Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches | EP 175

The question on the week is, and y'all gotta answer this. Oh, I love this. Come on. What is your favorite Jamest Winston quote? Favorite Jamest Winston quote? How lucky are we to be here and cleave it on Ohio on this beautiful day. Come on, you kidding me, man. So happy and grateful to play in some snow. Bro, it just makes me f*** crack up every single time that's the best. Yes, man. I was happy I was able to represent for y'all sitting. Let's go. Come on. What's Jamest Winston's favorite Jamest Winston quote? Let me ask me. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights. You're a wonder show brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. God, I love these some Reese's that I love me some Oreo. So put the two together and you got one of my favorite combinations. And one of your guys is the favorite combinations of the Kelsey brothers. How about that? Wear your hose. I'm Travis Guzzas, my big brother, Jason Kelsey. 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That is Kelsey Clubhouse, baby. Yeah. Check it out. Are there any boyfriend whistles for sale? Yep. Do we have any whistles yet? What about one-hole straws or two-hole straws? It's, we're brewing this thing up. All right, now let's talk prostander. One of our first big brand collabs of the Kelsey Clubhouse is prostander Jake. You got some in the mirror. Why don't you come on in here, buddy? Mattle it off. Just check it out. Look at this. First modeling jig. Ooh. Look at this. We got this hoodie is nice. This is nice. This is nice. We got a nice wash. Great. Look, we got the t-shirt here, too. Jason, you were saying you like the textures. We got like a raised logo here. Ooh. Little bubbly. The bubble letter. I was wearing this earlier. It's so comfy. It's unbelievable. So I love it. Great job. This is maybe the highest quality thing. We've ever put out in the store. This is this collab is for the people. I love it. They're nice. They're nice. 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We've heard you guys, you guys like representing the show. Nine two percenters are freaking fearless and relentless in the pursuit to express their 92 percent of this. And this is what the shop does. And it's also going to, again, we want this to be a communication thing. We want to build this thing together. We love having the note on questions, fan mail, like all the things that you guys do. The new collabs. And we love hearing from you guys on what you guys think. We're pumped. And make sure you check out Kelsey Clubhouse.com for new surprises every single week. And welcome to the club 92 percenters. Hey, you. Did you want to do a dunk update before you were happening news? I mean, I think it's funny. I'd like to hear, I'm genuinely curious of Travis things I can do it. You look legit as fuck. I look legit. Yes, look at that. You are up there. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to dunk other than you probably can't palm a basketball. I definitely have to palm it. You can palm a basketball. Well, I can palm it, but I can't contain it through a violent movement like jumping and trying to dunk a basketball. So this is my question. I can get high enough now. I feel like using my arms as momentum. What's the technique of running and jumping with a basketball that allows me to build this? This is why this is why you see a lot of kids like throw the alley. You can get it to right there and right there by the rim and then they just flush it. Right here looking at you palm this fucking volleyball. It's great. You can't do a basketball like that. I can. The problem is I lose it at the top. It's that that finger isn't it. That finger's not helping. That's not helping. It isn't it. My dead, my dead knuckle. Damn it, man. Dude, you look explosive. It looks like you got the footwork down right. It's just I don't think you could. Then I saw you do it at the end of your dude. I got my weight lift and build on. Did you see that? Take that fucking thing off. I'm trying to apply more force with the bill. So you lost about a foot of of airtime. If that was a bad rep, we didn't show the ones that look good on there. We're trying to build suspense here, but I'm very close. You didn't even get to the rim Jason. Mike didn't want to show the good one. All right. I don't know what you want me to tell you. He showed the bad one. I'll take it. The weight belt. I'm not sure if it was beneficial or not. I got all sorts of gadgets I'm going to try and use to get my fan ass up there. A weight belt is not it. Well, you have to apply more force. No, we have to apply more force. You have to be able to use those hips to sink. I don't know. I'm going to try a squat suit. I'm trying to squat suit this week. I'm going to get my fan ass up there. You're not even going to touch the fucking rim. Dude, it's like a rubber band. Leave the other not be able to jump high. It's not a rubber band. It's literally restricting your hips. Yeah. Well, listen, I'm not trying to actual dribble and do function. Oh, you're trying to jump higher. You need those things. You need those things fluid so you can fire right now. That's good for a standstill movement. That's not good for what about knees. What about knees? No, you don't need these. God, my knees hurt. They might be able to provide balance. That's what what about get those outer hips going. That's how you save the knees, man. Get the outer. Should I take the tights off? Should I take the tights off? No, the tights are fine. Tights aren't doing anything. Okay. All right. The first half of this video is very legit though. So I'll give you your props. I think you might, you're close to getting way closer than I thought you thought. Yes. You bring it in all these fucking belts and fucking braces. How high do you think I jump on the vertic? Not just standing and just running and jumping. Running and jumping on a vertic? No, no, no, no. I'm just talking about what height do you think I'm reaching? I'm looking at you getting like a hand. Not the vertical. A hand length over the rim. So it looks like you're probably jumping like a 10, 5, 10, 6. Two, 10, 8. Two inches. Two inches, man. Two inches, man. Two inches, man. Two inches, man. Two inches. You're not important to inches this. Come on now. Create life with two inches. Yeah, fuck. If I had two more inches, I'd be fucking. I'd basically be important start at that point. I mean, if I can. All right, man. So how long did it already start? Did the months start? Are we the whole month of January? We have two weeks, sir. All right, so get this done. January 29th, I'm Duncan at a Sixers game. That's going to be the day that I'm going to try and do this. Have, have, are during one of the timeouts? I honestly, I don't know. I just know it's only 29. 29th, I think. Dude, fucking. That's how you sell some fucking tickets right there. Well, I just, I figured I'm going to try and do this for the first time. And, you know, we're going all in. It's either going to be maximum celebration and energy at the first time I've ever done this. Or Philly, we literally feel you off the fucking cover. It's going to be public shame. It's going to be public shame, which I'm all in. Either way, I'm going to feel something. Uh, man. Uh, anyways, Pat wraps up new news. New news is brought to you by Hills pet nutrition. Get into some super wild card weekend that we just experienced. A man was it action pack. You have a bunch of fucking great matchups. We did, we did, we did. But let's start off with some bold topics that are brought to you by Intuit Turbo Tax. That's right. Here we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. There we go. We're getting close to the tax season. So, uh, yeah, don't forget that, you don't know, I'm knocking it to door. Uh, it's telling them that you owe them. So, um, nice best wild card weekend since last, wild card weekend is playing on football. Maybe you fucking kidding me, we had four games decided by four points or less, that's right. It's a good game. We had a fouls tighter than it's ever been. In terms of the wins, losses. Yep. Don't have to get into how many, once-cord games I lost this year. The 12th, fourth quarter lead changes in the first four games set up in all-time playoff record. How about that 12th, fourth quarter lead changes? That means teams are coming up big on offense and side of the ball. And going back and forthman and, God, it does create some fucking magic, man. It's been wild. The fourth quarter lead changes have made them extra exciting at the end of them. The Bears game alone. That's the one that stands out. I mean, what's insane. Soldiers feel getting a fucking dumb. They're goddamn it, dude. That place looked like it was absolutely rocking. Are there two teams that hate each other right now more than the Bears of Packers? I don't know. It doesn't seem like a deal. You know when they really hate each other is when the fucking two coaches, you can't hide it. It's not palpable. Yeah. Like normally coaches, I'm so used to coaches. I kind of love it. I'm used to coaches like, oh no, you know, we got a lot of respect for these guys. We don't want any bulletin board material. These guys are talking shit before the game. They're the handshake submit field is petty. I mean, this shit was, look at the fuck. Look at that side. She's loved that shit. I very, very loved it. It's so fucking, I don't even know what to say about it. It's crazy. Love where it's gotta be fucking pissed. They'll look at his face. That's tough, but the Bears have been doing what the Bears have been doing, man. Those fourth quarter surges and like we were kind of talking with James later in this episode, man. Some quarterbacks just have that ability to just fucking flip that switch and they get into that mode of where, you know, I don't have to think about this. This is do or die. I have to throw this ball. I have to make this play. And Caleb Williams came up fucking the huge game with some highlights that we'll remember forever. We should just rename Mr. Caleb, Dr. Williams or something. Like Mr. Williams, Dr. Caleb. Oh, I'm just checking on hide. What he was in the first half and what he is, it's certain times where it feels like he should be easier. And then all of a sudden at the end of games when it has to happen, he makes some of the most insane throws I've ever seen in my life. It's like he just, and it feels like it's been like this all year. He just, he feels it out. He feels it out. He feels it out. It's just like, all right, I know it's going on now. And he's just, like, he just shows up. And, I mean, it was that that fourth down where he threw the fucking, like, off the ground, threw it going left, crazy fucking, yeah, it seems that, like, literally, the game is virtually over if you don't make that, because you're, you're, the packers are in scoring position, again, already. And it's like, man, just an absolute epic fucking throw. And to be able to fucking see this and be, like, Oh, yeah, he's open. I can put it somewhere he can catch it. Yes, fuck off. Crazy. Like how? And then what is it, a dooze for him to hold on to this fucking ball right here after he turns around? Yes. Big time ball. He gets flopped. He did. He got far and shlomped. The Eagles got shlomped. Niners 23, Eagles 19. Eagles season is over. Very frustrating game and season for the Eagles. You could tell everybody was frustrated in the Philly man. Everybody that's talking about it, everybody on that team. It just feels like they just couldn't get it clickin, man. And I know there were winning ball games, but you already know, man, when it's not clickin, you got to find a way to get over that hump, man. It just felt like there was always something eerie about what was going on over there this year, man. And it definitely wasn't like that last year. It was fucking, Sequan and the excitement, everybody celebrating in the end zone. We got fucking guys running down field, like running to celebrate with each other. It just felt like there was something off about that Eagles team this year. And unfortunately, it came down to the last play against the Niners, man. And shout out to Kyle Shanahan and those fucking 14 Niners, man. They are proving a year in year out, man. Yeah, I mean, it's probably, I mean, everybody's saying it now. So it's not like it's breaking, but the coaching job Kyle Shanahan's done this year, what they've overcome as a team, what they have on defense, like what Salah has built. They are just a resilient, resilient group and they have fought through all the adversity and they've overcome it and they find themselves in the second round of the playoffs, missing their best players on defense, like two, not just like guys, like this is the best linebacker and best defense event in the league, like arguably. So it's offensively, they don't have their star receiver. I you guys out, Kittle has been in and out just with down again. I love George Kittle. I'm wishing the best for him that sucks football is better when George Kittle is freaking out the field. You know, they missed their quarter, they're starting quarterbacks out for eight games and they go and met Mac Jones functions. It's just that organization is is is doing it right. They have been doing it right for a long time and it's been impressive to watch. As for the Eagles, very, very frustrating season, very, very frustrating season defensively, played great and they, I mean, I know this game, they want some plays back, but all in all, the defense played outstanding all year, they overcame so much, they got better. If you look at the difference of what that defense has paid, I think it's the lowest paid defense in the NFL in their production, it is absolutely insane. And a lot of that's because a lot of those guys are young, players that they have brought in, Vic Fanzio, that entire staff over there, defense has done a phenomenal job, phenomenal job. Offensively has been the thing that everybody's been up and on is about. And I get it, I really do. The expectations should be much higher than what they put out this season. I know I made some comments on Monday night football. I do love Kevin Pettulo. I'm not trying to absolve Kevin Pettulo of blame. Like obviously they let go of Kevin today as the offensive coordinator, well, I guess Tuesday, as you're seeing it yesterday. And of course, like the offense wasn't up to the task this year, it regressed. And the main reason to regress, and I've been saying this from the beginning, was the run game. The offensive lines, inability to stay healthy all together, to open up holes, Sequan Barclay was almost at the NFL record for rushing last year. I wouldn't say. They were incredible in the run game. And the passing game, they struggled last year. I mean, there were, there was all sorts of things happening in the last season that we'd like to forget because we won the Super Bowl. But the passing game has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Now the running game isn't there. Why isn't it there? The offensive line isn't in out there. They're hurt. Guys are overcoming injuries. They're not playing the same way they've played in the past. You have a quarterback that's not running as much. Jalen Hertz, the threat of him running the ball, opens up so much for the running back when they have to truly respect it. And it also opens up things down field. And they never, I know everybody likes to talk about the predictability. And to be honest, yes, I would love to see more creative things. I love watching the trick plays. I love, as much as I didn't love watching it in the game, you know, the trick play to McCaffrey was an awesome play, right? I like watching the creativeness. I like, I would love to see more motions. I would love to see all that stuff. That being said, we had plays to make in that game. I keep coming back to that. When it came, when it comes down to it, not talking about the fourth down play, the 49ers had their opportunities to win the game and we had ours. And we didn't capitalize on ours. We didn't capitalize on the catches and the throws and the penalties that took back big plays. It was similar to how the whole season is gone. So it's a frustrating way to end it. Not that surprising with how they just were never able to get in. A lot of it fixed. That's the, yeah. I don't know where they're going to go offensively. I think sometimes it's when you have success as a group and you have successes and offense, you tend to rely on that. Like, AJ Brown on a slant route has been automatic. For four years, it doesn't matter what you do. Like, it's like, how do you, you can't stop? It's too big. He's too physical. This year, all that stuff just didn't work as well. It would probably be who the Eagles to bring in somebody with a fresh perspective on where it's at currently. When you're in it, you're thinking about what you've done well in the past. You're thinking about how you've had success. It's like, man, I know this guy can do this. I know this can happen. Yeah. When you bring in somebody else, it's like, man, this is where we're at now. And now we can bring in some fresh ideas. We can figure out a way to maximize things. While keeping that nucleus together. Of course. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it needs to be anything actually that drastic. I think we probably want somebody who's been proven offensively. It's a successful coach and he could come in and look at things under a new lens with a lot of similar pieces. Well, the big topic right now is that fourth-ounce call. And we know that Devante missed the pass on that third and 11. They didn't get lined up fast enough for it. They were waiting to see what the defense might have shown to call a timeout and get the right play call going into that fourth-ounce. And they end up going with what everybody's saying online for verticals, which is those of you that don't know football knowledge, it's a play that everybody has ran their entire lives. Like we ran that at heights, that we ran it at Cincinnati, we ran it every offense, it's day one type stuff. And I think that's getting thrown up a too low as like that's not the play call that needs to be called right there. If it works, it is the play call to be had right there. And I think that it's tough because, yeah, it's cover four, that's not the best look versus cover four, but every play that you call has an answer. Yeah. And it's up to those players on the field to be able to make a shake no matter what. And I think it's easy to point fingers at the end of the game when you're on your last dollar, you're on your last play, you're on the, this is your last chance to make it right. Knowing you had a whole fourth quarter, you had a whole four quarters to try and get that win. And it's just, it's, it's a crazy, it's a crazy scenario to end the season on knowing how much fucking talent was over there. That's the thing. It's the highest paid offense in the NFL and they're mediocre across the board. That's what I keep coming down to. The bottom line is this offense didn't live up to what it should have, right? And Patulos, the offensive coordinator, bearers responsibility and so do the players. That's my thing. I don't think the players played as good as they could have. And I love all those guys. And that's just the way it is sometimes. I had my seasons. I damn sure did. And you know, how do they rebound from this? Where do they go from here? There'll be new faces in, there'll be faces that are familiar that are out, you know, in the big with Matulo, the fourth down call gets criticized because I mean, the whole offense was criticized all year. Now, I don't think it's fair to ever just put it on one guy, especially when the passing game. That's where I call bullshit. You can't just throw it on one guy. Yeah, and Jaylon said it after the game. You know, I don't think right now is the time to put it on any one person. Now, listen, he is the offensive coordinator. That is a responsibility. Well, it's not only the call plays, it's also to have the players play well. Like, and that's the mark of all the coaches, right? That's Jeff Stowen, is the best offensive line coach in the NFL. That's his job as you get the offensive line to play well. We didn't play as well as we have in the past. Now, it's also to excuses, like guys were hurt. Like Johnson was out for half of the year, dang near. Like that makes it difficult. Again, I would like to see more creativity. I think the Eagles tried to, they tried to do more underscenders. Like, if you're not going to do the gun runs with Jaylon, you might as well get underneath. Because that's how, that's why the gun runs are successful. He keeps people honest. He's a threat to go run the ball. Okay, now we got to get under center. Now we got to develop play actions. It's hard to develop all that stuff in the middle of the season. And it just, it never got to what it needed to get to. And the offense as a whole, just the players were hurt. Guys didn't play as well. Say, Quantan didn't have the same year because in part the offense aligned wasn't as good. They were banged up. The run game is the main difference from this season to last season. Still a fucking boatload of talent over there in Philly. And we got a boatload of talent. Still left in the playoffs, baby. Yeah, baby. Get to some of the other games in the wildcard weekend. We already talked about that Bill's Jags game, but that Rams Panthers game was just as exciting. A little bit more action on the offensive side. 34-31 Rams in front of the show, Matthew Stafford, what the fucking work. It's so fun seeing that dude play the game, man. How he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and his shoulders and his, just like how he casually goes through progressions as a quarterback in the pocket. It's just fun as hell to watch that guy go to work, man. Especially later in the game when it all counts. Panthers almost pulled it off. And I think that was the bigger story is that the Panthers actually gave the Rams a hell of a fucking fight. That was definitely the story. I thought that the Rams would win this game pretty handily. The Panthers kind of snuck in there. Hats off to Bryce. Put up the 31 points in a wildcard game. He made a lot of freaking big plays. Hell yeah. Yeah, Bryce, Sean continues to just improve and improve and improve. A guy that I think everybody was questioning whether he was going to be a bust or out when he got benched, what two games in the last season. Has re-emerged and man, the Rams defense aren't any slots as man. They got some horses over there. Their front can get after it. So heck of a performance. I know it's not the outcome the Panthers wanted. At this point in the NFC, I do think it's going to come down to the Rams. Seahawks, I think they're the most talented teams left. Seahawks, it'll come down to like if Sam Darnold can deliver, that defense is oh my god. They fly around. They're just so fucking fun to watch them. Now they've got to be ready, though, man. Because I mean, as much as we love to see how that team has played throughout the season and in big moments to feel like they're ready for these big moments. Playoff football is playoff football, man. It is just a different beast. And you got to kind of have an understanding which you're getting yourself into. So it's exciting to see, but Sam Darnold's a crafty vet at this point knows how to win some ball games. And I'm excited to see next week's matchup, man. I am too, man. I think, yeah, Rams, Bears, Freakin, 49ers, Seahawks, both of those games are going to be awesome to watch. And we watched a great game against the Bills and Jax. Jax almost pulled it off. They were like that, that Seattle Jew. They had the Jew, internally. Yeah. And he had the excitement they had, they come up big in big times throughout the season, but playoff football, it just felt like the Bills had a little bit more, I don't know, just had a little bit more of the other day, man. And, you know, I think Josh being in these moments before. Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. Huge part of it, yeah. Yeah. And this is what everybody keeps saying. I mean, I know Josh gets a lot of the attention for the Bills because there's a quarterback and he's the guy that's the biggest name left in the playoffs. But I do, I know they beat the Jax and it's a great win for the Bills. I just, I worry that this defense at some point in that Josh, I mean, the weapons they have offensively outside of the run game and cook, it's not that significant. And like, how much can Josh really get done? Now, they got it done this week. Yes, Jags, I'm always rooting for Josh. I love that guy. But I don't know, we'll see. This would be a big win this week. Through for 308 and got that thing out to damn near everybody on the fucking offensive side of the ball. Nine different builds caught a pass, including Brandy Cooks, who's only been on the roster since November. So he's seeing the field well, man. But what are they going to do against Houston? Make plays. It may make plays, dude. I don't know, man. I just feel like they're going to struggle to get people open. Josh is a big dude and he makes plays as a quarterback. It's just whether it's just breaking an arm tackle, getting out of these sacks. That's huge. Getting out of the pocket, making the defense have to play that extra six seconds. Yeah, I wasn't really talking about this week. I was more just talking about like, if they beat the Broncos, yeah. If they play Houston, they're not going to do anything. Well, the Broncos are so weird, man. Sometimes teams don't forget to sneak up on them. Number one thing is going to sneak up on them. No, I'm saying sometimes teams sneak up on the Broncos. Oh, yeah, here you go. Their defense is really, really good. But every once in a while, it's like, I don't know. Houston's defense is like fucking insane, like a crossover. It's about a legit as it gets right now. And the Broncos are really good as well. That's why it's playoff football, baby. It's the best there is. The best there is. Patriots charges. Not that exciting, but Patriots came out 16-3. Everybody who's looking for Herbert just take that next step, man. Josh the O and three in the playoffs. Huge Herbert fan over here. And he was trying to make plays with his feet, but at the end of the day, he just didn't go well for him. Or a few, what was it? Four downs that they came up short on? They've been so banged up up front. They've lost both of their star tackles. Yeah, he was hit back there. You fucking rock. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. What you want me to do? We've seen him before, but at the same time, it's like, man, he's a fearless competitor. And like I'm Milton Williams is running around unblocked. I mean, they've had to try and overcome that all year. And it's a testament to them to even be here with some of the pieces that they've been missing up front. And how good that defense is as well. Jesse Menor is a lot of credit for what he's built over there as well. And somebody who played both of these teams, what do you think of that matchup? Broncos got a show up in the first half, not that they didn't against us. I'm just saying, like they're notorious right now for finding ways to win at the end again. They have to show up in the first half. It's just you can't win in the playoffs by not by like not putting together four quarters. Unless you're Caleb Boops. I stand corrected. I think the bill's being a veteran team kind of trumps some of that. You got to play all four quarters against the bills. You know, you can't you can't let Josh Allen get up there. He's a he's a tempo controller, you know what I mean? And he'll for sure. And he'll he'll absolutely wear you down as a quarterback, man, both in the past game and run game. And he's starting to make like over the past like three, four years, he's been making the right decision, you know what I mean? I think if the Broncos come out, you know, making plays, bonus comes out throwing the ball down field early, being confident in his read. This is going to be a hell of a fucking game. Yeah. And that's what I'm hoping for. And if you're Denver, man, you got to wrap that dude up, man. You got to find a way to not let Josh Allen get break tackles and get outside the pocket and not only make plays with this feet, but make plays with his arm outside of the pocket because that's when you can really get fucking torched. Well, the other game that we had this past week and the is the Texans sealers game. I was at that one score 30 to six looks waist more severe than what that game was for the vast majority of it, which was a defensive battle between both teams. The Texans are just so loaded across the board. Like Pittsburgh's front is incredible. The Texans like every level that defense has dogs all across it. It does. To me go Ryan's a Matt Burke, the defensive coordinator, have them play physical. If CJ Stroud can stay composed and poised, this team could be the best team in the AC. That's the reality of it. Like last night against Pittsburgh. It's kind of all in his hands right now, man. Dude, I don't want to put it on him. And I think CJ is a great player, but it's like, dude, this is a year. What's I do? Just freaking you got some Horton. You got some guys over there. You got some dogs. Don't make mistakes. You're running back. Ran last night. Holy shit. Yeah, Mark. He's getting down fucking hill. When you got that kind of physical game and you're getting pockets like he was getting man. Yeah. It's all on the big guy, man. And obviously we're huge fans of him. I've had my opportunities to meet the guy. Great guy and great player, even better guy on top of that. He's just, it's all in his hands right now, the way that defense is playing. Listen, it's going to be Texans vs. New England. We're going to see the young quarterback that everybody likes, including me, Drake May, up in New England, face the best defense in the NFL. Yeah. I can't wait to watch this game. I really can't. I, the points are going to be in a premium in this one. I don't know where it's going to go. And it'll be fun to see between CJ and Drake May, who can get it done. I don't know, man. This Texas defense. So that's what I'm the most excited to watch. Even bigger news than the Texans beating the Steelers is Mike Tomlin stepping away. Okay. Tomlin stepping down means the Steelers will retain his trading rights. He was not fired. That's interesting. The most recent coach that was traded was Sean Payton. Yeah. Yeah. He was for a first and second round pick. I, this is all news to me. I forgot coaches were even tradable. Do you remember the, the one that happened in our childhood that I was like that ended up being crazy? Uh, wait for it. You got it. You got it. Wait for it. Another, another guy that did TV for a long time. Bill Cower. No. John Greenham was famously traded from the Oakland Raiders since every buck in years. I did not know that. Then he went back to the Raiders. He won a Super Bowl and then at some point went back. I think it was, I think the trade happened before the Super Bowl, which was from Oakland to Tampa Bay. Pretty sure. Who doing this? Oh, he doing this podcast, Mark. Whoops. Is anybody listening? He was traded. Sorry, it's snacking. He's traded to, uh, the bucks and then met the Raiders in the Super Bowl. Yeah, it was the year after. He went back to the Raiders after. I'm just making sure it was. He did Monday night football for like 10 years and then went back to the Raiders. Yeah, I mean, I don't be interested to see what happens. I'm like, T hopefully it does great in TV, which I'm sure he will because he's unbelievable. Charisma baby. No doubt. Moving to the divisional round, which one you pump to see the most? Bales ad Broncos on CBS. We got the Niners at the Seahawks up there and the Land of the Twelves on Fox. And then Sunday, those are both two Saturday games and then Sunday we got Texans Patriots Rams ad bears on Sunday night football. Yeah, I mean, the game on the most excited for us again, I'm going to actually be at, which is going to be the Texans Patriots game. And I do think it'll be a game that'll be full of excitement. I do, I'm looking forward to May versus this Texans defense to see how he responds and how he operates. He's been incredible. He's been poised. It's going to be hard to be poised against these guys. Two defensive touchdowns against the Steelers, man. The one that I'm not going to that I am excited to watch is Chicago versus other Rams. I think it's going to be an exciting one. I also just like watching both the seams play. Like I like Sean McFae, I like Ben Johnson. I like watching all the design. I like Pukin' N'Kua. I like watching Caleb Williams. I mean, it's, it's a lot of things that will lend itself to just being a fun game to watch. I'm sure. I'm fucking pumped on this Bill's Broncos game. I'm so pumped that it's the first one we get the fucking seed. It's because of CBS on Saturday. Josh and Bo Nix kind of play the game similar in my eyes. You know, obviously two completely different athletes. Bo is, he's every bit of exciting, especially in his early years because he still hasn't reached that pinnacle yet. And this is an opportunity where he can kind of start to cement his name among the best quarterbacks in the league. And I'm fucking, I'm excited to see that matchup. Yeah. That wraps up both topics brought to you by IntuitarboTax. Don't forget to do your taxes. Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week, which is brought to you by HBO Max. Don't miss the new Game of Thrones series a night of the seven kingdoms, premiering this Sunday at 10 PM Eastern on HBO Max. And for my stamp of the week, I'm keeping it in the family. You're not, Mom? Dude, I'm going, Mom, all that you do is this. Oh, yeah. She killed it. She was doing great. I mean, I know she got eliminated, but I was so proud of her, man. She looked like she was having a blast and joined it all. There, and for all of you that don't know, our mother just did traders. And she was the first ever secret trader that the show has ever had. And yeah, showed everybody what she's got. And it was just so cool to see her in this moment. Shout out to my guy, Ron Funches, for sticking by her side and me, kind of, kind of got through for a loop. And kind of, I'm sure he probably felt a little a certain way after he found out that she was the secret trader. But she got eliminated in the early episodes, but, man, it was just so fun to see her out there living out her dream. Given the world a beautiful message about, you know, being fortunate enough to do these things at her age and where she is in life. And it's just so cool to see her live in that moment, man. I agree. No, I thought she would did fantastic. Like, I know she was eliminated, but I think it's, it's really hard to go into those shows as like an outsider that you become like an easy target to try and maneuver in that show. So I thought mom did a great job. I loved watching her in it. I thought she was way more deceitful and devious than I thought mom could ever be, which was surprising. Not too. She stood her ground at the round table. Oh, yeah. And it was just so cool to see. And shout out to everybody on this, this traders. I'm going to stamp some, some kids, because who doesn't love stamping kids that are getting into physicals together? Let's take a look at this hockey fight that's been making the rounds. I'm going to, you guys have seen it, 92%ers, but who doesn't love a good hockey fight to begin with? Oh, look at these kids getting, getting after it in the corner. You, you messed up. You messing with my boy. I love this. Come here. Oh, they go down. Where's the rest? Once they go to the ground, the rest got to get in there. Oh, no. Oh, they're all in the rest. This is amazing. Oh, there are no refs on the ice. What happened? It's just got to be cleared at this point, right? Oh, hey, maker, paymaker, come here. Is anybody using a stick? Good job, kids, don't use a stick. I love how the goalie came in, out of nowhere with the right hooks. He seemed like he was about at the most man. This is so happy. Doesn't it just take you back? Yeah, who doesn't love kids beating the shit out of each other? I mean, that's one of the favorite past times of playing a hockey fight. It's the best, dude, the best point at this, at this age gloves and helmets, those punches aren't fucking doing it. You're not even feeling. So for those of you that don't know what locker box he has, when we play, you would literally go in the locker room, you put your helmet on in your gloves and you would just do this for fun. You're not in the show. Royal rumble. Let's go. We're already sweaty for practice. Let's fucking go. Come out there with a freaking black eye and coach is like, what the hell do we do? Well, we just locker box and coach anytime a goal is getting in, you're getting a stamp of the week, goalie fights are the best. Let's go, baby. There is something electric about just getting into a fight. I love that hockey players just do this. Let's give the people a show. Let's go by guys need some juice. I need to fucking, I need to throw some hands in your, in your, in your the only one. Dude is so epic, man. Fuck, I love hockey. That does it for stamp of the week brought to you by HBO Max. Alrighty. Let's get to some James Winston. I famous James. How lucky are we? Thank you to our presenting sponsor, Reese's. We could have been more thrilled to talk about the new Reese's Oreo Cups. That's right. We're two guys who talk a lot about achieving your dreams. And if you could put our dreams into a candy form, it would probably be those delicious Reese's Oreo Cups. Reese's Oreo Cups deserve to be in the Hall of Fame for candy. Forget candy, Hall of Fame, Reese's Oreo Cups belong in the all time food Hall of Fame Travis. Step aside slice bread. This is a Reese's cup with Oreo cookie crumbs in it. 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This is the next much watch chapter in the Game of Thrones universe. A night of the seven kingdoms, premieres Sunday, January 18th on HBO Max. You're not going to want to miss it. I guarantee they've done it right. I mean, it's HBO Max. It's Game of Thrones. It's going to be epic. There's going to be people dying. People having sex, people cheating on each other people backstabbing each other, conniving individuals and Sir dunk the tall and dragons. Our guest today is a six foot four highs or winning quarterback from Bessom, where Alabama was a first pick in the 2015 NFL draft from Florida State University. Seminole. He's a pro boy BCS national champion and the greatest dub leader. Well, I'll have we're so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed us to be podcasting with the one and only. Yes. The greatest W in the world. No, man, I'm grateful to be here with you. Oh, man, just just y'all, or y'all essence in the fact that y'all y'all are changing coaches and generations as brothers, man, you nine it through y'all. Yeah, work on the field. Y'all work off the field, man. It's truly inspiring. And so thank you. Thank you so much, bro. You have inspired the entire NFL. You are notorious for your speeches for your game. It's, it's been so cool to just see your, your career transpired of where you are today and to see you just like full of life. You know what I mean? This NFL world could beat you up, man. And you just keep, you know, fueling everybody with the energy. And and I just love it, man. I appreciate just who you are as a man. So thank you for, thank you for jumping on here, dog. We about to have some fun, though, man. You told us earlier you're on the Norma text dog is the body feeling good? The body is feeling great, man. I just, you know, one of my, one of my OGs and Kwan Bowler, he always said, it's better to stay in shape and get out of shape than try to get back in it, man. So I'm always standing on top of my body ever since he shared that with me. You got to say, you know, that y'all both in the trenches, you know, I'm saying, I get to sit back and throw the ball because of you. Jason, I get to throw the ball to guys like you. So so y'all in the trenches. So y'all obviously got to stay on top of your body, but it's the least you can do, man. That 1% everyday is so important. I got asked, you catch wildcard weekend this past week. Man, you know, I did. All right. Lot of young quarterbacks, y'all, a lot of young quarterbacks. Who impresses you or who impressed you the most this first weekend? Man, I got to go with, with Drake, you know, it's because like, okay, Josh Matt, they did it in the time when they're supposed to do it. Like they know when the ball is in their hand at the end of the game, you guys are franchise quarterbacks, you have to come through. But I just think the consistency that Drake May has played with this entire year has been impressive. Right? Like especially like his, his office coordinator just got fired last year. Yeah. You know, his head coach, you know, was, was they part of ways a year before and he's coming onto this tour. My brain, boy, I got a chance to spend some time with him and Cleveland. You know, you know, he was from Cleveland. Okay. So I'll, baby, for him to go there, right, with a young quarterback after the year that Drake had the year prior, and to have them in a position that they end now, bro, it's like with all the cloud, the great clouds that's been around that, that team this year and the quarterback still shows up and shows out man and, and gives that team a chance to win against a tough defense now. Like the LL charges is a tough defense. Right. Like, you know, you see a lot of young quarterbacks winning like those, those big games weight over four touchdowns and, you know, but very, very, very, very rarely are you seeing quarterbacks in this iteration. Winning the games were things that ain't going right early. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're playing, he's playing four quarters of football. You know, and that's what it's really about. You know, and they just the splash place here, splash face there, but Drake, name it, he continues to impress me. I love it. I love it. I, you brought something up there. I want to just touch on, you brought up, you know, he's got a new offensive coordinator. How many offensive coordinators have you played for James? One, two, four, four, four to five, man. Yeah. Four to five, maybe six or seven, six seven. No, I need to stop doing that. But a lot, bro, a lot. So you've been in a bunch of different systems. Can you tell when an offensive coordinator is just dealing in a play call? I know what it feels like in the run game where it's like, man, it just feels like it's all clicking. What's that like as a quarterback? Like, can you tell during the week, it's like, oh, we got some, we got some things designed for these guys coming up. Or is it like in the game moment where you're just like, oh, he's rattle them off? I think this is the sense. Like, and I know you guys noticed because they're offensive guys. Like when we go out there and execute the first 15, like, okay, we know, we got them. Like we're supposed to execute that. Yeah. Yeah. What, what, what shows me if we're really dialing it up is when the coach pulls something that was installed in OTAs. And I'm in a hold. I'm just like, give me a right, you know, third-semple, whatever. Yeah. And it hits. Oh, yeah. He is back. I know that one on the install. Yeah. So it's a, it's a feel, right? Like you know when the guy has a feel or if a guy is just like, I'm just calling what's on this play sheet, right? I'm not, I'm not looking at what the defense is actually doing. I'm calling what's on the play sheet. And I think one of the best, one of the best play callers that I experienced was Sean Payton. And he had this feel because he played when he played the position, he played the position. I played with two guys that played like three, three, because Sean, Kendorcy and Byron left which Yeah. And we had some historic era. Yeah, the very historic year. There, but back back to Sean and Byron, they, they had the ability. To sense what was going on, what, what actually was happening in the game, not what we scouted out during the week, you know, not their tendencies, but they saw what the defense was doing. They were able to say, okay, I know what they're doing. We're doing this in the hits. Yeah. You know, and that's a beautiful, beautiful feeling as offense. I could not agree more. I love you saying, you know, rip in a play that isn't on the game play. You haven't practiced always, but you, it's, it's one of those ones that you, you, you rep it in OTAs, you, you should know how to do this against every defense. So it's like, why not? Like you think it's there. Don't waste any time. Who the hell cares was on our second and 10 play calls? Like just for it to rip that one out. One thing I always like when I talk to like office corner is like, why do you see the magvays and people like that that really run the and you reads that run the same play over and over again. And the deepest can't stop it. Yeah. And then you have guys where it's like, well, we already showed that. So did it work? Did that play just work? Yeah. So we're saying in this one game, this, this is the only time we get to run this play against this team because we know we ain't going to care it over the next week because you say we out of the random once. Yeah. Like why not run the most, the play that's been working for us. I hear you. You know, and I think as an office corner, I, I, you know, I got a lot of respect for them to, to, to have that much confidence in a bag. They don't want to run the play that just worked. I got to ask you on the flip side, though. If you ever, you ever been in the huddle and you just hear a play call and you just know, like, man, I know about this one, man. Is a pretty big down right here at the game. I don't know. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. All right, boys, let me do those moments have came up. But like, I'm, I'm a persuasive person. You know, you got those people that they weren't the, they, they, they write the narratives. You know, they write persuasive essays. They were, they write the derogatory as I'm a persuasive essay writer. Okay. So when the players getting called into me, even if it sounds like straight poo, I got to make it sound good to everybody else. Yeah. I love that. But I'm one of those guys like, I'm, I'm a believer in like, I'm obsessed with it. Like, okay, we put in the work like I, if the players, poo, I get it. I come to the sidelines, you're like, hey, please don't call that again. But if you call it, like, I'm going to find a way to execute this place. Got to. Yeah. We don't got another way. It's been numerous eclipse. I can see you. Justin. Have to change your protection. I don't know. There ain't no way we saw the way. This guy right here. It has been thousand plus why I see you Travis. No one else went for the half a simple sale. And what you do, you feel zone that you just will. A little here. Right. Right. You know, you know, right? You know, but that's what it is. It's, it's not just capability. It's the capacity to know like, this is the right thing to do. Like I know what I'm going to get here. So I'm capable and I got the capacity enough of the work that I put in that I'm going to make the right decision. I'm going to help this coach be a better coach. Just doing whatever you want me to do. Jamest, that's all I'm doing. I'm just there. I see that with you. I know you want me to hook it up right there. I don't want me to go there. And that's why that's why you win. That's why you win a lot. Speaking of your old coach, Sean Payton, him and Bo Nick's are rolling right now, man. They're rolling right now. They got the bills coming in hot. Now, now watching Sean Payton's office this year, I don't know if you've seen a lot of it on, on film and just been peeking at what they got going over there in Denver. But can you see similarities and stuff he's transferred over or is this like a whole new world because Bo Nick's is, he's just a different type of quarterback. Well, Bo, Bo is from Alabama. So I got a lot of respect for him and he can do it off. Right. But but Sean has really been in his bag this year, man. Like the amount of plays that he's been able to move the pocket for Bo, the amount of yards that they've been able to create on the perimeter by just getting the ball out of Bo's hand and letting the receivers get yacke after that. Sean is a situational guru and I have to command bonus. Bo probably hasn't had the most efficient first, second and third quarter this year. He was way more efficient last year as a rook. But in the fourth quarter, he and Sean pay and have been finding ways to win the freaking game. And I think that is what and that's what I've talked about. These young quarterbacks with Bo and Drake May. Like, yeah, okay, you can win the game where you could tell like people put the quarterbacks, game managers, right? Like, but at the end of the day, when it's third and seventh and you know the defense is going to be a man, right? You still have to make the throw. Like it's not going to be, oh, you managed the game. Like just check them out here. No, you still have to make the play and Bo nicks have been making the plays for the Denver Broncos to win games. Oh, yeah. You're speaking, are you speaking truth? Jason, Jason's gone on rats about this already. Well, not even just like Bo nicks and Drake, but Caleb last week, right? Against the Packers. Why does the quarterback all of a sudden become more accurate on harder through? I want to ask you this. Why is the quarterback also more accurate on harder throws? Is there like a sense of like, I know I got a bigger moment. And you like lock in more or is it just like that's the way this guy's wired? It's the rouse on air effect, right? Like some quarterbacks, I would say this Sam Braffer was the most accurate quarterback I've ever seen in my life. Okay. All right. Seven on seven. There was not, there was not you were there with him. Oh, yeah. There was not a ball that touched the ground. Yes. Yes. Right. But once you get into a game, like the anticipa, the anticipa story throw throw that you make it with pressure in your face, orthodox movements, I think Patrick is elated this being able to throw the ball and be accurate from a different angle. That's just guy given talent. And that's just that effect that that Caleb Williams possesses, we're like, he likes chaos more than he likes stillness and peace. Sure, that's really, that's really, that's really, really, really cool. No, seriously, that thing, it's like boring to him, like that he's got, all right, I got to come back route. And then all of a sudden, he sales it, but then all of a sudden, he's run into his left on four down, And he puts the ball in like a freaking four by four window down the field. It's insane because it's no thinking is no thinking to that right. When the guys wide open, man, we have to think, well, oh my goodness, I can't miss this. Oh, it's too late. Yeah. No, but when, but when this fourth down, that fourth and eight throw the image, moving to the left, but there's no making no choice. So, so it's even going to look amazing. I mean, I wasn't going to look bad. You know, and I conically like he's made these plays against a similar opponent, right? Because at the end of the season, when they played Green Bay in his fourth quarter was amazing. Like, it's just something to a quarterback being able to not turn it on, but fall back into their training. I have to ask you this, man, it takes, it takes guys to have the most ridiculous backstory. The one of the best careers ever to get a 30 for 30, like in there in their 50s, when it's all said and done and everybody's looking back, you literally have a 30 for 30, 30 toms and 30, how crazy was that year? And the rollercoaster Alps and down, you were out there firing it, man. Well, Travis wrote again, I had a coordinator, right, bowing left, which in one Bruce Arian's, we go way back. I'm talking about like Lilly football, not Lilly, but like middle school football. He used to have these camps in Birmingham, Alabama, right? Because his son was a kicker at UAB. UAB in Birmingham, I think, system that play against him. He's had these camps. So I knew Bruce and I knew his mentality of the, you know, no risk and no biscuit. No risk and no biscuit. And bro, and like, and I took that because I love Bruce, I took that to heart, bro. Like, so I was going, I got Mike Evans. I got Chris Galwyn. I got a young old Jay. Like we got to let this ride, like we got too much talent to be holding on to the football, you know, unfortunately the ball ended up in the defense hands too much, you know, and, and you know, that still sit with me. But you know, that was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and down years off the field that I had in my life too, man. I just, I just asked my wife to, to marry me, man. And I was, I was doing this freaking celibacy thing like Lilly refraining from sex, man. Bro, I talked like my, my parents were talking to me about shacking like it. And the stuff shacking is like when you live in with, with just significant other, you know, in the house, like we had to eliminate that bro. I literally bought a property and stayed away, you know, from my, from my house. You know what I'm saying? Like it was so much there in the pocket, man. It was so much going on, bro. Don't take a pack right into that house, you know, it was, it was the first year. And you guys, you guys know, it was the first year in my life that my dad, my dad, wasn't coming to any of my football games, bro. His brother, my uncle had passed. He was going to do some things with COVID in my grandmother passed a year before. So he was, my dad was dealing with some things, man. So just spiritually of the family, like we just were going, going through it. And I was having a great game while I was having, you know, a not so great game. And it was coincidental. It was happening off the field. And that's why when I talked to these young athletes, I accidentally, I was, I was, man, like, man, what are you consistently doing outside of the building to? Because if you are consistently being up and down outside of the building, it's going to try, it's going to come on the field. It's going to come a time in the place where in the players, we can see our teammates can see it better than anybody. You can see when somebody is locked in. And when somebody is going through something and, and I'm, I'm the person with light, I'm obsessed with it. So I'm overly locked in. I'm trying to go overboard. I'm trying to make the every throw because of what I'm dealing with off the field as well. I got a, I got my first, uh, coordinated, this play, played the game, like play it by on left, which man, he dice, he dialed it up. He's doing his name and we, I mean, we, we broke records, right? Yes. And I'm trying to impress him. I got Bruce Arias. I got it that showed me my very first Superbow ring, right? And I'm, I'm doing everything that he's telling me to do, right? And I, like, I'll tell everybody, I mean, go back and check the tape. I told them at the end of the, check the tape. See how many, no, see how many of those interceptions was really like joint, joint efforts. We were in stone a lot of those plays and filling. We were watching a lot of James Wilson in here. He's like, look at this dude's doing down here. You know what I mean? We were electric, right? We were electric. And, and obviously everyone knows like, okay, obviously we, we got to take the most, make the most of our possessions, right? Because it hurts everybody. It hurts everybody. The offense alarm when we drive the ball down the field and boom, you throw a kick. The thing here is about this interceptions do, do hurt, right? But how we were growing as a, as a team was so inspiring to see our defense. Our defense wasn't lights out at the beginning of the year. But toward the end of the year, they just like, hey, James, I got your back. Like, we got you. We know you're gonna let it fly like we got your back. Look at that. I'm gonna go get you one. I'm gonna go get you one, Jay. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, caught the day. He was like, okay, I lock it down. Like, yeah, started to happen. And then you know, boom, boom, boom, they get Tom Brady and win a Super Bowl next year. It was gonna happen with me. But that's how to get Tom Brady to make it see it like it was him that did it. You know what I'm saying? And, brunk, and AB, and let him for that, and Tristan were, I'm gonna stop. The team really was a super team. You brought up Advice, you have for young quarterback. You were the young quarterback right now in New York. What's it been like operating with Jackson Dart? And you're role within the Giants. Obviously you're doing great. You're in the player engagement room right now. Like, well, yeah, I love this. Talk about commitment. We're like, what? Three weeks into the offseason? Look, people are like, what, why right now? My man's in the freaking player engagement room. But it's the vision of, okay, like man, I didn't have a lot of short seasons. Right? I only been in the playoffs once. You know what I'm saying? But through this entire reign, I'm just like, man, like, what can I do from an obsessive state to staying gay? It's like, I'm gonna keep training. I'm gonna keep preparing. Like, I want to play and win in the Super Bowl. So I'm not gonna be out to build in. I'm not taking the trips to Cobbl, like right after the season. You know what I'm saying? If someone, if somebody got a job from me, gonna make some money from my family, you know what I'm gonna do that? You know, but like, bro, like, I love this. I just feel football season. Do you know how painful it is and Travis, you got to deal with this song this year? Because it's been a long time since you and Jason, you dealt with a lot, you know, last year of you, you know, deciding to stop playing. I, when you put in everything, man, and you started from OTAs and like, you know, these teams have won your lifespan. And then just, I don't know where everything just stops. The preparation, the sweat equity, the, the, the, the, the, togetherness, it just stops, man. That, so that, that hurt. So I try, I try my best to just try to do as much as I can with what I have. And assimilate me for paying for the Super Bowl. But let's talk about Jackson, dark man. Come on now. You know, you know when a dog walking around. You know what I'm saying? You know when a dog walk in the room, man. And so see first, when he first stepped foot in this building, man, he's been a dog, you know, and I just really value like his work ethic. Like yeah, yeah, I wish I could have seen just the sweat equity he was put in with Brian Debel. And I know Dave's got fired, man. But like those guys were tied at the hip. Like because he, he is obsessed with football. That's awesome. And anybody that's coming in to be out here because you got to know that you got a guy that wants to win. He's going to win because he's special. But he's obsessed in this, in this day and age, man, you got people that are more, that they're more worried about what they get from football than focus on what they can do for football. Yeah. Man, I like that. Like it's that old JFK quote, you know what I'm saying? Let's not ask that what you, what your country could do for you. Ask what you could do for your country. Yeah. That's the type of kid he is. Like his, his family, he comes from is just a great wholesome family, man. He's just, he loves football. He's a dog. I'm just trying to work with him about calculator risk because he'll run over a safety. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a few times, but you already know you see those collisions, man. Look, lie on back is a D line. Look, we not talking no smacked and no D line. Yeah. Yeah. Cause your office line got a paper there and we're not trying to run over no line back. Cause unless it's for four down or the ins on can't take them on thick. You got a roll. You got a roller, little bit. You can't just take them on straight. We got a fuck and take it to jack up. Yeah. He's joined. But I rather, I rather, I rather a young quarterback be about it. Then be scared. For sure. Brother Sam, Sam, Sam. Yeah. Yeah. That was so glad you said I don't want to talk trash to the D lock. Off it's like I got to feel that I still remember getting ready for an NFC championship game and my man Brandon Graham's in there and he's talking so much trash to Dexter Lawrence. I'm like, bro, will you shut the hell? I got this dude. You try to rip this dude up. What are you doing over here? BG. But I'm right with my dog, but I got to ask you this. You just said your goal is to win a Super Bowl. What is what are you doing to realize that goal? Like what is what's it going to take for James Winston to get to a Super Bowl? Obviously there's a team and all that stuff, but everything that you can control, what are you doing? Yeah. The biggest thing that I'm doing is speaking life into my teammates, right? Because a lot of these young guys, new generation guys, they look for affirmations and stuff that let them know that they're like, I'm where I belong. I'm really sharing. I'm really sharing. Yeah. And that's the simple thing I'm doing that is being impeccable with my word, right? Because it starts with, it starts with one, it starts with a plan, right? And my plan is to be impeccable with my word, be a man of increase in the building. So everybody can attract that. And then they go out and do what I don't feel, right? The second thing is just me doing what I love. I love playing football, man. Me going to damn working, you know? And hopefully they see me working when I invite them to come get some of this extra work for the betterment of both of us. They join me, right? And that starts with this culture. Like we're building that we're going to go to extra mile. We're building that we're willing and able to do anything, you know, for some success, right? And the third thing really should be the first thing is just instilling faith into my teammates, man, they're like, they hear for a reason. Like this ain't no coincidence that they hear. It's so challenging to see these confident, moxie young athletes just not really believe. Not believe in something that's bigger than them, man. Amen. And those are the, those are, that's just what I take pride in because I know how it is to be trying to please a man, trying to please somebody else, man. But it is nothing that competes with knowing that I fight from victory and not for victory for what God and what what Christ has did for me, right? And me instilling just those kingdom values, kingdom morals in them. It's going to at least have them be a better man when they get off the field. And one thing my trainer always say, you know, being a better football player would never make you a better man, but being a better man to make you a better football player. So that is what that's my impact. You're going right into coach, Jamie. You got too many in there. But I want to come out of, you got too many in there. Amen. You got me wanting to go, you strapping back up right now. But it's sweat equity. Like you, you put in that sweat equity, man. You know what it is to win Super Bowl. You guys are Super Bowl champions and you know as those little things, like I haven't been privileged to be a part of that. You know what I'm saying? But y'all have. So y'all know that 1% that you put in. Like my question is to y'all is like, how do you, how do you continue to like reciprocate that? How do you allow that message to just have a great vibrational frequency and not be stopped by by people with that don't have that mindset? Because every year you, you guys done it on multiple teams. So you've done it with new guys. It's not like college where you got dynasties and all this stuff. You guys have found a way to win with multiple guys. So how do y'all, what's y'all approach for walking me and inviting other people that don't have the mentality that you have is not cupped in the same clock as you and transforming them into being Super Bowl champions. You are starting with a trail. I think you've already hit everything that I could even, you know, bring to the table. Is you just got to, you got to show everybody you love this shit, man. And you got to show it every single day by your attention to detail by how you show up to work. And then you get to the energy when you walk in the building as my hood on or as my hood off and I'm ready to rock and roll and I'm looking everybody in the eyes and I'm like, you ready to get this shit? You ready to see this install? You ready to get after it today? And just having that sense of urgency and that integrity to come in to do something that you absolutely love. And, you know, not everybody plays the game for the same reason I understand that, but when you show up with that integrity and that work ethic, like, it's, it's a, it's a stand true more than not that the guys will find that as something they want to be a part of. And they'll see how you're doing it and they'll look themselves into me and want to do even more, you know. And that's really the biggest thing is sitting that culture from the top down, man. Making sure that everybody's doing that from, you know, the coaches to the players to the first guy or the guys that are on the field to the guys that are on the practice squad. Everybody's got to have that love and desire every single time. And alertness and the attention to details they want to the field of that. Thank you, George. Sponsored liquid IV. It's no secret that we have insanely busy schedules between podcasting, game days, workouts, meetings, family events, sitting on the couch. There's never enough hours in the day to get it all done. And trying to stay on top of your game when you're running an empty that truck, I can attest to that. That is where I'm at right now. At V is here to save the day, Jason, with their energy multiplier. It's got eight essential vitamins and nutrients and three times the electrolytes as a regular sports drink to support physical energy, hydration, focus, mood, stamina. This is, this is literally made for you, Jason. Yeah. 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You're in good hands with all state. The Texas savings vary subject to terms, conditions and availability all state North American insurance company in affiliates Northbrook, Illinois. All right now. We've been talking about some dogs. You got another dog in New York, Cam, the scatter boop. The other side of the one bread right there, man. You got to tell us about this guy, man. The world doesn't know enough about him yet. Let me tell you something, man. Look, I was, and this is going to be a perfect example for this. But Cam, it is. We all know what Cam from. No, we're Cam. Is it? I feel it. Go ahead. Arizona. Cam is from Sacramento, California. What? I think so. Okay. You know, I don't know why. I don't know why. It is, man. It's from Sacramento, California. I would have never made the connection. Yeah. And that puzzling that you're having your eyes is exactly how I was puzzled when I saw him. Man, when I tell you, look, so I was watching Lilo and Stitch with the kids, right? And you know how Lilo is in this other land. But you know, he steals the ship to escape that land because he bought a go to prison or whatever. And he just finds his way on the earth. That's why Cam's scatterbow is. He is from, he is from a football kingdom somewhere else. And somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth and said, go run that peon. That is how he plays, man. He plays with a passion and a desire to kill to hunt. And when you wrote, this one got me. So I told, I told Scott, you know, I was warm. We had these come and say, you know, we had Russ in the room and Jackson, he's young. Just bless him. He said, you know, Cam, you know, scatters about the same size as Martian Litch. Russ gave, Russ gave him a little, he said, he said, he said, he said, Martian style is the same size. Listen, and I, I, I, I double down. I was like, yeah, I was like, Jack's, I don't know if he, come on now. You can't be small like he, like he told that rock. He tough, but come on. He ain't the same size. Man, when he played, when we played against Kansas City and him and Nick Bolton met in that hole and you know, Bolton built like a refrigerator truck. He is grounded. He is put together. And when he ran over Nick Bolton in that hole, I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious. I said, he right here, he is something serious. I don't know if he ran him over, but he said the thing. I got to ask about it. You know what I'm saying? Like it was, it was, it was a statement where I was just like, man, he's fearless, you know, and immediately, you know, people saw him in the names, pay Nellis, Mike Allstock. You know what I'm saying? They like watching it. They know. Oh, man, he is told that peel. I said, not the size, but like Earl Campbell, man, he put his head in there, man. Yeah. You're going through guys, man. Like Bo Jackson, like, he don't got to speak like Bo, but I'm just saying, man, he is putting his head down and falling forward, bro. Yes. Like in Jason, you respect this. It's a difference when the running back can give you three. And when the running back can make three turn it to seven. That's big. Because you know in a fourth quarter, that seven, going to turn it to 12. And that's where it's going to eventually be a breakout run for us to really step on a neck. And that is where he gave us. And honestly, y'all talked about Jackson and we talked about the hits he took, but having a running back like that is what took some of those hits off of Jackson, right? Because Jackson felt that he had to bring that to the team, right? But that's what Kim was for this team. He was that enforcer, a younger force that was confident. Like one of the funny stories, man. So against the Eagles when it was when they killed a green, I love that Kelly green. Oh my God, it's one of the most beautiful turns in the world. Cool. Okay. We plan against the Eagles and he wasn't a little crushed Ralph man and he gets rarer with a Zach Bond falling his ankle and he fractures his angle. Yeah. Man, Greg Ramron is out there trying to help him up. And he said, Scott was a, he's like, help me up. Oh, help me up. He's like, he's like, I don't think so. Like yeah, he's going, he's there. But the guys like this. Help me up. I got it. Like, and that's the toughness that he possesses, man. Man. So he is from a different planet, bro, with his, with his passing, his enthusiasm. And really is his love for football, y'all. Oh, you're crazy. It oozes out of a man. One more thing from this past year, you kind of did your best version of a tight end impersonation here this season. Can we pull up this clip? We pull up this highlight. What's going on in your head when this play gets called in, when you're running it, like give us the start to start to finish. I just hope he give me a chance. You know what I'm saying when they talk about giving, giving number one receivers and remember one tight is the ball. All you guys do is give him a chance. No risk it. No biscuit, baby. And when we see this double reverse pass, when I, when I talk some this peel, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to score to a stout. Right. I've been waiting this moment my whole life. And as I run down this highlight, I throw my hand up. Oh, he ran the most of them. And that is called attacking the football. And that's called rap with the filet at the end. It's incredible. It's incredible. Oh my God. I was waiting for that moment. You know what I'm saying? And that was good eyes by that, by that D line. He really was a linebacker, but he can't guard me. He can't talk to you either. No, no, no, man. That was fucking electric, man. I wish I was the commentator, the media person to X, you know, the defense, the defense coordinator about, you know, hey coach, you know, what, what do you think when the, the New York football drives did that, Rob received the pass and went, well, you know, it doesn't matter what you think. Cool. Cool. Cool. I'm a rock on them, you know, let them know. It don't matter. Oh my God, man. Did you know where the camera was? Did you feel the camera over there? It is pure cinema. It is, it is one of my favorite clips of all time, man, because you definitely don't expect you to be able to make a play come back to the ball. And you give them the, in the field, shake them, get them off of you, come into the hands on finger roll, get excited with the teammates and they're just right into the camera. They were. Listen, every time I got, I got the confirmation from my boy and Detroit, Devin Funches, he from Detroit. Shout out to your defences. I said, amen. Like when, when I scored a touchdown, like I really want to hit a dance. He said, you know what a kid of Detroit? He said, do the ball. I said, I, so in the night meal, I'm talking to a, we got Nick Jones who played for Kansas City, who's also from Detroit. Oh, yeah. He didn't ball there about some wings, right from Detroit, this wings spot. So I'm, I'm chewing on some wings, you know, I say, hey, Nick, he said, yeah, I said, man, what about this dance, right? When I scored a touchdown, I'm on my dude is dance. So I show him the dance. And he said, oh, yeah, he said, yeah, the city really going to be there. I had to put all for the city. I was ready for that. Yeah, damn dude. That shit was epic, man. Appreciate you. I got to ask you as an, as an eagle, you played us twice this year, season just ended. A lot of questions about the offense. What, I mean, I know you didn't probably watch a lot of Eagles offense. What did you see? Okay. All right. Well, well, the, the, the main thing that I, that I saw was we can talk about simplicity and offense. We can talk about all this stuff, but Jaylin hurts, he finds a way to win games. And the running game wasn't as prolific as it was last year, right? Jaylin didn't use his legs as much as he did, you know, in the years prior, you know, when you went deep into the playoffs. So it's that balance of, okay, we know Jaylin, he likes, he likes space, he likes things being open. Like, but how can we put him in the best position for him as well? Right. Like, how can we protect him? Right? Because you need your quarterback. But also use the gifts that he has and, and one, one, one of those gifts is his legs. And I just don't think that, that catered enough to him because I feel like that balance between having to stop Jaylin hurts and stop, say, quen bark, bark Lee was, well, it was tough, right? But I don't think defense is really feared that this year. They knew they like, okay, they want to try to protect Jaylin. Like, and I don't know, I haven't talked to Jaylin. I don't know if he was dealing with injury or anything, you know, but I just feel like, y'all dominated the trenches really past past blocking wise, I still that office line steel is among the top in terms of past blocking. But in terms of running game, your running game was not as, as prominent as it has been in the past. And I think it starts like you know this Travis, but because Andy is adamant about establishing a run game. Yes, y'all do everything with the lines. Exactly. He depends on that run game because that, that's what takes the wheel of a defense. And I just think that, offensively, the Eagles didn't have that factor where they are going to finish games with the run. They did it against us. Tank B is mixed with me. He had a great day. But when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when, when the Eagles are up, like, it should be a win, especially in the fourth quarter, because they can run the football. Yeah, y'all were able to run the football as effectively. Yeah. And another thing, man, like, and I love AJ and I love Jaylin. But it is, it is kind of, it's a beautiful thing to see Jaylin Devonta, what they do outside of the numbers. Because you know, it's either a goal or a stop. And if this second and short, it's going to be a slant. Like, it's a three-row minimum, minimum that they're doing. And the execution that they have in those crunch moments, it has to be above 90%. Like, I'm not throwing 50, 50 balls to AJ Brown. I'm throwing 90, 10 balls to AJ Brown. I'm not throwing 50, 50 balls to Devonta Smith. I'm throwing 90, like, you know, Travis, you know, when this crunch time, all of us together, no matter, no matter the, the, the, the, the angst that we have with each other, all of us have to produce when our team need us to produce. Yeah. And about who, who, who get targets, but the defense know what we're going to do. We know what we're going to do. And last year, again, y'all executed it on those one-on-one opportunities. On the outside, right? So, so I don't think it's rocket science, right? Like, one thing about, about Jaylen, we talked about me and the amount of office coordinates. Like, Jaylen hasn't had continuity and I know it's probably the same scheme, but he hasn't had the same voice for a, a, a, a, a year, like for multiple years in a long time. And that's challenging. That's a quarterback. To, to, to get different culture points to get a different word, like, when you don't have that discipline, when you are a disciplined quarterback, Jaylen is very disciplined. He's straight straight in there. So, for you to have different voices every year, when you're trying to lead a team to the promised land, it's challenging, man. It is. It's so challenging. I think you're, you hit it on the head, man, because I remember the last year, and the run game was say quite obviously 2000 yard rush, I mean, you can't substitute that. But teams are going to adjust, teams are going to adjust to how you're playing them and or how you, how effective you are with it. But I remember in this Super Bowl, man, even when we were trying to claw back and have any, any chance there in the second quarter, is the third quarter, is man, we get it in a, in a third and medium, third and long. And he would use his legs, and it wouldn't just be for, for, for, first down to be for a huge gain and all of a sudden, explosive. They're in, they're in an opportunity to kick a field goal, and we just had them on a third third and manageable in, you know, in their own territory. So, it's just being able to, I don't know, just him being able to use his legs is, it's night and day, man. So, I think it's a happy balance, right? Like, there are calls where the quarterback moves, Patrick has a lot of those. A lot of them. Well, he's moving, he's moving the pocket, right? Well, he's putting the defense, like because if you pressure him, you got a risk that we're moving the pocket and you're pressing in the area that's vacated. Yep. Right? And if we play zone, now it's the two-est, or now he can beat us with, with our legs. In God forbid, you play man. Now, our back is turning against him, right? Like, I believe like, it's some creativity that can be, that can help Jalen perfect his craft, man, because he is an elite talent. Like, you see the accuracy, you see the ability to win the tough game and the big game. But now, he needs continuity for once. Like, every great quarterback that had continuity. Like, you can't tell me a quarterback that's been freaking, you know, flipping OCs. That's what he doing. He flipping OCs, like real estate properties. You know what I'm saying? Like, it has to be important for the organization and for him to have a similar voice, man. I don't think it's fair for him. You know, Jalen in terms of his quarterback. And I know he's okay with it. Nothing phases him. You know, he's a very disciplined instructor guy. But from outside looking in, I told you this, Jason, you know, I grew up at Eagles fast. So I'm moving for the city of brother love, the lead. You know what I'm saying? And now, when they play against us, you know, the giant, but outside of that, to win, right? Yeah. And for their quarterback, but it's to be a franchise guy, you have to make an effort into at least catering to his leads. And I think one thing is required is for him to have a consistent voice that he wants, that he loves that allows him to be in his element. I love everything you're saying right there, man. I really do. And I agree with it. I really do. I, the one thing he brought up, man, like the, the, even, it's not even just the, like the new play collar and getting a feel for that. It's just the verbiage too. Like I was so lucky to have stout for a long time. I would like, we, like, we're on like our third different head coach. And I'd be calling a blitz what we called it with Chip Kelly. Because we knew what it was. Like I'd be on the, they're bringing a, they're bringing a wasp, right? Yeah. And like the other coach is like, what the hell are you talking about in stouts? Like, oh, we're talking about the free safety way. We're free safety, yeah. A lot of that gets, like, homogenized in your brain. And for a guy like Jalen, like, in the moment, like even just communicating with guys, communicating with your teammates, that's hard when the verbiage is changing constantly. I've never never thought about that, but it was hard for me. So I'm, I know it's hard for him. He been doing a lot. One thing I wanted to ask you because I think that's a great point. Because obviously, Travis, like you, you, you reached that pinnacle and you still, I'm going as crazy. How, how you freaking still turning it up? My verbiage has been the same since I've been in Kansas. I don't know what you guys are. So I experienced it one time and one of the probals I played and I had to go in there and learn a whole new office of like, bro, I'm not running any of these routes. I'm just going to see whatever covers there. Mac Jones was throwing me daggers that I was supposed to be running. I'm running go routes. But to that point, Jason, you've experienced three, like, what, you had three different head coaches for four different head coaches. So you know what a head coach looks like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And for us, for the Giants, us being in this position that we in, like, like some people aren't blessed with having a head coach for the majority of their career. You know, some people have different regime changes, but you've won two superbows with two different head coaches. What are those key qualities of a leader in a head coach that teams should be looking for to win football games? Because that's what we all after. Yeah. We are, because this is my perspective. My perspective is like, like, we're all self-policing. Like it's our team, right? Like, no crap. We don't want out there doing it. Sure. Right? But like, what disease man, or what does your team have that, that kind of makes up for a head coach? Or what does that head coach have that allows a veteran guy, a veteran person to your status that is, that has a foundation that is established in his role. What makes him want to follow a new coach coming in? That's a good question. Man, I think I was really fortunate in Philadelphia. Although we had a lot of coaching changes, we had a great locker room and a great building. And Jeffrey Lurie, Holly Roseman, and I'll start it with Andy Reed, really. And I learned from the Brent Selleck, all these players before me. And there's a sense of unity and like, honestly, because I was drafted, to Philly, an unrealistic, like, idea of loyalty from the organization. I never got cut. I never went to another organization. I was only in this one. And I think between me, Lane Johnson was that way, Fletcher Cox was that way, Brandon Graham was that way. Philadelphia, even through the changes, they did a great job of retaining pieces. Like Jeff Stoutlin, I had four different head coaches. I only had two offensive line coaches. That's rare that offensive line coach stays through head coaches. That's rare that do stale stays. I think the organization does a great job of keeping pieces. So Philadelphia has always had this like tight, like mindset and like, the locker room. And that has always been well established. And then when a coach comes in with some fresh ideas, a lot of energy, a moxie to them, and he's surrounded with other great coaches. You already know how he's going to build. I mean, he wasn't allowed us to whistleboats. We had to pre-dem good players. Like that's the reality of it. And the coaches, Doug was a player. So he knew how to navigate, especially like older players who knew what they were doing. He was great in top of building that energy and that motivation, infusing belief. And then with Nick, it's the same way. We didn't win with Nick. We went to one with Nick. He won one last year. Nick is very good. One of the best at coaching in the team meeting. A lot of times I get into the team meeting. I'm like, man, what are we going to talk about today? What's going to happen? Nick is so good at maximizing and communicating to the team. Situational ball, little stories that I feel like sometimes are made up, probably a lot of times are made up. But they get you going. They get the juxtaposed. The sit your mindset right. At the end of the day, you still need the players. You need great coordinators. You need a great quarterback. But I think that between Nick and Doug, both of those guys are really, really good at talking to the team, at spreading the message, at communicating with players. Doug used to have the player council meeting. So all the leaders would go and talk to the head coach. I think you get a good pulse for the team. Because really as a head coach, what I want to see is a guy that is just, I want to see a guy that he wants the best for me and the best for us. And he's maximizing everything he can to get the best out of me. And that can come away, like whether you're a player's coach, whether you're your MF and me. I don't care if you're MF and me. If you got my best interest in hard, like you want the best for me, I get it. I'm right here. But if I feel like you're MF and me because there's some ulterior motive for you selfishly, fuck me, no fuck you. Hold your hand. I'm talking to you like that. You want that? Let's go. That is so important, right? Yeah. Like what you just stated right there. And I think we says that like we know we know when a message is from another human or a fish from a higher up. Like man, don't feed me. What you heard from somebody else. Do you tell me what you think? What's in here? What's in here? What are you looking for? The Giants New Coach, man. I'm looking for a stern leader. I believe that we got a great young room. But I believe like you said that that that energy, man, that understanding like when it takes to be a player is required, especially with this new generation. And we need we need discipline. Yep. Because when you got young guys, we need somebody that know how to steal that ship to where we're going. All right, we got one mission. And that's when games and when the Super Bowl, right? We need consistency. We don't we need someone that's going to be who they are every single day. Right? The emotions as a head coach, like it's a dirt cutter. My first OC, he always shared, you know, passion versus emotion. We don't need emotions, man. Because games, games are going to have elves and flows. We need passion. We need to know that you love us. We need to know that you're for us. We need to know that you're going to make business decisions during the business decision time. Like during the course of a season, we need you believing in what you presented us at the beginning of the season and not going back to your your B plan. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I feel like the third thing, man, we need someone that is going to give us a complete paradigm shift, man. Because when you have an organization, you know, over the past a few years that hasn't been a custom to winning, you have to bring in a winner. Yes. You can't bring in somebody that over the course of the past few years has them won because that's stick it. That's doing the same thing that you've been doing. You have to bring in somebody that is a winner thrown through. And if you look at his pedigree, he's won everywhere he's been or you bring in a new guy and you start to slake clean, right? And you used to caution, like you said, how a roseman, you used the the bar and burns and the dexalances and in myself and the Andrew Thomas's and you used those guys, building around those guys and you cater to that. And you see these are my leadership rosis and my counsel, like what is going to make this team the best team possible? I think you just hit it on the head. You're really it's like how are you conducted? You got their leaders. You got your guys that have experienced that know how to do it. And you're just doing that, man, you're you're being accountable when you mess up. You're showing up and you're putting the work in. You're showing up and you're competing with maniacal relentless energy. Like not unacceptable. It's not acceptable to lose here. That's not like I know it's just a Thursday, but I take this personal. The passive. Yeah, all of that stuff rubs off and that you're 100% right. That's exactly what you have here to New York Giants. You sign guys, you bring guys in like yourself guys that have had success guys that are relentlessly passionate about playing the game and then that rubs off on everybody. And then you're like, I'm just going to lose out of your man. Well, before we get to the last segment, I got to ask you one more thing about the playoffs, man, who do you think who do you think is going to take it? Who just James thing is going to be a host of that. That's right. I mean, I really I really think that that the Seahawks, I think they're going to come out the NFC side, man. And I'm kind of I'm kind of in between on the really the AFC because like like Josh, you know, I'm a big fan of Josh. Oh, yeah. Wait, what better year than this year for him to do it, right? No pad, no Joe, no Lamar, you know, like he's the head guy on that side, right? But when you look at Denver, when you look at New England and you look at the Houston Texans, I don't see Buffalo being them. I just don't like the AFC is really a toss up. And I want to say, I really want to say, I want to say it's going between the Rams and the Seahawks on the NFC. I want to. But man, when I see that Seahawks defense run around, energy man, it's about that. Yes. And you see that in them. The whole team. No, and I'm not saying that the Rams don't have that, right? I believe they do. But you see it, you can sense it. I feel like the best two teams, I feel like it's three great teams, great teams. I feel like the Seahawks, the freaking New England Patriots and the Houston Texans are great teams. I believe the Denver Broncos, they have the chance to win it all, right? I do because of their hand coach and Sean Payne. But I want to see an AFC matchup between the Denver Broncos and the Houston Texans. And I believe whoever wins out of that is going to win a Super Bowl this year. Okay. I really, I really believe. But I go back to because I've been talking to Circus. I go back to Josh Allen. Josh Allen can find a way to beat the Denver Broncos this week. Yeah. I don't see nobody stop. I think that's the confidence that he needs. It feels like the bills have the trump card, man. It really does, man. But I'm excited for this next week of football, man, because it's whoever. It's the best. It's going to be so much fun seeing how all this shit plays out, man. Exactly. It's going to be a fucking blast, man. But let's get into this last segment. We always end up in these conversations with a little bit of, we got to ask. You can tell us the fuck off and you don't have to answer, but we got to ask, man. Have you been working on the hard count? I have. I have. I eliminated the jump. Somebody jumped off sides. You got it. You know what I'm saying? I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. I did. Yeah. What are you? What's up? Put. Somebody jumped off sides. Damn. It was elite. It was. But when you think about it, if it wasn't cold, I would have got somebody. When you playing in cold weather, it's very tough. It's very tough to get somebody. You know what I'm saying? I'm throws. Yeah. So that's why I just love it, because there's a point where you're doing the dummy count, where you know nobody, nobody jumping on this. I don't want anything to do with it. I fucking hate the whole dummy count. Like let's have a play ready to run. Let's try and get them off sides first, but let's just run a fucking play, man. I think it has. It has its time. Right. When the clock button to run out, like when you're just trying to get a free five yards, when you got like a second and short, what's your favorite hard count to try and get some a team off sides? My favorite hard count is they call it like the green Bay cadence is when you have a cadence and you're just going through the cadence. And as soon as somebody jumps, we locked in a snap the ball and we go four vests. Right. That's my favorite. Free play. Like I argue so much when I stabbed this year about like why is it not in? Yeah. You got a smart center. You got guys that could run like that, that plate like you saw and Rodgers did the last game. The only completion he had over freaking 30 yards when he got up on the center, got the guy's all career, right? Maybe he been doing his whole life and they try to call it the green Bay cadence. It's not. It's just if a guy jump off sides, I got a smart center. Snap it. Let's go. Let's get a free play. I just agree. I think sometimes in the past where we've had issues with it is like, is it a run play? Is the tackle blocking? Are we always just going to do a vertical if we get them off sides? So you kind of got to differentiate it's really if it's a pass play. Dude, if somebody jumps off sides, just take a shot. That's what it should be, right? But look at this. If you got regular one word football plays was we had if you got one word football plays with alerts, with motions, with freaking protection adjustments, you should be able to have a single cadence. And then that single cadence, this cadence right here, we're going to call this the Jason Kelsey cadence. And then this cadence is one protection. And it's one concept. You can do this. I got to get in the holding call. All right. You know, fake 37 wide zone right boot right Z post X cross and say only one thing. You know, you're on the JK. Yeah. Everybody know what the freaking do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. On the JK of somebody jump on. Yes. Yes. You know what I'm saying? We're running that one across. I know that. You going down. You might score a 10. You know what I'm saying, baby? Man, you played with one of the greatest ever and Drew breeze, man. What was what was the light plan? Being in a in the locker room with him, man. He's obviously you know, one of the best that has ever done it. Walter Payton, man of the year. The guy just seems like this character and his is realness oozes out of him, man. What was the what was the best thing you learn from Drew? What was the light plan with the best thing I learned from him was and it helped me so much of my game is focusing on the process and not the outcome. Like he was so process oriented, man. Like just his details with his footwork with his footwork to different concepts, man. And it all stem from again, what we talked about earlier, the continuity that he and Sean had in that office. He mastered everything that that offense had to give. And at the quarterback position, doing that for a very long time at a high level, it just speaks about his work ethic and just the love that he had for his teammates, man. So I'm so grateful for Drew and when he helped me, man, because you know, that won you with him, that helped elevate me to have one of the best years of my career. It got it got shortly, it was shortly lived because I got hurt. Like he helped me just with my process of, you know, what first and second down really is first and second down, like we playing Canadian football, right? Like we like, well, how do you play, you know, what the the the term behind Canadian football is, like, let's get first downs on first and second down. Let's eliminate third down. Right. You know, Canadian game. You only get three downs and Canadian. Yeah, you only get three downs. And with him, just his approach to everything. And one of the greatest stories I had, man, we were losing the, the Las Vegas Raiders and we were down like two scores and Drew, he had a good game, but like we were coming back and like we had some shots down the field that were like open to me that was open. Like office lounge was at great protection and I was like, I asked him on the side of the light, Drew like a man like, like we down to scores, like you didn't try to push the ball. He was like, man, I never let a mistake that I made earlier in a game hunt me through the remainder of the game, right? Because he, I think you threw an interception early game. And he was just like, man, I'm a stick with my process, right? I'm not going to allow just the greed of want to get something right then impact with my process that I have for this two minute drive, for this drive to help us get back in a game, right? And then the next week we went and played freaking the LA charges and he was in that same position and he went down deep, dark, deep, dark deep and the win and the game for us by just staying on his process. Another thing that I learned from a man like on Saturdays when everybody's gone out the building, I would just sit, I would take a chair and I would just sit on the chair and Drew would go through two minute on air by himself calling the calls, Champagne bless us, like he allowed us to call the calls during two minutes. So he would go down the field up and down the field at least three or four times calling his place like really visualizing that moment. So I practiced that in my training as well, man. So just to see the attention of detail that he had, even when I was only with him on his last year, man, to see where he went through. You saw the full product. That's what that's what the cool part of it is that you saw the accumulation of all those years into one and you have to see what the finished product looked like. Yeah. And just to see where he was overcoming that last year with injury and all this and that man, it was really a sight to see man. I'm very grateful for Drew Breeze. I'm about it, man. I got to ask this one, man, your Florida state days you were known to be on the football field and the diamond. Has it ever crossed your mind to just pick up the old wooden bat and go out there and see if you still got it? Man, I actually cross train like two years ago, I started back swinging the bat man because I realized that I lost all of my torque and my rotation and because every single year like growing up, when I didn't stop football, I went straight into baseball, right? I did my shoulder care. I did my ground, my fielding work. I did my, my T work. I did everything that I would do for baseball because I actually trained harder at baseball than I did football. And once I get to lead, you know, hey, let's work on this. And I'm just like, man, though my first five years of lead, I lost all my will. Like I came to lead like bringing a limber. I was able to take stuff to the house. I was like, I got to give back to building the athlete because you see that's what the game is. It ain't no more just standing in the pocket, look around all progressives and complete the best. You have to be able to extend plays at the quarterback position to win in this football that you have to. And I think that cross train in a baseball has actually elevated me, gave me a few more extra years on my play because of the different movements and different axes that I do when I'm taking five balls, when I'm building ground balls, when I'm swinging the baseball back, being in different planes, man, it goes. And I try to tell young kids, like, guys, do not try to become a guru at one sport, man. Get on the basketball court, get play something across, man, play some baseball, play some football, man, like, do not do not just be focused on one little thing. Like, oh, my baby going to be, you know, the number one pick at a quarterback, I promise you, your baby is going to be looking like that number one pick from age eight to age 18. You know, just like he is, you got to get some variety, man. I'm with you, man. 100%. We played all of them. We played absolutely all of them, man. That's your with the basketball. Yes. Y'all are athletes, man. Y'all really are. And I didn't just physically, I feel like you start to mentally take things over. Like you, you're spacing that you see on the basketball court. You take it with you. You know about spacing on the basketball court. Well, I know that you do it. I took, I took, I took, I took, I faced him from up from the hockey ring. There you go. There you go. Angles and leverage air. I still remember I started playing lacrosse and I was, I was playing football first. I started playing lacrosse and made on the fucking lacrosse for you. I can't imagine saying, but they, but they got all these moves. They got like a face studge. You got a rolled dodge where you're doing a spin move, all these things. And I'm like playing D line. I'm grabbing this stick. I'm taller than this dude. I swim them like this. Just pull a swim move out. And my coach is like, what are you doing? That ain't going to work. Bro, nobody could tie my, tie my swim move. It was like, it was like, it was swimming everybody. And now there's guys doing the division on the cross. You see guys doing it. And coach, like every time I see it, I think of you. And I'm like, yeah, that's because it's a good move. Coach, if you ain't seen it, what makes you think that they saw it? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they were thinking about it. Yeah. They were going to work. Well, coach, if you ain't never seen it before, how you think, do you think they ever seen it? So I know it's a good move. All right, last question. Do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? Well, yes, I have a iconic welcome to the NFL moment. I got two. I got two for you. Well, my very first pass in the NFL was a touchdown. There we go. And a lot of people, a lot of people can't never say that. Yes, it was, it was a Cody Simpson ball on the pick six. So my very first pass. That was, that was a welcome to the, like, so you got my, so, you got my, so, you got my, so look, this is, this is, this is the craziest thing, right? We both threw a pick on our first, and I'm like, man, that's why I knew you and my brother, man. On first, both of us. We're in a foul passes. We're in a foul passes, we're in a set, man. Let's go. Listen to me, bro, now I'm going to tell you about this. So I'm in, I'm with the Tampa Bay Book of Nails, and you know, we got a lovely Smith. Love you, Smith is our Cunny Company, Tony Dungee tree. It's going to be two Tampa spot drop three or a man, right? And he probably throw a big, bring a five man rush pressure, you know what I'm saying? He's on, fires on the back end. Man, our first game was no great dick, liberal, all that defense, all the different looks, all at fronts, fresh, man, the first third time was 36, man, they ran two man coming from coming from, I'm coming from college. Man, I ain't seen two man all year. Man, I thought I said it up, man, I throw a little trush route outbreak, man, cold and I said, so by jump that thing on the cut, I was like, oh my God. I had to hop on my horse. I was like, well, it was a touchdown. But first I was this, I was like, man, I want to prepare for this. I'm saying, I didn't think there was going to play no two man. I was like, what is two man? That's too funny. You know, first third, that ain't played two man. Like, welcome to the NFL. Like, I thought I was an athletic quarterback. You played me two man. Yeah. Like, now, and then look, nowadays, you watching, you know, oh, yeah, oh, they played, they played two man, oh, they, some, some people say, cover five. Oh, but it's got me. You hear the quarterback coast? Man, it's, look, it's embarrassing if they play two man against you. Look at him. And I'm just like, oh, man. Oh, damn. They caught me. It's embarrassing. It was embarrassing that they played two man against me. And it worked. Oh, my God. They both said, it worked. I was a brand. Yeah. Nobody's got to, that's too far from you, man. Well, Jamie's man, appreciate the time. Appreciate the stories. Appreciate the wisdom. Best of luck with you over there in New York in the future, man. Always, always a huge fan of you as a person, man. And I can't thank you enough for jumping all with this brother. Man, I'll retweet that to both of y'all, man. You know how much respect I have for you, Jason, man, for what you just done for this game and the drivers as you continue to just inspire a whole generation of OGs, bro, the way that you kill it, the way that you dominate, bro. Thank you so much for the passion and the energy, you know what I'm saying? Because like, you always say, what you always say, you got to fight. No, you're not that bad. So, come home, bro. And you be fine. You could best. You could best. And that's the energy that we have, the fact that you know where I was going to. I knew it. You already know that. Is that passion, baby? You already know. So, thank y'all, man. Love you, brother. You already know, man. I love. I love to interrupt something. Another episode of New Heights. Thank you to James Winston. James, James, baby. He did not disappoint. He never does. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the 1-R-F-O or EverUture podcast. 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