Tiger Woods arrested for DUI again after rollover car crash

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PJ Clark in DC lost last night. But good luck. Final four. Do you see they are limiting alcohol sales in Champaign County? Really? Tonight. They're worried about destruction. Because it's a Saturday. It's an early-ish start. Kids are in school. Worry about what could happen to Green Street if the line I win. Go to their first Final Four since I was a freshman in college. So, they're out of shape. They haven't partied over football in a long time. So, they don't know how to behave. I would say that we've never in the modern era partied over football. That's the voice of Kevin VanValkenburg. He's joining us on this Saturday. Here's the plan. We're going to talk about Tiger Woods getting arrested for DUI. React to it. The media coverage. Any future implications. Golf. Not really the priority there. But his involvement with the PGA Tour. Will he show it? The Masters. What's the plan for that? A week. Let alone to play. But ceremonial or otherwise. So, that's what we're going to talk about today. Monday, we have a live show at 9am. We will talk about the Houston Open. Golf Matters. Golf subjects for that. Maybe some follow-up on whatever happens with Tiger. But it was a notable Friday evening afternoon development in South Florida. And thought we would address it now. Joined by Kevin as well. This will be brief. This will be brief. The Tiger News always seems to come on Friday afternoon. Is he going to play in a tournament or not? Or in this case, a DUI? Yeah, I went to dinner. My wife went ahead to dinner with our kids last night. I was like, this is sort of like the old days. I was usually standing over the grill at 5.30. Well, on a Friday, when we would get this sort of news. When I was a young blog boy. She was like, what are you doing? This used to be our life. Like every week. Friday afternoon, when we were younger. So, it was a throwback to that. This was much more serious, I would say. Is he entering a tournament or not? We learned, I think around 4.30 or so yesterday, that he was in an accident in Jupiter Island. That he was involved in a rollover crash, which immediately prompted questions to me. Rollover crash in Jupiter Island are incongruous. That is a small Tony enclave on the coast of South Florida with, I would believe, a street that does not have a speed limit over 30. Maybe 25. Incredibly wealthy kind of fancy area that is very residential. There aren't sharp turns. There aren't 75 mile an hour highway exits or anything like that. I would characterize the roads on Jupiter Island as dead flat, dead straight, and very residential. You hear rollover crash and it just feels incomprehensible. Obviously, Tiger Woods has been involved in vehicular incidents. He was arrested for a DUI in 2017. He obviously struck a fire hydrant in 2009 in his former residential neighborhood. This is twice now. He's been involved in accidents in his own neighborhood. In 2009, obviously, that was a stepping from the domestic instinct, but he was found to be showing signs of impairment there. In 2017, he got the DUI in South Florida. In 2021, of course, he was involved in a single car accident where his vehicle swerved across the median and he nearly died, nearly lost his leg. In 2021, that was in February in Southern California around the Genesis Invitational. They did not take a blood test or anything, so it was not officially confirmed that he was impaired or under the influence of anything in that incident, but a single car crash. You hear rollover crash and you assume a lot of things. Your mind starts racing. It doesn't all add up. Then at 5 p.m., we also hear just for the facts, no injuries. Someone refused medical care, someone was in stable condition, and that was it. Apparently, he was trying to overtake a power washer, like a vehicle that had a trailer. It's like this big tub of water. It overtook it at high speed, hit it, and rolled over. No injuries. At 5 o'clock, the sheriff of Martin County speaks to us and says he's arrested. He's under arrest for DUI. He exemplified signs of impairment, took a breathalyzer, blew a 0-0, so not alcohol, refused a urine test, did not take the piss test. The cops assessed that he was impaired, showed signs of impairments, arrested him for DUI, was released last night close to midnight. I think those are the facts or the basic outline of what happened. Anything substantive I should add further, fellas? No? No? I think that's correct. I think that covers it. I think to learn he was arrested for DUI was not shocking based on the specifics of this incident and based on his history, quite frankly, visible signs that maybe he has a problem. There's a responsibility not to share stories you might hear, not to jump to conclusions, but the guy has been through a lot of surgery, a lot of injury, and has in the past been arrested for DUI and has been on significant prescriptions, both for injuries and otherwise. To learn he was arrested for DUI was not a surprise. Yeah, and in 2017, if I'm not mistaken, the reason for the DUI, you blew 0-0 there. I mistook pills. That was kind of the excuse. I anticipate we're going to get a similar statement about his body and what he has to do to get it ready. I guess I'm at the point and I'm sure I think this was pretty resounding. When you're a tiger, when you're this high profile, when you're a billionaire, when you're a role model, whether you ask for it or not, it's kind of unfair that you are a role model, but whether you don't ask for it, but when you've achieved what he's achieved in the sport, you become a role model and you become someone that people look to. In this case, there's no reason for him to be behind the wheel if he's still struggling with pain from injuries or if he's struggling with other things that lead him to be impaired behind the wheel. This is a person that can afford the world's greatest driver as his driver. There's no reason for him, for his team, for the people around him to allow him to get behind the wheel anymore. It shouldn't have been behind the wheel yesterday, it seems. Having been on those roads, I just don't understand any realm of the possibility as to why you'd be overtaking a landscaping vehicle, what it sounds like a landscaping vehicle with a power washer on a trailer in the back, why you'd be overtaking that at high speeds that could induce a rollover. I think it's just at this point, there has to be some sort of, I guess, acknowledgement of what's happened and how we're going to move forward, not where, how Tiger will move forward, because it seems to me that there is an issue and you don't want to speculate on anything, but when he goes on TV, to me, we don't know what we're getting necessarily. He doesn't physically look right when you look at him on television. I think it's hard to approach this as golf because he's been propped up as the Messiah, but everybody has issues that they have to deal with and that's kind of a part of life. I think it's time for us to actually talk about issues and he shouldn't be behind the wheel. You're using some pronouns there of we and it's on Tiger. I think, is there a they? Who's around him and do they have any power to say don't drive? Kevin, you probably have some thoughts on that. Is the group around him, everybody says get a driver. Is someone in position to tell him you need a driver or to stop him from driving right now? Andy, you talk about him being on TV. He's on TV because of the TGL. Let's just put it that way. TGL is going to squeeze every drop they can out of him and this is part of the problem. Those are the people, many of the people around him, squeezing the drops out of them. They got their highest ratings, second highest area ratings this week, because Tiger was there. Who are those people? Are they people trying to squeeze every drop out of them? This is not to take agency out of Tiger. This is not to fully blame the people around him, but they are deserving of some blame. But he's on TV, he doesn't look right. He hasn't looked right. There's a sort of, I mentioned this in September when he was hitting balls. There is a like Joe Biden at the end of his presidency element here, in my opinion. I think there's people around him that won't confront him about his issues, won't confront him about maybe it's time that there's a problem. The media won't ask these questions because it's Tiger Woods, it's a person of a prominent authority. It's a person who's generally quite frankly respected and revered for his work. There is an element of whether it's the tour, whether it's always so instrumental. He's a leader, he's a voice, whether it's people around him, people at the tour, people in golf media. There is an element of deference that has gone too far. So, Tev, I mean, jump in here. I know you have some thoughts on the people around him and this, quite frankly, pattern. This pattern of what appears to be an addiction appears. Yeah. The first thing I would say is that your right to privacy ends where the public road begins. And you can feel empathy for someone who is suffering and in pain or might be dealing with, you know, I think it's fair to say addictions. I mean, he went to rehab once for pain addiction or pain pill addiction and also be really disappointed. Like, there's nothing wrong with being like, I'm pissed about the way that you continue to behave. You know, and you could just limit that just to putting yourself behind the wheel and driving at excessive speeds. You know, this is the third major car crash that could have endangered, you know, others. Can I just quickly add, Andy talked about how fast he was going in LA. He was in the upper 80s and like a 45 when he got an accident. It just at so and never once hit the brakes on that, you know, probably, you know, sat at a stoplight for eight seconds or six to eight seconds before. They were going to green light right before. So he was either on his phone or not paying attention or fell asleep or whatever in the previous accident. We don't know what happened in this. You know, I'm assuming someone will come out. It's really hard to win a DWI prosecution if someone doesn't agree to a urine test, especially if they blow zero zero. So we'll probably never know kind of what exactly happened here. I think Andy's correct. We'll probably get some sort of explanation of, you know, this was a mistake here and that. But I think you talked about everyone. I've seen a lot of this stuff of he just needs to get a driver. He needs to get a driver. I think in some ways, obviously that's true, but it fundamentally misunderstands who Tiger is. He absolutely will never see that control to someone else because he doesn't like to seed control in anything in his life. And there is no one in his life who can tell him that except maybe his kids. He was not going to listen to all the people that he employs who are going to tell him like, hey, man, like, let's just get you a full time driver. He likes being behind the wheel. He likes having that alpha mentality of I get to control wherever I go and no one else is going to control me because a lot of his life was kind of controlled. And so that's in some ways represents freedom to him. And I just think that it is really disappointing that at this point he cannot see that he continues to endanger other people. In fact, been really lucky that he hasn't hurt someone else in a very serious way. Really, really lucky. Really lucky. I love my kids watch Fort Center Saturday morning and this came up. It was on Sports Center with Mark Slaybaugh, Hannah Storm and my 13 year old. He's 13. He's like, seen this before now? He says, how has he not died yet? My 13 year old said that. My 10 year old respond because because he's Tiger Woods. Well, that's like kind of, I think maybe the mindset Tiger has and the people have around. I was like, God, 13 and 10 year olds are just like making bagels for him. I'm listening like that's kind of the whole deal. How has he not died yet? Because he's Tiger Woods. It's this sort of completely baseless because he's Tiger Woods is the response like, wow, they're breaking it down for me. It feels like, but that's the problem. That's the problem. He's really, he's really lucky. Is it getting to the point where, you know, his kids have to say something or someone gets really hurt himself? Like he's really lucky himself or someone else hasn't. Look, we just got done with an Olympics where like one of the defining images was a guy's kids on the ice because someone decided to drive impaired. I'm not, you know, I'm not connecting that directly to Tiger, but there are consequences when people decide to do this. And he's incredibly lucky, quite frankly. And is this going to persist until that? That's the decision, that's the decision point. That's, is that what stops it? Like a grievous injury to someone or himself? I think, yeah, I mean, it's a great question. And obviously we're never going to know until, you know, it's kind of up to him at this point. Also up to, you know, what happens with this case, like whether he gets his license revoked. But like, I think you guys hit on, you know, one of the issues and, you know, it's like you could talk about people around around him. But like, you know, one of the fascinating things about fame and power and in sports or any industry is like the way that your relationships shift. The way that, you know, and when you get to the level of Tiger Woods, you know, obviously he has his kids. He has his ex-wife. But like for the most part, everybody around you, all they're doing is asking you for things. That's all that the basis of your relationships become, you know, and this could sound hollow, but it's the truth is like the basis of many of these athletes' relationships is people asking them for something, sucking them kind of dry of like, hey, like, yeah, I'm doing this, but like, this is my long-term plan that this person doesn't know, you know, I'm getting close to them. With Tiger, like a golf, he has been to me in a way like suck dry by the sport of golf. Everything has been, you know, he has, he is the sport and so much of the success can be tied back to, you know, his incredible career. But for the last, you know, 10 years where he's been a semi-competitive golfer, like the stories are always, hey, when's Tiger coming back and what's he going to do so on and so forth to the point where like, you know, part of this is like it kind of has glazed over some of the things that he's dealing with his life. The injuries, the constant injuries, the constant surgeries that like, there hasn't been time for like recovery, it's always like, what's he going to do next and this idea of like that versus actually addressing some of the issues. Yeah, I think that's like the bigger issue here is that he has to address his personal issues and golf needs to take itself out of like putting stuff on him, expectations on him until he's able to address his issues. And hopefully like, listen, like he's, he inspired me, he inspired me as a kid to get into golf and I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing without him. Like, I think the best thing that could happen is if Tiger Woods become an icon for, you know, and really like an example and like someone who really pushes like safe driving as his next chapter, like be the best person for safe driving and knowing when not to get behind the wheel of the car at this point, because like, I don't care anymore that what he does in golf at this point until he fixes his own issues. That's the thing like we love Tiger because he was a golfing God. The golf is gone now. I'm sorry. Like, okay, he's gonna, in which what enrages me, like what are we worshiping? Like, what are we like, what are we glazing? What are we propping up at this point? We should worship like what he's done in the game of golf. I mean, golf has a Tiger Woods addiction. Like we were talking about addiction, like golf cannot let go of Tiger as like this thing that we kind of keep holding up. I mean, we have, you look at some of the reaction yesterday that it was a lot of it was jokes. A lot of it was like, you know, I was just happening. Whoa, what? Like, I can't believe this. Like, what do you mean you can't believe it? Your eyes and your eyes. You know, you talk about the things you watch him publicly appear and how variable his his just boy the way he speaks. The way he slurs when he speaks. Let's let's get put it out there because I think that's a fair thing to comment on is like, oftentimes when he is on camera and this dates truly back to the Ryder Cup in France, when I was there, he was when he would talk sometimes he was like he was slurring his words. And you could tell that something's wrong. He literally fell asleep in the in the press conference after the Ryder Cup. And I think Brendan, you're make a really good point is the era of like, just kind of like cringing and talking about this stuff behind the scenes is probably like really reminiscent of the Biden stuff. It's like everybody just doesn't want to touch it because you know, someone probably needs to start being honest about some of this stuff. Yeah, because there's deference from the tour people because he's a God and he means so much and there's deference from the media for the same reasons. I so like, look, there's a ton of empathy here for his like addiction or problem or whatever you want to define it, right? That affects all of us. Someone we know in one way or another, like there's a lot of empathy there. And you can see how he that could happen with all the injuries. Obviously, you made the point when he gets behind the wheel that's it. There's no empathy for that. There's no issue. There's there's only criticism critique and scored. And I think like what we saw in reaction was like a lot of like, you know, how is this happening and also sort of over the top, like, there's a gray area here, right? There's empathy and there's absolute scorn and critique. I got like really mad and so there's those are two emotions that I got really mad at the people around him, which I don't know if they have any power, but his agent, brand ambassadors, friends and family, whoever you would define them as. Anyone in golf that like lets him TGL like I was like this bullshit league that has him, you know, trotting him out there and like he clearly has an issue and like that's not where he should be like, oh, I was just mad at like the people around him. I don't know if that's fair that like what I mean, how much blame do you like the feet of the people around? I mean, there's some but also I think we need to kind of remember that like Tiger has cut out every single person in his life who has ever sort of dared speak against him, you know, there's a sort of a royal family quality to it is like, you know, as soon as Bush Harmon was time for him to go, it was time for him to go as soon as you know, his first agent was like, you're gone, the various friends Marco Mayor got cut off for years after, you know, daring to speak out of turn like it just. I think there's a general culture of fear around him if you're his friend that you shouldn't dare speak in some way that might, you know, offend him he's he'll he his relationships with various other trooper was kind of ebb and flow based on like, whether they're deference to him or whether they're you know playing really good and somehow kind of like overshadowing him at certain points in his career. And so I do think like there's some pride involved of like how much do you want to sort of enable this behavior long term, but also like Tiger, it's very difficult for him to have normal relationships with people where he doesn't hold all the power, you know, and that's a situation that's kind of discouraging but it's one that happens with famous people right. Famous people can cut you off at any point that they want, because they hold all the power. And so I think it's very hard. I have a little bit empathetic towards some of the people who probably have wanted to get him help at certain points in his life, or the very least say hey like I'll take the wheel like I'll drive us to such and such place, because he's just going to say no like screw you I'll get somebody else to fill your position you're meaningless to me. I think like just something that's important to just point out with with addiction is it's impossible to help somebody that doesn't admit to themselves that there is an issue. You know it's impossible to you know like you're nothing's going to change until the person who's who's having the issues. Emits to themselves that there is an issue and like that is something that I wonder like, yeah you could you could get mad at people around them you can, but like until you're in the situation of like having to, you know, it's it's it's a super frustrating and difficult aspect of anybody that's dealt with with, you know, love one that's had addiction issues is that is that, like you see the problem you can see like how they need to do something you see what what it's doing to them personally but sometimes like many times in many cases, if that person doesn't believe that there is a problem, you're kind of like there's nothing not a lot you can do. And that's like the hard thing and I would say like the the situation here is like, I just, I don't want him getting behind the wheel ever again like he can do. Listen, it's his life and he can, he can go about it in any way but like we can't we like we as a society can't have, you know, people that are are constantly endangering people around them getting behind the wheel of car. You know, that's as you said, Kevin, like what he does with his private life is private until you get behind the wheel of a car and that's the real issue above anything here but like with with regards to addiction and rehabilitation, it all starts with the with the subject acknowledging there's an issue and I'm not sure that that we're there. Yeah, I mean, like, think about how many rounds of sort of pretty embarrassing like mugshots and photos and like and it's just it happening again like the pictures of him slumped or hiding in the escalate as it drives out are really, really depressing and does that change your behavior it didn't change it the last time and the time after that and the time after that. And like so it's almost lost his leg. Right. Right. He should not be allowed to drive is that do we get to that point where he's not allowed to drive I saw someone I chuckled initially like, should he be allowed to drive a card on the champion store I was like I chuckled to that like, and honestly, then I had to think about like should he not be allowed to drive I don't know what you take the control what amount of control you take away from him. And as Kevin said he's not willing to like see it because he's tiger effing woods. You know, we he was wearing golf clothes when he got out of this car there to make the phone call. You know, I think it's fair to say that maybe he was practicing somewhere trying to get ready for the Masters. I just wish for his sake that he could find the next stage in his life that would fulfill him the way the competition and golf did. Maybe, you know, that's far beyond for me to say like, you know, take the thing that you're most passionate about in your life and just put it on the shelf. But, you know, there, Andy, I think you kind of touched something like there's a reckoning that needs to probably happen that like that time has come and gone. And like the part of tiger that is kind of always liked the pain like kind of related to his dad is like a Navy seal and you know, thought like I'm, I'm connecting to my father somehow by putting myself through the same. And I think that's the strain of the struggle of this hobbling up the 18th at Augusta like this is bro, you need you need to kind of address some of those issues and in therapy and just a way to kind of move forward with your life because you you owe it to the people who love you to to figure this next party life out. It's a long life to live. And I think when you when he turned 50, I wrote about that like instead of like constantly like looking backwards about all tiger did like, it would be nice if we could look forward. And be like, man, you could build some really great golf courses. You could shape the future of the PGA tour. You could be around for your son's golf career, which could be really good. And you're putting all that at risk because your ego will not let you hand the keys to somebody else. Even if you never want to deal with whatever it is that's going on, you could owe it to your family and to the other people on the road to basically say like I've lost the privilege to drive myself around like this. I think a part of what what has to change and I don't know that it will is how we cover this. I think like talking like the Biden comp, there was like, there's a deference that that that bled into sort of detached detached from reality almost negligence or irresponsibility, I guess would probably be the word irresponsible. Like there it's good to be you should be you should defer to someone who's this prominent and she felt this thing in a way, right? He's he's he's an icon, but it just it became detached from eyes and ears and the reality of the record. And like that's something I've struggled with. Like I think it frames how I view tiger. I'm not going to like I watched the golf channel after the press conference and they were like this came out of nowhere. I'm so shocked. I'm so surprised with some of the commentary and that's just not accurate. And I think like I will hear stories about how he was, you know, incoherent here or seemed out of it there or, you know, he was zonked at some, you know, the TGL or TGR sort of learning lab opening and Philly like, but I don't like like, what good does it do passing that along, right? That's pointless to talk about that clearly has an issue. I think it frames how you how much deference you give, right? I think is how Hive approached that. And I think I don't want to like get this into a media discussion, but there is a responsibility and I don't know if golf media is equipped or even just the modern media environments equipped on how we talk about tiger. There there has to be some sort of realistic framing and viewing of who he is and his struggles. Instead of just, oh my God, the FCC would not exist without tiger in the future of golf. Like, we know that's not the case. We know that's not the case, but the way they talk about it on television and at the tour is quite frankly detached from reality and the biggest laughable PR. I remember being once at a U.S. Open Press Conference, Brendan, and a radio person said, this was the question that he asked. This is an opportunity to ask questions that people said, you know, we're all here because of you. And we just want to thank you for a minute. Thank you for everything that you've done. And I thought there isn't like there's some truth to that. There's a lot of truth to that. But what an embarrassing way to sort of behave in a media press conference, you know, to sort of completely sort of grant like, oh, you can behave how and ever which way you want because none of us would have to do that. And I think there's a lot of people who think that way, sadly, and that is part of what leads to this deference of like, well, he can behave whatever he wants because he's brought us so much good into the world. You know, like, again, your privacy ends where the public road begins. So like, you don't want to deal with these issues. That's fine. But don't drive past my kids' school. And frankly, like for golf, the FCC, you know, like, it seems to be a big issue in his life. And like, I don't think that's necessarily great for the FCC. You know, you future competitions committee just to declare this is a golf. If you if you put your shoes, your feet in like being in a like, you're running a running a company or running a team and having someone on your staff that's having, you know, like, just doesn't show up the same way every day because of, you know, issues that they're dealing with, whether it's, you know, whatever it may be, like, you have a talk and you you generally take responsibility off people's plates when they're dealing with stuff like this. And I think it's time time for golf to kind of take. And I don't want to sound holier than that. But like, it's time for golf to to acknowledge and take responsibility off of Tigers plate because like, whether or not he asked for it, whether or not he volunteered to do these things. All of this is contributing to his own personal issues right now. And it's kind of one of those things where the where the deck has to be cleared and golf has to say, hey, we're we can't wait for you to come back when you're ready to come back, you know, versus like, you know, the TGL, the like, oh, he's going to play anybody that watched a TGL broadcast in this this year. Like, if you watch Tiger, it was like clear that, you know, he was his wasn't all there. The way he showed up was so variable week to week. Yeah. Yeah. But but that's not what you'll hear. Like, oh, the man is in the building. Like, that's like, I there's got to be some balance there. And I do you think it changes? Do you think like, for both of you, do you think golf starts to ask less of him? Or do you think the media coverage becomes or at least just that the internal tour of you or the media view becomes any more realistic? I think this incident has shifted people's willingness to say the stuff they've been thinking out loud for a long time. This crash, this rollover where it happened is insanely egregious. Could have been a lot worse. I was I was joking. I don't know if I should even share this, but I was joking with with my family last night that if you got me super super lubed up and said, tell me one place that you can drive to get home. This would probably be the place that I would choose. Like, this is this crash to me is like the most egregious crash you could possibly have. In the sense of like knowing the solid could happen. Yeah. Like inconceivable. Like, if you place somebody there with a car, I don't know if they could roll it over. Right. You clip the clip the trailer and flip. Yeah. Go trying to go a high speed and pass. So anyways, I just I think the level of this one has I think that change in the Tiger discourse has has happened because of the level of, you know, it's kind of a don't pee on me and tell me it's a reigning situation. Do you think it's changed? I thought some of the reaction yesterday was embarrassed. Yeah, but I think people called out how embarrassing. Yeah, it was. So the coverage, you know, Sure. Kev, Kev, you think it'll change going forward? You think we'll ask less of him? Golf will. I have my doubts about that based on the the capitalistic and, you know, impulses that he bring that that he can provide. And you think media will will start to reveal this with more realistic lines? I don't know. I mean, I did say something recently on the Friday pot about how the the juice isn't quite there as much as it once was like the the stories don't go like they once did, you know, the interest isn't quite as, you know, spicy in terms of like whether he's going to come back, you know, I think I even said, Andy, that we're talking last week, like I don't kind of care if he plays the kind of want that storyline to sort of us to move on from it. There is a lot of people, I think maybe what we're looking at that from the golf media perspective and part of what Tiger has always done is appeal to a much larger lens of people. And so you have a lot of the people who don't follow golf week to week who couldn't tell you any players in the field besides Tiger or Rory, who this is all that they ever want is like, what's Tiger doing? Like there's a reason that like there was a golf count Tiger tracker created and why every they used to always put his name on the crawl at the bottom of things, no matter what place he was in. Like there are people for whom golf only is Tiger Woods. And so I don't know that that is going to change. I think it would be wise if I were Brian Rolop, I would say like, I don't know that like this is the person who I want shaping my future as a major sport. Like, and is he going to be offended by that? Maybe, but let him, you know, I don't know, it could lead to sort of a internal sort of civil war within the tour about like who you stand with here. If Commissioner, the new CEO is like, you're not going to be involved in some of this stuff until you get your life cleaned up. But that's kind of the NFL mentality. I also like the that's something that could provoke change in Tiger's life. Yeah. It's like actually one of the few places I think that has the infrastructure, the stability and the power that that could say we're we're okay. We've been okay. Like we're okay at this point with we don't need your help. Yeah, like would we we love Tiger Woods operating at full capacity to help. But like, let's be clear. Let's be honest with the whole situation. And that's where also like what's I think weird about the whole thing. And maybe it's true. Maybe Tiger has been like huge help to this. But like, Brian Rolep just did a press conference a month ago where he praised all of the all of the things that Tiger's brought to the whole process. Yeah. He's I think he's probably a bridge to the players who have a high amount of skepticism. But like how much mean what about like he's no longer I don't know. Sort of the the the the stature diminishes with each of these kind of embarrassing events, right? I think if you're like a 25 year old golfer like a lot of Tiger is just some of this this kind of stuff that happened that the rest and the sort of even the manyest moments. I like I did not when it first happened we talked. I was like, is this a huge deal? Like you're talking about the golf media versus the larger like landscape. This is I was like, no, I don't think this like yeah, of course he crashed his car. Of course it's Tiger Woods. He crashes his car like is he dead? Then it's a big deal. Is he like as soon as he said no injury like no, not a big deal. And then I saw like, it was like Dave Portnoy tweet like this is the biggest story in sports. And then like started to hit me like, oh, this is like us and CNN and all the like becomes a big deal. For me being so deep in the golf space, it was like, yeah, Tiger crashed his car as long as nobody's hurt. This is kind of what happens. And I'm not saying I'm accepting of it, but I just didn't think it was like, you know, Tiger or Scottie Sheffler breaks his leg to me and golf. That would be an immediate big deal. But of course this is a much larger national news story. That was my initial reaction yesterday. I just the part of what you talk about like is the media has evolved so much in the last 20 years as it always does. But like where, you know, a lot of the people who hold the power don't have a journalism background and they came to this because they're fans. And so they're projecting on the way their fan would. And I don't know, you know, I don't know how to reckon with that exactly because the fan is always going to come out. It's always going to come at it from a biased perspective. That's the nature of being a fan. And I just, I kind of just discouraged by the whole thing in general. Like I just wish that he could be honest with himself and that we could be honest that, you know, the golf era is kind of over and it would be sort of behoove everyone to, I mean, I think, Brennan, to your point, I've always kind of wondered how much like the powers of the bee within golf, this sort of would include the PGA tour, is kind of using Tiger's reputation to burn or stir, like burnish their own credibility. Like this isn't someone who is like a genius business person, like he's really good at hitting the six iron. It doesn't mean he was like super great at like building a business. Like we saw that with Jack Nicholas who, you know, get a disaster as a businessman. And so I just don't know, a disaster is going to do far, but like has really screwed up a lot of business things over the course of his life. And so I don't know that like this idea that just because Tiger was so great at golf means he's like really smart at shaping the future of the PGA tour. And there could come a time where the PGA tour is like, dude, like your reputation ain't what it once was. Like we kind of don't really want to take your advice on some of this stuff. That's what I don't get. Like what are we worshiping? Like worship the highlights, the archives. Like the golfing God that we love. Like what are, I don't get these sort of the hagiography of like the current Tiger. Like what, like it's, it's weird, but it certainly is out there. I mean, that's the other thing we haven't even talked about some of the other stuff that's happened in his life other than the driving issues. You know, it's to a certain extent, it might just be time to, to move on until like, listen, I think you almost have to move on. You almost have to move on in order to allow him the time to, you know, address the things in his life that need addressing and come out of it. That, that's the thing with Tiger is like, it could be an amazing redemption story and he could stand for so many things that could make positive impact and change. And, and, and I guess like actually the place that we need that we as a society probably need him the least is, is figuring out the new PGA tour structure. And can he make the cut at the Masters? So it is like, that's the thing with, with fame and, and incredible success is that you have the ability to, to be someone that can, you know, institute and, and, and just stand for so much more than just what happens on a golf course or what happens with golf going forward. And that's what I would, I would be, you know, in my humble thing is like, this is the time where we should allow Tiger to, to address his issues and come out and potentially be, you know, be someone that we can idolize for other reasons than the way he hits a golf ball. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. We're recording this on Saturday morning. You know, people are gonna be like, what's next? When do we see him again? Look, he's supposed to do the ceremonial like opening of the patch, the loop thing in a week almost like just over a week in Augusta. There was speculation he was going to play the part three with Charlie and, you know, Sam Caddy. And I, I, I don't know. I would imagine that's off the table. I don't know how we, how we, how the behavior changes, how the view of inframing of him changes. I was reading Billy Payne's 2010 press conference. I don't think we're going to have like incredible lens into what happened when he came back from the sex scandal and how that he would like, they admonished the hell out of like pain went hard and that would not happen today, quite frankly. So I don't know if we'll see him at the master. I think there's going to be a lot of speculation. I see like there's articles already trying to juice like, will we see him at Sayota for the U.S. Senior Open before he got an accident? He registered for that. Like, I don't really care about that stuff. But there's a realm where he's at Augusta. I don't know. I don't know. In a week. I think Tiger's achieved a certain level of fame to where there are a certain sect of people for whom he could, there is nothing that he could do that could lose them. Like he could have run over a bunch of people in this and there would still be people would be like, I still want him to see golf, play golf. I don't care. I don't care about those people that care about Tiger. And I think that that's kind of a gross reflection of how we treat fame in our world. But I think that's really like a reality. And I don't know how to wrestle with that, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Another Tiger Woods incident, another Tiger Woods arrest, I just thought we'd get, we would record podcasts separate and apart from the usual Monday. Anything else you guys want to add or share before we move on? We'll get back with you guys on Monday. The more regularly scheduled programming. We'll follow up with one of this story if anything further comes out. But kind of felt like a responsibility to talk about it and understand like how we view and frame this story. So appreciate you guys listening to Shotgun Start. Kevin, thanks for joining us, Andy. We will talk to you on Monday. Good luck. Tiro Lai and I tonight. We will, I don't know, we got to figure out if you're going to Indianapolis via Augusta, how we're going to do, hopefully that'll be a happy problem to solve maybe after tonight. We'll figure it out. Enjoy. Good luck tonight. We'll talk to you guys on Monday morning. Live Shotgun Start.