Welcome back to Breaking Balls National Edition. So we got a couple of things planned here this week to address. Starting with ownership in Major League Sports, specifically in Boston and New York, and what those teams, how those teams now approach their operations versus how they might have done it even, let's call it 20 years ago, less than 20 years ago, somewhere in that range. Because I think there have been dramatic changes. Mike Focaro, The New York Post, will join us to talk about the Yankees and their evolution as it relates to ownership. He just had a book recently come out about the Steinbrenner years, focusing primarily on George Steinbrenner, but as well as his sons, one of whom now is the, you know, primarily runs the team, at least above Brian Cashman, the general manager. And I also want to get to what I thought was kind of an interesting story regarding one of the surprising statistics in Major League Baseball here in the early part of the year. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to start with Mike Focaro, who recently wrote a book called The Bosses of the Bronx, focusing on the Steinbrenner family. And the impetus, you'll hear this from Mike here in a minute, his impetus for writing the book was that there are a lot of young people who don't understand what the Yankees were like under George Steinbrenner and to give you some idea of how that has all changed. So, you know, ownership now is in many places much, much quieter and corporate than it was back then. And George Steinbrenner was the prototype for the insane, ego driven, obsessed owner in professional sports. His sons, obviously now run the team. Hal is the one who really oversees it versus Hank. But we're going to bring in Mike Focaro to talk about the ownership changes in Major League Baseball, specifically with the Yankees, who will be in Boston later in the month to play the Red Sox. So here's our discussion with Mike Focaro. Hope you enjoy it. All right, welcome back. Special guests this week, Mike Focaro, the New York Post, who joins us via Zoom to talk about his latest book, but also give us an entry into what I think is a bigger topic now in Major League Baseball, and that concerns ownership issues, spending, etc., etc., collective bargaining agreement is coming up. So first, Mike has been a columnist for the New York Post. I think since 2002, if I read it right, Mike, is that right? That's right. Time fly. Yeah, it's been 24 years. Yes, I was going to say you're closing in on a quarter century at the Post, but the book is called The Bosses of the Bronx. It's really about the Steinbrenner family, but I think there's an obvious emphasis on George. So I'll just tell people a little bit about what the impetus for the book was and where they can get it, what they can expect reading it. Yeah, you know, Tony, it's funny. There were so many younger generation Nike fans who only know George if they know him at all as the older man who walked in the Yankee Stadium and would be just cheered for minutes on end, and his main name was Chanted, we love you George. Thank you, Boss, that kind of stuff. And they have no idea what George was like in the 70s and 80s when he was the most vilified person in all of New York, if not all sports. I mean, he would walk in the Yankee Stadium and get booed. He'd get chanted. There'd be some obscenities thrown in because he was an impatient man who fired a lot of people and sent a lot of young kids out. And of course, winning being the great deodorizer that it is later on because the 80s won, he was looked at as a, you know, when he died, he was a king almost. And you're even folks of our generation, Tony, you believe or not, you know, choose to use selective amnesia and remember that version of George as opposed to the version that really made him a household name in the 70s and 80s when he was the king of the back pages. I just wanted to capture a little bit about what that personality was. I mean, there was so many facets to his personality and, you know, he basically reinvented the Yankees on the fly. And then, you know, he was on the back page constantly, his entire tenure there. And, you know, in New York, there was nobody else ever liked him. I don't think there's ever been another owner quite like him. So, Mike, as you mentioned it, like, and I heard you talk to Mike Francesa about this too, regarding me, the fact that younger people really have no idea that before Mark Cuban, before Jerry Jones, you know, the original sort of megalomaniacal owner was George Steinbrenner. He was loud, he was brash, he was rude, he was aggressive, he was obsessed with winning. And he really, don't you think he really became the standard for that persona? In other words, you know, we look at Cuban and say, yeah, he's like, George is sort of the mold, wouldn't you agree? I would agree. And in fact, I would say that even though Cuban, you know, it's interesting when you're giving press conferences, you're exercising by, I guess, and, you know, Jerry Jones is loud and and near as Steinbrenner ever was, but his success hasn't been near what Steinbrenners was. Yeah, George, George built the blueprint. And I don't think he was a one of one. And I think it's gonna be hard, especially now, owners are gonna be a lot more reserved than most of them, as we'll soon talk about, are just basically monolithic corporations. So you're never gonna see somebody like George who, you know, own the Yankees voraciously, and entirely until the day he died, even even after he gave up power a little bit later in his time, there were still reporters who would stake out Yankee Stadium for the boss watch Pete, whenever he would show up and whenever he would leave. And look, you know, he had some some some some vicious feuds through the years. And of course, Larry Latino was one of them. He was probably his last great foil for those great, you know, Red Sox Yankee scummages of the early aughts. But yeah, he was he's a fascinating character to pursue. And me, I mean, he's just fascinating, even if you're not a Yankees fan, I mean, just this is a, this is a significant personality, whether you like to her hand them, and you can certainly make arguments for both. He's worthy of his time being preserved between the cameras of a book, I think. And just, you know, now you were kind of to send me a copy, and I'm being completely honest, I haven't read it yet. Okay, you know, I know some of the history, and I remember the Steinbrenner watch from being in the stadium some nights. And you know, people would try to hunt George down while we were in the press box. So how much of the book delves into post George, you know, how it how it is now run with his sons, Hank and Al. And, and let me, we'll get to that in a minute. But how much goes into the book and the sons after George's life? You know, it's interesting, Tony, the cover of the book, by the way, it's available in bookstores everywhere now, it came out a week and a half ago, get online at Amazon.com. But the cover of the book is interesting, it's sort of metaphorical, because the picture of George is probably about, you know, four or five times bigger than the picture of Hal. And, you know, that's not only, you know, appropriate, because obviously George owned the team a lot longer than Hal has, but obviously his personality is that much bigger than how's. The final three or four chapters, really talk about both the transition, while George is still alive, and then the reality of what the Yankees have been since George passed. And obviously, Hal is so much different than George. You know, Hal describes it perfectly, I think he still talks about, he's all watching the Yankees play and they'll lose a game and I'll throw my shoe at the TV. You see, the difference is my father would watch the Yankees lose and throw his shoe at the TV, then he'd pick up the phone and call the post and the daily news and say, guess what I just said, I just threw my shoe at the TV. And he got, you know, three days of headlines out of it. So, you know, I think what the book tries to do is capture what that was like, the daily craziness of George Steinman's ownership, and kind of in some ways what it was like to cover. Like, it's not a book about the sports writers who covered it, but there's some interesting days involved there where, you know, you just don't have guys like that to cover, certainly anymore. And you really had them back in the day. George even Okay. And so, how do people feel now about the way the Yankees have run post George? In other words, if fans like it more, they like it less. Much less. And that's part of, that was part of the impetus for writing the book too. Invariably, Tony, you know, when the Yankees go on a five-game losing streak in May or August or whatever, I'm going to get my inbox be seized by people saying if only George was still alive, if only George can make things right again, there's this perception which is wrong, by the way, that all George would do is snap his fingers, fire some people, you know, trade some people, and all of a sudden the Yankees would win. I mean, the Yankees won more games in the 80s than any other team and never won a championship because George's impetuousness is impatience ruined a lot of teams that finished second place to the Red Sox and the Tigers and the Blue Jays all across that decade. So, you know, I personally don't think it would be for the better if he did that, but, you know, fans remember George a certain way. They remember certain, very fondly that he was a guy who would throw all of his bankrolls at problems and players and hell in their mind doesn't do that. And, you know, hell is just a different personality. I mean, you know, if I tried to write a book about Hal Steinbrenner, it would last about, you know, 13 or 14 pages, let's be very honest. I mean, he's a very successful smart man, but that's not interesting thing to write about. And he's not very interesting. George was. And when people remember rightly or wrongly is George getting things done. That didn't always, that wasn't always the case, but it happened enough at least for people to think that that's the way it happened. Okay. And so you said something here at the beginning, which again is really what I, you know, I'm sort of fascinated by now people in Boston, Mike, are pissed at the way Red Sox run their business. And so if I were to sit here and tell you that, for example, the Red Sox are spending a lot less than they were, you know, 10 years ago, I don't, I don't think that's necessarily true. I think they're spending a similar amount, if not more, they might not rank as where is they, as highly as they did in payroll at the beginning of this ownership group. But the big difference is they don't seem to be all out to win. They don't seem to be intent at all on signing the mega deal, the $300 million contract, I'll call it now with a $400 million contract. And I think it's now one of the big differences between Boston and New York. Joe Haggerty here between the car, the ranks, two kids in hockey and covering hockey myself. My schedule is absolute chaos, but a few weeks into Awakened 180, I'm down 20 pounds, Awakened 180 weight loss.com. So the Red Sox say they want to win, but they'll trade off Raphael Devers, then they'll let Bregman go. They don't want to sign any third world player to a big contract as a result, they now have a leadership void. And I feel like some of the edge has also been lost on the New York side. And when I say that, I mean, look, the Yankees have Gary Cole and Aaron Judge, and they just signed Max Freed. So they have some mega contracts. But is there the same insanity to win championships in New York that there was? And do you think that that is, do you think that has adversely affected the rivalry as much as I do? Yeah, I definitely do. Look, I mean, the arms race that we remember so fondly from the, you know, 2000s, 2003, 2004 is when it reaches Apex, obviously, that's God. And that's just never going to be the case where, you know, the Red Sox and the Yankees were like over here and the rest baseball was over here. And not just in terms of the money they spent, but also the interest, the rabid fanaticism among the fan base. And obviously, you know, you see, you had George Diamonder still very much in play with the Yankees. And look, even though that was the early stages of John Henry, so he really wanted to make an impact to probably a lot more, seemingly a lot more than he does now. And look, in those years, the Yankees and Red Sox, neither one of them had to deal with things like the Dodgers can glomerate, you know, that they have bottomless pockets. And, you know, it's funny, the Dodgers have essentially made the Red Sox and the Yankees, more the Yankees and the Red Sox, because the Red Sox kind of did this on the noble ask a couple of years ago. Maybe the Yankees almost looked like a middling market team, which is astonishing. And look, the Blue Jays have the same kind of resources, they can just pretty much go as deep as they want to. And look, even when you talk about someone like in the Yankees own city, like Steve Cohen with the Mets, I mean, he's his own guy, but he's really his own, you know, economic system and his worth $23,000,000,000. And, you know, for the Yankees specific, you know, when Steinbrenner was making his move to take New York back from the Mets when he first bought the team, I mean, you know, he was going against LaRinda DeRuley, who won the Roneback foul, Ballsman stands, washed them off and used them again tomorrow. That's not Steve Cohen's game. So both of the Red Sox and the Yankees now have a lot more other things to look out for than just each other. And it seems, you know, remember this, it seemed like for a couple of years, the only thing that mattered in their universe was the other one in the universe. And that was for the Red Sox, it was the Yankees, it was the Yankees, it was the Red Sox. And that's just not the way it is anymore. And I do think that, you know, look, I'm going to these games now, they're not really as intense as you see it. Look, I'm even talking about like a game in July, I'm talking about last year's playoffs, you know, there just wasn't the, I mean, obviously the Yankees fans wanted to win, it was pretty, you know, it was pretty loud, but just the overwhelming, this has to happen a certain way, feeling that company, those games in them three out of four, just that this is not there. Do you think that's ever coming back? Look, I may think of a, let's, let's remember, I mean, last year, they played early in the playoffs, so it's different, you know, they didn't play any games at Family Park. So, I mean, they never met the ALCS again in the seven games from the World Series. Yeah, I think that would do it, you know, but there are a lot of things have to happen. You realize now, I think more than ever, and Yankee fans, they go insane when you use the word craps you, they don't want to hear about it, even though, of course, baseball in the playoffs is genuinely a crapshoot, the Dodgers are considered unbeatable, they should have lost the World Series three different times last year. You know, it's amazing when you look back on 03 and 04, that the Yankees and Red Sox in two straight years were able to find each other in the ALCS because it's not always easy to do that, and one of those teams is going to be a wallet card, so they got to play an extra game, and now they're going to play an extra couple of games. So, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, but I do think that if they got to that level again, I think you would see a similar intensity. I just, you know, then you have to get to the effect during all the labor stuff that's coming, and you just wonder if anybody's going to feel the same way about baseball ever again, if what we think is coming actually happens, so you have to factor that into it also, I think, Jared. Yeah, look at Mike, it's changed a lot. I mean, it has changed a lot. And so I wonder, you know, you mentioned 03 and 04, I always mentioned this statistic, the Red Sox and the Yankees over those two years, played 52 games against each other, counting postseason, right? There were 38 in the regular season and then two seven game series, they played 52 games, going into game seven in 2004, going into the 52nd game, it was 26-25 Boston, and the Yankees had won, uh, yeah, had won an American League championship series, and then as it turned out, the, you know, the Red Sox won an American League championship series, and then a World Series as well. So it ended 27-25, I think they were divided by something like 17 runs in the, in the games. It's like the Army, it's like the Army-naming football rivalry, because there's all kinds of numbers like that, where just not named even in wins and losses, but in points scored over 150 years. So it's very similar to that, you know, and the intensity of the rivalry, of course, was, was unmatched to. Oh, and the talent on the field, I mean, you're talking Hall of Famers of the Lord, they were superpowers. Exactly. Yeah, that's me. That's the, that's the big difference. I mean, you know, the Red Sox and the Yankees were the Dodgers of those years, because that's where, you know, when Alex Rodriguez was going to move out of Texas, it was going to be one or the other, and it turned out to be one, and almost the other. And that's exactly what baseball was in those days. And now, you know, Alex Rodriguez would probably be a Dodger the way things work out now, right? Yeah, right, exactly. I mean, look, that's where everybody's going. And I think that kind of, you know, I think that takes the fun out of it a little bit. You know, one of the things that made it interesting in the early 2000s to me was Kurt Schilling wanted to come to Boston to beat the Yankees. And, you know, and now most guys just want to hop on a move and train because it's a faster trip to a championship. And you know, to me, that that's unfortunate. Before we let you go, let me just ask you quickly. I know you got other things to do. So let me just ask you the Yankees of 2026. How good are they? Are they a legitimate threat to take down the Dodgers or are they still the flawed team that we've seen in the last couple of years? Look, they still have flaws. I mean, we've seen them even the first couple of weeks this season, as good as the record is. Their goal pens a little shaky. Their defense isn't really up to snuff. I mean, they still have brain cramps, too many brain cramps for a good team. But that lineup is awfully good. You're going to build a line of a red-arrowing judge. You're going to score a lot of runs. What I'm going to be fascinated by is when all the pitchers are healthy, you know, when you're talking about bringing back heel, you're talking about bringing back cold, you're talking about bringing back red-on, you're talking about, you know, maybe July 15th on having a terrific high-end pitcher every day for the rest of the season, assuming they all stay healthy. And that's going to be an interesting thing to see how that reacts. Because obviously, you know, starting pitching isn't what it used to be, but it's still a very useful tool to have in a short series. If we can get six innings out of a starter and put yourself in position to win, then maybe you can figure out the goal pen along the way. But that's what I think is, Yankees have an opportunity to be very good. If the pitching staff is as good as it seems like it's going to be, because I postured earlier in the spring training that it might well be the best starting rotation the Yankees have ever had. Now, look, the Yankees have always been known as a hitting team. So there's only a handful of rotations you would probably want to put in a semi-finals there. But certainly, if they're at their best, the five starters they put out there every game, would be, you know, also when you're talking about Max Friedman being a number three starter, I mean, who knows how much slick it's going to be, because you watch awfully a little bit of an hour. So, I mean, that's the stuff that I would be excited about if I was a Yankees fan, which is different. No longer the Bronx bombers, you know, they're just, they're going to try and win this with their starting rotation, I think, which is also interesting in 2026 when kind of starting pitching has been a little marginalized too, right? So I do think it puts you in a good position in a short series. Okay, so just quickly, is there a time, are those guys all on the same timeline as far as the starters go? And I'm talking about Cole, Heal, and then Rodan, are they all roughly the same, or are they one coming back? Roughly the same, Heal should come back a little sooner, I think. Cole and Rodan will probably be around the same time. I think Cole's probably a little more ahead. I mean, he's probably 98, you know, or he's down in Tampa. So, and, you know, he's obviously more than just being a big pitcher. He's also in a lot of ways the soul of that team, even more so than I ever judge. I mean, he's the leader in that clubhouse. He's, you know, he's really the guy who wants to have people to file it behind him and lead behind them. And so that's going to be a huge too. Yeah, so probably by the middle of July, they'll all be back. And this can be really interesting. Okay, so again, the book is Bosses of the Bronx, The Bosses of the Bronx by Mike Focauer of The New York Post. How many books have you done now, Mike? This is my fourth. I haven't done one in 15 years. So this was a long time funding, but I enjoyed the heck out of writing. So I hope it's the same way. Okay, so again, the Bosses of the Bronx, Together, Father's Day gift, etc., etc. I know my father would love to read about Steinberg. I miss George. I think we all do. I think you're not. Yeah, and I'll tell you that, you know, you mentioned Larry Lucchino earlier, Mike, just quickly, he and, you know, he and George had a real rivalry. I mean, a real sort of, you know, they were both extremely competitive with one another. And the Red Sox haven't been the same since Larry left. So I would argue, yeah, I was talking to Jared Carabas of the Section 10 podcast recently, and he said he thinks this whole philosophy and the Red Sox intensity all changed when Larry left the organization. And obviously he's since passed on. But they were birds of a feather. Those two were very similar. They really were. They didn't mind engaging with each other. George was happy to crow after the 03 ALCS and Lucchino was happy to equally fire back after 04. And, you know, the 20, the 04 series did kind of bring out the very one of the best moments of Steinberg to me, which is, you know, after game seven is over and the collapse is over, or the comeback, depending on what city you're living in. You know, there's like five, six, seven thousand Red Sox fans just loudly chanting, you know, thank you, socks, thank you, socks and, you know, prodigy to share. She's putting with champagne and Yankee employees are terrified how boss is going to react to this. They go to his office. Boss, we don't, we can't, they won't leave and do his credit. He's everlasting credits. Steinberg said, let them stay as long as they want. People, it's on form. They burned it. Because yeah, he recognized, you know, they want to stay and game those games. He realized, I think, then that the Red Sox and Yankees was a special kind of something. Special for him, special for the Red Sox, special for baseball. Yeah, it was, that story is one of the great moments in the history of the rivalry, if you ask me. I agree. I agree. Amazing. I'm looking, he had done that earlier. I know, I know, Clare Simpson talked about after the 78 playoff game, George was the first guy in their clubhouse. And basically said, I wish we could both go to the playoffs, you know, which, you know, it's very unlike the Steinberg that we know and that most people think about, but that was a part of him also. That's why he was such a fascinating, multifaceted personality. Incredible. Yeah, really incredible stuff. All right, Mike, listen, thanks a lot. I appreciate it, Tony. Thanks for talking. You're talking to him. We'll talk to you soon. See you at the ballpoint. Yeah, likewise. Yankees will be in here at the end of the month. So, you know, we'll get to see that again. But best of luck with the book. We'll catch up with you soon. Thanks, Mike. Okay, you too. Bye-bye. Joe Haggerty here. If you were designing the perfect way to blow up a weight loss plan, my schedule would be a pretty good place to start. I'm in the car all the time, running to rinks, juggling two kids and hockey, covering hockey myself. And half the time the day changes on me before it's even lunch. A few weeks into Awaken 180, I'm down 20 pounds. That's real weight real fast. And the only reason this is working is because I'm not trying to figure it out on the fly anymore. Crazy thing is I'd probably be down 30 pounds, but had a couple slip-ups early because of my hectic schedule. Big mistake. That's why I've never been able to do it before. Now I give my coach my schedule, where I'm going, what's coming up. And he helps me plan for you unexpected. 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So if this doesn't surprise you, it surprised me. And the reason it surprised me is obvious reasons. One, and first and foremost is the ABS system. So the ability to challenge balls and strikes would suggest to me you'd have that that would actually speed up at bats or what have you. And I say speed up at bats, meaning calls would be right. And I think that there has been a tangential effect or ripple effect on balls and strikes that we weren't necessarily anticipating, or I know I wasn't. And there wasn't a lot of talk about the challenge system, the ABS challenge system, adding time to the game. And frankly, it has to be a little concerned. It's something to watch. So one of the problems in baseball is that maybe the biggest problems at baseball is that we don't have enough balls in play. And that is largely driven by strikeouts. The number of strikeouts in the game has exploded over years with the increase of velocity and what have you. And now with ABS walks are on the rise. And so I'm wondering, I'm really interested in seeing how this plays out over the longer term, because I do wonder if the challenge system has forced umpires to call the accurate and real strike zone, meaning there are more balls now being called as a result. They can't expand the strike zones. The umpires are basically on review now on every pitch. So I'm wondering if the one of the effects of this is that they are more accurately calling balls that are just missing the plate. And as a result, we're getting more walks. And the number of walks is up is way, way up compared to a year ago or even early years. I think the walk rate is as highest in about 19 seasons in Major League Baseball. Now MLB expected based on the stuff that's out there from Sports Illustrated and other media outlets, MLB expected some increase in walks, and they expected some decrease in strikeouts. But they expected those numbers to be relatively small. Right now they're a lot bigger than anyone expects. So long story short, I guess what I'm telling you is just keep an eye on it. Because as one of the things that we've seen in some areas, and I'm using Boston as a metric just because that's obviously where I'm based and what I've seen, the Red Sox do not have a team that early in the year was showing particularly good plate discipline. Of late, they've been walking quite a bit and they had a three-run rally in a game against the Milwaukee Brewers here on April 8th. That was Wednesday. But they had a three-run rally against the Brewers in which they drew a number of walks. And to me, it's a real critical part of the game that in some ways has been lost. So I just want to bring this up quickly. Because last year, the walks leaders in Major League Baseball, you see him here, Juan Soto had 127. He was number one on the list. Aaron Judge, Raphael Devers, Kyle Schwaber, Shohei Otani. Now all those guys are power hitters. They're more likely to be pitched around and walked intentionally. But I would also tell you that all those guys have pretty good plate discipline. Devers' plate discipline has improved tremendously over the course of his career. But teams are going to pitch around those guys. And I do think that when you look at the teams that led the majors in walks a year ago, Yankees and Dodgers at the top of the list. Obviously, New York was in the World Series two years ago. The Dodgers have won the last two. The Brewers were fourth on the list. And that's a team that doesn't hit for a lot of power, but overall has pretty good plate discipline. I guess what I'm saying is this, the walks are a big part of rallies. Now the Toronto Blue Jays didn't walk a ton. They were in the middle of the pack, but they also led the Major Leagues in batting average. So Toronto was probably the best pure hitting team. If you go purely by batting average, Toronto was number one last year. So they didn't have to walk as much because their guys could hit and not only put the ball in play, but get on base. Obviously, there's these are both huge metrics as it relates to on base percentage. But something that people forget is that walks are great ways to sustain rallies and run up pitch counts and get into the soft spots of pitching staff. So you can't necessarily win everything by just walking, but it allows you to extend rallies and increases traffic on the bases. You know, the old adage that a walk is as good as a hit is kind of bullshit if you ask me, because it's hard to knock in a guy from second base with a walk unless there's a wild pitch. In fact, you can't do it. So hits, you know, all things being equal, I'll take the Blue Jays with an identical on base percentage over a team that has the same on base, but a lower batting average because the Blue Jays are going to hit their guys in and they're going to do more damage with the bat than you can do with a walk. But it's something to watch here in the early part of the year. I think it's an interesting developing story in a major league baseball. There'll be updates along the way. And I haven't even gotten to really what might be the most critical thing is how patient our fans going to be to that if the length of games goes up considerably. So one of the things we really like in baseball over recent years is they've been able to chop about a half hour off the game with the pitch clock. Well, if they put 10 minutes back on the game, because there were that many more walks and it slows down the pace of play, that is not good for business. So I have said in the past, I think the challenge system allows for too many challenges. I would limit it to two per game. Maybe then umpires can loosen up a little bit or maybe get rid of it entirely. If it adds, so this is the question you have to ask yourself. If it adversely affects the time of game, let's just say 10, 15 minutes go back on the length of game because of the ABS system. Do you want it or do you not? Because I'd get rid of it. So umpires were right on 93% of calls based on some of the data that's out there online. To me, that was plenty good enough. They were going to miss some just like guys make errors in the field. And so if it comes down to extending the time of game, if that's what the ABS system does and walks doing facts stay up, then that's something that baseball is going to have to look into. The good news is they have a bargaining agreement that's up at the end of the year. And if there's a work stop, there may have plenty of time to look at it. So anyway, thanks to all of you for watching and listening again, and we'll catch you next time on Breaking Balls.
