Ep 88: Vegas for Swingers: To Grandma’s House We Go (Whispers & Red Rooster Review)

Find us at vanilla swingers.com and you'll find Kat's only fans page there too. You wish. Hey Kat. Yeah Leo. I'm going to record one of those silly disclaimers that you put at the beginning of the podcast. Real advisory sticker. Let's go because this is going to be explicit. Oh yeah we're going to talk about lots of sex. Lots of bad language. We might even have sex on the podcast. We might have. Listening to the noise of our love making. There might be nudity. But you can't see it on the podcast. Doesn't matter. You can hear it. You can hear the nudity. We might corrupt you if you're under the age of 18. That's the disclaimer. Don't listen. We're not professional. What else? And yeah we're not professionals. We know nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you want to try to sue us? Well we don't have any money either. Because this is bite-size and commercial free. We're not trying to make any money. It's fun. So if you like it. And tune in and listen. Subscribe. Word. That's a real one right there. Afro man. That song still goes hard. Afro man in the house. Oh man. Let me tell you something. Afro man in court trying to beat a defamation rap against some crooked cops. What happened? That broke down his door with a janky ass warrant for drugs and kidnapping. Who did he kidnap? They said that he had a sex dungeon in his basement. Did he? He didn't have a basement in his house. So what he did is the whole thing was captured on CCTV of the cops roaming through his house, rifling through his shit. And they didn't find anything. Nothing. All he wanted was an apology and he wanted him to repair his door. That's it. Because they busted down the door. They came in like a militarized swat team. With his kids there right? With his kids there. I think they had like AR-15 rifles drawn. Totally traumatized. Afro man is the chillest motherfucker that I think you'll ever meet. In fact, he's part of my dream blunt rotation. What about Snoop Dogg? Drop it like it's hot. Drop it like it's hot. Oh I ain't getting high with Snoop Dogg. He's gonna smoke my ass under the table. You'll be smoking and you'll have like an out of body experience. You're gonna say pass, pass, pass. Oh man. I wouldn't be hot boxing with Snoop Dogg. Okay. But Afro man, he is one cool motherfucker. He's a guy I like to meet. He's up there on the stands wearing a suit that's like the stars in stripes. Are you serious? I'm telling you so. He's a real one. He is a real one. And isn't he like making raps about the whole experience? The whole time. So what happened was the cops, they said they were traumatized and emotionally distressed by the songs he put out. Oh my God. I mean if that ain't some upside down world shit. And it was in Ohio, it was a good old boys network. You knew it was corrupt. I was worried about my man that it was going to be a corrupt judge. But he got off. But he won it. They were suing him. I know. Imagine minding your own damn business. Your own damn business. At one point, one of the cops going through his kitchen pauses by a lemon pound cake that he's got on the counter. Yummy lemon pound cake. And the cop look like he's had his fair share of lemon pound cake. Donut and pound cake. And so he made a song about it called lemon pound cake. And that's part of what they're suing him for. That he's traumatized that there was a parody made of his lemon pound cake obsession. That they were using their name and likeness to profit off of it. You get lemons and you make lemon pound cake out of it. But if Superman ran for office, that's the kind of politician that I would vote for. With his red, white and blue suit. Guess what Leo? What's up cat? We're live from Vegas. Oh, then it's what's up sexy cat? Yeah, why I'm not sexy at home. I'm just sexy. You're here. You're always sexier out of town. What are you talking about? Well, when half my suitcase is filled with sex toys and lingerie, how could I not be sexy? That's because you're on the prowl in Vegas right now. I am really on the hunt, but we're not going to talk about that. We're going to get to that on another episode. What are we talking about today? Because I don't... Since we're in Vegas, it is high time. We actually do some reviews of the clubs. And so there's really four main clubs. Five, if you count Green Door. You count Green Door. We've already done Green Door though. You split in hairs if you're calling it a sex club instead of a swinger club. So we've done Green Door. We've been to all the other ones, but we've never put out a pod review. So today we're going to take two that are sisters from another mister and put them together. Into one mashup. Whispers and Red Rooster. Well, I think the other thing that's interesting is that we'll also do these reviews with some time and perspective. Having had some experience in the lifestyle, sometimes you go to things for the first time. And it's like your hair is on fire and you're like, oh, it's so wonderful. I love it. It's a very romanticized version of what it is. So we went to both Whispers and Red Rooster over a year ago. God, it might have been two years ago. It was really early in our journey. It was two years ago. Ancient history, you say. Yeah. So we got some stories. We got some tales to tell from back in the day. Some of the things we got up to. There was no lemon pound cake involved. No, there should have been. There should have been. Squeeze my lemons. Who else is in your dream blunt rotation? Jacob Elordi. Jacob Elordi is in every one of my rotations. I don't care what kind of rotation it is. I want him. Okay. And I really like hero finds. Who's Sherlock Holmes. Like I absolutely adore him. Okay. So you got to type is what you're saying. And then Brian Gosling, he's just, he's just always there. He's getting a little older, but I still like him. He's aging out. So like a Leo trades in a new model every time they hit 25. I'm going to make an exception for Brian Gosling. Yeah. We've talked about Red Rooster in the past a little bit. We touched very briefly on Whispers. And part of the reason is because the first time we went there, it's just a blur. I hardly remember it whatsoever. And we only went to Whispers the one time, what it was at two years ago, but we have gone back now. And so we're going to preface this whole review because the next review will be Playhouse and Flirts together. And I'll preface that one as well. I want to preface it with something. Yeah. Vegas should have better clubs. They should be way, way better. You've got a casino that looks like a Eiffel Tower, a Paris skyline. You got a hotel that looks like a kid's jumpy house. You've got a pyramid, Egyptian pyramid. Oh my God. What else do they have? They have a Caesar's. It looks like you're in Caesar's Palace. You're in like ancient Rome. And yet the Swinger clubs are meh. What's the saying? How to make a million dollars, start with $10 million and then open a Swinger club? Somebody with more money than cents, they should call us. They should call us because we would go into business with you because we would love to open a Swinger club and we would rock at it, but we don't got more money than cents. So I don't think we have cents. We don't have any cents. Absolutely not. So we're going to go to Whispers. Yeah. So we went last night and this is again our second time we've been. Well, it turned out it dropped to about number four on our list of things to do because all the other things fell through. So now we've dropped all the way down to let's go to Whispers. It was the only thing open outside of Red Rooster. We've been to Red Rooster again recently. We do not want to return there. So here we are going to Whispers couples only club. We're going to give you a balanced review of it though because it would be very easy to just rail on it, talk it down. Yeah. But the thing is it does have some redeeming quality. So let's go in order. It is about 10 minutes away from the strip. So it's close to the strip. That's actually a pro in their favor. It is. And it's only 15 bucks for the Uber ride and you don't have to prepay to go there. You don't have to buy a ticket on the website. You can decide in the last minute, hey, I want to go and show up. Because Red Rooster, for example, is 30 minutes from the strip. I can't believe that we ever went there multiple times. And that is a really big amount when you're trying to have sexy fun. You're taking away 30 minutes on the way there and 30 minutes on the way back. And Red Rooster more often than not is a complete dud. So if you're investing an hour round trip, have more similarities than they have differences. The honest truth of the matter is, is that Whispers and Red Roosters feels almost like they could be owned by the same person. It's your own uncle's 70s, Shag carpet, fishbowl, keys, swinger plays. It feels like a 70s swinger kind of club. When you pull up to Whispers, it is an old rancher that's seen some better days. Well, everything inside is sort of the original. The door is like the stained glass door. The brass door knobs have been worn since the 70s. And it feels like a whole. It's definitely an original. It's authentic, but it's definitely rooted in that sort of swing in 70s feel. And it feels like you're going to your grandma's house and we turned it into a swinger club. I think you described it as like a Kiwanis club. Yes. And that is in someone's house. Yes. So you walk in and first things first is it's cash only. Super cheap. It's only 50 bucks on Friday, 60 bucks on Saturday. That's another pro. That's a pro. That is absolutely in their favor, but it's not a pro. You've got to pay cash. Well, in this day and age, yeah, you would think they would be able to. But you know, when it comes to banking institutions, merchant accounts, it probably can be tricky because they got to play a certain percentage. Have to say that you're signing up for credit card processing. No way can you say that you are a swinger club. So they're for sure going to have to lie about what it is they're doing. You know why they can't do it? I know why I'm just making this up, but I'm pretty sure it's donation only. And that's the way they get around that it's BYOB because it can't serve liquor. But if you bring your own, so they can accept credit card payments probably because you're just going to grandma's house. Okay. Let's set the stage here. It's a 10 minute Uber ride from the strip. It's in a suburban old rancher home, decent looking neighborhood. Cash only, but a very reasonable $60 a couple or 50 bucks on a Friday. You have to know going in that it's going to feel like your auntie and uncle's 70s rancher house. When you roll up to it, it's a pretty big property as far as being that close to the strip. Yeah, it's very large. There's parking in front, parking in back. Most of us, if you're a tourist, you're going to be Ubering in like we did. And my guess is that whispers is one of those businesses that fought the good fight back in the day when the local municipalities were trying to throw them out. We don't want that kind of thing in our neighborhood and there's still standard. So for that, we can really appreciate that because you got to give respect on that front. When you go, they have a two lengthy signup process where you have to sign like this three page. You're talking about like Illuminati's consent talk. It goes on for far too long. It does. If it's your first time there, you get three pages. It has all this stuff about consent. No photos, no this, no that. Don't tell anybody about everything and you got to sign it. You got to print your name, sign your name. It's a little much. In fact, we got there pretty early. They opened at nine. I think we got there around 945 10. And by the time we got there, there were probably like eight other couples waiting. Yeah, it was backing up like a bottleneck. And for what? Every other swinger club we've ever been to, sure, you have to show your ID. We'll take Red Rooster as a counterpoint. Anything, do you? You walk in and they say it's 40 bucks. You hand them $40. You don't even show them an ID. And so I don't know what the difference is being in the same municipality. It is a bottleneck. We felt it the first time we went. Michael and Karen, they're both really nice people. I think they're married. I don't know if they live on property. I don't know how long they've owned it, but I don't think they own it. I feel like they're managers. And he's like a New Yorker with a really thick accent. He's kind of like, oh, just sign all this shit. You know, who cares? It's just, you know, it's all about NDA. And he's kind of got a snarky. Yeah, he's a cool guy. I like him. Kind of sarcastic and friendly. Yes, I do always feel like if another club can do it a way where it provides less friction. Less friction because the only friction you want to have at a swinger club is when the dicks are rubbing doing something. But I wonder if you're a newbie, do you actually appreciate sitting down and having somebody walk you through holding your hand? They do give a tour when you're done. They gave a tour to like three, four couples at a time. That's another pro in their favor. And the tour since Michael and Karen are busy signing you up, they have volunteers that go around and tour you all around. My takeaway from them is everybody involved with Whispers seems like really nice people. They're very well intentioned. Their hearts are in the right place. And they definitely are trying very hard to make it a good venue. In sort of modern lifestyle parlance, I think that some people expect a more polished product and Whispers is a little more down home country. And Whispers is also known in Vegas circles for being the club that allows everybody. There's no vetting. There's no worry. I won't get in. You're talking about a place that isn't as much a place for the plunderedies. It's for the normal people, which at the end of the day, that's what all swingers are. They're just fricking normal. And I think that that's a pro in their favor too. I do too. Because I don't have any idea what the hell they're vetting for. It is a more mature crowd. It definitely is the typical 35 to 55 plus. And I'm not sure there's any 35 year olds. It's more 40 plus. Another positive for Whispers is its couples only. And so if you're scared and you're a newbie, this is the place to go. If this is kind of on your, you know, ironically, it makes an easy target to roast them. But like the lifestyle where the people that are part of the lifestyle come from all walks of life, all shapes and sizes, all colors of the rainbow, Whispers sort of represents that that lifestyle clubs also come in different flavor. One for all, all for one. Everybody's welcome. And that is really one of its strong suits. You know, there's somebody on Reddit. I will leave him unnamed, but he is kind of part of a club here that does do some vetting. They all the time say the only clubs you ever want to go to in Vegas or Playhouse and Flirts. I think you have to take it with a grain of salt. If it's coming from somebody who has a financial conflict of interest to pump up another club, I'm here to tell you that we don't have a financial interest in either one of them. We don't have a financial interest in any of the five of them in Vegas. And so we're going to tell you like it is. With that said, I think there are pros to Whispers. I would hate it to be someone's first experience. I would hate it for it to be someone's last experience. You see, it's okay if you go there, even if it's your first time at a club. You mean if you then say that, I'm never going to go again to another club. But if that's your takeaway that this is what the lifestyle is like, honestly, that's probably what my impression of the lifestyle was like before we got into it. Here's the main reason why we feel like it could be somebody's last impression of what a swing or club is like, is because it feels like you're in grandma's house, a Kiwanis club, it felt very unsexy. And when I go to clubs like Twist in San Francisco, Trapeze in Florida, Scarlet Ranch in Denver, they just ooze sex appeal even though the clientele is exactly the same. I guess you were saying you were struggling to feel that electric sexiness in the air. I think it's less to do with the clientele. Sexiness in the air. I think it's because the ambiance is just not there. They're trying hard, but it just felt like I was in grandma's house. The atmosphere feels like you have a lifestyle enthusiast rather than a polished business. And they're just doing it for the love of the game. And they've taken their rancher home and they've decorated it in sort of a kitschy themed way. Right. And I think that some lifestylers come in expecting it to have more of a polished business. To look a little bit more like a nightclub, right? Yes. So when you walk in, even though it's a rancher, you're like, oh, I'm transported. It looks a little bit more like the nightclub I'm expecting instead of the Kiwanis club is hosting their monthly meet-up. Rather than it being in a swing or couple's house. And so they have BYOB, also a positive. You go and deliver your liquor to a really friendly bartender who I think's been there like, what'd she say, five years? Although I don't think she cared for us too much. She absolutely, she didn't like us. Well, that's because as soon as she poured my drink, you put it next to me as I was talking to a couple with my head turned. And he spilled the whole damn thing. And I made some hand gesture as I'm apt to do. Because he is just, yeah, I talked with my entire body. And I turned around and there was a cup that was not there. But you know what was great? We brought champagne. We always bring champagne. And I don't think we've ever been asked in a swing or club, would you like it to be just straight champagne? Or would you like some juice at it and make it a little mimosa? That was a nice touch. It was nice. We made a little mimosa. That was nice. And I think that's the fact that whispers made the best chocolate chip cookies straight out of the oven because it's at a swing or couple's house. Yeah. So they have a little bit of food, some sliders, some chips, some veggies and the most delicious chocolate chip cookies. I might have had three. Can't store all of them. We took like seven. Oh, and there was potato salad because there's no one in club meeting without potato salad. It has to be potato salad. I'm surprised there wasn't coleslaw, a potluck. It had that feel to it. It did. It really did. And that was really where it felt a little anti sexy. I'm like, my aunties are here and I'm not feeling sexy. You talk about the auntie who puts on way too much lipstick and then comes in for a lip kiss. Not another one of them lip kisses. Yes. That's exactly what it felt like. You can wear whatever you want, dress sexy, but you can wear cargo shorts and you'll be right at home, which is why it's the every man club. But I like to give a more nuanced perspective about it because I appreciate that the lifestyle should have a space for everybody in it. And so on Friday nights, we counted, we think there about 100 people. And I understand Saturday nights probably three times as many. I think it's upwards of 300 people and busier would have definitely been better. Agreed. We talked to tons of people because that's kind of what we do. The whole DJ dance area, they had a stripper pole for some reason they had karaoke going on. I don't know if they do that every Friday or something, but there was no dancing going on. How the f*** am I over here being the devil's advocate for whispers? I'm a little surprised. You fired up this pod expecting that we were going to go ahead and take him to the clinic. I thought it'd be fire and brimstone for sure. I think I just realized that. They're just sweet. You know, they are good people. Their heart is in the right place. They are doing it for the love of the game at $60 a couple. It's definitely. You gotta love that. Yeah, it's definitely worth giving it a shot, especially if you're the every man. If you want to show up to a swim club wearing some cargo shorts, this is probably your club. There's too much snobbery and ego from a lot of couples in the lifestyle where they think, we're the pretty people. So let me talk a little bit about one of the positives, one of the pros that also turns into a con. They have about seven or so playrooms and some of them are decorated really adorably kitschy. They've got the Alice in Wonderland room, black light. They have the purple rain room with Prince and purple purple. And then there's like the room that has like the doctor spider chair, like the OBGYN chair. The OBGYN. We never really actually, we have done that. We've done that in Fade Morgana. In Amsterdam because it had that had like the power vibrator room. It was plugged in. You like the power vibrator. You know, there's a few group rooms with a few beds, but this is where the con comes in, except for the exception of like one or two rooms, all of them have doors that you're allowed to close. They also have chains that you can put across the door. I never knew what any of the other rooms looked like because every door was closed last time we went. And so I find that a bit of a failing because you're there to be an exhibitionist. You're there to be a voyeur. Well, how many rooms are there total? I think there were seven. So you got seven rooms total. They do have a signage in there that says limit one hour of usage, but you take seven couples and you close the door. And they're not always going in with another couple and getting their freaky on. They're probably just, oh honey, let's go in and just close the door and have some fun and like grandma's house. You take a place like Twist in San Francisco. Yes, it's tumbling mats on the floor, not the sexiest of things, but there are no rooms that you can close. You find a little spot on the tumbling mat where you can be beside this couple and that couple and you do your thing and you have to be wearing lingerie. It feels like a LaMaze class. And it is sexy as fuck. What the segment? I just said a LaMaze class and you just said it's sexy as fuck. Well, I think it's sexy. It basically feels like you got a bunch of couples sitting on tumbling mats. It looks like a free-for-all orgy and it's not. It does. And so that's a little bit of a failing. I don't like the clubs that allow you to close a door. If we were to open up a swing or club. There'd be no doors. I don't mind having the chains on the door. Like I want people to watch us but not join in. That's okay. But to just close them off, I agree. It closes off like a third of the entire house. The whole club seemed a lot smaller. And then they have this really interesting room in the back that also never gets closed. It's called the BDSM room. And we actually spent a lot of time there because they have volunteer couples who will do everything to you. Floggers, Violet Wand, St. Andrew's Cross. And every one of the volunteer couples, they were very much into it. It was something that was... They wanted to teach you. Yes. And we really don't know anything about BDSM. We've kind of watched it. It's not really our thing. We watched it on the Bliss Crews. So I decided I'm going to let... I did let him get flogged because I thought he probably deserves it for something. Oh! Bruh! I did let Mrs. Volunteer flog you but you were dressed. You were not naked. Did you like it? It didn't do anything for me. You had me flogged and I didn't like it. Okay. I was like... That doesn't like that. I was like, ow! But you don't know what you don't know and now I know I don't want to be flogged. But it's interesting as they do it in such an educational way. I highly advise if you go to Whispers, try it out because they're going to do some things on you at your consent level. And you get to try something out. They'll even show your husband how to do it to you. I also think it goes to a theme that runs through Whispers. There are volunteers and you can tell that the volunteers, they enjoy working Whispers. They have a passion. They have a love for the lifestyle. This couple has a love for BDSM and it shows. And so again, we've often said that when it comes to a place of business, a venue, so goes the ownership. So goes the vibe in the club. You've got to give them some credit for the idea that the people there are good people. They're kindhearted people. They're very welcoming to all. They care about what they're doing. They're doing it for the love of the game. It does not feel like they're doing it for the love of the money. We do it for the love of the game. We have a lot of passion. And so while the ambiance left a lot to be desired for us personally, I can appreciate that they have their hearts in the right places. Yeah, it's not a club for us. Lifestyles on the younger side. And for us, we've been to a lot of clubs with really amazing ambiance. And so I like a really nicely, smartly decorated themed club. They have an enormous outdoor area, a pool, which they have open in the daytime. We haven't been to one of their pool parties. It must be easily 2,500 square feet. And I understand that their pool parties are pretty great. Again, because it's come as you are, be yourself. There is no vetting involved and you can go be naked. You had people sit around fire pits and they were just socializing. Some of them felt a little more clicky as if they were regulars. But really, if you just go in there and open the mouth, everybody is so welcoming. I do remember though, the first time we went, we did play in the Alice in Wonderland room because that was the only room that was open. And when we went back this time, I couldn't believe that you said that this was the room we played in. I actually said, this is the bed we played in. And I'll give you the little TLDR. We were so new. We're talking like, new or the new. And we got down on a bed and another couple was there. And I shared my vibrator with her. That's right. That was the first time and probably the last time you've ever done that. Did he touch me a little bit? Like my arm or my leg? No, he was pretty cautious about keeping his space. Maybe she and I canoodled a little. You girls were doing your girl stuff. Yeah. It was MFFM as is the kind of the way it is for newbies. Yeah. They were a little bit older couple. And I think they were being kind of respectful knowing that we're real new to this. And then I remember a third couple because it's two beds in that Alice in Wonderland room. A third couple was on the other bed and they tried to come on over. Well, ironically, the couple that we were on the bed with, they waved that couple off. I think they felt like, no, no, no, we're trying to actually make time with this couple. And we didn't really do anything, but it was kind of hot at the time. We liked it. That felt pretty titillating. I mean, it was so new. This is probably before our first even hell yeah, MFM that started the whole pod. We're talking new. That's when we went to Whispers. Yeah. But this time when we went back, I looked at the room and it felt positively tiny by comparison. I thought it was at least double the size. Oh my God. Because when you first go to clubs, when you're so new, everything just feels so new and so big and expensive. It's like that phenomenon when you're a kid and you go someplace and you go back to the goal. Like Disney, you're like it's small. And it looks tiny when you go back. That's kind of how it was. I like Ambience. So I like a good, I like good ambience. We'll see. I got friends in low places. So I don't mind. I got the same friends. The little down-call country. Yeah. But would you go back? That's a good question. And I wouldn't say it's an automatic no. In the same way we went there, because it went from worst to first on that Friday night. Because they have such limited options in Vegas and it's a really cheap option. If Whispers turned out to be the only available choice, I would probably make time to go there. Just to be maybe social, hang out. You say no. I can see the look on your face. You've pretty much said our Whispers days are done. I know. We don't really go to clubs as much anymore. That's not really our vibe, especially couples only because Leo and I are, kind of on the threesome bent and we're hoping the couples, but... As we're taking the Uber ride over there, that exact thing, that we are at a stage in our journey that's pretty far along now because... We're in advance. We were just doing, we were still newbies. We are newbies. I am a low-mile newbie. Thank you very much. We're still very newbies, but our tastes are evolving. Our tastes for what experiences that we're seeking out are changing. They're changing by like the day, by the month. You're just like, whoa, I don't want to do that again. Or it's really fascinating. The fact that just a couple of pods ago, we were waxing about feelings. We want experiences where they're three-dimensional. That's a bit of an advanced E&M move. It is because you still see people, the chattering on the internet about, oh my God, feelings in the lifestyle. Feelings with swingers is supposed to be just sex. I don't know what you're talking about because when you can have that friendly feeling, kind of collide with the sexual energy, it's just next level. When we were talking with a newbie couple at Whispers, who was from Idaho, they were an attractive couple. I think they felt like, oh, maybe this could be a match or something. We were talking with them at one point. They looked like deer in headlights. For a newbie club, for a newbie going to any swinger club, be social. Because you don't just talk to people you think are attractive or people you want to fuck with. It's just fun to make friends. It is. And also, there's this weird karmic energy that happens in the air. When you do more things, when you put yourself in the path of good things to happen. We call it churn. If you keep churning, good things are going to happen. Just like if you've got a Cassidy or SLS SDC profile, and you're not really doing anything with it, you're not reaching out to people, guess what? Your profile is going to be crickets. If you're treading water, it means your head is above water. You're moving. You may even get bitten by a shark. But if you stop treading water, you're going to sink straight to the bottom. So something's going to happen. Maybe it's good. Maybe it's not good. But if you don't do anything, nothing's going to happen. But it won't be boring at least. Right. And we're going for not boring. It's interesting though, we're talking about the evolution of our lifestyle journey. Almost that clubs are starting to... They're losing their shine. They're thin. Yeah. The value proposition doesn't feel there as much. We're not really going there and finding what we're looking for in most circumstances. Right. Then it becomes, can we be social? But being social drains your battery. Clubs are great when you're first starting out as a newbie. And I'll tell you why. Because you don't have your preferences in place. Any strange. And it's like an all you can eat buffet. And you're right. Any strange is electric. And so some people are going to like the potato salad on the buffet. And some people like me are going to like the chocolate chip cookies. But when you get further along, your tastes become very refined. I mean, we have very narrow focus of what we like. It makes it a little more difficult to find what we're looking for. And it's not always at the clubs. It's most often not at the clubs these days. And if we go to a club, we're going there strictly. We're going to go and be social. And so for us, that's why ambiance does matter. Because I want to be surrounded by, oh, this is kind of fun and themed and or it's sexy feeling or there's dancing. Because maybe I'm not looking for a playground. Well, you go to a place like Feta Morgana or Fun for Two in Amsterdam. Which we'll do. And we'll do a review of them. And when we go, it's like a labyrinth. You go from room to room, floor to floor. And you're like a kid exploring different places. In this haunted house. It's a really cool ambiance. Sometimes I feel like with the clubs today, we feel like the juice is just not worth the squeeze. The cost. Sometimes it runs. Oh, if it's 100 to 150, then it's just not worth it always. Is that what you want? And so whispers is solid, solid number three in Vegas at this point. Yeah, I think we always have to preface it by saying none of the clubs in Vegas are great. Some of them are good. Playhouse LV gets listed as the top billing. Flirts gets probably second whispers third red research. Red research for Green Door fifth. As an introduction, Playhouse LV makes a decent club. If you go and you seek out other clubs that are a little bit better to a place like the Scarlet Ranch in Denver, Colorado, Fade Morgana or Fun for Two in Amsterdam or Le Chandel in Paris, you'll realize that there's a lot of upside potential from Vegas. Should we just sort of give a TLDR on whispers then? It's close to the strip. It's convenient. You can take a chance. Go out there. If you don't like what you see, it's only $60. That's a pretty good value proposition. And it is couples only. So if you're new and you're scared of having single males around, you don't need to be scared. And they have pool parties on Saturday and Sunday if you want to go and be naked in Vegas. The people who are volunteers, they seem universally lovely people. And I think that that counts for a lot. They also are able to run it like a business that when they say they're going to be open, it's going to be open. It's going to be open. You can bank on it. And if you want to have a violet wand and have an electric shock go through you while someone's doing something erotic to you, they have that too. The cons are it is an older venue. It's a house and it can feel a little bit like 70s key party swinger shit with fishbowl full of keys at the door. It does tend to skew more mature. So if you are on the younger side in the lifestyle, you may struggle to find what you're looking for. And the playrooms situation with where you can close the door, it does leave a lot of space where you can't be a voyeur for the exhibition. It's because doors are closed. And in the end, I think I have to say it deserves some credit for its pros that I think can sometimes outweigh the cons. Because you take a place like Boca Negra. What are they? A new startup down in LA and they're trying to be the pretty people. It's invite only. You have to have a code to get in. And what's the price on that $250 for a night? And we had some people go there that are very dear friends of ours. And they said they're trying to portray some bullshit. It was in a hotel suite with like 20 couples. And it was absolutely a bomb. And so 60 bucks. I always have a lot of respect for a club where they're not trying to fleece you. And so for that reason, whispers can be worthwhile to check it out. It's comparable. It's decent. And even if it's your first time, know that there's probably a lot of upside from there. But there's a lot of swinger clubs like whispers all around the country that's in someone's home. Absolutely. Probably started 30 years ago. So it is a pretty common trope. It's not uncommon. I think that was an era of swinging that started in maybe the 80s. I mean, I could think of PK social and Reno. Fads in San Diego. They're all in people's homes. Yes. And it's just decorated like their backyard. A swinger couple that thought, you know what, let's do it ourselves. And you gotta appreciate that because those people are the people that probably fought the good fight. When their neighborhood H.O.A. was trying to throw them out of there. So speaking of that, red rooster has, I think, an even longer history than whispers. They do have a history of also fighting the good fight. So we can appreciate that for red rooster. And we can also appreciate that once upon a time it was like our first swinger club domestically after we came back from Europe. It was the first one we went to and we had some good trouble there. Yeah. So we went and we found a decent guy out of the red rooster. Yeah. It was about the time where I told Leo, you know, I kind of like guys and he's like, oh, how am I going to get my head around this? And he was kind of thinking we'd be doing kind of the MFF M a lot. And he got his head around it. We decided to try for a very soft MFM. It turned into a saga. We ended up going back about five times. And we never even hit the rooster again after we met him because we just went over to his house. So. Yeah, it was pretty janky. It was just the whole situation. The whole situation. I mean, it was hot. In a sleazy kind of way. So we have a little bit of a fondness in our hearts for red rooster because let's talk a little bit more about red rooster. We could talk about our story after. You know, you could be woven in here. You can't really separate the two when we went, you know, again, it goes back to one of those things as you evolve in your lifestyle journey, your preferences become a lot more honed. And when they do, you don't really have as much patience for the not so good choices. And so you look back at some of the things that you did or some of the choices you made and say, I would do that again. Yeah. And he's still, I remember him as a very cute guy wasn't in that regard. I wouldn't do it again. I still do tenderness for him because I mean, it was our longest repeat for a guy. We saw him like five times. He might have had a troubling relationship with Bolivian marching powder. He might have. And we didn't realize until it went a little further along. And that was about at the fifth time we're like, Oh God, we can't do this anymore. Yeah, it's time to leave. But it was special because when we met him, we were so new. We were just not even oral soft spot. We were just fingers touching, kissing not of the mouth. And so he was the first blow job I ever gave someone. Yeah. And I remember it so vividly the first night you still think it was in the red rooster. I think it was at his house. But other than that, we agree. We were having a time, right? We were like touching and fingering and making me squirt. It was so exciting. It was so hot. And then well, as Dick was just right there. And I think you said, honey, you could lick him if you want. And I looked at you. This is how it happens, guys. This is how boundaries get nudged. We talked about this could happen at some point. And so we were prepared for it. I looked at Leo and I saw you sure. He said, yeah. And so I did. Well, it's funny because to set the stage, he was a Midwestern guy who had just recently moved from Memphis, Tennessee to Vegas. We love our Tennesseans and Vegas. Yeah. Vegas is a little like if you moved to Hollywood. Yeah. It can definitely chew you up and spit you out. And I think he was on. It can be a little soulless. He was getting to the getting spit out point. But very early on when we met him, he was still a very Midwestern guy. And by the fifth time, the city was getting to him for sure. And we realized it was time to exit stage left. But when we met him the first night, you know, he was, yeah, he had this real kind of innocent energy about him. But he got caught up with a stripper in Vegas. It got the better of him. The first night that we ended up meeting him, we started off in a playroom and then he said, I actually live behind the Red Rooster. Because they were closing. It was like two or three in the morning and we weren't done yet. And yeah, he said, you want to take this back to my house. And we said, well, how far away is it? And he said, we can walk there. He dated the daughter of the owner of the Red Rooster. So that's why he had this house. It was almost attached to the back of Rooster. Because he was a cute guy. She liked him. He was really cute. And so they gave him a free place. So here we go. Because he was sort of like golden retriever energy. So here we go, loping back into his house. And that was the first time Leo and I looked at each other. It was the only time we've ever been in a guy's house. And we were like, oh my God, this is like some E&M swing or shit. Oh yeah. We were in it looked kind of flop housey. You thought it was hot. You know you thought it was hot. I did. I felt, I told you, I feel like I'm having a one night stand with you. Like you're helping me live out these fantasies. Yeah, that pretty much sounded like. And so yeah, we ended up in his bedroom and it went on till seven in the morning and we had quite a time. And we went out in the morning and the sun was staring us in the face. And I believe Afroman picked us up. Roll another blunt. In the Uber. Yeah. And we absolutely were vibing all the way home. We had such. We had a talk about it. We just had a threesome. It was a half hour drive. That is one of the cons of the rooster. Oh, it's a big con. It is so far from the strip. We are like on cloud nine of NRE. We've just been playing for probably the better part of six hours. Yeah. And it was, we nudged boundaries. It was the first guy I went down on. He went down on me. We also felt a little bit. Nurturing toward him. Protective over him. We felt like we were going to have to take care of him more. He had a girlfriend that she came in at one point and we were concerned that at some point. We felt like, I hope we can just save him. You know, you can't save every cat in a tree, but we have a tenderness for him. We wanted him to go back to Memphis and get away from Vegas. And so we recently went back to Red Rooster and we asked the owners and people that work there, whatever happened to him because they all know who he is. And we heard that he's still in Vegas and he's still struggling. We tell that to some of our unicorn friends too. The same kind of sentiment where you could be selfish, but instead you say something to him like, you know, I think you're looking for a long-term relationship. You should get out of the lifestyle and meet somebody. And so for him, we were telling him, you should get out of Vegas because this city is eating you a lot. At some point, you just got to be on a friend level and you actually care about somebody. And the very last time we met him, we came to his house behind the rooster. We didn't do any kind of play and we were giving him advice. He was asking us, can you help me get door dash? We were just being friendly. And I think he realized that you two actually care about me in life. You know, we do tend to err on the side of being too nice. Very kind and trying to be, you know, we got a lot of love in our hearts for people that are close to us. This one just felt a little bit, the drama got to be a little too much. And we felt like we're getting embroiled in something that we have really no business being embroiled in. This is not our lifestyle at all. And so at that point, we sever ties and moved on. We have this philosophy where when it comes to lifestyle activities, we like the idea of keeping it fun. Because it's a hobby. Light, cash, fun. But with that said, sometimes we can go pretty deep and the friendships can be a mile deep and a mile wide. And so we like to tell people that while we like to keep it light and airy and fun, it doesn't mean that if you have something going on in your life, that you can't share it with us and we'll console you, we'll make you feel better. But with that said, there is a tipping point. If it becomes just too overwhelming and maybe the person just has so much difficulty going on, it can feel a little like you're swapping the boat. And yeah, it's hard to be spreading yourself so thin. We weren't friends with him between our meetups whatsoever. There was no texting going on. And so just in the moment, we were trying to be helpful when we saw him, but to try to make it a little bit lighter and airy or so, I just paused to go to the bathroom. I had to pee. And it made me think he did have a pee fetish. I remember the first night we met him, he asked, will you pee on me when we're at the rooster? And I said, hell no, I'm not going to pee on you. I think we were pretty horrified. We were clutching our pearls at that point. By the time we went to his house and we stayed till seven in the morning, I knew he had that and I had to pee. And I thought, well, if we do it like in the bathtub, if that was in you, and you just thought, all right, go for it. And so it was actually kind of hot. The girl pee is just cute and sweet and diluted. Yeah. I mean, it's not going to be for everybody, but it was for him. So that was pretty hot. Only time I ever did that. I don't know. It was just, it was quite a saga we went on. And I'm glad that it was an evolution of our lifestyle journey because it's not something that we repeat today. We would not. And if you're listening right now and you're clutching your pearls, how about this one? Are you talking about our origin story at rooster? Oh yeah. Go ahead and front run. Throw it in there. Oh my God. Okay. Yeah. We haven't even told him anything about rooster, but yeah. So basically, you know, is also in an old, right? Like a small rancher house. And it feels like Kawhana's club yet again. Absolutely. They've got a D. J. People do dance there though, which is a little different. It's funny that the people at whispers would hate to be compared to rooster. I know they would, but there's so similar. It's ridiculous. They have a lot of overlap with just the eye test, the sniff test, the pros of rooster. It's only 40 bucks. They don't do any kind of like sign an NDA. You just pay your 40 bucks. Maybe you show your ID and run your way. Runs that plays is a friendliest guy. Super chill. Couldn't be nicer. I'll often call. and it's late, how many people are there? And he'll actually tell me, okay, well it's kind of a slower night, super friendly guy. It has the same kind of setup with lots and lots of rooms that are just like guest rooms in the house, but these are not decorated kitschy at all. They don't put a lot of thought into it. And so in the rooster, they have the same issue where all these different guest rooms, you can close the door. And I mean, we took advantage of it with our guy, right? I feel like rooster has more rooms, but maybe they have about the same. Yeah, they might have maybe seven or eight. It might be similar. They're all just on one side and the other side of the club, and they're in rows. There's a row of four and four. But Red Rooster does allow single guys, and that is really the big caveat. And some of them are the wanking dead. And I get it. They're not good. If you're a newbie couple, you might want to steer clear of the Red Rooster if single guys scare you. Because they are not the good quality single guys that Kat might be choosing. If you've been to the power exchange, if you've been to Green Door, if you've been to the Mont Chellet. Red Rooster feels a little more like that. Now they're respectful, they're not gonna come, and they might just sit and watch you and kind of inch towards you. They're not gonna touch or grope or anything like that. I realize that this whole thing is a buildup to what the hell we did that everybody is going to sit and say, Say what? Wait a minute. Who are you? Yeah, this is our other Red Rooster. Kat and Leo, that is some degenerate behavior. This is another Red Rooster origin story. We went to Europe, we went to La Masque, Vaid and Morgana, first clubs ever. We took four months off, you listed the podcast, we researched what the hell are we doing. This all spawned because we did some play at the Red Rooster initially, where we met a newbie couple. We went into a bedroom with them. We're gonna call them head case couple. They were absolute head cases. She got too drunk. It was the first time she'd ever been. It actually scared us off of newbies at the time. Absolutely. For the longest time. And we were so newbie ourselves, but we're like, you guys are like newbie beyond newbie. Long story short, it was some of the first girl girl stuff that you did. I think she went down on you. And you thought it was the hottest thing in the world. But it did go sideways. Because she was a basket case. I'm not sure their marriage survived. Oh, they're probably still swinging today. But when we got back home. It left an unpleasant taste in my mouth. I was saying, don't let that ruin girl girl stuff for you. At least think about giving it a chance. And your reply was. I like guys. I like guys. So I had to lay my head down on the pillow that night and envision how we're gonna make this work. Because Leo, this is the super overprotective Leo. I was still very. He was unenlightened. Guard up at that point. He was not allowing what's happening today to be remotely. He didn't want probably guys even touching me at that point. But I am a director. And I run everything through my head scenarios. And he ran through. Possibilities. If he can run through something in his head, then it's okay for it to happen. That's why the full swap when we did it finally with Rusky, he was okay with it because he'd already had it all in his mind. He just wasn't ready for the flip. I didn't run the flip through my head in my directorial days. That was episode 69, the flip. But in this case, I went to bed that night envisioning what it could look like and what I came up with. And it was great. He shared it with me. We're in Vegas. It must have been like the next night we went to Rooster. That's another pro. They're open almost every night of the week. So if you're there mid week. And you want to do some degenerate shit. Only choice. Red Rooster is your game in town. So we're laying in our hotel bed. And he says, I have this idea of how this could work. And we actually got really freaky just talking about it and kind of playing. That sounded really hot. Basically. To your fantasy. If you're a newbie couple, I get why single guys sound very scary. I think it tends to be newbie couples that have not found their voice. But there are also people generally in their lives, they have a hard time with confrontation. And Leo has never had a hard time with confrontation. I don't mind. He's coming out of his double wide with his life beater on. Doing crowd control with single guys. That doesn't bother me at all. Get away from my wife. And so we'll walk through a place like the power exchange. And people will move out of the way. He gives them the evil resting bitch face. They will turn their eyes away. You got a damn good resting bitch face. You're gonna make me sound like I'm way worse. I'm actually a really chill guy. He's like, I'm really kind. Yeah. I'm really chill. Listen. I know. I felt like. What did you decide we could do? I could direct a bunch of guys to come in and assist me. There would be very little in the way of touching. But they would hold my legs, hold my arms. Ankle. And that was it. Not like restraining you. No, just hanging. Just, you know. Holding your legs up. Holding my legs up, right? Holding them wide as I direct them. And no touching on my erogenous zones. What we did is we went into the rooster 30 minutes before it was set to close. And then somebody asked, are you guys new to the lifestyle? Have you been around? No, we're brand new to the lifestyle. And we went into a room. And we opened the door. And here's what happens at the Red Rooster if you open the door. You are inviting people to come in. And we don't mean people. It means single guys are roving. You're talking about the lanking dead. They know that they can come in. Have you ever seen the walking dead? And they're in one of those insurmountable scenarios. It's when all the zombies surrounded the house and they have no idea how they're gonna get out of here alive. Yeah, that was us. It's a little like that. So we go into this room. But in this situation, you actually told me. I'm gonna be Rick. You told me. We played by ourselves. Although I didn't like Rick. I like Shane. Shane was more my speed. I think they killed Shane off way too early. He had the kind of hutzpah that you're gonna need in a zombie apocalypse. He's gonna make some tough decisions. You might not like it, but he's gonna keep you alive. So there we are in one of the rooms with the door closed, just the two of us talking about, do you wanna do this? We kind of did a little priming, a little foreplay, just the two of us. And then Leo leans over to me and he says, open the door. No, you said, open the door. No, it was me. Oh man. Yeah, that was your inner, I don't even know what I wanted. That was my inner. Dirty girl. That was my inner. I was five sheets to the wind. You were. Because that's the only way I was gonna be able to do something like that. But we'd already, we played. But you knew in a zombie apocalypse. Based on it. Who's gonna hold it down like chain? Yeah, I wasn't worried that the guys were gonna do anything that you didn't tell them to do. So they come in. They pick them out. One by one, they start filing in. You say you, hold her foot. And they all stand on the sides of the wall to watch. And you and I are in a 69 position. And they were not gonna touch. They were respectful. And there's a wall mirror that runs the length of the wall. So I'm staring at it and I can see your legs spread wide. And you can see all my dainty pleasures from all over the world to see. And I have great peripheral vision where I can see the entire room behind me, on the sides of me. Don't do this at home kids. Yeah, this is a swing or move. Don't do this if you're a newbie couple. We were so newbies. Unless you have your voice. We had our voice. Oh yeah, I was used to doing crowd control with guys well before we got into the lifestyle. You have to understand, Leo and I had played to this scenario. So we had got all hot and bothered. Oh, this could be really hot. We also were thinking all the guys would be really hot. And they were not. That was the one thing. It was off script. But other than that, I'm usually pretty good about, it's gonna go exactly how I played it in the screenplay. It was about to go down. Way down. And so I pointed to a guy over here. Here, you come over. I want you to hold her ankle, but don't touch her above the knee. And they knew I meant business. They did it, they did it. And then we invited another person to come over. And I said, here, you can go ahead and you can feel her breast here. And you can feel her breast here. But don't go anywhere else. And we must have had like six guys. And the scene that it made in that full length wall mirror. It must've looked like a gang bang. It did. We had that OG lady who originally had asked, so you guys knew to the scene? Are you, you know, long-time swimmers? We're like, no, we're brand new. She was one of the ladies that walked in to watch this scene unfold. That's right. And later she said, there is no way you guys are new. I'm like, no, this is our third visit ever. Well, if you stopped in the doorway, it just looked like there was a crowd around this one gal. And I was on top of you and we were doing a 69. And I would be looking up and I'd be looking in the mirror as I was doing it. It was hot. It was a mind-spark. The likes of which, imagine if you could hand pick a half dozen guys to hold the legs of your wife wide while I'm going down on you. Watching it in a mirror. You knew that they would do nothing but only what you instructed them to do. And they were all to your liking, would you do it? That's the question. Some people would say no. But there's probably a lot of people in the lifestyle who'd say, but these are not too old. This was one of ours where we chalk it up to, would not repeat. Well, I mean, we chose who we wanted to choose. There were probably about 15 guys in there. There were probably a half dozen girls in there as well. And everybody wanted to see what was going on. And then do you remember there was one young couple that night? People right now are horrified. They're listening and we're saying, I don't know you guys at all. I don't know yet at all. You are not who I thought you were. Sometimes you are like a chicken with your head cut off when you start out. But we then pulled it way back. We're like, oh, we're not gonna do that again. Well, maybe the unicorns in our lives will understand that when you're with me, it doesn't matter if a car rolls on top of you, it's a zombie apocalypse or if it's the Wanking Day. You are gonna hold it down. It's not gonna go sideways. So a young couple, young Spanish couple, they were from Spain. Oh, that's right. They came in to watch and I think they were horrified. But then they were curious. Maybe they liked us. And they were a hot couple. They were really hot. And they had indicated they wanted to play. And so we said, yeah, sure, come on the bed. And they looked a little bit like a scant at all these guys. Oh, they said, hell no. And so I said, oh, do you not like the guys? And they shook their head like, deers and head like, no. They didn't speak English. I said, it's no problema. Yo puedo decir los hombres salieron. I could tell the guys to leave, which Leo proceeded to do. Get out. I just said, everybody's gotta go now. And so then now we're in the same room alone with this really cute couple. This was some of our very first couple play outside of Basket Case Lady. But it was a huge upgrade. It was a huge upgrade. And they were newer than us. We laid down and we did kind of parallel play. I actually told him, here, take your hand. You can lay it on my wife. Oh, it was really hot. And he said, you can lay it on my wife. And then she and I held hands and canoodled. And we had a little sauce. He wanted to do a little more than I think she was ready for. Back to the perceived gang bang. Nobody sitting here listening right now wants to hear the sauce swap with the South American couple. I wanted to give them the soft stuff because now they're horrified about what we did. What we, what we done, look what we done. It was hot. What we done is for the last half hour that the Red Rooster was open. We went in there, we got down on the bed, I went and opened the door, in walked. All the zombies. A dozen wanking dead. And I directed a half dozen of them. They probably still remember it to the day. Oh, I'm sure that was a high watermark. They're still going to the Red Rooster. Looking for that experience that's never come again. That's what is there for you at the Red Rooster. It was degenerate. So if you are a couple that likes MFMs, if you are a couple that likes single guys, maybe you're a hot wave couple. Red Rooster has a lot of guys. I remember at one point, we had a little sneaky Pete who he looked and he peered down between your legs. And he said, oh, I'd like to go down and put my mouth on you. And I told him, get away from the bed. He actually came back again. And I said, back away from the bed. That was the only time anybody was trying to stray. We had it under control. So you have to understand it did look like a gang bang. It was so, they were touching calf. They couldn't even touch my thighs. Chaff down. The instructions were clear. So that's our origin story at the Red Rooster. That's a terrible origin story. I like better our Memphis guy. Okay. That was so degenerate. That was so degenerate. And then we backed up. We've never done anything remotely like that again. And we wouldn't unless it was hand, hand, hand, hand. We'd never do it again. We'd never do anything like that again. It just goes to when you're new, everything seems so hot. You're like, it's strange. It's just strangers hands. But it's also why we tell newbies to go slow. Because at the end of the day, that didn't sound like we went slow at all. That sounds like we went from zero to 100. But if you think about it, what did they touch? Nothing. I'm not even sure two of them got my breasts. I think it was my arms. It was really soft. Okay. Maybe they touched my breast. You bullshit. But I was not going to let them go any further. And every now and again, I'd lift up my head. I'd survey the room, make sure everybody was behaving. But yeah, that's an advanced swing and move. I would not recommend that to me because of it all. And so that is what could be waiting for you at the Red Rooster. Red Rooster is, it's definitely under whispers as for quality. And the reason why is because there is no kitschy themed rooms and there's a lot of single guys. It's why I say sometimes that the listeners who listen to us, they go to these clubs as newbies for the first time ever. And we'd be cool. Do we scare them? Or if we could take them? We could take them. I know. They would know that there is such good hands. We would never let anything happen. They could go anywhere they want. They could go to the power exchange. We're really cheap. And then we'd have to pay for all these club visits. They could go to the green door. It doesn't matter where you go. They should pay to take us. We'll take you as tour guides. We're just cheap. And we'll make you feel right at home. Yeah, just saying the next time you go to that club, like we do it with unicorns. We bring unicorns to clubs sometimes for the very first time. That's true. And now they're like, I'm gonna go unicorn for other couples because you made me feel comfortable. I think we lost half our listeners. I think we lost half our unicorns. I think we're gonna cut all that onto the cutting room floor. So that is Red Rooster really in a nutshell. Very similar to Whispers in the Kiwanis feel. It has a pool. It's dirt cheap. It's dirt cheap. I think you can use a credit card, but it might also be casual. Yeah, you can use a credit card. Okay. Dan, the guy who runs the place, is a nice guy. He's not creeping or anything like that. And they fought the good fight way back. Although Dan did say when we came out after a half an hour closing time, he said something like, did you guys have fun? Cause word got around very quickly. This is what we were doing. This is a couple that doesn't look like they should be doing something like this. And yet there they are. He might have even popped his head in at one point just to see what was going on. Not a separation between church and state. No, he wasn't too bad about it though. It does not vet. And for better or worse, they do not vet. And if you like single guys in any capacity, even as a voyeur situation. It does feel like you're dumpster diving. You have to find a diamond in the mouth. Oh, but I will give a little bit of a caveat. On Saturdays, they have a second floor and upstairs it's couples only. The single guys are not allowed up there. We don't like the guy who mans the door, the volunteer there. He always feels a little bit brusque with telling you, oh no, you can't go in there unless you strip down naked. At the couples area. So we always said, well, I'm not gonna strip down. So I'm not going in. We don't like to be told what to do. I feel like you should be a little more solicitous, especially if newbie couples. He should act that way with the single guys. Bitch, yo guys. No single males. Maybe that's why he's like, he has to tell them constantly. No single males, no single males. Yeah, the single guys aren't allowed upstairs. It's only couples only upstairs. But as soon as you come along with your wife in hand, because that upstairs area has a bunch of couches as well. You could do blowjobs and everything else. You could say, hey guys, just to let you know, to go in there, you do have to strip down fully. But we went more recently. Say it diplomatically. Maybe a month ago or so. And it's janky. You're saying that the sun has probably set on our red rooster days permanently. It is 100% set. In fact, you mentioned it last night. Well, honey, we're trying to look for a good solid M for you for an MFM. And you said there's red rooster. And I said, no, there's not. I eat set for me. We'd sooner probably go back to the green door just for the tourist attraction of it. Because the green door, you know, sex flow. You can go into the couples only area upstairs in the green door. And you can put your feet on the window. And you can put your feet up on the two-way mirrored glass. And you can have your husband make you squirt. And she can squirt all over. And it's so hot. And see, just the faint outline of noses pressed up against the glass, it's kind of a trip. It's something that's not quite as advanced a swing or move as maybe the Red Brewster. That was some of our early origin stories. You guys have never heard them because we hadn't started the pod until after all this had transpired. I think we just took them on a Quentin Tarantino movie. And you know what? On our way out, one of our last hara's with Memphis. With Memphis, boy. Well, he was a Memphis boy. As we were sitting around an apartment pool that looked like it had leaves floating in it. It looked like it was very rundown. He was like, what, was he sitting there? He was sitting there for like a few times ever. He was 38, but he looked 28. And he acted like he was 22. I don't know. He had that golden retriever. Yeah, so we're sitting at this like janky pool. It definitely looked and it seemed better. And you could just tell that Vegas was getting its hooks into him and not in a good way. And the Vegas strippers were getting their hooks into him. Yes. He was kind of a trust fund guy. Didn't have to work for a living. They were taking advantage of him. And we said as we left, we were like, we're not playing. And he was struggling to get door dash. So we decided we'll buy the door dash for him. Thinking maybe this would be an opportunity to play. And then we realized this is no bueno. It's time for us to get back on a plane and never look back. We thought to ourselves, this looks like a Quentin Tarantino movie or it looks a little bit like that Hunter S. Thompson movie. What was that? Leaving Las Vegas. Yeah. It just had this barren like, I don't know. I kind of feel. I don't know. Yeah, that narrows it down, Kat. Shut up, Leo. It looked like it's time to get the hell out of here. I think we should just cut all that on the cutting floor because I don't think our listeners get to hear it. You know, when you're new, you do a lot of dumb shit. And that's why we tell you to go slow. Because as long as it's soft, you'll never look back and think, oh, I wish we hadn't done a 15 person gang bang with the Wanking Dead in there. Right. So we did that 15 person Wanking Dead thing. Softest. Did it look gang bang? It wasn't a gang bang. That's ever been done. And then we started getting on the MFM. It wasn't any Bonnie blue thousand guys in a 24 hour period. And then between that time and the time we met Memphis in Las Vegas, that was where we met Brad. We're going to call him Brad up in the San Francisco area. That was our first hell yeah. MFM baseball, Brad. We were both lefties and that was an amazing experience. That is how the pod was born. It was a much softer experience. We met Memphis after that 36 squirting orgasms in a night. And I really liked him. I was hoping we were going to see him again and he would be my first repeat. And like newbies going along in our journey, we realized that we liked that softer energy, the intimacy of taking it back to a hotel room and not having 20 or 20 Wanking Dead holding your ankles. Yes. And he we chose him. He was the best looking guy at that club. We were actually doing some exhibition stuff at the time. And we saw him from afar. We're like, oh, we'll take him. I pick him. I wish we had a picture of that scene. It was probably the most comically soft, hardcore looking scene. It was only funny that you were at least everybody in the club, like at least five or six other people, couples. They all commented on our way out. I think everybody in the club. They gave us a knowing look. Came to the room. I think they did. Whoever was still there a half hour to close, they were it was standing room only. And it probably wasn't even a weekend, was it? We were there midweek. It probably was like a Wednesday. It just gets better and better. They were probably sold out for every Wednesday for the foreseeable future. And so, yeah. Hoping that couple would come back just one more time. Our Red Rooster days are done. And even though I like single guys. We have a complicated relationship with the Red Rooster. And we've said this before that in our lifestyle journey, some of the best times that we've ever had have been born out of the worst clubs ever. Because baseball Brad came from Power Exchange. I can't even believe it. That's to say that. And we will never step foot in there again. It's a sex club. It's the Power Exchange. In San Francisco. You say that all the time. It's a terrible club. Don't go. Don't give them your business. But he was wonderful. Edward was met at Bad Romance, the worst club in Rome. If you want a great foil to the Power Exchange, go to the Green Door. It's a place where the people who work there are the most chill motherfuckers you've ever met. And we won't do another review of them because we did do a review of the Green Door. And we said it's surprisingly decent because it is a win in Vegas kind of thing to do. I still stand by. It's probably a three out of five. Maybe it's two and a half stars. I don't know. It's closer to three. It's not the worst. I liked it. You can go there. It's not a swear word. Straight to the couples area if you want. And you can do some exhibitionist thing behind glass. People are not really swapping because it's really exhibitionist fantasy land. There are so many people there to watch you. It's all very dark and gritty. It feels like you're in a sex club, like in the basement. But we do have a complicated relationship with the Red Ruser. We ended up having one of our first full-bodied MFM, very soft. We never really did anything beyond soft play. We didn't even gerrymander DP people. OK, it was that soft. It was just fingers, some mouths, and that was about it and a little pee. A little pee. I don't even know where we go from here. I think that's the end. I'm sort of tapped out. People listening are probably tapped out. That is Whispers and Red Ruser. They are number three and number four, maybe number three and number five in Vegas. I think the Green Door should be number four. Jumps over the Red Ruser because I don't know where the locale is. It's closer to the strip. Well, then not alone. So, Whispers. You're going to go there. It's number three. And oftentimes, maybe seven out of 10, it's going to be a total dud, maybe eight out of 10. And it's a half hour. So an hour round trip from the strip, whereas Green Door, you can go, you could go there with your friends who aren't even in the lifestyle and say, you want to see some weird swinger shit? Yeah. You want to see some weird E&M shit? But if you like single guys, that's your thing. Red Ruser is going to be the place where you can maybe find a diamond in the rough. Green Door, you could go on a bachelor or bachelorette party. Yeah, with people who are fully non, like maybe you're in Vegas and you're that creepy lifestyle couple with all your vanilla friends and they don't know what you're doing. You could bring them to the Green Door and say, let's do something wild and just go and watch. Yeah, just have your voice. The guys there are very respectful. They keep a distance. I think that the people that work there, they keep them in line. No, we ain't going back there. We're going to go to Fleur's house. Leo, I want to have some fun. Let's put on an exhibition show. Yeah. All our viewers are invited. You know, that's part of one of the reasons that we don't do the exhibition play as much as we used to. A lot of people often know who we are. It is true. And they're like, I want to see you guys naked. There are more than a couple of listeners and it does feel like sometimes you're being watched in. Like a fishbowl. Like a zoo. Yeah. You're behind glass. And as soon as you get on the bed, let's say we've got a unicorn. Oh, let's see what the unicorn does. They want to see what goes on. So that's our Vegas tails, really degenerate tails, origin story. Yeah, that's some degenerate stuff. And the next pod, we're going to do Fleur's and Playhouse. But you know, you've got to own it. You've got to own it. I don't look. I actually think back really fondly on. Well, the reason we own it is because. We did so little. We were a soft swap couple for so long that all of our degenerate days were almost ridiculous. Like, because then we went to Europe and we did a lot of just play with strangers. We talk about it. Do you remember what that husband looked like? I don't even remember what he looked like. But we didn't do much. Right. We did so little. Oh, he made me squirt. OK. But it was also very titillated. So we're giving you that advice, guys. I still stand to it. Please go slow. Not just for that, not just for jealousy issues, not just for desensitization, but because you're probably degenerate and you don't know it. No, but there's another reason. And I say it all the time because you get to have every first instead of all at one time. I've never kissed, touched, sucked, fucked, and you do it all at one time. Yeah, you can see it as a shame that people go from zero to 100 and they just do all of it at once. I'll never forget that that was the first dick I sucked. I'll never forget the first guy I kissed. I'll never forget the first girl you did 69 with. They were all different and it was on our journey. But that's not why I say it goes slow. I say it as the bouncer in the relationship. It is so that you don't look back and you have a journey littered with regrettables. That was the reason why Leo listened to podcasts before we really did that crazy degenerate thing at Red Rooster. I wanted to know where all the landmines were buried. All the pitfalls were because I'd heard a lot of couples recounting their early days of their journey and they would say, I just had a full swap last night. Didn't recently somebody say on Reddit, oh, just take your growing pains or what is it? About eight out of 10 experiences in the lifestyle are gonna be just meh. So put your big girl panties on and just get through those eight out of 10. Yeah, pay your dues. I hate that. Because we don't feel that way at all. Fuck that. You should have- I'm talking about the most precious thing to me in my existence. I am going to protect that with my life. I was gonna say something funny, but then I realized you were gonna be so sweet and I decided I should just let that- Oh, you can say something funny. Go ahead. I was like, you know, you're cock. The most precious thing in your life. I'm like, I don't know. My cock doesn't even rank in the top 10 of most precious things to me. I know that. And with that said, I approach our journey through the lifestyle and the advice that we dispense is you guys are our friends that are listening. We just haven't met yet in real life and I wanna protect you too. Did you know? I wanna protect your wife the same way you care about your wife. I feel about my wife. I have a nurturing kink. I think you do too. And I think that's largely why we do the pod. Oh, for sure. I wanna help people. That's why I answer people on Reddit all the time. I just like to help people. I like to give you advice. I like to tell you what we've learned. So you don't have regrettables. People are gonna think we're on Bolivia marching powder as much as we're talking here. It is true- Time to go. That the nurturing instinct runs strong. When we have, especially the girls in our lives, when they talk about something going sideways, it could be something in the present. It could be something in their past. It makes me feel very overprotective because one thing that they probably don't realize is as overprotective as I am of you, it extends to them when they're with us. When they're with us, I treat them much in the same way as I would treat you. So you got anything else to say about Rooster and- Cock-a-doodle-doo! Let's go get into some trouble in Vegas. What stays in Vegas goes on a podcast. Always. So if you liked what you heard, go ahead and either subscribe or, I didn't even know how that works. Oh yeah, just a comment, listen. We might post once a week. We might post a couple times a month, I don't know. We might get bored and stop doing it. So you better come and listen while it's still going. Otherwise we'll lose interest. Tell us how much you like it. Yeah. Leave a comment. That'd be cool. We love it. Where can they leave a comment? I don't know. Maybe we'll have some comments. We don't have a website yet. Okay.