was a criminal lawyer and an immigration lawyer that I worked at art galleries as an art lawyer. And Kira, I think we've connected on this a little bit. We haven't. Well, buckle up because I've seen some crazy shit. Strapping. And the NDAs have expired. Really? No, I wasn't under NDA. But I do have some cool stories, some crazy stories and things that happened. But I thought it would be great to include you in this episode so we could talk a little bit about your work. I think we should play a quick clip of one of Kira's videos just so you get a sense of what she does on the internet because it's so fun. This painting comes with onions. Wow. Tomina Matsukawa is a master of light. And look at these leaves. What is that? Parsley? Wait, so how did you get into the art world? You make these cool videos. you go to what seems like a gallery like multiple a day i'm waiting for you to like run out of art shows to go to like i follow your videos and i watch them and i'm like how does i didn't realize that there was this much fucking art in the world yeah so much it's amazing yeah especially in new york there's so much like i can't see it all that's that's crazy really yeah there are so many galleries it's insane and then not even galleries there's like museums and public art and just yeah everything happening i had like a e pray love moment a couple years ago where i was like every week i'm gonna take 30 minutes and go to a gallery because i live near chelsea like it's easy for me to just walk into a gallery and just like see what's up and i was like looking for inspiration i was sort of at like a a moment in my life have you ever been in one of those moments melissa i'm always in that moment i'm always in a moment she lives in that moment and it was fun though i to like force myself to go to a gallery because there are so many and it changes over so quickly right um is there anything that's sort of like going on in the art world right now that's like kind of exciting that you really want to talk about or something that just like really piqued your interest so you mentioned chelsea and have you seen the giant pigeon yes oh my god i was just looking at the giant pigeon that's great i literally just looked at the giant pigeon yeah So that's not like a new thing, but it is leaving, I think, next year. It's amazing. So if you're visiting New York, if you're watching this on YouTube, throw up a photo of the giant pigeon, CJ. Sometimes I don't want to see a little pigeon, but I did see the big pigeon. It's amazing. It's so cool. It's hand-painted and it's beautiful. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize that. It's like a legit thing. Wow. And it's gorgeous and it's so cute. And yeah, it's just magical. That's incredible. I feel like I want to take this moment to tell people, instead of going to Times Square, go look at the giant pigeon. We were just talking about Kira. You weren't here. We were just talking about Times Square. You weren't here, but we were talking about Times Square. How nothing good happens in Times Square. And how much I personally, as a native New Yorker, hate Times Square. And I bet there's no art there either. There actually is art in Times Square. And they put, they have a, there's actually a Times Square art situation. It's not a Vodavid Buster's, is it? No, but they light up all of the billboards in Times Square. They'll work with an artist. Oh, wow. And for a minute during midnight, they'll project crazy stuff. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. That's actually cool. That's kind of cool. And then they had an amazing artist, Thomas J. Price, who creates these monumental people. And they had his sculpture of this black woman in Times Square. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. I did see that. I saw your review of it. That's right. That's right. That was really cool. It was horrible being there. Well, in Times Square, because there's so many people recording it. It was like, oh my God, I'm going to die. But it was great. Okay. I went to Times Square for, there's like the Times Square Alliance had like a party on New Year's and I got invited. And it was actually really cool because they like cordoned off part of the street just for like people at this party. So it was like this like empty part of Times Square in the middle of New Year's Eve, which was actually really fun. So that was fun to be there for that. Yeah. But I think, I don't know, public art is so interesting because of the ways in which like People relate to it in the way they treat it. Do you remember the video that connected Ireland and the US? Yes. And people started doing obscene things in front of me. I had to take a tent to cover it up. Yeah, people can't help themselves, right? People can't help but expose themselves in the middle of the Flatiron District. I think that's really true. How did you decide that art was going to be your thing? At what point in your life did you realize that this is really important to me? As a baby, you know? I know. Sorry, just like real quick. So my mom is an artist. And so I grew up like around art, going to museums, going to exhibitions. And like, it was always a very fun thing. So I just always loved art. Are you an artist? No. I'm not. I do like little silly crafts here. Well, I don't want to say a little silly. No. Crafting. I take my crafting very seriously. Oh my God. Yes. I'm just saying I'm not like looking at my work and I'm like, oh my God, that's amazing. But my mom is and it's all Christmas presents. um but you're still making paintings for your mom yeah no she's she's literally like you need to give me like a handmade gift oh i love that that's really cute it's not because she puts so much pressure on me you know and i'm just making something for my mom you know but i'm like oh my god it has to be perfect and oh to answer your question and to make art for another artist okay that is actually i'm not cooking for a chef you don't want you don't want what I can do. And it's my mom. You know what, though? I've heard chefs say that that's a pain point for them, that nobody wants to cook for them, and they just want to be asked over to someone's house. You know what? You chose this life if you're a chef, and you need to get the fuck over it. I'm sorry. Oh, my God. You're harsh. No one forced you to learn how to slice like that perfectly. Anyway, back to your mom. Yeah, so she's an artist. What kind of art does your mom do? She's mixed media. She's a chef. mixed media and watercolor okay i think i think that's why i'm not an artist because at the age of like six i'm drawing nothing and she's drawing a body and i'm like oh i can't do that and i'm a perfectionist so i'm like i suck you know even though she's like whatever 30 something um so yeah i'm not an artist i love art i really i love art yeah yeah clearly clearly if you're you know spending your days traipsing around the city to like look at it and also to share it with other people. I go to Times Square. Wow. To see it. Okay. So on TikTok, you covered a story of Kershia Cashel, who was a women's only art lounge and was sued for discrimination. I wanted to bring you on to talk about this today because dealing with civil rights laws and Title IX and how these laws are enforced and how discrimination cases sort of make it to a courtroom and how they're sort of enforced around the country was just like very interesting. to me So when I heard about this I actually heard about it from your video I thought it would just be cool to sort of get into it So could you tell us a little bit about that situation Like what actually happened that precipitated a discrimination lawsuit against an artist who was having a women only sort of lounge Can you sort of share with us also like what kind of art does Kershaw do? Like what's her medium? Well, so she is not necessarily, she's more of like a performance art. She's just like an artsy person. Gotcha. But before the art lounge, she actually faked a Picasso. So let me tell you about the art lounge first. Okay. So at the Mona, which is a museum in Tasmania, who her husband actually owns the museum, she was like, I want to make a woman's only art lounge. And it was this fabulous velvet green area. And she had great art there, world-renowned art. And only women or people identifying as women could come in and see the art. So this man came in, bought a ticket to the museum, and was like, I want to go to the women's only lounge. And they were like, no. He sued for discrimination. He won. And then she appealed. And the whole thing was kind of crazy because she had all these women, like 30 or 20 women, 20 or 30 women, in suits. Here she created this women's only art lounge. A man named Jason Lau sued her for discrimination. And the court ended up ruling in Lau's favor. And they walk into court, and they're like dancing. and it's like it's a whole thing oh that's so cool but then she gets up on stage well gets up on the yeah like the lectern like i don't know i don't know i don't know in tessania what the court would sort of look like i know they wear wigs and she basically says that that that the purpose of the art lounge was to discriminate against men because women have been discriminated for centuries okay so like if you are watching this and you are doing that please don't admit to discrimination in open court in defiance of your attorney. I would, that would be so treacherous for yourself. If I were your lawyer representing you and you, no. No, no, no, no, no. I was, no, no, no, no, no. Melissa's not objecting. Melissa's wondering though, I wonder, since she is a performance artist, could that be considered performance art, right? Sure, yeah. There was some thing that she, that it was like law 57 or 56, But it said that certain groups who have been discriminated, like people of color or women, can discriminate if it leads to more equality. It's something like that. Interesting. So there are some similar laws in the US where you can technically – there was a big question on the bar exam when I took it that you can technically break the law and advise your client to break the law in very specific situations if it is to prove that a law is specifically unjust. It's like a very narrow sort of definition. Like you can't do it to prove that like robbing is okay. Like you can't tell them like go for it. I can't pick your pocket. Yeah, like you can't tell them to go for it. It's like a very specific sort of, I guess, technically crimes that you can break the law and commit the crime in order to then go on and have standing in front of certain courts to then try your case. So she didn't win initially. She lost. The guy won. Yes. Right. And what happened then? Was that at that point, did they sort of close the exhibition at the, I'm sorry, the library, but at the museum? Or did they allow men to attend? So when he won, the judge was like, open the lounge to anybody. And she was like, no, thank you. So they closed it down completely. Gotcha. And then she won her appeal and then she was allowed to open it up again. And then she opened it up and then she got on stage. Well, she had a little interview and she was like, I want to thank the man. His name is Jason Lau. I want to thank Jason Lau so much for suing me because you basically show that like women are better than men. The men can keep appealing. And this is what Kersha has to say to them. We'll see how the men take it. The men are a little hysterical. I'm a bit concerned. They're troubled by the power of women. and then she's like any man that wants to work in the lounge uh can apply to be a butler oh my god that is to serve women yeah i love that actually but about the picasso oh yeah there was this she forged she's a picasso yes in the lounge there was like actual art like i forgot who the art is but cool art you know uh but she was in the lounge and she was like i need a picasso and she even is quoted by saying that a lot of her friends have picasso so she's like i could get a Picasso, but I wanted a green Picasso because everything's in the lounge. In the lounge is green. So she painted her own green Picasso. And that's cool. Pretended like it was real. And then it was, it came out that it was fake. And then she was like, guys, I've been waiting for you. She sounds so cool. She's amazing. She sounds so fun. Yeah. So the whole point of her painting the Picasso was... To be found out. To be found out. Gotcha. And then, does anything happen? I mean, I'm assuming that something could only happen if you tried to sell it as a real Picasso. Oh, I don't think, yeah. She probably wasn't prosecuted. She didn't forge it. No. She was never She made it up. She basically made up a whole thing. If she was like charging admission to go in and see the Picasso, claiming it was. Wasn't she? No, it's probably entry to enter the lounge. Yeah, right. No one was paying to enter the women's lounge. Gotcha. Interesting. Yeah. And then actually the Picasso Foundation responded and they were like, it's all right. Okay, this is the current update with Kersha Cashel, the woman who thanked to Picasso. The Picasso Foundation have given their consents about the forged Picasso. So they say, while we can only regret the situation and the current overexposure, we believe that this matter is now closed. Oh. So everything's alright. So the only person that's ever been upset with her is that one man. The one man. Yes. Typical. I love that. I like a sick man being like, there's one place I'm not allowed. I'm gonna freak out and I'm gonna sue over it. Like, that is so stupid. Is this a natural quote? The men are acting a little hysterical. They may appeal, but they're not appealing to me. I love that. That is great. That's great. Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police? Welcome to Boys and Girls, the podcast where dating isn't dating. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show, except the contestants are strangers and your entire family is judging. 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So this case was actually a federal case because it involved like multiple states. Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, North Dakota. Actually, I bet there's probably like one incredible art museum in North Dakota. Probably. The one? The one. But we don't know. People of North Dakota. People of North Dakota, please comment and correct us. Yes, let us know. Correct us. I know that we got it wrong. I've never been. Never been. I'm sure it's beautiful. It's probably really great. I'm sure it's really great. No, I'm sure it's gorgeous, actually. Very nature-y. And which one's where those four heads are? Those guys, it's like they've got the four dudes. They're like all the presidents, the dead ones. Oh, the Rushmore? Yeah, yeah. Mount Rushmore. That's in North Dakota, I think. I don't know. Fact check. Fact check me. Comment below. Fight me in the comments. You know, Trump wants to have his – did you hear that? That Trump wants to have his head chiseled into next to Lincoln. I'm sorry. Okay. so like i know my i know my ankles like we have these cameras set up like very specifically for my ankles i would never if i had those ankles i would never be like let's memorialize this in the side of a fucking mountain so i'm sorry okay but you are i am like pretty snatched like i'm not like i'm six seven like i'm i'm not like oh i'm a ten put my face on a mountain and like i'm me but like the president saying that but he but okay but he's not looking at himself like the rest of us are looking at him he's got all kinds of rose i mean he's not looking at himself at all he's unconscious half the time like i think there's like a diminished capacity no i think i actually think that this man is looking at himself and he's just like yeah this is no put this on a mountain put this on a mountain you know what mountain no no no no put this on a stamp he wants what color is the mountain is it like an orange hue or is it no it's not it's like I was going to say it might actually work. No, no, no, no. It's like, I think it's like white chisels. It's like a stony white mountain. Yes. Gray. Yeah, grayish. Yeah, like an eggshell. Yeah. I wonder if the people of North Dakota are upset about this. Is it really in North Dakota? It might be South Dakota. It's in the Dakota. One of the Dakotas. We should just see it. I would go. Brief recess on the road. Join us next week. Yep. Road trip. But they stole all these different artworks from different establishments. So one was they snuck in through a tent and stole it from the museum because they were having a party And because they stole the paintings in different states it technically invoked the Commerce Clause of the Constitution So Commerce Clause is we going to do like a little audio there. I want to fly in. Okay. Put the Commerce Clause on both my shoulders because I know all about the Commerce Clause because they don't fucking shut up about it in law school. All they talk about is the damn Commerce Clause. So the Commerce Clause is basically the federal government can regulate and has jurisdiction over anything having to do with interstate commerce. So anything that crosses a state line is technically interstate commerce. And it's like this weird part of the law where technically the states and the federal government are always beefing over who's going to tell who to do what. And the federal government over the history of the nation was like, hey, Anytime business crosses the border between states, we take jurisdiction. That's mine, baby. So technically, because they were robbing different states, it was governed by the federal jurisdiction. So they had to go to federal court for these crimes. They were arrested and charged. And Thomas ended up serving an eight-year sentence. So he's currently in jail or in prison. Currently in jail. What's the difference? But this is like one of these, I don't know. I thought it was really interesting. There's like this common trend in art theft where it's almost like kind of sexy the way that like people and the news sort of like deal with art theft. It's sort of like one of these like cool crimes that people are. It's not like, oh, my God, this like awful thing happened. It's like there's sort of like this like. A little bit of like a victimless crime, right? Yeah. Or like it's a crime of like the ultra wealthy. Yes. And like we don't feel too sad about it. I thought it was cool from a cultural perspective of the way that people are going to be treating this case. People really tune in because you're right. It is like a victimless crime. It feels that way. It does feel that way. Are there other stolen looted art situations that you know about that you want to talk a little bit about? Recently, there was a Nazi looted art situation. Oh, right. Yeah, I heard about this. He was a man very close to Hitler, got this artwork by Fra Galgario. That's the artist. And it's called Portrait of a Lady. Oh, yeah. And then it passed hands and it went to his financial advisor and then it went to his daughter. And she's been living in Argentina. And for 10 years, these journalists were trying to get it and they could not. Did they know where it was? They couldn't. No, they didn't know. They couldn't find it. Right. They didn't know where it was. They just thought that she had it. And this is like a huge problem. Like Nazi looted art was just sort of like blasted around the world. Like Hitler had like a really systematic, we talked about it in law school, he had like a systematic way in which he was like looting museums, galleries, people's homes, and sort of like appraising and then redistributing the artwork as an asset to people in his circle. Yeah. Yeah. And the artwork was stolen from this art dealer. So yeah, he had thousands of his work stolen. Oh, wow. Anyway, so over 10 years, they were trying to find this artwork. And this journalist, in a last-ditch effort, he shows up to the house of this woman. He knocks on the door. She doesn't answer because she hasn't answered for 10 years. And then in the yard, there's a for sale sign. And he gets back in his hotel and he's like, let me look up the real estate. Let's say. And then above the couch is the painting. Yeah, we talked about this. It was just in a- That was the one that I told you about. The person found it in Zillow. Like they were looking at, they were looking for a house. I didn't realize it. I didn't realize it was that. Yeah. That situation. But it was on the Zillow ad of the house. The art that had been stolen by the Nazis had been living in this woman's house for years. Yeah. Yeah. And so he called in all the proper people. They like raided the house and it was missing. And in its place was this like tapestry of horses. And then they put these people on house arrest and they were like, listen, you have this thing. And they're like, my God, we don't. Imagine being that tapestry of horses are just the understudy for the real star. And you've got to go on in this moment. Just out here with your feelings. Everyone's watching you. And you're like, everyone showed up to see the star. And you're just like a crusty old tapestry. But it could have been a really cute tapestry. We don't know. We don't know. Yeah. Thank you for protecting the identity. Yes, yes, yes. Because we don't know it could be a fiercer right textile artist. So the people, the woman and her husband were, you know, all the law stuff, prosecuted or whatever. and now they're in big trouble oh oh the painting so yeah where is the painting it's been found when the people got on house arrest and then they were like and then they tried to like sell it to yeah they were like can we sell it and they were like no you're in trouble so then they just gave it up now they're like gonna be prosecuted for like forgery not forgery for what? I have it but let me ask you this though so the way that the painting came into their hands was that it had belonged, not belonged, but the father of the woman had stolen it. Well, this head Nazi official got it from, well, stole it from this art dealer. Correct. And then he gave it or somehow his financial advisor got it. Right. And then he died and it went to the daughter. Right. Oh, okay. So do we know for sure that the daughter knew the origin of that painting? No. but she went and gave it over and they contacted her for 10 years yeah gotcha okay yeah so probably you had like the opportunity kind of at that point you had the chance to do the right thing and you did it and you hit it and you hit it like that's weird a little sus yeah but yeah and there is a law in the books in argentina about how like being in possession of stolen goods is technically a crime but um you know we have two things are needed for every crime mens rea and actus rea. So you need the mental state to commit the crime, but also a physical act too. So this would be the physical act of concealment. And then the mental state would be the knowledge of this being stolen. I guess I suppose if, I mean, obviously she hid it, so she probably did sort of know, but I wonder if, if I go to an estate sale, right? Cause that's what I do. No, no, no, no. But, but I buy a piece of art that I like and I hang it in my home. and I paid $5 for it at a garage sale or something, I could very well not know that it was stolen. And then if somebody finds it and they say, hey, this is a stolen piece of art, and I say, well, I bought it at a garage sale. Yeah, it's the opportunity to remedy. So if you're given the opportunity to make it right, there are a couple of different lawsuits where I think the The first one was actually a celebrity and she had a stolen artwork that was looted by the Nazis. And she was sued for it, but there wasn't really the legal case law precedent. She was kind of the first. It was like in the 70s or 60s. You're looking at me like I was there. No, I didn't. No, I was just like, oh, no. You said the 60s and 70s and you gave me a look like, do you remember it from first hand knowledge, Melissa? Go fuck yourself, Michael. Anyways, thank you for joining us, Kira. This may be my last recording. anyway but right so i'm just curious what what would happen to somebody like that she bought it but we're not we're assuming that she didn't know what she was yeah they wouldn't just like you know show up and arrest her for possession of it but given an opportunity to sort of remedy the situation before seeking to press charges or prosecuting or arresting this person i mean you'd be given the opportunity to remedy, which is actually kind of unusual for these types of crimes. If you rob a store, we have to make sure that this person actually has the requisite mens rea, the mental state, and that they actually knew what they were doing when they committed the crime or were in position of the stolen goods. So it sort of invokes property law and also criminal law. So it's kind of a cool one. But thank you for joining us, Kira. Thank you for coming and being a part of under oh thank you for telling us more about your work plug your socials where do you want everyone to follow um it's called the art revival and you can follow on instagram and tiktok and youtube oh and facebook give her a follow because she really does pump out of all these videos it's really incredible especially if you're like not going to art exhibitions that often but you do love art it's a great way to sort of like get to see what's happening in the art world while also not leaving your home. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. I learned so much. I feel like I'm like a lawyer now. Okay, but please don't practice a lot of adolescence. That was so cool. I love talking about just sort of like the provenance and art getting sort of like spread around the world and like the stories that now, you know, the grandchildren and the great grandchildren of sort of having to repatriate art back to the original owners. It's really interesting. Super interesting. I loved having her on. Thank you for listening to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Melissa Malbranch. Don't forget to submit a question for next week, and we'll see you in court. This has been an Exactly Right production, recorded at iHeart Studios, hosted by me, Michael Foote. And me, Melissa Malbranch. Our producer is CJ Ferroni. This episode was edited by Nicholas Gallucci. Our associate producer is Christina Chamberlain, and our guest booker is Patrick Kottner. Our theme song was composed by Tom Breifogel with artwork from Charlotte Delarue and Manessa Lilac with photography by Brad Obono. 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