Unfortunately We Still Have To Recap (Summer House Full Recap)

Well, we uh, we have to talk about an episode of summer house, but It's gonna be really hard Stay on task. Yeah, I mean it's it is what we all thought it was gonna be you watch the episode You just simply don't care and There's not enough East I do think they're gonna change the editing but for this episode there was nothing they could do They can't re-edit a whole episode to like focus on Amanda West as much as possible There's a little tidbits here and there and I guess we'll talk about Lindsay looking for a sugar daddy. I Yeah, I guess I was right though. I told you we would get cliffhung on the Bailey and Dara drama so point for me Think that I don't know you cut the lead to 45 points, I guess not even against me just you know in general Yeah, just game life as there's a drive in a deep left field by Castellanos Oh man, it's eight o'clock I don't need the spotlight I shine just fine Hi, I'm karma and yes, I am a bitch brav bros Good afternoon everybody. Welcome back to the episode of brav bros your favorite podcast from the bros for everybody for whoever wants to listen I'm your co-host steel Russell joined as always by the one and only Goot lock homes. What's up, dude? How long is that gonna last? Is it just every summer house episode until the end probably? Yeah That's all right. I guess it's it's fine So I everybody's in the same camp, I mean we all watched this episode last night and didn't care Well, what are we supposed to care about like the world's burning down and we're supposed to act like it's not well watching this like oh Yeah, let's see what Ben's doing. I don't care about I don't know Sabrina I Didn't even know her name until you just said it. I didn't care so much No, I kind of knew her name. I would have remembered by the time we got to it But yeah, I mean there's just simply nothing we can do I mean I tried to do like I guess a brain exercise if you want to call it that where I Just tried to compartmentalize and say, okay Let's watch this show and see how I would feel how this season would still be going if we didn't know what was going on currently And even that was really hard and I feel like I can do that pretty well My dog just fell on the ground Yeah, he does this thing where he just kind of like leans really far off the bed and then just falls but he's falling asleep We're talking about summer house the episode and he's like, all right, who the fuck cares? Yeah, tapped out Scooby's out. I hear you. I hear you Scoob. Well, I mean we will obviously Recap it to the best of our ability. I think what we should do first Before we get into the episode is we do have a couple of minor updates Just to keep everybody up to speed as to new discoveries so to speak where where people are at First and foremost Kyle was interviewed on the street either I think today maybe late yesterday morning I think it was this morning. Yeah, okay And his biggest concern is actually Amanda's mental health now, which is kind of there I figured that he would respond this way You know, I think that at the end of the day he does care about her So he's more concerned about her being in such a dark place with all of this Impending chaos that's about to happen self inflicted for sure, but that's where Kyle's currently at What else do we got? There's some more stuff. There's a lot of social media stuff. So We kind of did this yesterday where we talked about Theoretically who would be on whose team is there going to be anybody trying to defend Amanda and West which you know wouldn't happen But in some capacity they would have their backs or at least Amanda's back I had said I thought maybe Ben could be that outlier where he's in the middle a little bit No, Ben has unfollowed both of them and his girlfriend Sabrina has Unfollowed and oh, they're together. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they're still together. Um, yeah, and uh, she Reposted something that Sierra had reposted. Sierra was on the red carpet yesterday for uh friends and neighbors the john ham show Great show Who was on watchrappins live last night? I was worried that they weren't going to be able to cover because a lot of times they do watchrappins live earlier in the day I think they still did it earlier in the day because they ended up going out the dinner after But they were able to talk about it It wasn't nearly as much though You could tell like Andy wasn't even really prepared because we ended up talking about southern charm and Beverly Hills and a lot of other things like we should just have a whole episode about that So I imagine there's going to be more tonight Kristen Dodie is going to be on tonight for the premiere of the valley. So he's going to ask her a lot of questions. I'm sure Uh, other social media stuff They did track down exactly who the quote unquote girlfriend or exclusive girlfriend west was seeing in Chicago And now people are on her social medias. She has unfollowed both of them as well And also sierra has followed that girl. So we've got a little john tucker must die situation, which I love to see That's what I want to say and if you don't know if you're not up to speed on that one apparently west had A girlfriend in chicago an exclusive Situation ship. I don't know what the hell you want to call it, but that's a whole different factor to this thing So if you didn't know that that's what shuder was talking about. So sierra's following her I'm with you. John tucker must die scenario. We love that. That's that's great Uh And is that it? No, there's more reports that we didn't really talk about too much where Uh, there's a lot of crossing lines going on. Uh, you know, again eye witness reports No real photos or anything of west leaving sierra's apartment a couple weeks ago And apparently that was happening somewhat frequently. So the two of them could have Potentially been hooking up dating trying to do something while all of this was going down. It sounds like a rekindling was afoot Yeah, a rekindling was definitely afoot which adds a lot more levity to uh, you know What sierra was going through on top of everything else? There's a chance that they were actually trying to make something work and then all of this started coming out so that really fucking sucks too and um, yeah, I mean Everybody else is kind of just drawing their line in the sand. I mean jesse put out a statement today Somebody had commented about you know, is he the tom schwarz in the situation? Was he throwing smokescreens out there? He said that he actually asked a couple times as well, which you know not corroborated at all But anybody can say whatever they want. He was in the same boat as kyle. He asked them a bunch of times too They both said no a bunch of times as well So it seems like everybody was in the dark like that was the last piece. We knew the carl lindsay kj uh, darah You know throw anybody else out there. I'm assuming like page was probably in the dark as well So everybody was completely in the dark except for a band at west. So it just kind of confirms all of that Yeah, kj unfollowed them as well. I believe Uh So you're seeing the fallout happen in real time Like if anyone's questioning Whether or not like the severity of this thing to the idiots out there still saying it's april fool shut up We're passed out at this point and it's i'm gonna wait. I'm gonna hold my judgment until 1201 thursday. Okay, cool Yeah, it's borderline dismissive of sierra's feelings and what she's going through with this whole thing to to be like, uh, to just to stop You know read the room maybe a little bit but uh We will continue to provide updates. Uh, that was the big one and it slipped my mind I'm glad you remembered it was the fact that apparently there was a potential rekindling of this relationship happening between sierra and west which is going to I mean look With sierra at the friends and neighbors premiere the caption on her instagram post was fucking great By the way, it's like if you can't trust your friends and neighbors, who can you trust? Hell, yeah So we're all crossing our fingies that we're going to see an aria automatic type situation here with sierra just blowing up On to bigger and better things leave summer house in the title baby. Fuck you Oh, yeah, I mean, I also had a dj set last night. Um, I forget exactly the song that he was playing I can find it real quick but There's a chance and a lot of people have been saying it we said it yesterday Where he could potentially save lover boy pulling him the trenches with a potential collab with sierra because he said in the video in his interview on the street Uh, I don't remember who it was that did the interview but He had said that he's been in contact with sierra a bunch over the last couple of weeks pretty much since all of this has been breaking He's been talking to her a lot They could do a collab together and it would do absolute numbies and just focus on the merch You know, unfortunately the one thing that I do remember from uh from scandalfall Boys lie became a huge thing and then everybody every time that a reality tv star was scorned It was a boys lie sweatshirt laying there. They're very good friends of the manda So they're kind of fucked right now. Oh girls. Why? Yeah, that would change their branding. Yeah, just change the branding that that would be my only advice That was that was just a funny thing that popped into my head because we have a mutual friend jayme Who's who knows the girls who started boys lie and uh, he reached out to me yesterday He's like, ah, they might be on the hot seat right now. Yeah, they can spit it. They're just a merch company That's easy. Um That was the other thing and we got this somewhat wrong because I actually forgot it's eddie parker flower So eddie parker does cannabis which I should have known because I I bought a pen from the weed company Uh, that it's the weed company that was launching a parol with amanda completely swapped out their model And then they started getting hate for it like all right How are you going to just drop somebody in a business endeavor because of something they did in their personal life? Like That's not personal life anymore. It's reality tv. Unfortunately when you sign up for reality tv, it's everything I mean one You are absolutely allowed to pull out of a business deal because of somebody's personal life That's indicative of their character which represents the company which represents the brand which nobody wants a shitty person Representing their brand one two as you said When you're a reality tv star Your life is your brand. So if you're shitty in your life You're shitty in your business dealings. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah I just the amount of people and I've stopped reading the comments. I know you were we were talking about this before You're reading comments and stuff. I just can't I can't fathom anybody who's Trying to figure out a different way to spin this and defend What's the point? I don't know. Why do you want to do that? I get like the engagement part of it Like on twitter makes sense They're rage people on twitter want to do it because it's all rage bait But if you're on instagram and you're commenting like let's wait until all the whole all the story comes out like the story's out We're done. Yeah, we got it. We're gonna get more bad news. If anything, we're not gonna get any good news No, and like that that goes to and I've made a reel about this right before we started recording But like the racial undertones of this whole thing If you're a white person in the comments trying to defend that this is not racial I don't know what the fuck you're doing. I don't know why you're dying on that hill when yeah when kj sierra and mia explained very clearly About what it's like being black on reality tv On top of that the countless people from the black community coming out now and saying exactly how they feel about this How it's affected them how they received it all of that listen People are telling you what's up. You don't have to defend. It's so weird to me. It's like no one's calling you racist, buddy But when you when you comment on it unprovoked It makes you seem kind of racist like just shut up. It's crazy. This is such a weird fallout that we're seeing now, but I know it's funny Oh, yeah, yeah, well, let's jump into this episode as well as we can It's so funny dude. Like because we were watching it last night. Obviously dev and I watched it live and uh One the funny here's the funniest thing that's come from this jesse Seems totally fine now. I was laughing at some of the stuff he was like, yeah jesse's cool He was annoying me before now. He's whatever. He's just jesse But let's uh, let's start out because there is some other things going on that that will be important just Continuity and stuff like that and we start out with carl and kyle. This one actually I was paying attention to because we do know That at some point in this season, we're going to get a carl and kyle What's the word tiff maybe they may come to blows someone gets chased out of the house a little frenzy but kyle opens up the conversation like look Just seemed like a little preoccupied the last eight or nine months and Kyle's like, yeah, well my head's about to come off my body but The soft bar investment finally gets discussed between these two and i'm glad kyle took the route of like look It just made me kind of sad But he also acknowledges like you you've given me so many opportunities You give me lots of support. So like that I appreciate and I also like that kyle's like look I get it like I don't blame you You bet on me. You want me to bet on you? I totally get it But I just am literally not in a position to be able to put any money anywhere considering i'm in the hole He's he's on the hook for like two million dollars Which does add a layer to this whole thing But the one interesting thing as we find out later on Carl who I thought got what he needed from this conversation. I thought he got he doesn't He's actually a little irritated that it went this way because and he does bring up a valid point When you do try to talk to kyle about anything serious It always comes back to the stress from lover boy no matter what the topic is It's like yeah, well, i'm so stressed because of the money and because of lover boy. So it's like his Concerns take precedence over Anyone else trying to have a conversation with him. So that was interesting to me Yeah, I'm with you. I kind of thought that carl got what he needed from this conversation I thought that all of the important points were made like maybe it wasn't Maybe it just didn't go how carl thought it was going to go or how he hoped it was going to go Maybe he thought it was going to be like, oh dude, I didn't know you meant it that way and we talked about this before Just because carl's asking for an investment. He gave what was it 15 000 dollars? I think when he invested in the lover boy At a time where he didn't really have 15 k. Yeah, so maybe it was going to be You know kyle might may or may not have 15 k But if you're supposed to be reading the spreadsheets, he definitely doesn't have 15 k to give But maybe he thought it was going to go more like we thought when we were talking before like hey, man Just like show something show that you care. Just give me a little bit of something and kyle just deflected and said no He can't do anything. So maybe carl's a little ticked off about that I don't know it could have just been eating away at him for so long that this just didn't satiate Exactly what he wanted like it didn't satisfy him. It didn't make him feel like all right We had it out. I understand where he's coming from now so we can move forward and I was able to share my feelings He wanted more from that conversation that I didn't expect and that's carl's prerogative I don't really care honestly because we agree like just because your company is failing Doesn't mean you can't find 15 000 dollars laying around just give carl just show like hey I see the same thing that you show me. I'm giving you think about it as like a It's a novelty. I'm giving you your 15 000 dollars back. Here you go Put it into soft bar do something do whatever and then we could talk about like maybe the conversation could have gone this way Like hey, let me figure this all out Like I've got three months to live essentially which is what he says If I can get through all of that, let's talk branding. Let's talk something Let's talk a collaboration that we can do with like even some sort of business venture that they can do together using both of their entities Do something like that like maybe that would be enough to give carl what he needs But kyle didn't do anything like that. He's just like dude, you know where i'm coming from. You know where I am with lover boy It's very stressful. I'm on the hook for two million dollars Like it wasn't the shock at all that I think kyle thought it was going to be for carl like oh, okay I get it. You're you know two million dollars in the hole. You don't know if you're gonna live fine. Cool. Let's move forward I won't ask you again instead. It was Come on man. Like I put my heart on the line here. I'm telling you what's going on I'm telling you that I need something from you. I don't care what it is It might not have to be monetary but do something offer something in return and maybe it'll get carl go where he needs to I think that's the point right it's it's There's nuances to it such as like you know it's just A vote of confidence or yeah or a friend showing up for a friend take the money part out of it All right, I understand that he's strapped for cash right now I don't I think if you donated five thousand dollars like this is all I have but here's something I think the underlying point from carl is It's never about anyone else's shit Right, it's always about you and lover boy and I get it like you're going through it Dire straits three months to live that's that's terrifying for sure Softbar did not launch This summer Mm-hmm, right like this has been an ongoing venture. It's been an ongoing thing that in this moment They're almost done with the build out which took over a year like this has been a very long process So at some point throughout that process, I think what carl's really saying monetary value aside like Give me some kind of investment That's not just you being on my board because that's you know an easy thing to say like yeah short whatever Anything just show me that you give a shit like I've showed you in the past that I give a shit about you and your company I think that's what it's all about. Yeah, and I agree But I love lindsay's new outlook on on love and future She's like look I did the love thing twice In in like a one-year span with two different people carl and I That went tragically wrong as everybody watched and then turner and I were not together So I gave it my best shot. I've got a beautiful baby now. That's really all I've ever wanted I want to be comfortable I want to marry a rich guy And sail off into the sunset and be a sugar baby and you know what lindsay? I love that for you and I think you fucking deserve it. Yeah You've worked your ass off you look at that apartment's fucking gorgeous Kick your feet up find you a rich dude and and just hang out. I I'm with it. I love that idea for lindsay Yeah, it's the perfect idea for lindsay. I love the guy they select because he's walking around like that lindsay type like what are we looking at? Are she just looking which is fine because it's contextually in this conversation that makes a ton of sense They're just looking at his Gucci loafers. They're just looking at his Rolex. I assume we didn't actually see his watch She's like, yeah, that guy looks like he's got some money. Maybe I can talk to him What's your deal? Do you want a boat? Oh, she asked that later. Do you want a yacht? Yeah, that was the kayak guy That was the kayak guy Uh, yeah, you know, I I like that you think I'm rich. That's the look that I'm going for Cool. How do you know or who do you know here? How'd you get to this party? Who invited you? I'm really good friends of Carl lead with that. What do you mean? You know who I am? Why are we doing this? Yeah, don't sit here and and playcate because You think you have a shot as soon as you say Carl's like, oh, yeah, I'm out But I thought it was really funny just because when he walked over You know the guy that they picked for I'm like Absolutely not this guy cannot handle Lindsay and I don't mean that in a bad way. It's not a shot at Lindsay It's just like It's going to take a certain type of dude, right? This man Is not that dude not because he knows Carl just simply by vibes I'm like, yeah, no and as she says Lindsay's like I break that guy in half I can't you probably would so he's out unless He's like a billionaire then it's like, yeah Go overseas and work for a while. I'll stay home and watch the household like everything will be great I'll see you in a couple months. I think that's what she wants like we need to find her like an 85 year old Just loaded with like just 45 and older when she was talking to Jesse earlier in the week. So yeah Let's find a Tom Gerardi without the uh felonies Yeah That'll work But we know Dara's there and she's coming in uh, oh and Brandon was that guy's name By the way, that was Brandon that walked over in the loafers. You're welcome Dara and KJ and west are talking It's so hard now by the way throughout the whole episode All i'm really focused on Is when west and amandar on the screen and when sierra is consistently Going to bat for amanda and giving her all the good advice and like therefore It's heartbreaking to watch now in real time. It's giving me scant of all Vietnam flashbacks right now, but they're talking about the Bailey stuff which Is starting to get more convoluted Because of Dara like I don't know the route that she's taking with this whole thing It is her first time on reality tv So maybe she's not aware of the cameras. I'm not entirely sure we're gonna have a weird moment at the end of this episode But the other part of it and I don't know if this kind of like perked your ears up or got your attention The borderline lovebombie confessionals Are are making me nervous. It's making me think that something happened in that room I Yeah, I mean the end of the episode makes me think something happened in that room, but In this context, no, I didn't really get that even from the I actually liked the confessional because it was more of a Continuance of what we talked about in kj's room with kj and dara where we didn't expect them to be in the middle We didn't expect them to just kind of match each other's energy in that moment Where she actually really appreciated how vulnerable he was and the fact that he opened up He really appreciated the fact that she was like no, I've got your back. I understand where you're coming from I appreciate you talking about all of this like it's it was giving a lot of emotional intelligence So the confessional was just more of that for me like I'm just focused on me and kj We wanted to get that out of the way. We're all good. We're square It doesn't mean that the rest of it isn't so that's kind of what I got from the confessional at least I I didn't get any lovebombie reactions from that not not lovebombie like You know trying to it seems to me like if something did happen She's trying to get ahead of it in a way where it's like look i'm head over heels about this guy quite clearly And I think that they are actually they're still together So like that's the biggest thing to to remember during this whole thing. They're still together today And I do really enjoy their relationship. I like them together. I think she's fully into them I think When I say lovebombie and the confessionals, I think she's trying to soften the blow Of what we may find out happened in ben's room, which again sure Yeah You don't think that there's some transient properties going on right now between west and amanda and then you're like Oh, well everybody else is cheating. Everything's going. No. No. No. I'm looking at everything I was gonna say my my second part of this whole thing is if something did happen Her and kj weren't dating but that's my point like I wish my whole thing's the lie Right if something did happen or if you were flirting the door was shut like I wish you would have said that Versus it seems to me that if something happened these confessionals are indicative of her trying to soften the book No, you're coming from no, I know where you're coming from By the way, no cheating happened with west and amanda and look where they are. So yeah, but it feels cheaty It feels different this this also lying to somebody who you're you know potentially lying I'm not gonna say that she's lying potentially lying to a guy that you're Basically dating at this point. Yeah seems a little cheaty as well. So yeah, I'm just saying You're not going to be the only one to do it But there is you know some residuals coming off where it's like no who isn't fucking lying everybody's lying She is lying. So what's your defense there? She lies at the end of the episode I'm just saying I don't blame you for looking at it that way. I didn't get any of those vibes at all The end of the end of your love blind, which is so weird that we switched roles somehow I know well no the end of the episode I and I don't really need to wait to get there because who the fuck cares People are only listening to this to talk about We're talking about west and amanda anyway The end of the episode I actually think and it'll obviously I won't have to wait too long for it to be proven I think it's fucking production. I think that they skipped it. I think that she actually does say well I did go in ben's room. I wasn't in there for an hour like I the end of the episode She says I didn't go in ben's room at all. I doubt she actually says that I think they spun it a little bit and then next week it'll be like Yeah, it was in ben's room to get changed I didn't go to ben's room for an hour and they cut off the for the for an hour just to add suspense Like we fucking need that. Do we need suspense? No anymore. No, just tell us what happened And I agree. I think that we're going to get a spin zone from production. I agree with you there I'm just saying based on what we've seen and I just love kj so much that I just I want him to be okay always So that's where I'm coming from It is very funny. We got a comment because our youtube uh recap yesterday Is you know doing some big numbies. So there's a lot of new people watching us which we love But it's very funny Somebody who had never seen us before is like my first time here These guys always sound like they hate each other Did we sound like we hated each other yesterday? I don't know. We were on the same page Yeah, this is you know, this is our communication for 20 plus years now. It's it's always been like this So we're not changing now. That's what we sound like when we're on the same page and going after the same thing This we sound a lot worse when we're arguing. I guess so. I don't know but Carl Carl is talking to the boys About the kyle control and that's where we find out that he doesn't but this was Strange to me. I but we do find out I think it might been now. It might have been later But that conversation was like an hour and a half in those chairs. Yeah, yeah So the the little tidbit that we saw Made it seem like they were copacetic. I'm assuming the other hour and 28 minutes of that conversation Was not productive and that's probably what Carl's alluding to so they're setting it up kind of funky, but You know, he's he's still on the fence with with kyle doesn't know how to address that whole thing And he wishes bailey was there and I wish bailey was there too, but I I cannot tell you How fucking mad I keep getting When we get these clips of their date like why why did we not see this fucking date? Like this would have been so good and we're gonna sit there and watch bailey facetime her mom about the date But we're not gonna see the date like give us a roll out now. Put it on fucking peacock Just carl and bailey's date See what numbers that does it's got a skyrocket roll and uncut Hell yeah, that's what we want to see but We are seeing a little blossoming romance between bailey and carl bailey likes carl super nice guy I believe that was bailey's mom on the phone. I didn't see the little one. Okay. Thank you and I love the dynamic between the two of them bailey has had a fantastic First season it's almost exactly what you want to do on your first season. She's had a little bit of conflict that stuff with ben She's had some love interests. She's been fun. She's going out. We're getting to know her She's very likable in her own personal life like she's hitting all the boxes in a very very good way a very likeable way And I want her and carl to date and I want to watch all of them. I want to be there I'm going to text carl and ask him if I can just come and sit at the table They're going on dates. Come on. You funny I wouldn't be surprised if they were taking it so slow that they're actually still on like first base just like yeah, you know We go on a date like once a week, you know, she comes over to soft bar. We go for a run Uh, you know, we get lunches only no dinners Very very explicit. Maybe a coffee date in the morning. That's what we've kind of ventured on to It's been about nine months of this and we're both very happy It only closed mouth kissing Neither of us have been to each other's apartments. Um, yeah, it's just it's going great. It's going so well Yeah, I just wanted to be awkward and beautiful awkwardly beautiful romance for them but Before we get into the the icky stuff Because we haven't had any icky scenes yet based on what we know now and then watching the shit transpire We do see jesse and maggie that maggie is his friend Who came uh from the city love interest whatever I'm not sure if he called her stupid That's the vibe I got by him saying i'm usually i'm trying to date a different girl Usually i'm in uh, like, you know bubbly and corporate types like it. Are you calling her dumb? I don't yeah, I don't know what that meant. I don't really understand it Um, the two of them are not together anymore. So it doesn't really matter. Yeah, who the fuck cares? Um, I don't know if this might just be the spin You know jesse needed the wake-up call that he got with the the sierra situation and Maybe he's looking for love now. Maybe he's gonna be the next bachelor. Who knows god. No Uh No, maybe Do I want to watch maybe he will be on the bachelorette. How about that? That i'm i'm actually in for yeah, but that bachelor right is in samples right now. Thanks to taylor frankie paul I don't know what the fuck they're gonna do That was their big move to try to like bring relevance back to the show And it could not have gone worse like literally the only way it could have gone well is if she actually murdered somebody but They could probably sell the because they have the whole thing filmed. They could just sell it for Millions and millions of dollars on the black market Put on the dark web Someone will buy it crypto. Yeah. All right. All right. Let's get icky sierra mia and lindsay are talking And the kyle and amanda stuff comes up Now we don't know we assumed obviously that amanda is not up on the financials Confirmed that she's not there is no prenup which means that she is on the hook for these loans as well Which is a whole different layer to this whole thing None of that really matters to me I guess this is sierra mia and lindsay not i thought a man is not there So they're talking about it different and they're figuring out without amanda that oh, shit Is amanda on the hook? Yes. She is on the hook So now they're concerned from a whole different aspect about the financial situation of those two because the whole underlying message that they're having right now Is the separation conversation? They all think that kyle and amanda should get separated. They don't know how to approach the topic And now we're getting an extra layer to that where it's like. Yeah, she might be happier But she might be fucking bankrupt when this whole thing is said and done So They're worried about the girl which is just heartbreaking again You see sierra like really upset about this whole thing trying to figure out the best way for amanda to move forward It's so icky. It just it gets worse too as we continue to go through this whole thing, but Ickier icky your scene. Yeah, this is gonna be a much ickier scene. Yeah These scenes are always going to be really tough Yeah, we get to like west of amanda. Yeah west of amanda talking individually is going to be really tough but these are also God kyle's gonna get a glow up from all of this the more that we see about well west convincing him, but yeah For whatever reason kyle goes inside to his dj equipment I think that's a safe space. I think when things are going wrong He gets behind the board and he's like, you know what? I feel a little better I'm gonna touch some of these knobs and buttons and press play on my iphone and I feel better I'm safe here behind the i'm gonna feel safe about all this but You know unbeknownst to me because I completely forgot where we were in the storyline We're talking again about what kyle said to amanda on friday night where he said fuck you door and There is no resolution to this because kyle still hasn't really apologized or even remotely apologized at all and west is It's gonna be so tough to go at this in like a pragmatic way because I want to say like west is going about this in the right way But is the right way really the wrong way? I don't know his intentions are fucked because For all intents and purposes what we found out thus far him and amanda at this jugsher are more than likely a thing in some capacity I don't know if they've buoyed. I don't know if they're hung out But they're flirting at the very least at the very least there's some heavy flirting going on now All we can do is take the evidence that we've been given and make some deductions of what's been going on Based on kyle saying that you've spent more time with west over the last six months than me Leads me to think that this has already begun. All right, so with that in mind Or at the very least you could say that it's on west's mind Going into this country. He's a very least thinking about having something with very yeah, he's very Caring about amanda But this could be damage control Like maybe he has some feelings, but he doesn't want to have feelings So he's going closer to kyle and trying to help kyle through this whole thing to make it I think it's a smoke screen entirely. I think that they're already involved and I think that this is a move To try to just i'm just basing this off of the six months And hang it out. That's what makes it so shitty Like I I mean, hopefully we find out sooner than later so we can make some like better judgment calls here But it'll be similar to scandal. I mean scandal. We never really got the full scope of everything like that We had the timelines that we had some timeline We still at the very end of it had inklings that they started well before all of that But we just all kind of moved on because we never really got the confirmation. I think it's going to be the same thing here I'm still not even like holding on hope isn't because I don't really fucking care anymore Until I get evidence that it started well before it actually started which you know right now The confirmation quote unquote is around the super bowl So we'll go january february around snow day is when they were really hanging out and really hot and heavy But Amanda had already put out the post about her and kyle breaking up So, you know lines haven't been crossed at that point. Yes, you can read further into the fall and the winter shore I'm not at this juncture willing to go back to july or early august and say They're definitely a thing. I'm saying there's flirting going on Maybe he's got some feelings sure, but I don't think that in my brain I don't know if they hooked up so i'm not going to say it But obviously everybody else is well with them. They're right to when they do something like this Right and i'm going to I think at the very least there's an emotional cheating going on between the two of them the whole point Is this His intentions in this conversation I do think are one to protect an image and two To gauge the situation to seem like he's not like this is almost throwing up a smoke screen like i'm not into your wife I told you I wanted you to figure it out with her like that's the vibe that is giving me and again Timelines will hopefully come out. We'll have a better grasp on everything but he's say and that's the other thing that that Now what knowing what we know It's like, okay. This is the first time That we've seen west go to bat for somebody Right, it's the first time that we've really seen him stand up for anybody in the house Stand up for a woman in the house and it happens to be amanda and then we find out that there are things so in my head this is more about defending his girl than it is about kyle and amanda's marriage in whatever capacity you want to read into at this point but I thought this was slimy as shit, but it also makes west weirdly feel good like he's helping out and doing the right thing and the bigger thing is because of this Amanda is going to be like, oh my god. He stood up for me. Oh my god. kyle never does that She absolutely does that when jesse talks to her a little bit, but yeah, this whole conversation is just Get get down to amanda go apologize get through it figure everything else out Stop telling us what you should be telling amanda, which you know, it's true Removing people but it's all very true Like that's exactly what kyle should be doing and we've seen this time and time again Whether it's carl whether it's west whether it's jesse whoever it might be It always takes a dude to pull kyle aside to be like, hey man What the fuck's going on go apologize to your wife then he gets all these things off of his chest. He's like He's confessional like, you know Everybody's looking at me like hey, you should go apologize to her but nobody's looking at amanda And I would really love it if they looked at amanda and said hey go hang out with your husband Go show your husband some love which Oh, we could go if this came out it would be laughable this week. It's like Fuck is kyle on to something does he know what's going on does he know And the other part of all of this that we didn't really talk about yesterday I'm going to reintroduce The separation timeline because I think that plays a huge part I still think kyle and amanda are lying about when they got separated. I agree with that Before the summer they have yet to show up to the summerhouse together. They always have an excuse They're always and nobody's really talking about that aspect because we talked about it in the beginning of the season Like oh kyle and amanda don't really seem like they're on great terms They announced their separation in the fall Which was after summerhouse, but we always thought like yeah, they probably got separated during the summer Everything in this show has shown us they probably got separated before the 4th of july So we don't know if they're even together at this point. So now it's like oh, fuck Maybe west of amanda are a thing But they're not blowing the whole thing up because they don't want to talk about it because now they're not really separated in the public I so we don't really know what the timeline is So there's so many different components that come into all of this and we really don't know So this whole fucking thing could have just been for show Maybe some people knew that they were actually separated, but they weren't allowed to talk about it So when we're talking to kyle about going to apologize to your wife and he's getting all butthurt Like hey, you should tell her to hang out with me They might be trying to repair their relationship because they're separated We don't know because they won't fucking tell us and they never will because it doesn't really matter unless amanda just Immediately stands up at the reunion and says we've actually been separated since june and we didn't want to tell anybody That could be a big bombshell that kind of throws things into haywire for a little bit, but it's not going to solve anything It's not going to fix anything because it's still all fucked up on different levels No one is looking at this like wow, that's really fucked up for kyle. Everybody's looking at it like it's fucked up for seara It's fucked up for amanda and west to do this to everybody else and keep everybody else in the dark No one's looking at it like well, you know, you know kyle and amanda blah blah blah You know, this whole timeline is going to shake the earth like no, it's not really we want to find out what west of demand to start hooking up That's going to be the big question. That's going to kind of put everything Into perspective just how fucking slimy this is it's already really fucking slimy But it has a potential to be the slimmiest ever Which will hopefully find out hopefully we don't get left hanging on that one but you know lines like this hit much harder when he's like Yeah, I know they mean well But uh, they could also give amanda and say hey when you're flirting with west and all those guys like maybe come give your husband some attention it's like That paired with the you know what he was saying with what? He had no idea. No, I don't think he's implying that You know west and amanda were a thing but that's my other question is His questioning of those two was that only in regards to the rumors? Or did he start questioning things earlier because he's he's pointed out now twice this summer The amount of time that she spent with west and the obvious flirting that she's done with west So now this is what sucks that we don't have the full pictures because now we sit here and go well That's weird. Is that weird that could be weird. Maybe that's weird. We told you yesterday This is gonna happen. I told you it's gonna happen today So here we are trying to decipher through this pile of shit and we don't really know but It's yeah, it's captivating It is captain out for not for the story lines on the show No, I don't know Well Jesse and amanda are talking this is the scene that I was talking about I fucking hated this because jesse's like i'm so proud of west, you know, he Really told kyle off and amanda is just melting. She's like, oh, I love you guys and then oh That's so nice. That's why I keep coming back. I don't come back for him Gross because I believe you now. Yeah. Yeah hits different now. 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Which again this whole thing that's going on does not exonerate kyle's behaviors like we are still holding him accountable for Being an asshole and dude. Why didn't you say sorry amanda's bullshit aside? Like the first thing you should have done is even if your excuse the next day is well, you know I had to process it. I had to understand why I told you to fuck off. It's like no You say sorry and then go ponder like you're sorry regardless of the reason you come up with for why you said it You should be sorry The question where he was doing the sorry But for so long that now he's free told into I needed time to process it So I don't hit you with a sorry But because I could see him doing that for a very long time and I know what happens Where he would apologize and then say but you made me feel a type of way and it just immediately negates the sorry So he's like wait, how can I fix this? Let me just not apologize right away And let me really think about why I'm doing this and then I'll apologize and then I'm still gonna do some semblance I'm sorry, but but it's better than what I was doing before so I am growing like it could be something Quite possibly which is very funny That's actually that has some merit to it. I think he's trying to relearn how to apologize Yeah, because he's so fucking bad at it. So yeah This situation doesn't clear that stuff up like he was still an asshole like they they got to where they got to in their marriage For a lot of reasons what this really is highlighting Because so many of us myself included were guilty of just throwing it all on kyle Well, she would be acting this way if you were more attentive Based on what's going on now You already alluded to it earlier. It's like well Were we looking at the thing with blinders on because kyle's so easy to pick out Yep, probably like I think like you said you called attention to him saying I want her to like give me more attention now. We're sitting here going Probably, you know, she's probably not blameless. She probably Did cold shoulder you more than you needed to and and that does that probably is hard I I can't reiterate enough guys because I know we're gonna get comments like you kyle sympathizers. I'm not exonerating kyle Okay, we just have to say all of the things because this whole thing's different now Yeah, we're we also are going to point out that he's going to get Some sort of good glow up at it where he'll be able to just kind of do whatever the hell he wants Yes, yes, that's it's going to happen. But Anywho we get to the next day I will give dara a lot of props She made a soaking joke So bravo. Well done. We love a good Mormon joke. Uh, so nicely nicely done there And her and kajia clearly do have something like I don't my Preamble earlier like I'm not taking you away like they do seem to really like each other I'm rooting for them and I agree with her kj is Super handsome and super cool. So be nice to him. But we'll agree. Let's celebrate seara for a second Huh? Because she deserves it. Mm-hmm. We find out something really cool Her grandparents had a house in north carolina. I believe it might have been south but in the carolinas And as she says she bopped around a lot in her childhood, you know, her mom and her dad moved a lot So she was here. She was there. But the one centerpiece of her life was always her grandparents house She's in a position in her life where She can buy that house and she found out it was going up for sale. She wanted to keep it in the family So she did she bought it. She's renovating it. I think her parents are moving back into it, which is incredible It's just such a cool journey that we've seen seara on And obviously knowing that she was the only Black member of this cast for so long and watching this this trajectory She's been on to the point where she's now buying a home for her parents like things are going really well and hopefully Despite all of this bullshit that she's going through right now This will only continue to get better and better. But I just thought this was such a great scene Mia What a hype girl like we all need a mia in our life. She's awesome She's given seara the props that she really needs because we've seen things in the past where you know Something good's going on with seara and you got Amanda like oh, that's great But like we got like a an actual hype girl for now. Yeah, which is a real friend. Yeah, me exactly. Absolutely a real friend And that's That's important because what pissed me off and now i'm just nitpicking Because I I don't like her anymore Don't piggyback on me. Am I going? Yeah, Amanda Yeah, she does that and shut up. Isn't it picky? But yeah, I like yeah, just shut up. Don't piggyback Now seara and ben talk about Sabrina real quick We find out that he is reaching out to her to try to rekindle things You know, he hopes he has a missus chance as we know they're currently together so clearly it works out for them Whatever, let's keep moving. Yeah, whatever because kylan amanda sit down to talk and This was their sober conversation and you can see them trying to root through everything in this moment Based on body language and convo I do think that they still love each other Like I didn't get that amanda is totally out in this moment. I didn't get the kyle's totally out. I got We're in a lot of fucking trouble right now. I don't know how to move forward. You don't know how to move forward The funny thing is they both want the same thing but They are Missing each other because kyle wants amanda to be nice to him Yeah, amanda wants kyle to be nice to him But amanda is not going to be nice to kyle until kyle stops being a dick to amanda So around and around we go there's budding heads at the end of the day. All they really want is to be nice But it's all we need Yeah, the it just simply can't happen and Look, I mean all these conversations are just gonna get completely lost in the mix with everything else because it's like Okay, it's not like we expect kyle and amanda to get back to a good place and we're rooting for it And then all of a sudden we get this news and it's like fuck amanda cheated on kyle It's like no, we know where this ends up But we can at least piece together they get back to an amicable place Which I guess is good enough for now and we'll have to see where that goes But it's just gonna make you feel worse at the end of the day because of all the things that they've done in the current times Now what what the current events have done For a conversation like this As we've already discussed a little bit is it does make me more open to listening to what kyle's saying about their current situation Which I would not have done if I didn't hear all of these shenanigans currently going on so when he's saying You know, we're in a weird place. You're talking negative about me. I said fuck you blah blah blah I'm an asshole But I don't feel like you want to be with me And now when we take that and go back in seasons past, obviously their marriage has been on the rocks for a while When you really think about all the digs that amanda takes Constantly, okay, it's always a drag kyle moment. Ha ha. Yeah, blah blah She does it in this episode, but uh, I come back for you guys not for him in the midst of all this shit going on She still makes a little dig. So the more you see it the more you start to question. Okay We know kyle's faults and this doesn't excuse kyle's faults Those are all still major reasons why their marriage got so rocky in the first place the late nights the drinking the dj without a doubt but Was she distant Did she push him away? Was she not giving him anything? Was he getting tired of feeling like she's taking jabs at him? 24 seven was that also a much bigger factor than we may have given credence to Because we were so quick to be like well kyle's just a fucking mess Yeah, I mean it's a very funny conversation to have Given what's going on now. Who could have thought that we would ever even give this conversation any sort of credence Not me. I don't know. I don't think i'm ready to have that conversation. I don't think I think I think that's part of the frenzy again. That's one of those things where it's like Yeah, I mean you could absolutely have that conversation. It doesn't mean you should it doesn't mean that it's different I mean you could I think focus in on maybe not the whole marriage. Let's not do that But you could say for this summer. She's been very distant. You could look into that. I think that's fair I think that's fully fair game to do that timeline wise I don't think we should be going back and reviewing If you want to look at a man's behavior towards other girls and friends Absolutely go back as far as you want That's completely fine. But with kyle and amanda's marriage. No, I think that you can look at this summer in a nutshell And try to figure out, you know, again It'll it'll help you figure out a timeline with her in west when she was fully giving up with kyle Was she looking to other people? Maybe sure. Okay Go into ben a little bit because we have to talk about that at some point this season fine But anything past that no no it's all kyle's behavior before that Yeah, I think we need to keep it bottled up to that just to Keep the chaos as contained as we possibly can and that makes more sense So, yeah, all right. We'll take it to that route Amidst trying to potentially fix their marriage Did she actually give it a fair chance or was she so quick to be like meh poke jab Fuck you kyle that she really didn't give it a good chance In this summer now, I I think but and again, both can be true like yeah, was she looking elsewhere fine I mean we've said it the whole time even before we knew about west and amanda that this was over Amanda decided it was over before it even started this summer. So yeah, I don't know and again It brings me back to where they actually separated this entire summer probably so I don't know I think I think over the last year I think that there was a sticking point and I unfortunately I don't think it was during summer I think it was while kyle was away doing dj stuff in the interim in the off season if you want to call it that And then by the time we got back to summer, I think Amanda had already didn't I think that she had already given up She had already started poking and prodding and we were already doing the song and dance of who's going to step out first Who's going to end up destroying or divorcing or whatever it might be to their marriage at the end of the day But unfortunately again, you know, we only have those conversations in the beginning of the summer To go off of where she's saying you weren't here for weeks. You're gone for long weekends. You come home You're exhausted. You're going to lover boy. You're doing this. You're doing that. You have no time for our marriage Let's chalk it up to like last february like last january Somewhere around there where kyle's in montreal doing dj gigs and she's at home with the dogs Getting high on the couch just in I guess not really enjoying her life But just not doing anything and just All right, I know the rest Yeah, I see like yeah, I don't want to do anything But yeah, I mean again, they opened the door to that We talked about yesterday have opened the door to do all of those things doesn't mean i'm personally going to do it But you could open the door and just go back as long as you want to I mean people are already doing it and One of my favorite things that I saw today, which doesn't have really anything to do with this But for all of the chaos that's been ensuing over the last 24 hours and all the people that are going to go back and watch summer house Who haven't watched it before maybe they picked it up in like season nine And they're not really tuned in online But this is news that just kind of circumvents all of that and everybody finds out about it If you go back and you're watching and you're a first time watcher How jarring of an experience it would be in season two when you run into erica kirk That's fucking great. That's actually you don't know it and you're just like, oh, yeah, this is a fun scene between carl Introducing his friends. Oh my god. It's erica kirk. Holy shit. What are we doing? Why is this not bigger news? It was bigger news in our circles, but you know, maybe not to everybody else But yeah, that was that's one thing that's very funny made for all the people going back to watch Yeah, if you're like the new watchers We're gonna be like, oh my Yeah, yep carl's friend erica setting up with jordan. Yeah, what fresh out the orphanage in romania Jesus christ. Yeah, that's fucking banana land but the conversation ends with Pretty much. Why are we not putting in the work? Will you do couples therapy? I love you, but I feel like we We need to be in a partnership and do it together. I just want to feel loved. So do I In a nutshell without everything else this conversation pretty much tells you like they're just not on the same page This is not going the way that they want it to go Give it everything else involved. Who the fuck knows like that's where we yeah I'm always going to be the speculative one here shooters. Usually More straight and narrow until we get more information But the reality of the situation is we can sit here and speculate all day until we get a timeline It's really hard to deduce Who's not who's in the wrong obviously man is in the wrong But as far as their marriage goes the falling apart of that how much was she Culpable in this entire thing because at the end of the day We will never retract how much we've shit on kyle for his behaviors like that all still is 100 true So don't don't get a twist to just because i'm bringing up some that's the other thing to it And we've talked about it too. Amanda bulls a mandible Amanda is no man in a lot of different ways in the marriage because she married a guy Knowing fully who he was and expected him to change. I mean we've seen that so many times not only on bravo, but in real life Yeah, you expected this guy to change. He showed you exactly who he was. Yeah, maybe he was lying to you and saying i'm gonna change I'm gonna do this. We're gonna have kids. We're gonna move to new jersey We're gonna move out of the city It was never gonna happen. We all knew it was never gonna happen At times obviously you feel bad for amanda and in those times when you felt bad for amanda You don't have to go back and be like wow, I can't believe I ever felt bad for her She did what she did years later. I mean we've been talking about this for 10 years at this point He's just he's done her wrong every other way. So no we should not go back to 2017 first year of summer house and be like wow Amanda you were always a terrible person like she did a terrible thing She was probably a terrible friend along the way and those are the things that we're gonna see along the way But no you can't go back and be like amanda is the real problem in this marriage It's like no kyle's still the real problem But amanda never really gave it a chance in certain instances. So yes, I if you fall on that side of the coin That's fine by me. Yeah, and I think another good point from that is pointing out the fact that You may have given her a pass for certain things So this is separate from her marriage separate from kyle separate from the cheating Like you said her being a friend to people her being a quote-unquote girl's girl when she quite clearly was not You can look at her behaviors now and scrutinize them more because now we know That she has some characters some pretty serious character flaws So if you want to look at it through that lens like was I looking at amanda through rose colored glasses this whole time? Sure, sure, but yeah, I think it's a dangerous game if you go back to like 2017 2018 be like oh it started here. It's like well, let's reel it in everybody It's gonna get wacky before this thing's all said and done. So the episode ends With lindsay's I mean this place must be 40 grand a month like that. I know is a gorgeous Unbelievable city. I was like it's Is proud the right words that patronizing I don't know like you just holy shit like she's done so well for herself and We get You know the chaos of lindsay watching her on summer house year in and year out, you know, she's Vital to the show because she has these Massive blow-ups. She's emotionally charged. She has great one-liner. She doesn't take any shit She's our go-to when we need somebody in the house check like that's all the things that we look at lindsay But when you go to her professional side of things the influencing the brand deals all the stuff that she does She's very good at what she does Oh, my god Like this like it is if you really look at her career if you take the summer house out of it and look at what she's Accomplished as far as her professional career is gone It's incredibly impressive and it's totally separate from summer house And she might have gotten the star from summer house, but she's capitalized and done a tremendous job And this this apartment is indicative of that. So it's just a cool moment, you know That was the the one thought that I had during this scene Everybody's kind of showing up people online have speculated that Dara has like schemed her way on the show and she's scheming her way into kj's like Relationships so that she can continue to be on the show And I always thought that those were funny and they don't really have any any gravity to them for me But her walking in she was amazed. She's like, oh my god, this place could be gorgeous This is beautiful and then the back of my brain. I'm like, she's thinking this could be me Just a couple years on summer house. I'll be fine. This is gonna be great I'm gonna be limited to a place like this in like six years. This is gonna be awesome But no, I don't really think that she's thinking that I just thought it was a funny moment But like you said and you knew it We were gonna get left on a cliffhanger that nobody really cares about anymore Because Levi and daily are both there at Lindsay's open house at her housewarming apartment gift exchange Piano swimming apartment gift meant gift exchange Player the piano the piano took me out. I was like, she's doing it all and I love it She's doing so much and you know what Lindsay can never do too much But yeah, we get left on that cliffhanger because we see Derek going right over to Bailey I got a phone to pick with you. What happened last week? You told Lindsay who then told kj because I walk in and kj is just in dismay All over the place in his emotions because you told Lindsay that I was in ben's room down at the summer house for an hour Yeah, I mean were you not in ben's room? I don't know. Am I wrong about that? No, I wasn't in ben's room end of the episode I do think they're gonna spin it. It's gonna be production bullshit where they edited it to make it seem different They cut off the end of the sentence or she just rectifies the statement. She's like no Yeah, I I was in ben's room, but it wasn't for an hour is probably how we're gonna lead off next episode It's annoying that they do that and it's annoying that they do that now because none of us really give a shit about this Yeah, you know, I'm hoping that's the route it goes. That's I I agree with you. I think that's where we're headed We're about to get to questions and I just I know they're all gonna be west and Sierra Amanda centric which is funny. It has nothing to do with the episode probably but Yeah, I I keep coming back to the fact that they're still together So I'm assuming whatever did actually happen wasn't that damning Yeah, I'm hoping against all hope that This is not news to KJ that he's not watching the season going oh shit that would suck But one I do believe productions being a little shifty and two I don't care Because yeah, that's the man to our together And the other big part of that is west is in in Italy at a wedding So are we even gonna get him in the episode next week probably not a good point I wanted to be there or was that this weekend? And they're at Amanda's during the week. I imagine they're at I imagine they're at Lindsay's during the week I think it's a weekday thing because maybe I want to interfere Yeah, maybe I guess I don't know Yeah, we'll we'll get to some questions here and I see the first one which Non-west in Amanda question. I'm gonna read them from take Kessner. So did that lie at the end or do we think that was editing? I think it was editing I think it was editing too. I will say this if it is a lie. What a weird weird fucking move And that it would be the most bizarre thing ever like we watched it happen. We don't know the duration We don't know what happened, but we do know you were in there and there's cameras and this might be a A learning experience for Dara I feel like we always get this moment with newbies in one way or another where they're reminded like oh right Everything's on camera. Yeah, this could be that but I'm assuming production's being weird From C right fam six is west defending his girlfriend to her husband's face Sorry not to look at it like that Bell Bella gr 1985. Why do you got to do this? I know Steel's a crier like I am So where their tears and Sierra spoke about the house. I got choked up. Yes. I did. Yep Yeah, why you got to do me like that? You got to highlight that? Uh from ha ha leo, I don't know if I can watch this anymore Do you think it's intrusive to see her to pick cameras back up? We talked about this yesterday In my brain, I mean it's summer house. They're not going to pick up cameras in April If they do it, they'll do it like they did it with Carl and Lindsay where we just have like kind of a pow wow Or we talk about what they went through and how and did I was stupid that was though? Yeah, it was really stupid and we looked forward to it the whole time It's the same thing is when pageant craig broke up and we got a weird pow wow with shep craig and austin where they were sitting there talking about it We got nothing from that I don't think it makes any sense to pick cameras back up for summer house now for in the city They might try to pick cameras back up, but they still have the reunion film for this So they're going to do that afterwards if they are going to do it Yep pretty much Uh Oh, that's a deep one. We'll end on that one. Let's see if we can Piece it together. I like that Uh, okay. So from Madison Senefanti Do you think the kj will have an issue with darah in real life since now? She's fully lying about being in Ben's room like she's totally denying even going in there screams liar Wait until next week and then we'll revisit that question because exactly that's a good question If it is what it looks like it is at the end of this episode, but again, we still think that there's A little editing magic going on right now. I'm yeah, it's gonna be exonerated pretty quickly And that was my scared theory of oh god is kj gonna see this for the first time and oh god This is going to be a big deal We don't know um Yeah, we don't know we got a What watching wait? Oh Wait, are you doing the whiteboard one? Is that the one that you're waiting on? No Okay, uh, so from erin d. Gray goryo Do we think the west's two friends will do a whiteboard breakdown of the scandal that would be the broadcast boys Uh, they will before we're supposed to cloud. Yeah, we were supposed to cloud with them before they started getting into reality tv um I I mean I think they're gonna have to because it's kind of their schtick now that they do that I mean they did it with taylor frankie paul a couple of weeks ago. They've done it with a lot of things West is on that show a lot like he really is I think they have ties to complex too, which doesn't help the situation But I think We know we're integrity you have to you're gonna have to do it Oh, we got a comment on our youtube video. It said journalism is back and it's my favorite. Oh, I know I know I I saw that and then it escaped me and I couldn't find it again. I was it is my favorite comment. We've ever gotten Let's see I love that one From cat cat leapy 86 is that the way we're just reading from cement the balsamo Okay, cat leapy 86 does kyle saying keep it in the family when talking about sierra's house hit different now Yeah A lot of things are gonna hit a lot different though just because uh of where we're at normally I wouldn't read something like this but uh Given the gravity of the situation. It's funny. Samantha balsamo asks not related to the episode But can we talk about how they're definitely in a coke fueled romance? Jesus christ Amanda doesn't strike me as a koki though west. I don't either but she's they've been partying a lot I'm not going to say that either of them are doing anything. I just thought that was a funny question Uh from lindsay bucks lindsay saying hi carl is the new hello newman their interactions are very funny now They are incredibly funny. I love watching the two of them interact. So the fact that carl got invited Yeah, maybe it's look. I don't want to think this way But maybe the show or bravo said hey, you got to invite carl to your housewarming since you're on the show And he's on the show. We need to see this interaction I like to think that lindsay invited carl because she wants to wants him to see her beautiful new apartment And that's it's petty in the funniest ways. Yep. I love it. I love it All of their interactions are great and I thought carl handled the whole thing well Getting a gift different jemma Him explaining that it's going to be a cool moment because the books about new york is just fucking gold. It's incredible Uh, let's see what else do we got in here? I'm doing a couple more Um merissa and palm is their scenario where lindsay and carl can repair their friendship? Absolutely Honestly jokes aside like they could genuinely become not off the fence taking it on the chin And then we have this whole scandal to go around where clearly carl lindsay you're on the same side I mean it might actually push them closer to friendship Yeah, I could definitely like in a couple of years like two seasons if they're still in the show of carls on in the city In some capacity. I would imagine that we'll see them have a fairly normal looking friendship I don't think it's always going to be this awkward unfortunately for us at home But yeah, I I think the groundwork is there I think they're both in a different place in their life And I think carls genuinely happy for her. So yeah, I see them being friends Yeah, uh from christy leon not taking credit, but I heard somebody call this scandal a mess all one word I Funny enough in the scene where carl and kyle are talking He's wearing a badge and it probably says like old and awesome or something But it only focused in on awes and I thought that was very funny. I don't know why meta very meta I'll do a couple more Oh, I think that's the one that you're waiting on Why don't you just read the one that you're waiting on because I'm from guessing which one it is katrina Nope, not that one. So I'll you go and I'll go or I'll go and then you go because you've got that one for the end Did you've been waiting? uh from beana xl. I'm sorry. I already asked but Do you think amanda would have done the same thing to page? No Yeah, I don't think so. I think she's afraid of page. Nope I don't think she would have and that that's where the The racial undertones enter the conversation again, whether you want to hear that or not So that's a big part of it. Yep Katrina asks this one's deep. So that's why I saved it. What's the bro's psycho? analysis on why west is the way that he is I think that for his whole life off camera West has been able to move however he wants to because he's very charming And I think if you're one of the dudes, he's probably a one of the best friends you can have and I think that's disarming And I think because he's disarming he's been able to move However, he wants to now that he's in the spotlight Those old behaviors are coming back out And he's getting cut and I think a big part is he had that The backlash from sierra a couple years ago He had a decent season last year. He had a great off season If you were paying attention to west this off season, he really Gained a lot of traction in the complex world like his sports interviewing job He's made a pretty big leap there. He's been going to all the events He's been hanging out with fucking tom brady and and all of these huge names and I think That he forgot the lesson that he learned two years prior And I think he got cocky I think he got reckless and I think those old behaviors came back out and I can move how I want to move because I'm a nice guy And it's coming back to bite him in the ass. Yep It's a good assessment. Um, I just saw something on twitter and we'll end on this but crazy days and nights who does blind items just like duois somebody found a uh a blind item from june 5th 2025 This seasonal house reality star is cheating on her significant other seasonal house reality star would be summer house The replies back then were amanda amanda and kyle and then somebody said They're both seeing other people and they have been since the fall the male counterpart is Sloppily open about it and openly sharing that he's waiting until this summer to file for divorce as a storyline on quote-unquote his show so That adds to uh the mix of what I was talking about earlier with the timeline of which everybody's forgetting about the timeline of amanda and kyle actually being separated because they were probably separate well before even that I agree nothing there that doesn't excuse anything happening. No because the behavior is completely separate from that But yes, this isn't like even if you're going back far and you're like, oh my god if amanda and west were hooking up That means that they were cheating on kyle like Maybe not they probably don't know who she was cheating with also, you know, that's the thing so we don't like that's yeah That's the shitty part about stuff like this is like well one of the shitty parts about recapping stuff like this. I should say Is this is all we can do until we get more and we're going to hit our point where it's like that's all we're gonna get Which is what happened with scandval we got most with scandval, but there are still questions about like the exact timeline and everything like that Um, so we just have to wait and see I mean, it's all going to really come down to the reunion and What route west and amanda take I hope And pray even though I'm not religious that They just cop to it and take it on the chin not that that's gonna do anything as far as repairing the reputation But like that's what the other people on that stage deserve. That's I mean sierra above everybody else like she deserves that She deserves for you if you are actually friends with her at any point And west if you actually cared about her at any point She deserves complete transparency at the end of the day. Yeah, just out of respect, but Don't think that's gonna happen. I think they're both gonna be cowards. Um End time will tell but uh We're gonna have to do more of these until the reunion. So that's gonna be interesting. Yes, we are It's gonna be very we're gonna lose more and more interest in the actual show. Yeah, I know Because more is gonna come out and we're just gonna end up getting like we're gonna Meet each week to discuss what we know now probably for sure That's all I got you got anything else? Nope. I'll go to here. Well, that's our show brad broser added here Oh, please not that music that music gives me nightmares from my childhood Could we get something a little bit lighter some lighter music here? Are you a fan of true crime tv shows? And what about unsolved mysteries the show that jump started all of our love of true crime? 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