MY DESPERATE VALENTINE

The following podcast is a Dear Media production. Hello, hello. Welcome back to the What We Said podcast, everybody. If you're watching on YouTube, we're matching today. Unplanned. Didn't plan it. Like usual. Well, welcome back. Happy February, February, however you like to say it, wherever you're from. Around here, we say February because that's what was ingrained into our brains in elementary school. I actually have switched to saying February. Sorry to leave you hanging. It was... I'll say February. I switched last year. It feels so wrong to say that. It feels like I'm going to get a slap on the wrist from my teacher. It sounded a little weird to me too for the first little bit. So we're going to start saying library too? Library. That one... That one is different. Yeah. I feel so bad for people who try to learn the English language for that reason. It's like, no idiot. The R is silent in this one. The R is silent here. Not silent here. I know. What really was the— Couldn't you know? What is the point of the R? Like, really, what were we doing there? Distract. Chaos. Well, happy February, guys. Can't believe we're already here. Second month of the year. Valentine's Day is just around the corner. It's this weekend. Speaking of Valentine's Day, we have a new podcast schedule, guys. The reason I'm speaking of Valentine's Day is because we have an episode this Thursday coming out, which is I think two days before Valentine's Day happens. So don't worry, you're going to get your fix this week, the week of love. But we did switch our schedule. So up until this point, we've had an episode go live every Tuesday of the month. And then the first Friday and the last, sorry, the second Friday and the last Friday of the month, we also had episodes going live. We decided to switch our Friday episodes to be Thursdays now. There's honestly not that much of a reason other than we like the flow better. We think Tuesdays and Thursdays is just a better flow. So we still have six episodes a month, every Tuesday, and then the second and last Thursdays of the month. And we decided to kind of hone in. And as it stands right now, that first Thursday one episode is going to be our advice column, which used to be the last. But now it's going to be that week. Because we know you need it earlier in the month. You can't wait all month for the advice. Exactly. The last Thursday of the month will be our that month favorites episode. So like we did a January recap or January roundup of like all our favorite things. Media we consume, sub stack articles, products, things we learned, whatever. We're going to do that every month at the end of the month. And we think that's like a good flow. It feels right. We've decided and that's how it is. And that's that. And you guys loved our January roundup episode. So that made me happy. I've already been scheming. I've already been adding things to my February list. Same. It's exciting. I love doing that. I've been just, I feel like this January, I've really leaned into the Capricorn of it all. I feel like I've been just on the grind, on the grind, on the shred. I love that. You're shredding the gnard. Yeah. I was trying to like somehow segue into my ski trip recap. But me and JC had very different trips. We were in polar opposite vacation mode. And it was so funny to like be watching your stories or like recaps while I was literally in the snow, like in a fur coat and you're like on the beach in a bikini. So, well, how about we hear about yours first? Let's start with the warm. The least interesting. I'm like, yours is boring. Mine was very crazy. Our trip, we went to Hawaii. We went for a week. It was so fun. It was so nice. I love a tropical trip in the winter. That's like my favorite, actually my favorite combo because, you know, you're used to being colder and whatever. And then you just get the polar opposite, like sunshine, high UV. Not that I really like the high UV. I'm always, you know, hiding from the sun, but just that energy, tropical fruits. It feels good. And it feels right because January is summer. So. Exactly. Yeah, it was really nice. We went and visited family. We went to two different islands. So we had a little island hopping thing. Did you have to take a little plane? No. Oh. No, it was a big plane. Oh, nice. A normal side. Well, it was like kind of small, I guess, actually. It was two seats on each side instead of three. That was— Nice. But our trip was really fun. It was just really chill, honestly, and nothing too eventful to report. And that means it's a perfect tropical vacation. Yeah. Because you had a relaxing time. Like, you don't want to have that many stories from a tropical vacation, you know? No, it's true. I was kind of, you know, gearing up for like, what bad thing is going to happen that I, you know, can talk about. Yeah. Nothing bad really happened. You've been waking up early. You've been on your mind. Oh, mama. The waking up journey is a lot. I've been meaning to ask like how you've been feeling later in the day. Miserable. Really? Like you've been like tired? I've been really tired at night. And like, well, like that's good. Yeah, yeah. Makes sense. That's good. But even, yeah, I will say the afternoon, I'm like, ooh, I am very tired. And like, I almost fear, like, I don't want to give up yet, but I am feeling so run down. Like, I feel miserable every day. I'm like, this? I like the mornings. Like, I do like how I feel after it's been 30 minutes or an hour. And I'm like awake and I've done a workout. The reward is not rewarding enough. Yes, I like that. But then it's like, I just get into this busy day, like as, you know, as we all do. And then I'm so tired by literally like 4 p.m. I'm like, ooh, I don't, I've almost been on the verge. I kind of feel like I got a little bit sick, like in Hawaii, like towards the end, just like a little nothing crazy. But I, so I was feeling just very run down. Maybe it's because I was traveling and like, I was trying to just be like, nope, power through, like got to wake up early. And I just, I fear I've been girlbossing too hard. I'm like, I probably need to like sleep for, or sleep in for a few days-ish. When I say sleep in, I mean, just not getting up at like 6.30 a.m. Just letting yourself wake up. Yeah, just letting myself wake up maybe for a few days in the interim because now the horrible part is that I was kind of on Hawaii time, which means waking up at 6.30 a.m. is 4.30 a.m. there. So it's even more miserable. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, but I'm on the grind. I'm on the journey. And I'm not giving up, but it is like, I also don't, my friend was like, you don't really want to fight with like your internal clock. Like if you are the type of person who just, I don't know, like you are better at night or like you need more sleep or this and that, like you don't really want to fight that. And I agree with that. I don't know. I could go down a whole tangent. You're trying to see if you should make the extreme life change of becoming a more, like you would have to become a morning person if you were waking up and then you would be so tired, you wouldn't be able to even be a night person. Exactly. Because like last night, for instance, I went to bed at 1130. Yeah. That's way too late if you want to make up at 6 a.m. I mean, in my opinion. Oh, for sure. For how much sleep that I feel like I require or I thrive under, like you can't be doing that. So I just need—whatever, we've been over this. I just need to go to bed a lot earlier and like it's a whole process. It is. It's kind of crazy. And I feel like I signed up for a 6 a.m. workout class today. I was supposed to go today. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Newsflash. I didn't go because we got back from our trip yesterday and newsflash. I was exhausted from traveling and I had this like David Goggins, my like coming on my shoulder, like, who cares? You're not going to do it today. It's never going to change. And I'm just like, OK, I guess I got to get up and get my workout in before the kids. And it's like I signed up and my alarm went off at 530. I went to bed decently early. I went to bed at like 10 and I'm like, OK, I wake up at 520 when my alarm goes off. And I was like, no, no. I like what with one eye went and canceled. I'm like, I'll take the freaking penalty cancel fee because I'm so tired. What was I thinking? Like 6 a.m. At least do seven, girl. Like 6 a.m. means you have to wake up at 5.30. Yeah. And I was just like, what am I doing to myself? Like, what is the purpose of this? I know. I know. It's a really, I've been teetering back and forth. 3 p.m. And then my day's ruined. No, I'm going to be honest. I'm doing really bad lately, just in general. Like, as I'm thinking about all of my, I am like going so hard and I am so run down. Like, remember how my goal was to say no to more things or like be very intentional? Oh, mama. Yeah. I've been saying yes to every single thing you can imagine. I've said yes to every work thing. I've said yes to every activity. I've said yes to every family thing. I've said yes to every friend thing. Yes. I, my day is locked in the middle. I have one second of free time. I'm like, what am I doing? And then I'm like this year. Well, it's the year of the horse. We're just on our, we just hopped on the horse. We're ready to go. I know. And I fear that I, I'm learning something about myself as these weeks have gone in this year of the horse and this year of like the frantic energy that I, I love it. And I'm like addicted to it, but it's not good for me. Like that, that energy of like, once I'm going, I want to go and I want to keep going and I don't want to stop, but it's not good for me. And then I'm like extremely worn down again. That's why why I'm not a night person because like I will go so hard during the day, especially in the morning. And then at night at 10 p.m., people like let's I'm like, I have not one ounce of energy to give you. My eyes are I'm literally need to get like stilts to hold them open. Like I cannot stay awake and I'm getting like hatred is building in my heart. Rage. So, yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting. Yeah. Capricorn seasons. I guess it's over now. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's Aquarius season now, but I've been just reflecting. I'm like, I've been going hard. That's the thing. And I'm proud of myself for the things that I've been doing. But also I'm like, I do have to be careful because this is just kind of the energy that I get into sometimes where I go feral and like I just go so hard with every single thing I'm doing. And then I hit severe burnout at some point. And I can already sense, I think I'm more self-aware now to understand like that pattern. So I'm trying to reel it back before I hit the burnout because I'm still very motivated to do a lot of my different stuff. I've been training with Caitlin in the mornings. I've been loving it. I've been just really into my whole fitness routine and getting up early. And I've been doing a lot of work stuff that I'm proud of. I've been planning shoots creatively. I really have been doing the things that I've been wanting to do for a long time. So I'm super proud of myself. I'm loving that energy, but I just have to reel it in a little bit. The energy from the early 20s is fading. Yeah. I just got to like be strategic and yeah, I can't like waste time and stay up late for like no reason and then try and live this life. Like it's just not working. So I got to, I got to balance some stuff. Yeah. Well, we're going to stay tuned for that. Yeah. Thank you so much. But you have been crushing it. Thank you. So good job. Thank you. But yeah, you got to do what's best for you. And if that's 7 a.m. wake up time, I think that's totally acceptable. I think it could work because working out in the morning is hard. I want people's input. Please like comment or message us. Like I used to work out in the mornings consistently when I had basically no children, no responsibility. Basically none. Yes. I'm like basically like I was gonna say basically no responsibilities, basically no responsibilities, like no children. I had a job that started later in the day. Like I and so I'd work out in the morning, but it wasn't 6 a.m. Like I've never consistently worked out at like 5 or 6 a.m. how these people do for years. Like, are you, do you get used to it? And does your body, like you have energy or are you always wanting to nap at 3 or 4 p.m.? I am curious about that too. Because like maybe if there's a point you push past that and you do it for like six months to a year, your body's just used to it. But I don't see a world in which whenever I wake up and exercise super early, I'm talking like six, sevens pushing it. Like that day, I'm so tired. So tired. Yeah. Like I'll come back and drink coffee and like it gives me a crash. Right. I'm like, I'm exhausted. I need to nap. Yeah. Immediately. Then I feel like I have a less productive day. I know. I don't really know what the answer is. I don't want to beat this horse to death. Yeah, I'll stop. I think it just is different. Let's not beat the horse to death. I'm like, yeah, no, continue. Actually, I think it just is. Not in the year of the horse. No, it is just different. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to get into it. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that you had it. It made me really want to go to Hawaii. Really? Your pictures and just the vibes. Yeah. So it's really unbeatable. It's really an unbeatable energy there. The food was so good. Wow. The fruit. Like we just went to the grocery store stock up on fruit to put in our hotel to like get Benny in the mornings and stuff. And I'm like, these are the best raspberries I've ever had. Yes. The best mango I've ever had. Every single like the strawberries, the papaya, everything I ate was like the best fruit I've ever had. I know. Just it's just the best. You guys being a woman, we've talked about this many times. It is just it's a lot. Okay, especially with hormones flowing and just hormonal acne, having your period, getting bloating, cramps, mood swings, like it is so exhausting to deal with month after month. 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I had the, you know, I've been wanting to ski or snowboard probably my whole life. like it's always been something that like my dad did all growing up with his family like my grandparents like they have all these cool photos of them like my nana and like the 70s you know during the ski craze with like all these cool outfits and just whatever and all of our friends snowboarded growing up in high school and we just never I mean you've been but I never went I always would make a joke I'm not kidding since high school like okay I know I've never been snowboarding everyone says like we gotta come with us and I'm like invite me then do it and they would never do it. They'd be like, yeah, oh, you got to come shred with us. I'm like, okay, I'm open. My schedule's wide open. Send me the text. I'm there. Like never invited. Similar to Lake Powell. Still haven't been. That's the thing I'm still always throwing out. Like anyone, everyone's like, you've never been. That's crazy. Like we go every year. I'm like, yeah. Okay. Where's the house? But I'm ready. It's January. We have time. Yeah. So skiing is always something or snowboarding, just anything like that. And when we went to Vail, I got like a taste. I was just like, okay, I love this vibe of like the ski resort. It obviously is very bougie. So it's like, obviously it's very, you know, enticing. But also I just have been having this surge of, okay, now that I'm 30, what am I waiting for? Like, I just need to, like all these things that I want to try physically that are like, you know, I just want to try it. Because what am I going to wait 20 years and then try skiing in 20 years? Like, I mean, you could, but I've just been, I need to just rip the bandaid off and there's never going to be the perfect time for things. There's never going to be the right moment. I just got to go and do it. So I did like a deal with Deer Valley Resort, which I have never been so excited for a deal to come across my desk. I was like, oh my gosh. Yes, yes, yes. I can't wait. They set up this trip for us. Shout out Mia. She's a valley girl. Well, hopefully I met her. Like she doesn't listen anymore. Imagine like I meet her up for lunch. She's like, I'm a valley girl. I'm insufferable. She never listens again, but she like set up our trip for us. Like the itinerary was amazing. I was so excited. It's a family trip. So Nick, I, and the boys, we all went to Deer Valley Resort in Park City, Utah. And I didn't realize it was in Park City until I saw your location on my thing. Cause I, I thought Deer Valley was a location. I didn't realize it was the name of the resort. Yes. For some reason. I don't know why. I was a little confused, but yeah, it's in Park City. It's like this just, it's an only ski only resort. So you can't snowboard there. Okay. So they set us up. They put the boys, well, that was too little, but they put Case in ski school for like the first half of the day. And then they said, they're like, have you ever been like, do you need a lesson? I was like, I need a lesson. So they set me up with a private lesson and it was, I cannot imagine going on the mountain or just trying to ski or snowboard and not having a lesson. Like plenty of people do that. I would be petrified. Like it took me three hours to learn how to go down the bunny hill, like without being absolutely petrified and being able to stop. Took me like three hours to learn how to like confidently go by myself. Anyways, I had like the most amazing instructor, Yanni. He was like this guy from Patagonia, Argentina. He was so funny and cool and like made it the best experience. And just so not intimidating because it's intimidating when you get up there, especially again, if you've never been on a mountain, sliding down a mountain on the snow, on things that are not your feet, like where you don't have control. Well, you do, but you don't know how to control yet. So it was so fun. Anyways, I did my lesson and I was feeling so confident. I like really hadn't like been falling. Everyone's like, okay, you're going to fall the first day a million times. Get ready to fall. And I think that's probably true. I'm like for losers who are not immediately good at things like I am. No, if you don't have a lesson, especially, and you're just like going down this freaking mountain, I cannot imagine like you are braver than the Marines for doing that. if you've done that before. Anyways, so I'm like getting used to the bunny hill. I think I'm like shredding, by the way. I'm like, I'm not falling. I can like stop. I'm like stopping and like getting to the ski lift. I got the ski lift down because the ski lift is also scary. You have to like get on the ski lift and ski down. And so anyways, I'm done with my lesson. We're going down the bunny hill like one or two more times. My instructor's like, hey, you're going to do it by yourself. And Nick had been like helping getting the boys in the school and getting our rentals and whatever. So he was like back at the lodge for a little bit. and like ended up not getting to the mountain until like what was like 11 a.m. or something. And so he came up and he was getting on the ski lift like right before us. And so we like pulled, I was like, Nick, I was like, oh my gosh, hey, because he was like, I'll text you when I get there. And so we just ended up seeing each other. And I was like, oh, this is my instructor. This is Nick, whatever. And I'm like, you're just going up and you're just going to like go down, mind you. Okay, Nick snowboards like every year. He's a snowboarder. Like he will go on a trip. He's been snowboarding since he was a teenager. Like he knows how to snowboard very well. and but he hasn't been skiing since he was like 10 and he's like no it's like the same thing right like he's like I know he's like I haven't been but like I'm sure I'll figure it out right and they had asked him like do you need a lesson he was like no I'm fine and so he gets to the top top of the bunny hill which is like you know decently decently steep and he's like he's ahead of us on the ski lift because my instructor was like I'm not gonna let you do the ski lift yet alone so we get down and like he gets off the ski lift Nick does and then we come and follow him And he's like, we're at the top of the bunny hill. And Nick's like, all right, guys, like, have fun with the rest of your lesson. He's like, I'll see you down there. Like, look, Zach. You guys, I have never laughed so hard in my life. He's like, see ya. Like, fully confident. Like, full sense. Like, skis. Tries to snowboard on his skis. And if you know how to do either, like, you know, it's different. like your snowboarding is like all of your like core and you're like using your body skiing you don't use your body you just use your feet or your skis apparently and so he like goes down and still he just like wipes out like huge wipe out and he starts like he goes to get back up the confidence this man has and just like actually such a scary thing to just slide down a mountain so fast he gets back up and then he starts like sliding into the other lane which is like a bigger mountain. And my instructor's like, that's not a good idea. And I start cracking up. My instructor's like, stop laughing. Don't laugh. I'm like, this man is good at everything he tries. Please let me relish in this. This is hilarious. Like he literally, the way he's like, all right, see you guys at the bottom. And then instantly wipes out. I was actually inconsolable. I was laughing so hard. He was fine. He didn't like get hurt. But it was just funny that he just had so much confidence. My instructor was actually saying before that, he's like, the best students are kids. They are so good at skiing. He's like, your four-year-old will be better than you at the end of the day. Like, because they just have no fear. They don't think about it. They're just like, oh, monkey see, monkey do. Pizza, cool. Like, let's go. What's pizza? It's like, that's how you stop. You like put your feet inward like this. Like, you're like this the whole time. Even doing that, my hips are so sore. Just doing that brought trauma to my body. Anyways, so then we were like going down the mountain. My instructor luckily was like, oh, you're snowboarding. You need to ski. Like, gave him a couple tips and then he was, again. That's why I was laughing because then he was fine and he was actually shredding. I'm like, okay, cool. Okay, fabulous. Had so much fun. I was just going down the Bunna Hill the first day and was like, this is so fun. I need to come skiing all the time. The resort obviously was like beautiful. Everyone was messaging me that like skis and lives in Utah. I was like, Deer Valley is elite. Like it's so cool. And so I was feeling, again, I don't really know because I've never been to other ski resorts, but I'm like, this is such a cool like experience. Case loved it. Like we got to go watch his lesson. He was just like, absolutely loving. He was so excited. The instructors are so nice. And then, yeah, so we had the rest of the day. It was amazing. Like, apres ski or whatever. Like, after ski activities. Fabulous. I'm like, this is, this is the life you are born for. Yes. Yeah. Ski down the bunny hill till lunch. Come back. Go get caviar. Go get like a little drink at the, at the lodge. Whatever. Get cozy. Get a hot cocoa. So fun. Could not wait to get my skis off though. I can't lie. I was like getting so sore because this muscles you, Like don't really use that often. Anyways, the next day, okay. Case at ski school again. I'm like, I'm so excited to ski today. I'm like on my own. Like, let's go down the bunny hill again. Like amazing. Like I'm, I'm just loving this. So we get back skiing and we go down the bunny hill probably 50 times. Nick's like, we've got to go down the mountain. Like this is driving me nuts. Cause he's like, I want to ski with you. I was like, well, you can go. And so he had done like a run. He's like, I want to ski with you. Like, let's go try. And I'm like, Nick, I'm petrified. Like this is doable. I feel safe here. I don't know how to turn very well yet. I know how to stop, but I don't know how to turn yet. And I need to just like practice my skills. He's like, you're doing really well. And like to his defense, I was doing well. Okay. I wasn't like at that point I got it down. I could like go and like kind of, you know, turn a little bit. But I was like, I just want to practice. I'm not ready for the mountain yet. I'm not ready for a run. Because he's like, it's basically this just longer. You just have to go for a longer time. And I'm like, okay, okay. So we meet Mia for lunch. and she works for Deer Valley and she was like saying too, she's like, I was asking her about the greens because that's the easiest run. I'm like, can we do, like, do you think I could do a green? And she was like, you know, you could do it. It's pretty easy. But like she was encouraging me. She's like, you don't have to. But, you know, I think you probably could if you were doing well on the bunny hill as long as you know how to stop and turn or whatever. And so I was like, maybe, maybe. But I was like kind of starting to panic. You know, like when someone's trying to get you to do something you're scared of, it's just like immediate, like your body just like, No, I don't want to do that. Like I turn into a five-year-old. I'm just like, no, no, no. Can I quickly interject that on one of our trips to Hawaii, like years ago, it's like five years ago, we were with a group of people. They're trying to get me to jump like cliff jump. No. Oh, 10 feet. Tiny. And I tell you it took me two hours. I'm not exaggerating. It actually took me. Okay, I am exaggerating. It probably took me one full hour. I was standing up there. I couldn't do it. I was so terrified. I actually think it was probably more like 15 feet or something, but I had like really haven't done that. And what made me jump was this young girl who I swear someone planted. Like one of my friends or Leif planted her, but she was like a six-year-old. And she was like, will you go with me? I'm scared. Like, will you jump? Like, because people are going together. It's like, it's literally not high. It's like a high. And she was like up there and her parents are trying to get her to go. And she's like, will you go with me? And I was like, what am I going to be like? No. sweetie. Like go alone. I was like, this is crazy. Yeah. I'm like, bye, bitch. No, I, I was like, okay, this is crazy. I have to go. So I was like, yeah, I'll go with you. And I jumped and that's what made me jump. But I'm like, the fact that took me two hours, like is diabolical. But the fact everyone was like, just do it. I'm like, you're pissing me off. Stop talking to me. Stop talking to me. Don't ask me to do it. They're like, okay, we don't care then. I'm like, no, I'll do it. They're like, then do it. I'm like, shut up. I was being crazy. Me. I genuinely was having a visceral reaction to it where he was like telling me, he's like, Chelsea, I know you'll be, you will love it. Like you'll go down and you'll be, you'll feel so rewarded and you'll just feel so fulfilled by doing this and you can do it and I'll be there with you, whatever. And I'm just like, no, I don't want to do it. Like, I'm not ready. I'm want to go to the bunny hill. He's like, Chelsea is driving me crazy. Like you can go down the bunny hill. And I just know if you just pushed yourself a little bit, you could do it. And I'm like, okay, okay, okay. Mind you, my confidence was shaken a little bit by his little fall yesterday where I'm like, okay, he's like, just has this extreme confidence and no worries whatsoever. Yeah. But also mind you, what I was telling him is if you, it's kind of like if you've never swam in the ocean before, and then you try and go when you're 30 years old to go surfing or something, you don't know the ocean. You don't know the waves. But if you've been in it, you know it's not as scary as it seems. You know how to navigate it. Like you are on a mountain on snow sliding down on a snowboard every year. You know, like what's going on. You know, kind of how this whole thing works. This is very new to me. So I'm just, I'm just practicing. I just want to like ease into it on my own time. I'm a very brave person. Okay. And I'll do it on my own. Like I will be brave, but I want to do it on my own time. Yes. And so he's like, okay, okay, okay. He's like, well, we can go down this little one and it's not that bad. And it'll take us back to the lodge because we were, we had like gone up. And so I was like, okay, I'll do it. So we're on the ski lift to do it. Getting so high on this mountain. I'm like, okay. I'm like starting to get mad on the, on the ski lift with him. I'm just like, Nick, you have to understand. Like I literally was starting to be like, okay, I'm so scared. Like you have to understand where I'm coming from. He's like, okay, I understand. He's like, we'll take it really slow, whatever. It's also sketchy because there's no, like once you're up there, it's like you're going down the mountain. Call a helicopter. Yeah, there's no other option. Yes. Sorry. And I had seen TikToks before the ski trip. Obviously, I was like full in. I was watching YouTube videos about skiing. Like I was really trying to know as much as I could before, even just about the culture and just like how it all works, like the trails and ski lifts and whatever. And so I had seen some TikToks on my free page of these, just like funny ones of people skiing. It's like, I'm about to ski for my first day. And then the next clip, they're crying. And they're like, why does anyone like to do this? Like, I'm just falling. This is miserable. I'm so scared. Like, and I kind of thought that was funny because again, I can't relate and I won't relate. Like, that's cute for you, but not for me. Like, that won't happen to me. But that's funny that you experience something so humbling. And so as we get up to the top of the mountain, we start going down. First of all, I have not sought reassurance so much in my life that that was a green trail. We're like going, there's like a huge green dot. it's like this way is like success. And I'm like, this is success. I'm like asking everybody. I'm like, this is green, right? Yep, that's green. I'm like, okay. Like if I go right here, this is green because there's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's actually horrifying. We start going down. I instantly look down. So this was not, this was not the bunny hill steepness. This was so much deeper and so long. I'm like, I'm going to fly down that hill. No, it's horrifying. And literally fly off the edge and die. And so I'm instantly, I'm like, Nick, I look at him, I'm pissed. I'm like, are you serious? I'm like, how am I supposed to get down? I'm like, I'm taking my skis off. I'm taking my skis off. I'm walking down. He's like, Chelsea, he's like, no, that's more dangerous. He's like, you can do it. Just try. Just remember pizza and like, whatever. He's like, try and like get the turns or whatever. And so I start going down. The biggest pizza I've ever done, my hips are actually going to pop out of socket. And I lie down the first hill. I cannot stop going so fast. And again, when you're scared, you're also panicking. On the bunny hill, I wasn't scared. So I was like, if I fall, I fall, whatever. I'm in a safe place. Here, I'm like, if I fall, if I go too fast and fly off this cliff, bye, bye. Like I'll break something. I'll whatever. I'm going so fast down the hill and I'm like, okay, so I have to fall. I just like understand that in my head. I'm like, I have to fall. So I just basically throw myself to the side and just tumble down this hill, like skis in the air so high. And I finally stop again. I'm like, how long am I going to be rolling down this freaking hill with my skis in the air? And your skis also are so long. So you're like, literally, skiing looks so hard to me because of how just, I heard it's easier than snowboarding, but I don't understand how. So what I've heard is that skiing is easier to learn, but harder to master. And snowboarding is harder to learn, but easier to master. Okay. So anyways, after that first tumble, the way I actually, I'm not kidding, turned into a toddler, like head down, tears instantly streaming down my face of fear of anger towards Nick, because I'm like, you did this to me. You made me come on here. and just defeat and humble, like completely humbled that I actually, for a moment, I'm scared, but I'm like, but I'll do it. Like, yeah, I'll make it down and I'll be scared. But, and I just sat there with like how am I supposed to get up and not keep falling I stuck here I actually going to take my skis off and hike back up to the top and call for a helicopter or a snowmobile to come get me A helicopter is crazy. And Nick's like, he skis up behind me. I can tell he's instant regret. Like he's so, he's like, I'm so sorry. He's like, I should have listened to you. I'm so sorry. I'm like, I just don't even say anything. I'm like, can you grab my poles? Because I had dropped them back at the top. So he goes up and grabs my poles. and he brings them down. He like helps me up. And I'm like, just so you know, this will now take us three hours. Congratulations. I'm going to ski so slow. You've never seen before. Like I'm going to sidestep this mountain. Okay. Long story short, we went, we went down and I had gotten like, I only fell twice down the mountain, which, which to me was a success because I didn't want to just be falling the whole time. I'm like, that's not fun to me. I'm not like just this spry young chick who wants to be falling and just like hop back up every five seconds. But then I did see someone wipe out and she was just like, she's like, oh, and then she just got back up. Like she was kind of joking like, oh, but like I had been crying. And I'm like, that is, that is the attitude I should have had. Or she's like, oh, fell. And I'm like, okay, I need to like kind of just take that mindset of like, if I fall, I fall, whatever. And that was all great until we got to a place where I had to turn and there's like a cliff. And I'm like, okay, I went so slow down that way. We get to a fork in the road, fork in the thing. And they're both green. They both say green. One goes one way, one goes the other way. And I'm so panicked. I'm like, okay, I don't want to go down the wrong one. I don't want to go down something. All of a sudden I'm stuck. And it's like a very scary trail or something. So this group of skiers, like men over here, and they're standing there at the fork in the road. And I'm also blinded with fear at this point. I'm just like in complete instant survival mode. Like I've got to get down. And so I'm, I'm like asking them, I'm like, they're kind of talking about which way goes to the lodge. And I'm like, which way will take you back to like Snow Park Lodge? And they're like, like, I think this way. And I was like, okay, which way is easier? And the guy goes, well, I would just listen to the sign. I look over and there's this massive green sign in front of me. It says easier. Literally with an arrow pointing this way. I'm like, okay, I'm actually so blinded by fear. I know I'm not thinking straight. Like I'm actually standing probably from me to this camera and it says easier, like with a huge arrow, like go down this way. He's like, I will listen to the sign. I'm like, okay. You ate. Nick's just dying laughing. Anyways, we made it down to the bottom eventually. The second we stopped, I'm like, that was fun. Oh my gosh. Nick's like, okay. He's like, that was, he's like, yeah, that was super fun. I'm like, did you have fun? He's like, no. It's like, I was so worried about you. And I was like, just feeling like you were having a miserable time. I'm like, no, now I feel fine. Now it's fun. No, that really is. The thing is sometimes fear is warranted and sometimes it really is not. Like, I'm glad you did it too, but I broke my hand snowboarding. Yes. And I'm like, it's actually warranted to like, to be like, oh, I actually don't know how to do this. Like, I'm actually worried. People are like, ah, just do it. And I'm like, well, I broke my hand. Yes. So now I'm pissed at you. Yeah. Because again, yeah, you're the one who's like, just go. Who cares? Like, it's not that deep. It's like, well, it is because I literally just broke a bone now. Yes. So it is like, that's my hesitation with stuff because I feel the same. Well, I honestly think you're way more open and braver than me. Like I'm scared of the ocean. I'm scared of cliff jumping. I'm scared of skis. Like I'm scared of like everything you can imagine. Like I was very scared of this mountain. Like I'm not comfortable with, that's what I was telling Nick. I'm like, I grew up swimming. Like, so I am very comfortable in the water. I am not comfortable on the top of the mountain sliding down snow. I'm not comfortable. It's very foreign to me. I'm scared of like every activity because I didn't grow up doing like a lot of outdoor, like truly I've been thinking about it because people like grow up four wheeling or like doing all this. Like I didn't grow up with any of those activities, like boating, like, tubing, boating, swimming, like any of this stuff. Like I didn't really, my family didn't do a lot of those types of like outdoor sports, I guess. Yes. So I'm literally scared of every single one of them. But again, sometimes I'm like, sometimes I need to push past fear, but sometimes it's like very warranted where it's like, you also can't, like you said, just get in the ocean like with surfing or something. It's like, I'm not just going to get in the ocean with these big waves that like, I don't know how the ocean works. I don't, that's not safe. You actually have to do a little bit of prep work with certain activities in sports. I think there's like a time and a place. And when we were in Hawaii, actually, life's like, this is where you should learn to surf. And I was like, this is the most appealing it's ever been because they're super, it's like shallow or small waves and the water's warm. I'm like, yeah, this sounds a lot more appealing. And I maybe would be open to it. But it really is like, it's warranted sometimes. Like, no, you don't want to get hurt. Like, it makes sense. Exactly. And I was understanding because I've been on the other side as well, like both places where I've been wanting someone to do something where I'm like, just do it. Like even growing up, if someone was like, again, I was super comfortable in the water and I didn't understand. That's the main thing that I, the takeaway that I had was like, I'm so glad I pushed myself to do something and learn a new skill at this. Not that I'm old by any means, but just like at an age that you would think people are already skiing and like literally pros by this age. And And if you would kind of think if you're not skiing by that age, it's like too late. You're not going to be skiing. Yeah. And I had been seeing after I've like been posting about, of course, I just get ski content. And there's so many people who are like, I learned to ski at like 35 and now I go every year and like I'm getting good at it or whatever. And so that was a great lesson to me of just like, you know, push yourself out of your comfort zone. Again, not out of safety zone because I do agree with that. I'm like, I would not just be like full send to a blue, which is the harder one. No, I would not be doing that. Like I would honestly probably have another couple lessons to like learn how to turn and like really get comfortable and practice before I even went on another grade. I'm not kidding. Yeah. That's just me because again, I'm not comfortable on the mountain yet. So yeah, all that being said, it was such a good, fun, like adventurous trip because I love kind of the same, like I love a diverse, you know, different kinds of vacations. I love like a relaxing, chill vacation. But also, I think with kids and the age the boys are at, I'm like, this is actually somehow more relaxing because our itinerary is like booked. And we have so much like activities. We did like a horse-drawn carriage ride. Like it was so magical, so fun. And I thought the boys would be exhausted, by the way. I'm like, Case was in ski school. Then he went to like this little daycare. He played with friends. And then he went to, then we went to dinner. And then we went to, did the sleigh ride. And it's like so, so late. And we're like, hey, we got to get to bed. He's like, what other activities are we doing today? I'm like, sir. What other activities? Actually, the busiest day we've ever had. Like, we're up at dawn. Just like, you're skiing on the mountain. You're like, I was just like, oh my gosh. But it was so fun. And it was so just adventurous. And I mean, Nick, we're just talking about how sometimes when you have kids, like a lot of times when you travel, we just have to change our mindset from like, oh, this is going to be so fun in terms of like, we get to do whatever we want. not that's not the case anymore. This is going to be fun in terms of this is going to be an adventure and we're going to have to, you know, overcome challenges together and things are going to go wrong and we might miss things. We might be late to things, but like this is going to be an adventure and we're going to like remember it and have great memories from it. And so that's what I felt like coming off that trip. We were there for like two or three days, two of the days we skied and then one of the days we just like were in Park City and it was so fun and had a blast. We also stayed at, if people are asking me and I haven't posted it yet, but it's called Trails and Lodge. So you can like ski in and ski out from it, which if you're good at skiing is great. Nick did it. He would like ski in and ski out, but you do have to like go down an actual, you do have to actually ski to get there. The bunny hill unfortunately doesn't lead there, but it was like such an amazing, fun, cozy. I was like, I have to do this like once a year, at least. How good am I going to get doing that. No clue. But, you know, maybe in 10 years, I'll be able to go down, you know, a blue or something like that. Yeah. Overall, amazing experience. Nice. I had so much fun. So iconic. I want to see more photos and videos. At this point, probably you'll have posted. Yeah, I didn't take many. I will say I didn't take many videos of me skiing because. No, it's actually. What is there to see? No, what is there to see? Also, it's really hard to remember to take photos and videos when you're like in snow gear. And when I'm in fight or flight. Yeah. And when you're in survival mode. On the ski lift, me with so much calm. I'm like making TikToks. The second I'm like literally clenching my ski poles. Horrifying. Yeah. Anyways. Good job. Oh, thanks. It was so fun. I was thinking like we need to go and like when the kids are older, like all the kids like Benny would love it. I feel like them just, and when they're old enough, because then we have to be three to like be in school. Cute. So cute. No, that does sound so fun. I feel like it's actually great to get your kid into something like that. We can just wear, you know, the Apre ski outfits and just hit up the lodge. That's true. Do the bunny hill a couple of times. Yeah. That's where I'll be. Yeah, exactly. Catch me at the bunny hill. Should we get into these stories? Yes. Because it is time. Support for today's episode comes from Square. 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I started parking close to him, not next to him, and pretend like I was just minding my own business and would eventually get out of the car at a similar time as him. Eventually, I did get a ticket, lol, but it all worked out. We've been together eight years and almost married for one year. Love you girls so much. Stop. That's like a very easy, you know, not creepy way to become visible to someone. I actually really support that. Yeah. That's just kind of minding your own business. But, you know, just changing destiny a little bit. Exactly. Wait, she said she didn't have a parking. he had a parking pass for the school and I did not. Yeah. So she was just taking the chance. Okay, got it. She's breaking the rules, but who cares? All in the name of love. Yeah. I stalked his name on Spotify, found his playlist. I knew it was him because his name is unique. I noticed a band that he had on every playlist. So I started listening to them religiously and bought tickets to their next tour. I asked my friend group, him included, if anyone wanted to come with me to their concert because they bought an extra ticket. He was gagged that I knew this band and went with me inviting another one of his friends to buy a GA ticket with us. They ended up ditching me while they were there and caught a ride with the girl my crush liked. That is a good one. That is a good one. He was gagged. That's so funny. That is so funny. I just want to see your face when you said that too. Like, I just love this band. It's kind of niche. I don't know if any of you guys know of it. But I'm going to their concert. I just happen to have an extra ticket. Like such a good actress. I love it. Oscar winning performance. That is actually perfect. I'm obsessed with that. But cool. He literally ditches you for your friend. Awesome. Hi, I love you guys. And you're both amazing. When I saw the prompt for the most desperate thing you've done for attention, I fear I had to share this. A few years ago, I took a thirst trap selfie on Snapchat, typed out something along the lines of, what are you up to tonight? I selected about 15 guys off the roster. 15 is crazy. To send it to. You know, someone's got to respond that way. Instead of sending it separately to each guy, I accidentally created a group chat with every single guy and sent the selfie. Everyone in the chat was so confused. I immediately left and a couple guys texted me separately saying a few people left the chat, but several ended up staying in it and started selling things like shoes to each other. Stop. There was literally nothing I could do to come back from that other than shamefully start to rebuild my roster with new people and never speak of it again. So humbling. Goodbye. I am screaming at that. They've become a friend group. Yeah. They're like, hey, what are you guys all doing in here? Okay, Bumble BFF. Can you unsend something? Is that what she said? She said she left the chat. That's actually even funnier. I screaming Sends a thirst trap in a group message creates a group message and leaves the chat They probably like what No that hilarious Also how do you explain that There's no explanation. Like how, if you're like, really liked one of the guys, like your top guy on the roster, you know, just draft or what am I saying? How are you telling him that you accidentally made a group chat? No, there's no explanation other than saying it was an accident. Sorry, I just accidentally... And then if they already had suspicions, you were like talking to one of the guys and then they're in a group chat with 15 other guys. That's hilarious. Can you imagine if a guy did that too? I was just going to say, if a guy did that with a group of 15 girls, I'd be like, he's a pig. He's disgusting. But since it's reversed, I'm like, this is awesome. It's hilarious. It's just funny, cutesy stuff. Okay, this is no joke. my ex and I broke up on really amicable terms. It felt like a right person, wrong time sort of thing. He was always in the back of my mind and I caught myself comparing anyone I ever went out with to him. I wanted to rekindle the flame, but he had taken a temporary job in Europe. So I planned a solo European vacation with a large portion of it based in the country he was living in. Oh my, wow. A whole Europe vacation? So I could stage getting lost and being stranded, call him crying and asking for help, then have him save me and we reignite our flame. Screaming. I went through with my plant and he had changed his phone number. I DMed him on Instagram. He viewed the message three weeks later and responded, you good now? Oh my gosh. Absolutely humiliating. And I never responded to him. I enjoyed the solo trip and moved on pretty quickly. Sometimes it takes a brutal embarrassment and some self-reflection to realize what really matters, which is me, myself, and I. I am screaming at that. that going to that length, planning a European solo trip. I pray you still, you know, had a fun trip, a good solo. I pray you learned some lessons on that trip. Oh my gosh. But not that you good now. Like, sir, I literally flew here for you. You good now? No, and I never will be. No, because when you're like dating and you are, you're not right. And you like someone so much, your head is not right. You're not right. You know. You're not well. You're not well and you're not thinking straight. Have you by chance seen the video of Tara Yami calling Rob, Rob, what's his last name? From Traders, Love Island and everything. Saying that she was like tripping, like on drugs, but she was like really scared. And you haven't seen it. I need to send it to you. Everyone's like, oh, I'm falling more in love with him by the second. He's like, are you safe? Like, are you good? Like, where are you? Okay, just like lay down on your bed. Like he's just like being so calm because it was like a prank. Mm-hmm. But it was just, this is reminding of it, like just anything. I mean, obviously that was a prank, but calling him crying, asking for help. Literally. Just try to get attention and pity. Yeah. Okay. I had gone on dates with a guy for a few months, but he wouldn't commit and I was getting so desperate. We were out to dinner one night and I had a whole plan with my friend to text me, but change her name to Jack on my phone. And she sent me a text saying, I've been thinking about you the past few weeks and how you're the coolest girl I ever dated. I don't know if you're seeing anyone. I would do anything for another chance with you. I purposely left my phone on the table at the restaurant and went to the bathroom and asked my friend to send the text right before getting up from the table. When I got back from the bathroom, I looked at my phone and smiled at the text and put it away. After dinner, he asked me to be his girlfriend. No. And said he didn't want to mess up by losing a chance of being with me. We did, however, break up a few weeks later when I found out he was still hanging out with his ex. Oh, amazing. The desperation was not worth it, but it worked in the moment. Yeah, see, that's the thing is like, those are never going to work or they will work, but you don't need that for the right person. Like you shouldn't have to, you know, need that level of like manipulation. Exactly. Emotional manipulation. But it's just, I mean, I get it. You're not right in the head when you're in love with somebody. I remember seeing a text from Leif's ex when we had first started like dating or hanging out. His phone was like sitting there and she texted him. Like it was, it was literally at this point, maybe he planted, but it was like unprompted. It literally was like, I miss you. Like, I want to see. And I was like, my stomach dropped. I was like, oh, another woman. No, I've experienced that as well. It's actually a horrifying feeling. And it does make you feel like more. But you know, what's at least that was like from her unprompted. I was on a date with a guy and I saw him, someone replying to a text, like a girl replying to a text that he had sent on our date. Not on the date. Yeah, that's crazy. She was like, not I'm not up to much right now. But You're like, Oh, I am. But he is. Actually, we're on a date. So. No, that's wild. I do remember that, actually. Terrifying. Okay. Hi, this happened to a friend of mine. Not to me, but it's a great story. Sure. Sure, Jan. BTW, I'm a big fan and have been since day one. I'm a listener from Russia. During our freshman year of college, my friend had a huge crush on this one guy. He was a senior and wildly popular with all the freshman girls. She couldn't figure out how to get him to notice her, and she eventually came up with a brilliant idea. One time while they were all hanging out in a big group, she decided to pretend she had a terrible stomachache so the guy would notice her and maybe help to take care of her in a romantic way. Her performance was so convincing that everyone immediately thought it was appendicitis and started to panic. She tried to calm them down, insisting it wasn't that serious, but it was too late. Someone had already called an ambulance. She ended up being taken in for an examination and it was eventually told right in front of everyone that she just had a lot of gas. Oh, that backfired. to make it all worse while she was faking her agony the guy she liked simply walked out the door and couldn't have cared less she's like yeah she's a lot she's a little too high maintenance for me you know she's getting whisked away in an ambulance goodbye just thousands of dollars with a bill yes and not a care in the world for him and your entire friend group is like so worried for you and they're like you're gassy sorry you're just bloated horrible literally awful that's so funny oh my gosh okay hi girls okay i'm cringing just typing this but here we go when i was 20 i had a massive crush on a guy i worked with he was emotionally unavailable i'm still laughing for the last one i can't he was emotionally unavailable vaguely mysterious and absolutely not interested which of course made me obsessed of course one day i noticed he casually mentioned he loved handwritten notes and romantic gestures. Instead of taking that as a normal piece of information, I spiraled. That night, I wrote him a Valentine's card, then another, then another. I ended up writing five separate anonymous love notes, sealing them in envelopes. And this is the worst part. I kissed each envelope with lipstick like I was in a 2004 rom-com. The next day, I snuck into work early and hid them throughout the office. One in his locker, one in his desk drawer, one taped under his chair, one in his car door handle, and one in the break room fridge. Girl, girl. I thought this was mysterious, romantic, iconic. Instead, he spent the whole entire day loudly asking who is leaving these. This is concerning. HR got involved. No, you're a stalker. This is concerning. I never confessed. He never liked me. And I had to walk around the office knowing I was the anonymous lipstick menace. Anyway, now I'm engaged to a man who did not need five notes and a federal investigation to fall in love with me. Love you guys. That is hilarious. And I'm wondering how big your office was because I hate to break it to you, but he probably knows you. You know, like he probably had his suspicion. Well, especially if he just told you that he likes romantic gestures and then you're like, oh, and like love notes and you're like noted. Yeah. And then you do it. Maybe if you worked in like a huge a call center or something and there's just tons of employees or did you work in a place there's like 10 of you and you're the only one who's in. I am. That's horrible. Who's leaving these? No, because that would be terrifying. That happened to me. I would actually be so scared. Obviously, it's the opposite way, but like a little more threatening. Yeah, he compares handwriting. He's like, wait, was this you that left them? You're like, it's like your lipstick shade is sitting on your desk he's like is that you oh wearing supersize me by charlotte tilbury like i know that shade anywhere i'm screaming i'm surprised you didn't put the perfume on there too that would have been amateur hour no perfume no perfume imagine she makes the notes with like she thinks she's being sweet but she like cuts out the letters like from magazines like a ransom note. It's like, I love, she thinks it's so sweet. He's like actually terrified. Call the FBI. Hi guys. Absolutely love the pod and have a consistent, have been a consistent listener for years. This is the first time I'm actually submitting and it feels like I've got the perfect story for you. Okay. So to set the scene, I was a freshman in college at the University of Kentucky. I was in one of those classic huge freshman year friend groups. If you know, you know, and of course ended up totally crushing on one of the guys. We were really close friends, but he was absolutely clueless about my feelings for him. At the beginning of our second semester, he ended up taking a night shift front desk job at my dorm. His shift was from 4 a.m. to 8 a.m. I knew I had to figure out a way to get to these shifts to hang out with him more one-on-one, but also do it discreetly. Oh no. So the first night that I knew he was going to be working, I stayed up till 4 a.m. on a school night, trying to come up with a casual way to go down and talk to him. And what did I come up with? what I went down. When I went down, I ended up walking past the desk till he noticed me. When he asked what I was doing, I sometimes, I said, sometimes I sleepwalk. Sometimes I sleepwalk the halls and end up in random places. This man did not even blink and was like, oh, cool. Checks out. I proceed to sit down and we talk till his shift is over. Throughout the semester, I would pretend to sleepwalk past him during the shift. Girl. So that we could talk and hang out for hours. Over the course of that semester, he became really close. And now almost 10 years later, he's my husband and we are expecting our first baby. You're kidding. Please, did you ever confess? Sometimes it does work to be a little crazy. Does he know you faked it? No. That is actually hilarious. That is hysterical. You are pretending to sleepwalk. That is going so far for the bit. At least it's at night. But also girls, you can use that anytime. Totally. Just in the middle of the day. It's like if you walk to his work. Sorry, sometimes I sleepwalk during my naps. Want to hang? Want to grab a coffee? But while I'm here… What's up? While I'm here, this is crazy. She should have just started a morning… A new morning routine vlog. Yeah. You know, like… I'm just starting this new series. No, I'm saying that's terrifying. Instead of… Like, that's the first clip of a get ready with me vlog. That was sleepwalking in the dark. Wait. Kelsey, that is viral material. You should make that. You should plant that. Like a ghost. Morning routine with the… You're just like walking with like a full sleep mask on in the pitch black. It's like night vision. And just walking in the backyard just in circles. Sleepwalking is terrifying. Sleepwalking is actually so scary. I'm scared of it. I can't believe that that just happens. I know. Like it's a chronic thing for some people where it's like they literally can't help it. Yeah. Sleepwalking is the worst. Sleepwalking is below that. I don't know what other sleep things there are. I saw this video. Dang it. I'm bricked. Forgot to unbrick before I left. But subtle flex. I was just about to look it up because I don't know the name of what she was calling it. But did you by chance see a video come across your desk of a girl talking about how she couldn't talk or she didn't talk for 16 years? Huh? I think it's called selective mutism. Let me look this up because I don't want to get it wrong. Like, what do you mean? From the time she was zero? until she was 16 or one day she just stopped talking. She, as a baby, okay, yeah, selective mutism is an anxiety disorder where a person is unable to speak in certain social situations. So she, as a baby, didn't cry like ever, she said. Her parents were like, oh, we can literally take her into anywhere and she doesn't cry. So that was like the first thing. I don't know if that is what that is necessarily. But then as she got older, she would like go to school and she would not talk once at school. She would talk when she's home at her house to her parents and like be normal. Yeah. And then when she would go anywhere else, she would not talk at all. And she was saying they kind of just swept under the rug like, oh, she's just shy. She like maybe has social anxiety. But then in certain situations when she would be in class and she'd have to give a presentation, she would like get up to go give it and she like couldn't, she genuinely could not speak and she would like go throw up. Because she like couldn't, was like so anxious. someone would say hi to her and she physically she's like I could not say hi back like I could not talk unless I was just like at home or in a comfortable situation it's like severe social anyway it was so interesting and she was saying that one day she she was like I'm only I can only talk now and like even talk to the camera now because of like a higher power because she was like one day I was just like am I ever going to be able to like talk in like any situation and she said that she just like made like basically was like, if there's something bigger out there, like please let me just say hi to one person today. And so she said she was like in a social situation and then someone said hi to her and she said hi back for the first time. And she was like, I was like, oh, I can like, I can do this. Like I can talk. So now I think it's still hard for her sometimes, but literally she's like, it feels like someone is like choking me. Like I actually cannot speak. It's not just a like, like, come on, do it. Yeah, I'm scared. It's like a, you know, disorder. it was so interesting I've never heard of that before that's crazy but I was like this is so people were commenting they're like I have this too like thank you so much for talking about it because she was like I'd never heard of anyone else have it or talk about it so I just felt like so alone because I'm like why am I like this like I cannot speak and that was so interesting it is it actually is that's kind of what we were talking about in the or it goes back to what we're talking in the episode when we were talking about community, like, I think that you have to give like credit where credit is due that like going out and like having even being able to like whip up conversation with a stranger takes practice and it's not easy for everybody. And it like it really takes a lot of hard work and some more than others. But it really is so it's not an easy thing to just like whip up conversation with somebody or like ask someone about themselves. Like it takes practice and it takes so much work. I saw this kind of similar video of this man who has a stutter and he will go around and like practice talking to people. I saw him every time because it's just like that you understand like how hard that is for them and like how uncomfortable and like that is so brave of them and like just wow like courageous of them to go out and they'll go in public and he'll hand this video where he's like like ask he's like I'm gonna ask everybody about like their holiday, whatever. And he like, so I think he was in Europe. And he would just be like, he's like, hey, do you mind if I like, I'm practicing talking? And he would tell the person and they'd be like, oh, and they were, everyone was so sweet. Like, they're just like, oh yeah. Like, how was your holiday? And he'd be like, good. But he would be having a stutter and like be trying to get it out. And you can tell it's like so hard for them to like get it out. It's like a real thing. And so, yeah, that is. There are so many roadblocks in like, yeah, in life or in certain people's lives, things they deal with that make, things that are simple to other people. Daily tasks. Yeah, very difficult. And it's actually so cool that on TikTok, people spread awareness for things like that. Like, I feel like that's one of the beautiful parts of social media is being able to see like so many different, because I feel like I would have never heard of that if I hadn't seen her video and come across it. It went pretty viral. So I'm happy that it's like getting out to a wide array of people. But Yeah. Yeah. It's wild. It is wild. Wow. What a turn we took. We covered quite— We covered all types of grounds today. And that's what we do here at the What We Said podcast. That's what we do, guys. Get ready for another episode on Thursday and switch your schedule in your mind, you guys, mentally, Tuesday and some Thursdays. Okay? 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