Ep 1250 | Bill Maher Might Be Jase’s Favorite Left-Winger & Fox News Gets the Robertsons Mixed Up

I am unashamed. What about you? Thanks, ready? He's yawning already. We need to start. What time do you get up this morning? Jayce, at least he didn't do it right in the middle of one of your thrilling points. He didn't mind it. I don't know. I looked over at you and was wondering if... I'll just ignore it. Jayce is talking and I need to yon. It is a nostril flare in the nose, out the nose. Unless you're paying close attention, you don't know what I'm doing. I'm just glad that it's not... I guess because you're not in the room. They say that yawning is catchy. If someone yonks you in the room, they'll be yawning. But I guess it doesn't work on camera because Zach will be yawning, but it doesn't make me want to yonk. No, it just makes me sad. When did you get up this morning, Zach? I want to know when you got up. 6 a.m. That was my one more. That's two hours after me. Well, that's fine. So welcome to the shame, by the way. Let me tell you what I didn't do though, Jayce. I didn't take a two or three hour nap yesterday afternoon. You probably did. Did you take a nap yesterday? I did. And you lay off. I slept for four hours. Okay, there you go. There's no naps over here. So what y'all don't know, Jayce just rolled in from the duck blind. What y'all don't know is we had just repositioned the whole set here because I did a hit today on Varney's show. Oh, I got asked to be on and I said I couldn't do it. I know. Well, they turned to me, Jayce. You're back up. So here's what's funny about it. So Zach sends me... We were talking in the podcast a few podcasts ago about, I don't remember the exact discussion, but Seattle came up in the discussion and I had a little rant on there about, because I had been to Seattle several years in a row and it just, you know, how bad things were going there from my perspective. So you're qualified. You know Seattle because you've been there once. I've been there five years in a row, Jayce, more than just once. But anyway, I just said this whole thing becomes untenable because these people have this like cloak compassion. For the people that are there and they think, well, the best thing to do is just let them do drugs on the city streets and just let them be homeless and like that's a good thing. And we were talking about it. I was like, that's not ordering how we were made by God. We're made by God to pursue our dream. We knew I did that bit on the podcast. Zach has a response on there. Well, foxnews.com, which is their digital thing, does a piece about it, about our podcast, which I was thrilled. I was glad they put it out there. I was wondering where this came from. So look, here's what's funny, Jayce. So they took Zach's quote and attributed it to you. Oh, so it said, well, that was more than them. But do I like it? So Zach got weeded out of the article in the thing because I thought, man, Jayce was, I didn't realize Jayce was so eloquent in the way he was describing my response to the city. And it was actually Zach. And so Zach and I were laughing about it. So then today when I do the hit, when Varney's people asked me to come on, I do the bite and he asked me about it. And they played the clip. Well, I hear in my ear, it's Zach. They were watching. But they think it's me. But it was reported as you. So it was kind of funny. He didn't ask me anything about that. You know, I did it on these shows too. Zach, he'll put later today. He'll be on a road with a sign saying, fake news. It was me the whole time. It was me. Well, it's, you know, we talked about this the other day. It's the Willie. Every time you ride and play with Willie, this is his old quote is, hey, if this plane goes down, you realize it's Willie Robertson and four others. You're one of the others. You're one of the others. And so I told Zach, Jayce, it was like, that dynasty star is on the undershame podcast and one other. Yeah. Why does it bother me though? I mean, cause that's kind of a stereotype in our culture. Cause people get our names mixed up all the time. And they'll just say right to my face, we all look the same. And I'm like, okay. You know, I read the article though, Jayce, and I was reading it and I was like, hey, Jayce's on fire. At first that's what I thought. Man, that is some good stuff. It was your quote. It was my quote. Zach's quote attributed to you. I really was like, I thought to myself and I read it. I thought, man, that's weird how much me and Jayce like sound alike now. I guess it's just part of the whole, you know, doing this every day. I took the, I mean, I'm glad it obviously, cause we're just expands our message out, you know, to some more platforms. But I took it as an honor and I told Varney's producer that, that I said, dad loved going on Varney. Of course, Jayce has been on there several times cause you know, he is, and he loves us. And she told me, she said, thank you for your kind words. I shared it with Stuart. He loves your family. He loved your dad. And you know, so it's just a, we've always had a relationship and it was just weird that he's a Brit and all that, but he's just such a good guy. He's just, I love when we would go to New York. Can you imagine sitting three hours a day just reporting the news? And I think, cause it's not that we're that lovable. I think it's just, we're so different. That it, it makes it not so boring to have to sit there and read off a telepon. And he likes the, he likes our authenticity. And he asked me specifically about why I, why I said what I said about God, why cities like this need God. And so I appreciated and given me that opportunity then to respond to that, you know, on a business show. It was really, did they ask you about Bill Maher? He did. They had, they had given me that little hint. So that was the tile off and I knew I only had a few seconds. And so I tried to be funny. I don't know if it came across or not, but he asked me about Bill Marney. They played the clip of Bill Maher griping about, he'll never win an Emmy because he's been nominated 33 times. He's never won because he says, I tell the truth about these fake woke people in Hollywood, which I thought spot on, you know. And so I told him, so when he asked me a question, I said, well, yeah, I never thought I'd say this about Bill Maher, but he's becoming my favorite left winger because he tells the truth. I said, therefore it's great. I said, I tell you what he needs to do, quit worrying about the Emmys, don't worry about the Golden Globes. He needs Fox to give him a Patriot Award for telling the truth. I said, that'll be way more valuable to most people in America. That's a good award. That wasn't funny. That was a good point. Well, I was saying it kind of tongue in cheek and, but yeah, and that was the last thing I said. That was the last thing. He's interesting to me because I used to watch him like years ago back when he had the show was on HBO. It was politically incorrect. Yeah. And he was, I mean, he is not, the way he kind of came in this, in the conversation the last several years is kind of bizarre because I always thought that he was always a leftist, a very left leaning atheist. I guess he's atheist. I mean, he's not a lawyer. I think he's atheist, yeah. So I'd be, I'd love, but I think he's one of these guys that I would love to host a conversation with him and a few other people in a room and let's have a really in depth conversation about Christianity. And is this, I think that I wonder if guys like him are actually like they're on this road. I feel like they could be open and to the look and we know who you are talking about. I've been just playing along here. I'm shocked. You didn't know who Dave Ramsey was. I was, yeah. I don't know who Dave Ramsey was. You know the biggest, by the way, Dave Ramsey episode did amazing. And the funniest thing that came up in the comments that told me this, Jase, was that you didn't know who he was. It's like, they said, Jase has just put on an act. He doesn't know. I apologize. You know, to him, I was like, look, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't know who you are. And, but my wife assured me that you're a big deal. We would like each other. No, she said, you'll, you'll like him. And we do. Well, people, some people thought it was a bit, but I have to go to your defense. I was, we were talking about this and I think John Leek was in the room. He said, oh no, it's not a bit. He said, he asked me the night before, hey, you ever heard of this Dave Ramsey guy? So it wasn't, it actually wasn't a question. My authenticity. I was trying to know the fans did not us. We did. I mean, we did. You were just making that up to try to be funny. I didn't even know we were still doing radio. And of course he explained that to me. Did you know when he came to your house on, on our Christmas party that who he was when he came in, he was eating at your table. I thought it was some bum. Somebody had picked up, which happens a lot. Yeah. It almost happens every year. Eating alone at a table. And I thought we had all finished eating Zach. And so we're like gathering mama to open her presents and all this. And Dave had just gotten there from the airport and he's sitting at the table by himself. He was sitting by himself and I actually, hell, I didn't tell you that I pulled Missy to the side and I said, you realize there's a strange fan eating at our table eating. And she went, that's Dave Ramsey. I was like, he's coming to our Christmas slash birthday party. Cause he had to fly in right now. Then I felt bad. And I was like, look, sorry, I thought you were homeless. That's funny. You were more like dad days than I've ever thought. The older you get, the more you get. Well, if we bring Bill Maury in for duck kind or something and he shows up, we'll have to prep you in advance. That would be quite different though, because you all are describing a left wing guy. How would I know him? Well, he's kind of made his, he's made his debut. He was kind of leftist that they're in the whole kind of craziness of 2020. He was one of the guys like, wait a second, this is a, he's kind of, he's a, he's a comedians. He made a, he made a diversion from the woke part of the left wingers. He's still left-wingers. I made a diversion from that crew years ago. And that's why I don't know him. But he's, he's getting a lot more play on Fox plays a lot of his stuff now because he's, he's, you know, he's talking common sense and he does it about liberals. So they, they love him. So that's kind of why he's on there. He was actually, I saw him on Guffield, Zach, he was on there. They traded appearances. Guffield was on his show and he was on his. So. Jason, you've been sick lately. I mean, you come in last week and you were all sniffing and what was going on? Kind of a creepy like call. I was sick about two weeks ago. And then I thought, I need some Texas super food right now. Something good. That's what you do. And they get that bottle of Texas. Right here. Right in the middle of cold flu season. I think it's been one of the worst flu seasons we've had in a very long time. And so when you go into these seasons, you got to have strong immune system to detect, deflect and destroy the bacteria and the viruses that you come in contact with. So our friend, Dr. Dennis Black, we've spent quite a bit of time with this gentleman had dinner with him. Great man. He invented Texas super food 25 years ago to build our bodies defense from the inside out. It's got 55 vine ripened vegetables and fruits, probiotics and enzyme. And I've been taking Texas super food and Jill's on it by the way now because she didn't like the mixed drinks. She likes it in the capsule and it just makes us feel better throughout the day. It's the real deal. It's the original super food and it's super easy to incorporate into your daily routine because it comes in the capsule. So if you can't, won't or don't eat all your vegetables and fruits every day, then Texas super food is made for you. Start boosting your immune system today. Go to Texassuperfood.com and use the discount code UNESHAIM to get 35% off your first order. That's Texassuperfood.com. Use code UNESHAIM to get 35% off your first order. Texassuperfood.com. Use the code UNESHAIMED. Well, the, the more important thing is we actually got 22 ducks this morning. I was going to ask you. We didn't see very many. We were hunting a timber hole. I was back with the boat people. This guy is like, he reminds me of Zach. He, he's a bit of a hustler. Oh, God. He makes boats. Look, I'm a straight shooter son. He makes boats. But since he makes. My hustler, Jase, means he works really hard. That's what he means by hustler. He hustles to make his money. He's got a company called Reaper Boats and I guess evidently it's a big deal because all these people with these hot holes. I've heard of Reaper Boats. You know, you need boats. What's, it's local here. And so they, they let him hunt. I guess they think, you know, they're going to get a boat or something. And so we went, you know, that hole that you always thought is across the road. If you could ever get it. Well, this was, this is twice now. I've been with this guy and we've been on that hole, neither one of us on it. Yeah. And we, we got to hunt there. And so not a good day for duck hunting. It was supposed to be clear, but it was cloudy. No, no wind. Not really foggy, misty rain. We're hunting this because they, he likes hunting these green timber, what they call green timber holes. And I don't think we fired a shot till eight o'clock, which is why I said I'm going to be a little late. Cause all of a sudden I heard somebody say, cut them. And I looked up and there were 75 till coming out of the decoys too, too late. Yeah. Really. And I just, I don't need light. Well, they didn't like, they just, but you know, if we'd have seen them come, we're in a timber hole, where'd they even come from? They dropped from the heavens and you just look up and there is way too late. So we messed up on that group. But what's funny is nobody even shot and they like picked up, but about three or four of them just turned back and came in. Now we got them. So I thought, well, my question is out of the 22, how many were till 21? That's what I wanted to hear. Cause that means there's going to be some till wraps in my future. Oh, Jay's got them. And so we shot 21 and then. That is PhD friendly, by the way. The only, and when this is the mallard hole and I was like, we got 21 till, which is unusual for these till to be hitting the timber. Who knows what happened, but it was really fun. And they looked majest, it was fun hunt. But at about, we had to leave. Kind of a reaper like it. We had to, oh, everybody was, I mean, shooting till everybody was, we were trading recipes. Oh yeah. I mean, it was. They're the best eating duck, if you're wondering, by the way. I mean, Uno number one, the best, but then about, we had to leave at 10. So I could get here and I was like nine, 49. We heard first mallard. We've seen he made about five passes and he disappeared. And I was just standing there with my gun up and everybody was looking. We could hear him. It's looking. And I just looked up and he was coming over the blind about 40 yards, but he was flying a little faster than I thought. And I had, so I just threw up on him because they said, you know, let me call it the guy, all that. But I thought, if we do not shoot this duck right now, he's not coming in here. But my back, you know, he was flying faster. So when I went up, I needed to turn around and just shoot him normal, but it was too late. I'd already gone up and I reached a point where it was like, wait a minute. My body was like, wait a minute. So I just with my arm pulled out in front. Your body is communicated this year. Yeah. And shot. It was a lucky shot. And that Joker just folded. I mean, and everybody looked because nobody saw it. Everybody, he had come from the back of the blind and boy, they went to Hooping and Hollis. And you know, and so I was like, we got him out. So we all took pictures with him act like it was a book there, you know, and then we rode around in the boats. And I got a tutorial of, I got a boat out of this. Yeah. I got a new boat to learn how to use it. I think it's one of the greatest boats I've ever been in. So can't wait. I'm going to practice it tomorrow. Is it at your house? Well, this was the trade off. We met here to get the boat. I'm saying is the boat going to be at your house because I'm going to come look at it. It will be at your house. Oh, that's even a J has it. I don't even have to go in. Yeah, I'm excited about it. This is the stuff that excites us. Not as much as Jesus. And look, we've been studying first John for what a month. We started. Yeah. We started around the first of January for our recording. I feel like last night when I was reading this finally locked in something clicked. The light bulb came on. I've been struggling. So I'm just, well, we kind of took a diversion. Monday from our normal schedule because I had preached Sunday. And so we got into James one, which I'm glad we did that. That was fun for me. And then we were going to get into this on the second one, which was the last podcast. And I don't know. We chased some rabbit hole from. Oh, it was the question asked about the age of. Oh, the age. Well, the age, the present age, the age to kill. We're trying to wrap our head around the word eternal life. Right. The quality of life that God offers. And another thing I thought was interesting because I finally found a little bit of NT Wright stuff on first John. He didn't write a bunch about this. He wrote a little, but he had an interesting illustration, Jays, that I think is part of the reason we've had some struggle with the sort of literary layout of the letter that John wrote. And I liked his comparison. He said, you know, when you hear, when you're worshiping and you have a him, a lot of the older stuff, especially was kind of written as a, as a point, you know, whatever it may be. And he had an illustration of a him, but like amazing grace, or some, some song like that, it's just, it has a point of every verse that you sing. It adds to the point of what the writer of the song was trying to get across. He said, but in more modern contemporary worship is kind of more just a phrase or two repeated a bunch of times, because it's kind of like trying to get you into this thought of this word, whatever it may be. And that's true. That's, you know, a lot of the newer songs, less, I guess you'd say theology and maybe just a little more of a connection. And so he said, the reason he said, when I read first John, I have that feeling. He said, when I read a one of Paul's writings, it's like an old him. Everything is the next point to lead up to the big major thought. But when you read John, it's like he keeps repeating himself over and over and over. And he said, he's kind of like a contemporary worship song versus an old him. And I thought that clicked in my mind. I thought that's part of the reason he's very circular because he keeps kind of going back to the same theme and then he comes back again. That's true. But by way of review, I think, which is good. The reason this is hard to wrap your head around is because John is giving you a portrait of God becoming a man. And it was hard for him to wrap his head around it. And he was an out witness to this, which is why he starts off with his prologue. He's talking about the life of life, the life, the word of life, which is a strange phrase because in the beginning was the word and the word became flesh. So for me, it's God's communication in that he becomes a human think Hebrews 1 3. This is the way God is speaking through his son becoming a human in this life. And he changes kind of the personal pronoun to that and it, that which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we've touched. So he's making it so personal. Like we, it's not just we heard about this. We were with him. And he's like this, we proclaimed the word of life. The life appeared. We have seen it. We testified to it. And I noticed last night, he says this proclaim a couple of times when he says, and we proclaim to you, I mean, think how strong a word that is the eternal life, which was with the father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you. He says it again. I'm proclaiming. I'm shouting from the rooftops. What we have seen and heard so that you may also have fellowship with us and our fellowship is with the father and with his son, Jesus Christ. And we make this to make your joy complete. So when you go back to read in Jesus's prayer, John 17, and we brought this up last podcast in verse three, when he says, now this is eternal life. This is the age that I'm offering now and the age to come that they may know you, the only true God in Jesus Christ, whom you have sent, which is himself. And then it says, I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. So he's equating this claim of I was with the with the father before the world began. And now I've become flesh. I mean, that's why this is so heavy. How do you describe something like this? I mean, it's pretty, pretty difficult. So then he goes in. He's and I've said this all along. I think because he's writing this decades after it happened for him to be with Jesus and describe it, he's he's because there's obviously some credibility problems that have arisen about John about the witness and even about Jesus. And we backdrop that with this whole purpose of people saying that he didn't really come in flesh when he really did. And so there's a defense. I think that's one of the reasons why Jace, that word proclaim is is so powerfully used because he's defending what he knows to be true to people who now are questioning that it ever happened the way that they said it. So a lot of you guys know I got five kids, which means it costs a whole lot of money to get health insurance. Jace, if you looked at the price of health insurance this year, I have not, but I'm sure it's high. But I do know this. The Lord Jesus's health care plan is ultimately the best. Well, amen to that. That's why I love our partners at Christian Health Care Ministries. These guys are believers in Jesus. And so when they came along, I'm like, sign me up because I'm looking at double digit, sometimes triple digit increase increases in the cost of get my family health care, which is absolutely not doable for us. So for our family switch in the CHM, it wasn't just about saving money, although it did come in at about half the cost, which is awesome. But it also aligns with what we believe and it feels more like a community than a bureaucracy. So what we do is when we have medical bills, we submit them every month and then believers from all over the country pitch in. And then they also lift up your family in prayer, which is one of the things we really love about this program. In addition, we have way more flexibility so we can actually choose the doctors that we want to go to without having to go through some kind of middleman who doesn't know our health care needs or the people in our community. CHM members, they've already shared over $12 billion in medical bills together. So you know it's solid. And honestly, I should have done this years ago and stopped feeding money into just a broken system. It doesn't work. So ditch your traditional health insurance today and join CHM by visiting chministries.org slash unashamed at chministries.org slash unashamed chministries.org slash unashamed. So I wanted to read the back end of John 17. I don't think we've done this before, but when he gets to the end of the prayer in verse 22, he says, I have given them the glory. Now he's talking about the believers that they may be one as we are one. I and them, you and me, may they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. And then he says, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am and to see my glory, the glory you have given me. And here it comes again, because you love me before the creation of the world. And then that last verse of the prayer, he says, I have made you known to them and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me, which was before the creation of the world, may be in them and that I myself may be in them. So I read all that to say one more technical thing I'd like to do that I promised a few podcasts ago is when he says in verse three of first John one, that which we've seen and heard so that you may also have fellowship with us and our fellowship is with the father and with his son. He's going to say that two more times in verse six, if we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. And it's mentioned over seven. But if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another. So we're it's all coming from that prayer where he explained this. He's welcoming humans to participate in the most intimate way possible with him in us and us in each other through that bond of the spirit. And so that word when you look it up in in Greek, it's pronounced. So I wanted it's mentioned 19 times. Well, four of them is here, which is why I'm making a big deal for out of the 19. I just showed you. So I think it's interesting how it's used the first time it's used as an X to 42, which is why I think they translated it in English fellowship. And I brought this up before it's deeper than fellowship. Yeah. Thank participation. Thank partnership. Thank communion. Thank contribution. Yeah. And so acts two 42 says remember when it is when the first Christians, the first people or the that had been baptized, the 3000 dripping wet right off the bat. And then he sums it up Luke saying 42 they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching, which centered on Jesus. And to the fellowship. So it's translated fellowship again, this partnership, contribution, participation, communion to the breaking of bread and to prayer. So the next time is a contribution usage, which is Romans 1526. I'll read it real quick. It says for Macedonia and Ikea, we're pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem. So that's corn, corn in the up. But it's like we're in this together. It's a coming together in Jesus for work and reflection of who God is this and this union that we now have access to Christ in us, us in Christ kind of thinking. So the next time is first Corinthians one nine. Well, look at it in this text. It's about us in Jesus, this, this union. Yeah. It says verse eight, I'll start in verse eight. He will keep you strong to the end so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God who has called you into his fellowship with his son Jesus Christ our Lord is faithful. Yeah. So it's a deeper word is what I'm saying. Whatever that is the description of the word. Next is first Corinthians 10, 16. I think you'll like this one, Zach. I know what this one is. Oh, this is good. And we get Zach's take on this. So and look what he brings up verse 14, idolatry, which is the last verse of first John. He says, keep yourself away from idols. So it says, therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people. Judge for yourselves what I say is not the cup of Thanksgiving for which we give thanks. A participation in the blood of Christ. There's the word corn in the. So it's like when you take the supper, you're participating in an intimate way, fellow shipping with the blood of Christ. Yeah. And then it goes on to say, and is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ. Yeah. How intimate is that? Because there's one loaf and here's this many, we who are many are one body. We're all coming together in Jesus in an intimate way. We all per take of one loaf. And then he gives the opposite of the negative of this. Consider the people of Israel. Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar. Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifice of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And I do not want you to participate with demons, which this is going to make sense as we read because he's like, we want to welcome you into this fellowship. Get back to 1 John. This intimate cohabitation participation with God himself, he's including you into his eternal love. Well, then he's like, so if you claim to not have sin, well, you're making them out to lie, be a liar. Or if you claim to be walking in the light and you walk in darkness, this is not fitting. This is not working. And that's kind of his point on how intimate this is. Which shows you to the point that Paul was making here in the sense of idolatry is there is a coenia. There is this sort of intimacy with evil. And that's what you don't want. That was my whole point about the Seattle things that was that I said, people didn't make their plans to wind up sleeping on a city street, stoned out of their mind, eating out of the garbage. Exactly. Nobody's set out saying this will be a great way to end my life. What happened was there was a coenia with evil that got you into something that's now led you to a place where the people you're with and the people you're close to, you're in a tragic death spiral. Yeah. Well, that's the whole, it's a perfect lead up for what I want to say. The more you read what, where this word is used and how it's used and how, what's that got to do with me? God's getting closer and closer. He's not far away at all. He's so close. He knows your thoughts. He knows what you did yesterday, how many hairs you had on your head. And well, all of a sudden the reality hits you that hits you 24 seven that God is in you. Yes. He's using you. And so that's a perfect lead up to the next time this is used, which is said, Corinthians 614. This is the one Zach that I meant you're going to like. It says, do not be yoke together with unbelievers for what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Here we go. Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? Well, Paul's using the same illustration that John is used. What harmony is there between Christ and a demon? What does a believer having come with an unbeliever, what agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? Same thing for we are the temple of the living God. As God has said, I will live with them, walk with them, and I'll be their God and they will be my people. And so for years when I was walking with Christ, I thought this was a future event. Oh, well, God's going to separate us all at some point. But when you tie this in where it's using first John, he's writing them saying, you're that now. And you want to show them away. It's just like, I mean, we got people here in our community that have drug problems and they get out and commit crimes and we see it and you commit a crime here in West Monroe, whether you're on drugs or anything else, you're going to jail. The difference is instead of for us as the kingdom, as people who are having fellowship, coinea with the Holy Spirit and the father and the son is when they get out of jail here, they're there waiting for them and saying, hey, come on over here. We're working with our local city officials and our judges and say, come on over here to a little thing we call celebrate recovery. And we're going to help you get out of this lifestyle of drugs because the last thing we want to see is you out here on the side of Thomas Road, dad on a bicycle, because that's where your life led you. We want you to know something better. And so then we introduced them to the coinea of the Holy Spirit, which is what we're all about. And so that's how you're trying to be living your life. So if you're watching, I've got my leg hiked up on the desk here, which is one, pretty awesome that I can still do that. And two, you get to see my my Brunt Workwear Marin boots. These things are absolutely awesome. You can tell I've been wearing them. They're getting a little scuffed up. So I've been wearing these things and they're holding up just fine. Now that I've got my Brunt Workwear boots for, I guess, several months now, I got to tell you, these boots are legit. They are very comfortable. 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And I think what we're talking about here is much, it's much more about participation. So when you read what Peter says, he says that the divine power of God, his divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness. So that was the picture you were just painting the opposite of when you talked about the drug addict, you know, in the corner of the street, like literally death spiral, not that there's another promise, right? There's another God's given us divine power on things that pertain to life and godliness through the knowledge of him. There's your John 17 three passage through the knowledge of him to know him who called us to his own glory and excellence by which, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises so that through them, through the promises that he's granted to us, you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world because of its sinful desires. And so that's a picture that is a lot more powerful than, hey, there was a, that simply says there was a transaction and you guys are covered now. You're good to go. We're not, we're not good to go into our own autonomy. That's not Christ didn't save us from sin so that we could live this autonomous life on our own. That's humanism. And that is not the picture of the gospel, the picture of the gospel. That's the concept of utopia that never works out, by the way. Never works out. Yeah. You're never gonna, that's the thing. You're never gonna have life if you're disconnected from the source of life. And so what the picture of the gospel, yeah, we are saved from our sin. I mean, that is true. But again, we're saved into a participatory life with, with the triune God. And that's something that it's interesting. You'll never kind of get to the bottom of what that well is because God is infinitely, uh, he's infinite in his nature. And so you're just continuing into that infinite well of life giving water. All right. And look, the, I'm gonna skip the, there's, there's a couple of references in Secretary Corinthians nine 13, but we're another contribution context. What was that one? Secretary is nine 13, then Secretary is 13. 14. I'm going to read. Yeah. That's the, that's the end of the book, right? The last verse made the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, which is where we started with the prayer in John 17 and the fellowship, the Cornania of the Holy spirit be with you all. Same thing. Yeah. It's a communion. And like we talked about a couple of podcasts ago, Jay, is the last one. It's a, the word I use, it's a portal into the divine nature that site just mentioned. And every time I read that verse in second Corinthians 13, 14, the fellowship of the Holy spirit, I'm reminded of what Paul said in Romans eight 26, that when we pray, the Holy spirit literally communicates divine language for our earthly thoughts that we have a hard time expressing to such a wise, infinite God, but the Holy spirit helps us interpret that in our hearts and what we're trying to say to God. You just think about that. But what a, what an intimate fellowship that is. It makes me want to pray way more knowing that I have the Holy spirit interpreting my fumbling words to an almighty, infinite God. Exactly. Now, Glacians two is an interesting use of the passage because it's in a disagreement. And every time I've ever heard this first use, it was in a joke because Galatians two nine says James, Peter and John, after they had this disagreement, with Paul, those reputed to be pillars gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship. And I've always used a joke because it's like when we do great, when we disagree, I'm thinking, boy, I'd like to give him the right hand fellowship, which was the Smith line. He used to tell us that don't give them the right hander, but it made more sense to me when now I know what this word, because for the good of what was how God is using us to come together and the whole disagreement was over, you know, spending time, sharing with the Gentiles, because they're like, well, let's just stick with the Jews. And some of them are, you know, maybe had some prejudice tendencies and a disagreement broke out. And, but they gave them the right hand fellowship, like the almost to win the world here. And they came together and put their disagreements aside all because of this participation that they're. So we've joked that it's a negative, but it's a very much a positive. It is a positive. Right hand meaning your arm around somebody's shoulder, a handshake of, you know, whatever. Well, right. And so then Philippians uses it three times, which is awesome because it gives you a different view of this. Philippians one five says, I'll read verse four and all my prayers for all of you. I always pray with joy because of your, now here it's translated partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work and you will carry it on to completion, which is that's come up two or three times. So make your joy, make your love complete. I mean, God is partnering with human beings that he's redeemed to get the gospel out. I thought I was thick. It's incredible. Uh, chapter two, verse one, if you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship, cononia with the spirit, yeah, there it is again, just like sec Corinthians 13. I mean, you're communing with the Holy spirit of God as you're holding out the message of Jesus. Then he says, uh, make my joy complete verse two by being like mind and having the same love being one in spirit and purpose. There it is again, come together in this. And there's that idea of complete joy again that John keeps mentioning. Yeah. Yeah. And then it says, and what is the mantra there? Verse five, your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, which he's going to do that in first John when he says, whoever claims in him to live in him must walk as Jesus did. Yeah. And Jays just, we were doing, we're on our Hillsdale podcast. We're doing what, uh, uh, he CS Lewis talked about a V shaped, you know, path to conversion to Jesus. In other words, there's a descent and then there's a utter descent and then there's a rise or an ascent. And it's kind of a V shape the way people's lives are. And that's exactly what you get in the rest of that text with Jesus. He came here, but not only did he come here, he came here to give himself and to die for us. And then he takes off in a sense and sends the Holy spirit. But one of the things that hit me last night is when I read Philippians three 10, which is the third time he uses this word. It, I had an epiphany here and I want to share this verse 10 says, I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection. And here's our word and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, the intimate communion with suffering like Christ, because of this mission that we get to participate in through the Holy spirit, becoming like him in his death. And so somehow to attain to the resurrection of the dead, the epiphany I had was he starts off this prologue saying, let me, let me remind you about this life that we've seen. And we, because we always think as followers of Jesus, well, he tells us how to live. I think what we missed in Philippians three 10 speaks this. He also shares how you die in Christ, which is a beautiful thing. And look, I said, we see this all over the place. We, Monday after our podcast, we had quite the crew here who were family members of a son, their son who we prayed for before and has a brain tumor. And we sent a prayer for them to play for him in the hospital because he was undergoing all these surgeries. And then, but he's done well enough that they actually made a trip here. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they're all, they were on their way to have another surgery. And, uh, and look, it was heavy. It was a lot of tears and a lot of praying even while we were here. And, uh, but you know, I noticed with him, he just seemed so confident in his faith. He was the most confident. The actual kid, and I say, kid's a teenager, look like, uh, was so confident. And he was quoting verses. He, uh, somebody asked him what his favorite verse was. And he said Psalm 131, which I thought, well, that's a Psalm. He's like, it's three verses, which I read it later and, uh, brought tears to my eyes because it's, it's real confident about trusting in the Lord. 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And I think there was a reason you went through your James study is that it does show us that there's a way to die in Christ. And there's a way to face death. And it made me think even about the term fear in God, you know, when you fear God, you don't fear anything else. When you don't fear God, you fear everything. Yeah. And we're either we have this communion with the eternal life source or we don't either. That's a reality in our life. And I think you see that reflection when people are right at death's door or in this case, you're suffering for Christ. And so I think it's a it's a noble point to think not only does he teach us how to live, he teaches us how to die. And one thing is reenacted Jesus's death, burial resurrection, you know, in baptism, it's a it's a death. You remember when he said Romans six, well, we died and our life is now hidden in Christ, but it's also this physical death that we have that's going to happen. That's inevitable. That's just a glitch for people who are in Christ. Yeah. No, and I think that's such a valid point. I think it's the tagline for brave heart, but I'm not sure where I saw this, but I've always, it's always stuck with me. It says not every man dies, but not every man lives. And, and that was the tagline for a movie that was a good line because a guy gave his life for something he believed in for his freedom in that particular context. But I think about Charlie Kirk, the reason why it was such a stir was because a young man believed in a call so much and then literally gave his life for it. And that impacts people when you see that. Well, that's exactly what Christ did for us by him giving his life. Now we have something to, I love your point, to die in, to then live in. Yeah. I mean, and that's that's the beauty of this. You know, that's the, the, the course we're doing on CS, which I really have been, been enjoying that by the way, when it comes out, but it'll, uh, we've, Alan, I've been going through it. Now we're still in David and turn to release him, but, but this, if you guys that are listening, if you hadn't tried the Hillsdale one yet, you need to give it a shot because this is some really good stuff, both what we're doing now and also the next time I, you can, and you can sign up at a, it's free. It's a unashamedforhillsdoll.com. But what I love about what that story of Lewis that he talked about the way that he said, there, in all of his stories that he's written, uh, which are a lot. You know, there's, I mean, you get all the arneas stuff you've got. I mean, there's a ton of stuff. And so basically, yeah, there's a lot of good words. There's a lot of good books. So he, the, the, the, the, I guess architecture of the whole structure of his stories are there's a downward descent. So it's, it's, it's descend, descend lower and then rise up and rise up higher. Um, which is really the story of the gospel. I mean, it's like that picture of Romans six, you know, the way that talks about our own coming to Christ and conversion is that we're buried with Christ. We go down, right? Uh, we die with Christ in baptism, then we're resurrected. That's the up to live a new life. And that's the, the other part of the up. And so it's where I think this inter intersexual with Jason's Tom out is that this is the pain part is unavoidable. And it's part of actually the blessing is that we participate in the suffering of Christ. And, and when, when Louis, uh, Jason, when they, when he would, uh, he read a letter to somebody who had become a Christian recently and, and I'm probably going to butcher this, but the, but the letter basically said, congratulations and my condolences. Yeah. And he was hitting both sides of it. Like, yeah, this is great. You're in a new life now, but there's going to be part of you. This, this, this going down. He talks about, he framed it just what we're talking about today. He framed it as a bitter sweet. It's always a bitter sweet moment to come to Christ because something has to die for something to live. And that's the whole concept that Jesus is trying to teach us, you know, but look, that's, that's a bitter sweet moment, right? Because death is not our friend. I mean, and, and when we went through what we went through a couple of days ago with a family, it's hard for us cause we know it's hard for them because everybody around that young man is, is having that pain as well. It's just like we talked about in James one, you have pain that hurts, but also pain alters. It changes us. It helps us endure. Well, even the last Bible study I had with a brother, a new brother and, uh, me, he, he, he called me and drove hours, you know, and we got to see a new birth happen. You're like, well, this is great. Right on man's life has completely transformed and he's, he's really growing in the Lord. But the last time he was here and I talked to him about a week ago, well, he started giving me the details of his conversion. And, uh, I wasn't aware. He was like just a couple of nights before he made that trip to put on Jesus. He was thinking about suicide. Yeah. And, uh, you know, it's just the whole, his whole world was crashing through him. And, you know, randomly, randomly, I'm putting that in quotations. His, he was sitting in his car, you know, alone, had his gun and his daughter sends him a text and then his son sent him a text, which, which is what made him think, what am I doing? And, uh, so then he's just like searching for an answer. And, uh, we had already kind of made contact in a way. And it's like, maybe I just need to listen to what, what they have to say. But the whole reason for him telling me those details is cause he said, I realized at some point, once I heard the story of Jesus in a real way at the bottom of my barrel, I thought, well, I was looking for a way to die. And I found it. Yeah. In Jesus. That's right. It's like, instead of, instead of there being grief, deep sorrow, no way to explain how this happened, you know, his family, instead they can now rejoice because they see like a phoenix rise up. Yeah. That's actually your point of the V. Now you get to see something above and beyond and someone that you can't even hardly recognize because of what God can do. And even though they found out they got a terrible disease, they rise even above that. It's, it's really incredible. It's amazing. Yeah. Well, I want to do these last two because we're almost out of time. So Philemon verse six, which my translation says, you know, I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith, but the, the verse, I think should be translated. What is your Philemon six says, uh, so that the fellowship of the faith of you may be effective and might result in you understanding every good thing we have in Christ. So you see what he's saying? Yeah. It's like, if you realize what you're a part of, you'll understand every good thing you have in Christ, which I think is great. And then, uh, the last one before we get to where she's four times in first John is Hebrews 13, 16. And I want to read that one because it's a good one. And this outside the camp thing. Yep. It's outside the camp. It says, uh, verse 12 says, oh, and so Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. Let us then go to him, which is a lot like the Philippians three 10. We go to him to suffer out, outside the camp, out in the world, bearing the disgrace he bore for here, we did not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come through Jesus. Therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise, the fruit of lips that confess his name. And then here's where the corn in the eye comes in and do not forget to do good. And to share corn in the eye with others for which such sacrifices. God is pleased. And now we're right back to where we started in Jesus's prayer. He's like, I want to share with humans this love we had from the beginning with them, me and them, them and me and them being our spokespeople and mouthpieces. And my love is that that's why we don't retreat to a mountaintop somewhere and stay there and just keep it to ourselves. But we go outside the city walls to tell anybody because we want them to have an understanding of this, which is a beautiful site. All right. Right. At a time we will coin here and get back with the next time. I'm not ashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by leaving a rating and review on Apple podcast. 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