‘The Pitt’ Season 2, Episode 5: “BABY JANE DOE!”

hello welcome back to the prestige tv podcast feed i'm joanna robinson i'm rob mahoney we're here to talk to you about the pit season two it is what time 11 a.m 11 a.m 11 a.m 11 a.m. in the pit. It's 11 a.m., Joe. Where are the babies? Where is baby Jane Doe? How is she doing? I can't believe you're already here. Our beloved producer, Kai, has requested a social media clip from us. By the way, where can people follow us on social media? They can follow us for sure. I will get this 100% correct. PrestigeTVpod on both Instagram and TikTok. You nailed it. Thank you. We would love to see those numbers grow. And I guess we're going to embarrass ourselves right now in pursuit of that? I mean, let's see. Let's see how it goes. Okay, so here's the deal. If you're not hip to what's happening on DePitt social media, Kathleen Lanasa, who plays the icon, the queen, Dana Evans, RN, has gone semi-viral for her pronunciation of the missing baby. Yes. Not the missing baby, the mystery baby. It's kind of missing. It's missing from the pit. Checked on baby Jane Doe. Looking good. Taking formula well. I would like to hear your impression. Yeah. of Dana saying, I don't know, what is it? Kai, what's the latest on Baby Jane Doe? Baby Jane Doe. I think it's just the name that's the important part. I think it's, to me, the most important part, the relish on the doe, clearly. It's the Baby Jane Doe. Oh, wow. You really got to chop it. You went very spicy on it. That's what she does. Baby Jane Doe. Oh, see, you're getting the muddle consonant in a way that's really important, too, on the Jane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Baby Jane Doe. that's how she says it i don't know what to tell you if you overlay my read with her read you won't even be able to tell the difference i'm not sure you want that right rob like victoria javadi is just looking to go viral on social media and doing whatever he can so that is press ucv pod on instagram if you just want to relive that experience over and over again of what Rob just did into a microphone. I certainly don't. Or on TikTok, as I am told. Okay, also, where can folks reach us if they want to give us their impressions of Baby Jane Doe in text form or audio form? I would welcome that. If you want to take a video or an audio clip, a voice memo of yourself doing the read, I would welcome it. You can email us, always prestigetv at spotify.com, but most certainly drsidebangs at gmail.com. That is doctor fully spelled out. Yeah, that's correct. Okay, we've got a bunch of emails that I want to get to. You guys are really showing up Especially the medical professionals They're really showing up on the pit They were really ahead of the whole Flesh-eating bacteria situation, I have to say Yes, and someone told us Not to Google image search it And guess what, I sure did do it anyway We'll get to that Alright, several people have wrote in to let us know It's not illegal What our patron saint Dr. Sidebangs did In terms of making a date with her patient We were talking about the legality. Not illegal. Frowned upon in this establishment. Clearly. And depending on which state you're registered in, you could lose your license if it comes to light. But you're not going to jail. No. But you could lose your license depending if you get found out or what state you're practicing in. It seems to be the consensus. We regret the error. There could be, though, gross professional repercussions. Speaking of regrettable errors, I apologize to Purell and the entire hand sanitizer community. I apologize to you, Rob, if you refrained from sanitizing your hand this week. I can assure you I did not. Okay, great. Keep using it. Okay, I was incorrect with that. But also, this has to do with the MRSA, which it turns out it's not actually MRSA. Not super relevant. But in terms of MRSA, if you're prescribed a course of antibiotics, finish it. Don't say, I feel better. And then don't finish. You have to finish your course of antibiotics. That's one very important thing. Another thing, our soon-to-be Dr. Cameron, med student Cameron, wrote in to let us know, antibiotic resistance is caused by overprescription slash inadequate treatment of bacteria via medications only. Things like hand sanitizers can create resistance to hand sanitizer, but it won't create resistance to medications. Without said, Rob Mahoney, the best way to prevent resistance is good old soap and water and hand washing. Germs can't build up resistance to mechanical friction. So do you wash your hands, Rob? Yes. What kind of question is that? I don't know. Some people just carry around Purell and they skip the sink. You do both is what you're saying. I do want a shirt, though, that says germs can't build up resistance to mechanical friction. I know. It's pretty sick. It's really punchy. It's pretty sick. Okay. Also, soon-to-be Dr. Khadijah wrote in. We love hearing from the medical students who said, in the UK, in the NHS, it's not called the July effect. It's called Black Wednesday. She said, here's a- First of all, it would be. everything everything is so much more dramatic there do you know have you heard of black wednesday um in here in the u.s what is black wednesday here i'm gonna come back to it let's just finish up khadija says in the uk there's a phenomenon in the nhs in august when newly graduated foundation doctors start working in their new hospital trust for the next two years known as black wednesday so here uh in the u.s and this is just told to me once by a taxi driver so it may not be a real thing outside of this one taxi driver yeah but he told me that the wednesday before Thanksgiving when all the young people have come back to their hometown but don't want to spend time with their family. And are getting blackout drunk. Get blackout drunk on the Wednesday and the taxis see a lot of hot messes on a Wednesday night. So they call that Black Wednesday. I just think marketing-wise, like we already have Black Friday that week. I think we need a new name for that Wednesday. Okay. Do you want to give a suggestion? I think we need to throw it to committee. I don't have one off the top of the dome, but- Dr. Sidebanks. I think we can do better. Okay. Dr. Marianne wrote in to let us know. I'm just like leaving off people's last name in case like they don't want their entire professional career put on blast. Dr. Marianne is a bit underwhelmed with representation of nursing students when it comes to Emma, right? She's like, Emma should know way more than she's been shown to know. Her being uneasy about starting an IV seems really unlikely. That would just have been part of her training. I'm curious if her character is rubbing nurses the wrong way too. Maybe I just don't understand their training. And then, I mean, she had a whole laundry list of issues. This one really stuck out to me. I might, and to you, Mr. Purell himself, it might stick out to you too. After Dr. Sidebanks reduces the guy's fractured tailbone, she grabs the curtain with her gloves on. That was fucking wild. That is so gross. It would never happen unless the doctor was absolutely terrible. Seems like a medical consultant would have caught that one. So we understand that she was trying to avoid like she's like, I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to give you my number. I don't want to do anything like that. Absolutely. But gloves off before we touch anything else. That would be like the glove off before he touches that woman's phone in this episode. Right. So you can't be cross contaminating. No, no, no, no. I mean, touching the curtain to me is like if Ogilvy after taking the absolute explosion in this episode, then went like slip and slid down the hall. Oh, my God. You simply can't do it. How did it fill your heart with joy the way it filled my heart with joy when Ogilvy just got like the full blast of that poor woman's backed up material? I think it's what we needed. Yeah. To like you need the cathartic moment of absolutely. I need to see Ogilvy covered in explosive shit. Yeah. But also, you know, start starting to come around. I'm like, man, that that really does suck to be in that position. Sometimes you are the patient impacted. Sometimes you're the med student impacted. You know what I mean? That's very philosophical of you, Rob Mahoney. Before we get to our next topic, because it's Chilichilis and I don't want to say anything about it in close proximity to what you just said. Okay. I'd like to take a huge detour. Let's zag. Before we start recording, you let Kai and me know that the reason that you have such enviable posture that many people who watch these podcasts comment on is because you were in the- That cannot be true. It is a fact. Kai, corroborate. Yeah, it's true. It's a fact. Is because you were in youth orchestra? Well, I was in middle school. and high school orchestra. And what instrument did you play? What do you think? Oh, that's a great question. That would give you such good posture? Like a woodwind instrument? Well, first of all, it's orchestra, so it's strings only. Oh, damn. We're not full band. Were you a cello, Rob? I was not a cello. I probably should have been more of a cello bass, but I'm... Violin? No, I'm too alt for violin. I had to go viola. We got to split the difference. I was an exceptionally mediocre viola player. Okay. But you know what? You got to sit up straight one way or the other um what do you think it would take for you to play viola on this uh viola respect my culture i was correcting it before you said it viola on this uh podcast uh there's not enough money in the world okay simply not we would if we put up a gofundme um okay not a chance great not gonna happen haven't i suffered enough professional humiliation this week you know all right um dr side bangs if you have an offer to uh to get rob mahoney to play an Instagram on this podcast. Okay. Tom wrote in to say, I'd like to thank the two of you for your treatise in defense of chilaquiles. I'd actually never heard of chilaquiles until your last podcast, but being the curious cook that I am, looked up some recipes online, made some this morning. They are amazing. Thank you so much for introducing these gems to my cooking repertoire. Have to ask, are you green or red sauce fans? First of all, this is like the thrill of my lifetime that someone made chilaquiles for the first time because we were talking about it on a podcast. I've never felt more like I've done more good in this world than to introduce someone to chilaquiles, I'm being honest. It's always nice to think that we create the kind of podcasts that would bring people together. But if I'm being totally honest, I would rather bring a person and chilaquiles together than any number of people. That's a match made in heaven. Do you want to answer his red or green sauce? I'm kind of a why not both. Yeah. And that brings me to my chilaquiles recipe, which I would like to share with you right now. Yeah. Walk us through it. All of these measurements are done with love, so I have no actual measurements here. Is that your general cooking vibe? No, but chili chiles is very forgiving, I think, in something like this. It is by feel a little bit. But if you're baking, that's a science. And sometimes when you're cooking, it's an art. Okay, so you take chipolis and adobo. Yep. And you chop them up, and you fry them with some diced onion in a cast iron skillet. Right. So get that like that's that's an excellent base for anything. Classic for a reason. OK. You add either broken up to status or chips if you prefer. I like the broken up to status, but just because it gives like a nice irregular sort of experience there. And then you I add like green sauce, green enchilada sauce. Oh, I don't make my own. Would you make your own like tomatillo sauce from scratch? It depends on the function. you know like you're that kind of guy if it is like i'm just like try to whip up a hangover cure for myself then yeah if you got the bottled stuff use it but also if you're going to do it and you have time to do it right do it right great okay so you've got chipotles and adobo onions your chip or your tostada your green sauce and the sauciness that's up to you that's between you and your god how saucy you want to make your chili i feel like it's got to be saucy what are we doing but not like it's not soupy no no no no that's almost a different dish you don't want to dry chili but I'm just saying like, you know, sauce with your heart. Yes. Open. I think you want to walk the line of maximum absorption without the aforementioned soupiness. You don't want sog, total sog. Okay. Then you make little nests, like, you know, like little, little divots to crack the eggs. Sure. Right. Then you take that whole skillet and you put it in the oven. You've got kind of like a shakshuka situation brewing in terms of the, the nest. Yeah. And then, And then partway through, you take it out and you put the cotilla cheese all over. But you wait until the eggs cook a little bit because you don't want just like egg cheese mess, right, situation. And then you wait until your eggs are cooked to your desired level of sort of sunny side up or whatever. You don't like don't hard boil them, but they're in the oven. It's fine. And then serve with avocado, crema, small diced red onion, cilantro, and more cotilla on the side. Lime squeeze? Oh, lime squeeze. Of course. Thank you for catching me on that. Anyway, that's my jiligili. recipe. It sounds lovely. Yeah. You just like, and you don't need like a cup of this or a, you know, as many chipoles and adobo as you can handle, but that's a little bit of like a red and a green situation together. So that's what I would say. I think your vision is beautiful. That's an extremely white person's Chilaquiles though. So if I have offended anyone, please let me know. We love a finger wag. I should mention our Chilaquiles patient in this episode feeling fine on some Zofran going to the water park. Yeah, that's a bad idea. But the first part, totally fine. Okay, okay. Robbie and Dana are both like water park cesspool. Yeah. You agree. Of course you do. Absolutely. You agree. Well, look, it's just logic. That's a lot of people. Did you never have fun at a water park when you were a child? Of course I did. Okay, what's the water park culture like in Texas? It was quite robust. Okay. Extremely hot. There's like a Six Flags spin-off, at least there used to be. I don't know if it's still there. Water Park, you know, Associate Park. I have to say the moment that radicalized me, I grew up in North Texas. One year in the summer, we had like a plague level cricket event where some migration pattern, swarming pattern, I don't know what it was. You angered the Old Testament God. Someone did. I didn't do it. I was but a child trying to flow down the lazy river. And you come up for air from underwater and the surface of the water is covered in dead crickets. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe I don't need this. Maybe I don't need to be doing this. Okay. I'm going to give you a pass because of this biblical event that you experienced. So outside of that, you're pro water park. Water parks are great. Are they? Yeah. Raging waters, Windsor Waterworks. You're going to get wet. Come on. It's great. Other bodies of water, sure. Even like a public pool seems orders of magnitude cleaner than whatever's going on at a water park. I will say that I have more of a fear of heights now than I did as a child, but I do remember that there were certain water parks where you basically had to hike up several stories of stairs. Yes. Of probably rickety wooden stairs to get to an obscene height, and then you just fling your body down the slide. That's living. And you're like, this is fine. This is fine. I'm pro-water park. That's all I have to say about that. Nat, who runs the No Context The Pit account on Instagram and Twitter, wrote in with a correction for us about the origin of Dr. Robby's name. So we had mentioned this connection to a different Dr. Rabinovich. But Noah Wiley has said that Dr. Robby is named after his paternal family, who are Ukrainian Jews. Ravinsky was the family name and so he and I think it was John Wells were sort of going back and forth about like you know Robbie and his Jewish faith and Noah Wiley's connection to that and he said Ravinsky and they like were sort of workshopping it and got to Rabinovich from that but that is the source of that Makes sense I mean we did say last week it was just a theory that these people are connected But we we like facts on this podcast We certainly do Sometimes. Speaking of facts, our listener, Renee, who has a business read by Renee, did a little star chart work for us. Speaking of facts. That's what I'm saying. Controvertible facts. To recap, you are a Cancer. I am. Kai is a Capricorn. I'm a Libra. We actually heard from a couple people that Cancers and Capricorns are like match made in heaven. Sort of. You and Kai. This bears out in my experience. You hear that, Rob? Together forever. Birds of a feather. fish of a feather something I don't know I a Libra just am here to balance the equation apparently but okay for Rob having the sun in cancer means his ego and life force energy think calling and what lights him up is tied to cancerian traits such as caretaking emotional bonds having a good read on others i.e. intuition boundary issues etc. okay yeah I don't like being perceived but okay Renee said without knowing everyone's charts what I'd offer is that your group has a dynamic balance of elements. Libra is air. Capricorn is earth. Cancer is water. Capricorn and Cancer are sister signs, which means they are polar opposites and will move through the world in complementary but also starkly different ways. Having a Libra in the mix is hilarious because they're the peacekeeper and round out the team to ensure everyone is on the same page and collaborating harmoniously. I do find that to be true. Okay, great. Well, here we are. A perfect trio for a podcast. But it sounds like we need, If we have a firebender in here, all of a sudden we got a journey going. Okay, all right. What's Prince Zuko up to? Let's give him a call. Morning Glory Milking Farm. Yeah, I've heard of it now. A couple things. The three of us did discover that there are multiple books in this series. Rob, would you care to share with the class what we learned about the following? So Morning Glory Milking Farm is about a minotaur. Yes. Being milked. Do you remember who the leading men of the following two books are? I was alarmed to find out that it was a Mothman. Yeah, that's how you pronounce it. Is it not? Mothman. A Mothman. Baby J. Zell. What? I can understand the vaguely sexual appeal and the dangerous draw of many mythical creatures. A Mothman. Kai, did you click that? I'm saying I can understand the appeal. someone's going to need to explain mothman i feel like i already explained it to you first of all kai destroyed destroyed his entire algorithm looking this up for us um the mothman is adjacent to the whole like fairy smut movement inside of the romance novel why not just make him a fairy because we're dealing with like mythological monsters a mothman is a mythological monster Is it? What mythology? There are Mothman horror movies. Well, sure. They're prophecies, in fact. Okay, great. And the third one was Werewolf, which is kind of basic bitch, to be honest with you. To follow up Minotaur and Mothman with Werewolf, I think they could have done better, frankly, at that point. The real Rise of Skywalker of this trilogy. Our listener Elsa your question was to quote one of our listeners how could this be profitable for Frito You like what is the point of milking all of these Minotaurs Exactly Well I think it just one right Oh, I know. It's a milking farm. So I believe it's a whole like. Oh, wow. We have a lead character and her hero Minotaur, but I think it's a whole farm system of Minotaur. So she establishes relations with one of the Minotaurs on this farm, but presumably not the others. Is it plural of Minotaur Minotaurs? I would assume. Okay. Minotaur. Minotari? Minotari. Okay. We were going to talk about the pit in a second. I'm not sure we are. Elsa wrote in to let us know that the answer is stronger, quote, stronger erectile dysfunction medication. Yep. And then she said, anyway, I don't actually want to go into the details of this. I like how you crack this door open and then you slam it shut. Okay. These last four are very, very on topic. Okay. Jennerone. I love this. Jenna wrote in to let us know that there is an age-old, deeply rooted feud in her husband's hospital between nurses and the lab. Did you read this email? Yes. It cracked me up. Nurses apparently, quote, never label their samples correctly, and the lab scientists, quote, always send samples back for, quote, frivolous reasons. Their battles are many, Jenna wrote, and vicious. These people's grandchildren will still be fighting over whether or not a particular fluid sample needs to be double bagged in the pneumatic tube system. At the beginning of episode four, I mentioned to my husband that it was so nice the pit lab got the bulimia patients COVID and flu tests back so quickly. My husband quipped back while they probably had to set it back a few times because the goddamn nurses didn't label it correctly. I, Jenna, immediately stuck up for our queen Dana, insisting there's no way Dana isn't insisting all of her nursing staff. They label their tubes properly. Cut to several minutes later when Dana tells her nursing student not once but twice that she needs to initial and label the tube with joyous blood in it. Sweet, sweet victory for me, who loves to be right, as well as victory for those pit lab scientists who probably very much appreciate those impeccably labeled samples. Not a victory for Emma, though, who proceeds to throw that tube directly under a rolling cart. She's just like, oh, bah. To the previous email, Emma's portrayal so far is pretty rough. I agree. She's by far the most babe in the woods character on this show. Just seems to have the least institutional knowledge, not only of how to operate in this space, but like what she is doing on literally any level. I'm going to need some sparkle from Emma soon. I hope we get some. I don't think we got any Emma in this episode at all. No. So sparkle soon to be determined. If you are listening to this podcast and you know of other feuds inside of the hospital, Nurses V Lab is a great one to learn about. But if there are other canonical feuds, I would like to hear about that. We love a feud. Truly. We got an email from a listener who denied, you know, put her name on the email, but identified as someone who has a son who is deaf. And she said, the number of times healthcare providers will look only at me and speak to me instead of to him is honestly staggering. It feels like something that should be obvious. Look at your patient when you're speaking to them and don't talk about them as if they're not there. And yet sadly, it's incredibly common. I really appreciated the show highlighting this and bringing awareness to such an important, often overlooked issue. And I really agree. I don't think we spent a lot of time talking about it, but like we love Donnie. Donnie is great. Donnie is also new to his position. It's true. And so is learning on the job here in triage, doing a great job, but kind of fucked it up in this particular exchange last week. We didn't really talk about it. Anything you want to say? I mean, I think the difficulty for people in these spaces, especially in someone in Donnie's position, I'm trying to maximally absorb the information as it's coming. Right. For what you would want to look at the person who's speaking to you, even though that's technically not the person who's actually conveying this information, it is difficult to walk. And I think especially in these like ER type environments where it's so fast paced, it's so fast moving, like this is not, you know, going to see your normal primary care physician and having an established relationship. And I like that we get to see Donnie learning on the job in this way and figure out how to communicate with different kinds of patients. As we've mentioned, we really like that the show, you know, the turnover rate is so fast on these cases that everyone has a chance to be a hero and then fuck up and then be a hero and then fuck up and so um nobody i mean maybe ogilvy in this episode but nobody is like left hanging out to dry for a long time didn't hang that out to dry gross you gotta wash it you gotta burn it honestly um but like you know the rise and fall of these characters is a thing we love about the Yes. Do you think we see any more of that deaf patient? Yes, I do. I would hope so. I would think of the things kind of lingering in the air. Baby Jane Doe. Baby Jane Doe. Baby Jane Doe. Harlow, I believe, is the name of the deaf patient. And then Jackson has just woken up for his psych exam. Right. We interact with Jada slightly this episode, but it's sort of like in a holding pattern. We'll come back to you. Yes. Harlow, I suspect, like the many frustrations of going through this system as someone who can't sort of advocate directly for themselves, I think is something that Pitt would want to sort of show us her entire day here in the ED. All right. Last two emails. An anonymous listener wrote in to let us know that Taylor Dearden has said, and I'm quoting an interview. I found this quote in Us Weekly. Quote, I think Mel is asexual. I don't think that's part of how Mel would think, especially at work. She's a hyper professional. So in terms of like shipping Mel with Langdon or shipping Mel with Boba criminal guy, that's not where Mel's brain is. Now, Mel seemed a little like, hey, this guy is flirting with me. Like, that's kind of nice. But I like that read. Our listener was writing in saying that they really liked the read of Mel, not oblivious to the fact that the guy was flirting with her. Not at all. But just like deeply uninterested in just doing her job, you know, trying to do her job. I mean, we should also say, even if that's true, asexual does not necessarily mean aromantic. It doesn't mean she doesn't appreciate a certain kind of affection or attention. That's true. Last but not least, several people reminded us that Victoria Javadi was also interested in the beauty social influencer who Samira treated for mercury poisoning last season. So she was like, how many followers do you have? And stuff like that. So Javadi's career as a social media influencer was seeded last season. That was a good reminder. I think it was seeded by... the state of modern life you know just all of this yeah and then maybe stoked perhaps by hearing that sweet sweet follower count i do have a um i have a quote from the actress who plays victoria javadi about this so she said in terms of this plot line like this isn't the last we'll hear of dr j and i hope not we have a video about tough uh co-workers to hopefully watch i don't know if get to see any of these videos. But this is what she said about, first of all, she said this plot line is here to sort of challenge preconceptions about young women in social media. And then she said, quote, I think her online community has built her self-esteem in real life. And she said Victoria is part of the iPad generation. Quote, it's a place that she's comfortable in a way that other generations I don't think can really relate to. Also, you know, she's a really isolated kid. She's significantly younger than all of her peers and she's been, and she has been for basically forever. She's so isolated in real life. So to find any kind of community, whether that's in real life or online is incredibly valuable to her. I'm really glad that she's like learning to have spaces where she's valued. And I think that her TikTok is a beautiful thing. So I thought that was really sweet. I also think it seems like a beautiful thing. I also would not be surprised if in its way it comes with its own professional repercussions, maybe not legal as we've made very clear, but for a not doctor to represent herself as a doctor does feel like a problem. I think that's illegal. Is it? I do. I mean, I definitely do. It seems like it would be. But we don't throw that term around loosely anymore, Jo. No. Frowned upon in this establishment? Could lose your license? But I think, I wonder if there's sort of certain loopholes in the social media space. Perhaps. Like if she doesn't, like what's her handle? Is her handle Dr. J? Or it's certainly not Med Student J. Yeah. So I don't know. That does an SEO. It sure doesn't. Okay. That's our, I'm telling you, these, these mailbags are, I know it's a lot, but that's not even all that we got. We get a lot of great stuff from you guys. Let's get into this episode. It's hour five, 11 a.m. And I'm going to start with, with might be MRSA, which is not MRSA. This is really, this case really exists to give us more Langdon and Robbie. Right. I have a really interesting quote from Noah Wiley about this, But like, I'm curious, like, did you have a favorite part of this particular action? I will just say when they roll the patient at the very beginning of the episode and Donnie is telling, you know, Robbie what's going on. And Patrick Ball is Langdon, like sort of heaves aside, closes his eyes like, here we fucking go. I have to deal with this now. I really like the way that Langdon was pushing back on Robbie, which is something that we said we were missing. I mean, he seems quite defensive in doing so. I couldn't follow whether or not he who was exactly right in that scenario. But again, it's that sort of like someone pushing back on Robbie's orders in a way that that we that we wanted or anything else that you that you've got inside of the storyline. I think even within the gray area of who is exactly right, you see Robbie's care over the course of this episode. I would say deteriorating based on the fact that he seems to be fighting battles everywhere all the time with everyone. He is spinning out in a way that clearly he is oblivious to, but many other people are noticing. And the case with Langdon is a great one where it's yet another case of a doctor almost like not even talking to the patient. He has kind of blocked her out because he is focused on this pissing contest he's having with Langdon about proving whatever Langdon says has to be wrong. It has to be something else. There have to be different criteria. right and this is a side of robbie that i think is really important to the show because there is the part of him that is impulsive in a way that will grab that woman's phone and and tell her boss like back off i will back her up and she will sue you there's also the part of him that will slice open that woman's leg with a scalpel just to kind of like prove a point and so you need all of that stuff prove a point but get her the care she needs as quickly as as he can get it maybe potentially save our leg again but this is this is why this character can exist in this space in the cowboy way that he does it's like some sometimes you got to be the cowboy but also it's a little fucked up to do that definitely fucked up we get the july effect rears his head again with his surgical consult we need adults in the room it's like cell phone to take photos for garcia we did have like many emails about uh necrotizing fasciitis um do not google that don't google image search it's not something you'll enjoy. It doesn't seem chill. No. But here's what I know why. This is really fascinating to me. Here's what he says about Langdon. He says, initially you believe it's because a student has betrayed the teacher and the friend has lied. Then poke that a little bit more and you can see where the teacher feels a degree of guilt over having had this happen under his auspices and he didn't notice it and wasn't there to save it from happening. You poke it a little farther and Langdon represents somebody who's just come back from the therapeutic road, someone who's had the courage to face his demons and to humble himself into admitting that he needed help and that he was in over his head and needs to rebuild his life in a more honest way. So to the unexamined person, Robbie, that's kryptonite. And he'll talk more about therapy, which I'll talk about a little bit later, like Robbie's hesitancy around therapy. But like the fact that Langdon, who is, yes, quoting lengthy passages from books, but also just like going up to like the guys on the betting board and just being like, I got rehab bills. Like I can't do that. You know, like he's just being very honest and open about sort of like, I'm working on myself. I did this. He's not lying. He's not hiding. He's like, I'm working on myself. I'm going through this. And Robbie's like, I can't look at that because that looks like something I should do and I don't want to. You know what I mean? So I thought that was really interesting. And it's the kind of thing where, yeah, like intellectually, I'm sure Robbie understands that this is a healthy process, but there is a part of him that thinks that the way you process being in this kind of space is going up to the roof every night or getting on your motorcycle, Zoom therapy with no helmet. And it makes sense that he would take that out in his way on LinkedIn, not make sense because he should, but because that's the way human beings unfortunately operate. And I think where, what I'm kind of waiting to see is again, like the repercussions this is having on patients. And another part of that sequence is when nurse Jesse asks him, like, should we get LinkedIn in here in case we need to intubate? And Robby's like, absolutely not. Don't even worry about it. And so in doing so, it's like, that's a woman who is in dire minute by minute changing condition. Seems like it might be a good idea to have a doctor in the room. I was so confused by Robbie walking out of that room at all. The alarms are going off and he's like, get her ready to intubate. And then he just walks out to check in on other things. I was very confused by that. That's a great call. I'm curious to hear from the many medical professionals who watch the pit and i guess listen to this podcast thank you so much why would you listen to us um to let us know like robbie slicing that woman's leg open is that like beyond the pale bad or is that sort of i'm i'm getting this shit where it needs to go sort of move yeah it's at least this is how you get sued like that category right dr alashimi would never you can't make a fun pun out of malpractice and robbie it's not just uncharging you know this is the ongoing plot of this episode is that santos keeps trying and failing to get her charting done because dr hashim has like threatened her essentially this is still like oh straight up threatened her one of the toughest things i think this character has done this season um and i hate that it's book ended with why don't you give my generative ai app a try like it's really tough i'm really trying to root for dr al and i like them like the moments that she pushes back on robin when she's like why are you treating me like one of your residents why don't you go ahead and give me the the download on your patients if I need to give you the download on my patients. All that stuff I really liked. But threatening her, Santos, and then saying, well, if you use my AI, it'll be fine. That's tough for us, an anti-AI podcast. It's tough for us as an anti-AI podcast, but also just tough in terms of these office interactions. These are two people in a workplace environment. You came in on day one, threatened Santos' progression, which as we know is maybe the single most important thing to her right and then try to swoop in a soft sell this platform that you think is very important like this is this is what's difficult about this character to me because you're right within this episode i think she does a lot of really good and and like considerate things and things that would get us on her side i like the way she's treating langdon exactly the kind of the kind of uh encouraging words she has with langdon absolutely i think the way she shows care for jada jackson's sister like she's doing and saying a lot of the right things or things that are just kind of like positive and representative of good caregiving but then she's doing stuff like this and i i just don't like the balance of that right now and and maybe it's meant to be that way but it's it just makes her a tough character to fully align with it's tough right now but this is the constant way in which the pit likes to challenge us we talked about this season one with santos or i would say i kind of liked her from the start but i think a lot of people were bumping on joy and then like have really come around on her yeah as Ogilvy's stock continues to plummet, she gets her shot in on Ogilvy, and then Joy has a great episode here. Definitely. We learn some more about her psychology. But this interaction that Robbie and Dr. Al have about AI, that he's saying, well, they would expect us to treat more patients all the while getting rid of these various positions, no increase in pay, blah, blah. Dr. Alashimi says, I'm not advocating for erasing my profession. And I wrote, you sure about that? In my notes. You sure about that? uh we get the lord off the do we already know she has a son we got i think that would that felt new to me yeah and says nothing can replace family which i don't know felt if that felt especially chilly to robbie who like very clearly does not have a family life that he talks about well that motorcycle does not have a sidecar you know it's really him out on the road all by himself somebody and the baby on the road i'm not putting baby jane doe on a motorcycle in any capacity That is a death machine. What if she's just encased in helmet? We need a full-on bubble. Yeah, a bubble for baby Jane Boe. That's the only way I'm willing to accept it. Okay, all right. But in this journey, again, we're trying to figure out how to empathize with Dr. Al more over the course of the season. The one part that I'm always going to have a hard time with is this is a woman who's, yes, very qualified, very sharp, walked into a new workplace and led with, you're doing everything wrong and I'm going to implement systems to fix all of the shit you're doing. And like, that's always going to be a tough sell for anybody who's there. I also think like she could have waited until tomorrow to start implementing. Seems like maybe she could, but for the structure of this show. The premise of the show dictates that she must do it today. I did like this moment when Santos turns down the, what turns out to be the necrotizing the fasciitis case. And this is the second one. I think we've second like exciting trauma that we've seen her turn down. She turned down one earlier when she was on The Case of the Young Girl where she was just like I want to focus on this, I can't get distracted by that. In this case she's trying to catch up on her charts but compare that to Santos who was just sort of like a dog with a bone in the first season just chasing anything that's more exciting, more exciting, more exciting. So that felt like a really good evolution for her character. Definitely so. And as the pit loves to do, it loves to highlight issues inside of the entire system. The show? so subtly often rom so this idea that doctors have to stay for hours after uh their shift is over just to complete their charting is you know a good problem to identify uh speaking about flaws in the system do you want to talk about the diaz family i would love to okay i mean specifically joy's part in this story which as you said like a really shining moment it was excellent really good i also like that it's kind of positioning her as like ogilvy is the book smart she's the street smart a little bit, right? It's like she's, she is understanding the ins and outs of the logistics of this by having a lived experience. And we've seen throughout the pit, the way that like these characters own lives kind of influence the way that they go about their practice. And for her, it's like how you maneuver in a hospital space. She's had to go through the system in a way that, you know, like Dr. Bangs maybe hasn't to date, really hasn't had to navigate a parent with leukemia or like the crunch of finances, right? Like everybody is coming to these things differently And she coming to this post through the wars of how do you possibly finance staying in a hospital when it prohibited for almost anybody I just really loved learning this information about her because I think it will make if anyone can stomach rewatching the pit, a rewatch really interesting because some of her earlier standoffishness when it came to like elderly and dying patients is just sort of like, this is trauma that she's carrying. I'm like, I'm curious what area of medicine she wants to go into where she won't be around dying patients. I'm not sure there is one. Um, but clearly she's like, she doesn't have her sights set on the ED. So she's not like given this rotation her all. Cause she's like, this is my nightmare of a place to be. Um, but like something that you could have chalked up to like callousness or, uh, frivolity or superficial nature or something like that is really her just, you know, a la Dr. Robbie not wanting to look at LinkedIn. Like, I don't want to look at this thing that reminds me of this really hard life event that I went through with my family. Pure defense mechanism, which is a more appealing in human quality than not caring that these patients are dying. Right. Yeah. That conversation happens kind of working in conjunction with Samira Mohan as well. And I like their exchange a lot. And in particular, Dr. Mohan's kind of established herself as, I think, like the one person in the pit who cops to being wrong the fastest. like she she gives joy the side eye when joy even raises the idea of moving orlando ds out of the ed and yet is proven wrong so quickly in terms of the financial relief that could offer to his family and immediately just owns it immediately says i was wrong i like i didn't i didn't judge that correctly just because she didn't have the information it's like i've never seen langdon do that i've never seen robbie do that i think it's one thing if you're a med student who's just like coming up so quickly and learning so much on the fly but for an established doctor to do that I don't know that we've seen it with the speed. I mean, we did see LinkedIn do that in season one with Mel with a neurodivergent patient when he was like, how'd you do that? I wasn't getting in there with him. And you really did that. To me, that's like a slightly adjacent thing. But I take your point. But I also take your point in that it's that a lot of these doctors have massive egos and are not inclined to admit fault so readily. Priya Ganesh, who plays Samira Mohan, gave this interview where she was talking about Samira's evolution as a character from last season. this idea that like she's learned how to trust her gut more than she's in season one she's better at balancing her time with patients than she was in season one she's like but she's still the empathetic patient advocate doctor that we see in season one so her being so insistent that there is a solution for the diaz family is sort of this evolution of that slow-mo uh stuff in season one she also said this really interesting thing she says she's quote she's on robbie's good side at the start of the show which is a great difference for her so this idea that like mercurial king robbie and like are you in his favor the sun shines on you and if you're not it's very cold in the shade oh it seems it so i thought that was really interesting and really telling i think you see a bear out of this episode too both in terms of that balance that she's found and the fact that she is on robbie's good side dr mohan's been being pulled in and out of rooms yeah we need you constantly we need you we need you we need you we need you and to me that is an outgrowth of everything we just talked about, but also an outgrowth of the fact that Robbie does not want to delegate anything to Langdon. And so you see the crunch that that puts on the next most senior resident to now have to do basically everything. Exactly. Let's talk about Nurse Noelle Hastings, shall we? Being very spicy with Robbie. Sharing some personal information on Robbie that Dana would prefer not to know. Dana's like pissed. She's like, why are you telling me? It wasn't even that personal but it's just like it's intimate it feels unprofessional i mean it is you know what i mean it's just sort of like he wouldn't want you like don't gossip to me about what he does in his bed like it felt like a way that noelle was like i like noelle i'm not like trying to throw under the bus but dana is like deeply uncomfortable with like both this relationship she thinks is a bad idea from both sides and then also that is true you know what i mean and like also she doesn't want you know she's like it kind of felt like noelle was like i know what he does in his bedroom and I want to tell you right now. It did feel that way a little bit. She's flexing a little bit. This is the other part of Noah Wiley's sort of talking about Robbie and therapy. This is a really interesting part. He talks about he alludes to this idea that in the ER you can make a ton of really deep emotional connections quickly, fast turnover, they're gone. It's a very, very high turnover rate so you can feel like you're getting emotionally nourished by being Dr. Robbie and coming in and patients love him as they should, all this sort of stuff like that. But then he doesn't have to let them know really much about him at all. And he doesn't have to be in that relationship for very long. He says about Noel Hastings, it depends on which frame you put around. And on one hand, you could say, oh, look at that. Robbie's got a social life. On the other hand, you look at it and go, oh, Robbie's got a social life where there's always an out. There's always an escape hatch. There's always a ticking clock on it and a point which he's not willing to go any further. We're looking at someone who flirts with connection but isn't capable of connection. There's no character who talks about having gone to dinner with Robbie or having hung out with Robbie. We never get a sense that he sees any of these people really except for Noelle outside the hospital. Even in that relationship, they keep it very professional at work to not have anybody. Really? Do they? To not have anybody specially. So you can look at it and go, oh, it's. Let me stop that right there. Everybody knows. She is making eyes at him while on the phone. Yeah. And once he pulls the like, let me just tie my shoe move again. Who are we fooling? This is how he ends the quote. So you could you look at it and go, oh, it's cool. He's feeling good enough today. But on the other hand, it's just another form of half ass therapy. So I love this. He also referred to Dr. Collins as the one who got away, which was an interesting wrinkle. Also, Noah Wiley said so in that scene last week where Whitaker is talking to Louis about Dr. Collins and that she's gone to Portland and has a child and all this stuff like that. that Dr. Robbie was not supposed to be in that scene. And Noah Wiley's like, what if I poke my head in and hear that? And we get to see how Robbie processes how he feels about that. Something I think that is interesting, though, in characterizing, in this sort of like, the pit is not an ER spinoff. Which it's not. Legally. Legally. Not an ER spinoff. The way in which his character is really unlike his character, Dr. John Carter. That's true. John Carter was like the new babe in the woods. He's the sort of veteran thing. I actually think he's kind of modeling Dr. Robbie a little bit on George Clooney's Dr. Doug Ross. And this does not... Would you not? That's kind of how I feel. I feel like Noah Wiley was at the very beginning of his career. He saw what Dr. Doug Ross did for George Clooney. And he's like, I wouldn't mind some of that. So this idea of like, if we think Dr. Alashimi is like flirting with him at all, which kind of unclear about that unclear. But Dr. Doug Ross, as played by in his primo prime George Clooney, walk around the hospital. Everyone's flirting with him. And he's like, commitment. No, thank you. But empathetic doctor. Yes. He's a pediatrician. He was just like so lovely with the children coming out of the hospital. And so I was like, oh, my God, you look like George Clooney and you're such a sweet pediatrician. And then he's like, no, no, commitment. No, thank you. So I thought that was interesting. And on like a much different level, I have talked about this before, but I have like a I have a degree of social anxiety. And one mode that I really, really enjoyed was when I worked in bookstores and I loved going up to the cash register, working the cash register, which like when I was like a manager, I wasn't supposed to do. but I love to do because you have these like really fun interactions with people and then they're gone. Yes. And it's just sort of like my social anxiety doesn't have time to kick in because it's just like two or three minutes, charming, charming banter. What are you reading? Blah, blah, blah. Joke didn't make you laugh. Bye. Like that's, that's like a really comfortable mode for people with social anxiety. So I don't think that Dr. Robbie is that, but I was like, I really relate to this idea of like, I love to get my emotional connection and social juice out of people who are just sort of like here and gone let's keep the turnstile moving yeah you know it's like in and out and i it makes total sense that of like a setting like the emergency room or icu you'd be establishing those incredibly deep connections that you talked about right but the fact that he can just put them off the fact that he can just wander from room to room in a way that even his subordinates can't like there's just so many ways for robbie to distance himself when he decides to do that and he pretty much decides to do it all the time dr jefferson who's here the psych consult is like surprised when Robbie calls him a friend, right? Oh, the F word. Oh my gosh. Right. A little facetiously, maybe. Of course. Of course. Dr. Jack Abbott. Is that a friend of Dr. Robbie's? Seems like a friend. At least a work friend. But they're also kind of like work friend of me is to a certain degree. Are they? I didn't really get the enemy vibe. Not enemies, but like in the, in their very first interaction, the very beginning of the, of the, of season one, there just seemed to be a little bit of like tension. I don't know. I don't know how to describe it. I think the tension is one of them wants to jump off a roof. At any given time. That's a real tension. At any given time. And it changes daily, hour by hour. That's a real back and forth, you know what I mean? Does Robbie have any other friends? I don't know that he does in any meaningful sense that we have seen. Right. And I don't get the sense that, as you alluded to in Noel's interview, has a very robust social life. Noel, he has a kind of intimacy with. Right. She knows that he keeps the TV on in his room at night because he can't stand any silence. I also did feel very seen by that. I know. guilty as charged on that front. But like by her own admission, it's more of like a seven week itch kind of relationship that they have. Yeah, exactly. So I like, this is really interesting to me. What about other, like, who do you think there's Mel and her sister? Who do you think in, of the staff here has the like healthiest home life? Healthiest or like most active? Cause those are not necessarily the most, the same thing. I mean, like I could see Santos, and Garcia getting after it. They're about town. They've got a lot of friends of a kind. Dr. Whitaker farming benefits. I mean, that seems like a meaningful relationship. You know? Okay. He's playing like Jerry Maguire with her son, basically. Tough. That never felt healthy to me. It doesn't go great. But then it does in the end. Mixed messages. That's a classic rewatchable is what happens the next day situation. I don't think that relationship is great for anyone involved. Dana has a lot of photos of like her family around True, but again, these people work so much and so intensely I think it's hard to then take some big part of yourself and give it to other people This is something that Fiona Dorff said about Cassie McKay That like, you know, we know Cassie is a kiddo That whole dynamic is very messy and fraught But she talked about like in terms of Cassie Perhaps risking her license, who's to say, to go on this date with this guy is that Cassie's like in her 40s has like fucked up in her life. Yeah. Married to a shitty dude, has a kid that she loves, had an ankle monitor for a time, but put herself through med school and just sort of like on the other side of this like grand reinvention of her life in her 40s and just sort of like, okay, what else? Yes. What else? What do I want to come home to? What do I want to like fulfill my life with? and so um hot guy in an art gallery also by the way we got some meals from people who are like 9 p.m date i don't think she's gonna make it like it's a long day you know at the pit well it's like is she still gonna be at the pit if there's an emergency oh i see what you're saying is the nine o'clock hour gonna come and go and she's just like i missed it i think she's gonna check out clock out girls got needs the art gallery calls okay okay so you don't care what the massive emergency that surely awaits us well let's talk about that for a minute because i do think there's a fascinating thing happening this season okay i've seen it and i've heard it and people i know who are watching the show of just like when is the thing gonna blow up right like i think some of it is the precedent of season one of the mass of having the mass casualty event that you know is gonna stir something up yeah some of it is just it's a 15 episode season and story-wise something has to shake something up but i'm curious for you how you felt about this season overall so far now that we're what five episodes in have you felt yourself wanting the thing to happen whatever that thing is crossing my fingers for mass casualty event ramoni i didn't say that they make good person thank you very much um i i talked about this i think a couple weeks ago where um i maybe it was just last week i don't know the betting board being back and then like it's a call by the way bad use of doubling down would not advise to bet on sinkhole donna you're a new dad you don't have money for this anyway i really do like linkedin not getting in on the betting because he was like such a like his compulsion and his compulsive actions around you know they call him like an adrenaline junkie around sort of the betting board or like i gotta go get this salmon for my kid or i got my kid a puppy and didn't talk to my wife about it and all these other things you know like i like how i gotta go get this salmon as part of the adrenaline junkie like profile rob's like please don't call me out like that god forbid a guy has a cedar plank you know um but i think that uh you know so again to watch him say no i can't to that okay but to go back to the betting board and the sinkhole terrible idea i agree but like it's the betting boards here it's a number of people's first day at work there's like patterns of repetition definitely and so in that way that's i think leading a lot of people to be like okay and next in the rhythm of the season that i understand is a mass casualty event so um or why else are we here on this day in the pit and could there you know is that something that's going to happen this season i would say probably could they surprise us a season it's just like a day in the pit i'd be down for it maybe we get i mean given that it's longer than one shift because they always have to have an excuse to have them there past their shift right it's true uh and it's not just doing your charts um but maybe then we could just get in a couple hours of the night shift one season it's true and you and i would never say that maybe that's this maybe we get dr bangs in the art gallery you know maybe we get these people off off the clock i don't think we're leaving the er casey boys is like the budget simply not tight for a reason um okay we've already you've already brilliantly covered ogilvy and mrs randolph's constipation anything you want to uh add to that there's no we in disimpaction I think is a pretty good line. Anything else? Even like everyone is over Ogilvy's whole deal in this episode even as he is continuously humbled over the course of these last couple weeks. It's just such a tough hang that I really again don't mind a shotgun situation in which he's covered in shit. This is the bed that he has made for himself. It's this smirk when Joy last week's episode had like a potential blood exposure. And he was like smirking, like she's out of the running. Cause she has to go like give some blood. Guess what, buddy? You got TB now. And shit all over. Which is apparently just a thing that happens. That's, that was a crazy, the more, you know, moment from the pit that if you are a doctor in, I think this, this, the qualifications were like an urban emergency environment, basically you're going to get TB. If Kai has 90 hours to spare, perhaps one day we should do a super cut of like, all the lessons that it has taught us about the medical profession. And just like after every single time, it's just like, the more you know, the more you know, the more you know. Along those lines, if you hear the stomach gurgle, run. Like you cannot be in the line of fire. Run, don't walk. And I gotta say, Whitaker. Or at least duck. Whitaker like backed up. Oh, he tried. He did. He tried. He sort of. Not that hard. Santos would not. She did not try. She knew just what to delegate. She really did. And which side of things to be on, frankly. The art of delegation. Speaking of Dr. Banks herself. we get this new case which seems like it might be a bit of an ongoing case which is roxy yeah and her husband and uh this hospice situation we get the return of lena who's the night shift nurse uh who is also a death doula this seems like it's going to really upset me this storyline it's already upsetting me quite a bit and i think upsetting dr banks quite a bit right to what you were just saying about how she's reached this point in her life of wondering like well what's next? What do I do with myself? How do I build a bigger, fuller life after everything I've been through? She's forced to confront in this episode, staring down, meeting this woman, Roxy, who is a similar age to her with similarly aged kids, going through end-of-life care because rapidly spreading cancer. And not just that, but seeing Roxy then have to reckon with the loss of her own autonomy in real time. Even just within this very brief period she's been here, has been forced to learn, oh, you thought you could walk around your own home where you were hoping to stay comfortable until your day finally comes. Now you're going to need a hospital bed. Now you're going to need a wheelchair. Now you're going to need to bring around these machines and these things plugged into you at all times. It's like you can see her world getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And like, why wouldn't Dr. Banks feel really acutely about something like that given, you know, her own relationship with her kid? I also think the depiction of her husband is really, really well done in terms of the cost. He's not complaining. And he's not talking about how hard this is. But how hard it is for Roxy to watch him to lose her own autonomy, but then to watch him, and we don't know what's happening with the boys, like her kids either, but she's got a 15-year-old son, so that's a boy on the verge of manhood who's like, how much responsibility does he feel inside of the situation? But to feel this is not how I think she should feel but to feel a burden upon the people you love and I really loved this portrayal of this husband I thought it was really really good because he's like he's concerned and he's grieving but there's also this sort of like I'm used to also getting things done which like Lena comes in and she's like I'll take care of it right but him knowing every milligram of what medication she takes. I think this dynamic is really, really upsetting and compelling. And one of those multi-episode arcs that... I don't know if this is an end-of-life story. Is Roxy a person who like I don want to do this anymore If this is not a kind of life I want to live anymore i don know that just some that a sense i get definitely story it definitely the suggestion of this episode in which she just wants to get up and go to the bathroom right and is forced to confront like the production that will be required to do that and then as she even attempts to do it and dangles her legs off the side of the bed and breaks down in pain and crying and as you said like her husband is there to comfort her but it's like to me like my read on her in that scene on Roxy in that scene is her coming to understand exactly how much will be put on her husband, on her kids, on everyone around her, so long as this is her current state of being. And it's like, that's an impossibly heavy thing for someone to carry. And I think introducing the concept of a death doula, which is not maybe a role that a lot of people are familiar with necessarily, is an opportunity to understand this idea of compassionate end of life care and what it means to be able to make certain decisions around that, even if it's not the decision. Certainly her husband strikes me as someone who's like, I want every single second with you. But is that what she wants? And how will that conflict play out? Is sort of what I'm anticipating there. I mean, it's only going to get heavier from here. Pretty devastated. We also get a prisoner comes in, Gus Varney, who was assaulted. And this, again, this story kind of feels like it's just getting started. But we get the frustration of the compassionate care doctors with the guard who is there with the handcuffs is your, I mean like this isn't really like a prediction podcast or a show or whatever, but the way in which the handcuff stuff keeps coming up, is this a like, we will wish he was handcuffed or is it more, um, can we not show compassion for someone even if they have done horrible things that have put them in a, in a position where people have, feel like they should be cuffed. I feel like this could be a place where the pit swerves against that expectation. And there comes to be a moment where it's like he's not cuffed for whatever emergency reason and there is some kind of episode or some moment where somebody's in real danger. Just because the pit does, look, it lives out with the best of them. It wants to show a particular view of people, of systems, of politics, of everything. But it also at some points wants to show that even the most well-meaning people can make critical mistakes because of the fact that they're well-meaning. Like going above and beyond just because you care is a good instinct, but not always the right instinct. And so I could absolutely see a moment where one of the doctors or med students is in danger because they either insist that the cuffs are not put back on or just by chance they're not put back on at some critical moment. That reminds me of one of our listeners, I cannot remember who, emailed to call out Jackson, the law student, that that whole character profile, the fact that he's a law student, the fact that perhaps there's like schizophrenia emerging, something like that, was the profile of a patient on ER who was involved. I don't even want to spoil this, even though ER was on like a million years ago, but like one of the most dramatically upsetting things that ever happened on ER, specifically happened with Noah Wiley's character on ER, is connected, played by David Krumholtz, a character that's maybe one of my earliest exposures is david krumholz um but like i don't think they're repeating that storyline someone was like i predict that this is gonna happen i'm like i don't think they're just like copy pasting one of the most famous and shocking er storylines over into the pit it would be a reason i would say they're explicitly not going to do that but that was an example where like compassionate care met its limit yes inside of a story so like um with with this guy gus varney who i believe I think his mouth is blocked, but I think it's him who says, Amen, sister, when Samira is like, that's just my mom calling Ignoran. I think that's this guy. Paper thin skin. Like malnutrition is sort of what I was thinking. You know, the skin strength of an 80 year old. Something degenerative. Like it could be a lot of different things. But at bare minimum, this guy's got a broken jaw, fractured ribs, like cuts and bruises all over his body. I mean he's in a terrible way and clearly needs a lot of attention and care but how that manifests and what at what costs I'm definitely eager to see I would like to acknowledge that previously I called out the pit for generations perhaps not knowing certain pop culture references when Langdon made a MASH reference and the fact that Whitaker doesn't know who MacGyver is does a Dr. MacGyver work here now we're aware of what generation knows what love that this is what we needed from donnie though we needed langton to say pros from don't be like what but also i guess shots fired the cbs macgyver reboot which ran for five seasons from 2016 to 2021 but also did it did it exist i'm unsure lucas till would like you to know that it did exist again woody um that was an interesting moment because that was a real opportunity for like I think what I would expect from a beat like that is for Robbie and Dr. Al Hashimi to share a look of like these kids, they don't know anything, but they didn't like Robbie was already gone when, when Whitaker had that reaction. The look is between us and Whitaker or us and Mel. Yeah, exactly. Langdon and dry ice burn guy. Yeah. I'm wondering if this is like the real Yinzer representation that people have been clamoring for. We get a Jag off and a Yagooning me. Sure. And those both felt like strong Yinzer language to me. Jagoff especially. This has become like a surprisingly gooning heavy podcast. I don't know what's happened around here. When were we talking about gooning before? I mean, just given all of our milking farm representation we've had on this pod, which is just a gooning subgenre all its own. Sure. You know, there's just a lot of gooning happening. I guess Jagoff, that's also the origin of Jagoff. I loved these brothers, these horrible brothers. Anything you want to say about this? I mostly love that there was just zero hesitation from Langdon and Donnie on wanting to see the video. Yeah, I want to see this video. The most human interaction on the entire show is like, how could you not? Yeah. The Donnie and Langdon friendship is really a treasure for us this season. I just love this on the pit in general that for as weird and crazy and gnarly as things get, a doctor will sometimes just like stop to snap a picture of some crazy shit. Of someone with a fork up their nose. I mean, how could you not? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The family crest being the Penguin's logo? Seems fitting. If you and your brother were to get a family crest, what would it be? Maybe the logo to Wet Hot American Summer. Really? You know, why not? Full back tat. Wow. Okay. We share many things, but maybe that among all. Okay. All right. I love that for you. Okay. I can't even ask you this because you have shared tattoos. You have mutual tattoos with at least Mallory. Two people, actually. Who's the other person? Someone I don't talk to anymore. Wow. Cautionary tale. Interesting. Here's the story. Yep. I was in Austin, Texas. getting a tattoo like you do a tattoo I had planned for a really long time it's my almost famous tattoo the uncool that I have written on my wrist here I had planned this out for years a friend of mine and she was a really good friend of mine at the time was in there with me and she was like I want to get one too and I was actually like I don't really want that you can't do that she got it on her ribs my tattoo that I had been planning for a really long time and I didn't know how to say no so I was just sort of like neat maybe that was the first red flag and then we had like a massive friendship blow up yep and we don't talk anymore but i have a matching tattoo with her that i never wanted in the first place so you simply can't do that to other people like what you're like you can't co-op the tat you can't stolen valor a tattoo yeah especially when it's been a multi-year process these brothers they're in it together right they want that logo on each other's bodies as an expression of who impulsive teenage jagoff behavior and we were not that young that's a new category we're going to go through every week what was the impulsive teenage jagoff behavior of this episode it could be anybody all right so mr billings comes back with his the dislocated shoulder guy comes back he really wants something to eat or drink because it's been hours and he's been waiting to go in surgery. Um, I had, when I was, I, the first surgery I had last year, um, the, there was like a lot of emergencies came in before me and I don't, that's fine. I don't mind waiting. Um, and so then I could not like, I was there like all day and I couldn't eat or drink. That's fine. But my friend who was there with me was losing her mind. She's like, she can't have water. I was like, I'm actually fine. And my friend who is a much like a better hydrated person than I am was just like how are you surviving and i was like i don't know we're in a like a high stakes situation i think all of your other sort of functions shut down but i was like i'm fine but this guy wants a beer this guy's like give me a beer give me something i deserve it but i love that for you i love that you've reached a point in your life where you have more like a can't she have water friends if you were i will also have that tattoo friends you know what that's a real upgrade it's a real it's a real good point um robbie snags a beer and he snags it for louie and that brings us to louie i gotta say i don't know if you read the episode descriptions before you actually don't press play yeah did it tip the hand it was like langdon and robbie have to work together to save a patient that they really care about i was like who the fuck could that be guys and it was like in the three-line episode description the redditors have already been all over this like i i saw it in our screener site i was like did they put this up publicly and then i saw that the redditors are like r.i.p louie essentially so like and it's the end of the episode too like it's it's a wild thing to do but what did you make of um we'll get back to like whitaker and linkedin in a second but what did you make about robbie stealing a beer for louis i mean it's clearly an extension of his whole his whole deal okay it seems ill-advised it seems ill-advised it's not something dr collins would do like absolutely not clearly not but do you feel like he's like oh louis like dr collins always hooks me up like you think he's just trying to win friends you know and influence people i mean And I don't think that Heather would ever steal a beer for Louie. No. But like Robbie's like, oh, Heather, like Dr. Collins isn't here. I'll I'll help Louie in my own Robbie way. It's certainly an attempt to do something. Is it an attempt to help? I think he believes it is. Right. OK. Back to like the Librium and Whitaker stepping in. Oh, yeah. That was a real moment. I think really well executed by all actors involved. I do have some questions about Whitaker later in a crowded trauma room, talking through his feelings about it. This is one of my, of all the things that these shows do, including The Pit, one of my least favorite medical show tropes, which is a bunch of people mid-surgery or mid-procedure all venting about their individual plot lines across a body to each other or across a patient to each other. It's like, again, you couldn't wait 10 minutes? I understand you're running around all day. I don't mind having this conversation in this episode. I just really wish it had been a one-on-one that he had. Probably not with Santos because she's too involved in all of this. She's literally getting him wrist-deep in shit just for the sake of doing it. But I mean, Santos and... She's talked about this. Issa Brunas has talked about this, about how Santos this season is so unsure of herself. not just she's getting things wrong today but just sort of like she's really rattled by langdon being there like one of the last things langdon said to her was that she doesn't belong in in the ed and stuff like that so she's having like a real like do i actually belong here season versus her like very cocky first season um but yeah whitaker not in a crowded room that like gossip galore there's like tons of people in there what the fuck and then we hear langdon here is louie coding and then LinkedIn and Robbie get to work. I don't know what's going to happen, but I don't think, we've been saying for a while, we don't think Louis is going to make it out of this. How do you feel about this being the sort of like cliffhanger moment of this episode? I feel okay because I feel, I feel confident that it's going to resolve in a way that's not just like, oh, he's fine. Those are the most annoying cliffhangers. This is something we've been anticipating. And if anything, I would say the biggest surprise is that it's happening so soon. I thought maybe we'd have another episode or two with Louis. maybe do some more light dental work or something happening before he ultimately ends up in dire straits. But this is, I mean, it's coming really fast and I'm sure it's going to hit everyone really hard. Yeah. To your point about Robbie, the cost of Robbie's, I don't know, inattention or personal preoccupations, our listener, Travis, who's a doctor, wrote in and said, Robbie's a maverick and likes to be the person who lets the residents shine. A good example of This is Louie whom Robbie has not examined or talked to outside of exchanging pleasantries. This person says, I think they're missing a diagnosis, which a number of our listeners wrote in with the same diagnosis. But Robbie wants to let Whitaker shine because it makes him look like a good teacher. So this idea of like that there is, you know, like an upside to this. Robbie like one, you know, it's a teaching hospital wanting to encourage people to grow. But like maybe especially with Whitaker, who he's like is his shiny pet project. Right. he's not or like giving him as much oversight as perhaps he needed in a circumstance like this definitely i think there are lots of different kinds of hero complexes and robbie clearly has one and he likes being the doctor to swoop in and do the radical improvisational surgery but he also likes being the teacher too and being shown that he is right by proxy right i i feel like that's inevitably where we're going with this and ultimately it's one of those things where garen howl's like so good at playing sad yeah that it's almost inevitable he will be forced to he looks sad even when he's not i know he just has a little puppy face and that puppy's about to get kicked real hard by life and dealing with the after effects of that i mean he already did some of that in season one but the realities of working in this in this environment as tragic and traumatizing as that might feel to joy is like you just have to do this over and over like people will just die and die and die and people you care about will come through and they'll come back like you thought it was resolved but it's not right i feel like the pit unquestionably handles that repetition very well and and like the sheer attrition of what it's like to work in this environment the way we talked about this before but the constellation of people who will be impacted by this particular death like when you're talking about someone who is a regular yeah um and you think about langdon and his particular guilt around louis specifically robbie who has known louis and and um dana who has known uh louis for a long time perla who's been like really in the mix here with louis um this season um everyone's just gonna be what does it mean like we've talked about like we've seen this sort of like moment of silence but what does it mean when like a death like this occurs where it's just like someone who has no friends and family perhaps and and sort of no place to go like yeah the friends and family are the members of the of the emergency department yes that's where we're getting into very like at least maybe this is just me as like a west wing person but very like toby showing up for a random homeless veteran whose coat was found with his card in it like don't make me cry it's a devastating episode but you're right like all of the saddest things we've seen on the pit to date have mostly been people who have no association, whatever, with the doctors. A couple exceptions to that. But I would say some of the most heartbreaking plot lines are just random strangers having the worst day of their lives. Louis is not a random stranger. And some of the reason that Robbie is bringing him the beer is because he's not a random stranger. That's not a thing he would do to just anybody. It is a gesture of a kind. And again, is it the right thing to do or not? I think people can disagree. And probably the answer is no. I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about it, but it's also not textbook. And that is kind of Robbie's general zone. And it's certainly his general zone with somebody who he feels like he knows well enough to know Louie. To know, like, whatever happens today, Louie is probably coming back here one way or the other. And that's a fatalist way to look at it, but it's the track record. What's the saddest The Pit has ever made you? Like, what storyline got you the hardest? I think season one, I mean, look, like, the drug overdose teenager was tough walking. Like, everyone stopped the hero walk out. that one was tough but honestly for me i think it was the adult siblings trying to find a way to say goodbye to their dying father yeah um and learning what that really means that again it's i think this show is masterful in just the variety of cases it will present you and wherever you are in your life it's going to needle at that point in time really really hard and i'm not going through anything like that personally like right this second but we all stare down some version of that in time and it got me really hard that hero walk i think about a lot and also dr king dr mel king talking to like the little girl who's i almost forgot jesus christ this has been the pressey tv podcast a very uplifting and fun podcast to listen to i mean i did love the the woman who potentially exposed ogilvy to tv yeah consider minding your own business was a great line she's yeah you got time to let us do that where the fuck do you think i have to be like i really like to everyone is over his whole deal even people who just met him 15 seconds ago worst bedside manner in the entire and that's and joy is here and he clears that bar you know joy leaps over it not even close yeah yeah um all right did we do it i think we did it all right well thank you Thanks to Kai Grady. Always. And thanks to baby Jane Doe. And we'll see you next for our industry pod, which is coming early this week because industry is dropping early because of the Superbowl. I've never heard of it. So, um, I think our industry episode is going up Friday or Saturday, something like that. Somewhere a little, a little early and, um, prestige TV at Spotify.com and dr. Simon thanks at gmail.com. You work at a water park and want to let us know. it's a perfectly safe place to be. No one who works at a water park is going to defend it. They've been through too much. They've seen too many things. All right. Okay, follow up. If you thought this was an explosive shit episode, can you even imagine? Ron, come on. I'm sorry. Come on. What's the worst thing you, a water park employee, have ever seen at the water park? Oh, boy. And can it be Rom's Old Testament infestation story? I'm talking tens, if not hundreds of thousands of crickets. It was a lot. Texas seems like not a great place. All right. We'll see you soon. Bye.