Week 4 (Days 295-301): Why is Matthew 18:11 missing?
36 min
•Oct 28, 20256 months agoSummary
This episode of The Bible Recap Deep Dive addresses five theological questions from Days 295-301, including why Matthew 18:11 is missing from some Bible translations, the timing of Satan's fall, the early church's three-year catechumen process for new converts, Jesus's teachings on taking sin seriously, and how believers can know they're adopted into God's family.
Insights
- Bible translation differences (like missing verses) actually demonstrate textual reliability—thousands of manuscripts allow scholars to identify later additions and distinguish original texts from scribal interpolations
- Early church practices like the three-year catechumen process were driven by persecution and security concerns, not salvation requirements; conversion happened at faith, but public baptism required evidence of genuine transformation
- Jesus's intense language about sin (cutting off limbs, tearing out eyes) uses hyperbole to convey sin's destructive nature and God's protective love, not to promote self-harm or legalism
- Assurance of salvation comes through faith in Jesus's finished work, not behavioral performance; believers should take sin seriously while rejecting shame, which is a tool of the enemy
- Divided loyalty to God and other masters (money, success, career) creates internal conflict; wholehearted discipleship requires identifying and removing idols that compete for primary devotion
Trends
Growing emphasis in Christian teaching on distinguishing between conviction (Spirit-led) and shame (enemy-led) to combat spiritual burnout and performance-based faithRenewed interest in early church practices and church history as models for deeper discipleship and intentional faith formation in modern contextsShift toward teaching biblical literacy and textual criticism in mainstream Christian education to build confidence in Scripture's reliability despite translation variationsRecognition that sin and holiness are serious theological topics that Western churches have de-emphasized, creating need for recovery of biblical perspective on moral gravityIntegration of psychological and spiritual frameworks (cost-counting, heart motivation, identity in Christ) in contemporary Christian discipleship and pastoral care
Topics
Bible Translation Differences and Textual CriticismSatan's Fall and Spiritual Warfare TheologyEarly Church Catechumen Process and DiscipleshipSin, Holiness, and Moral Seriousness in ChristianityDivided Loyalty and IdolatryAssurance of Salvation and Adoption TheologyPersecution and Early Church HistoryShame vs. Conviction in Spiritual FormationWholehearted Devotion and DiscipleshipManuscript Evidence and Scripture ReliabilityHyperbolic Language in Jesus's TeachingConfession and Healing in Christian CommunityGrace, Repentance, and Spiritual GrowthHeart Motivation vs. Behavioral ModificationEternal Security and Faith in Christ
People
Kirsten McCloskey
Co-host of The Bible Recap Deep Dive; leads discussion on theological questions and biblical interpretation
Emma Daughter
Co-host of The Bible Recap Deep Dive; provides theological insights and church history expertise
Origen
Early church theologian cited for teaching catechumens to break old habits and build new spiritual disciplines
Clement of Alexandria
Early church theologian cited for emphasizing practical discipleship during the catechumen process
Constantine
Roman emperor referenced in context of persecution ending and shift in Christian status in society
Quotes
"The Bible is the inerrant word of God meaning it can be trusted and God has preserved the texts for us. So there's not a mistake. There's not something missing."
Kirsten McCloskey•Early in episode
"With thousands of manuscripts scholars can spot these additions or these... the absence of verse 11 actually reveals how trustworthy the Bible is."
Emma Daughter•Matthew 18:11 discussion
"Sin is damaging to us and it's something that God hates... Jesus is using this radical imagery, cut off your arm, tear out your eye, to show how seriously we should deal with sin, not because Jesus is cruel, but because sin harms us."
Emma Daughter•Sin discussion
"Divided loyalty leads to conflict... anything we put before God is an idol. If there's a wrestle going on and God isn't clearly distinguished as our number one priority, there's probably an idol at play."
Kirsten McCloskey•Two masters discussion
"There's no condemnation for those who are in Christ. So Jesus doesn't just forgive our sins. He frees us from sin's power so we can walk toward healing rather than feeling helpless or stuck or ashamed."
Emma Daughter•Sin and grace discussion
Full Transcript
Hey Bible readers! Welcome to TBR Deep Dive. I'm Kirsten McCloskey and I'm Emma Daughter. We are super excited to be with you today and I think let's just dive right in should we? Let's do it I'm ready. Okay so the first question comes from day 295 and this is specifically asking a question from Matthew 1811. Okay so the question is verse 11 seems to be missing. Is there a typo in my Bible? And my first question is what version do you have? What's going on? I I guessed there's not a typo. It's okay. Okay tell us why. Well let's think one thing clear because this is a genuine question. Some translations you're reading you might have noticed oh my goodness it skips from verse 10 to verse 12. What what's happening? Actually in mine is missing as well. Yes that's good. ESV it's definitely missing. So let's make one thing clear. The Bible is the inerrant word of God meaning it can be trusted and God has preserved the texts for us. So there's not a mistake. There's not something missing. There's not another verse out there that we've yet to discover. That's not what we're talking about. Okay good. It's also important that we remember verses were added later. Yes. So when Matthew wrote Matthew he wasn't numbering his sentences. This is simply a difference between translations. So this discrepancy you might be observing if like I did you read the ESV and saw it was missing. Yep. Is real. You are not crazy. That verse number is missing. That's true. However if you were to read the King James version for example an older translation. Matthew 1811 would be present and if you're curious it says for the Son of Man has come to save what was lost. Okay. In short. So it is there. Now it likely verse 11 came from Luke and was possibly added later and accidentally. So think about a copyist or a scribe writing. It would have sounded very familiar. This story they would have thought maybe something was missing. Like maybe another scribe made a mistake. Okay. And they thought to add it in. Yeah. Or they thought huh this seems like it could be more clear and they added in. But because we have so many copies of scripture the absence of verse 11 actually reveals how trustworthy the Bible is. So with thousands of manuscripts scholars can spot these additions or these. Yeah that's so interesting. Yeah it's cool. So with in total 5,800 Greek manuscripts we can be certain that verse 11 only appears in the later manuscripts. The older manuscripts don't have it. Yeah. But it's not a contradiction. The presence of it or the absence of it doesn't change anything. And if you really want verse 11 you can go read the King James and it's there for you. That's perfect. That's perfect. That's what I got. And it's not like if we're reading the King James what you read that verse is that's not a crazy thing to say. No. Isn't that mirroring what's in Luke 19 time? Yeah. Oh it's and it's possible that the scribe or the copyist when they were making another copy of the Bible just mixed up Matthew and Luke. Okay. And they added it in here because they knew it belonged to someone else. So they thought oh this got left out by somebody else. I need to add it back in. Yeah. And really they were just mixing up the Gospels. Yeah. I have definitely done that before when I have thought I've been helpful and added something that made it not helpful necessarily. It happens. It happens to the best of us. Yeah. But headline is your Bible doesn't have a typo. It's okay. And if you really want that verse you can go check out other translations. But we got another question. Okay. Yeah. You okay for me to move on? Yes. Yes. All right. It comes from day 298 Luke 10 18. And the question is when did Satan fall from heaven and is Jesus talking about a past, present or future event? So let's read the verse before we get in. Good point. Jesus is talking to his disciples and he says in Luke 10 18, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I think that's the explicit phrase that's in question. Okay. Great. So yeah. Great question. The short answer to this is that there's probably two different ways that we can look at the timeframe of this. Okay. So first option would be that Luke is referring to a past event. So Jesus through the Gospel Luke is referring to a past event. Something that already happened. Something that already happened. Scholars are thinking that this is referencing Isaiah 14 12, which says how you have fallen from heaven morning star son of the dawn. You have been cast down to the earth. You who once laid low the nations. So this if this is what is happening here, then this would be before Satan tempts Adam and even the garden. Like this is before really this book starts. Okay. So the when is a long time ago, a long, long time ago. The other option though, which is kind of an interesting different way to look at this is that Jesus is seeing Satan's defeat as his disciples are casting out demons on their mission. Interesting. And so one commentator said this refers symbolically to what the exorcisms performed by the 72 meant. They're casting out of demons demonstrated the defeat of Satan. And so there's an interesting Greek verb thing going on here. And so it could potentially be trans translated. I was seeing. So Jesus saying I was seeing Satan cast down. And so that is, that is maybe one way to think of it as like presently as Jesus's disciples are out on their mission. So two options there. I don't know. What do you think about that? I think they're both probable. I find it's always helpful whenever we're asking a very specific theological question like this to ask, what else does the Bible have to say about this? I know you do that often. A few places I went where Isaiah 14 versus 12 through 15 and Ezekiel 28 12 through 18, which specifically described the fall. Now, they do originally refer to the king, to some kings in the ancient world, but many scholars believe they also point to the spiritual power behind those kings, meaning Satan. So it's interesting to think about how just as in with this exact verse, there's multiple interpretations within the relevant verses outside of this passage and question. There are also multiple interpretations. But those verses explain more why Satan fell rather than the when, which I think is a key distinction. When we think about why Satan fell in the first place, whether that be, I assume this would mean I'm talking about the first answer. So back in the garden, back before the garden, like we're really rewinding the clock and the core reason would be pride. Satan wanted to be God, to be like God, to be better than God. He didn't want to serve God. And that Isaiah 14 passage, it's most likely Satan who says, I will multiple times as an attempt to take God's place. I will be better. I will be higher. I will be greater. And ultimately, God cast him out of heaven. He didn't fall by accident. Satan didn't fall like lightning by accident. He was pushed out because of sin and heaven is a place of holiness and Satan's rebellion had no place there. Yeah, interesting. And so the other thing, just as this is kind of a a little bit more of like an out here sort of question, let's yeah, lofty. I like that. So just tangibly, the reality is that Satan has been defeated. So we just want to, yeah, we want to really reiterate that he's lost. And again, although we see that there's still some activity, he's still present in the world in some way, shape or form. We know that from scripture. Eventually the full judgment of him is going to take place. So we don't need to be afraid. We don't need to be fearful. We don't need to live in fear. The battle is won. The victory is Christ. Some people though, they do struggle with that idea because they read these passages like that of Job. And it seems like Satan, even though he's defeated, he could still ask God questions. He could still approach God. Yeah. So that's Job one, six, through seven. Satan could approach God's throne and there are accounts of his activities while we're on this earth. And there's two different primary views on this. So one is Satan's activity or direct access to God ended at Jesus, Jesus's death on the cross or his resurrection, I suppose. And then the other is that it will end during the end times battle, sometime way far in the future. But regardless, we can be certain he has been defeated and that Jesus was victorious over death, the level to which Satan can communicate with God nowadays. I don't know. Right. But we can be certain of what is true. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that's a really good thing to even just settle on. There's a lot that we don't know. Yes, so much. This kind of stuff. We just have these little pockets like the Job, you know, the Job verse. You're like, what? What is happening here? Yeah, they're just having a chat. What's going on? So I think, you know, it's okay to ask the questions around it. It's really good to ask the questions, but then we sometimes have to settle on. This is what I, this is what I think. Yeah, this is what it could be. But in the end, we don't have a for sure on some of that. But for sure. Should we move on? I think so. Next question. Let's do it. Alrighty. So this is coming from day two, 99. Great. And the question is, TLC mentioned that the early church took three years to affirm the faith of new converts. Why? I love this question. I think church history is so fun. Me too. I'm continuously learning more and more and learned more even studying for this episode. So when we say early church, we're talking about the second through the fourth centuries. Generally. Sometimes we extend that a little bit longer. First century could be lumped in as well, but that's, that's about the window. And new converts would enter a process. This is a big word. It was called the catacuminate. Oh my gosh. Okay. What's that? That pronunciation. It's got a lot of letters in it. Okay. But it was a structured time of teaching and testing. Okay. So it was a catechism like teaching, right? Yes. Okay. That would, that would be a root, a root word, if you will. So this period could last up to three years, especially in big cities like Alexandria, Antioch, Rome. This, this practice was more common. And this, a catacumen would be the individual, the believer who's undergoing this process. They're interested in Christianity. They are saying, Hey, I'm placing my faith in Jesus, but they haven't yet been baptized. So it's that conversion moment hasn't been officially recognized by the church. Okay. Now why? Why, why was this training period three years long? That seems very extreme to me. I don't know about you. Yeah. And one thing that I just want to pop in and say is I think that we want to be really clear about, it didn't take them three years to become a Christian. Yes. Right. So that's not what we're saying. It wasn't about earning their salvation, but it was about affirming. Is that, is that what we're going? Yeah. It was about others seeing evidence of transformation, but there were also some cultural pressures that led to this delay. So yes, the, the church leaders wanted to see evidence of a real genuine faith in the life of the believer. It gave them time to learn the scriptures, understand doctrine, implement spiritual practices like prayer and fasting, but persecution was super real during this time. So becoming a Christian could mean death or imprisonment, especially before Constantine became in charge. If you're a history buff, you get that reference, but the reality is it was a tumultuous time. It wasn't necessarily fun to be a Christian or then to publicly say, Hey, I'm following Jesus because persecution would right. It could have meant instantly. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Additionally, the church had to be sure that this new convert, quote unquote, new convert wasn't a Roman informant pretending to convert in order to expose the church. So this was also a socio political protection measure because they didn't want to bring someone in and then that informant is like, Oh, you're a Christian, you're a Christian, you're a Christian, you're a Christian. I'm going to kill all of you. Wow. Right. So the process was protective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so really, it's if a person's heart was truly transformed the day they hear the gospel for the first time, that's when they were saved. Yes. That's when they were saved. Yeah. They believed salvation was by faith alone, faith, grace, all of that. It was not about their works. It was not about the length of time. This was a cultural practice implemented in response to what was going on outside of the church. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we, in one of my church history classes, we read one of the documents, one of the texts that they would use in this catechum. What was the fancy word? The class. The class. Yeah. Can we call it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they were in class and they were reading what we now call the did okay, which is also, I think from a Greek word to teach. And so this was the instruction for these new believers to really invite them into the way of Jesus. And that text is actually very readable. So if you're someone who finds stuff like this interesting, feel free to look that one up and take a peek at it. It is a little bit like a kind of like an instruction manual or almost like a little bit of an interpretation on some scripture passages. So it's kind of fun if you like that. Yeah. The other thing that I was thinking about with this is just kind of the idea of what it meant for them to count the cost. Yes. And I feel that that period of time is also helping them really understand what is what is happening when I'm saying yes to this. And so that from Luke 14, 27 to 32, kind of that idea of counting the cost. And so I think that that's, I think that that's something kind of bringing it to our day that sometimes I feel like we don't maybe do the best job of anymore. Like I think we've missed some of some of the importance of really teaching and instructing people and really helping them understand, yes, you believe and let's talk through all that that means for you. Let's help you understand that. I mean, that's what you guys are doing as you're reading through your Bibles. Great job. Yeah. That's what we're trying to do here is to help people understand more of what they've actually said yes to. Totally. And that's, I'm glad you bring that up, Kirsten, because the early church took holiness very seriously. They really believed it was important to understand what you were committing to by following Jesus and what walking in his footsteps meant, living as his disciple. There were leaders like Origen and Clement of Alexandria that taught that these students needed to go through this process as a very practical season to break old habits and build new disciplines. Yeah, to really help come alongside them in their faith. Means of discipleship. In the third century, there were some exceptions. If there were individuals that they were already bearing fruit and it was evident, hey, you've been saved, you're not a Roman spy or whatever, they would exempt them. They could get baptized sooner. So it wasn't even a hard and fast rule of this is the only way, but it was a way. And baptism itself was viewed as incredibly sacred because it happened much more publicly. If you think about churches, meeting in houses, they wouldn't have had baptismals in the house or even bathtubs like we do today. They would have had to actually go out somewhere to get baptized, welcoming or encouraging, inviting the persecution. So that's a different context to think in. But at the end of the day, the reality that's underlying all of those practices is that they took it really seriously. Yeah, discipleship and just understanding what they were believing. Yeah. That's cool. You ready for the next question? Yeah, let's do it. All right. This came from day 295, Matthew 18. And the question is, sounds like Jesus takes sin really seriously. Do you think this intensity is still applicable today? How should we think about sin? That is a great question. So let me read you the text. Okay. Matthew 18, seven through nine. Jesus said, Woe to the world for temptations to sin, for it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes. And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire. So I think the answer is this intensity still applicable? Yes. The answer is yes. And how should we think about this? So again, short answer, yes, because sin is incredibly serious. And I do think there's a there's a piece where we've lost some of this in, in our churches today, maybe more in the West. I don't know. I can't necessarily speak to other cultures, but I think that we, we need to have a greater understanding of how evil sin is, how destructive it is, and the reality that God hates it because he made everything good and it is destroying the good things. And so Jesus is obviously using some hyperbole, so some exaggeration in this passage. He doesn't actually want us to chop off parts of our body. No, he doesn't. Right. But as he's using that language, that's where we need, we need to realize how seriously he's taking it in terms of how catastrophic it is, it's disastrous, it's detrimental. I was trying to think of all the words to just think about really that's the perspective that we need to have. Sin is damaging to us and it's something that God hates. Yeah. I'm glad you bring that up that it's damaging. I think of destructive. James 1.15 reads, then desire, when it has conceived, gives birth to sin and sin, when it is fully grown, brings forth death. Just this idea that sin kills and Jesus is using this radical imagery, cut off your arm, tear out your eye, to show how seriously we should deal with sin, not because Jesus is cruel, but because sin harms us and it's a protection measure that Jesus is advocating for. Yeah. And we see the result of that all the way back in Genesis. We get two chapters of things going well and then we see the destructive consequences of sin. It brings death and it brings all the other things that we're reading about throughout this book. And I actually, in one of my classes a couple years ago, our professor asked us to try to imagine what the world would be like. Basically, if there was no original sin and it was really hard to do because everything in our lives are so affected by it. It's like I drove here today and I had to wear a seatbelt. I locked my car. Yeah. I locked my car. Just all these things that we're just kind of like, oh, this is what we do. And so I think that's where we really need to see sin as the enemy and that's what it talks about in scripture. Sin is the enemy and it separated us from God and from each other and from the rest of creation. Yeah. I also think sin does separate. So Jesus' instruction, his intensity, it's important for us to remember it's rooted in love though, not legalism. Yes, 100%. That's such a good point. So when I think about it, I'm like, okay, he's speaking with urgency and this intensity because he cares about our souls, not just our behavior. Yes. And that intensity that he's speaking with here in this passage is still applicable today. Yes. And it's not a means by which we should be afraid or fear punishment. Right. Or do just behavior modification. Or just modify our behavior. But it's an opportunity for us to think, wow, Jesus loves us so much that he, yes, rescued us, but is also giving us instruction regarding how we should live while we navigate a broken world where we have to walk our cars so we don't get robbed. Yeah. Yeah, that's such a good point because it's about the heart change. It's about the transformation as we are being made more and more into Christ's image. And so I do think that it's good to think about this. I think it's good to talk about it. And I think in the church, first and foremost, I think we really, we need to recover some sense of disgust and just the reality of what sin does to us. And it's not about, you know, let's not be pointing fingers. Jesus also talks about that. Remove the log from your own. So this is not about pointing fingers or, you know, making some hierarchy of sin. Right. This is, please don't be the same place. Yes. But it's dealing with it in our own hearts and saying to God, like, I would like to take sin as seriously as you do. You know, change my heart so that I see these things that I might, I might like, I might even love them a little bit, but I really need to see them the way that you do. And I, yeah. And that's the difference between taking sin seriously and then letting shame have the final say because we can, we can take our sin really seriously and also let that become our identity. I'm a failure. I always fall short. I'm a let down, whatever. Or we can take our sin seriously, repent and live with hope and security and confidence. When we stumble, we're not meant to bury ourselves in guilt. We're invited to run to grace. Romans eight, one, there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ. So Jesus doesn't just forgive our sins. He frees us from sin's power so we can walk toward healing rather than feeling helpless or stuck or ashamed. And one way we do that practically is through confessing our sins with others. I think about James five, 16, confess your sins to one another, pray for each other so that you will be healed. The desire for, for God's people expressed by God and his followers all throughout the scriptures is that we would find freedom, that we would be free, that we wouldn't feel like we're weighed down. Yeah. That's a really great point. That's a really great point to do. Yeah. The confession piece. James said it first. James, James is falling. Okay. Good. You got another one for the next one. Okay. I'm ready. So this is coming from day 301. So the question is, what does Jesus mean by saying you can't serve two masters? This feels kind of extreme. So we had some extreme language from Jesus today that we're working through. So that's good. I don't know if I agree that it's extreme. Yeah. I actually kind of don't think it really is either, but I get this in a minute of the question. Yes. What does it mean? What is it? Yeah. Let's talk about that. So here's the verse Luke 16, 13 says, no one can serve two masters for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. Maybe the extremity is in the love and hate. Maybe that's kind of what they're thinking about. Second part of them. Yeah. Okay. I think the answer is fairly simple. It's what does Jesus mean? Divided loyalty is going to lead to conflict. It's like when you see those flags that people put up in front of their house for sports teams. I went to a Texas school, so I most commonly see the A&M and the University of Texas flags that says divided household. And the idea is that the people in the house, they don't get along. They're rooting for each other's opponent. And that's what Jesus is getting at. If you're serving God and something else, your heart is being pulled in opposite directions. There's a discord, a tension. It's not adding up. And it's been said, I'm not sure who initially said this, that anything we put before God is an idol. And so multiple things can be our number one priority. That could be money. That could be success. That could be our job. That could be school. That could be your kids' success. But if there's a wrestle going on and God isn't clearly distinguished as our number one priority, there's probably an idol at play. There's probably some sort of divided loyalty. And that's significant because your master controls your life. Romans 6, 16, whatever owns your heart is going to shape your priorities, the direction you're headed. So that'd be my first kind of reaction. Yeah, what Jesus is saying, whether you think it sounds extreme or not, it's true. Provided loyalty leads to conflict. Yeah. And I think, so he's, so in the context, he's specifically saying you can't serve both God and money. And so I think this is an easy one to kind of like check your heart on that first. But I do think what you said is very important that anything could be in that place. You can't serve both God and name it, my job, whatever, even if it's a good promotion, right? Like if it's a good thing or a neutral thing, right? And that's what I think is interesting about the money piece is that money is pretty inherently neutral. But serving it, yeah, making it everything, your number one aim in life is more money. Yeah. You are a slave to that thing. So anything in which you're, you're a slave to, that's, that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. That's problematic. Yeah. And that's significant because following Jesus requires you to leave everything else. So true discipleship, the true follower of Jesus is going to cost them something. Jesus called people to walk away from careers, comfort, control, to give up everything. And so half hearted devotion, like a shallow soil, trying to grow a plant in a pot that's too small. It might seem great at first, but over time, it's going to wither. Yeah. It's not set up to flourish or succeed. Yeah. And the, so the other thing too with this is again, it's not about behavior modification. No, this is about our attitudes, our heart motivation. So I like the way one commentator wrote about it. He said, Jesus takes people's attitude towards money as a means of teaching the lesson that discipleship must be wholehearted. So back to kind of how you started us with the divided loyalty. This is, this is the key that our heart and our attitude and our motivations need to be wholeheartedly towards God and pursuing him. I, uh, I really like Psalm 86, 11, just as a practical verse to pray in response. If you're listening to this conversation and you're thinking, like my, my loyalties may be divided. Maybe it's money. Maybe it's something else. Psalm 86, 11 says, teach me your way, oh Lord, that I may walk in your truth, unite my heart to fear your name. And I love that, uh, that request of the Lord at the end. Would you unite my heart? Would you, I'm recognizing before the Lord, Hey, there's things in my heart that are divided. My loyalty isn't a hundred percent to you. Would you fix it? Would you heal me? Would you change me? And that's the work of the spirit as we yield to the spirit rather than strict behavior modification. I got to get through it, do it all on my own perform. Yep. That's such a great point. Yeah. And you can ask God too, okay, where am I serving two masters? You know, where? Yeah, there's some explorations, some self reflection. Right. Exactly. What's going on? Yeah. So have a heart to heart about what's happening in your own heart with the Lord. Amen. Amen. You ready for the last question? Yes, let's do it. Alrighty. It comes from day two 99. They clearly, if they're following along with the Bible recap, they're listening closely. They said, Hey, TLC mentioned that we can know that we're adopted into God's family. How? How can we know? How can we be so sure? Yeah. That is a really good question. Um, I'm so glad that this person asked that because it's very important because that, that's what's giving us security. How can I know that I am God's kid? And, um, I'm going to say, cause the Bible tells you so. What was that song? Remember the Bible tells me so? Yes. Jesus loves me. A classic. There we go. A classic. So this is also Bible tells me so. So let's look at a few verses that will, that will really help with this. So Ephesians one, four to five, for he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight in love. He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ in accordance with his pleasure and will. And so there's a few more I want to talk about too. But the other thing I was thinking of is that there is an element of faith to this because, yes, the Bible tells us so, but we also need to believe what it says. Sure. And so we can, that is key. How, how do we know? Well, you, you've got to put your faith in Jesus. Right. Right. It's going to tell you in here, but you also have to trust that this is what happens when I believe in Jesus. I am now adopted into God's family. Another verse that's great Romans 8, 15 to 16, for you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out Abba Father. The spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God. I've got two that I like. Oh yeah. Okay. I, I learned something called the navigator's topical scripture memory system. Okay. And it's a way of you, you learn Bible verses by memorizing them with a heading, a heading or a title. Nice. Oh, that's interesting. So, so for example, if you were like, I'll have sinned, you'd have two verses underneath. One heading I learned was assurance of salvation, which is really helpful. Yeah. For questions like this and the two verses that fit under that heading are 1st, John 5, 11 through 13 and John 5, 24. So 1st John is, and this is the testimony that God gave us eternal life and this life is in his son. Whoever has the son has life. Whoever does not have the son of God does not have life. But then this is the best part because John says, I write these things to you who believe that you may know that you have eternal life. And I think that's such a good reminder because he's writing to believers to encourage them that they can know, just like Terri Lee said in the podcast this week. Yeah. And then John 5, 24, excuse me, truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but is passed from death to life. And it's that truly, truly, this is true. You can know if you've heard and believed you're saved and secure forever. Yeah. Yeah. And the truth is, if you're a Christian, you are in God's family. That's what happens. There's no way around it. That's what happens when you believe in Jesus. You are a part of God's family. And one final verse that I think is really helpful too is John 1, 12 to 13. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. I think as we're talking about this topic, it's also important to note that it's okay to wrestle. It's okay to ask hard questions. My friend, our friend, I should say, was thinking through some questions we can ask in response to this. And it's like, hey, am I seeing the fruit of the spirit in my life? Am I becoming more like the Son? Am I reminding myself of the truth of the gospel on a daily basis? And the answer, if the answer is no, it's an opportunity to turn and trust Jesus, believing in his life, death, burial, resurrection, that we are sinners. We fall short of God's glory, but Jesus on our behalf took the punishment we deserve and rose again. And today, if you're listening to this podcast and your answers, no, there's no fruit. You're not becoming more like the Son. You don't even know the truth of the gospel. That's the good news, that our salvation is dependent on faith and Jesus' finished works, rather than our own. But if your answers are yes and no, maybe you've made that commitment, you've placed your faith in Jesus, but you're not seeing this fruit and you're starting to wrestle like, oh no, does that mean I'm not saved? It's an opportunity to respond, to repent, to ask the Spirit for help and walk in it. His mercy is our new every morning. Amen. Amen. Okay, so Emma, that was our last question. So what was something that impacted you this week? What was something fun that you learned? Yeah, I think what impacted me the most this week, as I was studying these texts and digging into these questions, was the reminder to take our sin seriously, but not to let sin have the final say, I am an achiever. So when I realize I'm falling short or the Spirit reveals an area where maybe there's a pattern of failure, I can be so hard on myself. And so that encouragement and that reminder, there's no condemnation that yes, the Spirit, God wants to show me my sin and help me look more like Jesus, but not to shame me, to grow me and because he loves me. And so if I'm realizing my sin and recognizing it and that's leading me to feel shame, that's not a work of the Spirit. That's the enemy, trying to be really sneaky and crafty. And so I was encouraged by the reminder. Yeah, no condemnation. What about you? Yeah, well, I actually really appreciated when we were talking through it and you were talking about the shame piece. I was like, that is such a good point. So that was a little light bulb for me as we're just talking. But I think, yeah, I think just thinking about that simple question of how can we know that we're adopted into God's family? What a good question. And so I was encouraged by looking up the verses, thinking about what it means. And I just that John one, he gave the right to become children of God. That is so cool. And I'm just really thankful that I'm thankful that that's the kind of language that that God uses for us, that we're his children. I think that's really special. Yeah, so I appreciated thinking about that. All right. Any final thoughts? You feel good? I feel great. How about you? Feel good. Thanks for taking a deep dive with us and we'll see you next week as we continue to read, understand and love the Bible and the God who wrote it.