Yungblud & Lou Diamond Phillips
57 min
•May 7, 202624 days agoSummary
Episode features two guests: Lou Diamond Phillips discussing his extensive film and TV career spanning from La Bamba to Casa Grande, and Youngblood, the British rock artist, discussing his rise in music, performance philosophy, and recent high-profile collaborations with Ozzy Osbourne and Eddie Vedder.
Insights
- Authentic casting and character work remain critical to film success; Phillips' iconic portrayal of Richie Valens in La Bamba became definitive because the subject was less recognizable than other music legends
- Rock music's theatrical frontman archetype has diminished since the 1990s, creating an opportunity for artists like Youngblood to revitalize the genre through performance-driven showmanship
- Cross-generational appeal in music requires breaking genre silos; Youngblood's success stems partly from blending rock, punk, and alternative influences rather than adhering to single genre expectations
- Method acting effectiveness depends on context and respect for ensemble; extreme isolation tactics can alienate crew and undermine collaborative filmmaking
- Television has become a viable platform for established film actors to deliver nuanced, character-driven work that rivals cinema quality
Trends
Western and contemporary morality tales dominate prestige TV (Longmire, Yellowstone, Justified) as audiences seek narratives examining honor, loyalty, and human conditionRock music experiencing resurgence in youth culture through theatrical, gender-nonconforming frontmen challenging 1990s grunge aesthetic of introspectionStreaming platforms fragmenting theatrical releases; independent and mid-budget films finding audiences through multiple distribution channels rather than traditional cinemaCross-genre collaboration in music (rock + rap + alternative) breaking down listener gatekeeping that previously segregated genre audiencesAuthentic storytelling and character depth in TV drama attracting A-list film actors seeking creative fulfillment over blockbuster compensationFestival-driven artist community building (Bloodfest) creating multi-generational fan bases and breaking age-based audience segmentationBiographical film casting success depends on subject recognition level; lesser-known historical figures offer more creative freedom than iconic personalities
Topics
Method acting ethics and crew respectFilm-to-television career transitions for established actorsWestern genre resurgence in contemporary televisionRock music theatrical performance revivalBiographical film casting and character authenticityCross-genre music collaboration and audience expansionIndependent film distribution in streaming eraCharacter-driven television drama quality standardsFrontman performance archetype in modern rockMulti-generational audience building in live musicGenre gatekeeping in music fandomStunt work and physical performance in aging actorsSerial killer portrayal research and ethicsMusic festival curation and artist community
Companies
Netflix
Youngblood mentioned his voice work in Stranger Things: Tales from 85, available on Netflix platform
SiriusXM
Youngblood's new radio show 'Youngblood Radio' premieres on SiriusXM All Nation Channel 36 Mondays at 10 PM Eastern
Academy Museum
Lou Diamond Phillips donated the green guitar from La Bamba to the Academy Museum in Los Angeles for permanent display
Fox
Lou Diamond Phillips mentioned Fox throwing a party during Young Guns filming to introduce the film
People
Lou Diamond Phillips
Guest discussing 40+ year film and television career including La Bamba, Young Guns, Longmire, and Casa Grande
Youngblood
Guest discussing rock music career, recent Ozzy Osbourne and Eddie Vedder collaborations, and new SiriusXM radio show
Big Jay Oakerson
Co-host of The Bonfire podcast conducting interviews with both guests
Robert Kelly
Co-host of The Bonfire podcast conducting interviews with both guests
Ozzy Osbourne
Youngblood performed 'Changes' at Ozzy's final Black Sabbath show at Villa Park stadium with 55,000 attendees
Eddie Vedder
Youngblood collaborated with Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder on a musical performance
Machine Gun Kelly
Early collaborator who introduced Youngblood to wider audience through music video featuring the artist
Steven Soderbergh
Lou Diamond Phillips worked with Soderbergh on film 'Che' and received compliment about listening ability as actor
Keith Coogan
Co-starred with Lou Diamond Phillips in Young Guns; shared small plane turbulence experience during filming
Dermot Mulroney
Co-starred with Lou Diamond Phillips in Young Guns; shared small plane experience during Fox promotional event
Daniel Day-Lewis
Referenced by Lou Phillips as example of method actor who requires full commitment to character authenticity
Christian Bale
Discussed in context of on-set intensity and emotional commitment during filming; referenced famous outburst incident
Benicio Del Toro
Co-starred with Lou Diamond Phillips in Soderbergh's 'Che'
Shanley Woodley
Co-starring with Lou Diamond Phillips in upcoming announced miniseries project
Lindsay Lohan
Co-starring with Lou Diamond Phillips in upcoming announced miniseries project
Kit Harington
Co-starring with Lou Diamond Phillips in upcoming announced miniseries project
Catherine Lannasa
Co-starring with Lou Diamond Phillips in upcoming miniseries; recent Emmy winner for 'The Pit'
Tim Robinson
Co-starring with Lou Diamond Phillips in upcoming project 'The Chair Company' where Phillips plays the boss
Quotes
"If someone said Richie Valens, I picture you. I picture your face singing the song. It's iconic."
Big Jay Oakerson•Early segment
"You really don't have to act thinking. You don't have to put on a thinking face. Just think, think something. It'll look like you're thinking."
Lou Diamond Phillips•Acting discussion
"Westerns, even if they're contemporary, are our fables. They are stories that allow us to examine the human condition and questions of honor and dignity and loyalty."
Lou Diamond Phillips•Genre discussion
"I'm still a nine year old in the guitar shop who just loves this genre. That's all I've got."
Youngblood•Career motivation discussion
"Rock lost the role. And I think that's what I'm trying to bring back—the frontman energy, the theater, the performance."
Youngblood•Rock music philosophy
Full Transcript
And now the bonfire with big J. O'Crossen and Robert Kelly. We have our guest joining us in the studio right now. He's coming in. Very, very big deal. Hey, what's up, man? Right over here, buddy. How are you, sir? It's a pleasure to meet you. You as well. Yeah. Thanks for having me. The great, the legend. I mean, legend. You're a legend. Come on, you're a legend. In the house. Welcome to the show, sir. How'd you think? Are these mine? Those are yours. Excellent. It is. You said, oh, when I say legend, but I, if I had to give one main reason why I'd say you're a legend in movies is because I said very few people have done this when you play somebody in a bio pick and make it so much like you become the character so much that when people picture, if someone said Richie Valens, I picture you. I picture your face singing the song. It's iconic. Well, I had the benefit of the fact that Richie and no disrespect meant whatsoever because he was 17 years old was not as easily identifiable as say Elvis, you know, or little Richard or somebody who, even Buddy Holly, Buddy Holly was iconic with the glasses and everything. And so people have a certain expectation of what that person's going to look like. When I portrayed Richie, you know, his face wasn't as well known. Yeah. You know, and what I love about it is that, you know, I think it prompted a lot of people to go back and discover him, you know, and I think, you know, the family was always really, really grateful that we brought Richie's legacy back, you know, and that he was no longer just an asterisk in, you know, Buddy Holly's story. Yeah, yeah. And whenever I've been on a small plane, we always pick which one we are. Unfortunately, unfortunately, one time we got on it and we were all big boppers. That was the scariest one. Oh man, we're all big boppers. Did you ever get like a Jim Croce in there, you know, or Steve Ray, you know, just mix it up? You remember my theory about famous people don't die in big planes. It's only small planes. Yeah, look it up. Well, there's not a lot of big plane disasters. If you're on a plane and it's going through a turbine, if you have somebody famous on it, you're fine. Yeah. If you're on a small plane and somebody's famous on it, you might be fucked. It's so funny. When we were doing Young Guns, there was a big party that Fox was throwing and they wanted to sort of introduce it and we were filming and it was on a day where myself, Keith, and Dermot were not a part of the filming that day. So they put us on a leader jet and, you know, we're flying from Santa Fe to L.A. and it was the first time I was ever on a small plane. So all of a sudden, ooh, you know, I'm something. And Scotch was involved. And we hit some turbulence. It must have dropped a thousand feet or something. Yeah. It was, and Keith kind of rolled his eyes and, you know, went in his best, you know, lost-boys face, looked at me and went,哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 But you've also made some of my favorite television. Yeah, that's 170 all in, you know, the TV and the films and everything else. I was gonna add the TV after. But you didn't let me finish. But Longmire... Yeah, the guy's show is work, it's just how he operates. Longmire, for me, it was one of the first television shows that really tackled the West, like that cowboy, you know, the American Indian and how they live together now, contemporary type thing. I mean, before Yellowstone, before all this stuff, now it's the hottest thing ever. And that show, for me, was like, I couldn't believe how edgy it was, you know, just the way they took care of justice and your role in that. It was good, it was like when you came back, you came to TV, it was like, you're a movie star. All of a sudden I saw you on TV, I was like, oh my God, you're so good in that. Well, thank you, man. Yeah, it was such a great show. It is a beautiful day at the Red Ponies and it's like, you know, I'm gonna go to the Red Ponies and continue with the score. Yep. Here's the bar, he owned the bar, the Red Pony. Yeah. But it was the first, I mean, that was probably one of the first shows. Now every show kind of has this Montana, Wyoming. It's so, I feel like I'm ahead of the curve so many times, you know? I mean, the Wolf Lake was, you know, preceded all the Twilight stuff. And then, you know, it got pulled after nine episodes. Nobody was, well, it was 2001, but he was ready for a werewolf drama. You know, the big hit was like, you know, Chinese Hong Kong action before Crouching Tiger. Plus it was like, you know, Hong Kong action plus hip hop plus, you know, just this weird hybrid and nobody was quite ready for that. And I do think that, you know, we teed up the success of Yellowstone. Justified. Justified. Justified, Yellowstone, all these shows. Yeah, we were kind of out of the gate first. Right, with like kind of authentic, it was very authentic is what it was. A lot of that stuff is kind of procedural. And it gets a little bit, that show to me was very authentic and very, you know, it wasn't the acting it, it was the best. That's what I love when they get great actors on TV to do shows is when it hits for me, you know? Sometimes like, I was just watching like Madison, it's just like, oh my God. And then he has the other show, Marshall's, and it's like, it's a little procedural. This is what I've heard. Yeah, I have not looked at the whole milieu. A lot of face acting. You know, a lot of, I'm sad now. I'm mad now. Yeah, I always, it's like, whenever I've taught acting, whatever, you know, you really don't have to act thinking. You don't have to put on on thinking face, you know? It's like, just think, think something. It'll look, you know, it'll look like you're thinking. Thank you, I needed that. Oh yeah, that really is the, what do you do when you're not, when someone's talking, you're just nod the whole time. Oh, it's the worst when the camera's on them and they have one on you and you just have to listen. Am I listening right? That's the hardest. It was one of, that's one of the best compliments I ever got was from Soderbergh. Oh really? Yeah, I was in Che with Benicio and, you know, and he legendarily only does a couple of takes. You know, and that's, and all, you know, if you're an insecure actor like me, you're like, well, I think I could be better. Oh, you prefer more takes. Well, no, I just, you know, two is, you know, a little, you know, on the shy side. I actually filmed a movie with him where he shot it on an iPhone. And I, and he had the iPhone, he goes, okay, go, action. And then he did, and he goes, got it. And I was like, I didn't know he was doing it on an iPhone. I thought he was just, nobody told me it was an iPhone movie. I was like, what are we doing? I don't understand, I'm just standing here. That's crazy. But no, he told me after, he goes, no, no, it's great. You listen really well, I went, oh, that's great. Thank you. Yeah, it's a good, kind of high compliment. Oh, it's so hard to listen to somebody and actually listen, because there's so much stuff around it. I think I have a permanent raised eyebrow. They tell me when I get my eyebrows done, because whenever I've had to listen on camera, I go, mm, yeah, I raised the eyebrow. And my one eyebrow is permanently higher than my other, I think, from raising eyebrow to listen. That's how few lines I've had. Straight out your head. It's how few lines I've had in acting roles is that most of it's just going, mm, mm, mm, mm. I'll do that. I said, mm. Yeah. You also were in Prodigal Son, which was such an interesting show. Yeah, I love that show. I love that cast. It's why I live in New York now. Right. You know, I came out here in 19 to do that. And, uh, great timing. Right? I feel like, I feel like, you know, I ran the gauntlet and now I am a New Yorker because I made it through the pandemic, man. I was there at seven o'clock, beating my pots out the window. I was doing all that stuff. But what a strange change. I said, I lived in the East Village at the time. And I said, that was the great, going out on a Saturday night and just seeing like a piece of newspaper flying in the street. It was like, what was the, I am legend. It was so creepy. We're both stand-ups and we were, there was still doing shows, but behind Plexiglass. Wow. So you can actually see you doing the set, which was the most, I'm like, I suck. Scratches. I suck. Someone came up and fogged it up and wrote, stop. But in most of your films, you've been the good guy. You're always, you're such a, I would say, good with bad in you if you need it, right? Yeah, are you talking about me personally? I'm talking about you personally, Lil. I've heard things about you. We're in deliver, you were bad with good. Since you moved to New York. I was good with good, yeah. But there was good to be pulled out. Yeah, well, you know, I got edgier. You know, all of a sudden I got greedy. I'm not all Hollywood precious anymore. No, in Casa Grande, I'm the big bad. Yeah, you're a bad guy in this. Yeah, I'm a bad guy. Yeah, but you're a bad guy that, the worst type of bad guy, because you come off as nice. Exactly. You're very charming and very nice, and you, you know, almost like you could be friends with anybody. Right, and I dress like I should be on a yacht. You know, or a ski lodge. Yeah, you're very fancy, you got money, and then, but you're a real, you're a bad guy. There's that. You'll be happy to know though, I mean, there were a couple of physical scenes, right? And at my age now, I really, I should have stretched, I should have warmed up, you know. But yeah, I beat the crap out of somebody, and like the next day I'm going, why am I so goddamn sore? My knees out of whack, my hips, my lower back, it's, you know, the karma was instant. Did you do your own stunts? Did you do your own stunts in like young bugs? Did you ride the horse? And you learned all that stuff? Yeah, no, I got the, I got the crap kicked out of me a lot back in the day, you know, I've broken bones on, you know, shows and got scars and whatnot. You know, even today, I still do some stuff, and I really should just go, you know what, let's just let the stunt guys do it, you know. Tom Cruise, I'm not, I promise you. It's gotta be interesting, we were saying outside, like you're, I mean, since LaBomba, I mean, like your work is so consistent, and you keep going, that like aging through that, and like everything's on film and seeing it, do you feel like the years where it was like, things went from like these kind of roles to these kind of roles, like was it, or is it slow rolled out? It was kind of a slow roll, you know what I mean? It's, you know, I'm the young leading man, and you know, I sometimes get the girl, although I noticed, you know, like early on, it's like, I almost never got the girl, I would've never been in a rom-com, they'd rather put me in the desert with a horse. Than a leading lady, you know. I feel better if they'd rather just put us in the desert in the films. You know, and if I do have a girl, I'm gonna die, you know, they're gonna kill me, you know? So, but it's interesting because then, you know, I go from being the young rebel to suddenly, now I'm an authority figure, I've played a lot of comps and whatnot, and then, you know, dads, and dad figures, and stuff like that, so it was this, you know, sort of slow evolution, but I'm thrilled, I mean, it's like, you know, to still be kind of a virile bad guy in this, and I'm a good guy in a movie called, it's called Keep Quiet, but it's gonna be changed to Gangland, that's basically a training day on the res. I play a res cop, and that's coming out in July in theaters as well. The chair company, I'm the boss with Tim Robinson, and I'm currently, this is announced, so I can talk about it, I'm currently shooting a miniseries with Shanley Woodley and Lindsay Lohan, Kit Harrington, Catherine Lannasa, and I get to be the boyfriend, you know? Nice, yeah, I get to, I'm a love interest, I'm still a retired cop, but you know, I get to smooch a little bit. How old is she? With Shanley Woodley, to be honest with you, she says she uses natural deodorant. It's not with Shanley, it's with the woman playing her mother, sorry. So you get to make out with? With Catherine Lannasa, she's lovely, she's pretty, yeah. She just won the Emmy last year for the pit. Is there something that brings you, like draws you to these, like, you know, this type of Western type of movie? Are you, because I always pictured you, that you had like some ranch somewhere, and you had like a, you know, like a Henry repeater, and you went out and you, you go, It's not funny, no, my wife shot back. This is just one of my wife's. Anything you've seen in a movie? This is one of my wife's biggest pet peeves. She goes, hey, everybody thinks you wear boots and wear flannel, you know, and ride a horse or have a motorcycle, you know, no, you read Shakespeare, you own the restaurant, you cook, you know? Did you marry Joan Rivers? I had flights? Oh, oh, oh, oh, for a minute. So, you don't do any of it? No, man, it's all image, you know. When you say you live in New York, now you're in New York. I'm a New Yorker, you know. You could have two houses, he's made 170 movies. Right, nobody moves to New York for COVID if they have a ranch also. That's not true. But I did grow up in Texas. That is true. So I did grow up in Texas, so I mean, there is that, and that's obviously a part of my, I don't know, DNA, whatever. But I think, you know, things like, you know, Casa Grande, or you know, even some of the other stuff I've got coming out where I'm one of the leads, or even, you know, Longmire. It's this sort of, you know, morality tale. I mean, you know, Westerns, even if they're contemporary, you know, are our fables. They are, you know, and science fiction is, you know, a Western with hardware for the most part. And it's, you know, these are stories that allow us to examine the human condition and, you know, questions of honor and dignity and, you know, loyalty and all of this other stuff. And, you know, that's very much what, you know, Casa Grande is like, it's got the Yellowstone DNA as well in the respect that it's about family, it's about the land, it's about, you know, the haves and the have-nots. And my character is probably such a bastard because he had to, you know, scrape and claw his way to the top and now nobody's gonna take anything from him, you know? And so there's something there to reflect upon. And I don't think I've ever played a guy who is just 100% evil, you know, something other than like Richard Ramirez. But, you know, that mean there's that. I mean, that guy was troubled. That guy, he was. Oh, you're talking about the nice guy. He's really troubled. Yeah, the nice guy. I don't think I even understand that guy. Yeah, I did that movie. Even one of them, you know, like reading the book and playing the role, you know, he's like the Beavison butt head of serial killers. He really is, you know. But he did, he had the look though of serial killer. Yeah. Like Jeffrey Dommas just looked like a regular guy. It was the hand, the hand, the pentagram, right? Yeah, he had the look of, oh man, that's what a serial killer should look like. Yeah. How was it playing that? Did you have to, you had to do all the research? You had to know stuff that maybe we don't know? I went deep on that one. First of all, the book, The Night Stalker by, is it Philip Carlow or Philip Caputo? It's very good. You see this guy was destined from, you know, age five to end up where he did. Maybe even, you know, in utero, because his mom worked in the Nacona boot factory in El Paso, so, you know, there might have been some, you know, toxic stuff going on there. And so the book was amazing. I got to, you know, watch obviously the videos and things like that. What's also wonderful though, that character, by the way, was sort of the inspiration for Patrick Channing in the first power. So for that movie, I wrote around Detective Bob Grogan who helped catch the hillside strangler. And then for The Night Stalker, I got to hang out with Detective Gil Carrillo, who was one of the guys that, you know, caught Ramirez and then interviewed him five times, you know. And he was there on the first day of shooting and I was actually really proud because after I finished my first take, he went, oh my God, you nailed it. You know, and I dropped a lot of weight because at the end of his life, Ramirez, he died of lymphoma, you know, in prison. So this is a fictionalized version of, you know, what went on. But one night, I thought, okay, here's what I'm gonna do. Because he used to just like, you know, Rome neighborhoods that he didn't know about, right? And he would just randomly pick the houses and they were so trying to figure out, you know, his victimology, why did he pick who he picked? It was all just, you know, whatever the whim caught him, right? So I thought, okay, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna walk around our neighborhood that I don't belong in. As we know, we're live on air. Yeah, this is a music camera. Before you tell them that you killed a family. Look, there are music cameras right here. Oh, okay, all right, cool. I don't know. This has a happy ending. It does have a happy ending. So I put the, you know, a hoodie on and I think, okay, I'm just gonna, you know, kind of, you know, method it, you know, walk, you know. So I drive, I park, I walk about a block and a dude, you know, and I'm looking at the houses and a dude walking his dog walks past me and he goes, hey, Lou Diamond, love your work. This isn't gonna work. When you play a role like that, do you have to find, especially because it's a real person, again, do you have to find a sympathy for them? Sympathy is the wrong word. It's, and I've said that, you know, I've taught acting a time or two. You know, you can't judge, you can't judge your characters. If you're holding them at arm's length and, you know, trying to wink at the audience and go, hey, this isn't really me. Right. Then you failed. You know, you have to, at least while you're playing that role, embrace their worldview, commit to it, you know, commit to the bit. And, you know, as much as possible be that. Without, you know, the people that say, oh, was the wife scared when you came home? No, no, because I'm not a psychopath. You know, but I've often told, you know, young actors, it's like, listen, take the word no out of your vocabulary because you, as a human being, have the capability of doing anything. You can sit on a mountain for a year and meditating, you know, and try and, you know, be your best self or whatever, or under the right circumstances, you could kill somebody. You just have to, you know, you literally just have to put yourself in those shoes and figure out under what circumstances would I be similar to this character? Yeah. Yep. How do you? That's when my wife yells at me for buying stuff off Amazon. You don't need it. How do you? That's it, that'll do it. Let me ask you quite a bit. I'm sorry, can I do it? I'll use the term method before. How do you feel about that, like, when people go, I just watched a thing on American History X and they were like, if I was a bulk wouldn't talk to or associate with any non-white members of the crew, I think eventually they go, after like a week of that, they had to come over and be like, hey, you're really making everybody uncomfortable. I know you're trying to do your thing here, but like it's just making the actual ethnic people here a little uncomfortable. And they're trying to like do your hair and stuff. You know, it's, you know, certainly something you studied in college and things like that. And people have made a whole career out of it. It's, you know, if that's what it takes, I mean, Daniel Day-Lewis sort of famously said, I have to do it this way because I'm not that good. Which I thought was wow, wow, okay. But you know, then it's so funny because I can't remember the actor that he was, but when he was doing Lincoln. Daniel Day-Lewis. Yes, when Daniel Day-Lewis was doing Lincoln though, he was working with another actor who was off camera and went and took off the, you know, the period shoes because they were uncomfortable and put on his tennis shoes. And Daniel was like, no, you please, you know, you must go put those shoes back on because it's taking me right out of the scene. Yeah, that would mess me up too if I looked over and I saw her appear a new balance. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? We said that as time went on, I'm curious what was an accomplished actor yourself would say, the Christian Bale flip out. Do you remember that years ago? Yeah. It's funny, as I've gotten perspective on that, I've been like, sure, he's going a little hot, but I mean, I don't know, man, they're supposed to be doing their job here. No, no, 100%. And you know, it's funny because you take that tape out of context. I think he had every right to see what he had to say. It was in the middle of a freaking take and the deep, you know, coming around and, you know, just doing it. But it was also a very intense and emotional take. And as an actor, man, it's, you don't flip that stuff on and off like a light switch. You know, you spend a long time and you become very facile at going to that emotional place, you know, take after take and this and that. And it's not, your body doesn't know you're acting. When you're crying tears, you're crying real tears, you know? And so, you know, if he is that deep into it in the middle of these takes and doing the job that's going to get him the kind of attention that he's got in his entire career, some dude does not need to be tweaked in the lights in his eye line. Yeah, some guy with a Napoleon Dynamite shirt on. He's my numb. He's a post-apocalyptic. Have you ever, like you've done so many movies, done so many iconic movies and TV. Have you ever taken stuff? Do you have, have you ever had, like, do you have stuff that you, yeah? No, I don't have as much anymore. And most recently, I gave that green guitar from La Bamba. I had it for 37 years and I just donated it two years ago to the Academy Museum in Los Angeles. So it's theirs now. It's theirs, yeah. I gave it to them and they're gonna display it. And there's a wonderful, you know, coffee table book coming out about the donations and I just wrote a little blurb about the guitar itself and whatnot. And, you know, I'm proud that it's gonna be, you know, a part of cinema history as it should be. Do you have any stuff from Young Cones? I had, oh, you know what, I still have. What? I have the full costume when I got shot up at the end of the first movie. Blood stains and all. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, I got that in plastic somewhere. Isn't it funny though? You have it, you're like, I'm gonna keep this. And it's just in a closet and it keeps moving places over the years. Exactly. That movie, those movies, both of them, especially from my age, I'm 48 now, like that precedes even like tombstones, just like something that made like Western school. Cause Western to me were growing up like my grandfather, like John Wayne movies, but I would see those on the TV and be like, they didn't catch me. I still love them. Everything about, I love them. I know. I just watched one last week. But like those, something about like, you know, even though he says why it's hard to watch black and white when you're a kid, like the color world, it's like somebody's just throwing you off about it. And I just never caught, and those were the first where he was like, oh, it's a cool, you know, which was it precedes like tombstone, deadwoods, always like cool, like Western, with young people doing like this stuff. Well, it's true too, that movie had the music, you know, like most of the John Wayne thing, it was like, you know, the opening credits were long. You have to have patience to watch those old Westerns. And the acting. It just goes on forever. I mean, they make it. At the beginning. Yeah, it was a crazy big. They make from St. Louis all the way to the great new back. Real time. Yeah, but you know, I once again, you know, something that was ahead of his time, the Western was dead according to Hollywood. And then young guns comes along and, you know, and makes money. And you know, I really do think opens and door for some of those that came after, including Unforgiven, you know, which is brilliant. It's such a movie where it's like, sometimes they don't realize how much the cast is part of it, especially in hindsight, when they've remade, I was using examples, Point Break, Flatliners, are two movies where it's like, I don't know if it's the most amazing script. It's like you have these cast that brought it to life in like the right way. So you can't just put any actors in there and remake it. I think that was such a strange move when they did that. Like, oh, successful movie. We'll remake it with no one's anyone's ever heard of before. Were you part of that? You know, they had the Brat Pack. Were you part of that? Yeah, I was Brat Pack adjacent. You know, I'm the only brown Brat Packer. Right. You're the Sammy Davis. That's exactly right, babe. You know? I was a cool cat on the fringes. But yeah, man, it was, because I hung out with all those cats. Were you partying like them? Were you like crazy like that? No, no, I came to realize, especially after you hear, you know, stuff, you know, some of the stuff that Charlie did. And then, you know, like the Diddy parties. And they go, man, I was the most boring guy in Hollywood. I really was. Thank God. That's good, Doug. I'm still here. Yeah, thank God. I fancy myself the same way where he's got to walk through the ring. It's too naive to even get involved in it. Yeah. Like, I just wasn't around the things that were happening. Like everyone's doing coke. Like, where? Did I leave early, I guess? I guess I'll never try it then. You do leave early. You do leave early. You leave early. Is the Irish goodbye? He's just there for an hour. He takes a bite of a food and he's out. So this new movie, Lou Diamond Phillips' new movie, Casa Grande, is in theaters on May. How does it feel to be in theaters, dude? It's wonderful. Because it's hard. I mean, I love going to the movies. I love going to the theater. And it seems like good movies are hard to find. It's all weird stuff. Like, I saw the trailer for this. I can't wait to go see it. Yeah, so this one's fantastic. I do have to say, though, they keep saying it's Lou Diamond Phillips' new film. It's like, I'm the bad guy. I'm not the lead. This all came about because everybody else in the cast was in this series. And they gave him a fabulous send-off. They wrapped it all up in a nice little bow. And then I came in to help out. You're so humble. But it's true. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you go watch with the audience ever still? Yes. You should take care of that. I missed the premiere of this one. I was just at the Dallas International Film Festival and finally got to see another movie, like I said, Keep Quiet slash Gangland with an audience and people. They loved it. And those reviews have been unreal. But yeah, to have this one and then that one coming out in theaters in July, it's quite an accomplishment. If you don't have a $200 million budget and a cape, you're not getting into it. And 1,000 streaming services to scoop things up now, too. So there's that. I mean, at least it will find its audience eventually. And it'll end up being on multiple platforms. I think it's a perfect movie. It's what people are into on TV. And it's good to actually see a movie with this type of, tackling this type of topic. And you're a bad guy. And it's my favorite type of bad guy, just a smiling, evil dude with a purpose. Seems all charming in class at first. But the mess comes off eventually. Yeah, it's great, man. And you look fantastic. Why, thank you. I moisturize. Oh, yeah. I told my 82-year-old mom right before the show that we were having you on. And she said it disturbingly, a amount of time. He's very sexy. Ooh. Very sexy. So Lou, let your wife know you have options. I was like, yes. It brought her back to high school. You got to keep her in line. You get an 85-year-old Jewish woman in Florida if things don't work out. No, it's funny, though, man, because we were talking about the stages of your career. And it's like, oh, I had a crush. So now I get the middle-aged woman saying, oh, I have a crush on you. But I also get the younger people going, my mother loves you. Oh, it's the worst. The girls in high school refer to young guns as young buns. Well, yes indeed. So she's got as well as shit. So you got me. As well as shit. Costa Grande hits theaters May 1. Make sure you check it out. Lou Diamond Phillips, thank you so much for joining us. And check out the Prodigal Son. He's actually, he's rejoining. Definitely. That's coming back on very shortly. I can't really, she's moving. Prodigal daughter, oh, that's the thing. Check out the Prodigal Son. His TV show that's out is fantastic. Check that out too. It's, don't watch me fail. I thought that was up there too. It's on Netflix. It's on Netflix right now. It's one of my favorite shows. Love it. Stranger Things Tales from 85. I'm a voice in that as well. Oh, nice. That's great. It's now on Netflix too. Thank you so much. We'll be right back. It's the Bonfire. Thank you, buddy. At two-ey, we give you more. More outfit choices with 20 kilograms of luggage allowance as standard. More hotels built around what you love like that swim up suite. More, race you to the bottom, water parks on site. More, ooh, that looks good. Food options from poolside snacks to ala cart dining. Book on app, in-store or online. You book it, two-ey sort it. At all and after protected, Qs and Cs apply selected hotels on Lisey website for details. All right, there he is. What's up, buddy? How are you? Thank you for having us. I'm off you. It's good to be here. Nice to meet you, everybody. Thank you for having me, man. Thank you for coming in, man. I'm so excited. Riding the tiger, baby. Let's do it. Let's ride the tiger, man. Fucking great, man. I might be a little, I might ride an elephant. I'm a little old to ride a tiger, but. Nothing wrong with that. All right. First of all. It's happening. You guys are bonding. First of all. Anyway, I'll be on the tag. You be on the elephant. You gonna be on fucking monkey or something. How do I say no to this? That's how I'm done. Everybody, right now we have Youngblood in the studio. Honored to be here. He's got a new episode of Youngblood Radio premiering on All Nation, SiriusXM, Channel 36 Mondays at 10 PM Eastern, also available on SiriusXM app by searching Youngblood. I'll slide you $20 later. That was a good talk, man. Thank you. Just slag me, dude. I like it. Dude, I gotta tell you, first of all, I've been a fan for so long. I've wanted you on the show for so long. I know it's weird for a 50-year-old man with a gray beard to be talking to you like this. 55. 55. All right, dude. Don't tell us. He's fucking stabbed you in the right back, honey. Wow. Why did you lie to him? Because it's Youngblood. He's not casting you in a porn movie. Yeah, but dude, Young is in the name, bro. All right? If he looked out in the crowd and saw me there, he'd be like, what's this guy doing? Do you know what, actually? It's been a beautiful see at cross-generational people coming into gigs in a minute. You know what I mean? I think like Youngblood, I think initially at first, people are like, oh, I can't go to that because it's got Young in the name. But like now it's like we've got the old bloods, we've got the baby bloods, we've got the granny bloods, we've got everything, man. What do you think was... What do you think was the diabetes bloods? Yeah, I've got a little bit of diabetes blood loads of blood types, loads of it, man. Every blood type, welcome. Did you see a particular flip in that happening with something? Because again, being young and your name's Youngblood, old, especially like metalheads and rock guys are gonna disregard Young right away. So having cross-o, do you think there was a moment, like somebody, was somebody endorsing you? Yeah, it's funny in it because when you make a name, like my name's Dominic Addison, I couldn't fucking call myself that because it's too polite. I think it's great. Yeah, I mean, so I was like, when I was like 18 and I started this thing, I didn't expect for it to get big. So you just kind of like, yeah, that'll do. Like Youngblood, like whatever. And I love, I mean, I grew up in a guitar shop and I love playing rock music, but I wanted people to be like, is that a fucking rapper or whatever? Do you know what I mean? I kind of wanted to, I think like in my, you fucking mics crack the nail. Let me just, there we go, there we go. I got sorted it, dodgy cable. I was like, you know what I mean? I thought to myself, I wanna fuck with people a little bit and you know what I mean? Double the you, double the flavor. Right. But then I think people, as it started to get bigger, a lot of people were like, oh, I don't think I can like this because the name's Youngblood. And I was thinking to myself, when I hit like 24, how am I gonna do this thing forever? So I thought I might have to do like a David Bowie, Ziggy Stardust thing and end that chapter. Right. But then we started our own festival and I think I was like, I wanna see what, it was coming to the gigs. You know what I mean? I wanna see everyone in front of me. And we started Bloodfest, our own festival. And I saw, I saw mothers, brothers, families, cousins, granny, everyone, it kind of became. You crossed over too, because you started out with Machine Gun Kelly is where I first saw you. Oh really? Yeah, but I knew right when they popped onto you, I'm like, this kid's got it. Oh, fun man. That one line and that, it was just like, this kid's got it. And it almost reminded me of like, you know, like a lead front man. Like, I feel like we don't have, we were talking about this the other day, like Rock and Roll, the front man. I love that vibe, man. That's the stuff, I grew up on Jagger and I grew up on Iggy and I grew up on Freddie Mercury and I grew up on those guys, you know? And I think, I think really, I'm kind of trying to fight for that level of theatre and performance in rock music. You know, I think, I think kind of after, It's lost, it's lost a lot. After New Metal, everyone kind of put their head down and started looking at the fucking shoes. And I'm like, now man, I'm going to put my chaps on and shake my ass. But that takes, that takes something. Because it takes something, because the first time you do it, like it's interesting, it's me and Bob, you're both comedians. So it's almost like the idea is to be played down more a little bit and kind of like, like take a shit on theatrical kind of things. But if me and him both love concerts and you go to concerts, I want to see the front man posturing and doing all the things. But is it a thing, when you start doing it, is there a first like, is everyone going to buy this when I turn around and do us like a scantily clad dance? I think that me own gigs people like it. You know what I mean? The more asked, the better. Right. I mean, and more. I say that. The more fucking and all that shit. You know what I mean? The more fucking shit. That's actually my merch. The more asked, the better. Yeah. Good man, man. I fucking like that. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, you can. How does it feel to be able to wear leather pants and a skirt and look good in both? It's a vibe, I like it. It's so good. It just depends on the fucking date, don't it? I mean, I've always, my life, my whole life I've wanted to wear leather pants, but I've been fluctuating and weight so much, I would just look like a real cow. Can I tell you? Yeah. Can I tell you what crazy, basically, me leather pants that I wear now, I'd actually, Iggy Pop's original Cro-Marts lovers. Right, and it's, so my girlfriend's father started a clothing company with a mother in the 80s called Cro-Marts. And I remember looking at these pants and it was size 28 waist. And I loved the lager. You know what I mean? I drink a lot of fucking beer. Yeah. So at the time I was a bit bigger than I am now. I'd like, I had tits and everything, you know what I mean, cause I was drinking. You lost a little weight. I'm gonna tell you, you gained a little during the pandemic with your food show. Yeah, so I'm saying, I was like fucking, yes, my fan. It was in a pandemic, you know what I mean? I was literally in like fucking Dave's hot chicken, raising canes and like, middle. You're really showing them though that you were a fan. I remember what I heard about you the first time, you still had longer hair, and it was Bobby showing me, he's like, you gotta check out this guy in this Machine Gun Kelly video. And I didn't even get to drink this song at first because just the bright colors and a pile of women, while you guys are on top of a car like singing, I'm like, what caught you about this? I'm young blooded heart. You know, as we spend a lot of time in cars alone, so this is behind closed. Dogging. The behind closed doors singing along, it can go, you can get weird sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think it was cool too, because you always see an artist you like, and you did come up in that little alternative punk stuff. Yeah. But then your evolution when you hooked up with Ozzy. I mean, I think that was, it was always kind of, I think, when I look back on it, it's been such a crazy journey because my old man had a guitar shop, so I grew up in a Northern guitar shop. So I grew up on bands like Zeppelin, ACDC, T-Rex, you know what I mean? That's what I grew up on. And then you kind of it, 16, 17, 18, and you start getting into the punk stuff and you start getting into all that. And I think always a constant in my life was Ozzy, you know, and Sabbath, I think, there's such a staple of British rock music, you know what I mean? They kind of invented it really, you know what I mean? I mean, in terms of, in terms of, I think an artist that started 16 different subcultures was really Sabbath, you know? And the Beatles before that. But I loved kind of, I felt really lucky because I think kind of almost like when you're young, you write music that might pigeonhole you into all pop, punk and kind of juvenile stuff, you know what I mean? Which you do at 19, cause you're just like singing about what you're feeling. But I always loved proper fucking rock and roll music and I felt so lucky and blessed that I got to kind of have someone put their arm around me like that and almost prepare me for the world I was about to enter and prepare the world to be like, oh, rock music in its truest form and in its fucking madness and in its lever and its theater, it's gonna kind of rear its head again. And I felt really... I felt like it was like that when you went out and sang that song, changes. I mean, that's, if you fucked that up. Fuck you now. If you fucked that up, dude, it's a wrap. No. You gotta go call Machine Gun Kelly up. I didn't sleep a fucking wink the night before. I was like, I remember we were in Birmingham and I think kind of, I was obviously the, probably the only artist on a bill under 35. Under fucking 50 really, I think. And I was like, I just knew the next day and like, I knew that a lot of people were like, who the fuck's this kid? Oh, you're gonna get the, oh, here we go. And it's a metal crowd. You know what I mean? It's not like a fucking, I'm not walking out to a fucking radio, happy dappy fucking cheese show. I'm walking out to badass motherfuckers who've flown all over the world. Because your fan base is very supportive. Yeah, and that's the vibe of a metal audience. But I think what really kind of kept me grounded was I was just like, forget everything, say thank you to the boss. Say thank you to Aussie, sing it for him. I remember the morning I was in the hotel and they had me levers in a fucking vest or a black suit. And I was like, stood there like, which one? What do I wear? And I picked the black suit. And I think kind of when I put that on, I was like, oh, it kind of, it made, I wanted to feel respectful. You know what I mean? It was like, it was there. It was Sabbath's funeral really. It was the last gig. So I was like, I'm gonna go there. But the rough thing about that is everyone's like, you know what I mean? Before me, you've had like sweet leaf and N-I-B and fucking like, and then it's like, all right, is the fucking young sponker gonna come and sing a ballad? You know what I mean? Me and a piano, 50,000 metal fans. I think like James Etfield and Robert Trulio or Side Stage going, all right, motherfucker, let's see what you got. Right, yeah. It surprised me even as young as you are that you, that would keep you up to night before because like, that's like, do you push your voice like every time you sing? Or is like, does that feel like it's something like, if you sing it in like your key, which you have like a great voice, like you could like just do it. Like it would be almost not thought. That's a high fucking song. You know what I mean? People don't realize how high Ozzy Osbourne's voice is. You know what I mean? If you listen to like, no more tears or you listen to fucking high singing. It's so unique. Yeah, it's so unique. So you kind of like, you've gotta go on and you've got to really make it your own, no matter what. But I think we done the sound check the night before and it was kind of like sick as fucks. Like Frank Bellow from Amphrax is playing, like Adam Wakeman's playing. I'm like, this is fucking cool as fuck. And like, you know what I mean? Every motherfucker that was on my wall as a kid, like, oh, there's Kirk Hammett. Oh, shit. That's fucking, that's literally Billy Corgan. Oh, you know what I mean? I'm like, what the fuck? That's Jake Haley and that's crazy shit. Did anybody give you cold shoulder at all? No, it was actually the nicest. It's like the most, the backstage of the least ego I've ever fucking been at. And I'm like, how many records? There's like a billion records in this room. You know what I mean? And it was so amazing. I think for the first time for six generations, seven generations of rock musicians have come together in the name of one. Them, you know? And the name of that band. And I think it's just cool when you see Giza, Bill, Tony and Ozzy like together at Villa Park, which is their stadium. And after like 60 years of playing together, they finally got. Was that your first stadium? That was the first stadium. But the hardest thing about that day was the reason why I was fucking didn't sleep winks. I was shitting myself because I had to play the gig at half three in the afternoon, the Ozzy thing. Then it's a get on a jet and fucking Edliner Festival in Belgium. Right. That night, so I was like. Dead night. I was like, fuck. So I was like rattling in bed. Imagine the kid working at his dad's guitar shop saying that sentence. That's what I thought. I was fucked up. I had to jump on a leer jet and go to my own fucking stadium. So we all got problems. After performing for, you know, those old guys. I think that was what was the most beautiful thing about it really was like, I think if you kind of, you know, a lot of people still don't get me or believe me or don't fucking think, you know what I mean? I don't want to believe it for various different reasons. But like, I think when you kind of, the one thing that makes you calm, you shut your eyes and just go like, what the fuck? Bro, like if I was eight years old, getting told that I would get to go and sing this song for Ozzy right now. I think that moment I thought about all the lads bringing me up in the guitar shop and all that shit. That's kind of what allows you to not let the pressure get to you because, you know, I think you, if you, if you're grateful and you're real and you're thankful, how the fuck can people hate that? Buddy, if you told me when I was 54 that I'd be sitting in the studio at Youngblood at 55, I would have thought. Go on, man! I love my shit, dude. I'm so grateful right now. If you said a time machine, you go back and tell them, it's going to be okay, man. It's going to be alright, bro. It's, it's so funny, but like after you, I want to know, like, because we all, we've had big gigs that we've done arenas and stuff on these shows where it's like, you're sitting backstage, you're like, you know, as a comic, if you bomb, they let you know quick. Oh yeah, fuck you. Yeah, it's just, you know, to say a joke. But at the end of that, when you knew you fucking nailed it, the place is going nuts. It's generations of rock and roll and you're there. And then you, with Ozzy and all that stuff, how did you, how, like, how, how, what did you do at, how much energy, energy did you have after that? I mean, I think, I think the first, the ending bit where everyone sang together was not, was not planned. I think, because I knew that Oz was getting there at 3.30. Yeah. And we were on at like 3.45. So I knew we'd just got there and I knew he was nervous because obviously he was in a chair. You know what I mean? He couldn't get up. So in my head, I'm kind of on and the first, first verse in chorus has gone well. And I can see people literally starting like this. Everyone's kind of been like, oh fuck. And it was almost like a moment where I was like, I feel so grateful to him and Shannon because they almost like gave me that David and Goliath moment because you can't bullshit that song. No. You know, I mean, if it's like, if it's fucking metal riffs and guitar and you stood next to J. Keely and you stood next to Chad Smith and they're ripping the instruments, you can kind of hide underneath it. But with that, I had a piano and fucking. So after I kind of got through the first verse in the first chorus, I was like, oh, people are, I think I'm getting, I think I'm getting to me. I'm getting to me. And then, and then the, then the solo went by and at the end I was like, all right, motherfuckers, I'm a really fucking get you right now. Because in my head, I wanted us to hear 55,000 people screaming so much love. So he had not, he like, I knew he was nervous. We had nothing to worry about. I knew it was all love. I knew it was all the vibe. Which it was anyway. But in my head, I was like, I really want him to hear that and I really want him to feel it. And I remember getting off stage and I don't, you don't know how it's gone. You know what I mean? Cause you're so fucking in it. And I'm like, look at me. Best mate was me manager. I'm like, was that all right? And he was like, bro, what the fuck? How excited was the nightmare? 10% just got real big. I'm not liking that. I'm like, and it literally like. The nightmare you see Sharon Osborn doing this. Yeah. Yeah, bro. The night is like this. Yeah. The nightmare that you're getting piss thrown at you. Fucking. James F. Feel fucking suck. She's on her way off stage. You know, I mean, your manager's not there. I mean, manager's run off. That's what you should have done as soon as you were flayed at the top of the top of Tommy Lee. Literally. Literally as soon as you finish your song, you should have not checked all Metallica. Hey, nice to meet you guys. I've been young blood. I've been fucking hard. And but but then but then you get off stage and everyone's like, what the fuck? And we all did a shot in the dressing room. And then I was I was it was it was crazy. And I kid you not, we landed in Belgium. We went on stage at 10 p.m. And I was like, full of fucking beans. Yeah. Like full of full of spunk, man. Yeah. Let's go. I was just like, what that? You know what I mean? I was like, got on a, got on a jet, kept drinking. Uh, landed at like seven, had some fucking chicken or some shit. And then was like, what I do love about you, you are thin as shit. You lead singer, fucking smoke, invest on a shirt and you got the leather pants, but you eat shit. You don't give a fuck. You eat like an Englishman. Yeah. That's the way I get away with me. Mrs. always said she's like, I have a bit of a tub on you, man. Like, you know what I mean? Like chocolate biscuits and fucking pizza. Or chips, fishing ships, lager, tea, shepherd's pie. What's up with the tea? Can we talk about the tea? Fucking what's wrong? What's wrong with the fucking tea? I know I'm American. We threw it on the board a long time ago. You just fucked up. Yeah, he fucks up right now. I love a good tea. I'm a chai guy. That's not English tea. But I have a British store near my house and they have all this tea. Yeah. And I don't know what fucking tea. I'm going to send you some right fucking tea. You're going to send me tea? Pee-Gee chips is a crime. I'm going to slide off my chair right now. I'm saying Lipton's or Pee-Gee chips is a load of bollocks. What is it? Lipton's? Lipton's garbage. Garbage. Pee-Gee chips, garbage. Garbage. Tetley's garbage. Garbage. There's one tea in the world and it's where I'm from. It's called Yorkshire tea. Yorkshire tea. Yorkshire fucking tea. You're going to say it like that? Yeah. I'll never twist. You're going to sound like an asshole. No, I don't. Mate, you're not what you're fucking talking about. That's my fucking twist. That's my china. That's my china. That's my china. That's my china. You don't even know what that means, do you? Fine china. Plate, mate, china, what's up? That's some... All my favorite things is the British slang. Do you know what British slang is? I'm going up the apples and pears. Yeah, I just bought a book on it. I know some from when I worked with Jim Jeffries. He was giving me... Because he lived there for a while. I was calling your girl your bird in Salaris. Because I thought he was talking about his own dick to me. Because I can't wait for you to meet my bird. I go, I'm not fucking you, Jim. Yeah. I love that. Jim, I don't know what you think this is. But it's all these old cockney slangs where we rhyme everything. So up the apples and pears means stairs. Oh, okay. Or if I say, let's have a butchers. What do you think that means? Let's have a fucking butchers. Let's have some steak. No, nowhere near. All right, ready? Let's have some butchers. Let's have a butchers. Let's have a butchers. Let's have a butcher. So what it means is let's have a look. Let's have a butchers hook. Let's have a look. Fuck, I love this goddamn language. Shallow the bollocks, really. I know why this, I don't know why they say that. Let's have a fucking butchers. But yeah, Yorkshire T, I'll send you some. You can get like 200 teabags. Now, are you going to send, do you need my address? I'll send it here, no. Or are you going to have some guy? Try to take me home, innit? You're going to have some guy send me? Yeah. I told my wife I'm going to be young, but she goes, relax. I'm going to have some... I'm going to be walking down Fifth Avenue, some cunt in a bowl of that. I'm going to throw 200 teabags at you. I'll be like, that's from young blood, motherfucker. Tea time. So now you got you, you're at this next level of performing. You're, it's kind of like on your shoulders, this, because, you know, I came up with Aerosmith and, you know, the Molly Crue and, you know, all these lead singers, Pearl Jam. I had to say that for a little because that's his band. Love him, man. Eddie. But there's a lead. You sang with him. Yeah, crazy. Oh, you sang with Eddie. Yeah, that was amazing. Did he give a speech in the middle of a song? You know what? No, he didn't. We were very, we were very quiet. Oh, yeah. We just got the fucking business done. Is he cool? Fucking legend. Legend. Absolute legend. The Veds man. That wasn't my question though. Is he cool? Yeah. He's nice. He's fucking lovely. Who's, who's been kind of shitty to you? That's right. You know what, man? It's never really rock. It's always fucking, it's always like rappers. Yeah. I remember once... That's black Lula laughing. He saw it coming. I remember I did a, I remember I did a music video for one of my mates and it was like, like there's this guy called like Rapical Polo G. Didn't even look at me. Really? And we're like on set together. Really? You know what I mean? You're kind of like, you stood next to each other like doing a fucking scene and it's like, you don't even look at your other. That's not cool. That sucks. Did the song go anywhere? No, it was dog shit. Oh, good. I didn't get any money out of it. I thought I had a man in the rap days, but I was like, everyone in rock and roll, I think there's something about it where, I don't know, man, it's just like good dudes. You know what I mean? Like when I like, you always shit yourself. You never want to meet your heroes, but every time I've met my heroes, everyone's been really nice. Well, you got it. I mean, it is a little on your shoulders as Bobby said in some way to like, I mean, the lack of representation of rock music in Grammys MTV award, it's gone. It's very weird. And when I was young, like you look for, I said the famous like the Marilyn Manson closing out the MTV awards with his ass cheeks. I was like, it's huge. It's like Metallica. All these moments. And then they got, they're gone. Yeah. It's pretty fucking crazy. But I feel like, I feel like you're like, when I saw you do that changes, I was like, oh, he's, he's the next one. He's the guy who's going to, he's going to be able to bring rock and roll back beat the lead singer, the clothes, no, pressiness. It's all on you. Me and Jay, we're depending on him. I think it's, I think it's a real, it's, it's pretty crazy. A lot of people have said that. But I, I, in my head, I'm still a nine year old in the guitar shop who just loves this genre. You know, that's, that's all I've got. You know what I mean? I learned, I learned first songs I learned on guitar were like Trooper, I made in Deep Purple, all that stuff. You know, it's kind of what I grew up with. And again, I feel really lucky because I think in this day and age, there's so much option to do so many different genres of music. You know, you try it and you try it, but to kind of, I feel like I'm backing me. That's what it's like. I always say it's the kind of the, the, say what you will about kid rock. But like when I was young, the effect of that was like someone who kept telling you like, it's what hit me about it. He was like, yeah, I'm rap. I've listened to country heavy metal. Yeah. And like, you know, classic rock and he was influenced by all that because there was a time where it was, especially when I was like a young kid. When rap was like even coming out and getting big. It was like, you liked rap or you liked rock. You know what I mean? And they didn't cross over at all. So you just wouldn't even give the other genre a chance. Why almost no one in up north listened to country music. Cause you're like, why not even give it a chance? It's not my music. Yeah. Yeah. And there's great stuff out there. So segregated. And I think, I think what's, what is exciting about rock music in a minute is I think like it's, it's like spherical, like I'm all on the sniff as I doing six shit in punk music and turn style of great and hardcore. And, but for me, what I really wanted to do is I loved theater and I love fucking. I loved estrogen in frontman, Scott Wailand and fucking Jagger shaking the hips, you know what I mean? And I think like that kind of got beaten out of us in like the nineties. You know what I mean? It was all about like where the fuck did the hips go? The hips got fucking broken. Didn't look at two guys with no hips. That's. No, but you're all right. Cause even like a band like turnstile, who are, they're great. I just watched their Coachella set and they were fantastic, but it is just guys. It's like there's a, there's nothing like where you're like, oh, this guy just knocked loose. Yeah. Not loose. I love not loose. Great, great like band, but it's like, it's just for like, there's not like a frontman energy to that. That's what I love. I love, I love that. That's the, that's the thing for me. What I, in my head, rock lost the role. Oh wow. That's what I think. And it's not a bad thing. I don't give a, I love all types of rock music. I love metal. I love new metal. I love fucking hardcore. I love punk. I love glam. I love it all. But to me, when I make like people question me because, because I want to put the role into it. So that's not rock music. I'm like, to me, the fucking Rolling Stones are rock music. To me, Lil Richard is rock music. Like Freddie Mercury is rock music. You know what I mean? I think like that's why I, that's what I listen to. I listen, that's what I listen to the most. You know what I mean? You want to go see a front man do his thing and be crazy and come out and something nuts. That's what you want. You want to. And I enjoyed, I enjoy pissing people off. Yeah. So I think that's why I'm all right with it. I don't give a fuck if you ate me. I mean, I'm inspiring some kind of emotion. You know, I mean, also your, your, also your, you know, it's young blood is the act. So when they come to see you, the whole show falls on you. It's not like your guns and roses. So everyone's like, yeah, that's slash. Yeah. That's the thing. And I love it. Like it's like you, you have to do, you have to like make them. And that's why I think your eyes on you. Performance, performance is my favorite thing. Like if you have a fucking issue with me, you don't believe me or you don't fucking think I'm worth my salt. Come watch me. I'll blow your fucking ass. Yeah. You do. You know, I mean, that's the vibe. It's like, there's anyone out there who thinks I'm a cheeky little con. I am. Are you going to, I know you're going to wrap it up. We got to get you to another show. But are you going to do because you have such a cool look. You're so badass. And you're such, are you going to do any acting? Is there any acting? Because I know you're acting. I get, I got asked a couple of times I went to him. I went with me mate to a fucking Oscars party in LA and everyone's like, you got to be in a movie, man. And I was so fucking drunk. I remember I kept taking people's number, but I never saved anyone's name. So I'm like, what? I'm like, it's like, hello, it's fucking this. You got to be in this movie. So I have no idea. He's got a number. It's his guy, Richie's number. Just comes through a text. This is no number. I need a sec. He's fucking, hello. Who is this? It's Tim. Tim who Tim fucking Burton. But like that's sick. Yeah. Youngblood Spielberg. Great hang last night. I was like, were you there, Stephen? Anyway, Grumman's three a to go. Yeah. I'll do it, bro. All right. Well, listen, man, thank you so much for coming. Thank you so much. I hope you come back in. If you're ever in town, I'm fucking down, man. Let's have a cup of beer. You're a radio city. Yeah. Radio city. If you all want to come, I'll get your tickets. We'll get a pistol, man, because I've got a day off after it. So we can be out. Yeah, I'll be sober, but I never had problems. So I can drink with you. I use better help. It's online therapy. It's all right, man. You can just have a couple of croise or fucking. Just because I want you to know that my boy over here is hardcore. The problem was he had to go to rehab when he was like 13. Oh, 15. I got sober. I was 15. Fair. Yeah. I respect that. Thank you, buddy. He was younger blood. 40 years sober. 40 years. 40 years. Yeah. That's fucking great at math, too. Yeah, 40 years sober. 55 minus 15 is 40. I couldn't have done it. But he just, he's just trying to find out how inappropriate your relationship is. All right. Well, listen, check it out. Thank you for having me, man. Yeah. A new episode of Young Blood, the radio premieres on All Nation. Sirius XM Channel 36 Mondays at 10 p.m. Eastern, also available on this Sirius XM app by searching Young Blood. Yeah. Young Blood is on tour right now. Dates coming up in Michigan, Toronto, Columbus, Cincinnati and Annapolis, and more for the tickets and all of the tour dates. Visit Youngbloodofficial.com. Thank you. You're as cool and nice as I thought. Lots of love, man. I'll see you all later. If you can't be good, be fucking careful.