Phaedra Parks & Cameron Mathison: Man-monia & Caretaking
45 min
•Jan 21, 20264 months agoSummary
Jeff Lewis hosts guests Phaedra Parks and Cameron Mathison to discuss health challenges, employee management dynamics, and Phaedra's funeral home business expansion. The episode covers Jeff's recovery from the flu, employee dependency and compensation structures, and explores unconventional business ideas like cremation-to-diamond conversion services.
Insights
- Strategic employee dependency can be deliberately cultivated by assistants who make themselves indispensable, creating long-term reliance that benefits retention but may reduce employer autonomy
- Illness and forced downtime trigger comprehensive life reassessment across health, relationships, and professional priorities, suggesting wellness crises have broader psychological value than immediate recovery
- Funeral services represent a high-margin business with seasonal demand patterns, creating opportunities for geographic expansion and ancillary service offerings like jewelry conversion
- Employer-provided benefits like daily lunch programs can become financial liabilities when not properly structured, requiring clear boundaries and cost accountability mechanisms
- Parenting philosophy around luxury travel (first-class flights) creates public perception risks regardless of safety or developmental reasoning, suggesting communication strategy matters as much as decision logic
Trends
Cremation-to-diamond conversion services emerging as premium alternative to traditional burial, creating new revenue streams in funeral industrySeasonal mortality patterns in funeral services peak post-holidays and during flu season, indicating predictable business cycles for expansion planningEmployee cost management becoming critical as benefits programs scale, with employers implementing stricter tracking and accountability for discretionary spendingWellness-driven lifestyle changes (dry January, dietary resets) gaining traction among high-stress professionals as response to acute illness episodesParental anxiety around child safety during air travel creating market for family-focused travel solutions and communication toolsReality competition shows (The Traitors) attracting mainstream celebrities and creating new entertainment category blending game strategy with personality-driven contentLab-grown diamonds gaining market acceptance as legitimate alternatives to mined diamonds, with applications expanding beyond jewelry into memorial services
Topics
Employee dependency and retention strategiesFuneral home business expansion and geographic scalingCremation-to-diamond conversion technology and servicesEmployer-provided meal programs and cost managementParenting decisions around luxury travel and child safetyHealth recovery and lifestyle reset protocolsReality competition show strategy and gameplayWorkplace cost accountability and credit card managementParent-child communication techniques and bonding activitiesSeasonal mortality patterns in funeral servicesLab-grown diamonds and memorial jewelryGeneral Hospital soap opera storylinesThe Traitors reality competition formatTeenage vehicle purchase decisions and budgetingCaretaking and elder care planning
Companies
Starbucks
Referenced for elaborate coffee orders placed by guests, used as example of employee preference tracking
Goop
Restaurant mentioned for employee lunch orders, subject of cost management discussion regarding pickup logistics
General Hospital
ABC soap opera where guest Cameron Mathison works as actor, discussed character storylines and recent plot developments
All My Children
Daytime soap opera where Cameron Mathison worked for 14 years before transitioning to General Hospital
Beat the Bridge
Game Show Network program hosted by Cameron Mathison
Good Morning America
ABC news program where Cameron Mathison appeared to discuss one-year anniversary of house fire
Entertainment Tonight
Entertainment news program where Cameron Mathison was invited to cover Golden Globes red carpet
Golden Globes
Awards ceremony at Beverly Hilton where guest coverage occurred, mentioned for red carpet setup changes
The Traitors
Reality competition show on Peacock featuring celebrity contestants, discussed strategy and gameplay dynamics
Peacock
Streaming platform hosting The Traitors reality competition series
Dancing with the Stars
Competition show where contestant Mark Ballas competed, referenced in context of The Traitors gameplay
Sirius XM
Satellite radio network distributing Jeff Lewis Has Issues podcast daily
People
Phaedra Parks
Guest discussing funeral home business expansion to 8 locations in Atlanta area, exploring cremation-to-diamond services
Cameron Mathison
Guest discussing health challenges, parenting, solo road trips, and General Hospital character developments
Jeff Lewis
Host discussing flu recovery, employee management philosophy, and parenting decisions
Annie
Show producer involved in employee cost management discussions and guest coffee order coordination
Oscar
Employee discussed for credit card spending on wrestling belts and diamond machine equipment purchases
Monica
Employee involved in Goop food pickup incident that triggered cost management policy changes
Mark Ballas
Contestant on The Traitors reality competition, discussed as strategic player maintaining low profile
Michael Rapaport
Contestant on The Traitors criticized for not thinking before speaking, creating target on his back
Mariska Hargitay
Referenced for flying first class while children flew economy, used as example of parenting judgment
Kevin Frazier
Hosted Golden Globes red carpet and awards show announcements simultaneously
Zuri
Employee who attended Golden Globes red carpet coverage despite workplace illness exposure
Quotes
"I used to do all this shit by myself. I used to be able to navigate an airport. I could do everything myself. I just choose not to."
Jeff Lewis•Early episode
"The first five years is all about taking on as much as you can. And then the next five years is about getting rid of all of those responsibilities so that you can coast."
Jeff Lewis•Mid-episode
"When you're forced to just sit there and think through everything, I was reevaluating everything from my diet, to my drinking, to my exercise, to my relationships, to my parenting."
Jeff Lewis•Health discussion
"You can tell a lot about someone from their coffee order."
Jeff Lewis•Opening segment
"I like to be quiet. I like to kind of be alone. I enjoy the drive. I understand that not everybody's into a road trip."
Cameron Mathison•Road trip discussion
Full Transcript
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Stop fucking apologizing. You're not making it any better. You're just reminding me how late we are. I know I'm specific. I know I'm a little high maintenance, which is why I tip really fucking well. I don't want to start shit, but... Oh, really? Really? Really? Jeff Lewis has issues. Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues. In today's episode, Phatra Parks and Cameron Matheson joined the show. We talk about my weekend in bed with the flu and Phadra's funeral homes, plus which of my employees will be my future caretaker. We are waiting for Phadra Parks. I believe her arrival time was one minute ago. Is that correct? Have we heard from Phadra? I think we are in communication with Phadra and she will be here soon. But you know, we like to lean into the clunk here at Jeff Lewis Live. I think it's a good sign that she did give you Annie her coffee order. Is that correct? Yes. What was her coffee order? Was it complicated? Yes, it was really complicated. Will you read it please? I'm just curious. Yes, a Starbucks Chai order, which I never said I was going to Starbucks. She goes, Chai with five pumps, Chai, no water, oat milk, double shot of espresso with three pumps of vanilla and extra pumpkin spice foam. What in I don't... Holy shit. That is the most incredibly elaborate Starbucks order ever. And by the way, why is that a good sign that she put in her coffee order to me? I mean, she's awake. She can still be like, oh, I mean, she's awake. Yeah. Okay, so there's been communication. Well, sometimes we hear nothing. Right, right, right, right. So the fact that they have requested even that order is a good sign. Yeah. Got you. God, you can tell a lot about someone from their coffee order, right? You can. Okay, go ahead. What's yours? No, I used to be like that. Not anymore. I have 50% Sprite, 20% Lemonade, 20% Lemonade. I used to be like that. I'm not like that anymore. You can't... I think when you're young and hot, you can do that, but my age now, you can't. My camera is too hot to be playing back black cold brew. Oh yeah, you could have a different one. No, no, this is a quat espresso shot on ice. This is a quat espresso on ice. This is... I just straight up, sometimes not even on ice, just quat espresso. What do I do? I just do like a non-fat latte. Two sugars. I've switched him to the cold brew, the vanilla cream cold brew. It's delicious. I love that he has to ask you what is wrong with his camera. I do have to ask him. He's got no idea. Vanilla sweet cream cold brew. It's the best Starbucks water. Okay. All right. I was going to ask Tom Arnold about this because you hire an assistant and then you really heavily rely on them, but I think they work to make you dependent, which is very smart. Okay. You know, he's become the most valuable employee because I'm now so dependent on him, but I believe that that was calculated. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, sure. Because... And then what they do is they gaslight you and they think, oh, you could never without me. And could you? Like, could you imagine? Of course. I used to do all this shit by myself. You think so? But you think... You went to Ducks House to get movie tickets. What are you talking about? If I used to do all of that shit by myself, I used to be able to navigate... I didn't invent AMC. I used to navigate an airport. I could do... I could make reservations. I could do everything myself. I just choose not to. The first five years is all about taking on as much as you can. And then the next five years is about getting rid of all of those responsibilities so that you can coast. So I've just been working really hard taking on everything I can. And I'm like, maybe we should hire a radio producer. Maybe we should hire social media. So you took on all that stuff and then part of your ploy is then you hire like extra people to take on the stuff that you were doing last five years. So Cameron, it's genius. I didn't really realize this until this weekend. So I'm always running, running, running. And people... I feel like people are always coming at me like, Hey, when can we talk about this? I'm always just trying to get through the day. And I'll say to people, can we talk about this maybe tomorrow or Wednesday? Because I'm just... I've got so much to just get through the day. But I just had the man flu. And so I was home three days in bed with my thoughts. Which I struggled. But I was... It's interesting because when you're when you're forced to just sit there and like think through everything. And I mean, I was just like reevaluating everything from my diet, to my drinking, to my exercise, to my relationships, to my parenting, to my I mean, all of it. I really get it. Did you walk? Because we know I was... You had the man flu also. I also had the man flu turned into pneumonia. It's been a mess. But whatever we have, that's a good one. But did you drink? It like I'm used to waking up with hard ons regularly. Good for you. And I noticed while I was sick, none of them, like zero. Like same. So I don't know necessarily if it shrunk, but it wasn't getting used very like it wasn't it wasn't active at all, which I was like, Oh my God, does it still work? Like what's happening? Yeah. Now I'm feeling better. That's one of the worst parts when you get sick. Everybody can know that I'm you know, everything's fine. Okay, everything works now. Yeah, everything's fine. I'm sorry, I got distracted. What conclusions have you come to from your sickness? I am going to I know it's a little late, but I'm going to jump on the dry January on the 12th. Yep. But it's okay because I'll carry it over to February. Well, and you probably started what on the 8th or so. So yeah, so I started a couple of days ago. But that's what I wanted to ask you, because you said when you're sitting there with alone with your thoughts and alcohol comes like this something about this flu has turned me off alcohol completely. Like not one part of me is interested. Like even coming and feeling better now, I'm like, it's funny. What happened? I'm not interested in Celsius today. I'm not interested in pop tarts today. I'm not interested in alcohol today. What are you going to talk about on the show? I have no idea. We're going to have to cancel the show. They want it to anyway. We'll just do it for them. But yeah, I think I'm doing like a complete reset with my body. Yeah, good for you. Yeah. That's I mean, that's what I'm going to have for lunch. I don't I mean, I'm having soup today. So much soup. We get whatever we want. We can have goop. What kind of soup? Oh, you get it from goop? Yeah, I just don't love it. Just doesn't take three of you to go pick it up. No, it doesn't. That's where I got mad last time. OK. So can you explain that? Yeah, so I regret ever doing this, Cameron, but I started this years and years and years ago where I buy all my employees lunch every day. And if I could tell you the amount of time it takes for everyone to decide on what restaurant and then decide on their orders. I mean, I can't even tell you the time that's wasted. I really I'm trying to streamline the process because it very much frustrates me because it started off as something generous, of course. And now I feel like it'll take an advantage of. So I had to clock them earlier last year because they were spending so much money at some of these restaurants, but they love goop and that's fine. But what happened that day? So we ordered it and then I download all the footage. So I'm just like sitting there waiting for until download. And then Monica was like, do you think you could go with me so we can just pull up? You jump out, grab it and then we go because the parking is really bad over there. I was like, sure. So we went and I did post for you. I was riding in the car with Monica and then we picked up the food and then we got back and we ate. That's a that's a solid that's a solid argument. The way that I look at it is I take their salaries. I calculate what I pay them per hour. I figured out, you know, what even if they're both gone 30 minutes, which I think was wrong, I think it's longer than that. What it cost me for two of them to go pick up lunch, it infuriated me and I said, no more goop. No more goop. What I said was Annie is not paid by the hour. She's paid by the day and she left at 3 30 that day. So if you want to pay extra to have the food brought to the house so that she can leave early, that's fine. But that's what you're going to pay an extra forty dollars for her to leave early. But I'm sorry, what is your reasoning? Because she's paid by the day. No matter. You take the day rate and you divide it by the eight hours. At 3 30 that day. So so are you saying she left later? I'm saying no, she's still left at an early time. So if you want to pay the extra forty dollars to have it delivered, you're just getting her out. I mean, you're just paying her to leave early and I work in the car, which you can do. But I'm saying I don't think you worked in the car. And I'd rather pay the. I posted. I'm on dayquil. So I'm a little more. Outdated than usual. This is good. This is amazing. This is the first time I've seen this sort of dynamic. By the way, I think your argument falls apart. I don't. Why are you following Jeff? No, she's not paid by the hour. No, I got. But it still costs me money if she has to leave the office to go. Pick up early and what way? What do you mean? This is time she could be spending on work, but she's got all her work done and left early. And I got you back. I'm your biggest supporter. And I have, you know why he's defending her? Because he loves Goop. He loves Goop. Can we talk about? Goop Teriyaki Bowl. It is healthy eating. I get my avocado. I get my healthy fats. Say that's what it's about. You love the soup at Goop. So for you, do you find like for me, that's a half serving. That soup is a half. So I get two soups because for me, that's like to me. Well, it's good. It's good for me. Some of that overeats portion control. He's like, oh, yeah, I say maybe I shouldn't open that door. So I just I just said I want the food delivered unless it's very easy to pick up. And so now I'm sarcastic, like, well, how many of you are going to have to go pick it up? And then and then in six months, I resent it. He'll be mad. The bills are high again. And then we'll go back to picking up. It'll just it's cyclical. Yeah, you're right. It's a cycle. How much how much of this right now is because you're feeling under the weather and you're a little bit more agitated than normal. I think honestly is that I'm clear. I'm clear and I'm looking and you know what, I'm you know what, I'm going to look at those credit card statements today. You two better be careful. All three of you. Fine, then you have to go pick it up to bring down the cost. I'm going to go through the credit card statements today. And I'm going to see what they're spending on coffee, what they're spending on lunches. Yeah, I didn't even get a cappuccino today. This is all your fault, by the way. Me. By the way, you're looking like literally you're looking so patient, guilty over there. I feel great. But as I said to Jeff in the conference room this morning, I feel like the lesson learned is we shouldn't, as employees, we shouldn't feel pressured to come to work when we're sick because look what happened. I took down almost an entire radio show. He's so happy about it. This proves his point. I love that they didn't believe you and that like they made you prove that you were like down. But I fear Reggley was not contagious when I got here. I do feel bad that you got so sick or that you are so sick. I just think you're still contagious after a couple of days. So then why are you here? I said I am contagious. I mean, so then everyone in this room is exposed. Jeff called it right from the beginning. He said, like, as I said, I'm not contagious. I went to urgent care. I proved it to you guys. Yeah. And Jeff's like, well, I am. And we should let them. See, this is what they don't understand. If I don't come to work, I don't get paid. Do you guys like your bonuses? Do you like all of these things? These come to work. Thank you. I can work to do them. Love. I know I'm on one today. Well, here we are. We should also let good news to the chumps. Zuri did make it to the red carpet. I think when she came in and saw how sick you were and was sitting directly across from you, I think she was like, no, I'm so happy to be here. She's made it to the red carpet. She made it to the red carpet. She's amazing. How did she do? Great. A lot of fun coverage and everyone looked fun. And this year, so the Golden Globes take place at the Beverly Hilton. But they did like a staircase kind of like at the Met Gala. I think there's a lot of construction at the Hilton right now. So they kind of emulated the the Met Gala stairs. So it was an interesting carpet. It was it was different. Mm, OK. And then Kevin Frazier was on the carpet, but then was also announcing for the show. So it was a fun like everyone was all tied in. Oh, that's great. He had to do twice the work because Cameron called out sick. Exactly. I was supposed to be there with entertainment tonight. They were very kind to ask me to come and participate. But I have pneumonia and I didn't think it was great for me to be coughing in celebrities faces. So I they found somebody else. Annie, Annie had a theory. Why that Cameron didn't do his homework because it takes days and days and days of research. Here she is. Hello. How are you? She loves to make an entrant. Oh, you're only I think she's the by far the latest guess we've ever had. Congratulations. Yes, I think so. Come on here. Not the latest. Do you know Cameron Matheson? Nice to meet you. You smell great. OK, so Cameron and Phaedra are flirting. We're waiting for Phaedra to have a seat. Good morning. Are you are you comfortable? Is your seat is it high enough? Are you OK? Well, I am not the littlest person in the world. I think you're little. I'm short. Maybe just pull the mic in a little bit. Is that close enough? Good morning. OK, so Annie, Annie did not. Do you have a coffee order? Yeah, we read your coffee order on the radio. Oh, my God. That's insane. Well, actually, Phaedra texts me back and just said, yes, please. I would like a coffee, but didn't tell me what she wanted. Then I asked what she wanted and she did not respond. So her team reached out with that coffee order. Yeah, my team did. That coffee order is insane. I'm in California. Y'all do all this crazy. I know. But yours is next level. It's next level. So I just I was hoping that you got here a little earlier earlier because I wanted you to become acquainted with Cameron. Let me just I'll just update you. So Cameron was on all my children for 14 years. He's now on General Hospital for the last five. He's also hosting Beat the Bridge on the Game Show Network. He does host red carpet events. And occasionally we see him on Good Morning America. His house burned down a year ago. His mom died three years ago. His dog died. Was it two years ago? He beat cancer about three years ago. His wife left him three years ago, and he's not officially divorced. That's that's a really good synopsis. First of all, do you need prayer? Should we take it? Should we take a moment? My God. I'm still here. I'm still here. And you look this good. Well, he is if I'm not what I've been through, he's the walking version of that. I appreciate you. Wow. And you're still not divorced? No, it's still kind of ongoing. You must be very wealthy. Well, he was. It tells how. That's heading in this trending in the wrong direction. But yeah, I'm doing all right. He used to have a lot of equity. There's only. I mean, this is for me every time. Every day. Wow, you're on today. It is. Ginger. And I kind of love it. I love that you guys give me such shit about all this stuff. No, you're still milking it. You were on Good Morning America. You were talking about the year anniversary. It was as soon as we forgot, as soon as we had moved on as a society, he goes on Good Morning America to talk about, hey, guys, don't forget my house burned down a year ago. No, hold on a second. Hold on a second. They asked me to do that. They put together that whole piece. They asked me. But I want you all to know. He pitched himself. I want you all to know that when I post about anything to do with that, I want you to know that I think about all of you. Do the chumps say anything? I think about all of you and the shit that I'm going to get on this show. Like, I literally am posting being like, man, is it worth it? Because I'm going to be mad about this. I swear to you. I'm not lying. I'm like, I got to make sure this is worth me posting to get all of the flak that I get when I come on. But you do get a lot of free shit now. I have got some acts of generosity. Oh, yeah. People feel sorry for him. So they give me free shit. Yeah, that's what I mean. So have you are you rebuilding? Is it? Thank you for asking like a sincere, sweet question. Here's the problem. So someone who can appreciate architecture and how they built homes in the 20s and 30s, you can't replicate the house. You got that right, honey. I'm sorry, Cameron. No, no, you can't. And we are we are rebuilding. Eventually there's lawsuits and all sorts of stuff against Cunadisan, blah, blah, blah. But yes, the plan is to rebuild, but Jeff's right. It won't even be. You can't. You can't. Yeah. I'm gonna hit the house. Oh, baby. Yeah. Yeah. Well, sorry. Yeah, you sound sorry. Yeah. It's very sincere. So Cameron does these he does these camping trips alone. You go camping alone? I do. It's not the kind of thing that I do regularly. It's happened where I will. Well, that's why you get bit by bear. Just ate up by bear. No, I don't see bears. I don't see mountain lions. I'm just chilling. It's just like I kind of go and get some space away. The cell phone doesn't work. These guys don't believe me. They're convinced that I'm like luring women up there. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Doing like inappropriate stuff. Or that alone. I do have a theory. OK. And it just occurred to me. I actually don't even think you're luring people. I don't. I think what's happening because he he went skiing with his kids, right? And the kids flew to Vale, but he elected to drive alone for 14 hours. I'm like, what is this guy doing in his car for 14 hours? No, I think my theory is you're going to truck stops. And you are picking up lot lizards. Lot lizards. I see those prostitutes that sleep with truckers. I think you because it's always the classy, poised, sophisticated men. Kinky shit. Kinky kinky shit. He figured me out. Figured me out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we should talk later. Tasty black. Here we go. Well, that's that's not the case. I am something sadly. No, here's the thing. And we talked about this on the phone. I just I like to be quiet. I like to kind of be alone. It's, you know, and I also bring all the presents out there. I bring the ski equipment. I'm like the pack mule in the car. Kids fly out ahead of time. Real easy. But I enjoy it like I enjoy the drive. I understand that not everybody's into a road trip. And we'll put you in. We'll put you in first class and send you out there on the plane. But but I'll. Or private or private. Let's just stick with first class. Yeah, but I'll drive. That's that's kind of how I roll. Like a car you drive. Well, on these road trips, I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I saved for like mountains and beaches. And so that's that's my kind of mountain car. Yep. That makes sense. I was going to say like Bronco. Yeah. Bronco. Yeah, just because of the. No, you're like an out here. Like an outdoors. Yeah, they're nice. They're new. Is that what you would think you drive? What do you think Cameron would drive, Annie? Oh, I don't know cars. Something's hot. Sport one. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. What do you think? Yeah, you. Oh, a four by four. For when I go to the mountains, yes, it's a four by four. I have like a regular daily driver, but then I've got Wrangler. You guys will love this. Oh, Jeep Wrangler. Four door. Four door. Guess what survived the fire is my 1965 fastback. Here he goes, brings up the fire again. And it's been rebuilt. And that's the car that Annie sees me. That's the one that she visualizes me driving. And that will that will come back from the shop. Maybe in a month. It's been in the shop for a year. It's been in the shop for about eight months. It's a total rebuild. Yeah, because it melted and the tires melted and the paint cracked and stuff like that. How's the funeral business? Excellent. I bet it is. This is the high season for people to die. It really is. Yeah, I know that sounds weird, but people usually like to pass after Halloween, but they stop dying right at Valentine's Day. They do. So this is the dying season. One more month. What? What? Yeah, holidays. Holidays. After all this, you know, the flu. People bring the man around. It's taking them out. The flu is serious. Five thousand people have come to the flu. What percentage increase during this season? Like, is it is it substantial? Oh, God, yeah. People die. Yeah, summers, maybe a motorcycle drowning. Winners, they're coming in. They're coming in. So the flu has been good for business. Yeah. How many? Fentanyl. How many locate? Oh, Fentanyl, too. How many locations do you have now? Eight. No shit. Are they all in Atlanta? Yep, surrounding areas. Where are what other areas do you think would be good to expand? Chicago. You got to go where people are dying. Or I think Bop to Florida, where people are. Pumpsprings. Going there to get old pumpsprings. Yeah, Florida is good, but, you know, with all the politics. Tough to get into business. You know, people in Florida are just crazy. You got Florida, then you got Miami. Now, have you looked into the the death, death by diamonds? Remember we talked about turning, maybe that machine that turns them into diamonds. You know, yes, but you, you know, you got to be cremated and all that. But yeah. You could you can turn dead people. I'm sorry, sorry. Into diamonds. Yes, this is what I've been telling Fadre about. No, it's a great thing. And then you can wear your deceased jewelry. Correct. You can wear your. You can wear your house. And is that like, is that like a legitimate diamond? Or is that like one of these fake like a lab grown? Because it's pressure. Yeah, exactly. Sort of lab-ish. But you know, you got to fake, you know, your grandma really cannot be a diamond. Well, I mean, she would be a diamond in the rough because she love her. But, you know, yeah. Well, you have to you have to have died young to be become a diamond. Like you have to. Oh, no. It's just ashes. And then why can't your grandmother become a diamond? Just because she can't be a real diamond. Got you. We can make her a diamond. I see. But see, right now, the popularity of these lab grown diamonds. I mean, now's the time. And let me ask you this, because I was just thinking when I open, because I really am very serious about this. When I open my mortuary with you, because you have all the experience. Let's do it. So when people come in grieving, because I remember when my grandma died, when you go in and you're just in a haze, like you're really, you're not thinking clearly. And, you know, you get the best casket and you get and you and you buy this and buy that. You have no refunds, right? Because you don't you want to make sure that when they wake up and like, shit, what did I what did I agree to? Like, I can't afford this. But you have to just it is. Can you spare costs for the final party for your loved one? No, there you you got to blow it out. Well, that's what we'll say. Yeah. Initially, you know, to get them to commit. But we can't. And you don't know how to refund. Right. No refund. So do we customize the casket? Like, how do we justify that? Like, do we customize that $10,000 casket? Oh, my gosh, that's sort of cheap. Oh, how much are caskets? I mean, you can go up to hundreds of thousands. I mean, think about it, Michael Jackson's casket. You need the Michael Jackson casket. Yeah. We make more money if we if we do a traditional burial, correct? Yes. OK. So that's why when someone, if they really are committed to cremation, we need to turn it into a tennis bracelet because you want to make the same money. I mean, you're never going to make the same money as a burial. It sounds. Yeah. But if we turn like Cameron's house into a matching tennis necklace, I thought you were going to say cameras for first of all, I thought he was going to kill me right here. I imagine we could charge a lot of money, like 50 grand, whatever. You're going to have to get an idea with the people that are creating those diamonds. Do you do that kind of work? Yeah. Well, I don't do that because, OK, when you put the jeweler in it, then, you know, that there's a percentage. Yeah, sure. So you got to sort of get into willing and do it. So you'd rather like get the like this is fascinating. So the casket, the traditional burial, all of that. If you're going to get cremated, they're on a budget like that's like. Yeah, cremation. I'm trying to pull. But I don't want to be a casket for you, Jeff. I think you shouldn't have a tombstone. You have a lot of people who don't like that. Decircrate it. They'll desecrate it. Security will become an issue. Now, every week, they're going to have to clean it or repair it. That's what I'm saying. It's not worth that. Can you imagine all just the spit on it alone? Oh, my God. Yeah. A lot of enemies like that. A lot of enemies. You're right. And you 24. So what are you going to do? You're going to like have a little thing at the backyard kind of vibe? Like what's I don't even know my daughter will spend that kind of money or time. I mean, it's your money. Yeah, I think I'm just going to get cremated, but I wouldn't be mine. You want to be cremated? What if we could we make like a watch, like a nice watch? I bet we could get a lot of diamonds out of you. Do you know because of my weight? I think just because the more the more mass, the more diamond. Well, you're a tall guy. How tall are you? Yeah, it's because you're tall. You're very tall. Are you six, three, six, two? With the six, six, six, four. That was not a compliment. Just so everybody knows that was not a compliment. Are you six, four? That was a swipe. You think? Yeah. Of course, it was a lot of shame. A thousand percent it was a shame. Absolutely. For sure it was. I think he wants a piece of jewelry. He wants a piece of you when you leave. Do you make the jewelry? Yeah. Does the diamonds come from the like the ashes? Yeah. So you get cremated and then you have the ashes and then that gets condensed into a diamond. I feel like we looked into the cost of that machine, Annie. Was it like 400, 600 grand? Jameson looks like it's 200. But that was off T-MU. I don't trust it. Yeah, we're not going to buy it on Amazon. Oh my God. Yeah, we got to get a new machine. It was 200 grand. We want like a little bit. Yeah, we don't want to get a bank loan or just put on your credit card. I feel like you should put an Oscar's credit card. Think about it. T-MU machine might... OK, so you have to tell Cameron and... Yeah, we got him. So Oscar, he did a little shopping on his credit card. And he didn't want to explain what happened. What had happened was I had bought a bunch of stuff that I didn't need. And I was paying off my credit card every week, but like 100, 200 bucks. And then at the end of last year, I was like, huh, I wonder why it still says $6,000 and not zero. And it turns out I was just paying the monthly minimum and not interest. So you weren't paying... You weren't paying... You weren't paying it. Nope. You weren't chipping away at the cat. Nope. You're dead and all. So it's obviously not an American Express card. Nope. Because they wouldn't have allowed that. That's right. Oh my gosh. Yeah, so that's why... Who recommended we put it? Was that you, Shane? He recommended we put that diamond machine on Oscar's credit card. Oh my God. No, because Oscar's not paying attention to the interest rates. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But there are all kinds of things we can do. We can let you just disintegrate naturally in a bin and we could do something with the dirt. You know, we could use you as a foundation. Fadri, you're an attorney. What if Oscar takes out 10 credit cards? Right? We buy the diamond machines, we buy whatever we need to do. And then he files bankruptcy. And we ruin his credit. But then I won't be able to buy a home. You won't be able to buy a home, but you'll have a diamond making machine out of like, you know... Oscar, do you do a lot of shopping? I do. I do some crazy stuff. What kind of stuff? Wrestling belts, wands, roads. Did you say wrestling belts? Okay, we got to rewind a second. Wrestling belts, like past champions wrestling belts? Yeah. WWE. WWE. I'm wearing a jacket right now. Shout out, CM Punk. But I also bought with my credit card. So you put the belts up on the wall? Is this like eBay stuff? Yeah, I got six belts so far. So far. See what you're doing, Jeff? Like you're paying him to buy wrestling belts on his wall. I have nothing to do with that. That's true. Nothing to do with that. You know there's a wrestling school in Georgia where you could go and you could learn how to be a wrestler. Could you not encourage this? I mean, it could be pretty interesting. I've done wrestling. Stuff before. I've trained in wrestling and it's not for me. Did anyone know this? I think because we haven't asked. Do we have photos or videos of that? Because that would be... Yeah, pull them up. Are you sure? There's one video on my Instagram where I get kicked in the face. Oh, I'd like to see that. Pull up! Please pull it up! For research purposes. Good for you to try. Yeah. Good for you to try. How are your boys? They are so good, 12 and 15. So Aiden, he's 15, correct? Yes, so I'm for more. 16 this year? Yes. Big party? Yes. Which he says, I don't really want a party. I just want a car. I'm like, a car is a given. Right. But the party is what I have to do for myself. OK, so you're doing a party. Will it be a pretty big party? Of course. And then, does he know what kind of car he wants? He wants a hell cap, but it's no way in hell I'm buying a hell cap for a 15-year-old. Right. I don't know what that is. Hellcat, he just goes really fast. Oh, no, he'll kill himself. There's no way. Yeah, that's what I told him. He'll literally want the fastest cars on the road. No way, no way. Yeah, never that bad. What's the second choice? Well, a Honda Civic. Well, a BMW, that's what he wants. But I'm from the school like you would get a used car. Yeah. And now these kids are so entitled, like they won't, they're, he's like, a BMW 7 Series would be cool. And I'm like, 7 Series? 7 Series? That's crazy. Let me ask you something with my kids when they got 16, we gave them a budget. Do you ever think of just giving them a budget and then they want to get a used BMW or they want to get a new one? So it was just budget related. No, I didn't think about a budget. You know what I'm saying? Like that way, that way it's up to them, whether they want to go new or used or whatever. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I don't know, but I just think children just need to like a bucket, you know, something that's not so fast, just reliable. Yeah. You know, so I would like a You'd rather be in church. You know, a Toyota Camry. Yeah. But he says absolutely no electric cars. He hates electric cars. But I'm like, those are pretty fast too. Anyway, that's what I told him. Like that's the best car you can get. It's fast and I'm good to the gas station, you know. Right now, a guide dog puppy is taking her very first steps. One day she'll help someone with sight loss live a full and independent life. 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Like if I'm, I'm in row four and then Rose in row 18 that I could get to her in an emergency. Exactly. I mean, why, I mean, but think of how much criticism if I'm sitting in first class and my kids are in like Al 25, I mean, I'm not sure. I'm sitting in first class and my kids are in like Al 25. Then people say, oh, she's a cheapskate. She's, you know, treating herself to luxury and our kids are way back there. And you know, I don't think people would say that. I would say that I would totally say that. And I have said that people would say that. Oh, Jeff, other than Jeff, I don't think he was the law and order lady. Heart, heart could take. Yeah. Yeah. Mariska. Okay. So I was on a flight with her and I had my whole team. So I had, I had Shane, I had been around whatever everybody in first, right? So five people. And she had she and her husband went first. Every three kids were in the back with the nanny. And I judged her. Sorry, I judged her. I would have judged her. Did you really? I sure did. I'm like, with your law and order money, with your law and order money. It's not about the money. The what if, what if, I don't know. I don't know what her decision was, but what if it's about just like not giving the kids a sense of entitlement and having them understand that like there's nothing wrong with sitting in an economy for a little bit. And, and listen, this is coming. This is coming from a guy who's flown his kids up front for years off and on. But now that they're in school in Europe and we've got to go and see them all the time and they're flying back and forth several times a year. It's expensive. It's expensive. They are now flying economy or premium economy. Yeah, fine. Confort plus. And, and that's just like how they're doing it. Well, they're on their own. If they're on their own. Yes. Flying back and forth. Yeah. That's okay. I'm not going to book her first class. No, I'm not. Okay. Okay. No way. All right. But if I'm on the plane, my kids have got to be near me. Okay. Because it could be an emergency, but I want to know what they're doing. They're well behaved, but I don't want them separated from me. Right. Right. And what remind me when we're talking the ages? 12 and 15. 12 and 15. Okay. The other thing too, I will say is that I don't actually like like we were, we were talking about when we flew to New York, I don't like American first class because they have. Because they have complete like isolated pods. Oh no, I love a pod. I want to sit next to her. So I chose, it isn't really, it's not that big of a difference. I chose business because I want to sit right next to her. No, I get it. And I want us because I'm working all the time. Like I, here's six hour flight. You're stuck together the whole time. That I get to spend time with her. I agree. I agree with that. I love that. Uninterrupted. Yes. And then you guys can watch the same movie or you can hang out together. Well, don't get crazy. No. Okay. And you press play at the same time. I mean, because. There's so much dog with the blog I can watch, but you know, there's a study out there that's basically documents that the best conversations between parents with their children, and particularly with boys happens in the car. Carversations. Actually, Instagram is actually promoting this whole thing. Really? Well, that's. Yes. Car. Exactly. That's why he drives alone. Listen, when the kids went and flew back from Colorado to LA, I drove them all the way to Denver in the car for those three hours. It was probably my favorite part of other than skiing with them. They're my favorite part of the whole vacation in the car. We were playing this game of like asking questions of like, you know, getting to know like some of their favorite family memories and we had a great time. It was like a three hour connection like that. So I completely backed that up. Do your kids do that? Cause I can't make her open up, right? So for me, I just have to sit and wait. I sit and wait. So, and it's always at random times and it's lately it's just been at night when I'm so tired, but I do it. But that's when she decides to spill it at like 930 at night, 915 at night. What time do you go to bed? I got to bed early. I'm up at 530. Okay. You can sleep when you're dead. Like she would not feel at home. Jeff, I'm going to bring in this, this interesting little kind of card box game that's for family. And you just kind of like ask each other questions like this. And believe it or not, it sounds kind of corny, but they're really interesting, intriguing questions. And that it doesn't matter how old the, you know, the kids are or whatever. And it's a way to open these conversations. It's really sweet. And, and I bet you she'd love it. I bet you it'd be a way to get her to open up without her even realizing it. My, my kid is spoiled for sure. But she needs to be because she's very sweet. You're the first man she's going to fall in love with. So if you treat her right, she will not settle for any like square. She's so sweet with me. Like this weekend, she kept, she kept coming in and checking my temperature. Now, even though we had people working that, you know, there was no pressure for her to do anything, but she just kept coming in on her own, checking the temperature. She would get these cold, like compresses and put them on my forehead. She was very sweet and nurturing. And she actually even, I'm like, I'm so lame, like I carry shit around with me, but she made me get well cars. Got the land. That's so sweet, which I was like, I was so touched by that. That's so she made it at school. She's like, Daddy, I thought about you and I made you a little card. So I'm like, OK, we must be doing something right. Yeah, you might be a good dad. You're surprised. No, maybe. Even, you know, it's crazy to even my dog that's like hyper and I can never get him to calm down all weekend. He was so quiet. He was like rolled up at the end of my bed. And this is a very hyper dog. What kind of dog do you have? I don't know. You know, a beautiful mix. He's a rescue. They can sense it. They can sense it. You know, they know. Yeah, he or he. He knew that you were sick and probably just was like, he was just chill the whole weekend. And this is the most hyper dog in the world. I'm like, what has gotten into you? Yeah, he knows you. Yeah, looking out for you. Are you would you say you were very close to both your sons? Oh, gosh, yeah. Very close. Do you have one that because I only have one, right? So she's my favorite. Of course. Do you have a favorite? No, they're both totally so different. Like my oldest son, he's very much. He thinks he's like my dad slash, you know, he wants me to date. You know, he's like, this guy's a bomb. Every time I say I meet someone, he runs down the information and research is about Instagram. He tries to find out their net worth. I mean, like he is like. He should be a politician. My youngest son, very loving, but very shady. So he can be in what way? Oh, my God. Like, yeah, like he. He says thanks to people that he probably shouldn't say. Are they closer to their dad? Yeah. Good. He's in their lives a lot. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. But we have a, you know, but guys have a different parenting style from women. Yeah. So like if people invite him over to spend the night, you know, I want to know who they are. I want to go to their house or they have to come to our house. You know, the last time I went out of town and Apollo kept them, I got back and I said, where's Aiden? You know, the prince, our oldest son. He says, oh, he went over his friend's house. I was like, well, what's his name? He's like, oh, I don't know. I was like, so who is his parents? He's like, oh, it's his good friend from school. I said, well, which one? He was like, you know, the kid he hangs out with. I'm like, and then come to find out this kid didn't even go to school with him. I've never met his parents. I knew I knew nothing about this kid. So then I was panicking. I was like, OK. Apollo needs to watch all her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking. Oh, my God. Apollo needs to watch all her fault. This is exactly what happened. It's a scripted show on Peacock where this mom thought her daughter or her son was at a play date and then she goes to pick up the son. And then they're like, I don't know who your kid is. I don't know. So they got kidnapped. It was a whole thing. Yep. Apollo needs to see all her fault. OK. Kid on the red car the last night was so cute. Oh, and it was so cute. What about your kids? Are you close to both? Yeah, very close to you. Have a favorite. I do not have a favorite. I do. I like I'm super close to both of them. I'll say this, that my son now that he's 22 and he's got like a serious girlfriend, you know, it's tougher to get close to him like we used to be. But we're super, super connected and close and do things together. My daughter is way more emotive and she's like still daddy's girl. And it's amazing considering she's 19 and basically is like doing the rave scene in Paris while she's in school there and loving life and doing all the things. But yeah, we're super close. When you drive like when you drive for 14 hours, just think it in like you're alone with your thoughts. I don't know if I have enough thoughts for 14 hours. The other thing that's going to make it even weirder is that I barely turn on the radio. Like I probably have 14 hours, two different ways. I probably listen to music for about two hours total. That's how much I love silence. That's where you lost me. I have enough thoughts. Like no podcast. 45 minutes. Literally. No podcast. Put on a book. No, no books. I didn't listen to anybody. Like I just want. I mean, yes, I was on the phone and I was doing some probably some text thing, which I shouldn't have been doing. But generally, I just wanted to be quiet and be alone and be still. And just and it's so beautiful. The drive is gorgeous. I just kind of like. Do you take naps like 14 hours is a lot. Well, no, I stop. I stop halfway. OK, so on the way there, I stop. I stop at the company. I get some company. First, it goes to the ATM. I go to the ATM and then the truck stop. You'd be surprised at the talent of the truck stop. No, I stopped. I stopped in Utah on the way there and I stopped in Vegas on the way home. Utah City. Well, that's interesting ladies. Can we take line one, please, Linda in Texas? Hi, Linda. Hi, shout out. Shout out, Linda. What's your question, Linda? Pedro fix it. Pedro fix it. Jesus, do you have any advice for the new traders and have you been watching? You know what? I have only seen the first episode. They dropped three on Thursday. You know what? My advice is, you know, you've got to be likable, but you've got to think before you speak. You know, because it's a it's a strategy game, but it's very psychological. So, you know, who's a trader and who's not. Sometimes it comes down to a bad eyelash day, you know, like your lashes are too long. They're like, you're blinking your eyes. You must be a trader. But, you know, I watched all three episodes over the weekend. I've never been. It's so funny because I've checked in and out of traders, but never really been committed. Lock in. I'm locking in. I'm locked in. Michael Rappaport, have you been watching him? He's not someone who's thinking about. Oh, Michael's crazy. He's not thinking about what he's. Yeah, doesn't think about what he says before he says it. And it kind of puts you're right. It kind of puts a target on his back, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, because people will vote you off sometimes because they just don't like you, you know, because who isn't a trader and who's a fateful? No one can really tell, you know, and it's usually the slip of the tongue that makes, you know, puts you on the map. How's Mark Ballas doing from Dancing With The Stars? He's a buddy. Mark is the best. Yeah, he's awesome. So is he he's kind of under the radar. Is he? Yeah, he was up. Yeah. And the one I just watched last night on number two, that was kind of up for discussion, but not. Yeah, he's very under the radar, which I think is a smart way to play it. I think you need to be liked by all, but kind of under the radar. Not doing the most. Five, six episodes and then you can kind of dive in. Exactly. But it's also TV, right? So, you know, but a lot of the gamers are there to win. They don't care about the TV quality. They want to win. That's the difference between like the housewives and gamers. Like we like to, you know, entertain and, you know, have a good time. They want the money. I do like the camaraderie and the the support of the housewives. They kind of immediately come in and support each other for as long as they can. As a ha and then they turn and then they turn. Well, you eventually, you know, only can be one winner, right? Yeah, everyone must die. I'm very much into the show now. Well, there actually, there can be. Last year, it was a four way tie, which was an interesting way to do it because that's hoping the Bravo girlies will not break from each other, which, you know, makes for good TV, makes for very good TV. Patty in Minnesota line three. How many minutes we have to to. Hey, Patty. Hi. How? Shout out, Shane. I'm calling. Do you know who you have sitting in front of you with Cameron? Do you ever watch General Hospital? No, but I'm aware of the character he plays. Did you just get shot? Patty, are you are you nervous for them or something? Because I promise I'm nothing like my character. So I was going to say, I hate you on General Hospital. I love you on General Hospital, but I hate your character. You are such an asshole. But in real life, you come across like you're normal. So it's. That's nice. That's. Patty. Yeah, no, I mean, Patty, you're like, listen, I you're not alone. I get apples thrown at me in the supermarket for what we've talked about. It literally is. I've had people beat me like I've had cars pull off onto the sidewalk and yell at me. And there's a lot of very angry people that my character drew on the show. But it's kind of fun for me. And yeah, I just got shot. Did they say by whom? Yeah, I just came out that it was the love of my life. It was my wife on the show the whole time as I was defending her. She's the one who actually shot me and it was bad. And there's something coming up that makes it even worse. Thanks for listening. 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