Craig Sumner & Dr. Bruce Betts on Artemis II, Nikki Gerber on the Fight Over Data Centers

Westwood One presents America at Night. Here's your host, McGraw-Millhaven. Historic night on a Friday night, April 10th, 2026, because just under an hour ago, the Orion Space Capsule splashed down in the Pacific Ocean in what they're calling a bullseye landing. It was picture perfect, literally, because all the networks were carrying it. And you got to see it live for the first time. And if you didn't really pay attention, it almost looked like you were watching the end of Apollo 13. That's how special it was. We're going to talk a lot of space in it because it is a historic night. Craig Sumner is with us. He's a retired NASA aerospace engineer and a featured emeritus docent at the U.S. Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, Alabama. Craig, welcome to America at Night. Good evening, McGraw. Well, what are your thoughts as you watch this historic video? You know, it takes me back over 53 years ago when we watched Apollo 17 make its final splash down in the Pacific Ocean. And here again, we've got a national event, an international event taking place where it seems like we all came together in solidarity to really share in the joys and the success and the safe return of our astronauts. So it's just awesome. Yeah, it there does seem to be over the last 10 days, even with all of the news going on around the world, we have paused and paid attention to these four astronauts that were slung shot around the moon. It does seem like there has been a moment at least that we've been able to sort of turn off the bad and been able to look to the good. It's so nice to have the human element back in the picture. You know, and just instead of getting photos sent from space, you've got the human element that was describing their trip from lift off to navigating around the moon and our return trip home. And then the six minutes that we all sit here a little bit uptight while we lose communications, we don't hear anything from the crew. And when you finally get that first call that they've made it through that period of no radio silence that they're safe. And then to get the report that they're all green, which I didn't even know just exactly what the commander meant by that, but it was a good thing. They were all in good shape and good spirits. And now they're bobbing around out there in the ocean probably be happy when they get picked up by the helicopters and put back on a solid surface again. Tell people about your story because we wanted you on the show because you have a long career. I guess you were inspired early on as a child to become a NASA aerospace engineer. Yeah, my dad was a military World War II fighter pilot, Korean fire pilot. I always had my interest in making spaceships and following NASA and five months after Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon, I became an intern at the Marshall Space Flight Center here in Huntsville, Alabama, working on the lunar roving vehicle with the last three crews that were going to the moon that would use that vehicle to expand their trips on the moon to other mineral sites through the use of this roving vehicle. So that was a really good first start. I was 19 years old. I would fly up here in the back seat of a Navy aircraft, training aircraft to meet with the astronauts flying in from Houston during my school week. And it was kind of spectacular picking these guys up in my 66 valiant when the rental cars weren't ready at Redstone Airfield and driving them over to our simulation facilities and just having a biscuit and a cup of coffee and getting to know three crews that were just ordinary men with exceptional jobs was a real lifetime experience. So the trainer we had at the Marshall Space Flight Center gave them the sensation of what it would be like driving in one 6G on the moon. And you can't get that anywhere but in a simulator when you've got one G on Earth. And it was phenomenal. I mean, they're talking about their flights coming in from Houston to their families. And these are, like I said, ordinary people doing just extremely exciting jobs. That led into me getting called up in the military and going off and flying C-130s during the Vietnam War. And then when the war was over, coming back and mainly working on the space shuttle program. I was the deputy project manager on the space shuttle external tank, the fuel tank. So I used to be on that mission management team McGraw to help get our astronauts launched into space and then to watch them safely return. So we're watching now as the Artemis crew, the hatches opened, they're being extracted from the capsule, the big balloons are on top, it's upright floating in the Pacific Ocean. What do you think is going through the mind of those four astronauts that have been out in space for the last 10 days? Keep in mind that time that they've had their bobbin around was to get out of their reentry suits back into something a little bit more comfortable. I think they're excited to just look at each other and know that we did it. All of our planning, everything that goes into the tremendous team, both at NASA and the contractors that support NASA, to put this whole thing together and land so close to the recovery ship and to see boats around you within just a matter of minutes, helicopters flying around. They know they're back on Mother Earth, they're trying to get their sea legs back. They're just kind of adjusting to some fresh air that has been passed in through the door hatch coming open and they're going to step out onto this porch here in a few minutes and we'll see see them all carried away two at a time with the helicopters back to the, the recovery ship. Craig Sumner with us, retired NASA aerospace engineer and a featured emeritus docent at the U S space and rocket center in Huntsville, Alabama. It was a near flawless mission. Was it not? No, it's really interesting to watch the mid course corrections, not necessary. And on the reentry, it was just clockwork. You know, they really had this thing put together well. You know, the computers on board Apollo were 74 pounds. They had 4k of RAM. They've got all the computer power capability in the world right now inside the, the capsule integrity. And, and for this thing to come back and make a pinpoint hit in the ocean is just always phenomenal to me. They had a little trouble with some of their radios, you know, to be able to talk to the, the Navy divers. I think they got those bugs all worked out finally, but I think they're ready to get on to the next step and I'm excited for them. Yeah, real quick. How worried were you about the heat shields? Well, you know, I look at the one that we have at the space and rocket center, it's Apollo 16. And at 5000 degrees is pretty hot on the outside and the blader that's down there to kind of burn away as they're coming back in, did its job back in Apollo. Artemis one, the unmanned vehicle had some, some damage done to it. And by changing the amount of time they spent in the 5000 degrees, we'll only know once this thing gets on board the ship and brought back home for us to look and see if that reentry was better than the previous one, which I'm, I'm sure it will be. So let's, what's that? I figured our engineers had this thing worked out. I'm just glad to see them bobbing around in the ocean right now. Sure. It's extraordinary video to see on the monitors as it floats in the Pacific ocean off the coast of San Diego and the, the boats, the Navy boats that are picking them up and extracting them from the vessel. Okay. So onto air, air miss three and four back to the moon. You were talking about the rovers you worked on on Apollo 15, 16 and 17. What's the new LTV lunar terrain vehicle going to look like when we go back to the moon? You know, they're going to have different capabilities. If one, one hasn't been selected yet, I don't believe totally. But whereas the astronauts were out in their spacesuits, I think one of the rovers that's on the, on the table is where they'll be in shirt sleeves. So they'll be leaving their habitat, getting inside a rover in a shirt sleeve environment and, and not having to walk around, get in and out of the rover. It was pretty awkward for our astronauts in a pressurized suit to flop down inside the rover, actually fall down into it, pull on a strap on their chest to bend their suit over and lock it into place and put on their Velcro seat belts. So I think this is going to be a lot better. My buddy of 40 years, John Young certainly enjoyed fish tailing and rooster tailing dust out the back of the rover. I think the rovers that they're going to have this time, I'll be more comfortable to, to operate and ride in. And I'm kind of excited to see what, what the final design was going to look like. How bigger, how much bigger is the rocket going to be and this, the spaceship to bring that type of vehicle to the moon? No, it's interesting. We all had weight bogies on the Apollo program and our lunar roving vehicle had to come in under 500 pounds, which really led us down a path of making tires, wheels that weight 11 pounds, made out of piano wire. So these, these folks are really all trying to design something that's going to be able to comfortably house two people, I'm sure, for their moon, EVAs. And you know, I'm, I can only tell you it's going to be small. It's not going to be something large, but I think it'll be something to get somewhere they need to go, point A to point B. Talk about how proud Huntsville is tonight. You know, I was at the US space and rocket center and our museum had, I think over a thousand people there for launch and just looking at the faces and the excitement, tears in some people's eyes as we all stood together in unity to watch this vehicle lift off the pad and then to rejoice tonight, we had over 6000 people understand downtown celebrating the splashdown and the joy that we're feeling here and then the rocket city is we're on a, we're on a high. This is really great. We're just proud to be Americans and proud to celebrate in the common accomplishment of what this team has done and accomplished here in front of our own eyes tonight. Craig Sumner with us a couple more minutes, retired NASA aerospace engineer and featured emeritus docent at the US space and rocket center. Craig, there's a lot of attention to this as we said over the last 10 days. You imagine that there's some young kids watching this somewhere in the United States that is going to get excited about science and math and technology and one of those kids who are watching this today will take a step on the planet Mars. I know they will. And today while I was being a docent at the space and rocket center, I get to talk to those young people and I see the gleam in their eye and they don't seem to see any barriers that would keep them from reaching for the skies, but tell them to always make the best grades they can in school, pay attention to their teachers and the parents, but what I really want you to do is dream big about what you would like to do and then don't let anybody keep you from reaching that dream. So I'm looking at the, the next Mars astronauts, you know, that will follow the ones that are in front of them. I think they're excited. They know they can get their arms around this and it's, it's just rocket science. Is the technology, has it been created yet or do we still need to break through with this discoveries to get to Mars or is the technology already available? McGraw always tell people it's the journey that I so appreciate where we develop new materials, new processes, microelectronics, new procedures and the skill set. I think the, the technology's there and here today where in how in the world with slide rolls back in the 60s, did we get all of this done with, with what we had available to us at the time. So we've got some really bright young men and women out there that have taken on the STEM courses that they need to pursue a aerospace engineering career. Technologies are there. It's just going to be fun watching the, the journey as we go to landing on the moon and have a permanent presence. Last question for you, Craig. I got about a minute. Is it true? You mentioned the computers from between then and now, is it true the computers on the Apollo missions had the capabilities of the solar calculators we had in the 70s? They really did. You know, everybody that walks into the area where we're looking at the lunar module or the command module and showing them a 74 pound computer that they had a call up and in, in flight, going to the moon, reload the computer with all the zeros and the ones necessary to get them on the right trajectory. So we've got so much more capability in our cell phones that we all have today, our smartphones, uh, if capabilities there, it's way beyond what we had 53 years ago. I'm pretty, pretty amazing stuff. Craig Sumner, retired NASA aerospace engineer and a feature to Meredith docents at the U S space and rocket center. Craig, thank you for joining us on a historic night. I know it's special for you and to take time for a couple of minutes to tell your tale. We really appreciate it. Good luck and get back to work. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. You got it. We're just getting started. We're going to talk next hour more about this historic night as they are waiting the, uh, retrieval of the, uh, astronauts as the capsule landed. They're calling it a bullseye landing off the coast of San Diego. We're just getting started. America at night back in a moment. America at night with McGraw, Millhaven, where the nation comes to talk. This is America at night with McGraw, Millhaven, some extraordinary pictures coming off of, uh, the coast of San Diego, the Artemis too, with the, as a mission control called it a bullseye landing. They've had some trouble. The word is that all of the crew are in excellent condition. They're having some trouble with what they're calling the porch. Because of the, um, currents in the Pacific Ocean, they're having a hard time hooking up the front porch. Now they have hooked up the front porch and the, uh, astronauts are now going to be taken out of the capsule. And, uh, they are going to be, uh, lifted, uh, from helicopter, uh, onto the USS John Murtha. And then once all of the four astronauts are out of the capsule, the ship, the capsule, uh, will then be pulled onto the deck after the astronauts have left. There are a number of people on that quote unquote front porch, which is an inflated raft, if you will, but they're calling it a front porch. So this is taken, uh, longer than they had expected, but it seems like the currents were a bit, uh, of a problem. But, uh, word is that, uh, the astronauts are reported to be in excellent condition and, uh, the sun setting over the Pacific Ocean, uh, right out, right off the coast of San Diego, pretty extraordinary, uh, pictures. And if you get a chance, go back and look at the videotape of, um, the landing because it was pretty majestic and pretty spectacular, not something you see every day. Even in this cynical world, you cannot be blasé about four human beings, three Americans and one Canadian going around the moon and watching it splash down live on television. Pretty extraordinary stuff. Hey, we're going to talk more about this later on next hour, but we're going to talk about data centers coming up in just a minute. Stay right there more on America at night with this historic night as America heads back to the moon and safely back to earth. America at night back in a moment. You're listening to America at night with McGraw Millhaven. If you want to save a few quid British gas have a way, you get half price lecky and it's called peak save. On every Sunday, it's the smart thing to do if you're regular folk or furry and blue. 11 till four, let the good times begin. You could charge up the car or take the dryer for a spin. Half price electricity, what joy that brings with British gas peak save, we're taking care of things. 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The first, with this, we were supposed to talk data centers, but we sort of juggled things around a little bit. So we're going to check in with data centers. We'll talk more about that on Monday, but we have one eye on what's going on in the Pacific Ocean. We're going to talk more about it next hour. But let's talk data centers for a couple of minutes because this is probably one of the most controversial topics going on in America. And there are fights all over the country from state capitals to towns and subdivisions and rural communities and urban settings. What are we going to do with all these data centers? They want to make them bigger. They want to make them more powerful and they're being met with quite a bit of resistance. And in Ohio is leading the charge. Nikki Gerber joins us. Nikki, you are an organizer for the Ohio residents for responsible development and you are not a fan of data centers. Nikki, why, why are you so upset with a room full of computers? Well, the crazy part about was the day before our economic development director came out about it. I lost events because I really wasn't sure anything about data centers and I put it out there on Facebook and people who were against them, like they canceled an event they were supposed to have. And I'm like, really, like I'm just asking for information. And then the very next day, our economic development director went on the local news and said that we're getting a hyper-scaled data center. And at that point, that was February 5th, I learned a lot about data centers and a lot about a lot of things since then. So, yeah, I didn't know how I thought about it because right here where I live in Adams County, Ohio, we had recently put in a order, which was a port along the Ohio River that brought in the super loads that were taking them to New Albany. And that's about all I knew of data centers until, until then. Well, there are currently hundreds of data centers all over the country now already in existence. And then this next generation, they want to make them bigger and more powerful, creating more room, sucking up more energy. And there's been quite a bit of blowback. Nicky, what's your problem? What's your issue with the data centers? Well, right now, they are, we haven't ever, I just want to say everything takes a little bit longer to get the rural Appalachia. So, you know, we've already seen the increase in our electric bills last year. And we didn't even have them here yet. None of us even really knew what they were, you know, and then AEP announced again this year, just like maybe two weeks ago now that we're going to see another 40% increase in our electric bills. And again, they're not even here yet. So the pushback is these data centers are coming in and they're raising all our, we're paying for their infrastructure. They're raising our bills on top of that. Plus, nobody could give us a clear answer on water usage, like our local water company, along with people on the school boards and just different multiple, our county engineer, all signed NDAs. So when we ask our water department, like, well, is there going to be a hydrological study or water studies done? There hasn't been any done yet. He did answer that. And it's, so how do you know if there's not going to be a cone of depression? Because we have a very weak aquifer system here, you know what I mean? And we have a lot of people, this is rural Appalachia America. So a lot of people are still have their own private residential wells. And what's that going to do? And nobody can answer those questions for us. And then you have the Ohio River. And actually, Ohio is a really geologically diverse place. And we have a lot, as far as groundwater, glacial outwash, like there's a lot of water here. And if you overlay the maps on Power By Who, if you overlay the maps with Ohio's groundwater systems and all the aquifers and everything, you see something really amazing there that they're going for all the water. So if they don't consume that much water and they don't need that much water, and it's a new closed loop system, but so then why do they need to be, why do they need to wild, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Why Ohio? And then you ask those questions and nobody can answer those questions for you. So what are you supposed to do? So Nikki Gerber, Ohio is, are you putting together a citizen petition to put it to a statewide ballot to ban data centers in the state of Ohio? We put in a petition for a constitutional amendment in Ohio, okay, to limit data centers to 25 megawatt. Not to ban them completely, but to limit them to 25 megawatts, you know? And, and I don't know, I don't like our whole committee feel like there's five of us and I don't know, well six, because Austin and Carlier won. But you know, like there's plenty of buildings, empty buildings in downtown Cincinnati, Dayton, Toledo, Columbus, Cleveland that can house these, that can house 25 megawatt data centers where infrastructure already in place, it's solving problems, not creating more. We don't need these hyper scale facilities. Like the data center that we're proposed to get is 1300 megawatts. And that is 20 times, 20 times more energy than our whole county uses right now. So, but, but if you, if you build one data center or 13 data centers or 50 data centers, if it's still using the same electricity just in different buildings, you really haven't solved the problem and you're still using the same energy just with different buildings. I don't think they can fit that. I mean, I think people are going to wake up right now. What we need to happen right now is we need a, we need a, so this constant, the constitution and all these signatures for to get this right now, that doesn't, that doesn't stop anything happening. And I've been in New Albany, I went up to testify in House Bill 646 hearing. That was for the data study commission on February 23rd. When we went back to Columbus on April 2nd for the Ohio Ballet Board, we went back to New Albany on that day and a whole new, a building wasn't there on February 23rd. And a whole new building is constructed up there in New Albany. And that was just over a month. So really what we need, like a lot of our representatives have put in for, asked for a statewide moratorium and they said they'd support it, but we really need a like a moratorium in place until the people get a chance to have their voice heard by getting these signatures. Sure. I'm confused. I'm confused. The bill you're pushing would limit them the size and scope, right? Yes. Yes. But the reason you don't want them is you're afraid of the water aquifers and the rivers and the streams being contaminated. No, we're scared of the water consumption, water consumption and contaminated and contaminated and contamination. Okay. So, okay. All right. So hold on a second. So hold on a second. So why are you not worried about the data centers in downtown Dayton or downtown Cincinnati being contaminating the water supply? If you're, I don't want to see any data centers at all. Okay. And that's my question. Okay. So why are you pushing a bill? You know what I mean? There's, we realized that technology still technology and technology needs to advance, but technology needs to advance at a regulatory, you know what I mean? There needs to be some regulations. Yeah, but, but I understand, but I understand. But, but if you're, if you're convinced that the contamination that the water being used in the data center is going to be contaminated, why, why would you write a bill to limit the contaminate? Why wouldn't you just write, I mean, if a nuclear power plant was destroying the rivers, why would you be in favor of a smaller nuclear power plant? Wouldn't you just be against nuclear power plants? Well, the way I take it is that you didn't want to limit progress because you understand that technology needs to advance. You know what I mean? I don't know. I, I don't want to see them at all, but I understand. But there are, sure, there are a large number of data centers now. Are you, are you massive amounts? Yes, there's states. I mean, there's hundreds of them all over. A lot of people don't even know they're, they were living next to them or driving past one or in, in your community. And people don't seem to have a problem living next to those now. So, well, okay. Yeah. And so there is so new Albany. So there's a difference. There's a difference between a campus and a hyperscale. And there's a difference between the ones that are based like, like Columbus has a ton of data centers and the ones in like Hilliard and like, well, really the only one I've seen was Hilliard. And then I know there was others around that area that were similar to that. They do just look like a normal industry building. You know what I mean? Like they don't, they're not that big of a deal. The people in Hilliard and their problems are the backup generators and the get, because they're diesel gas generators that are like right next to residential neighborhoods. That's causing a big problem. But what we are facing down here in Southern Ohio, especially, and a lot of the other areas that have just got into this fight, like Wilmington, Mount Aurob, Pyton, we're facing hyperscale campuses such as new Albany. And that, that's not, that is, look, when we just went back on April 2nd, we only went on one side of the highway interchange. Well, this time we decided, I was like, well, let's go see what's over there. And we went over there and that is where innovative way was. And then you see that sign that says silicone heartland right there. No, this is not silicone heart. You know what I mean? Like this is Ohio and the Ohio river, there's 29. Here's where the water consumption comes into play too, because there is 29 planned data centers for a long, Ohio river. So our commissioner did say that it would use between, but, but, but hold on a second, but hold on a second. If, if, if I don't understand, if you're so against them, I understand you don't want to stop progress, but you're stopping progress, but yet, but yet limiting the contamination. So they, they build smaller data centers along the Ohio river. If you're still worried about contamination, they're going to contaminate them. If you're still worried about, you can keep them. What? We're waking people up right now, though, two to it. And we have a lot of things going in place. And we're starting our own zoning commissions, like our rural townships. So you, so hold on a second. Just hold on. Hold on. So really, when, when you say you don't want to stop progress, that's not necessarily true. You do want to stop progress. You don't want these data centers at all. I don't want these data centers. I mean, they, they say they're going to sell intelligence. You know what I mean? In a couple of years, that's not cool. That's, you don't, our intelligence is our conscious mind. And there's, I don't want to see and tear up anything of this earth either. Like what they're planning on doing out here and what they're planning on destroying. And what are we like? So too many unknowns. McGraw, is your name McGraw? Yes, it is. I'm just trying to understand why you're against it. Are you against it philosophically, because you don't believe artificial intelligence and the technology coming from this is morally acceptable? Or is it the environmental issues? I'm trying to understand why you're against this. As all those issues, it's environmental issues. It's a feature I want for my grandkids. It's robots. It's, there's a lot of different, there's too many unknowns and it's happening too fast. I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I just learned about all this stuff and everything I'm learning. There's nothing good that I'm learning. Well, you know what I mean? Well, I don't, I mean, there's, there's, there's massive amounts of tax revenue with these data centers. They're very, they're getting tax abatement here. So they're not even giving back. Well, hold on a second here. I don't know exactly, but I have seen a lot of these deals. And yes, there are some tax incentives along the way, but those tax incentives don't offset the massive amount of tax benefits these towns are getting. Yes, they are giving some tax benefits away, but there are massive amounts of property taxes, income taxes, not a lot of jobs, which means not a lot of services have to be given. So in a sense, it's a windfall of tax dollars to a community that can help with all the other infrastructure. And you don't have to educate a whole lot of kids because there aren't a whole lot of jobs in a data center, which means that there's not a lot of kids that come with a data center. So the money going to school is going to educate the existing children, not new children who are going to work with the parents who are at the data center. They haven't even offered the school anything yet. And they were working. There's this thing called the TIF that I'm not too familiar with. But the TIF basically gets them around from having to give the school money. And the last, the last deal that came through that we've seen on a public records request, it was a 75% tax abatement for 30 years. How long do these data centers stay commissioned for? And there's no not even a decommissioning plan in place or one's been mentioned at all so far. So then what happens when all, when in 15 years before their tax abatement's gone and it's done, you know what I mean? They're buildings that are just sitting there again, like the old power plants were and stuff, you know, that's not good either. And then you ask about the none of it sounds good at all. None of it. Well, but, but, but Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, you're, it sounds to me like you're only reading one side of the argument. Well, I haven't heard a good side of the argument though. There's massive amounts of tax windfall for this. But there's not if they're getting a 75% tax abatement and they're going around school. Again, I, again, I don't know what particular deal you're talking about, but the data centers, there's one in Kansas city that Facebook just opened up that's got massive tax benefits for the region. There's all sorts of, all of these things come with massive tax benefits for the region. Let me ask you this question, Nikki, because I got to go. Is there a website where people can find out more about your organization in Ohio? Can serve Ohio.com. Nikki Gerber. Thank you very much for your time. Love your passion. And thank you for joining us. Thank you. You got it. Nikki Gerber, co-organizer of the Ohio residents for a responsible development. America at night, back in a moment. America at night with McGraw-Millaven. You're listening to America at night with McGraw-Millaven. Well, looking at the monitors here in the studio, now all four astronauts have been airlifted to the helicopter. Reed Weissman, the mission commander was the last to exit the capital, the capsule, and the last to be airlifted up into the helicopter. And now it is on its way to the USS Mertha, where they will all breathe a giant sigh of relief. Cheers erupted at Mission Control. President Trump celebrated the, watched the landing at the Trump Winery in Charlottesville, Virginia. And he tweeted out on his Truth Social Post, the entire trip was spectacular. The landing was perfect. And we look forward to seeing the crew at the White House soon. He also added, we'll be doing it again. And then next step, Mars. The airmen are now moving to recover the ship from the Pacific Ocean. Pretty extraordinary stuff. Next hour, we are going to be talking more space because quite frankly, I just can't get enough of it. And it seems that it has captivated the nation. We're going to talk to a man who knows quite a bit about the science of all of this and is an expert on the meteors that were hitting the backside of the moon. We'll talk about that coming up next hour. And it is Friday night. That means Theo's here with Hollywood Exec for a day. And then of course, open phones in the last hour, but a historic night, we'll come back and talk more about it as it was a picture perfect landing 10 days after they took off Artemis two lands back, splashes down in the Pacific Ocean as they called it a bullseye landing. Our executive director tonight is Alex Hinton. Our engineer tonight is Richard Good along with Tom DeLach. I'm McGraw-Millhaven and this is America at Night on Westwood One. Westwood One presents America at Night. Here's your host, McGraw-Millhaven. Well, it was a bullseye splashdown is how Mission Control called it about what little less than two hours ago. The Artemis crew is now safely aboard the USS Mertha and they are about to come out of the helicopter. It is nothing short of an extraordinary end to an extraordinary 10 day trip. And we're talking a lot about it tonight. Dr. Bruce Betz is with us. He is the chief scientist and light sail program manager for the Planetary Society. Dr. Bruce, welcome to America at Night. Thank you. It's great to be here. Appreciate it. What are your thoughts as you watch this historic night? Oh, it's exciting, exciting and relieving. A lot of stress with them coming in. And it's good to see them out. And I see on the screen, they've got, as you say, they're just coming out of the helicopters. They look pretty darn happy. I bet they're tired. Why did they pick San Diego? Tell me what's so special about San Diego in this type of operation? I'm my guess, I'm not sure, to be honest, but you probably want to, sort of, equatorially, they could have chosen Florida, but they've got a whole Navy contingent based out of San Diego. And so I'm guessing it tied to that. SpaceX does the Southern California thing as well for Splashdowns. I'm not quite sure. Yeah. You know, you mentioned the Splashdown and you mentioned SpaceX. We haven't done this in 50 some odd years. This Splashdown, right? The space shuttle landed like a plane and SpaceX, sort of, lands a different way. These Splashdowns hasn't happened since we went to the moon. They had, sort of, like the, without humans, they did a Splashdown with Artemis-1 with the Orion capsule. But yeah, basically, that was something we did before and then we did different things that NASA did as well as the Soviets later Russians have always landed in Kazakhstan and the big open land. So it's, it's good to be back in the water. Yeah. Yeah. Dr, you are an expert when it comes to the meteors that and the backside of the moon. I know you haven't seen it all. Maybe you've probably seen more than most of us, but what did you see and what did you think you saw and tell me your thoughts about what we saw on the backside of the moon and what were we hoping to learn? Well, I think probably first and foremost, the thing to keep in mind is this was a test mission of getting humans back to the moon and then what science was able to be done is, is above and beyond that. That's not always how it's pitched, but realistically, we, a lot of the science has been or can be done by robotic space probes. So it's involving humans gets the human aspect that we relate to. It's why we're all so excited right now and a much larger group paying attention to it. But there was science going on. And the thing you mentioned that particularly interested me was that the astronauts reported seeing six meteorite impacts into the moon seen as flashes of light in the night side. So yeah, far side, but this key thing was in the dark when they were in eclipse and having that many particularly really surprised me. But I don't know if it should have because I hadn't thought of it. We've seen splashes. I'm getting myself confused. We've seen flashes on the moon from meteorite impacts, certainly, but to see that many and they're probably witnessing smaller impacts is intriguing. So I look forward to the follow up from that. They also did a lot of imaging, a lot of that. And they cut some unique, particularly from a human perspective, looking things from being far back away from the moon and getting the eclipse from that perspective. But they also collected science. The other key science they do, which is as you implied, not my forte, is they studied the humans. I just find humans confusing, but they studied the human physiology in response to the deep space environment. And particularly, they also had a number of more modern sensors than were used in Apollo to test the radiation environment. Because when you get you get outside the Earth's magnetosphere, the magnetic field around the earth that protects us from high energy charged particles. But that's not true when you're most of the time you're at or going to the moon. So you have even more high speed subatomic particles that come flying in through your spacecraft because they're just that nosy. Because they were on the backside of the moon, and as you said, it was dark, and these meteors were hitting the backside of the moon in that white flash that you saw. We could see that because there wasn't any, right, because it was dark, right? I mean, you wouldn't normally see that in the light of day. Correct. And unless you had a much bigger impact, which observers, excuse me, observers using telescopes on Earth have recorded impacts in the moon, but usually, usually in the night portion. But I believe there have been some in the day portion as well. But much, much more rarely. So that's what's amazing that in a period of minutes to hours, they saw six of these. Yeah. Does the backside of the moon get more meteor hits than the front side of the moon? No, not appreciably. I mean, basically, it should be similar. The large scale, what we see on the near side of the moon is we see more of the maria, the dark areas. And that's not necessarily because the near side was hit by large objects billions of years ago that formed these huge craters that were later filled in by dark volcanic lava like you get in Hawaii. But what may have happened is once you did that and you didn't have as you had, you happen to have more impacts on one side, then that shifted the mass distribution within the moon. So as it's spinning around, it just naturally locks in with the with the Earth facing that particular side towards the Earth. But the far side is interesting because it is different. We're so used to seeing the dark and light areas, and there are very few of the dark areas, the maria on the far side. Dr. Bruce Betz is with us. Let's talk science fiction. You're the light sail program manager for the Planetary Society. What is light sail? Tell us about that. Light sail was a project program that we did with two missions, not surprisingly named light sail one and two. And light sail two, we successfully demonstrated that you could fly a small spacecraft and from it open up a big shiny sail about the size of a boxing ring and the spacecraft was about the size of a loaf of bread. And with that, we were able to actually in Earth orbit, but demonstrate that we were the only propulsion of our spacecraft changing the its orientation, its speed, its altitude was based upon using light to push on it. So solar sail is another, it's a general term for it, using the sun's light to push because oddly enough, light exerts momentum. And so light's pushing on both of us right now, assuming we're not sitting in dark rooms. And but it's such a tiny amount that it's totally ignore, you can ignore it on Earth. But when you get in space in the near vacuum with a big shiny sail and a low mass spacecraft, this without carrying fuel, you can actually maneuver and propel your spacecraft using this tiny push, because unlike the rockets that, for example, they just use Artemis two, it's not a big push, but unlike the rockets, it's constant. You don't have to refuel. So you just keep accelerating over time. The Japanese demonstrated this in 2010 with a much bigger spacecraft, a heavier, less efficient spacecraft. We were trying to demonstrate that with the so called CubeSat small loaf of bread size spacecraft that have gotten very popular in recent years, starting with universities, but now with governments and everything else, that you could actually shove a sail in there, deploy it and control it. And so that was our, by far, our biggest technology project to date. We're still writing things up about it, which is why I keep the title plus, plus I kind of like it. Sure, absolutely. Is that then the beginnings of deep space travel? It's at least the beginning. Yeah, it's people, I would liken it, it's, we're learning to crawl. And so these are, or even just to survive, these are the very first steps. Eventually, you will, we hope this becomes, it's not the answer to every propulsion need, but it's an answer to some. And so we hope to see more of these. And there have been some attempted, but they've failed recently to see them actually be used in the solar system. And then the great, the great dream, the great fantasy is that you actually can accelerate these with giant lasers, and then get them up to a really fast speed, higher than we can think of with anything else, that we have some chance of doing right now, and use it to actually go between the stars in some period of tens of years instead of tens of thousands of years. And so it, it's definitely the science fiction thing that's out there. And in fact, it started in science fiction long before as science fact. And it's, it's an intriguing and nifty thing and very, very elegant. Yeah, we're talking about, we're talking about this because the Artemis crew arrived safely on the ship they landed, they called it a bullseye landing. It was a near flawless mission and everyone's excited talking about space. And we're talking with Dr. Bruce Betts for a couple more minutes. Dr. I, there's apparently a comet that is somewhat close to the sun. Did this crew get a chance to see that comet in a different way because they were up there at this time? I know they were looking and I honestly, I didn't find out if they did. They saw some other neat things like the solar eclipse and seeing the corona or the upper atmosphere of the sun, but I don't know that they saw it. There's actually, there's two comets that have been the last, this month that have been exciting people. One of our grant winners who usually discovers things like near-earth asteroids to protect the earth from impact. And that's why we gave them the grant. They also discovered a comet that was potentially really, really bright, but it got eaten by the sun basically. The sun supplemented, melted it, disintegrated. Now there's another one. Similarly, that they're hoping that it brightens up. It's already getting there. I mean, the trick is they'll say you can see it with the eye, but the comets are very distributed. So it's very hard. So we're not, we're not quite there yet. And it's not, it's not stunning. Don't expect it to, you can use some finder charts online, but don't expect it. Get some binoculars. That's the way to see comets. All right. Fair enough. Dr. Bruce Betz, is the technology available now to go to Mars or is a lot of this still just a pipe dream? We have lots of spacecraft operating at Mars, but the technology to send humans, which I assume what you meant, right? It's no, it's, it's not there. Mars, the moon is a thousand times farther from the earth compared to the international space station. Mars is several hundred times farther than that. And it's a multi-year mission. You have to deal with the radiation issues. It's also the hardest place in the solar system to land because you, it's like the, the inverse goldilocks atmosphere. You, if you have no atmosphere, you can use retro rockets like the moon. If you have lots of atmosphere, you use heat shields and parachutes. It's got a little bit of atmosphere. So you can't effectively use either. So getting a large mass payload, like one that would be able to keep humans alive is a challenge. So it, you know, it's technologically solvable, but it's all really challenging. Interesting. I got about a minute left. Dr. What about in the next 20 years, some type of colony on the moon? A colony, I think probably implies something more than I'm guessing, but I always say I'm, I'm pretty terrible at predicting the future, but the future in space is, for 50 years, they've been predicting colonies on the moon and humans on Mars. And it's just really hard. And it also, it's politically hard because you have to keep the funding going for long periods of time. So I think, I think it's quite likely that you will have people hanging out there permanently or at least rotating, kind of like we do at Antarctica right now. I find it unlikely that in 20 years, you would have something with enough people that you would call it a colony because it's just, we want to believe otherwise, but it's just hard. That's my, my bummer for the day, but my happy news for the day is look at what we just did. Artemis too is pretty darn impressive. It just may not yield colonies or maybe it will because again, I'm often wrong. Dr. Bruce Betz is a chief scientist and light sale program manager for the Planetary Society. Dr. Bruce Betz on a very historic night. Thanks for taking a couple minutes and letting us dream a little bit. Thank you for your time. Thank you so much. Have a good evening. You got it. American night on a historic night. The Artemis crew is back safe and sound on the USS Mertha after a bullseye landing in the Pacific Ocean just off of the coast of San Diego. All good crew reportedly in great shape. America at night back in a moment. From the heart of America, this is America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. America at Night is also a podcast. You can now listen to your favorite episodes wherever podcasts can be found. It is a podcast wherever it can be found. It can also be found coast to coast. Here's a text message for you. I'm in Georgia at the Ranger Competition and I'm listening to your show. Well, hello Georgia and good luck at that Ranger Competition. So there you go. Also, from British Columbia, I'm so very happy for the crew's safety. Yes, there's a lot of big size of relief. Matter of fact, that NASA astronaut who was somewhat worried went public, that Charlie Carmida, the engineer and the former NASA astronaut who had warned against the launching of the Artemis II mission because of the heat shield was quoted as saying, I can breathe now. And he's also looking forward to see the data that was collected on the performance of that heat shield, which protects the spacecraft during the re-entry. So lots of people are breathing a sigh of relief and I don't know about you, but people I knew stopped what they were doing and watched. It was certainly a moment to behold to see the Orion spacecraft separate in space and then they maneuvered it in space, hit the blackout, it went blue and then they picked it up on the cameras as it started to fall through the atmosphere into the sky and then ultimately the splashdown. It was pretty spectacular. Hey, lots more to get to. The astronauts are safe and sound. They'll be holding a news conference and then they're going to be checked and poked and prodded by all the doctors and everybody else. We're going to move on and talk a little Hollywood exec for a day, but we've got open phones next hour. We can talk all about it next hour with open phones and open texts. America at night, still got lots to get to. Stick around. It's going to be a fun night. Theo with Hollywood exec for a day, back in a moment. Coming to you from the heart of the nation, this is America at night with McGraw-Milhaven. Keep going. You're doing it. That's the sound of Sam learning to swim in a Hilton resort pool. That's delicious. And that's the sound of Sam and his family enjoying dinner in the hotel restaurant. With stays in your favorite destinations and everything taken care of, you can savor what's important. When you want your holiday to feel like a holiday, it matters where you stay. Book now at hilton.com. Hilton for the stay. All right. Here are the rules. Theo Lewis Clark is on a secure telephonic line. Are you there? Theo Lewis Clark? Absolutely. Good evening and thanks for joining us. Always. How was your week? It's good. It's time to play Hollywood exec for a day. Here are the rules. Theo Lewis Clark has come up with three movies. Two of them have been greenlit by Hollywood executives, studio executives. People who have greenlit two of these projects. One has come from his creative mind. We have to figure out which one is the fake one and which ones are the real ones. And then we, of course, will play along with the studio audience. And of course, those of you listening at home. So without further ado, Theo Lewis Clark, what are your three movies? Let's get into them. Is it number one? An elderly couple own an apartment building that a developer wants to demolish. When they refuse to sell it to them, it starts to mysteriously start to be vandalized. But tiny mechanical aliens come to their rescue to help them with the repairs and to fight back. Hmm. Interesting. Number two, vampires time travel to the wild, wild west to try to take over a little town. But these ain't no ordinary cowboys. They make for formidable opponents using their rodeo skills and their ability to navigate the terrain. Or is it number three? Aliens resurrect the dead as zombies and vampires in an attempt to stop humanity from creating a Tuesday nuclear weapon. So he's got the elderly couple that own the apartment building and the people want to demolish it. But the little tiny aliens come to the rescue. Or we get the vampires that time travel to the wild, wild west face some cowboys that they weren't ready for. Or we get the aliens resurrecting the dead as zombies and vampires to fight humanity and stop them from creating this big old team stating to clear weapons. Two of them people, two of them are real. Two of them are real. One of them's fake. We have to determine which is real, which is fake. And you can play along at home because Alex has the poll question up. You can text one if you believe the couple with the apartment building and the aliens, if you believe that's fake, you can press one or just text one to one eight four four two Maghra. If you think it's the vampires in the wild west with their rodeo skills, that of course is number two and you type in number two and you type that to one eight four four two six two forty seven twenty nine same number, same number as the same number as the phone call. Or do you think it's the aliens who need help from the zombies and the vampires number three and that of course you can then type in three and text that to that same number one eight four four two Maghra. We'll let you think about it. We'll let you still we'll let the results come in. We have a couple minutes. Theo Lewis Clark, what's your what's your Hollywood movie? What's your deep dive tonight? Well, those three movies were encapsulated properly. The deep dive movie is February 1991 release of Silence of the Lambs. Remember that? Oh, yeah. That's classic. That's now this is one of only three films to win all big five Oscars. The best picture, the best director, the best actor, the best screenplay. What are the other two movies that won all five Oscars? I will tell you it is one of them. It happened one night. Absolutely. And then the other one is a relatively recent one. But it escapes me. What's the relatively recent one? No, one flew over the cuckoo's nest. One flew over the cuckoo's nest. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great movie. That was a great movie. Now speaking of, yeah, it really was. This was Jack Nicholson, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, speaking of best Oscars, so I mean, best actor, Anthony Hopkins appears on screen for how long in total? Oh, I have no idea. What, 10 minutes or something? 16 minutes. 16 minutes. One for the best actor. Yes. I mean, his acting was really, really poignant. And then Jody Foster almost turned it down. And they asked her, please just reread the script. And that's after she reread it, she begged to get back in. She wanted to be clad East. Glad East. And then also, who do you think was going to be Anthony Hopkins before Anthony Hopkins? Who was going to, who was offered the role? Who was offered the role? I don't know. Gene Hackman, God rest his soul, he was set out to direct and star as kind of an elector, but he dropped out because he thought the material was way too disturbing. Well, he was right. Yeah, that was very, listen, I don't watch our films for that reason alone. Yeah, that movie, I think I saw it originally, but I don't think I've seen it since. Yeah, I don't really get into those. I don't like those, you know, crazy psycho. Yeah, no, I can't do it. Yeah, I'm with you. Give me a nice, you know, give me a nice, my fair lady. I don't really know. You know it. Anything else? Anything else about silence of the lambs? No, that's it, man. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Jody Foster has been in some good movies. But yeah, silence of the lambs. I'm with you. That one was a little bit of a creeper. I saw it and no desire to see it again. You don't really see it all that much anymore. You know, it isn't like Shawshank Redemption. That's on every 10 minutes. Yeah. The lambs is not on all these streaming sites. You're right. Yeah. All right. Be cut. It's still disturbing. Yeah. All right. So here's how you play the game, Hollywood exec for a day. Let me get to, let me get to the polling numbers here and see what the audience has lost. No, you had the audience one last week. The audience and Alex one last week. All right. Let's, let's do a recap and we'll go around the room. Give us our options again. Are you at number one? The other week couple, the owner of the apartment building that a developer wants to demolish, when they refuse to sell, it starts to mysteriously be vandalized. But tiny little mechanical aliens come to their rescue to help them with the repairs and to fight back. The next one is vampires time travel to the Wild Wild West to try to take over a little town. But these ain't no ordinary cowboys. They make formidable opponents using their rodeo skills and their ability to navigate the terrain. Or is it number three, aliens resurrect the dead as zombies and vampires in an attempt to stop humanity from creating a Tuesday nuclear weapon? All right, Richard, Richard, what do you got? What do you think? Well, I have to say number two, I can't see vampires in Jordans jeans cowboy boots and cowboy hats. It's just, I can't see it. All right. So you say, you say number two, the Wild West vampires. All right, Alex, what do you say? I'm going to have to go with number three. Call me a horror purist if you want, but zombies and vampires in the same movie ain't no way that's real. Oh, interesting. Oh, nice. Interesting. Now, I live under the philosophy that there are no more vampire movies to be made. You always say that. So in a sense, I think they've already, when you have an Abraham Lincoln vampire movie, you have run out of vampire movies. So I'm going to, I'm going to say number two is a real movie with vampires in the Wild West. And I'm going to say aliens, zombies and vampires was the trilogy. I'm going to say that's a real movie. So I hate to do it for you. But number one is the fake movie with the poor couple with the poor couple in the apartment building that needs aliens to help them out. That is the, that is the false movie. Let's go to the audience. The audience in an overwhelming numbers agrees with number two and Richard being the fake movie. So the audience and Richard number two, the fake movie. What's the answer? Let's start with number three. Aliens resurrect the dead as zombies and vampires in an attempt to stop humanity from creating a Tuesday weapon. Alex, your winning streak ends today. That's a movie called Plan 9 from Outer Space back in 1957. Guess who would start, McGraw? You would know these. I've heard of this movie, Planet. Planet, what's the name of the movie? It's called Plan 9 from Outer Space. That's actually a pretty famous movie. Somebody famous is in that movie. You gave me our Ed Wood and Bella Legosi. Yeah, I've actually saw the movie Ed Wood, which was actually a really good movie. Johnny Depp and the Sarah Jessica Parker. Yeah, that was a really good move. Yeah, it was a black and white movie. And it was about Ed Wood, like the worst director ever. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be McGraw with number one, winning alone, or the audience and the richer. All right. Eldenly couple on an apartment building that a developer wants to demolish when they refuse to sell, starts to mysteriously be vandalized. Tiny mechanical aliens come to their rescue to help them with the repairs and to fight back. McGraw, you lose again. That's a movie called Batteries Not Included, 1987, which means the, and that's got Jessica Tandy. You remember Jessica Tandy. Yeah, didn't I? That's got a bunch of people in that movie, Batteries Not Included. Really, I didn't know the other ones. I wrote down Jessica Tandy. I didn't know the others. I think you might, but that means Richard Wins finally taking first one. Audience wins again. Vampires Time Travel to the Wild West. They're trying to take over a little town, but these ain't the ordinary cowboys. They make performable opponents using rodeo skills and their ability to navigate the terrain. Yeah, I won't win. I don't like that. That's a field world and it's called honorary blood suckers. All right. There you go. Batteries Not Included, Jessica Tandy, Hewn Cronin. Yeah, I think, I think he was married to, I think he was married to Jessica Tandy. They were in the, they were in cocoon together, I believe. I remember cocoon. Yeah. Yeah. So there you go. There you go, Richard. You did win again. Yeah, Richard. Finally won. He won in a week. All right. There you go. That's how you, that's how you play Hollywood exec for a day. There you go. Good, good stuff. All right, Theo O'Spark. Yes. And everybody's going to feel losequagradio.com. Send me your suggestions for your movie, your obscure movie. If you want to make one up, I'll give you your credit and say it's from whatever, whoever in Wisconsin or whatever. There's some ladies that text me too. They're in Columbia, Missouri right now listening. The Flossie Posse and CJ. That's what they say their name is. The Flossie Posse. They have them like some kind of birthday party. They love the show. All right. Thank you so much everybody. I appreciate it. Theo O'Spark, have yourself a good weekend and that's how you play Hollywood exec for a day. Richard, it gets the trophy as well as the audience. It's awful hard to stump the audience. Yeah. So there was a zombie movie that hasn't been made. All right. Wait for it. There's some, someone's going to make a zombie a vampire movie about the wild, wild west and the vampires in it. That's America at Night back in a moment. Live from coast to coast. This is America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. The astronauts are not going to be talking tonight. The astronauts will be talking tomorrow night. Right now though, they're holding a news conference at the Johnson Space Center in Houston and the team is taking questions from reporters as they celebrate this historic return to the crew. Everything was picture perfect. They called it a bullseye landing in the Pacific Ocean just off of the San Diego coast. Couple of headlines. Next hour, we're going to check in with open phones. 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So even though the ceasefire is, uh, in place, it's limited, it's teetering, but, uh, Iran is already not living up to, uh, what the president said was already agreed to. And so there were more ships passing through the straight of Hormuz before the ceasefire. Since the ceasefire, there've been less ships per day crossing through, uh, the straight of Hormuz. So we'll see all that turns out. Also some bad news for Eric Swalwell. You know who he is, the Democratic Congressman from California who announced that he is running for governor of California. The California congressman, the Democrat has now denied accounts published by CNN and the San Francisco Chronicle of some type of sexual assault allegations. Uh, he's faced multiple accusations of sexual misconduct as several staff members quit his campaign for governor and key supporters have abandoned him. The San Francisco Chronicle publishing account today from a woman who was not named, but gave detailed descriptions of several sexual encounters. She said she had with Mr. Swalwell, including two instances in which she said that he had assaulted her when she was too intoxicated to consent. Hours later, CNN published a report with four women accusing him of misconduct and other, uh, range of misconduct allegations, including a former staff member who appeared to be the same person that the San Francisco Chronicle mentioned. Uh, Mr. Swalwell has immediately denied the allegations. There are already calls for him to withdraw from the governor's race. Hmm. That's interesting. Talk about that next hour. Let's go to the text line. Don't forget about the text line. 1-844-TUMIGRAW, 1-844-262-4729. Dan from Winchester, Virginia. Do you really understand how genius Melania's Trump speech was? Now the victims have to come under oath before Congress. Um, you know, we don't know much about her. We do know that she beats to her own drum and she is not a wallflower and from all accounts, she will stand up and tell you what she thinks. So, uh, the fact that she apparently went rogue, maybe went rogue to the White House, really not know what she was doing. I don't know, but, uh, pretty remarkable that she would get up there and bring the Jeffrey Epstein case right back front and center the day after Todd Blanche said there's nothing here and there's no reason to investigate anything. Then the first lady says, oh yes, there is the very next day. Pretty extraordinary news. We can talk about that next hour. Uh, this one's from Wisconsin. You talked about the alignment of New York sports fans. If you were a Yankee fan, you probably supported the giants and the Mets. And if you were a Met fan, you supported the jets. This brings me back to memories of how OTB in New York tried to align with the sports teams. 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The Super Mario Galaxy movie in cinemas now. All right. NASA officials looking forward to more future missions. It's been a historic night because the Artemis two and the Orion spacecraft touched down in the Pacific in San Diego, just off the coast of San Diego. And it has been nothing short of a really exciting night. Watched it with the little one and she got caught up in it asking a bunch of questions. It was really quite amazing. I don't know if it was as amazing as watching Neil Armstrong walk on the moon, but it's still pretty neat nonetheless. And to see, I mean, we just, we become so blasé to these things. We saw a spacecraft circle around the moon, being back HD video of the moon. And then we watched it land in the Pacific Ocean. We think about that for a second. That's amazing. Did you ever stop and just think about technology like that? Like this is, this is what we're doing. We can sit at our computer at our house or on our phone and we can look and see how many tankers are sitting in the street of our moves, not moving. Think about that. Think about that for a second. I mean, they used to send a letter out on a ship overseas and it would take weeks to get there. Then they would read the letter that then they'd write one back and it'd be weeks to get better be weeks before you got a response to your letter. Now we can instantaneously look at whether or not there are ships that are traveling and traversing through the street of our moves. Pretty, pretty amazing when you get right down to it. Okay. So here are the phone numbers. 1-844-2-Migrat, 1-844-262-4729. I have to start tonight with an apology from last night's open phones show. Last night's open phones was, it was great on lots of levels. And we had pros, cons, people calling up, people talking and it was, I tried to get in as many calls as possible. I tried to shut up and let people talk for as long as possible. And at the end of the show, I was a little disheartened, I guess, because it turned into a love Trump, hate Trump. And I think I said at the end of the show that I don't want this to turn into something like that. And I thought about those comments after I went to bed last night. And one of the textures called me out and said, oh, you're going to, you're going to now tell us what we can and can't say. And you know what? The texture was right. We did have a topic earlier in the show about Trump. And he's a topic of conversation. And if you guys wanted to call up and say you loved him or say you had a change of heart or whatever, you know, I, I, I don't necessarily want to do it every night, but I, you know, I invited it. And I should have, you know, been a little more receptive to the audience, I guess, last night. And so I felt bad. And so I just wanted to apologize and say, because I do, I, in my own head, I recapped the show and think about the good things, the bad things, the thing I want to do, the things I should have done. It's live radio. So, you can't always get it right. You have to make a million split decisions in a matter of moments. And so you certainly, you know, sometimes, you know, you trust your instincts. And sometimes it's right. Sometimes it's wrong. And so I, I apologize. And I don't want to, I understand it's a very volatile topic. I understand people are very passionate about it. I love the passion. I love the volatility. And so I don't want to curtail that. I want to get out of the way and let it, let this place to be a place where people feel comfortable telling me what they truly feel. So I'll try and do better. How about that? 18442 McGraw, 18442, 6247, 29, text line is open. We've also got the open phones. So without further ado, let's go to Robert in New Haven. Robert, welcome to America at night. Oh, yes. Hello. Thank you as always for picking up my call. But here's a question and I already Googled it. Is the straight up or moose, it is straight up or moose in international waters. In a quarter of Google, it is not. That's interesting because it's 20 at its, at its, and I'm doing this from memory since you Google, tell me how close slides and everything else. Well, right. Well, right. Because it's at its, at its shortest with it's 21 miles, right. And 12 miles, sand bars, sand bars and everything. I like that the globe, but if you Google it's interesting. So even if Trump says, Hey, jokingly, this is facetious that the earth is flat and Marco Rubio says it's not. Where the hell is Marco Rubio? He did it. Well, if you know that is the question, where is Marco Rubio? He is nowhere to be found in this. That's, I mean, he is, where's Waldo? Where is Marco Rubio in all of this? I know Iran wanted some higher profile than the secretary of state. So that's why JD Vance is going maybe. But back to the straight up or moose for a second. It's, it's 21 miles, 12 miles equals international waters, right? And so that's, that's sort of, right. That's sort of what's international waters there. But I was reading earlier that according to maritime law, Iran should not be able to, should not be allowed to a lot of, according to maritime law, should not be allowed to put a tariff on boats going through the straight up hormones. Now, what does that mean? Well, that was before everything was established. I mean, we have tolls for Massachusetts highways. I understand that. But apparently, according to maritime law or whatever the laws of the high seas, they, there's no law. There's no history. There's, there's no precedent to where Iran should be allowed to have a tariff or some type of toll to go through the straight up for moose. It should be international waters in a sense that it is free to, it is free to traverse. Now, with that being said, they're not very good international partners and or a functioning society that wants to join in with, with the rest of the world. So that's where we get our problems. Well, the law is the law. And technically, if you really look, it's theoretically not international waters until they get 30 miles from that little breach. And you know, I could be wrong, but uh, and uh, the reason why Rubio is gone, the internet's never wrong. What are you talking about? Oh, so it's never wrong either. Nobody's wrong. Everybody's perfect. I'm not perfect. I'm only joking. I appreciate you picking up the call in the humor instead of, you know, banging the desk and you got to light things up, you know, but uh, but Rubio is seriously going to be our next president. He watched nothing to do with this debacle. And he thinks in a way, you know, with the DB, the JD fans, duds, I'm only kidding. That's a joke. Take it easy. It lets the world entice and see what Trump does. All right. Yeah, yeah, I would charge. All right. Thank you, Robert. Thank you, Robert. Thanks for the phone call. Yeah, that's a great question. Where is Marco Rubio? Now he was, he was involved with the Ukraine, Russia negotiations. Um, he was involved with this kind of, I don't know. That's a mystery. Is he, did he sideline himself or did Trump sideline him or was he the voice to say no? And now that they're in, I don't know, Trump has got himself in a pickle. Uh, I don't think anybody wants to see this go on any longer. So, um, you know, going longer means troops going longer. How much more how much more can they bomb it into the stone age and doesn't matter how much they, they, they bomb it into the stone age or the ice age. They still can't open up the other straight and form moves. So to do that, you're going to need, um, more firepower, more troops. I don't think anybody wants that. So, uh, you, you don't want to escalate it, but you can't, you can't de-escalate you can't de-escalate it because it doesn't have any un-negotiating power in a sense. They've already been decimated. So they don't really care about their, their people. So they're going to sit there and just, uh, you know, um, just sort of, uh, sit there and not negotiate and cause trouble and demand unreasonable things. So we'll wait and see how this whole thing turns out. Uh, look, we got a couple more phone calls. I want to take a break. I don't want to be tied up on that bottom of the hour break. One eight four, four, two McGraw one eight four, four, two, six, two, 47, 29 text lines open phone lines open Tim in Washington, Catherine in Vancouver. We got a couple more lines open for you guys. Hang tight. More in a moment. America at night. Call now. 844-262-4729. That's 844-2 McGraw. The text line is open. Send us a message at 844-2 McGraw. That's 844-262-4729. All right. Let's go back to the phones here. One eight four, four, two McGraw. Just like the lady said, uh, Tim in, uh, Washington, Tim, welcome to America at night. Thank you. Hey, I, I have no problem with how you closed the other night with, uh, the political deal, whether people were for against Trump. I think that's a big problem. Uh, people are getting too radical on both sides of it. And I don't think you want your show to turn into people calling up and ragging on how bad he is or how, how great he is. Uh, I have, so if you got blowback and if you're making that statement, I'm just saying you, you give a pretty good pushback on any point of view. So if, if they're going to call in, let them call in. Well, I was thinking about, yeah, I was thinking about this. Um, and I, you know, I don't mind people calling in every night. I mean, that's sort of the, the sort of community or building. Um, but I maybe don't call in on the same topic every night, right? Change it up a little bit. Uh, don't be a one trick, trick pony, but I, it, one of the conversations earlier in the show was about Donald Trump. So I just felt a little bad that I had brought up the topic and somebody had called up and made some comments. And then it sort of snowballed and I, you know, it's, it's live radio things happen. I wish I would have handled it a little differently. That's all, that's all I was just, just trying to say, just, just trying to be an honest, you know, an honest talk show host and telling you what I thought that was all, but I appreciate your, your phone call. Yeah, we don't, we don't agree a lot McGraw, but you do a pretty good job. And I don't think you owed an apology. I mean, I don't think, and, and I understand where you want to turn the program away from these people. I hate Donald Trump. I love Donald Trump, whatever. And I'm neither one of those. Right. Uh, just saying, I don't think you needed to apologize. Well, Tim, Tim, we disagree again, because I think we did need to apologize. So we can't even agree on whether or not I should have apologized. Well, I'm not apologetic about that. Tim, thanks for the phone call. Have a good weekend. It's got a Tyson in St. Louis Tyson. Welcome to America at night. Hey, McGraw. I was going to call and say kudos on your opening monologue this hour with the apology. Well, there you go. So can't please everybody. It is a national show and Trump is the uh, prominent figure in the nation that everybody's talking about all the time. So he's the elephant in the room. Yeah. No, he's the elephant in the room. Yeah. So I just want to talk about these facts instead of Trump. My understanding is that Iran has 900 pounds of enriched uranium at 60%. And that's the final step before making a nuclear weapon. And there's no other reason to have uranium enriched at 60%. So if we agree, they shouldn't have a nuclear weapon. Shouldn't we go get that uranium? A lot of people are saying that. A lot of people are saying that Trump is saying it's buried so beneath the mountain that it's going to take a while for them to get it. So I mean, he's they've, they've said everything. They said total regime change. They've said unconditional surrender. They said, let's just leave it there. You know, last time they had a bombing run and they destroyed it forever. Now they're back six months later. So they, they've said everything. But to go and get it, the experts are going to tell you that it is going to cost you some treasure. It's going to cost you some lives and it's going to cost you some time. And how long and how much are we going to spend and how long are we going to put up with it and how many soldiers and Americans are going to die trying to get this uranium? I agree. It would definitely be a high cost. If we look at it from Iran's perspective, we're going to attack them because they don't have a nuclear weapon and we don't want them to have one. But if they can give one, we won't attack them anymore. Well, look, this is also coming dangerously close to Iraqi have weapons of mass destruction, right? And then we have to go in because they used it before they'll use it again. And no, they don't. Yes, they do. And we go in and they didn't have anything. And we spent 10 years there looking for it and never found it. And that that debacle, right? We went into Vietnam. Why? Oh, the Domino theory. If if one turns communist, they'll all turn communist. And then and then they'll be they'll be running down Main Street in Russia will be owning our country. We have to stop them in Vietnam. So this is now what the third time in the last 50 years that we've claimed that we have to go do this. And each time after it's the smokes cleared, there's been all sorts of questions about were they ever really going to do anything? So I don't know the answer to this. That's a really good point. I'll have to do some more research because I know that the UN was going into Iran to inspect their uranium because of the Obama deal. I wonder if they're the ones that said they had this uranium or if we're just making it up? Well, I mean, I think it's I think it's well established that they've had some enriched uranium, not enough. But they were in the process of creating it. And they buried it and they made it hard. But they're also playing a cat and mouse game. Right. And I don't think anybody wants a nuclear Iran, but we have a nuclear North Korea. But the question is how we had them in a box in a sense. It certainly wasn't perfect. But now I think if you were to talk to Trump, he would take that deal in a heartbeat. If you were truly talking to Trump, he'd take Obama's deal in a heartbeat right now, wouldn't he? I think he probably would. And your point about North Korea is kind of what I'm getting at with Iran. We're not going to attack North Korea now because they have it. Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Tyson, thanks for calling. Have a good day. All right, we're just getting started. 18442 McGraw 18442 6247 29 America at night open phones, more phone calls, more text messages straight ahead. Back in a moment. You're listening to America at Night with McGraw-Millhaven. Yeah. At EDF, we don't just encourage you to use less electricity. We actually reward you for it. That's why when you use less during peak times on weekdays, we give you free electricity on Sundays. How you use it is up to you. EDF change is in our power. Wow. The floor is yours. Call or text 844-262-4729. That's 8442 McGraw. Yeah. You betcha. A couple of lines open for you. Text line is Rock and Roll. We'll get to that here in a bit. Catherine in Vancouver. Thanks for holding on. Welcome to America at Night. Oh, hi, McGraw. I wanted to let you know that I heard an interview on the radio decades ago when Ted Bundy was executed and he allowed James Dobson, which was he used to lead up, focus on the family. Yeah. Yeah. And I heard that full interview and he allowed him to interview him the night before he was executed. So he admitted and came straight out and said it was definitely pornography that let him down the road he went down. And it was ever since he was a little then he would find in the trash cans in the back alleys of pornography. And he said, I agree from there. And he totally came clean with God and he was, he was at peace that he was going to pay his debt to society for what he had done. And yeah, it was a really, really good interview. I suspect it was. That's interesting that James Dobson would go and do that interview. But look, Catherine, the truth is, is that, you know, Ted Bundy serial killer, he might say that that's where his, you know, bad behavior started. But the truth is you just named the same experience for about 200 million boys that that's that's how almost every single young boy found out about pornography or something coming home from the bus coming home from school, somebody's older brother come over to my dad's house, let me show you that's how I that was the first playboy I ever saw. I was in, you know, that's a really good point. That's awesome point because he made it that he he fed into this all the years and it grew. And he yeah, yeah, I mean, every boy, every boy sees sees playboy like that. One of them grows up to be Ted Bundy. Is it really pornography fault? I'm not trying to somehow advocate for, for, you know, nudie magazines. I'm just saying that I take when people say things like that, I always take it with a little bit grain of salt, you know, my and I don't I the last thing I need I mean to do is to demean somebody who went through a difficult time or who had a rough upbringing or who was abused or anything like that. But there are all sorts of people who are abused who have to go through terrible things and they lead wonderful lives. Right. And so no, no, no, no, I understand that I'm not talking about Ted Bundy. I'm talking about people in general. Right. I mean, there are people who have had terrible things done to them as children and have gone to lead very productive lives. And there are other people who've had terrible things happen to them as children and use that as an excuse for never getting off the couch. And that's what I'm saying. Right. And so there are people use it as an excuse. Some people use it as a crutch. Some people use it as motivation. And I understand not everyone's stories the same and others, you know, there's some people who can handle tougher times than others. And I'm not trying to disparage somebody who's had a tough time because they've been abused or anything like that. I'm just saying that when Ted Bundy says something like that, I take it with a little bit of a grain of salt. That's all. He admitted he was raised in a perfect home. He had nothing to complain about. Yeah. He said he was raised by Christian family. There's nothing. And he took total ownership of everything. Yeah. Well, good for him. It was good. Okay. Katharine. Thanks. Thanks for the phone call. The first time I ever saw a playboy, I was third grade, third grade coming home from the bus, got off at the bus stop. And one of the other kids says, Hey, I know where there's a playboy. You want to come see? And I was like, sure. I didn't really had, I had no idea what this guy was talking about. And we walked. It was, they were like building the subdivision in the neighborhood. And there was a whole bunch of construction pipes and wood and plywood and things like that. And hidden in one of the tubes or hidden under one of the vests, he pulls out this magazine and there's a bunch of girls. And I was like, Whoa. And growing up with a bunch of women, a single mom and a bunch of women. And yeah, it was, I kind of remember. I remember, yeah, I remember thinking like, Whoa, that's, I shouldn't be looking at this. But, but I didn't go home and tell my mother. I kept it to myself. Because I think if I would have told her, I think I would have gotten the belt to be honest with you, even though I was an innocent bystander in the whole thing. But no, I think that I think I would have, I think I would have kept my, my mouth quiet. Another story breaking tonight, not that we don't have enough stories already. We've got the Artemis two landing safely. We've got the talks with JD Vance. And now we've got the news that Eric Swalwell, Democratic Congressman is accused of one, the San Francisco Chronicle is accusing him. And then CNN is accusing him of women coming forward. Oh, they're not accusing him. They're reporting, I should, should say that multiple accusations of sexual misconduct by a number of different women within his campaign. He is, you've seen him. He's one of the, what TV Congressman, he's always on TV. He's always on MSNBC, though he used to be. He's a Congressman and very anti-Trump, very bombastic, very in your face. Probably one of the most dangerous places in Washington is between Eric Swalwell and a microphone. And he decided he was going to run, he ran for president for like two minutes. And now he's going to run for governor, right? Newsom is now term limited out. And so Eric Swalwell is going to run for governor. Who knows what's going to happen after this San Francisco Chronicle story. They published an account of a woman not named, but, but gave detailed descriptions of several sexual encounters. Hours later, CNN reported four women accusing him of a range of misconduct, including a former staff member who appears to be the same person that the Houston that the Houston Chronicle, that the San Francisco Chronicle made. Swalwell, the, the allegation says that Swalwell touched her on her thigh, tried to kiss her in the booth of a bar before bringing her to his hotel room. And from two women who said that he had sent them unsolicited photos of his, of his, shall we say, unmentionables. Swalwell has immediately denied the allegations. Now, do I believe this? Yes, I do. Yes, I do. Totally. Guilty as charged. He denies it. Okay, fine. He says the allegations are false and they come on the eve of an election against the front runner for governor. He says for nearly 20 years, I've served the public as a prosecutor and as a congressman and I've always protected women. I will defend myself with the facts and where necessary bring legal action. Now, that's the San Francisco Chronicle and that's CNN. Now, I'm guilty of believing mainstream media. Totally guilty. Does that make me a liberal? Does that make me a conservative? I don't know. But if this were allegations of a Republican congressman, yeah, I'd believe them. I'd believe the allegations. I'd believe the reporting. I believe that San Francisco Chronicle and CNN fact double check triple check, they're not going to go out with something like this unless they've got some type of credible evidence of these women who go on the record. And are there women who make up these allegations? Yeah, once in a while, but the overwhelming majority of women, I don't know the number, but it's the overwhelming majority of women would never put themselves through something like this because they were getting paid or something along those lines. So when they're allegations against elected officials, I'm just, I'm just telling you my bias. I'm telling you my agenda. I believe them. And what's so funny is I've been in talk radio for 30 years now. And when an allegation comes out of a Republican candidate, politician, elected official, um, for those who support and voted for that elected official, don't believe the allegations. Oh, it was in the New York times, of course, no one believes in the New York times, right? But if it's an allegation in the New York times about a candidate or a political operative or a political person that they disagree with, Oh, well, I was in the New York times. I mean, even the New York times calls the guy out. So he's got to be guilty, right? It's so hilarious to me that people love to pick and choose the facts to supplement their argument. Right. So I'm sure there are a bunch of Democrats out there who are saying, Oh no, the clearly this, this, this guy didn't do. Oh no, no, no, this is some, this is some Republican dirty tricks campaign to get this guy. Right. I believe him. I believe the women. Sorry. Guilty as charged. So you call me a liberal, call me a conservative, but hopefully I'm here long enough to the next time there's an allegation of a Republican from a mainstream media outlet that reports it. And I say, yeah, I believe the women. And then I get, I get called liberal or, you know, nut job or right. Just remember that I'm, my bias is in, I believe the women. And I don't pick and choose, right? You either have to believe them all or you have to believe none of them. Cause I'd never met one Republican who did not. Um, I never met one a Republican who believed Bill Clinton. Right. Never met one a Republican that somehow believed John Edwards was innocent. And for that matter, I never met, uh, one Republican who really thought that Donald Trump gave a, um, hush money check written on the resolute desk to stormy Daniels. Right. So you, you pick and choose the facts you want to believe to supplement your argument. That's all. So there is a little bit of hypocrisy going on. Paul in Ohio. Welcome to American night. Thanks for joining us. Hey, good evening, girl. What's the Judy Foster wasn't Judy Foster in the bad news bears? I think he foster was in the bad news bears. Yeah. And then the guy that tried to assassinate Ronald Reagan, he had an obsession with her. Right. Uh, Hank Lee, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Hank Lee. So yeah. Oh, I just found, you know, I love listening to your show. Um, the, the Friday night deal where you guys talk about these movies. I had number one and I was calling. Which one was it McGraw? I don't know. You want me to, you want me to tell you what it was? Yeah. What was the, the one that was not true. Yeah. Uh, the vampire, the vampires in the wild west with the rodeo skills. That was the fake movie. Was that one two or three? That was two. Oh, I missed it. All right. If you're listening, an hour behind, I give you the answer at the end of the segment. Well, I was trying to call you. So I have to, you know, turn my radio down, turn my TV down, do all that stuff. Anyway. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Well, girl. But I thought that that's what happened with the Jodi Foster. She, she, she, um, actually, um, was a very, uh, well-known childhood actors, you know, from what I couldn't remember. Yes. Yes. Way back. I want us, I want to say she was also in the partridge family too for a couple of quick moments. Oh, I remember the partridge family, but I can't remember exactly, you know, David, um, who was David? Yeah. David Casablanca. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jodi Foster, um, I think was in, um, partridge family, but then she was in Taxi Driver, right? That was her big movie. That was her big breakout. Um, and then, um, uh, she was in the accused and then she was in Silence of the Lambs. I think she's won, she won two Academy Awards. Um, yeah, she was in Panic Room, but I personally, personally, my favorite movie she was in was the movie Contact. Did you ever see the movie Contact? Oh yeah. Yeah. The movie Contact. I think I just watched it once. Yeah. Oh my goodness. I think that is one of the best movies ever made. Um, well, it's, it is a, it is, uh, it is Robert Zemeckis and it's dedicated to Carl Sagan. And apparently he wrote the book and he sort of created this, this fictional world where aliens come and, um, you know, make contact with Earth. And, but, but the way he writes it, it's, it's all, it isn't like science fiction like George Lucas did in Star Wars. It's like modern day America. And what would happen if aliens make contact with America and it is grounded in like reality, right? All of those things could actually happen. So I thought Contact was, right? It took the best of science fiction and the best of like modern day, you know, twisting it into like what would happen if. And, uh, I thought Contact was one of the best movies ever made. Still to this day stands the other test of time. Paul, I got to run. Thanks for calling. Appreciate it. You betcha. You got it. Yeah. Jody Foster in the contact. I think Contact and I'm not a big sci-fi guy, but Contact is, it's a young Matthew McConaughey, um, Rob Lowe, Tom Scarrett. Uh, who else is in, um, who else is in contact? Who's the other guy? James Woods. Yeah. No, that's a, um, that's a keeper. If you're looking for a good, uh, Tom Scarrett's in it. Yeah. If, if you're looking for a good science movie this weekend, we'll come back and give it, give you a couple more, but Contact, you can't do wrong with Contact. America at Night back in a moment. All right. Hey, we're going to finish things up, but we're going to finish with a correction. Paul, we hate to tell you our crack staff here at, uh, Westwood one and America at night did a little research. Tatum O'Neill was in bad news bears. We are sorry. I should have caught that. I apologize, but I was right. Jody Foster was in the Partridge family. The 1973 season, she was on three episodes. She played Julie Lawrence and she developed a crush on Danny Bonaducci, AKA Danny Partridge. And if you remember the famous scene, it culminated where she punched him in the eye, which seems like a lot of people punched Danny Bonaducci in the eye throughout the years. I guess the first one was Jody Foster. So there you go. There is, uh, there's your brush with greatness. So Paul, I apologize. It was Tatum O'Neill in bad news bears. Still a great movie. Uh, Walter Mathfowl at his finest, Jack Hanley. Remember him? Jack, Jack Hanley, Jack Hanley, right? That guy. Um, he played the, the tough brooding guy in the motorcycle with the great arm. I love, I love bad news bears. That is bears was great. I didn't see the remake, but I did see the one when they played in the astrodome, Bob Watson coming out chanting, let them play greatest Hollywood movies ever. All right. Music says we're done. I'm going to Duke Zebra. How about that? Let's go meet up at Duke Zebra and continue the conversation. Thanks for a great week, everybody. A historic night. We experience it together. The landing of the Artemis two and the Orion spacecraft. Our executive director is Alex Hinton tonight. Our engineer is Richard Good along with our substitute engineer, Tom Delac. I'm a grime meal haven. This is America at night. Have a great weekend, everybody. This security program on spreadsheets, new regulations piling up and audit dread. It's time for Vanta. Vanta automate security and compliance brings evidence into one place and cuts audit prep by 82% less manual work, clearer visibility, faster deals, zero chaos, call it compliance or call it calm clients. Get it. 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