Shocking Migrant Attack, Questions About California Cheating, and Iran Shoots Down American Helicopter, with Buckley Carlson | Ep. 1335

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Closing arguments now underway in the trial of 19-year-old Carmelo Anthony, who is accused of fatally stabbing Austin Metcalf, another 17-year-old, during a confrontation at a high school track meet that never needed to happen. This jury is expected to get the case in moments. There's been a huge development. The jury will now be able to consider a lesser charge of manslaughter. Originally, we just had murder charges. Now they've added manslaughter. I query why the prosecution did that, because this is an open and shut case. Maybe they felt bad for him. I have no idea. There was a long meeting with Defense Counsel yesterday of some three hours, but that's normally something that the defense might push for if they thought there might be a conviction, and it's something the prosecution pushes for if they think there won't be a conviction on murder. So I'm not sure why on earth that would have been added at the last minute. In any event, also we're going to discuss whether the neocons are turning on President Trump. They're not exactly getting their way right now, and they seem to be rather upset. Here with me today for what's sure to be an unbelievable conversation on a wide range of topics is Buckley Carlson. I'm so excited for this. I've been waiting for this for months. He's a longtime writer, media strategist, and former speech writer back in 2015 for Donald Trump. He also happens to be the younger bro of Tucker Carlson, and he is here in person in the Red Studio. Let me tell you something. When you sign your insurance policy for some brokers, that's the finish line. Handshake commission done. See ya. Then you may never hear from them again, or at least not until it's time for a renewal when they become your best friend once again. Your business runs all year, and so do the gaps and the risk. This is why I want to tell you about SuperSure. This is a great idea for a company. 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Thank you for having me. I've been anticipating this for a while as well. The pleasure is all mine. So do you love saying that you're the younger brother? That Tucker's the older one now. It's pretty funny. Very few people recognize they am the younger brother. They all call me old leather face. And they all surmise that I've led a much, much rougher life than Tucker's. Well, I actually, reading up on you realized you haven't that you both quit drinking decades ago and he quit smoking, but you keep smoking. I quit. I also, it turned out I was a quitter briefly. Oh, OK. For about 12 years. OK. And always doing the nicotine supplements. But recently I came back in the fold. You quit the quitting. I quit the quitting because I'm not that kind of person. Congratulations. That commitment, it turns out. We all need vices. Yes. You know? Very few in my life beyond. But honestly, like I've never smoked, but I do feel, and trust me, I've done a lot of maha on this show and I love maha and I'm trying to live a maha life. But even I occasionally am like, I feel like Brian Johnson. I want a martini and something else bad for me. I don't feel like, can we just relax? Like the way people used to live, they used to live into their 80s and they lived these lives of debauchery and they didn't feel sorry for it. My great grandmother was a duck hunter well into her 80s and she was a chain smoker and a drinker and quite a conversationalist. Yes. It works for a lot of people. My Nana lived to be 101 years old. She never ate anything other than processed foods. She was obese. She never saw the inside of a gym or any sort of exercise. And she was a stressed out person. How? How did I like, why can't we live like that? Probably she didn't have the nanny influence. I think actually that's the most deleterious thing for health is having people bark in your face, tell you what to do, eat your freedom. Yes. And they're everywhere right now. They are everywhere. Yes, they are. Okay. There's a lot. I have so much I want to do on your bio, but before we get to your bio, can we just start with the hottest news story that's going on right now that's stunning and it's awful and it's disgusting. It's out of Northern Ireland. And for the listening audience, you probably know this, but just in case you don't, Northern Ireland is part of the UK and it's ruled by Kirstarmer and the Republic of Ireland is separate and different. And Northern Ireland has taken a lot of immigrants from the UK and they're not all happy about it. And today in particular, something awful has happened. Protests are being organized right now. They're about to break out on the streets of the UK because a man was almost beheaded by a Sudanese immigrant last night, a white Irish man, almost beheaded by a Sudanese immigrant. The police are saying precious little about it right now. They say they know it's not terror, even though they don't know the motive. That they know though. Yes. Definitely not terror. Like the most incendiary thing that's really going to upset you, we know it's not that. But it's definitely an immigrant who was given quote leave to be in the UK. So it appears the UK opened its borders to this guy and he's in his thirties. The victim is in his forties and lived. He's alive right now. Don't have the names of these people yet. And amazingly, the reason he lived, this is one good piece of the story is this badass Irishman saw the attack going down and took out this huge paddle that they use for a game over there, which I'd never heard of. Hold on a second. I wrote it down called a Hurley stick from some game like Hurley. I don't know what it is, but it's an Irish thing and beat the daylights out of the assailant and stopped him from killing this poor man. I'm just going to give you, so now the man seriously injured in the hospital. They said something terrible happened to his eyes are not being more specific. I'm going to give you a hint for how it's going. Northern Ireland's justice minister is a woman named Naomi Long. And here's how she's reacting to this terrible development. There is no place for this kind of horrific violence in our community. And what I am saying very clearly today is that I understand people will be frightened. I understand that some people will be angry. But we need to have calm heads. We need to stay cool and allow the police to do their job of investigation because what I want to see more than anything is the person responsible, held accountable before the law. I do not want to see ramping up of tensions. I do not want to see other innocent people's lives ruined as a result of what was a completely unacceptable and outrageous attack. So it's basically rain in your reaction. I don't think it's helpful, she said, for people to seize on this as yet another weapon in the war that they wage on immigration. That's not healthy. And I don't think it's fair. So is the Republicans' pounce, basically, in response to these incidents? What do you make of it? Don't hold us responsible for the awful policies that we've imposed upon you for no reason. No identifiable reason that we could articulate. Why is this good for Ireland to have to import all of these people that have nothing in common with Ireland that Ireland can't afford, that Ireland can't fit, that the Irish people don't actually want? No one's actually asked the Irish people what they want. And when they do, no one in government has asked and they don't seem to care. But if they asked the Irish people, they'd say, enough is enough. We can't afford our lives. We don't have houses. We don't have representation here in our country. This response from this one, at least she acknowledged that there's some outrage. I'm surprised she didn't say, let's not get racist about it. She's basically intimating that. I've had it with your overreactions when it comes to immigration problems. What's making the people fearful is not the reaction to the attempted beheading. It's the attempted beheading which we are going to show blurred. Forgive me. We're going to blur it. You're not going to actually see the beheading. But you can see the danger this man was in with the blurring watch. Come on, stand. He's just killed them. Hurry up. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. He's standing. Yeah. Yeah. He's standing. He's trying to call the terror of his may. Hurry up. He's slashing the terror of his. Hurry up. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Get up. Come on. Get under. Let him go. Get up. Now. Come on. Get up. Get up. Get up. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The bystander who actually. That's what would happen here. Acted like a hero. Wait, as I'm gonna show up. I'm gonna be careful. Yeah, like Daniel Penny. Yes, absolutely. He's just gonna be here. He's just gonna be here. So it's only thanks to those people that this man's alive today. So did the police come in hog time and pull his hands behind his back and kneel on his chest and. Thankfully, no. But you know, it's almost like, you know, not to downplay in any way the hero, the heroism of that guy's move. Because nine times out of 10, people would be too afraid to go attack somebody who's trying to behead one of their countrymen. But they're very much focused on that now. Like at the presser that the police had, they really played up the guy's heroism. And it's like, we were feeling that, but we need to start with accountability for the policies that allowed this man to be here to begin with. It's been happening all over the UK, including Northern Ireland, where they've been complaining now about increased crime on the streets. Where like streets that used to be like beautiful tourist attractions are now covered with drug dealers and homelessness. And people from other countries, it's Somalia is one of them, Sudan's another, who have no shared values with the people in the UK, similar to what we're seeing here. In places like Minneapolis, who take advantage of the system, and who have, I mean, a barbaric way of resolving whatever conflicts are in their lives or mental health issues. Sorry you have them. Why is it our problem? Very much so. Why is it our problem? And it shouldn't be our problem. And obviously it's redolin of what happened last week or earlier last year, but certainly the Henry Noah case. Where he had been, I mean, Cure Stormer came up. It was absolutely shameful for Cure Stormer to blame people for being upset about it. And also those police officers should be held to account for what they did for the dereliction of duty, for the disdain that they poured out on poor Henry. They killed him essentially. They're disregard, they're leaping to the conclusion that this was racism and racism, maybe unacceptable. It is, shouldn't be engaged in racist attitudes, but it's not about racism, it's about public safety and it's about being represented by the people to whom we invest this power, this incredible power and they abuse it. The irony is the Henry case is actually, it is about racism, just the other way around. Yes, institutional racism, anti-white racism from our elected officials and from the entire institutions that we pay for and- Well, so ironic, right? It's like they thought they were cloaking themselves in this glory of arriving on the scene and saying, oh, of course the poor Sikh man got attacked by the punk white kid. And it was their anti-white racism and I think they were white cops, I'm not sure. But that didn't stop them. They've been so conditioned by the BLM movement and the self shame thing that's been happening among whites in the Western world. They didn't even pause to reconsider as it came into like a victim perpetrator narrative, who was whom? And that's deadly. Driven by the perpetrator. I mean, the idea that he could just say right off the bat, I'm sure there are lots of people watching your show who've been involved in some physical altercation or had to deal with beliefs. Beliefs do not often come up and just trust one person of a two-party feud. Especially once down. Right, and claiming that he can't breathe. And has been stabbed. Multiple times in the chest. And instead you argue with him. I don't think you have. Actually. Sorry to laugh, it's so obscene. No, it is. But it's not really surprising that we're here because we've seen it for so long, at least in my entire lifetime in America. And now this, right? So the protests right now are, we've seen these. This is the wake of Henry Nowak. But they say Novak, his family said Novak. So I think it's like a W thing with the foreigners. In any event, already this has been happening in the wake of his murder and then Vickram Digwa's conviction. And what they're mad about is what you said. That nothing's happened to the cops. Absolutely nothing has happened to the cops that let Henry die. And now we're seeing, you know, this guy's getting roughed up by the cops. And now we're seeing the same as about to start in Ireland. Here's just a couple of examples of what we're seeing from the media in the wake of this near beheading. The BBC, hold on a second. Yeah, I gotta read you their headline. Their headline and the BBC on this attempted beheading. A man has been taken to the hospital with serious injuries following a stabbing. Now Buckley. The man was nearly beheaded with like a sword basically. The guy was hacking over and over at his neck was like had him there and the man was writhing on the ground. We're not gonna show this, but you know, and the woman's saying he's trying to cut his head off. He's trying to cut his head off, get him. And you could see him like repeatedly stabbing at the neck trying to like hold him down. It's not like he wasn't saying I'm going to behead you, but it was a fair conclusion. So this is what they reduce it to. Yeah, take into the, a man, a man taken to the hospital with serious injuries following a stabbing. Nothing about the perpetrator, nothing about what he had in his hand, nothing about what it appeared to be. New York Times goes to man arrested in brutal stabbing. Okay. Newsweek, Belfast stabbing. Police warn of sharing video after brutal attack. And that was the police message today. Don't share the video or any pictures from the videos too upsetting. Of course. Screw you. Yes, absolutely. Do you think these people have any sense of shame? How could you actually produce a piece of copy like that and then read it on the air? I know. I think they think they're being the protectors of the poor immigrant community that bullies like Buckley and Megan are piling onto. Except there's probably zero evidence that there are any racial attacks against these people. I bet the Irish people, months like the American people are incredibly charitable and deal with people on an individual basis. And I'm sure it would be revealed that there are many hoaxes in Ireland as there are in America should start prosecuting the people who engage in it. Maybe they'll close their border. You know, I mean, maybe look what happened in Sweden. You know, they completely opened their borders to foreigners. Then they came in, started taking advantage of the Swedish generosity, their socialism. And finally they started kicking them out. It's like Sweden's starting to get back to being Sweden because they realized, oh, this is a very bad idea. And yet for a decade, people maintained it was a lie that there were no go zones, that ambulances and cops wouldn't go into certain areas. But of course that was absolutely true. And all those Swedish girls who were raped by gangs, it's obviously reminiscent of what's been going on in England. Someone needs to be taken, these people need to be held accountable to these elected officials. They need to actually start being, I don't know, you're the lawyer. I don't know what is the obstacle actually to holding these people responsible. I mean, in the Henry Novak case, I really think you could make a case for potentially even manslaughter, a reckless indifference to human life. Slapping the cuffs on a bleeding, dying man, telling him he's not bleeding and dying, seeing how ghostly he was, not caring, you'd been told on the phone that there'd been an injury and that medical care was necessary. And you show up so cavalierly and don't even do an investigation to see whether this is the man who's hurt, stabbed five times and you don't know it. I mean, I think you could make a case there. Elsewhere, it's just a matter of replacing your politicians, right? Like getting rid of the bad and getting rid of the good. I mean, that's one good thing that Trump has done, which is close the Southern border. And there's only one Democrat promising to keep it closed and that's Rahm Emanuel. And we haven't received that promise from anybody else, nor is the media even interested in asking the others in the preliminary interview rounds whether that might be something they do. And they're more interested in defunding ICE. So that's what we're stuck with. It's atrocious. I know. All right, I'm gonna get back to more of these news headlines, but I wanna talk about you, Buckley. All right, so you are two years younger than Tucker. Did we mention that? Yes, slightly less than two years. Okay, two years younger, just about. So was there one grade between you? He was like a... There was one grade between us. We were very close our entire lives. We grew up primarily with my father when we were really young. I know about your mom. Tucker and I have talked about your biological mom, Split, he was six and you were four? Yes, exactly right. Which is horrendous. I mean, it's horrifying. Some people just turn suited to it. I know, but it's like, that must be so devastated. Do you have a memory of her? I have a lot of memories of her. None of them are very complimentary. Although I will say she was physically attractive. She was smart, she was articulate. She was probably great to be at a cocktail party with. She had a lot of personality. She was unstable. She was a bit of a maniac. And she didn't take to parenthood. I guess that happens. I can, you know, you have children, it's the biggest blessing in the world. She didn't have that. However, my father assumed both those responsibilities at a young age fought for us. You got very lucky there. Very lucky. Your dad sounds like he was so incredible. I wish I had known him. I wish you had too. I mean, the obit for him was it just, he came alive on the paper where you're like, oh my God, what a man. Plus that was like a fraction of his life. So I gleaned just in getting ready for today. So tell us a little bit about him. And because he, though he had a very active career, he was a very active father. And there's a reason you Carlson's wound up like this. I mean, just like feisty and fiery and fiercely independent and bucking trends and pretty fearless. He was interested in everything. Sorry, he had started off as an orphan in Boston, actually at an orphanage called the Home for Little Wanderers was adopted by a family, then readopted by another family. What happened there? The first family didn't want him? They had a policy, I think that they used to have in America which was put them with someone who was culturally similar. People who haven't had children. Actually, that was a premium. You know, if you don't give it, you don't give an infant to a family who's already been blessed with children. So a family stepped in, really nice and Swedish family had him for exactly two years. And then one day the orphanage showed up and said, we've got another family for you. So, and they were perfectly nice people and hardworking and Christian and kind. And they took him in. He always knew he was adopted, always knew he was different. Read books extensively from a young age, always engaged in serious adventure was a total nonconformist. Totally self-educated. Totally self-educated. Went to, I think, one semester of high school. No, got kicked out of three separate high schools. And he was wild. And then ended up enrolling himself in the Naval Academy Prep School and was there. And then went to Ole Miss for a semester when James Meredith was there and all those riots. And then left. And then went as so many adventurous individuals did, went to California at, I think, 19, became a copy boy for the LA Times, showed up in their office and said, Why not me? I'm here, yes. And then was an independent journalist, although had worked for ABC, worked for ABC, worked for NBC, was eventually in television and was a media guy for an investigative reporter for most of his career. And then he joined the administration of Reagan and ran the Voice of America during the Cold War. And you talked about how when you were growing up in that household with your dad, who was determined to raise good young men, his library was your favorite room in the house. It was enormous, actually. And it was populated exclusively by every kind of book, all my father's books. He'd read every single one of them, not all in the completion, but his passions were endless. He knew he investigated everything and read about everything. So it was really an amazing compilation, his library. And he taught us to read at a young age and was constantly giving us adult books and taking us with him on stories that he did. Traveled around with him quite a bit, actually. Yes, but his library was a particular sanctuary in that house that we were growing up in and then every subsequent house he had, I think 15 or 17,000 books in his library when he died. And my brother's gone through all of them and recreated a library in his honor. I was gonna say, Tucker is proud of the fact that whenever he talked about his books that he's read them all, like they're not showpieces. Yes, absolutely. No, they're doggie-ered. They have cocktail napkins in them from special dinners, all sorts of Carlson and Elia picked up throughout the world. So you can pull a book off a shelf and it's like a treasure hunt. But in the meantime, he was taking the time to write you guys little notes in your lunch pails and your lunch bags, like a lyric or a limerick or something just to let you know he cared. So I mean, that's pretty extraordinary, especially given the time. In the 1970s, we hadn't yet gotten the memo that that might be a good thing for a dad to be. He took a great interest in both of us and was highly communicative and always made it very clear that you seek out the truth, you defend the truth. The truth is your best defense. He believed that like few other people have seen. He embodied that in his life. He always, he said, don't waste a moment, don't waste an opportunity and lead an interesting life. That's all he cared about that. And his work ethic was extreme. Never do anything unless you're doing it to the best of your ability. I know that used to be common in the America we grew up in. Don't complain, be an individual, be loyal to the ones you love, to your country, to God. And be surrounded by as many dogs as you can. I know this is your, and you apparently judge people on whether they have a dog. I have two dogs. I'd love to make it just one. If you're in, I know you love dogs so much. I heard you have a red boy. I have a red boy who would love some time out on the hunting circuit with the Carlson's. All right, no, wait, back to you. Can I just interject? It is true. I don't judge people on anything. Look, I'm incredibly flawed human being. I try to lead a virtuous life and a good life and I absolutely believe in God. But like everybody, I've been a sinner and made mistakes. I do not judge other people except on the way they raise their children, whether their children like them because I think you have some control over that. It depends on how much time you spend with your children. If you focus on your children, if you're honest with your children and whether or not you have dogs. I know some people can, but you should if you can. Yes. Sorry, I just wanted to. I love the conversation. Makes me look very good because I have these dogs and I've kept this second dog, notwithstanding tens of thousands of dollars of damage he's done this boy. You name it, he's done it. On the bright side, we found out that he is literally indestructible. So that's my stratbook. Okay. I have a dog just like this. You do? We call her autistic. She's the only like specialty dog. We have a lot of, we have a three legged Dogo Argentina that we inherited, that we adopted. And but she's our only specific dog. She's a quail dog. She's tiny. She's a combination of, actually, can I tell you her provenance story for one second? Yeah. She comes from an enormous piece of property in Florida, privately owned by the same family for like a hundred years and they do a lot of bird shooting on it and it's like 300,000 acres. So it's very well contained. And they've been raising upland bird dogs for 60 years, upland English cockers. And five years ago, a townie Chihuahua broke into the property, found the little bitch. And so my girl is the second generation. She's combination, one quarter Chihuahua, three quarters English cocker and she is absolutely relentless. We call her a effin rascal. She's autistic. She's so loving. You said you're rascal. It has, mine in five years has been in the hospital 42 times. Oh my. The last time she, I was actually repairing a pair of trousers and she leaned over and sucked down a two and a half inch upholstery needle. Oh, come on. And then closed her mouth and I grabbed her mouth and tried to pull it out. It disappeared. I immediately called my brother and I said, oh my gosh, chief swallowed this needle. His first words were, she's had a good life. And I said, no, no, no, I, like, call my vet. That's not helpful. No, it was not helpful at all. And I called my vet and they said, oh, come here now. And I raised it and it made it through her mouth, her esophagus, her throat, into her belly. Oh God. Unmolested, it was not going to go further south after that without damage. And they had, well, I didn't get it. Yeah, they got it. I had to pay someone. Ficked off the throat, dog insurance, very important. Yes. You know, friends of ours had this. They have a Bernie's Mountain Dog. I love her. And the Bernie's Mountain Dog ate, they like to eat socks apparently, they're infamous for this. And mobs. It ate a sock and it needed a surgery to get the sock out because they don't pass the socks. So they had to spend $10,000 on a surgery for the sock, came back home, recovered, ate another one. And the dad said, so the dog's totaled, right? He's totaled. Like, you know, we're not, right? Of course, the, you know, the wife had the Bernie's Mountain Dog back at the vet that afternoon, the dog was not totaled. The dog was saved and the budget was totaled. I know, they're so naughty. I would live in a box on the sidewalk before I would not pay for a surgery. I know, same. We had to pay a couple of Halloween's ago, $7,000 for an endoscopy for Strudwick because he wasn't going to the bathroom at all. We're like, what's going on? That's, and now he's not eating. That's not a good sign. So we take him in, he gets the endoscopy. Do you know, avid listeners to the show know what it was because I posted it in the newsletter. He had eaten one of those wax set of lips that come out around Halloween. We were gluted on this pumpkin. We were making like a funny face on the pumpkin and he got the pumpkin and ate the wax lips. And we just hadn't noticed that it was gone. And that's $7,000 later. Found out it was- He couldn't pass wax. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's like, who can keep up? All right, now back to you and your childhood because I do want to get to this. So you did wind up getting a stepmom. Yes. Who became really your mother. Absolutely. This is, for better or worse, the heir to the Swanson's chicken fortune. Yes. So I mean, it's nice to grow up with some dough, right? Yeah, you got some dough. I mean, I didn't personally. Yeah, but like you grew up around it. They did. I mean, we had a comfortable life growing up for sure. We had an interesting life. My parents didn't spoil us at all. They didn't tolerate any kind of entitlement. I mean, your brother's not even like allowed to use the word I, so I'm sure you were not spoiled. Also strive not to use that. I never, I almost never use that. No. No. It's hard to communicate without it. It is. Yeah, we were blessed because we needed a woman in our life. Yeah. In our life. And she was an extraordinary person and had had an unhappy earlier life, had a weird childhood, but she became a very strong Christian. She was very strong. She would like so many people who were worried about the minutiae and I think moms get some credit for being worried about the little things. And she certainly was and was communicative of it. But whenever there was a big problem, she was probably the calmest in the family and most faithful about that. And she deferred to my father on disciplinary stuff and guidance mostly he assumed that role, but she was a super loving and their love affair was amazing. She made him a better person. She made us better boys and I miss her. Probably better husbands. And yeah, 100%, no doubt about it. And they died within, she proceeded him in death by a year. And I was talking to my son about this yesterday because someone he knows just died, an older couple. I'm saying that is testament to a really loving relationship when you see that, when you see people have married for a long time and one of them dies and the other one just basically surrenders next year. If they know where they're going and they know they're gonna be reunited with the love of their life. That's Doug and I are going hand in hand at 100. Same time, same night. We've got it all planned out. Just God, we worked it out with God. He said it's fine. We haven't been great, but we've been good enough that he said we could have that one. It is the ideal. I know. You know, I'm reminded often that the general mill's inventor of lucky charms, forgot his name, died in a head on collision with his wife next to him in his either, I think early nine days. Probably shouldn't have been driving. Yeah, right. It's a pretty great way to go. I mean, that are like an explosion where you don't know. I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas. I'm just saying like one second you're fine and the next second you've moved on. We do often talk about the apogee of love and how nice that would be, at least for one of us. It would be pretty traumatizing for the other. Yes, there is that. Yes. So now, is it, tell me if you don't wanna go there, but I've heard Tucker talk about the fact that your dad as it turns out may have been in the CIA. Yes, and yes, we didn't know that. We knew that he was adjacent to it. For sure. He worked for the United States Information Agency. Okay, and journalists a lot of times get co-opted. I haven't been co-opted into the CIA, but. And I actually don't think. I'd love to get an offer. 100%. Why not me? Yes, absolutely. No, it didn't happen. It was a much different time. I mean, it was during the Cold War. So we had very clearly defined goals as a country, very clearly defined enemies, very clearly defined principles that we were upholding. So he was a huge believer in America and Americans and our liberty and Christianity. And he was an American patriot for sure. So he never did anything that would have been contrary to that. I don't know the extent of it. I only know that we got confirmation for sure. Tucker and I had talked about it periodically in our lives because my father knew a lot of people in that world. So they were around us a lot. But we never confronted him about it, which is weird because we talked to him about absolutely everything. Never asked him that. And then a week after he died, someone contacted us, wrote us a letter about it, wrote us a letter about his service. Oh, really? Yes, it was. That's pretty noble. I thought so. I'll let you know that there was this piece of him that was also incredible and... It was worth celebrating. Yeah, dynamic and I'm sure, fascinating. Did he have any detail? Like, was he able to enrich it all? He had not enough detail. No. No. And it's been a year or so I haven't... You should spend the next year looking into that and then write a book about it. My father's life was so book worthy and he wrote a number of books actually, but he wrote also a number of books that hadn't been published and he's just... So yes, I'd like to dedicate some time in my life to investigating that further and writing about it. Well, I'll tell you, when I was a kid, so my dad was a professor at First Syracuse University in then Sunni Albany and he taught education. But he flew all over the world to Iran. He was down in Indonesia. He was all in these like weird places for a college professor. So we always wondered, does he have some sort of secret government role? And he was a great shot, even though we weren't big hunters or anything like that. So it was like sort of a running joke in our family and I was recently telling my kids about it and my daughter got so excited about it. She asked ChatGPT or one of the AIs, how do you find out if your grandpa was in the CIA? And the answer was ask your parents. I love it. And that turned out to be a dead end. That failed. I have no idea. I don't think so. Not that I know of. There's always like weird signs and academics were used during the 70s and the 80s for that kind of thing because they could travel without suspicion. Same as journalists. Yes. But my mom says it's not true and I have no way of knowing whether it's true. And again, they never came calling on me Buckley. So if he was in the CIA, I guess he wasn't, he must have been a disappointment. Otherwise they would have. I feel like they would have at least given me the letter. Yes. I didn't get the letter. That's pretty great. Anyway. Tucker has assailed endlessly and I've been assailed endlessly as a fed. It's like. It's like the new, you're either a vet or you're gay. That's the, that's the, what they throw at you. Or a grifter. That assertion though, that second one, it's sure, I had never knew how many there were. I mean, well beyond, you know. How many hidden gay people? Lindsey Graham, yeah. What is it about elected politics and what is it about the Republican Party specifically that encourages them? I mean, we need to have, deviant sexual life should not be part of government service because it obviously, obviously you've got weird priorities, but it opens you up to lots of leverage, obviously. So is it, do they recruit people who have deviant sexual lives? Or is there something about, you know, power people? If you are out as a gay man in 2026 America, you're fine, no one cares. But if you're hiding it. I think you're still celebrated. Yes, exactly. I think isn't that the norm or isn't that the ideal? If you're married to a woman and you're gay, it's a much bigger deal. Absolutely. And we have so many of those who are obviously with beards. You know, it's like, we know she's a, who, I don't understand the women who volunteer to be a beard. Like, you know you're a beard. We can tell just from your husband's affect and the way he behaves that he's gay, you sleep with him. So you can definitely tell. So why would you agree to that? So, somebody needs to just study on that. I don't understand it. And by the way, yes, no one, no one successfully keeps that hidden. It's obvious to anyone. Well, I mean, it's on Team Dem. You still, you have a lot who are, like I understand closeted Republicans because it seems to be it's the party that's a little bit more traditionally conservative in terms of its, you know, social behaviors. The Democrats are like, you know, they're celebrating men with breasts and they are saying, you know, referring to women as just vagina havers. I mean, it's like that you can be anything and be elected as a Democrat. And yet, I don't know. It seems pretty clear to me. It's just my opinion. James Talereco seems on fire. Yes. Claims he's straight. Cory Booker and his weird fake wedding photos that he looks very gay. Sorry, I just, maybe I'm wrong. I'm just saying, that's how you project. We could be here a while if we get on the list. I don't, in 2026 America, this is unnecessary. Yes, absolutely. Anyway, yeah, Lindsay, that's another one. But that's probably the most offensive because he's set on camera that he'd be perfectly willing, not just perfectly willing, but eager to send your children to fight Israel's war. Why is that acceptable? I'm really holding out hope. I woke up one of my early prayers this morning was that the excellent voters of South Carolina will reject Lindsey Graham in this primary today and Mark Lynch and we'll see. I've seen some encouraging numbers. It's kind of hard to believe. I hope you're right. I don't know. What do you think's gonna happen with Graham Platner from Maine state you have? I think it seems inevitable he's gonna be in. He's gonna beat Susan Collins. Doesn't, yeah. Yeah, seems like. I mean, obviously today's just a primary, but the general's coming up in November. And how will that affect the GOP caucus, I wonder, because she's such a reliable conservative. I mean, I know you've been talking a lot about the uniparty lately and you have a decent point. It's like, how will any of this affect any of our lives in any material way? When 88% of the country wants transparency in elections, they want safe elections and they've just given up on that. I guess now they have given up on it completely. It's dead. The save act will not be revived. Is that, that's what I understand. Yeah, I know it's dead. But yet on a voice vote, they can basically confirm that our military and Israel's military should be merged. Yeah, yeah, that we're now, there's some sort of merger happening, especially when it comes to intelligence. Which at a time in which the poll was just out today that fewer Americans are supportive of Israel than ever before it's finally flipped. And the numbers were vastly in Israel's favor. The majority, well over 50%, it was like 57%. I think around October 7th of 23 when they were attacked and it's completely flipped now. So why would we be getting closer to them militarily? Why don't the American people have say in that? Yes, absolutely, they're pretty clear about it. 66% or something of Americans say that we're too closely. Well, and it was like a favor versus unfavor when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Do I have it here? I'll try to find it. Let's stand by. I don't know, I have so many things that I screen grabbed, I can't find it, but I'll get it for you and we can talk about it. Well, on the heels of the anniversary, since this is kind of a good opener, I don't know if you realize, obviously, Thomas Mazza gave the speeches, the first member of Congress actually to recognize the victims of the USS Liberty 59 years later. The very first one to ever do that in Congress. And he had 12 survivors in the chambers with him and he asked, he wants to pass a resolution that says let's have an original investigation. Do you know that Donald Trump has never once spoken publicly about not issued a tweet, not issued any talking point about the USS Liberty? And no one else in the caucus, no one else in Congress. Rokan has gotten close, but as far as I can tell from this morning, not a single person has said that they would support the victims of the USS Liberty when it's clear that Israel attacked our men. Clear that the US president at the time, LBJ actually approved of the Sixth Fleet turning around and leaving them to be attacked further and learned last night from a FOIA request from someone that actually it's in writing that the US government had considered sinking the remains of the USS Liberty so no one could take a picture of the USS Liberty and thereby damage public perception of Israel and question our relationship with Israel. It was back in 1967. Wow. But I was shocked, sorry, I was shocked that not a single other elected official in America has the balls or has, yeah, the balls were the patriotism or the compassion to even recognize these guys who've been so trampled upon, except for being killed, but they've been thoroughly disrespected in the worst kind of way with our own government. You can say whatever you want about our government, but not theirs. Yes. I mean, I think most of us have learned that firsthand the hard way. Yes. I mean, I have been absolutely brutal on our own presidents from Barack Obama to Joe Biden. And of course I've been critical of Donald Trump where he deserves it too. And no problem, some people don't like the Trump stuff, but okay, fine, I'm allowed to say it. And most of my audience says, fine, we understand sometimes you're critical, sometimes you're supportive, but you get to Israel and there is a certain faction of the conservative movement who will tell you it's a hard no, that you're a grifter, that whatever, you get the bots. I see you're getting attacked by the bots nonstop online too. And there's like an apparatus that immediately turns on you. So who is that? Who is effectively trying to veto anything, whether it's Tom Massey's congressional seat or a podcaster like me or Tucker trying to talk about this or you on social media raising these points. Who's doing that? I'm this little guy in social media? Well, I mean, they've been pretty upfront actually. I mean, it's been written about how much money they've devoted. I would say it's our money because we entirely support Israel. So any money they have to set aside $750 million in a propaganda campaign or hiring Brad Parscale. Yeah. It's kind of shocking actually. Who runs Salem media and had to register as a foreign agent for a foreign government. And I seem to recall actually when he ran the second the Trump reelect that like millions of dollars had disappeared from the campaign. I'm obviously not assailing him personally but it seems odd that he would be in charge of it. That I don't know. Oh yes. Many millions of dollars disappeared from the Trump campaign apparently and he was in charge of it. So the idea that he's now got a lot of time in his hands and he's upfront about being a paid law, at least he's upfront about being paid law. Yeah. Well, apparently it was so significant he had no choice. I mean, it's the ones who are, you really have to worry about are like the ones who are taking boatloads of dough and don't disclose and are just trying to get away with it. And then there are the other ones where it's like less of an official relationship but they just need the pat on the head buckly. They just need those little snaps that they get from the Israel firsters of like, thank you so much for defending Israel. You know what? It's fine to be critical of Israel. Like how is it some sin to have an issue with Israel's foreign policy or Israel getting us into a war? How does that make you immediately an anti-Semite or a bad person? I question the people who are uniformly defensive of a foreign country or even of our country. I grew up in Southern California on the border with Mexico. Mexico has been flooded by Mexicans. The Mexican government has been complicit in pushing people into our country. The Mexican government has pushed a ton of fentanyl into our country. Mexican government has had an incredibly bad effect on America and on the West. If you say that, do people say, oh, you hate Mexicans? Yeah, right. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Like treat people as individuals. You know, hold people responsible for their actions. Hold governments responsible for their actions. I'm sorry, we're supposed to hate Vladimir Putin, but we're not allowed to criticize Bibinette Nyahu when he's less popular in his own country than he and less popular here. Yeah. No, it's, I don't know how it's, it's not defensible on its face. So I don't know how these people can make that argument that you're an anti-Semite or hate Jews because you're questioning a foreign power that has had such an effect and has a sort of a stranglehold, obviously, not just on our foreign policy, but has a huge effect on Donald Trump and the rest of the elected officials who've neglected and are disdainful towards the American people who gave them this power, who put them in power and then tolerated them thus far, but don't seem like they have a huge appetite for tolerating it going forward. No, it seems clear Trump wants this war done. Yes. And the real question now is whether that will be allowed. Do you think it's a sign of strength for him to say as he did last week, I'm the one who holds the power. I'm the one who holds the power. Not really. No, I've never heard of anybody in your own, in your marriage, I'm sure you guys don't call each other to death. No, me, me. Yeah, no, it's not great. You can see he's frustrated with the messaging around this. You know, he's, he doesn't like people to think that he's being controlled by Netanyahu. That's obvious. Right now they're sort of publicly feuding, not really, but Trump is, you know, he, obviously he let it leak that he had this contentious phone call with Netanyahu which he swore at him. He wants him to stop bombing Lebanon, but Israel says it's Lebanon that's bobbing up, not Lebanon, but Hezbollah that's bombing us and we have the right to defend ourselves. And now we just got Mark Levin, who's basically the mouthpiece for Israel, whatever he's saying is what Israel once said, who came out last night and was sort of attacking President Trump, I'm gonna show you what he's saying. And my only question for you really, Buckley, is he actually turning on Trump because Trump, the neocons really want Trump to double down on the fighting with Iran. They want bombs away. Let's wipe them into the next century. And he's not gonna do that, reportedly. So it's either his frustration that Trump's not gonna do that that we're about to see, or there are some people online who believe like Cenk Wieger was suggesting, is this some sort of an op where they're trying to make it look like they're feuding and they're actually about to do a new bombing? There are some reports about some movements, I think of the 82nd Airborne and whether they're getting a little too close to Karg Island. I don't know, you listen to Mark Levin, you tell me whether this is real. Maybe we'll know once the negotiators have been killed. Oh yes, yes. That's always a good sign. That's a good tell. All right, here he is. I don't know why the president of the United States feels they need to keep going to left-wing reporters and talking about confidential conversations he has with the prime minister of Israel. And I don't know why he keeps bashing the prime minister of Israel, who's trying to protect his country and his own people. Just a few weeks ago, their fighter jets were fighting right alongside ours. The Mossad was working with the CIA and of course the prime minister was working with the president in what was a spectacular military operation. I know the president is deeply desperate for a deal. The Iranians know he's deeply desperate for a deal. The whole world knows he's deeply desperate for a deal. Got it. And Israel's told it can only fight a defensive war and Israel's told to stay away from Beirut even though the head of the snake is right outside of Beirut. The hypocrisy of our country that wouldn't put up with it in the treatment of that country is ridiculous. In fact, we don't ask any other country to do that, none. So why the constant beating up of Netanyahu? In fact, there was an announcement from the White House last night saying we had nothing to do with this. Our military's not involved and I commented, well, that's nothing to be proud of. Our military's not involved. Their military wouldn't exist without the largest of the American taxpayer. He's just talking about the latest strikes. Right, of course. I also thought it was interesting that he said that Mossad and the CIA had been working together. Oh, that's a novel idea. I think they've been bedfellows for a long time. Do I think it's an op? I don't know. I mean, it's hard to believe, again, he's out there testing messages, obviously, that Mark Levin is in the crudest and, boy, I'm glad I've got low blood pressure because just listening to his voice, I can't believe he's got a career on radio. It's not the most grating, irritating, whiny nonsense I've heard. He's gonna abandon Trump in about two seconds if Trump does not go through with another bombing campaign. Well, he's fluctuated a lot in his support or attacks of Trump. I mean, he wasn't anti-, never Trump or for so long. Oh yeah, he hated Trump. Not just Trump the man, but actually the perfectly achievable MAGA program that Trump should be focused on and is engaging in a war that's gonna be a helpful. No, I think the Levinse of the world treat Trump like he's, I don't wanna say useful idiot because I'm not sure they view him that disdainfully, but certainly just like a useful tool to enact their neocon agenda. And now that Trump has realized this is a disaster for the United States, and I think he'd like to have it back if he could get it back, they're starting to ramp it up. This is not okay. It's not okay. Do you think, by the way, do you think that's an opportunity for him? Do you think it's gone too far? Do you think if he pulled out of Iraq in a way that we were able to maintain our interest, pull that over run, obviously, to maintain our interests in the region and focus on American priorities and push Israel away, and so we're no longer tolerating this. Do you think the base, do you think Americans would actually give him a pass? I don't feel. I don't think so, but I think it would be a lot better than doubling down and getting us further entrenched and, God forbid, seeing more blood and treasure spilled on the lands of Iran, not to mention what's happening with our economy. I mean, I just think at this point, it's like stop the bleeding, but we can't double down on bleeding. All right, stand by. We got it 10 seconds until our break, and then we come back and Buckley stays with us for our second hour as well. There's a ton still to go over. Don't go away. Okay, time for an uncomfortable reality, quickly. What happens financially to our loved ones once we are no longer here? We put off thinking about it because who wants to think about it? But the best thing we can do for our family is to ensure they are not left with a financial burden of a mortgage, tuition, medical bills, and all the rest of it, and it's so simple. 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My hairstylist, Sarah, does not want to hear one more word about the Strait of Hormuz. She calls it the Strait of Hormuz. Every time I talk about it, I'm like, she speaks for us all, right? Like, I care about my life. I don't care about the Strait of Hormuz, but I must talk about it because we appear to be launching another war. This helicopter was shot down and there was a question about whether it was one of ours and who did it. It was one of ours. The president has just confirmed this in a post on Truth Social. I have just been informed, he writes, by our great military that last night the Iranians shot down one of our highly sophisticated Apache helicopters while patrolling over the Strait of Hormuz. There were two pilots involved. Both are safe and uninjured. Thank God. Nevertheless, the U.S. must of necessity respond to this attack. Thank you for your attention to this matter, President Donald J. Trump. So this is what Professor Pape would call the escalation trap that he's been warning about since the launch of this war, that it's kind of like whether you want it or not. It's coming. Yeah. Yes. Once you launch a war. When Donald Trump said it was confirmed by our military, did he mean that was the intelligence that's so valuable that we get from Israel? Could it have been? I mean, why wouldn't their intelligence be superior to ours when it comes to what happened last night in the Strait of Hormuz? Someone famous yesterday said, I heard this great quote last night, late last night, that Benjamin Netanyahu's political life is dependent upon extending this war. Yeah. Donald Trump's political life is dependent upon ending it. It's been clear from the beginning. Why would he ever saddle the America's fortunes with another country? It doesn't matter if we're supposed friends and great allies. I'd argue that there's a lot of evidence that we aren't, and they've displayed, they've proven that during these last three months of this war. I would also say not attacking you at all or your hairstylist, and I totally agree, people who are not familiar with the Strait of Hormuz until three months ago. But it is important in that it's had a huge effect on everyday Americans and their economic lives. I know. It costs literally 50% more now than it did three months ago to fill your car. Yeah. And she was saying, all I care about is that it costs $120 to fill my gas tank now. Oh, gosh. Like cheddar cheese, bacon is like 15 bucks a pound. I mean, that is not sustainable, and it's apparently going to get a lot worse, obviously, with the lack of oil, lack of fertilizer, lack of all the things that the world needs. The rarest of which are coming out of there. Helium. I know, and unfortunately, this is exactly what Netanyahu wants. He wants this to continue. They are served by chaos in the Middle East and by Iran being bogged down in war. And frankly, by us being bogged down in war, we are not. And President Trump definitely is not. The Republican Party definitely is not. And the president, so as we, this is so perfect, isn't it? As we go to break, we're talking about how the neocons are getting mad at Trump because he doesn't want to escalate things in Iran. He wants this thing to end. He's finally pushing back on them, whether it's Netanyahu or Mark Levin. And we go to break and this drops on Truso. Wait, actually, we're back in. And we must respond. I don't know. They have a way of getting their way. So hopefully this will be quick and not too escalatory. But this is what happens. I keep going back to what General Stan McChrystal said at the beginning of our invasion of Iran or whatever you want to call it, which was, I hope you really enjoy the bomb dropping phase of the war for those of you who are in support of this because as war goes, that's the best phase. You get to do a lot of damage from the air. You don't tend to lose a lot of men. And you hit a lot of targets, given the great precision and strength of our American military. And then it stops going well. Yes, yes. I would just say the last couple, I agree with everything you said completely. I'm shocked also to the extent to which we have Trump has undermined the rationale for American power in the region. And I think it's, last night, a great example was Iran actually got in the middle of Lebanon and Israel and protected the Lebanese from the incessant shelling from Israel. And then if you consider the situation in the rest of the Gulf countries and how these countries understood that their association with America guaranteed their security, their physical security, but their economic security as well. And then we have completely failed to provide for them. So obviously the wreckage of this perfectly short war at the moment that is clearly about to get a lot worse has been demonstrably bad and does seem to be getting so much worse. And it was clearly anticipated even by people who only would have to study it for a moment to recognize what the effects would be. And people around Donald Trump certainly knew, and Donald Trump should have known. And given all this past commentary on the subject, he clearly did know. I mean, I think it's been interesting because I've listened to, like my friends at National Review, and I love Rich Lowry, I think he's a good guy. He was very, very pro when this first happened. He came on the show and he was pro. I was against and, you know, we talked about it like friends and he said why he was pro and they're neoconny. They're not neocons exactly, but they're neoconny. They're hawks, I think it's fair to say at NR. And they don't like what they're seeing at all anymore. They realize this hasn't worked out. I've been listening to their show and I read NR. And even they are like, this turned out to be not great idea because of the way it was executed. And because of the Strait of Hormuz, which they did take over, they've realized they have this a massive economic nuclear bomb. If they don't have an actual nuclear bomb and they're not afraid to use it and so on. And I think President Trump has realized the same. I think there are a lot of hawks who are realizing I wanted to support the president. I listened to what he said, but here we are three months later with no end in sight and gas prices through the roof and energy prices affecting everything else coming down the pike on goods that were already inflationary that he hadn't managed to get down. I actually just had a meeting with my financial advisors that was very interesting Buckley because they were like, the prices are not going to come down. They were years at all. They were like, they were explaining inflation to me in a way no one had ever done so before saying the inflation rate has come down. It was at 9% under Biden and now it's three in change under Trump. But the price of the goods is not coming back down. The goods went up in price and they're going to stay high in price. And then they had an argument for why as an economic matter, you could say that's not that's a good thing. Otherwise you have deflation, which is also problematic for the economy. But the American public, I think was expecting some of their grocery bills to come down under President Trump. And the cold hard reality is they're not going to. And now the inflationary scale is going back up because of the war that we launched. Those are the realities. I don't know how to fix them at this point other than stop doing the one thing that's driving them up. Yes. And even then, even if you opened up the straight up from those tomorrow and it was free and clear for 20% of the world's oil. How many years does it take? Did your financial advisors say because I've read it's like the three or four years to get back on track. And as you pointed out, those prices are never coming down again. And people had still been trying to recover from the obscene inflation underneath the under the Biden administration's mismanagement. And that they had every right, obviously, to expect that Trump one could do it and two would spend a lot of time thinking about how to do it. Disperity. Well, they were making the point that the one that Trump makes, which is the market is doing really well. And we've been talking on this show about how well, I mean, great, but like the average Joe is not heavily positioned in the market. He's worried about paying his bills. He lives paycheck to paycheck. He hasn't been on a vacation a long time. And they also pointed out the other thing, which, you know, has been in the news credit card debt of sky high right now, which is another leading indicator that that regular people are suffering that they're having. They're not like going on massive spending sprees of sacks. They're using those cards to pay their bills. Yeah, groceries. Yeah. Absolutely. At the same time, the healthcare industry is imploding and people are getting nothing for the dollars they're spending. And their premiums are going way up because the Obamacare subsidies are going away. Yes. And American hospitals are failing for a lot of reasons, but thanks to like crazy immigration policy, obviously, very few people talk about. Well, think of your. Also the scam with the nonprofit hospitals who, you know, are, I don't know if you know much about. I don't. The nonprofit hospitals in America who are required to provide this benefit to the surrounding communities in which they live actually don't. The experience has degraded enormously. And at the same time, the administrative hospital administration salaries, everything has skyrocketed. Well, of course. Yeah, wait times, even quality of care is drastic. Well, I was going to say the only thing worse than this conversation and the realities of it would be to be a conservative or a Republican experience and all of this in LA. Where no matter what you do, it's never going to change. They will make sure. Yes, despite the will of the people. I mean, they've had a long period. Despite the recent clear vote stealing, whatever it is, it's vote stealing. Obviously. I was like, I don't. I was thinking about this. I'm like, you could call it fraud. I think a more accurate word would just be cheating. Yes, absolutely. I don't think they're actively fooling anyone in the way of fraud would, you know, yes, they're just cheating. That's how it looks to me. And there are all sorts of reports of how Steve Hilton said this yesterday and he was 100% right. We went back and fact checked in my team. Did you know you have to get your ballot in by voting day postmarked by voting day. We knew that that's an outrage. You don't actually have it. Have to have it postmarked. You can write the date that you put it in the mail on the exterior. So you could have voting days Tuesday. You could have a Thursday postmark, but as long as you've written on it Tuesday, whatever voting day was, they'll accept it. I looked at the law myself. It's insane. And there are all sorts of reports of them going to these Democrat groups are so well organized going to homeless people. You don't actually have a signature. You can have an X or a line for your signature as long as you have a witness who says they saw you sign it. And who are these witnesses? You know, it's like basically Acorn. Those remember that group. Oh, very well. It's groups like that. So there, that's why in my opinion, you see all these votes coming in that I could buy Democrat. The Democrat overtakes the Republicans. It's California. It's LA. I don't buy Nithya Raman way more than Karen Bass, their existing mayor, who by the way happens to be black and a woman too. I mean, Nithya is Indian. I just don't, I don't buy that. No one even knew who that was a month ago. She cried on election night because she lost and she knew it. Yes. So they, we know what they're doing. And then you have people are like, there's no proof, you know, what's her name? Kristen Welker was like to Trump. There's no proof. There's not going to be proof this close to the actual vote. Like we actually need to do an investigation, look at the votes. The ones that are getting rejected right now in LA, we're told are the Republican votes for Pratt, where those, the volunteers are triple checking those signatures just to make sure it was actually you. All these Republicans online saying they got theirs back, like a call from somebody saying didn't check out. It's just, it's, it smells to high heaven. Yes, it does. No, it's disgusting. And they've had, there's no defense of it. That's why they don't understand. There's no defense of it and Trump has power and they have both houses of Congress. They should be able to do something about it. Plus they have an attorney general in California. Why isn't he held to account for that? Well, they're looking, the U.S. attorney is looking into it right now, although not with a lot of cooperation. The state officials don't want the feds interfering in their election processes. Can you blame them? It's been working out so well for them. They're like, stay out of it. This is about states rights. Suddenly federalists. Yes. They just have to leave. And even Steve Hilton now has officially been declared one of the last two standing on the gubernatorial race, which is great. Love Steve. They're not going to vote for Steve. There's just no way they're going to vote for him over Javier Becerra. And even if Spencer Pratt had made it into the final two, would that machine have allowed him to be Karen Bass? Of course not. It just all feels so hopeless sometimes. And so manufactured. And they're not even artful about it. I remember corruption or stealing used to be, you know, subterfuge and artful. The good old days. Yes, absolutely. Right? It was a beauty to it. Partially plausible. Now none of it's plausible. People are getting dispirited over it. And so I don't know what the answer is, but someone had better do something about it. I think you got to do what you did and leave California. That's where you were raised. You think they'd start paying attention at some point. You're right. California had had an influx of people throughout its entire history up until COVID. Then it had this massive exodus and then they're losing tons of money and they're going to be suffering at some point. You would think the government I mean, who extracts all this wealth and projects. I mean, you would think, I mean, as they say, the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money, but they seem to really want us to elevate their outgoing governor to president. The Democrats are open minded to that too. No one's saying on their team, like, what do you mean? He bankrupted California. They have homeless people everywhere. He ruined two of the top's greatest cities in the world, San Francisco and LA, which is burned down to its stubs in huge parts of it. Crushed people during COVID, engaged in some of the most absurd COVID policies anywhere. Yes. Actually, you should be held accountable. The homelessness and the crime alone should be a deal breaker, but it's not. I don't like the hairline can only take one so far. Or are we kidding ourselves about that? He's actually Gavin Newsom is the perfect candidate, though, if you think about it, because he's such a chameleon and has no principles whatsoever. He's reasonably articulate. He's reasonably handsome. I mean, he knows his way around a microphone and on television prompter, obviously. What's with this, though? He's constantly with the hands. Where did that go to this school? Something very strange with how he never stops with the hand motions like the guy who's landing the jet plane at JFK. And is it supposed to be hypnotic? Because I actually feel kind of ill or a puzzle. I think it's nerves. Oh, really? Do I get the sense they go to some special school where they're learning how to gesticulate? It's one of two things. It's either nerves or it's lying. He's definitely incapable of the latter, I think, at all times. Phil Houston, the spy-the-lie guy. He wrote the books by the lie, 25 years CIA. Yes. He's figuring out who is a double agent by, you know, questioning them internally and figuring out which terrorists who were supposedly helping us were actually working still for the other side. So this guy knows how to detect lies. And one of the things he says is hands above the midline, moving around. And the reason is when you lie, it's like an adrenaline surge in your body and it can't stay in there. It has to shoot out somehow. It can shoot out through your fingers. It can shoot out through your ears. Through your extremities, people, liars will often touch like their ear or their nose. If their legs are crossed, they'll start doing the leg kick when they lie. Oh, yeah. He's got all sorts of tapes of people. But I actually think when I look at Gavin Newsom, it's like one big lie and it's all of his nervous energy shooting out of his fingers. Or he's just a very nervous public speaker who's learned to mask it somehow in his delivery, but not in his body motions. Oh, I like that. I've never seen that. I never read that. I like that theory. I think I've passed the test. Yeah, you haven't moved a second. Being nice and docile. Do you, is there any Democrat you could ever vote for? Gosh, there used to be, there used to be a number of Southern Democrats I really liked. I'm trying to think, there is a Congresswoman in California actually who, thank for a name, she's recent. Rokana has been reasonable on a number of things. I've admired him. I've admired his courage. I generally can't think of any, any America loving, reasonable, honest people on the left. Of course, anybody who attacks Donald Trump is now a leftist or a Soviet show or an Israel hater. So you'd think that I would have some experience with that. No, I can't actually think of any reasonable Democrats. I'm sure there must be some, but I'm not aware of any beyond. Well, what do you make of somebody like a grand platinum in Maine who it has been saying like, we're done with the Israel lobby nonsense, which is good. Yes. But also wants to stack the Supreme Court packet with an extra three justices is like, and the love affairs over. Oh, that's, wait, no. I don't like, what do people do? There are a lot of people listening to show all young Republicans now, a vast majority of young Republicans even are Israel skeptical. So they're looking for somebody. They're not, they don't want to pack the Supreme Court. You know what I mean? Like how do we find the candidate? We kind of had him in Thomas Massey and he just got bounced out. Yes. Who doesn't say that the lunatic things like that second part, but is finally going to try to put an end to this weird, unhealthy relationship we have. I don't care what it used to be. Right now it's toxic and they're dragging us into wars. So it's got to be controlled and they control all of our politicians. I don't what do you have noticed? So what do we do? Who do we vote for? I don't know about now who we vote for now. I do know it's going to, it's a cleansing process for politics going forward. Clearly both the parties have, I hate the term, but it's, I think accurate here, but clown themselves. They do not represent their voters. They don't represent the vast majority of Americans. Literally as they're going to have to be some benchmarks for any national candidates are just going to have to say right up front won't take any foreign money, won't take any lobbyist money from corporations. And they're going to have to articulate their faith in American heritage, American culture, American values, American language. I think that's a great start. And I don't think that would have happened if we hadn't gotten in this, if we hadn't gotten in been dragged into this war. Because I do think that some people, for instance, during the campaign or during Trump's entire first term, when he used to talk about the deep state and the swamp, people could actually dismiss it. You and I wouldn't or other people were paying attention. And I think that's really, really is there really a supernatural, natural, national deep state that controls things beyond those that you vote for. And some people could dismiss that. But now actually Donald Trump's actions over the last 19 months, and most especially his inactions on the domestic front, on behalf of people who voted for him and the Americans who've trusted him, revealed that there is in fact, incontrovertibly, this power structure behind the scenes that most people were not aware of somewhere. Things like big pharma. Yes. Big ag. Big ag. Big tech. The fact that you're being completely, that you're being surveyed at all times, that you're being poisoned at all times. The fact that we're moving inexorably towards, you know, fake currency that they can control. Not to mention AI that's going to wipe out all of our children's jobs. Yes. And not a single person in national offices articulating how they all seem thrilled by it. And then you see, and then of course there's the corruption that is just out in the open now. But anyway, but people are aware people are like, yes, this doesn't work. Democratic Party, there, it might actually bring people together. Actually, it's revealed that there's this uniparty power structure. Because no matter what you say in public or no matter whom you vote for, you're still getting the program that benefits someone else other than the American people. That's just so obvious now. So transparency declaration of no foreign money. And then maybe we could also stop electing people who have deviant sexual lives, people who do in fact believe in God, people who embrace life, people who didn't aspire to power their entire lives, like class presidents who rise through staffers. And Congress for their entire careers, maybe people who've actually employed others and people who are married and have children and display the kind of values that represent this old school. Yeah. I mean, so in that sense, I think it's there's hope. Yes, it's always like the Phoenix always comes up from the ashes. Yes. So it does seem like you have to burn it down. Yeah, I mean, it was burning. So it's like if it's going to burn down might as well throw the accelerant on there, get it over with and start over. Absolutely. Slow death is not a good death. I don't know. It's like I, I don't know. Maybe I'm just naive because I just feel like, okay, Trump ran for office on a very positive agenda that I was very much behind. He's completely blown up the Middle East promises and then no war promises. That's obvious. He does seem very much attuned to what those massive interest groups want him to do. All politicians basically are or have to be otherwise they can't get elected. Like that's it's very rare to find the man who can say, I'm not taking any of their money and I don't care what they have to say and can get elected. Like their money controls everything. It manipulates us at every turn, whether we know it or not. So like you can have an honest guy like that say something like that, like a Massey, I think Rand Paul is also honest. Like I do think he's got his principles and he votes on his principles. He doesn't give a shit whether you like them or not. Very much so. So he's gotten up to that level. U.S. Senate. He's had, you know, none of the Pauls has ever been able to cross over to the next level. So I guess I'm still clinging to the hope that Trump can get back to at least the pieces of the agenda that aren't controlled by those people. You know, like maybe we can like I'm concerned because the Easter breakfast tape that was leaked of Trump talking to the group was Trump saying the government federal government really can't do anything other than foreign policy. And that seemed to be a moment of honesty for him. He's not totally wrong either. If we're being honest and fair to Tim, like the federal government really can't do that much, at least not without 60 votes in the U.S. Senate. It does require, well, they should get rid of the filibuster. It does seem clear that they should. They can't. They don't have the votes to. Right. I know. They don't even have 51 Republicans. No, I'm aware, but yes, that debate has been ongoing for the last 15 years. I should do something about it. He's right, I think, but to address it, you have to fix it. You have to address it. You have to focus on it. You have to declare that it's a priority for you as he did during the campaign and he's been so distracted by the war for Israel. So he has some obviously his power. He's revealed this to his power. The power of the chief executive in America is not only diminished, but it's revealed to have been well diminished what people expected. But if he pivoted, if he solved this problem in the Middle East by disengaging from Israel and returned his focus to a domestic focus, there's a lot to address here in America. He addressed it well. He articulated a path forward that wasn't going to be easy, but that was achievable and that was supported. By not just the coalition that voted for him, by the way, as you know better than most, a coalition that had really never been assembled in our demographic America and our lifetimes. So many people love this country. So many people have worked really hard and sacrificed for this. So many people before Donald Trump. And he needs to recalibrate. He needs to refocus on American Americans and he will be able to affect some change if he does that. I actually don't have any faith that he will. I think he's demonstrated that he can't. The most positive thing you said was the small executive. That's what we need. Yes. That's what we need. I don't want a big presidency at all. Whether it's Trump or anybody else. Like pick the politician you most deeply admire, whoever it is. I don't want them to have a big presidency. Like let's shrink it down. Like politics was supposed to be controlled at the local level. The states were supposed to be more autonomous. It's only in recent, a modern American history that we've gotten into this weird cult of personality around the president and we're all focused on our president and we like to imbue him with all sorts of powers with his magic wand to come in and do things like crime fighting at the local level. It's mostly probably the media's fault for not focusing at all on state and local elections where differences actually can be made and who wins the state house actually has far more effect on your life than who wins the white house. Yes. It is a cultural problem though because it used to be a part time legislature and it government, the federal government is not there to do anything other than protect the homeland and you know keep the currency and the economy running basically. I mean, obviously it has other roles but it should generally be, it should not be involved in every aspect of Americans lives as it is now. Someone said to me the other day they were talking about all the various regulatory stuff and they're like I could build a shed in my, I tried to build a shed in my backyard and the government showed up and told me I couldn't because it didn't meet all of these various requirements and yet, and yet our government just gets away with. Did he build the shed anyway? No. Oh, too bad. Yeah, they live in the wrong state. It's one of those things like, Mike Rowe is always lamenting that we've gotten to this weird safety culture. Now, I mean, if you've applied for a permit and it's been denied, then you really are taking a risk of it and find by your locals if you build it anyway. So I take the point, but do you ever find yourself standing at the stop sign when you're trying to cross and no one's coming or red light and you don't go and you're like, never. What am I doing? Committed Jay Walker. So I find myself like, what am I doing? Now walk, walk, you're fine. Like we've gotten too compliant. I think we've gotten too compliant. Oh, there's no doubt about it. I mean, I'm getting harangued by people not wearing a mask outside in the rain during COVID walking in the park with my dogs. People need to be individually responsible for their own actions, individually responsible for the lives and the safety of their children and their families and need to toughen up. Obviously. And you can't look to the state to protect you. One that's very clear. The state is not going to protect you as a dog owner. You're not going to call the cops if you have someone outside your house and shoot your dog and probably shoot you. If I opened the door and my dog ran out there, they'd be terrified for a good 30 seconds until he licked them and get snuggled them and gave him his paws. 100%. But there's a good chance they might shoot him on the way. Yeah, right. It's terrible. No, a small. Yes, a small federal government. I hope it's achievable. As you said earlier, maybe the only option is it has to emulate. Yeah. Well, all right. I want to, I want to talk about another big piece of news, which is Carmelo Anthony. This is a story that we've been following closely here and it kind of relates to where we kicked off the show, which is this. Everything's been reduced to race, you know, whether it's Henry Novak or it's what happened in Northern Ireland or now what's happening down in Frisco, Texas, where the case is now with the jury. I'll take a break and then we'll come back and we'll talk about what happened in the closing arguments where I maintain it's just going terribly for the defense, but it did get interesting in the defense's closing argument. I've given the jury something to latch on to if it wants to. And as I pointed out earlier, they've given them a manslaughter charge to consider now, which is a good thing for Carmelo Anthony. 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The defense asked for manslaughter to be added is a possible new charge in the charging documents. The judge, John Roach Jr. ruled on Tuesday that the jury may indeed consider it along with murder. That's very, very good for the defense because this guy looks, I mean, unless some massive jury nullification happens, there's going to be a conviction here. The proof was overwhelming. The defense was pathetic. And if they get the manslaughter charge, that's very good because at least then you got a chance of heart strings of the jury. The defendant is only 17 at the time he commits the crime. He does not have a criminal history. He doesn't seem to have been in trouble with the law prior to this. By any reports, what makes you so callous, you stab a knife into a 17 year old boy's heart who taps you to say you have to leave his tent is something we're going to have to deal with here. But it is very possible that they'll go for the manslaughter charge. Here is what we heard in the final arguments, the defense and the closing argument. The guy's name is Mike Howard representing him. He's not legal aid, by the way. There are some reports online because people produced a GoFundMe for him that had $600,000 to $900,000 in it. And everyone online, a lot of people are out late, outraged saying he wound up with a public defender. What did he do with the money? Because they were at this mansion, he and his parents and his family for the past year pending this case. And it turns out they were renting that place. They did use some of that money, but they are paying this lawyer. He used to be legal aid, but now he's in private practice. He's not impressive. I'm sorry, Mike Howard, you're not. Began his closing argument today and ended it as well. The jury has the case saying Austin Metcalfe, he's the dead boy. He's the victim. He had no legal right to use force to eject Carmelo Anthony from that tent. He had the right to ask him to leave, but he didn't have any legal right to use force. Of course, this ignores the fact that any responsive force has to be proportionate to the force that was used on you. Had Carmelo Anthony pushed Austin Metcalfe back, we wouldn't be here. Yes, perfectly justifiable. Yeah, you may not respond to a push with a stab wound to the heart. The government wants to make this case about, Mello could have just left. I'm sure he wishes he did. We all do. He mentions that Metcalfe's twin brother Hunter had confronted Anthony allegedly shortly before the stabbing, despite testimony that did not show any evidence of that. So he's just throwing random made up facts into his closing. Mello had an absolute right to defend himself. He said, if you wait until it's too late to defend yourself, it's meaningless. Again, that's not the law. And this is not going to be consistent with what the jury gets charged on proportionate responses when it comes to physicality. He questioned whether all witnesses who testified at the trial were truthful. Metcalfe's family friend who was present in the audience was visibly upset during Howard's closing, shaking her head, mouthing, what is this? As Michael Howard repeated several falsehoods, Carmelo Anthony watched his lawyer intently as he spoke on behalf of his client. Let's see, he said, oh, he was making a big deal of the fact that Carmelo Anthony did not run after he stabbed Austin Metcalfe, saying he stayed there crying. He was upset. That's not exactly escaping like the guilty do. He had every opportunity to go right out that exit. We heard about his emotions. Every single person who saw him said he was crying. What did he say? He said he's not going to die. It's clear he thought he stabbed him in a place that Austin was not going to die. He claimed that Austin, the victim, reportedly said to Carmelo, according to a witness, if you don't move, I'll beat your ass. Again, okay, that's not what the overwhelming testimony was here. And he says, as much as we may not like it, even a 17-year-old kid can legally have a 5-1-1-1 inch knife, even in a high school stadium. It's a violation of policy, but not a crime. Texas law does not require that you wait until you get hit to respond. Ask yourself, has the government ruled out reasonable doubt when you put yourself in Melo's shoes under that tent? So that's where it's going. Here's one more. We know it was raining. The Texas weather's crazy. We know it's easy to think, boy, I better get out of this rain. In other words, he wasn't being intentionally provocative going into their tent. He just wanted to get out of the rain. He said you have to put yourself in his shoes. You start under the tent. You want to get out of the rain. Sure enough, one of the people at the other school says, yeah, come on over. He claims he was invited by one person. Then all of a sudden Hunter Metcalf or Austin say, who are you? You all need to leave. These guys are much bigger than you. Do you turn your back and walk away and take a chance that these teenage boys with their raging hormones might come after you? Austin and Hunter had the right to tell Melo to leave, but they did not have the right to use deadly force to make him leave. This is what he's trying to spin. Melo had an absolute right to defend himself against that. How do you know in a split second of chaos when it's too late if you wait too late to defend yourself? Self-defense is meaningless. And once again, suggesting he didn't know, he stabbed him in the heart, Buckley. I mean, it's tough to swallow. It's tough to swallow. And it's such a horrible tragedy for Austin and Hunter Metcalf and their family. I will say, from what I know of this case, I have followed it peripherally, and I'm not a lawyer, but it is just sad. It's a sad indictment of race relations in this country, which have gotten so much worse in my lifetime with huge thanks to Barack Obama, of course, but also to the national media you accepted. Most Americans live in harmony and treat each other well, and it's just so dispiriting when all these race hosts, hucksters, these predators come out of the woodwork. I have seen a lot of his, quote, supporters come out, Anthony, supporters in the crowd saying despicable things, like, you know, where we come from, we killed the crackers. Yeah. Our outrageous racial stuff. We played one yesterday of a black woman down there saying, we protect ours. Yeah, it's red, it's red on a Mojie Simpson completely. And all the other cases that have come since that have been made famous by people who have an interest in making it famous, but it's not American public's interest. It's a great country, great people, and people need to be each case needs to be dealt with individually. And I hope that I hope there will be some justice here. Sounds like manslaughter is a pretty reasonable conclusion to what I think it should be a murder conclusion, a murder conviction. Absolutely. I mean, like there has to be a conviction on something. 100%. But it this was murder. This was murder. He brought the knife into the tent. He provoked Austin Metcalf to lay hands on him. He without warning, stuck a knife in Austin's heart. He knew full well what that would lead to. This wasn't crime of passion. He created it. I mean, you if I were the prosecutor, I could make a good argument. This was premeditated from before he walked into the tent that he brought a knife to attract me. He took the weapon with him into an opposing team's tent where he knew he shouldn't have been it's a provocative move. He then antagonized this kid, Austin Metcalf, and encouraged him to do something aggressive toward him. I believe I think that this kid was planning all along to stab him. I mean, why else would he have been reaching into the bag when he was like, go ahead, go ahead, lay hands on me. I just think I think this was premeditated and I think it was murder. So I hope they find that jury. I'm with you completely. I misspoke when I said it seems like manslaughter would be the most likely outcome. It seems like just absolutely murder. It's got to be the bare minimum. My producers are telling me that the Black Panthers are there now. Of course. It's got pictures of that. Yeah, let's see. They've come from the polling booths. Here they are. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I'm sure that'll help. Terrific. He's like, what are we going to see? Like Black Panther riots when we get a guilty verdict. Honestly, if we don't get a guilty verdict there, you could see massive protests the other way. There's just, this case is open and shut. There is no reasonable doubt. And I would tell you if I saw anything that they could really exploit, there isn't. There wasn't. You know, you just said something interesting that I wanted to ask you about the race relations having been absolutely crushed in this country by Barack Obama. And it reminded me of something you said when you were on Tucker show about how this is one of the reasons you became so disappointed in a politician you had previously admired, John McCain. Yes. Because he would not take the case, like make the case about Barack Obama. And for that matter, Mitt Romney didn't make the case. And Mitt Romney even worse than McCain because, I mean, McCain had a lot of fodder on this front with Reverend Wright and all that too. But he'd been governing for four years and Mitt Romney didn't go there. But Barack Obama, the truth is, well, he was supposed to be our first like Black President. We're going to settle all the race relations was the most divisive president when it comes to the issue of race that we've had in modern times. And you're right. No, no Republican would make the case against it because they were scared. They were a word I don't say on this show that begins with P. Feline? Like a kitty cat. Yes, they were. No, he interjected himself multiple times and interjected. Barack Obama did. First, the Skip Gates nonsense at Harvard. Yeah. And Skip Gates had been, you know, stopped by the police breaking was having no key trying to get into his house. And Barack Obama and the media made it an enormous thing. And then when Trayvon Martin, who clearly had attacked that fellow and was trying to kill him, and then that guy defended himself and Zimmerman, Zimmerman, exactly. And interjected race into it when it when it clearly was not a racial case. They were neither one of them were white anyway. So it didn't really fit the standard for them. But and we'd never seen that before. Presidents didn't normally weigh in on legal cases at all. Never mind on the race of the parties and how that spoke to us as a country. Meanwhile, he's like, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. What? Exactly. I was just going to say that. But he, yes, that they never interjected themselves in a case like that. But Barack Obama at the same time he injected himself in the case then took enormous credit for being like fair and balanced and not involved, which he did on several other fronts. And then he came up with the most annoying phrase ever from someone who's not an American who doesn't doesn't display the priorities of a lot of Americans and said, that's just not who we are. Well, we don't need the government telling us we don't need an electric politician telling us who we are. The American public know who's American people know exactly who they are. They don't need someone else telling them that, especially someone who's so unimpressive and so hostile towards his own citizens as Barack Obama was and white people, especially. The people who love Barack Obama to this day say it was a scandal free administration. There were no scandals. It's like, that's not how we experienced it at all. They're still repeating that line. Even though I think it's been conclusively proven that he engaged in obvious treason, he undermined the American people, the American government, the American president. Dropped a drone on an American citizen. Yes, exactly. Oh, extra constitutional actions all around. Seized one sixth of the US economy without majority support to ram Obamacare down our throats, something from which the American public still has not recovered and boasted about it. Elections have consequences. You know, fuck you and your doctor and your life. 100%. And absolutely no accountability for it. Like the left still lionizes him as though he were a true unifier. It's just, you know, it's not true. So I loved what you said. I also got a big kick out of the fact that you what you one of the things you hated about John McCain is that he took on big tobacco. Go on as somebody who worked for the law firm that represented RJ Reynolds. Go on. I can't believe we didn't meet each other back then. I worked on that case as a lowly PR guy in Washington. Oh, yeah. And for a number of years. And I remember thinking, you're attacking an American institution, which is tobacco. And I also thought it was so hypocritical. One, it's people had known for a generation that tobacco and smoking isn't necessarily good for you. Okay, you have a choice. Drinking is not good for you. You have a choice to buy booze. Now, of course, you're encouraged to buy weed and pharmaceuticals and anything else you want. But it had also had an essential part in the American story economically and at the same time, the federal government and every state in the country essentially had taken it upon themselves to invest their public employee funds, their retirement funds in tobacco at the same time. And they were attacking tobacco companies. It was repellent and it was a huge money grab and enriched a lot of lawyers. I hope it helps you if you worked on it. I mean, I guess, yeah, by extension, I got a salary, but I actually never felt embarrassed about that work. I felt like, well, why wouldn't we defend RJ Reynolds? I mean, the warnings were actually everybody knew smoking was bad for you. And God bless you for working for RJR. I mean, it was the firm, but it was very good business and it like they were all sued that we pretended for a lot of years that nobody had any idea smoking was bad for you. It's like, okay, in the very beginning, that was true. But more recent history, like how did you not know that? It's just where it's kind of started a trend, right? Where it's like nobody takes accountability for their own bad behavior. Nobody takes responsibility for their own decision making. I don't know. It's like, we didn't used to be this way. There's literally no such thing as an accident in America in 2026. Someone is responsible. Someone other than you is responsible for what you do. I'm a big motorcyclist, a fire plane. Of course you do. No, but I've hated, I hate getting in my car and having that noise go off with your seatbelt. It's my choice. And if I want to wear a seatbelt or not, I actually mostly do. But I generally just want to kill some member of Congress when they hear this. And I've always wondered, I've always wondered as I'm holding a coffee cup and sometimes a cigarette when I'm driving. And I'm harangued to put my seatbelt on and I fiddle around trying to put it on as I'm driving. I think how many people have gotten in a head on collision just so they could turn that noise off and put their seatbelt on? And now soon your car is going to be spying on you with like a camera and it's going to know everything you're doing and thinking and saying. I don't know who they're going to be reporting it to. Who's got the time to surf through that data? There's going to be a huge argument in formerly owned cars from before 2021. Yeah, I know. I don't think we're going to trade ours in. I think we're going to be like driving the 300,000 mile car. I just hit 100,000 miles in my six year car. I love it. Never giving it up. Like I'm always on camera. I don't want to be on camera everywhere. You know, it's like it's hard enough to keep up the mascara and the lip gloss during 12 to 2, Buckley. I don't think I can do it in my free time. Plus you only have to investigate chat GPT for like 30 seconds to realize that it's not actually accurate at all times. Yeah, we're going to seed personal responsibility to a computer. Now we're doing it at a national level. That's why we're our children won't be able to have jobs. Well, thankfully yours will be with you and the dogs down south. Mine, I think we'll probably be at the Jersey Shore. God help me. At least you don't have to pump your own gas. This has been so fun. I loved having you. Please come back anytime. I would love to. Thank you so much. So so much. Buckley Carlson, everybody. We're so lucky to have him. All right. And tomorrow we're going to be bringing back Mark Halperin because there will be some results from several votes that have been that have been taken today and we'll get the latest on California as well. Don't miss that. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear. Go on. Book that trip. It's easy. Booking.com. Booking. Yeah.