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Two Whats?! And A Wow! People Who Wow Edition – Author and Illustrator Raina Telgemeier

25 min
May 8, 202623 days ago
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Summary

This episode features an interview with award-winning author and illustrator Raina Telgemeier, known for her bestselling graphic novels like Smile and Drama. Through a game show format, Telgemeier shares childhood memories, discusses the inspiration behind her characters, and reveals hidden talents including her deep singing voice. She challenges listeners to create four-panel comics about their daily experiences.

Insights
  • Autobiographical storytelling in graphic novels serves as a powerful tool for shy creators to share their experiences and connect with audiences without direct confrontation
  • Creative talents often emerge from unexpected places—Telgemeier's cartooning ability is unique in her family, suggesting individual creative expression can develop independently
  • Personal experiences and family influences deeply shape character development in fiction, even when authors don't consciously realize the connection until years later
  • Overcoming childhood fears through small steps (singing behind a piano, then on stage) builds confidence and enables future creative expression
  • Participatory creative challenges (like drawing comics and sharing them) foster community engagement and help audiences develop their own artistic skills
Trends
Graphic novels and autobiographical comics as mainstream literary format for young audiencesCreator economy emphasis on personal storytelling and vulnerability as audience engagement strategyMulti-platform content distribution (podcast + YouTube) for children's educational entertainmentInteractive game show format applied to educational podcast content for increased engagementIntergenerational creative influence—parents' artistic pursuits shaping children's career pathsShy or introverted creators finding voice through visual storytelling rather than traditional performanceBehind-the-scenes creative process sharing as educational content for aspiring young artists
Topics
Autobiographical graphic novelsChildhood shyness and creative expressionCharacter development and inspirationVisual storytelling techniquesComic creation and illustrationTheater and set designCostume design and creative productionSinging and vocal performanceEducational content for childrenCreative writing and journalingMulti-platform content strategyInteractive game show formatYoung adult literatureOvercoming social anxiety through creativityFamily influence on career development
Companies
Tinkercast
Production company behind Wow in the World podcast and Two What's in a Wow series
Scholastic
Implied publisher of Raina Telgemeier's bestselling graphic novel series
People
Raina Telgemeier
Award-winning New York Times bestselling author and cartoonist known for graphic novels Smile, Sisters, Ghosts, Drama...
Mindy Thomas
Host of Two What's in a Wow People Who Wow Edition and co-creator of the show
Meredith Halpern-Ranzer
Co-creator of Two What's in a Wow People Who Wow Edition
Guy Razz
Co-creator of Two What's in a Wow People Who Wow Edition
Quotes
"I tell the story of my own life in my books. It's like a spotlight."
Raina TelgemeierMid-episode
"There's lots of ways to come out from behind the piano. It could be opening up a sketchbook and letting people see what's on your page. It could be typing a word and letting somebody read those words."
Raina TelgemeierEarly-mid episode
"I was so shy as a kid and I didn't ever open my mouth when I was in class or when I was in a group setting."
Raina TelgemeierEarly episode
"My challenge to everybody is to draw a four panel comic about something that happened to you today. It could be anything. It could be something interesting that happened to you, something very boring and mundane."
Raina TelgemeierLate episode
Full Transcript
Hey WowsR fams, Mindy here, and before we start the show, guess what? You can join me every Friday for two What's in a Wow people who wow edition. In this Getting to Know You game show, I'll be visited by some of the world's most fascinating people to get the wows and the what's of their lives. From cartoonist and graphic novelist Rana Telgemeier of the Smile series to everyday extraordinary kids just like you. And that's not all. With this new season of Two What's in a Wow, there are now two ways to wow. What am I talking about? Well first, you can listen to episodes right here in our Wow and the World podcast feed. Or… and this is a big Or. Yeah, you're right Reg. That doesn't have the same ring to it. Okay, now where was I? Or… Yeah, as always you can listen to new episodes in your favorite podcast player or you can watch these episodes with your eyeballs on YouTube. I know, I should comb my hair or something. We are so excited for you to listen and watch our new season of Two What's in a Wow, People Who Wow Edition starting this Friday. So make sure you're subscribed to our podcast feed and our Wow Tube channel on YouTube so you don't miss out. That's Two What's in a Wow, People Who Wow Edition coming this Friday. And now a quick ad break and then we'll get on with the show. What changed? Many things changed. Now I tell the story of my own life in my books. It's like a spotlight. I mean, that is what teachers do live at the school. I'm pretty sure. No, nobody else in my family is a cartoonist. I somehow managed to be the only one. Wow, I wonder where that comes from. No clue. Welcome to Two What's in a Wow, People Who Wow Edition with your host, Mindy. And featuring today's special guest, Raina Telgemeier. Hello and welcome to Two What's in a Wow, People Who Wow Edition, the Get-N-To-Know-You game show that separates the wows from the wands of some of the world's most interesting people. And our guest today is no exception. Says here, she is an award-winning New York Times bestselling author and cartoonist who loves historical places and says yes to drawing but no to basketball and used to hide behind pianos. Hmm, well, she's not hiding anymore. Let's give it up for Raina Telgemeier. Hi. Hi, Mindy. Raina, welcome to Two What's in a Wow. Thank you. Happy to be here. So about these pianos, hiding behind pianos, what's going on? You want to talk through some stuff? I was so shy as a kid and I didn't ever open my mouth when I was in class or when I was in a group setting and people, a lot of kids loved to raise their hands and answer the questions and talk out of turn. And I was always in the back, too shy. But then I had to take a choir class. It wasn't my choice, but I had to take a choir class when I was in sixth grade. And so the teacher made us all sing individually. And I was so scared to do it. I didn't want anybody looking at me when I did it. So the only way I would agree to sing out loud by myself was that I went and hid behind a piano so that she wouldn't see my face when I did it. But then for some reason, I was able to sing really loudly. And she was like, good boys, come back out here, Raina. Like you, you should sing loud on stage with the rest of us. And I was like, it's fine. I'll I'll do it with my face showing just as long as I don't have to be the only voice. You know, it's really interesting that you say this because you have written so many books that are all about your life. We're talking smile. We're talking sisters, ghosts, drama, guts. These are all books written about your life. They're autobiographical, meaning they're your business, your business on the page. I am the star of the show and three of those books, at least, I know. And then and then drama is about kids who were on stage. And yeah, I know what what changed. Many things change. I know I tell the story of my own life in my books. It's like a spotlight. So would so would you encourage any kids who are feeling a little shy right now, a little apprehensive to hold the microphone for themselves or or to be in the spotlight? Would you encourage them to come out from the piano or wait till they're ready? I mean, it could be behind the piano. It could be opening up a sketchbook and letting people see what's on your page. It could be typing a word and letting somebody read those words. It could be it could be anything like that. It's it's different ways of letting people see you. There's lots of ways to come out from behind the piano. Yes, got it. OK, Reina, well, it's time to get into our game. So before we do, I want to bring our audience up to speed on how this game works. So in each of our three rounds today, our guest, Reina, is going to give us three weird, interesting, unusual facts about herself. But and this is a big but only one of those statements will be a true. Wow. The other two, just a couple of made up. What? All right, Reina, if I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I must do a redonkulous physical challenge. So go easy on me here. Are you ready for round one? Yes. All right, round one is all about childhood beliefs, something that you believed when you were a kid, but maybe don't so much today. OK, maybe which of these is something I used to believe as a kid? Is it a. Books grew from the ground like flowers before being picked and put into bookstores. Or is it B. Monsters would sneak into my bedroom at night and were responsible for making me sick. Or is it C. All of my teachers lived at the school and I was just visiting to take classes. OK, so one of these is something that you believed when you were a kid. So believing that books grew from the ground and then were put in bookstores. I mean, technically that's not wrong. I mean, books are made out of paper. Paper comes from trees, but something tells me that's not the way you would have been thinking about it. Let's see. So monsters sneaking into your bedroom at night, making you sick. That one smells a little. Like a wow, or that your teachers lived at school and were just visiting to take classes and you were just visiting to take classes, like going to your teacher's house. They lived at the school. I mean, that is what teachers do live at the school. I'm pretty sure. So I'm going to guess. I think that the answer I think your one true wow is B. That monsters were crawling into your room at night trying to make you sick. Is that the one true? Wow. It is true. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tell us all about it, Reina. Tell us everything. It's such a funny memory that I have from when I was like maybe three or four years old, and it's like a vivid memory that like little guys would like open up my window at night, like like little kind of like bat winged creatures and that they were sharp and pokey and that they would sort of announce themselves and that they would climb up on my bed. They didn't scare me, but they were just like, hi, we're here. And that they would like shove my mouth open and like jump into my throat. And that that would like give me a sore throat. And that's kind of how it's like tickling it, tropping around in there. Just just kind of like that sort of thing. So you thought that the germs were these little creatures, these little monsters entering your body while you were asleep. I mean, I guess, yeah, you weren't scared. No, it just it was just kind of matter of fact. Little monsters. And then you saw a doctor and the doctor said, no, that is not true. Are you sure this is just a throat, Reina? Just your fine now, here are drugs. Yeah, it's almost like you you had a wild imagination as a kid, which I don't know. I don't know where that would have come from or how that would have played out in your life, but it sounds like you might have had a wild imagination that sometimes drove off the rails in the best way. I love it. So that means that I was correct. So I get three thousand points, we get three thousand points here. And teachers do live at school, right? I mean, my mom was a teacher for quite some time. And I far as I could tell, she lived at home. She still came home every day after she was done with her job. So she lived at home. I don't know about other teachers. I think there are a lot of teachers who feel like they live at school, even if they don't. That's true. I think so. I like the idea that you're going to a teacher's house, though, when you're going to class, like you just are visiting to take classes. OK, Reina, it is time for round two. And round two is all about behind the scenes, Reina. So I want you to give us three weird, interesting, unusual facts about your life behind the scenes. Take it away. OK, this one is about my book drama. The main character in that book is named Kelly Marin, and she loves theater and especially she loves working behind the scenes on set design. And some people think that she is based on myself, but she's not. I was always kind of like, I have things in common with her, but she's not based on me. And I never quite knew who she was, but I realized a few years ago that she is kind of based on it, inspired by somebody that I do know. So I'm going to have you guess who Kelly is based on. OK, so these are three facts. Only one is a true. Wow, the other two, just a couple of made up. What? All right. Yes, correct. OK. Is it a my best friend from seventh grade who loved theater even more than me? Is it B my cousin who would stay with us over the summer and decorate our bedroom? Or is it C my mom who loved creating costumes for me and my siblings? Oh, all right. So I am a Reggie, can we get some thinking music here? Thank you. I'm going to guess that I think it's not a your best friend from seventh grade who loved theater because I don't know. I just feel like seventh grade friendships, they come and go. I don't even know if this would have been something that you would have written about. Like, let's see, your cousin who used to come visit you in the summer and then you would redecorate your room. That sounds like someone who might enjoy later on working on sets for theater. But your mom, your mom used to make all of your costumes. I think that I will get it. And your mom, you love theater, your mom made costumes. I am going to guess that the answer is C. The character is based at the character. Kelly Marin is based off of your mom and your mom as a kid. Am I correct? I mean, I think so. I think that's where she comes from. I got it, right? I can't believe it. It's two for two. All right, so tell us all about it. Tell us all about your mom. Well, my mom, like the question says, she did spend every single Halloween, like, October 30th, she was up just an all night long getting the costumes ready and sewing them until the last second so that we would be perfect for the Halloween parade school the next day and then that night. And, you know, adding last minute flourishes. And then every time we had to play at school, she would help with the set decorations. And she was a stay at home mom for my childhood and my siblings' childhoods. But then she went back to school, she got her teaching degree, and then she became an elementary school teacher. But she was also the director of the Glee Club at her school. And so she put on musical performances twice a year with all of her students. But, man, the props that she would build to put those performances on. And we're not just talking like static props. We're talking like animated props and like lighting displays. And things that would just I mean, audiences would come and parents would come and the teachers and everybody would come to see her performances. They were like, Sue is going to knock this one out. And just, I mean, it was and it was still that thing of like mom's whole house is full of just props from from years worth of Glee Club performances. And it was, I don't know, it's a key part of her personality. And I didn't I didn't even really see it until after drama was published. I mean, we're talking 10 years later and I went, oh, my gosh, I never realized this book. Callie's totally my mom. Was your mom a cartoonist as well, even just as a hobby? No, nobody else in my family is a cartoonist. I somehow managed to be the only one. Wow, I wonder where that comes from. No clue. Two What's in a Wow will be right back after this ad break. That's it. Now back to the show. OK, Reina, it is time for round three and round three is all about hidden talents. So I want you to give us three weird, interesting, unusual facts about your hidden talents. And only one of these will be true. Wow, the other two, just a couple of made up. What? Reina, take it away. OK, so hidden talents kind of like me, you know, emerging from behind the piano to wow everybody. Is my hidden talent, A, that I can sing the baseline or the low part in a song because I have a low singing voice? OK, or is it the my secret love of writing fantasy novels on the side, like under non-diplom? All right. Or is it C, not to brag, but my friends and family call me the karaoke queen. Ah, all right, we talked about you hiding behind a piano when you were in having to audition for choir. And eventually you came out from behind the piano and you did sing. I am going to guess that a monster was created that day. And I am going to guess that in all your free time, you are not writing fantasy novels, you are not singing in a low voice. I am going to guess that you are a soprano and that you are out there pounding the pavement, doing karaoke at any place that will let you in. Raina, are you the karaoke queen? Is C your one true? Wow. No. It's not correct. Oh, man, I thought for sure that would have been correct. What a full circle moment that would have been. Let's see here. I, you know what? Then I'm going to guess that you're your hidden talent. I'm going to knock the singing one out of the out of here. Just get rid of it. Just get rid of the singing thing. I'm going to guess that your true hidden talent when no one is looking and no deadlines are looming is B writing fantasy novels just for fun. Also not true. What? No. Again? That's two. So your hidden talent is that you have a really deep, low singing voice. Yes, I do. Mindy, you know what I'm going to ask you to do next, Raina? Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. If I need to sing the baseline in, say, an acapella singing group, I can do it. So if you never need to start a barbershop quartet, say, and you want to sing some sandman songs, I can provide the baseline. No problem. Yeah, I always wanted to join like I wanted to go to real college instead of art school so that I could join like a college acapella group. I never got the chance. But someday, someday, Mindy, I'll go to college again. Raina, the night is young. It can happen. Oh my gosh, I'm just I'm looking for the opportunity. It would be so fun. Yeah, this this was this was actually like, like I was in the choir. I was in, you know, theater and stuff and all that. But when when nobody was around and nobody was looking and everybody would like go into those little those little rehearsal rooms that they have where where there's like a piano and stuff, my friends and I would would sing like the songs from from Disney movies and we'd get some some Simon and Garfunkel sheet music or whatever. And we would just we would just sit around like singing in three or four part harmony and I was like, give me the bass lines, give me the bass lines. Wow. I actually can't sing karaoke because there's not a lot of music for me that's low enough. I have such a deep singing voice. Raina, before we get into my redonkulous physical challenge for getting that wrong twice, I have to ask. Yeah, what? Yeah, bass is your redonkulous challenge. I'm just kidding. You probably can't. What? Oh, yeah. I will sing bass as my redonkulous physical challenge. How's that? Can I be in Raina and the Tenorettes? Yeah. OK, good. All right. And that's all the time we have for today. But Raina, before we go, I want to flip the script and challenge you to a little lightning round of a game that I like to call Let's Ruin the Story. And the way this works is I'm going to give you a title of a popular book or story and all you have to do is fill in the blank with a whole new word. In other words, wrong answers only. The tortoise and the tortoise and the muffin. Where the things are. Where the silly things are. Charlotte's Charlotte's bladder. There we go. The very caterpillar. The very. Talented caterpillar. There you go. The little engine that the little engine that shouldn't. Little on the prairie. Um. All you have to do is be wrong. I know it's just be wrong. Little chair on the prairie. There we go. And the club. Oh, my goodness. The artist's club. Artist's club. That is 30 seconds on the clock. Time is up. Raina. Good job. It's so hard to be wrong, isn't it? So hard. All right. Well, before we go, it is now time to wow. So Raina, I want you. This has been the get into know you game show. It is now time for our listeners to wow. So for this time to wow challenge, give our listeners or viewers a challenge that will help them find or spread wow to someone else. OK, um, I so one of the ways that I got better at what I do and practiced and became the cartoonist I am today is that I used to draw a lot of diary comics or journal comics. I just I made comics about my day and I did this for years starting when I was a kid. So my challenge to everybody is to draw a four panel comic about something that happened to you today. It could be anything. It could be it could be something interesting that happened to you, something very boring and mundane that happened to you. But four panels about something that happened today and to make it funny. And then to share that comic with a friend. Well, you know, Raina, I am just going to draw a picture of you and me doing this show today because I got to say this is this is this is wait, this is you. This is me. This is you. Wait, you. I don't know what's happening here. Do I have what it takes? Do do I have what it takes? Let me give you some tips. Comics are not just pictures. They also include words and word balloons. They include sound effects. They can include motion lines. They can include background elements and they can include, you know, like there's there's all these different elements that you can put into them to make them interesting and to make them funny. Just something that happened today. Boring, you're interesting. Your goal is to make it funny. And then your goal is to share it with somebody else. Raina, I think I've got another New York Times bestseller on my hands here. I'm just going to keep on tinkering with it. But I'm going to take your time to wow challenge. And I am going to make a four panel cartoon of my day, something special that happened in my day. And that is talking to you. Raina, thank you so much for being a person who wows not just my world, but the world of so many kids and tweens and teens and even grown-ups all over the world. So thank you again for joining us. If you are watching and you want to know more about Raina, if you didn't get all of her secrets here today, you can read them in her books or you can find out more at goraina.com. Raina, thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you, Mindy. This has been so fun. And remember, if you want more, wow, there's a lot more where that came from. Don't forget to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. And until next time, keep on wow. And a wow! Before we get into the credits for today's episode, we want to give some special shout outs and say a huge thank you to some of the wowsers whose families are powering the wow this year. We broke the names up into two batches. And here is our first batch of names. We are so grateful for your support. 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