PHOEBE ROBINSON Got Thrown In a Trashcan

Hey everybody. Hey Pashi. Hey Sufi. This is, you know, head on over to YouTube if you're just listening. Oh yeah. This is a weird one because we're... We're sitting side by side shoulder to shoulder. And we're doing this because we're recording this on January 9th. Yeah. January 8th, I turned 50. You did. And you flew out here on a red eye last night to surprise me for a day. For a day. I flew on a, well not a red eye. Well, I guess it was a red eye. I left New York on a 10 o'clock flight, landed in LA at 2 in the morning. Yep. Came over here at 10. Mm-hmm. We went on a long ass hike. Yeah. But a great hike. A great hike. I loved it. Good opportunity to chat, catch up. Then we went out, we were coming straight from lunch. Mm-hmm. Where I made the mistake of enthusiastically getting a cocktail. One? Well, I didn't finish the second one. Because I think I realized I made terrible things. And then I'm taking a red eye back to New York tonight. So I'll be on the ground for a little under 24 hours. But it's well worth it. I mean, talking about a family trip, your brother only turns... Are we said? Did we say? Yeah, I said, yeah, 50. Your brother only turns 51, so I wanted to be with you. And I'm really happy I came. It's been wonderful. But because I'm here, we're recording this intro together. And also, if you're on YouTube, you'll see there's streamers. Yeah. Because your wife, Mackenzie, hung up streamers. Hung up some streamers yesterday while I was in the closet, which is where I record the songs. So I was recording a song for this episode last night. And I was done and my wife said, you have to stay in there because I'm doing something. So I had to sit in there for a while. Also, we're in my dining room. Yeah. I knew I was in my dining room. Well, I didn't know you were in your dining room, and now I feel terrible because right after this, I'm going to use your dining room to do an episode of the Lonely Island podcast. And I did not realize that that meant that you and your wife will have to be quiet. Yeah. She's going to get home. Like right in the middle. Right. So that's unfortunate. Yeah. But it's okay. This is what we got to do. I appreciate it. Yeah. And let's see, what else? Oh, also, I did surprise you, but due to the fact that we do podcasts together, the surprise got ruined. Right, because we had to record this intro and we were trying to figure out when to do it, if I had to do it alone. And then your assistant, Chelsea, who's wonderful, feels bad about this. I do not hold it against her. She, in trying to find a solution, said, well, you guys will be together tomorrow. So maybe you could just do it tomorrow. And I was like, oh, I bet this was a surprise. Yeah. And it's again, it's totally not her fault. I did fire her because... No. Well, I mean, I'm going to rehire her. Oh, okay. Yeah, I do wonder to spin out over the course of the week. No, not her fault at all. And then, which was, I said to Alexi, oh, you know, the surprise got ruined. And even Alexi said, I didn't know it was a surprise. Yeah. So that is the issue is that I shouldn't have asked all the people helping me to arrange. I shouldn't have told them it was a surprise. You should have said, hey, I'm going to go out and surprise my brother. Yeah. Yeah. You left that out. And I'm noticing that if you're watching on YouTube, these little sort of glittery streamers kept, keep getting the focus. Yeah. So we're going in and out of focus, which is a little bit how I feel after my one and a half cocktails. All right. So I'll admit now it's one and a half. Yeah. But it's been a great week for me. I went up to Mammoth alone Monday through Wednesday and went skiing. And then I came home, woke up here on my birthday. My wife had arranged a falconry experience for me. So we met an owl, a hawk and a falcon in this park in Los Angeles. I got to put on those leather gloves and have these amazing birds of prey swoop up and land on my arm. Yeah. It was really cool. A great lunch out with my lady. We should post a photo of you and the falcon because it does look like you're dressed the same. Yeah. Mackenzie told me what to wear. We didn't know, that was a surprise. I didn't know what was happening, but she told me what to wear. And so, yeah. She was like, wear one heavy glove. Whatever you consider your falcon arm. You're non-dominant. Save your dominant arm. Wear a fireplace glove and a chain mill shirt. But yeah, it was very cool. And a great gift, a great, unique gift. Yeah. And then we went on our hike today and all three of those birds followed us the whole way. We took your dog Woody on the hike. Yeah. He loves a hike and he does not stop. He says hello to everyone on the hike and some people not into dogs. You gave me an option. You said you want to go on a 45 minute hike, which I will admit sounded like the long version. Oh, yeah. And then I go, what's the other option? And you said a long one. And I was like, oh brother. But then you kind of, I mean, again, it's your birthday. Yeah. So happy we did the long one. Yeah. And that also, it's not, you can blame the cocktail if you want, but I feel like it's not a trip for you to where I live if you don't fall asleep on my couch. It's like, I do take great joy. Yeah. Because I know how hard you work, how much you travel. And I always try to provide you a place to take a nap because I know you napping on a couch is probably one of your most natural states. I mean, yeah. I feel like it's when I've returned to what I should be doing. And it should be noted that I've already done a little bit of math and I feel confident that I can bang out my next podcast and still get a little bit of a nap before dinner. And then on the plane, you can sleep on the plane. I got to sleep on the plane. Yeah. Well, you have to because you're going to hit the ground running there too. Oh brother. This was a lovely, we had a lovely conversation. Yeah. With Phoebe Robinson. You know her from Two Dope Queens. Yeah. We had a great new stand-up special on YouTube. Called I Don't Want to Work Anymore. She's been working hard. She's a sort of legendary podcaster. She's a writer. She's written for a lot of great television shows. You should let her come take a nap here on your couch as well. Oh yeah. I'd be happy to. This should be a sanctuary for all those who work hard. Oh my God, we got to get rid of these. We can't get the focus back. Is it that there's two of us or do you think it is those? I think it's the streamers. Yeah. Yeah. And now the streamers, which are very cute, but we need to, do you want me to tell Mackenzie? Because Mackenzie, according to you, might want to keep these up for another eight days until her birthday. Her birthday is eight days after. They're not okay. You can't have streamers up at home. Yeah. Not a home like this. If you have a home where you have a wing that you don't use all the time. Right. And you want to hang up streamers and keep them up for eight days. Or if you live in a nightclub. Yeah. We're going to have to figure out what to do with these for your episode of Long the Island. But I think I do want to apologize that I'm here for your 50th and I'm going to do multiple podcasts. But do enjoy. Happy birthday. Thank you. I can't believe I got a little brother who's 50 years old. Yeah. Considering I'm only 42. Oh yeah. Yeah. As I've been told, that's what I look like. Yeah. When I'm out of focus. All right. Thanks for listening everybody. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Hey. Hi. How's it going? Good. How are you guys? We're so nice to see you. So nice to see you too. I think we're all in the same city. This rarely happens. I happen to be in New York right now. You're a New Yorker now. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in Brooklyn. Yeah. You're from Bedford, Ohio. Yes, I am. Your research. Good job. We're from Bedford. Well, we were from Bedford, New Hampshire. And I'm assuming they're identical. Exactly the same. Yep. I'm wondering how many, I bet there's a fair amount of Bedfords. I wonder how many states have a Bedford. ChatGPT, do you just say it out loud? ChatGPT. How many, and then when do they get back to you? I'll find out. We'll figure it out. But you've been in New York forever. Oh my God. Yeah. I moved out here to go to college. So I went to Pratt Institute. So I moved out here. Unfortunately, I'm not here. So I moved out here. I'm 41. So wait, I moved out here 2002. Right after me. I'm gonna leave. I was a 2001er. Yeah. But you, but, and then you, I mean, you must have been in LA for patches or no. I, when I wrote on the last season of Port Landy, I lived Got it. And now I mean Fred and Carrie are just the best. So I was like so fun. So fun. And I've gone and I've visited, but I've only ever truly lived in New York as an adult. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And you're prolific with your books, your podcasts, your series, and then your latest specials. I'm mad when somebody writes a book every two years. I'm angrier than when they do a special. But she doesn't wanna do it anymore, Suf. She doesn't wanna work anymore. Listen, I work so much to make not a lot of money. So I don't think I'm doing it right. Gotcha. So you're like, I could stop working and do just as well. Well, no, I need to get a sugar daddy. I can't just stop working. Right, right, but that's not even worth. So, and you have one older brother. I do, yeah. He's four years older than me. Back in Cleveland, married, has two kids, lives like 20 minutes from my parents. So it's like really cute. Gotcha. So Bedford was a Cleveland suburb, is that? Yeah, yeah. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. And were you guys close? Four years, I'm wondering like boy first, four year gap, what's the closeness level? We were kind of double trouble. Like I definitely wanted to do whatever he was doing. And I wanted to play like pick up basketball with his friends and I watched wrestling, like I got in the sports like every, like I just wanted to follow him around. Well, that's good. And do you feel like, was he welcoming to you following him around? Yeah, I think he was pretty good about it. I mean, he definitely always likes to roast me or like in high school, I feel, I feel there, I distinctly remember him putting me in a trash can. Asking for it, asking for it, I don't know where. Of course, I, you know, when you're the little one, it's like you don't have the physical prowess, but you got a mouth. Right, right, right. You know how to say sassy things. And so I think he put me in a trash can and I deserved it. Do you think when you're going in a trash can, you realize it's better not to fight it and just to keep all your sort of extremities in cause you go in the trash can, you get out later? Yeah, you just, you just collapse, you know? You just let them do his business so that you can move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you ever like get so busy with work that you kind of like wish you were back in the trash can and just had a minute to just be by yourself? Just like, oh, what I wouldn't give for a little time in the trash can. Yeah, it's just to rest. Although the way that the business is right now, I'm like, I feel like I'm in a trash can. Like it's just- Yeah, it's kind of a trash can. It's nuts. It is not the most robust time, but you, I mean, shout out to a diversified portfolio because, I mean, you were very early to podcasting, stand up. Yeah, I was. I just got to interrupt. You guys have great skin. And I just, it's worth saying because, you know- We are old like guys. Why people don't- Okay, you were going there anyway. You're not old. You know what I'm just gonna say? Why people don't always like age well and I feel like skincare is still not something that white men do, but you guys, your skin is really, it's phenomenal. I'm very, I'm delighted to look at both of you. I'll tell my wife because I don't do anything and she wants to get me on a regime regimen rather. And I'm not done. She's right. She's right though. You should do it. My wife sent me to a high-end dermatologist who sold me some very expensive creams. And then I brought him home and Alexi and me, it was like, you're never gonna put those on your face. I'm like, no, she gave me, you just put a little bit like this and a little bit like this. She goes, I'm literally watching the last time you're ever gonna do this. And she was not wrong. So it's just wealth that is just keeping, like the security of knowing you have so much money, you're checking and counting just being full. Yeah, you don't even have to put anything on your face. Yeah, yeah, got it. It's so interesting. It's so interesting how it works. The funny thing is Josh is fair-skinned and I tan up like immediately. So despite our massive similarities, like Josh really, Josh will put an industrial-sized tub of lotion on his face when he goes out in the sun. Yeah, I do sunscreen. Yeah, got to, got to. That sun hurts me. So growing up, what were your parents doing growing up? My parents were just, first of all, Phil and Octavia are the cutest people. They've been married for 45 years, I think together, 47, 48. They met at, they were working at a fast food restaurant and my dad, he always tells me the story, he goes, he goes, I know this sounds crazy, but when she walked into the room, like the shape of the room changed and I knew she was the one. That's great. How old were they when that happened? So this is the crazy bit. So my dad is four years younger than her. So I think they met, yes. So they met, I believe when he was 16 or 17, so they were chatting and then he says something, she goes, wait, what college do you, what college do you go to? Like this is tracking. And he said like his high school, she was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So she truly was like, boy, get the hell out of here. No thanks. And he just was so smitten and thought she was like, so wonderful and so smart and so whatever. And so anyway, so my mom is an accountant. And so when my dad, when my brother and I were young, my dad sort of stopped working and he really took care of the kids. He was like a pioneer out here making lunch, dropping us off at school, helping us with the, like it was just really, they just are such a good team. I like to think that when he was 17, his game was like, I'm gonna look after your kids. I'm gonna make lunch. I'll babysit, essentially. You know what's not like you go to college. He's like, I don't. Does this work? That's fantastic. Yeah. And they're still besties, Matley and love. What's funny is I think I get my sort of like, some of this is astrological because I'm a Libro with like a Scorpio. So it's a lot of energy. But also my dad is sort of like the sentimental one. So he and I went on like a dad, daughter, date to go see that ballerina, that like action movie. And so we were driving back to my parents place and he like, went to go call her to like talk to her about something. And he has her in his phone as my love. And I go, oh, I fucking know what my mom has. So I go, I go, I go, hey mom, what do you have dad as in your phone? And she goes, Philip senior. And I go, that sounds like Octavia. Yeah. Just very formal. My love in Philip senior. That's really good. I, it's funny when you say Matley and love, cause I would say like mom and dad are Matley and love. Yeah. But I also maybe say more accurate is like, mad and in love. They're definitely like in love. They're just, it seems like maybe there's a little bit more fireworks than Octavia and Philip. Well, I think why part of why their relationship works is I think my dad is a little bit of the golden retriever of the two. Like my mom is very much like straight shooter, like, you know, analytical, whatever. And she's always like, oh yeah, if anything ever happened with your dad, she's like, we're never dating again. She's like, I don't, I don't have time for that. Like she's fully just like, yeah. Yeah. Analytical, analytical posh. Would you say that describes our mom? No. Do you think, I know that your brother is also Phil. So he's Philip Jr. But do you think any part of your mother calling your father Philip senior is to make up for him being four years younger? Yeah, the age gap. She's finally closing the age gap to sort of be like, he's not that 16 year old kid that I met that I dated when I was 20. He's Philip senior. Was there any thought do you think to you being, I guess you name sons after dads more than you name daughters after moms, but there was never a chance you were gonna be at Octavia. No. So my mom went at all P names because she really like loved my dad so much. And so Phoebe Snow is one of my dad's favorite jazz singers. Oh yeah, the best. So he named me, yeah, so he named me after her. Oh, that's great. So cute. The more I talk about it, I'm like, we're so gross. It's the best, we love it. Have they been, can I, and I'll turn it back to Josh. What age did they know what you were gonna do? Is it obvious to them that you had like a performer Jean? No, cause I, like I remember always like watching like movies and TV shows. I was a voracious reader, all that stuff, blah, blah, blah. But like I was never like, like I didn't really do much theater in high school. I didn't like, it wasn't a class clown. Like I was funny. Every one of my family's funny. I'm like, I think I'm the funniest, but everyone in my family has a good sense of humor. So there was never anything that was sort of foreshadowing. Like, oh, even when I was like, oh, when I'm, you know, go to New York to go to college, it was never like, oh, that's because she's gonna really become a performer. And I accidentally got into standup. Like I never thought about doing it. I didn't think it was like a real job, you know? And a girlfriend of mine, this was like 2008. She wanted to take a class at Caroline's, but she didn't want to do it by herself. And so she was like, why don't you just come and do it? And I was like, standup is like so lame. And she was like, you hate your day job, just do it with me. And so that's how I ended up doing standup. It was a happy accident. That's great. And did you love it right away? I did. And did you, and I feel like when, if parents think they're funny and a kid tells them, oh, I'm doing standup now, I think they feel very, it's almost like, oh, finally, somebody figured out how funny I was. Let my child do it. My parents were pretty supportive. Like I think they've been supportive with me and my brother. I think they've always wanted us to sort of follow our bliss and just as long as we're able to support ourselves financially, then they were like pretty on board, which is like nice. A lot of people don't have that. A lot of people have parents who just like fight against whatever their kids' dreams are. And I always think that that is like rough. Yeah. Well, I think also if you're succeeding in standup and your parents, I'm guessing, would come to see you occasionally, there's that feedback of an audience that's kind of hard to deny. Like if you're doing well and if you sort of are able to keep doing it, I imagine that your parents are like, oh, I guess this is a thing. Like the proof is in the pudding. And the pudding is the laughs that are coming out of these audiences. Yeah. And I think they saw me do a show in Cleveland. This was maybe, I think my second year doing standup. And I did a good enough job and everyone laughed. I mean, I would never have them see me now because my material is just so... It's too much. I like I told her, I was like, don't watch this special. There's nothing here for you. That's great. Just don't do it. Like Thanksgiving does not need to be awkward. Just support, give me a heart emoji and a text and that's it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, Josh. Well, I was gonna get into trips, but keep going. Well, I was gonna ask just before you get into trips, were your parents from the area? Did they grow up in Ohio as well? Yeah, they grew up in Ohio. So, and yeah, I don't know if they'll always stay there. I think they will. I do think there is a dream world where if my dad could just like buy a farm somewhere and like no one talked to him. I think he'd be into it. You know, my mom would be there, but he just does the outside world. He's like, I'm so good. And I'm like, I get it. I get it. I would say that veers pretty hard from our dad, Posh. He does not need a farm. No. He might go to a farm and be heard if Phoebe's dad was there. He'd be like, oh, I'll go tell him a story. Yeah. This is the story. This message is brought to you by Apple Card. Apple Card is designed with your iPhone in mind, making it easy to get started and even easier to use. Apple Card is a no fee credit card you can apply for right from the wallet app on your iPhone. Apple Card has no annual fee, no late fees, and no foreign transaction fees. No fees, period. Every credit card should be this easy. Get started in the wallet app today. 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I truly think my brother and I stopped giving each other shit at like a year and a half ago. Like it's really bitter. Like they have been like, like my parents would be like, we're going to die. Are you guys still going to do this shit? So good. Were you, was it just verbal barbs or were you taking swings at each other back there? It's the whole like, oh, I'm touching you. I'm not touching you. The like, the like squeezing each other's arms is sort of like talking over each other. Like he would always just be like, you were adopted. Like nobody, like he would just like, nobody wanted you. Like for years he would be like, nobody wanted you. And I would be like, it's emotional terrorism cause I would like take it to heart. I was like a little kid and be like, like they'd be like, stop telling her no one wanted her. I feel like when you say like a long drive to Niagara Falls, I feel like is only worth it if you could take the falls all the way home. You know what I mean? Like top of a ski mountain. Yeah. And like I feel like the real failure was made to not like sort of dig out sort of just to like four major cities, like from the falls, you could take it all the way to Cleveland. Little log flume ride. Yeah. Wait, of the two of you, who terrorized who? We weren't big terrorizers. I was probably more violent. The answer is Josh, but we'll let him, it'll be more healthy for him therapeutically if he gets there on his own. Keep going. I would, I think I'd freak out more and maybe like, you know, take some swings. I chased him with a golf club once. Yeah. It was very little. I mean, that golf, we were like, that was before we left Michigan. So I was before I was five. You chased me with a golf club in New Hampshire. Did I? Yeah. Do you hit me with a golf club in Michigan? You chased me with a golf club in New Hampshire. But that was a mistake. Yeah, yeah, I'm not blaming you for hitting me with a golf club, except for the fact that it was mini golf and you swung like you fucking Jim Palmer. You shouldn't stand right behind somebody with a golf. Jack Nicholas. Yeah. You shouldn't stand behind someone with a golf club. Yeah, well, obviously I learned my lesson. Josh was also a real like, I don't know, like just like a naggy rules kid. And so like when we were like, when I was like, let's say 17, our parents went away and I had like four friends come over and they brought like one six pack with like three bears. Like I think three beers still left on it. And Josh, like we were like just literally four guys splitting three beers, like pouring it in the cups. Josh came down and was like, you're not my brother. I mean, it was, I was coming out of the hole, just say no, Nancy Reagan era. I don't think she was like, I don't think it was just a no to Coors Light. Like you're the only one who thought like Nancy didn't go hard enough. I had never seen drugs. Phoebe, I had never seen my big brother drink a beer and I was shook. Yeah. Oh my God, that's good use of shook. I applaud you on that. Now I'm 51 and I binge drink in a popular YouTube segment. Guess what, backfired bro. So Niagara Falls, what about where you guys, did you have, were grandparents a part of your life? Oh yeah, no. Because of tragic endings or just bad people. Bad people. Oh no. Yeah, both my parents came from like not so great. That's better Josh than like good people who died super young. Yeah. Yeah, they were just like hot garbage. And so my parents were very much like wanted to protect us, which I think was ultimately like the right way. So you never like, did you see them on holidays or anything? I remember meeting my dad's mom once. Gotcha. And I have like, I think one or two pictures with her, but like that's it. It was just a very sort of like, it was like succession, but no one had money and there was like nothing to give. HBO's a pass. Yes. What about succession? Oh, your show's about hurt feelings? No. You know how people like fancy locations? Nobody goes anywhere in this one. Well, I was just staying in the inner city of Cleveland and it's sad. Our grandmother, our grandparents on our mom's side got divorced and then our grandmother remarried and we knew our step-grandfather fairly well. We only met our grandfather once. Yeah, I don't, and I have no real memory of it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it's the same thing. There's like one photo and it feels like one of those pioneer family photos where they just took it so it exists. Like nobody, like there's no emotion is being felt other than like we are now taking the photo to show that we were here. Quick, gather for the photo. The photographer is getting back on his wagon. So Niagara Falls, do you have any memory of like what you did up there or it was really just the getting there and the getting back, did you? I hope you saw the falls. Yeah, we saw the falls. Could you imagine if like we did everything but that? Yeah. We went and got buffalo wings at three different places and then we were like, ah, did you go on the boat? Did you go on the maid of the mist? Do you recall? Yeah, I think we did the maid of the mist. You know, one of the things that I do remember about, it was either that trip or a different family trip. So my brother, and I love him so much, he's such a good egg, such a good person. But when he was younger, he like only wanted to poop at home. Yeah. Like he never wanted to use any other bathroom any other time. I feel like we did like a weekend trip and he was like, I'm not pooping in this hotel. Oh wow, I get like a restaurant but I feel like a hotel becomes your home. Yeah, he got backed up. He was not even a proxy home, oh wow. No, he got backed up, but it didn't end well for him. It was like, you gotta take a shit. Yeah. Like just, it's fine. It's a hotel, it's a hotel. Like I'm just not in control of that. I can't say like I'm shutting it down for the weekend and I'll get back to this when I turn home. It's like. Real quick, PBM is gonna jump in and say, Josh is shit his pants multiple times as an adult and not because of alcohol. Not because of alcohol, but also not in over 10 years. Okay. I shit myself. So wait, see over 10 years, you're 49 now. Yeah, so I'm sorry, it didn't happen when he was an adult. He was an adult. I didn't do the math right. Circumstances feed. I'm on your side. I'm on your side. I shit myself during COVID. So it is fine. You know, it happened to me too. I don't know why I'm judging Josh. I went on a. I've been on both of you more recently than it happened to me. It's true. I was on a run during COVID and I realized like I wasn't gonna make it home. And then I think I made it like to the driveway, which is a heartbreaker, cause it was like a five mile run. So if I'd just done 497, I would have been fine. And I went from going up and my kids were really little and they were like at the door being like, Daddy, daddy. And I was like, get away. Get away. Not a great moment. So I don't know. You know, running, this is a thing, cause I'm a marathoner and people who don't run don't understand how much a poop schedule. Like you get obsessed with the timing of your shit. It's crazy. Yeah. Now, okay. Because we've taken some trips. I've run a couple of marathons and we made trips out of them. Which ones? It's their weird ones. Leiden in Holland, Helsinki in Finland and then Stockholm and Sweden. All the classics. What do you mean? No, it's just like, but we picked ones that were fun to go to, like places I wouldn't have gone to. How many, have you ever done one because you wanted to take a trip to that place or do you just try to pick one that you think is a good vibe? That's all my list. So I've done four. I'm about to do the Philadelphia Marathon in two weeks. I would say my favorite was probably Tokyo. That was incredible. Oh, so there you go. I mean, that's fantastic. That was so fun. Oh my God, it's the best time. Incredible. All right, so for people who don't know, and like again, we're in the, obviously a week away or 10 days after the New York City Marathon and everybody who does it talks about how amazing it is. Have you done New York? Yeah, I did it last year. Okay, gotcha. So hard. Oh my God. So funny, like everybody says how hard it is. Is the hard part that you just forget it's not flat? It's that it has the most rolling hills of all the majors. So it's like, you don't really get like a lot of relief. And for me, I had shin splints because I was over-training and like under-recovering. So I was trying to rest as much as I could. So I was like maybe 80%. Yeah. So I would say the first 16 miles I was cooking, I was like, oh, I'm gonna PR. This is gonna be a personal best. Like, oh my God. And then like my right shin start to fail me, then my right hamstring, then my right ankle. And I was, you know, I like flew my parents out. I was like, this is gonna be so great. We'll have my New York moment. And we were on a group chain and I was like, guys, I think I'm in trouble here. And I was like, I started crying. I was like, this is kind of hell. My parents like, just finish, just finish. And it was hard. And the hardest part, people say it's going over the Queensborough Bridge, cause you're just alone with your thoughts, which I think is like totally fine. Cause then you go off on first half and the wall of sound is amazing. It is that you're going through Central Park. And so like the hills don't stop. I'm like, I want this to be over. That's, a friend of mine said the same thing, which is like, you just, he goes when you think about going through Central Park on any day other than the marathon, you never think it's hilly. And then all of a sudden it's the marathon. You're like, the fuck? Yes. Yeah. So it's really, I want to do it again. And I would say you should do it. I think you will love it. It's so hard. Did you grind it out? Did you make it? Did you finish it last year? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got it. Yeah. I don't know how I did it, but I did. I over-trained for Stockholm. You were there, Josh. I wasn't there for Stockholm. You were there. I don't go to Marathon, so you don't finish. Right. So Josh has spoiled the ending. But I had a really bad IT. I over-trained IT band. And so I had to like fully stop training for a month leading up to it, but we had the trip. And I was like, maybe I'll just see how I do. You know what I mean? And I same thing. And I made it about 10 miles faster than my pace. And then like collapsed against like, what was probably a Volvo. And I just remember feeling like, thank God I'm anonymous here. And then like a Swedish teen went by, he was like, guys, I'm Mars. I don't really know. And nothing's worse, by the way, than finding your way home. Like wearing a marathon bib and like walking through the streets and trying to find a place to like cross where everybody's running to get back to your hotel. It was awful. So what mile did you do DNF? Between 10 and 11. It was like, once my knee collapsed, I could barely like walk. It was like, it felt like, it was like not like pain. It was like a crumbling of it. But Tokyo, had you been to Tokyo before? Or was that the first time? Never been to Tokyo. It was amazing. The food was so good. Yeah, that was kind of, it's a bucket list destination for me. So did you go, how far in advance do you go to make sure your clock's right for the marathon? I got there three and a half, four days beforehand. And even like after the marathon, I was taking a nap every day. Like it was just so hard to like adjust. And then when I came back here, it took me two weeks to get back on New York time. And people were like, are you sure you're not ill? And I was like, you do understand that when you leave Tokyo, you fly back to New York and you're back in the same day in which you left. Your body's like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. You're confused. Yeah, it's a weird one. It's so weird. Who was your crew over there? Did you go over solo or did you have other runners that you were with or friends, family? I had a girlfriend, her name is Sean. We met, cause I'm a big YouTube fan and she used to work for you too. So we ran it together. And then I know this Peloton instructor, Jeffrey, he also ran it, but he was like much faster than us. So, but it was just such a magical, it was such a great experience. Like what is great about New York is that people turn the fuck up, the energy is amazing. Everyone's yelling and screaming. And you're like, yasha, yasha, yasha. And like Tokyo, like they don't turn up. Like they turn up, like they are there, but they're not turning up. You know what I mean? Yeah. They're not like screaming, they're not, you know. It's more of a reserved culture. Yeah, yeah. But it was like so fun. You're like running through the city of Tokyo. You're like, what am I ever gonna do this again? So it's amazing. Yeah, yeah. And did you sort of take advantage of being there other than the running? Were you, did you go and were you a tourist? Yes, I did like a tea ceremony. I ate my weight in sushi. I went through like all these markets. Like I went to like museums. Like I like did so much. Like it was just such an incredible experience. And it was so like, like I remember getting like walking down into the subway station and I was like, why is it clean? I was like, where's the trash? Where's someone like screaming? I was like, New York is so fucking ghetto. Like if you go overseas, you're like, New York is like kind of a third world country. Like we literally like we're chaos and we get everything. We have like all this like energy, but like Tokyo was like light years ahead. It's funny, I think like for people who like were in New York in the 70s, they're like, it's actually really nice now. But like, and then you compare it to anywhere literally in the world. It's like, it's not that nice. No, the number of rats, I see rats all the fucking time. Yeah. They say if you see one rat, then 10 rats have seen you. That's actually probably what they say. Yeah, I think that's pretty true. I was saying like, this is how bad the rats are. Is like when Eric Adams hired a rats are, he didn't do it like he didn't do it quietly. Like you think like you wouldn't want to get the word out to the whole world that like we needed a rats are, but there's like, he's like, yeah, we had to bring somebody in there just like the rat guy now. And I'm like, don't do a press conference. So embarrassing. I've been to other stateys and people have been like, oh, I want to come to New York, but I've heard about the rats. Yeah. So that's Eric Adams contribution as he really got the rats of it all out there. Yeah. The best is when you see one and you're like, that's couldn't have been around. That's far too big. You know what I mean? Like to see the shadow of like, I was clearly. That's a capybara. He has a capybara. So honey, call the zoo. See if a capybara is loose. I've met a capybara. Have you ever guys ever met a capybara? Oh yeah, you told me about that. Yeah. What? Yeah. We went to Uruguay, not just for the capybaras, but then we met one. Wow. Met. I met a capybara. I was at a party. He went to his house for a tea. Well, it was somebody else's house, but we were both friends with the same guy who was having a wine tasting. Can I join one of your family trips? Cause you guys go great places and I'm not in the best place financially to be taking all these trips. So if I could just tag along. Sure, sure, sure. And I will cover snacks. I got you on snacks. Yeah. Well, back to some of your family trips. Where else would you guys go? Would you take sort of like a spring vacation? Like during spring break, would you always try to go somewhere in the summer? Or like what were your summers like? We weren't summering, babe. We didn't have the money to do that. I know you weren't summering, but you could go somewhere. We didn't summer either. Yeah, we just stayed at home. I didn't say it as a verb, you did. I mean, I summer now. Oh, I summer now. We would do like, you know, like state fairs and stuff like that. Like we would do like one tank trips. That was like a big thing that we would do. Where it's like you can go somewhere like pretty easy and come back home. And so like, I think what I always liked about our family trips is that we were always just such a little core unit. And we actually like didn't fight much on family trips. I know it sounds like that sounds bizarre. Cause usually like that brings out the sort of like fight. Like even like at like real housewives, like the biggest fights happen on the trips. But like we didn't have that. But we like fought in other ways, but we're okay now. We would not fight on trips. We were, Josh and I certainly never fought on trips. Did you, you mentioned being a reader. Like I will say my summers. When I think back to like, what did I love most about my summer? It was like being in my bedroom with no homework stress, like just reading a book. And like sometimes I think like, if there's anywhere I could be, it would be like in that room, just with the windows open. Yeah. I mean, look, I got all these books over here. No, I think you had somebody come in for the podcast to put a bookshelf up. Did you always color coordinated your bookshelves? Listen, I do and people hate it. And they're like, how, how will you find a book that you, I'm like, I'll find it. Yeah. I'll find it. It's not a big deal. It's not the New York public library. It's an apartment. I also think there's a little bit of joy in looking at a book. I think like the fun of a bookshelf is that moment of like running your fingers over the spine. It's looking for delicious. It's, I love it. What were you reading as a kid? Like what was your, what was your early? Oh, I was kind of reading everything. Like my dad is a big supporter of libraries. So like he is all about, let's go to the library, let's check out some books. And he says, like, check out like CDs and like movies. And I would like do all of that. So it's such a like, that is, I know this sounds like a, oh, like to sort of romanticize the past. But I do really think this like, the fact that you can get information at your fingertips rather than going to a location that had all of the physical information is such a like, it's such a bummer. There's something great about the Dewey Decimal System and smelling these old ass books and like taking them out and being like, oh, this is like such, it's an event. I'm getting new books. It's an event. Our mom, I think to this day, still will reserve a book at our local library. Absolutely. Like if a new book is coming out. Love it. Same with my dad. And there was a big, she would bring home, cause we had a video story, like pre-blockbuster video story, but there was also like foreign films were at the library. And so she come with like foreign films and like Anita Baker CDs. Like, I mean, it's so funny to be like, I'm gonna, we're gonna listen to Anita Baker this week while I make dinner. And watch Babette's feast. It's also just nice to think about the things you would do. Like just like when I mean like, oh, you know, what are we gonna do? I'll let, you know, we're gonna go to the library. And I used to love it. Again, I'm just like. It's the best. Yeah. The scholastic book fairs that we used to have, like, you know, every kid would maybe get like two or three books and they'd come through. And it was just so exciting to get your. My son's school has the book fair and it's the best. And I've written a children's book and they had it at the book fair. And last year I was there and one of my son's friends bought it. And I said, did you want me to sign it for you? And he said, no. So that was, I wish I'd had gone out on that limb. Yeah. He had a nice, nice fresh book, Sophie. Yeah, he was like, yeah, I know. You buy one and we'll draw all over it. But yeah, I just, because I did not, I don't know about y'all, I did not really care for school. And so I didn't always like the things that we were assigned, especially like in high school. So I always wanted to read, like I remember in high school, I went to this predominantly white high school, Gilmore Academy, it's a great school. And they, this was, oh God, I think this was like, we had assigned summer reading. So I mean, I think it might be going into sophomore year. And we were assigned Tom Brokaw's The Greatest Generation. And I'm like, babe, it wasn't great for me. Well, I feel you, I apologize. I got the generation wrong. Rare, first time I got to do my broke on the Podposh. Yeah, I know. You beat me to it. That was pretty good. And I think yours was gonna be better, but I was definitely. I was more, I mean, I'm almost, this is Tom Brokaw, I haven't been sitting all night like this. Oh, a great story like Monsters Inc. stays with you forever. And Disney Plus is where you'll find your next great story from the return of the award-winning hit series, Rivals. Welcome to the naughtiest show on television. To the unmissable crime drama, High Potential. Gotta dead body, gotta go. A lifetime of great stories awaits. This spring on Disney Plus, 18 plus subscription required, T's and C's apply. Here we go. So, State Fair, talk to me about the State Fair. What are some highlights at the Ohio State Fair? Do you look forward to anything? Or are you like, we're just going and I shouldn't even say that I'm excited? Well, it's so fun. Like there's a picture of, oh gosh, how old was I? It's like the cutest little Polaroid, but it's a picture of my brother and I on donkeys. And I could not have been happier. I was like, thriving. I was like, this is what life is all about. Like I fully loved it. So I think it was like the animals part of it. It felt like very fun and cool. In a way that like going to the zoo always felt like they're in jail. But I'm sort of like at State Fair, it's also like not great. But I just felt like they're out in the grass. So it must be like, okay. But yeah, I think it was like that. And it was like the food because my parents- It's like one of those country club prisons for like white collar criminals. You know, it's still jail, but like it's just nicer. Exactly. And like the food, I remember, you know, just like eating like just so much cotton candy and just like funnel cake and like all the stuff that like my parents are like, they're healthy eaters. They're healthier now because they're like vegan. But back then they just like didn't want us to have like a ton of junk food, but they would like let us run free at like a little fair. Nice. Josh, you're not gonna jump all over this vegan news? Well, I'm vegan Phoebe, but I don't want to lord it over everyone, but Seth wants me to. That's also why your skin is good. That is also why your skin is good. I'm telling you, you're doing the right things. Thank you. And if you saw me in prison, you would rescind your comment about mine. I currently have a vegan filter on my Zoom box. When did they switch to veganism? Now, since Josh won't ask, I'll jump all over this. Like at what point in their life? And was it like, was it like health related? Yeah, I want to say I'm 41. So maybe sometime in my twenties, I think they were just like, when they ate me, they were just like, we just were starting to feel so sluggish and tired. And so they were just like, we're done. And that makes total sense. I'm just, I feel bad eating me. I really do, but I can't make this. I was a pescetarian for like a year and I was like, this is cute, but this is annoying. I like to be able to go to any restaurant and eat anything and I have to think about it. I don't actually even like the taste of meat. I just get off on eating a dead thing. In front of me, ideally, in a perfect world. I have to force, I have to like choke it down, but it's just the power. I just feel the power. Does Josh being vegan like inspire you to like wanna try it at some point? It does, for no, as much like grief as I give him. Like I'm always asking, cause Josh said like vegan food has gotten like exceptionally better. Like I think like, you know, it's gotta waste air on me, it's always getting better, but yeah. It's gotta waste a go, but it's always getting better. And I certainly think it's one better for me, two better for the environment. So I'm, for comic-a-fin, I will poo poo it, but I do. I would love to be able to have the willpower to do what Josh has done. Okay, Seth, let's make a commitment right here right now. We are gonna try in January, 2026 for that month. What about 2027? We're just, it's like late, it's November. Like you don't give me enough time to eat my meats. He has a fridge full of meats. He's not gonna be done with it by January. January 26, we try for a month? What did we try? For a month. We are vegan for a month. All right, okay. Give it a go. I think it'll be, we're gonna hold each other on to this via our assistance because we don't need to directly talk to each other. No vegan, I'm also, but can I grow mustache? If I'm doing that, could I also grow mustache? I wanna do one of those fun things that people do in a month. So when it's over, I'm gonna be like just super jacked with a big old mustache. I think we might like it. I think we might like it. I think we might like it. I don't think you're wrong on that. I'm sure I'd feel better. And that's not a bad thing. Phoebe, I hate to keep swinging back around to it, but on the family trip front. Any other classic trips that you guys took on these single tank trips, would you ever go to a lake? Did you ever go to over to Cincinnati to see what they got? No lakes because none of us swim. Such a stereotype, I know. I'm so sorry. Would you go into Cleveland to like see shows or anything like that? Oh yeah, we would go see like the Nutcracker. We would go see the Cleveland Cavs. We would go do like all that kind of like the typical like Rocker Hall fame, all that kind of stuff. So you miss, but like is my timeline right you missed all the fun Cleveland Cavs times, right? If you're 02 in New York. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but I would fly back. Okay. And see when LeBron came back and won the finals for us, I flew back and my brother went. Oh, did you go to a game? Did you go to the game when they won at all? That's, I mean, that is. It was like not the game they won at all. I think it was a game before that. And this is, my brother always laughs when I tell the story. So we went and I was like, I always want to treat him to, he's such a sports person, Cavs Browns. He loves him so much. He always wants him to win a championship. So I was like, I'm going to take you to the finals. We're going to go. And so we're standing and I got like good, good seats, you know, like they weren't amazing, but they were like, pretty, like we were pretty close to the action. And this white lady comes over to us and she goes, Oh, how did you guys get these seats? And I go, I fucking paid for them. He goes, he goes, why would you say that to her? And I was like, why is this white lady worried about our fucking seats? It's crazy. It's a crazy question. How do you think I got the seats lady? Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with you? You were like, well, all right, we found a lamp in the sand and my brother said that someone else's ramp. And I said, well, hold on. And I picked it up. And when I did, a genie came. All right. Speed round. Phoebe, you can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational? Oh, relaxing. What is your favorite means of transportation? I actually like to walk around. Can I say that? I prefer walking to cities. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with? Oh. The Obamas. Great. Great. That'd be amazing. Yeah. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be? Oh. Oh, it'd be my niece. Great. She is so funny. And she is so smart. How old is your niece? Yeah. She's going to be 12 this summer. She's great. Yeah, yeah. Has she ever come to visit you in New York City? She's coming next year. She's very excited. She's very excited. Yeah, I'm going to take her to Broadway. Is this something that was always like when you're 13, you'll come? Has this been on the books for a while? Yeah, because I feel like when you're too much of a kid, like coming to visit New York is like too much. Like I want her to like have fun and remember things. Yeah. You are from Bedford, Ohio. Am I correct on that? Yes. If you were pitching Bedford, Ohio as a place for some families to come visit, how would you pitch it? Oh, my god. OK, Beffer Heights is so fun. Listen, there are houses everywhere with driveways. People are playing basketball. People are playing skip it. The food is a solid six, babe. You're never going to have a bad meal. No five. But you're not going to. No fives. But you won't have a great meal. And you know what? That's OK. Yeah. Maybe you don't need to have great stuff all the time. Yeah. They'll never go to a restaurant in Bedford and be like, I never have to eat again. You'll definitely want to eat the next day. And then Seth has our final questions. Phoebe, have you been to the Grand Canyon? I haven't. I want to go. Oh, that was the follow up is do you want to go? All right, great. You want to go? All right. Oh my God. Yes. Again, Marathoner, walking is your favorite means of transportation. Do you think you'd be one of those people who would go for it and be like, I'm going to hike to the bottom, do all that stuff that crazy people do? I feel like I would only go once. So I would want to try certain things. I will say I am scared of heights. So it would be a very emotional journey for me, but I would do it. OK, great. Well, we support you making that choice. And it's been lovely to see you and to talk to you. This has been absolutely wonderful. Thank you for having me. Bye. Bye. Run the New York Marathon says Tokyo's got it going on. Which would both be time for a bro. Because when they'd go on the trip, it was bad news for Junior Villain. Because he only poops at home. He only poops at home. It was not good for him. You just can't hold it in. But he only poops at home. He only poops at home.