Wallo267 on Prison, Freedom & Owning Your Choices | NXT Chapter with T.D. Jakes

The most scariest day of prison is the day they let you go. Hey everybody, what's up? I'm excited to have this opportunity to welcome you to my next chapter podcast. It is life-changing, powerful, mind-renewing, thirst-crunching, and able to fulfill a void in your life. So listen up, I've got a very special guest for you today. He goes by WALO 267. Now 267 was his number when he was in prison, and he's got a story to tell that will bring you out of jail. Today's guest is living proof that no matter where you start, you can rewrite your story. Wallace Peoples better known to millions as WALO 267. He's an entrepreneur, social influencer, activist, and he's a New York Times best-selling author who uses his platform to empower students and challenge all of us to aim a little bit higher. We'll explore what redemption really looks like, the discipline it takes to rebuild your life, and the faith that keeps him moving forward. Chapter 1. Big Dreams. How does that feel to go from the little boy that you were, and all that you went through to come to the point that you are meeting people that you never would have met in your life? You know, what's crazy is that I feel as though I always thought I was on TV my whole life, because growing up in the cities of Philadelphia, I was always acting. And when I say acting, I'm talking about some, I was acting like I wasn't in pain. I was acting like I was happy. I was acting like I wasn't hungry. You know, I was always acting, so I always thought I was on TV anyway, and I always had humor. I always was funny. So I thought I was on TV all day, every day. My mom and me, my grandma and my aunt were like, that boy, it was crazy. It was always like, you got to act like everything was alright when I was growing up in the 80s in Philadelphia. You had to figure out a way you had to have an unbelievable imagination. The basically, the fortified of pain. When you talk about the pain, then we all have experience. So that's not you need to tell you what you want to do. Every functional family has some dysfunction, and every dysfunctional family has some functional. They wouldn't be together. How would you describe your family and its impact on your childhood? My family was, I had so many different moving parts in my family, because my grandma was just like, nanny, lowest people, she was like, she's like the strongest person that I have a met in the history of life. Had wisdom. She just was wise in so many different ways. My mom was always on point, my uncle, my aunt Ruby. I think we had so many, every, every different, the issues that families have, we had them all. We wasn't perfect. Nobody was perfect. Nobody pretends to be perfect. Everybody was, everybody just was trying to make it to the more. No matter how it was. It shaped me so much because I just seen a resilience and my grandma, my mom, just my family, and it showed me no matter what you're going through, tomorrow's going to be better than yesterday. Amazing thing about that. You said just trying to make it through the day. Yet on the other hand, your new book that has just been released, it's all about intention. The book is gold, armed with good intentions. When I think of intentions, I think of goals, I think of strategy, I think of a dream. So when you were down there in the pits of depravity in some ways, and I know that there are beautiful parts, even in the most depravity situation, was there some little spark of a dream inside of you even when things were going adversely? Yeah, I always, because I always, the spark was always that I always thought I was like going to do something. I didn't know what it was, but just like wherever I'd be in my Uncle Rum, Rest in Peace and Uncle Thomas, I'd be in his room listening to the A-Tracks, he listened to other albums of Red Fox and Eddie Murphy knowing I wasn't supposed to be listening to it, but that was the spark. I loved it. I'm like, and I always, I just knew, I don't know, I would act out, I would recycle the stuff, and there was like the happy moments. The happiest moments was, in the cities of America, to me, some of the happiest moments was, we didn't have enough of them, but we had everything because we had each other, wherever it was the block party, me going dancing, eating food from anybody in the neighborhood, and then the down moment was that A-body, every older person in the neighborhood with my behind before, because you know, that's how the neighborhood was. I just go down to A, I always was doing something, I just nanny in them, my mom gave me the permission to do what that, that's how I was back in the day, but it was like, it was this happiness when we didn't have a lot, but it was the spark all the time, every time, at the school you play, it was like how we were sharing with each other in the community, you know, nanny needed some sugar, some flour, we go next door, some bread, whatever, Mr. Johnson corner store, it was just like, it was always sparks of like, damn, I'm doing good. I kind of relate to that because what you call sparks, I call glimpses, as a little boy I used to travel with my mother to go here her sweet, and at about eight years old, she was driving somewhere, and I said right now, I'm going to hear you speak, and they call me Mr. Exxon, but the time will come, you'll go to hear me speak, and they'll call you Tom Jax's mother, glimpses, just a- What did she say? What did your mom say though? She believed it. Okay. See, that's the crazy thing about it. That's what she and your nanny had in common, is that she believed it. And in raising my own children many times, I put them in situations where they had to stand and perform. My youngest son in particular told me, I had him on the red carpet after a national election, presidential election, to go down the carpet, shaking hands, and answering questions. He was about 11. I said, I said, don't you embarrass me. Let's go. He told me later when he got older, he said, I did it because you believed that could. Having someone to believe you can has everything to do with your life. But to those of you who are listening, this is not a parallel line, it's not a line that doesn't have discrepancies. This young man has been in juvenile detention centers starting at 13. No, at 11. 11. 11. 11 years old. And juvenile detention center ended out back and forth up and down. One of the things and then ended up in maximum security prison. Chapter two, life behind bars. Question is, why wasn't there anything in our juvenile detention center that deterred you going to prison? It was home. It was a new form of home. For me personally, I spent more time on 46 right now and incarcerated in my life than I had free on the outside. I did five years in the juvenile in 20 years in the penitentiary and I'm only 46. So most of my time it became, it was like, alright, when I get locked up as a juvenile, I go there and my brown going to be there. She's going to be like, boy, what is your going back here? She's going to make sure I got all my underclothes, my snacks and all that stuff. I'm going to go to the U-study center. I'm going to go to court, go back and forth with the judge, probation officer. They going to send me to another juvenile facility. He was going to be like a baby college. You can play baseball, you can play sports. It wasn't nothing. It wasn't not just nothing to scare me. It just was like, it didn't do none for nobody because when we graduated, I had a graduating class in a juvenile facility. We all met up in the penitentiary together. So it's not put together sometimes really to help. But just a system there you go. You can leave if you want. You can run. You can use drugs. You can sell drugs. It wasn't in those real-life structures put in place for growth, for the teaching responsibility, accountability. We didn't have that type of stuff. There's still a lot of people don't understand that. They think that it's rehabilitative, that it's designed to deter the young person from going further, but that's not true. I always looked at the criminal justice system as a business. What business do you know that don't want the customers to come back? Why would we not want you to come back? Because when you look at the juvenile facility, it's hundreds of kids to how many staff members? Like how can you really be effective? Well, there's a whole economic system. Not only is some prisons on the stock market, but there are some cities that are built around prisons. It provide jobs in the cooks and the chefs and the janitors and the security guards. They have to go to the grocery store. They have to go to the cleaners. A little by little, the world begins to build itself around it. The thing that holds that town together is the incarceration system. One of the things that fascinated me when you first went in to a real prison. And you talked about the fear. What did that feel like? It was like it was like to be able to, do you need any water? That's some water, you know. Are you cool? All right. The fear was like, it was some like, some like, undescribable. Because I was educated two ways. I was educated on prison through the tele vision, through Hollywood. So it was so scary going into it. I'm thinking, to be straight away, I'm thinking number one, somebody going to rape me. I'm thinking I'm had to defend myself in a way where I might not get out of jail because I might got to stabs, I might kill somebody. Whatever, you know. So you think I'm just realistic about it. I wasn't you know how some people will show you that I didn't have none of that tough. That was not even in my mind to be tough. You can't be tough in the police where they ain't no weapons and like, well it's weapons but they ain't no guns. So I'm just like, I'm scared to death. When you say scared, bring it fear and scared our words that mean different things to different people. Give it, bring it further down. Heart racing, sweating, all of it. Nervous shaking, all of it. Take me there. Because when I get into the, once the gate come down, I go into a place called Greatest Four of Fruits. This is the largest prison in Pennsylvania at the time. And the gate going out. Boom, you get a gate slam. You get off the bus. You got to shackle up, take the shackles off. And it was his, it was his CEO name will. And he used to be highling. Get neck it. You tell you getting that he was getting that. Come on. And you get your cup. You put the wash yourself so the lights come off for you and all that type of stuff. Put your clothes on. When I put my clothes on, is this lady you got to go see? At the time, I'm still a Jew and I'm 17. I didn't turn 18 yet because I got certified as a adult. So when I walk around to the room with the lady there, she could talk to me, right? She like, yeah, in place of emergency where you want your body sent. I freeze up. She peep it. And I guess she's looking at my paperwork to see that I'm still like a minor, even though certified as a adult and then the whole mother in her come. She started, she started dealing with me in a different, oh baby, no, like, you know, if something happened, like you need some, you get sick, you need some calls, she rephrased our whole energy change. But I was already done. Yeah. I was already like, I was already like, huh? As if it's like, no, but she tried to calm me down, but I heard it already. And it's just like, at that moment, I just, you just keep hearing the sounds, doors slamming, handcuffs, keys, you just hear keys. It's like this, it's like the soundtrack to madness. It never stopped. So as I get my box and walking to that room, waiting in the holding cell, and I'm like, I'm just like, and they call us, they're like, because I had to go to the hole, which is sort of like, which is protective custody, because I ain't turned 18 yet. So they got to put us in the cup by the guy. So as I'm ramming my box, I go these steps, we walking down the hallway. And as we walking to the hallway, it's this big yard. They're like multiple football fields. And you see these dudes coming down, the walking down the hallway, dudes look like, look like giants. So I'm like, oh man, they're just fresh, man. And I see it from the distance. And I'm just, I want to look, I'm looking down. We got to walk out to the hole, because the hole was like near death row. And it's like a whole disaster. We should be able to go there. And I just remember that night crying, like, because I was crying because I was like, I just, I just wanted to go home. Yeah. I wanted to go home. I wanted to be my, I just wanted to do anything right at that moment that I never did right. And I was just like, I went into San Quentin to preach a three day revival. I knew I was going to get out of there. I knew I was. But it's not just one door slamming. There's another gate in front of you, and that you go to that and that door slams. And then you go a little further and that door slams. And all of a sudden you realize that you have lost all control over when you eat, when you shower, when you go to the restroom, whatever it is, there's somebody, and somebody's watching you. Yes. There is the death of privacy. All of that would bring you being treated almost like a pet in a kennel brings you to tears. But the tears doesn't stop the reality that you couldn't go home. Man. And it's like I always had this fear. My time in prison was there. Some of what happened when they and they just leave us in here locked in these cells. And we can't pull the doors open. You can't do nothing. Like you're going to be like stuck. Like how would you get out of here? That if something of a state of emergency happened and something really like that, thing happened and they just leave the prison. We all locked in the cell. I used to think about that all the time. So it was just this fear like you can't go nowhere. You can't be. And it's like like gel really connected me for one of the first times to like being a human. And it connected me to my emotions and connecting me to tears and connecting me to everything that the community tell you that you can't be because the dehumanization of black people by black people in the cities is when you as a kid and you follow and swing boy don't cry. So I had to be tough all the time. So when I was in prison in that cell, I was I connected with my emotions. I connected with my fears. I connected with my tears and learning how to cry. And then it was just so many levels because when I first got transferred out of two other prisons from that one. And then this was my home prison. Home prison being dialysis prison where you got to stay at. And I seen somebody get stabbed. Right. And the guy was stabbing his guy to like his arm got tired and blood jumping everywhere. And people was walking by like it was normal. So I go back in the cell and I was in the cell with this old gentleman named Umar. And he bases like he heard about what happened in your cell. I'm in and I'm just like I'm in the cell just like like you was in the yard. I say yeah. He said you was looking at it with your regular mind. Huh? I'm like huh? He said listen little bro. He read going to journey. He said you got to go insane in order to stay sane. So you looking at that with your naked mind. If you wasn't looking at that with your naked mind, you wouldn't even feel the way you was feeling. So you had to adjust from the culture of the family. Yes. To the culture of being in the street in the hood. Yes. Running around with gangsters and trying to measure up. You know, be down forever. Yeah. Bring it on. Bring it on. Bring it on. Some of this. Follow. Okay. And then all of a sudden you're in Juvie and you had to adjust to that. And in between that sometimes back and forth in school, that's another culture. And then you end up in a maximum security prison and you're telling me you have to go through a metamorphosis in order to survive being in there for what turned out to be 20 years, two decades of incarceration. The ability, the ability to adapt to our environment is to me, one of the God giving gifts is given to humans that we adapt to whether we live in an article or we live in the Saharan desert, we adapt to our environment. But that adoption normally gives you more time to adapt. You had days to adapt. What did you tell yourself to adapt and what gave you the instinct to adapt not even to the good change but to the survival mode that you moved into? It was it was like instant fear and instant light. I didn't want to go crazy and because it was all happening one time for me crying at night, wanting to go home to me, a fear that somebody going to do something to me, to me now having to protect my mind to realize that if I look at this stuff regularly, I'm done. Because I cannot be a human being in here. If I'm a human being in here, I'm going to get eaten alive because my mental is going to get destroyed because I'm a care too much. So me going into the phase where I had to fortify my mind and my heart and my I had to realize that it went from that dude getting stabbed and I'm coming in there like damn ain't nobody stop him like why did nobody to now when somebody get hit in the head with a weight or somebody get stabbed in the yard and me and you walking and we talking about the game. You see what's the name last night's score 60 points somebody walking we don't even notice it no more because in our mind we say that ourselves do what's it did set me wrong for that dude to stab it. We're justifying somebody destroying another human being based off of our new mental and his new program. He had to reprogram. No empathy is allowed in this room. No sympathy is allowed in this room. The little boy that all of us carry inside ourselves is disallowed from showing up inside of you. He has to be your secret that cries in the night but when the lights come on in the morning you have to be prepared to put on this Superman hoax suit and go back out there again. We have had over 40,000 people who go through rehabilitation programs. We take people who are formerly offenders through our Texas Offenders Reentry Initiative and create environments for them to adapt to being outside. One of the things that fascinates me about the talk you give in the book is you talk about the crying and the fear when you got in but you also talk about the fear when you got out. A threat of freedom. Man listen the most the most scariest day of prison is the day they let you go because now for the first time in my life I got to be somebody that I never was based off of all the promises I made to my mom, my grandma, my sister, everything that you made, everything that you took, yeah I changed, I mean this you never was that person before so now when you walk out I'm sitting there and I'm in the reception area put my clothes on ready to leave and I'm like to give your birth certificate, your state ID because they help you get it while you in jail, everything that you order while you're jail being your personal property in front and they give it to you finally so I'm looking at my birth certificate, my Social Security car, my real ID because it's the first time in my life I got real ID, I never had ID in the before in the streets, I just went around doing me so now I got my ID, I'm like because now it's like now you got to be a responsible man you got to be a real citizen you got to pay taxes you got to obey the law so it's like when I'm looking at this ID I'm like so I never forget it's on walking out I was walking out slow because I'm like trying to process like them I got to go out here I don't want to come back and my real ID person that I said I am and I'm going to be able to stay committed to the promise that I made myself, my family and anything in prison, I'm going to stay committed to that when times get harder outside when I run into the homies, when I get offers to sell drugs to do crime and all that whatever when the homies and I'm going to be able to fight that off. You know we have an intense reentry program it's two-year reentry program generally takes you to sometimes get new record expunge so you can get a right to vote the other issue is most and generally most people won't let you get an apartment, most people won't hire you, most people don't trust you, the baby you saw when you went in is now an adult when they come out the girlfriend has been through a couple of marriages when you get out there's a lot of trauma in the family and in the world I have talked to inmates who were formerly incarcerated who were looking at the Apple phone saying you know what is this I was trying to find a phone booth the whole world has changed up under your feet so not only are you dealing with those emotional changes you're dealing with those sociological changes and the changes the family you come back to is not the family that you left and they have been traumatized. Did you find that trauma? Were you so full of your own trauma that you weren't sympathetic to the trauma of your family? I was what happened is one of the things that happened and I and because you be you being so many different places because you got to come home and a lot most people is stuck in the time they don't exist no more based off when you go to jail you're stuck in that time you went to jail if you went to jail in 82 you went to jail in 96 and is now you're stuck in that time frame so you don't really know so I'm going to happen to me that changed it up for me was that I got a cell phone prison and that's when I started my whole that's when WALO 267 became alive on social media and anything and I just started seeing the world and this is in 2013 around 2013 so I had to feel like a year from 2013 for like 14 months the 2014 and I was just tapped into the world in a different way so I was prepared myself even I ain't come home in 2017 but one of the things that happened when I came home and it was this personal thing because my brother my big brother got shot and he got killed and when he got shot he got shot on a birth block the block with the street that he was born on he ran to my grandma of a house my grandma come to the door he fell in the arms he said what happened and he died in my grandma arms in the house that we grew up in right and so I remember when I came home and I came home the first day I came home my grandma I moved in any house and I'm living in the middle room resting piece to my aunt Ruby my Ruby wanted to pass in the middle room this is my my grandma my sister and she was something else she was she was just funny but she used to she's the only person that used to get with my grandma she ain't play but it was it was crazy but uh and uh so I go in I'm in the room she got me a nice bed truss and all this nice so I'm just sitting there and I'm just sitting there you know and I just go down the steps and my grandma sitting in his chair near the door and I'm like nanny we're Steve at and I forgot you you tell him saying I I forgot and it was just like uh and I settled in the steps and I'm nanny like right down the steps and I'm looking at and I'm just she she just watered her up and I just really hit me the Steve been going you know for years now but I'm so used to when I come home we're Steve at because I'm I always been in the system to where I'm always coming home I'm the one that did more time Steve even though that's my big brother I'm always so it just messed me up but then I seen as I used to walk the streets of Philadelphia because I always will walk the streets when I come on and listen to my music and I see some funny or whatever and I be saying to myself we time tell Steve this it just was a reaction so it's like I'm going through that and then I'm seeing the things that everybody is going through my life right and and I had to let people know that because a lot of people when I came home I used to say some crazy stuff that people based off of my imagination I used to I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that even in prison sometimes I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna do that I had to realize that from going to prison to 17 coming out 37 something that I had that most people didn't have in a free world was that my imagination at 17 was the same at 37 because hard prison fortified me going through real life heartbreak losing jobs the stuff that you go through it every see people don't understand that every day life thing is hard somebody say man I'm with the jail that's hard no living is hard finding getting fired trying to find a job to go off of kids that's hard being I I did 20 in prison whereas though I knew that I had three mils coming to me I knew that I had heat water electric I knew that I had that but being in a real world for 20 years that's where in tear and what it do is as you had kids as your heart get broke as things happen as you're trying to battle your imagination start to fade away so when I'm coming out at 37 from 17 I got imagination of a 17 year old kid I believe I could do anything right right I'm coming home no kids I'm like I'm still like like I'm young I'm like yeah man I'm I'm still have dreams so part of trauma psychology to just part of trauma your life stops at the point of your most traumatic experience so even though your body gets older your mind is still there whether you were a 12 year old being molested or whether you're 17 coming out of incarceration years you might be 37 but you're seeing you you're processing like a 17 year old because you have been incubated in this furnace of affliction the one of the things that we have tried to do is to be to develop programs that make us a midwife to help you to make the transition and make the transition more possible for formerly incarcerated people not to be treated like they are a disease resulting in lowering the rate of recidivism to the we have one of the lowest rates of recidivism in the country we have shut down five prisons in the state of Texas over the time that I have been here we have been able to take people and help them to make that transition what I want you to understand by the way if you just joined us we are listening at the author of this new book arm with good intentions uh wallow 267 you need to go out and get it right now and read it you it's a it's a page turner that you won't stop you won't get enough sleep that night you're going to be reading like it's you or like it's your son and you're going to understand what he's saying right now he is telling us why people go back to jail they go back to the familiar because coming out here into the real world where the rules are different and often not written is a very scary thing one thing about prison it had uh order it had uh descriptions you knew what time to do this you know what time to do that you didn't have to make decisions for yourself you didn't have to be responsible and the scary thing he was just a scared of freedom as he was incarceration and I thought that was a very interesting point to make because a lot of people I hear don't understand why we're having so much trouble lowering the rate of recidivism it is primarily because when they shut that door and you're now on the outside it's like stepping out into Mars yeah in in is that like people don't understand like and I um I remember I knew somebody right and he was like yo I'm trying to get a job at this place right I said damn I know somebody there so when things ain't go right he came to me man he was like yeah they they shot me down because they said just in a third my regular I said damn I know somebody I'm gonna go in there talk to him so I knew a man as you did and I went there and I said listen man I know this guy I said I'm about to infer this guy based off of the respect that you have for me based off of my success and what you've seen that I did in community but I need you to know something and I need you to understand understand some are very important when y'all telling him no based off of something he did before that no was just not a no you're recintencing me you're recint every no out here to somebody that you're recintencing him because you're saying that what you did you did time for but that wasn't enough time so I'm a sentence you again and I'm gonna penalize you again so I'm sitting I'm bringing that down to him and they like we never looked at I said that could be devastating to him that they can go back getting on drugs that can make him choose the streets so when you looking at these nose that people was facing is not a no based off of just a regular note you're telling them the time that they did for the crime that they commit wasn't enough I'm gonna give you some more time and I'm gonna resent you by saying no a no is a resentance to somebody and not just a resentance can be devastated and it also can be a trigger to go somewhere comfortable it also says to us that people people seldom believe in change yes no they don't believe in change that's why I'm married just break up and you can't find forgiveness people don't believe that it is possible to have to and we talk like we do but in reality they think oh I know you you you got a record you're a felling so on so on so on so climbing over that kind of pre-judge prejudice it's not easy any kind of prejudice no it's not easy whether black white or brown young or old any kind of prejudice because I have pre-judged you so that no is a sentence to your point all over again so bringing down the rate of recidivism becomes quite difficult chapter four next opportunity how did you find the will within yourself to face your nose whether it's from your your old lady your girlfriend your your mother your sister how did you rebound back again without retreating back to the bars because at least they were familiar and you had three square at a cot no you know what it was for me no mean hex opportunity next open so I'm like okay and and my whole thing was I was able to because I'm gonna give you example I remember I went to this big corporation there was somebody I knew somebody that liked me on social media hit me I was like yeah I want you to meet my balls and I mean he's headed to marketing I think you all could do something so I go to the office I go up there I'm all happy I go to New York I'm like yeah I'm making this going on I'm thinking I'm gonna get me to market these stuff for brand sponsorship whatever so I go up there and I go into walking to the room eating out walking to the room I get to telling what I do just now through just that there he sent me back he said yeah wait outside I'll be moment uh so he called the guy there the brummy there then he came back I was like and he going to have him right now it's just not the time but we're going so I'm like now I'm shocked I'm like that man you really get this like so I said I just need to ask you one thing because you just I just actually one thing I just need to know there's so much information and it's so many lessons and blessings and no I said I need to know why right because I already got in the building so something got me here I need to know why I can't go to the next level so hold on this moment I want to be sure that I underscore what he just said he turned knowing to an acronym and called next opportunity next opening next opening very few people here next opening when they hear no when they hear no they hear you're not good enough stay in your place don't try to be any better you're in prison that's where you belong you need to go back if they are resenting solve over again but you had something in you that said there's another opportunity coming what was that and and right here at that moment not just did I want to know because I knew before I got the information about to know what I knew is no was connected to personal beliefs personal outlooks so they don't mean that no is is for everything in his room no might just be from you and that might be your fears it might be your show commons it might be something that you don't see it might be your lack of vision that don't mean that I'm not great that don't mean that I can take this job and be the greatest person that ever even worked in this corporation that don't mean that what that mean is based over your outlook based over your journey you might say or you might can't see the vision in me or you might can't understand that I'm able to deliver based over your show commons in your fears you might just you might be just not educated about who I am where I come from on the idea of the hard work whatever so I don't look at it like that I it's not a personal hit never so when he came back out but you know that's not normal most people what you think about them becomes their business only a few small percentage of people have the inner fortitude and tenacity to be able to say what you think of me is none of my business that's yours that's yours so you you leave that with them you had the ability to do that did that come from nanny where did that come from and then you definitely nanny had a big part of that because nanny didn't really I never seen nanny get Bob about none and then my uncle Tommy he just always was cool he ain't never cared about none no matter what nobody said about him he was the same person any day so when I'm looking at that I understand that and but I knew if you could take the personal part out of it your world could open up because if I would have stormed out that room that day and then wait he went back in that room he said he said wow he came at the hand and I said what you mean he said you didn't even have a deck I said what is a deck a deck is a resume for business to show analytics to show your numbers to show why the partnership move and he said he said while a lot of times when you coming to these big corporations and you trying to do brand deals of partnership they're looking for you to bring the idea and the value you're going to bring how's going to be mutually beneficial and the idea that they can roll out some it even he said sometimes it even get to the point of understanding what type of budget is going to take is you going to shoot the content is they going to shoot the content right so I said so yeah but what is a deck I'm down to sitting there right what is a deck he went right on joint when right on Google show me I said that's a deck I said I know somebody that can make that I said listen man thank you that was one of the greatest days of my business journey because I realized that they I said everything is on Google number one and then not just that I realized like hold up when if I had a left I wouldn't have got this million dollars worth of game I wouldn't got all this game let me tell you what I realized listening to talk that you speak in other languages okay you have the ability to do street talk but now you're learning the ability to speak in business language you're learning what a deck is you're learning what ROI is you're learning what a promo is you're you're learning what a pitch is a pitch competition you're you're you're learning all of this new language and I think it's important for people to know that you can't change your life until you change your language when you begin to change your language you also have to change your habits you start talking about financial literacy we teach financial literacy because most of us don't sit around the table talking about the stock market well you know the stocks are down this week and I'm gonna invest in the Nvidia I'm gonna do this over here I'm gonna go with blockchain I'm gonna do so and so no we don't sit around the table talking about that we generally sit around the table either talking about the food or talking about each other okay so poor people talk about each other middle class people talk about opportunities rich people talk about what they're going to do with the month how they're gonna let the money work for them rather than them work for the money so there's a difference in conversation you can't go to the next level with the old language and I've realized that I realized that I realized multiple things coming out of prison I realized that you gotta have you gotta know how to speak number one I always had that but I but I also realized that the look was the hook man I gotta invest in some suits I gotta know when to show up in a certain way I gotta be there at a certain time I gotta you know I know I can't take certain people with me you know I'm saying because everybody can't go and a lot of times people get offended with that back will we from you know how to everybody take offense what you mean you can't go because this is not the environment for you and you don't know how to act you might do not address and you might mess up this opportunity for me you now I gotta confess go ahead I laid out a suit go ahead to come to do this interview but when I started investigating all the interviews you done you always dress casual so I had to ditch the suit so you so I could match you know the room yeah yeah you got to match the energy of the room that you're in so I came up with this otherwise you know I've been tied so the booted that's my normal that's my uniform you know that's my you know so I'm trying to meet you okay to know how to fit and blend into the situation we took a group of formerly incarcerated inmates and took them to different jobs at major 100 fortune 100 companies they were terrified they didn't have the clothes for it they didn't have the language for it they didn't they walked into offices where the corporate rules are not always written and and and and suddenly we began to understand that you have to move them in to better slowly we like to talk about better and go into the next level but are we really ready to go to the next chapter next level in our lives now it's it's multiple things first of all you can't teach what you're going to know and you can't leave where you're going to go so it's real deep exposure like like exposed a lot of times in our communities we lack exposure right like and I think we we we we get so invested in one department of life that we don't focus on different department of life or having different like it's like a toolbox you know what I mean you can have a tool belt on or you could just have a screwdriver a filibre like you can head just a couple pieces but then you've got the guy to come up with the tool belt so anything in here they can take a part they can do anything they're they're they're adaptable and I think a lot of people don't know how to be adaptable and just realize that you know or get around people that adaptable or be receptive to change receptive to criticism right because when we hear criticism the vote the human vocabulary based off of where we come from we have words that we have this mental this mental listen our mind is always negative when we hear him dammit criticizing on me so criticizing one from criticizing some I with easily you could take him or you trying to help him whatever to your hater right like anybody that don't agree with you as a hater right when sometimes somebody that don't agree with you they buy a critiquing you and they might something that you could change because in a lot of in a lot of quote unquote hey that's some truth in here that's why I hurt you the most if you speak about us if if our people speak about us or if any other nationality speak about us and it's true mm-hmm that's when they hurt yeah see we don't see when it's true it's hurt and now when it's true a lot of times when people speak truth to you you're going to you're going to even tie it you're going to even you know categorize them a hater a racist or whatever because the truth hurt yes because we were talking through social media yeah you don't get to have a rebuttal you don't get to have a discussion and the truth of the matter is when you start talking about people in lower class neighborhoods underserved neighborhoods most of them have never left their neighborhood they never seen they eat in those restaurants they stay in the two or three city block radius they they haven't seen the other part of dollars but let me tell you what I learned though that's part of dollars hadn't seen them either nobody talk about that yeah they they are just as much in a bubble as the other group is and we'll never have a united states of America as long as we are quadrant off into different segments and we have these silos that are comfortable we stay in the shallow that's comfortable for the background that we have not willing to learn other languages chapter six becoming wallow 267 I look around here and you had you had a four million dollars in grants to minority owned businesses and organization and you've been a role and you got four million dollars that's a massive change in your life and I take it you didn't have bezel it though you would be sitting here I got a part of my partner's at borrassos are our media partners and we took it and we said listen this is what we want to do we want to take it to the inner cities and we want to do something for some businesses and we took that four point five million dollars and just gave it to businesses four point five that they need to help at the time but how did you know how did you feel given out four point five million dollars the guy who would have snatched four point five million dollars it was about you know it was it was the same way I was in prison going in their crime it was the same way that I will get banging the car and I'll be emotional because the sea people break down and the sea somebody giving something that definitely working hard and being trained and was counting these self-help all was figuring like you got to stand a lot of business owners are thinking about ways to exit not the not the not the this exit that go through the back door and just say man I'm giving it up so the sea people to say oh my god I almost can't pay rent this or whatever it was this is going to help my business I'm gonna get more inventory that was everything to me but but it was like this the same way how you feel knowing that you employ over 10,000 people let me explain something to you you said that people being silos and this is how deep it is do you know it's over there's about 16,000 cities in America that have less than 10,000 people in there so do you understand that you're employing whole towns right so you got so so so we say that you say that listen people don't leave but you know I mean people in them 6,000 16,000 towns they never leave each town you're right right you got a town in New Hampshire with like 900 people in there I forget the name I forget the name of the town it's like 900 people in the town so you know how many small towns so like you say people say oh they don't leave they they're not this yeah that's all races and all nationalities got towns around the world they don't leave the town you just drew a line for me between people who have never left their town and people who refuse to leave the prison yes yes that that that says to me that there's a human comfort zone tribal and staying in tribal but there you go tribal you hit the word because it's like it's like this it's like like think about this hmm that comfort is saying this is my need but this is my thing this is my tribe this is where I'm comfortable at it's not and it's not even saying that everybody's wrong because everybody's not meant to see the world it's not financially feasible for everybody to see the world some people like the comfort zone just like this we never knock big mama because you say yeah I had this girl before you was born and I'm gonna walk around the stilka and and I'm gonna that chair right there's mine I'm safe right here I'm not leaving this community I'm gonna live here I'm a diehead because this is my people and this is where I'm comfortable at yeah you know that hits me a different kind of way my experience is exceptional from the fact I grew up poor off of government cheese and powdered milk and powdered the eggs my mother took us to nice restaurants if we didn't do anything but ordered this hurt trying to expose us to better thing expose us to ballet expose us to concerts expose us to things and we went back home to to a house it had no grass they had a floor furnishing and everybody standing over the furnace trying not to freeze to death we went back home to a house that was hanging on the side of a cliff but we visited it better I'm gonna tell you something when you say that connect me to something that's very important to me and I will say that's the the government cheese them grill cheese was they was they were they they they they they they bang it they were they they they they proud of them you whip it right you don't get your love for me yeah you gotta mix you have everything right you got to whisk yeah but but but the thing was this is something you said and I tell people this all the time I said um well for some well for this a great thing being able to get finances to do what you want to do to live better to have better options to be able to travel the world you need that and I'll tell people that you got to become who you want to become before you become it mm-hmm you got to become a millionaire before you become a millionaire you got to head a big house before you have it so I had this thing that when I came on from prison I used to be downtown Philadelphia the reason I used to be downtown for I put my backpack on I have a walk downtown or I jump on a subway and I be downtown Philadelphia and I go to the four seasons I go there I used to go to the bar in the four seasons on the top floor six year floor and I used to go in there and I used to like uh let me get a hot team to go cup with lemon and honey anybody know that's my that's my that's my that's my drinker choice hot tea to go cup lemon and honey if you got mint that'd be a double a cup of super hot and I would sit there drink my hot tea sometimes I get a gingerbread or bottle water right then I leave there because I I had to leave because I have a appointment for one of these top flight um top flight condos and filling I go there check the condo out because once I realize that you ain't need no real money you ain't need no money and they don't check your bank account the the test drive a car right to go for appointment in the cost so I'm all in the condo my backpack going my my van's on my skinny jeans from American Eagle that I got a deal on court them on sale and I walk them around the condo like hmm put my book bag in front there's a nice rum so what do you uh like how much is this right okay um I'm walking through the whole thing did I go to the bins dealer and I say um test drive let me test drive around the block and then like this nice come back out when I get back out the car I'm looking around yeah so you say what's that what's the horse power in this okay do I get a lever or what's name I do that and I would do this a couple times a month because I had to prep myself see you got to believe that you're who you are before you become who you are you got a vision you you got to have a strong belief that you crazy everybody told me I was crazy I remember one time I came into the house because I was doing my videos and they didn't understand my videos but this is what happened I'm gonna tell you first of all my name through people off the 267 my my prison number DG267L so that's what that 267 come from when I went to prison Philadelphia area code was 2 1 5 before it was 267 so I already that didn't that didn't connect so what what what what I realized when I was in jail I'm watching social media and I realized that it was a battle for attention so when I came out doing I was doing these people thought I was crazy based off of I studied the timeline when I was in prison I studied that hold up they looking at her because she naked they looking at him because he got some jury on he got cars he's a he NBA player he's a rapper he they looking at all these people for these things so I got a battle with all these people why where's the regular people that they looking at there's no human connection I said okay when I do my videos I'm gonna be running across the highway and it's like a block away you want to see 18 will it come you think I might I'm gonna have my trial by him to do my video I'm being laying on the ground with ketchup on my head explaining with somebody get shot don't wait to us too late don't want to change your life and the ambulance getting closer but you think it's getting farther because you're checking out so this is all of the stuff that I'm putting so when they looking at my stuff I keep hearing the neighborhood and people I know man he went crazy in jail man he always doing the videos running in the rain he just so I remember one time I come home and every night when I would come on I call nanny because I used to try to come in before he'd get dark I'd be like nanny I'm going to the Chinese store you I'm get this was my thing 10 scallops fire rice like a ginger rob and nanny like give me some egg for young I always bring a summer home and night that's why I get to the crib so I get to the crib so I give us the she up in a room so she hit me in the room because my room right next to her and she like and I'm in there laughing all the time she like boy but you watch I'm like mad mad nanny I'm just laughing about boy you always laughing and what I was laughing about where I get a text or somebody be telling you know what's the name said is about you you gonna crazy man I'm laughing because I'm like I got him in the in the cities of America when they call you crazy when they talk about you when when they say you lost your mind you got you on something you got something now I almost said it and you ain't got nobody in your way because I'm like being still I'm crazy nobody is going to be in my way only thing I'm doing is I'm gonna be straight out with you only thing I'm doing is I'm I'm I'm bringing you a new virgin a less brown right does digestible to right now right I'm less brown right now that's what right so so I'm like I'm in the joint listening to less plus I'm already able to do what that was incurred I understood I understood to be a great speaker I never knew that I already had it being a great speaker is being informative being humorous and being relatable right to any room that you walk in so I'm like do you think I'm crazy nobody is going to get in my way I wasn't tough I wasn't bragging am I being in prison as a bad job on it because it's not like I'm with university and I wasn't just I wasn't too cool to do what mattered for me the definition of crazy is being different from the person who's called you crazy that's that's the long and the short of it in my day we say consider the source a lot of times the person who's calling you crazy is really saying you're unfamiliar and you have to have courage to hear them call you crazy and keep moving anyway that's what I want to ask you and in case you're just you're on in us you miss you miss so much you got to rewind we're talking to the author of arm with good intention new york times best selling list wallow 267 you kept your numbers you brought 267 with you to the university to the new opportunities to the CMO position in what ways does 267 inform wallow see well the reason I put that number in here I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell you what happened when I went to go set up the Instagram in prison somebody had wallow okay I put the 267 on there because I wanted people to I wanted to be reminded from where I came from and where I ain't going back to so I was like not only did I do that when I came I said let me trademark my name I'm gonna make this name I'm gonna I'm gonna show people globally that you could be something no matter what you've been through in life you could get back up and you could win I'm gonna push back a little bit I think you can be something because of what you've been through in life I think that what you have been through the most negative horrific circumstances that happen in your life become the jet fuel that causes you to take flight yes and soar above the planes that can only go to a certain altitude you can only rise to the altitude of the death that you sunk to and I thought when I looked at wallow 267 I thought 267 is the guess that made wallow yes yes because I'm gonna tell you something it's like I realized something very important I was not going to let people define me about the worst decisions I made in my life and what happened most of the time we let people they find us they repackages and they keep reminding us about the worst moments and the decisions that we made in our life that we can't get up we can't move we can't see we can't think outside of that and people will put you in the prison because they like hold up I need to sell me because I'm in the prison I'm already mentally locked up because there are more people in prison in the free world than they'll ever be in prisons around the world they think it's easier to pull you down than it is for them to climb up when in reality many times if you're up it would be better to emulate the person that's up then to try to pull them down so you feel good by having somebody a little bit lower than you yes a Lenin B. Johnson was quoted as saying it's long as you make the black man a little bit lower than the poor white man there always be a division in our country everybody likes to look down and see somebody under them because that way I'm not at the bottom that's true about marriage that's true about society that's true about criminal justice system is true about everything in life but what is unique about you and rare whether you're living on the good side of the tracks or the bad side of the tracks one I heard you saying another interview that you take responsibility for the mistakes you made that's rare for somebody to really take responsibility and take responsibility isn't a speech you make to people it's a speech you make to yourself and the second thing is you did not allow other people's opinion to be your prophecy you you had the courage to accept being different crazy if you please in order to achieve what you're trying to achieve chapter seven making grandma proud when you go into schools and you're talking to young people who have never had to think for themselves who went along with the gang in lieu of having a family who suffer from no father in the home or no mother in the home or an abusive relationship in the how do you begin to help them to think in another way that changes their life you know what I realized I share information based off my journey and I share information based off my travels but one thing that I had to realize is if you can you will if you can't you won't and everybody on this planet alarm clock come on different times it was so many great people that I ran into through my journey and when I ran into these people coming up and I was impressionable and I was married to the streets of Philadelphia it wasn't time for my alarm clock to come on so you could tell them because you got to give them them and they would connect with the information because I remember information later on when I was sitting in that prison cell and I remember every the mentor I had the probation officer roof markers like every I remember the different people that was trying to pull me that was trying to like you'll listen nanny always nanny always is always nanny so it was like you remember all these people but that alarm clock is a personal thing that's decided you and you got to be willing to be ready to understand that it's extraordinary people places and things waiting for you on this planet for your rival maybe you're not going to be a business owner maybe you're not going to be a CEO maybe you're not going to change the world maybe you're not going to do something amazing maybe you're in this world to be somebody's nanny maybe you're in this world your job your purpose your place in the kingdom is to believe in somebody that nobody else believed in until they keep getting up maybe that's your role in life if so that's a very important role if it were not for Moses's sister Moses could have died in the now there's always got to be somebody running down the bank so the river even when you're going to your lower state who helps you to arrive at the location you're trying to arrive at I want to know this when you got out of prison and the first time you saw nanny make make me the only person that consistently believed in you when you were at your worst moment to give it out 4.5 million dollars to people and when going back to school and all this stuff you did when you saw her what did your heart say it was it was so much emotion because it was like first of all this the this is the the short as big as lady I know she come through she got a new balance on September 30th she'd be 91 okay she still I'm telling my driving a car still walking jump I'd be like nanny where you at I'm downtown what you like what you doing I caught the bus nanny is different right still going out to give me some new balances all right nanny whatever but I saw somebody that was so happy and it was so much emotion but I still was like it was so much in me because I'm like I still got to show her because my whole my greatest fear when I was in prison that because nanny will always say listen baby I'm a lead but I'm a lead you something but I you ain't you taking too long because I used to tell nanny every year that I'd be home next year and she'd like you told me next year three years ago boy I'ma be out of here I got it some way to go like that's not nanny so to be able to get home I'm like I always had this fear that nanny would never see me do good and the only connections you have for me doing good is when I was a little baby so it was like I got a show where so I never forget this day I'm uh they put me on the front page of the paper for everything I'm doing nanny don't even know when I'm leaving out the house don't any day she don't have no clue nanny not on social media she don't even have a smartphone she got the flip she got team when they hear none of that stuff nanny watching tv she going watch the she knows she don't care about none of that so her girlfriend called a wireless on the front paper I'm out for months now I'm doing my thing she don't know nothing about it uh and what's crazy is that I was selling t-shirts hey damn doing my thing I'm doing little stuff but I think nanny thought I was busing moves in the streets again so when I was trying to give a money she wasn't taking that from me she's like no boy just make sure you stay out of jail I'm like nanny I ain't I she don't even so when I get on the paper somebody called a wireless on the page she called me boy what you do now I'm like I ain't doing nothing what you talking about right man she got that paper and I walked in the house she had that paper that was one of the greatest days of my life make me feel it because um you gotta understand she didn't think I was going to make it now home every day that I left the crib growing up it was a fear because I was just reckless um what did it feel like um describe it make me feel it it was an undescribable emotion in me it was like a finally it was like I finally reached reached that part of my life well I'm like I've done it because no matter what I've done it was like I got to show her that I that I'm a good person you know I robbed that still I I lied I did so much growing up so I was like I got to show her that like everything that she told me I listened because I never it was like I never listened but I need to show her that everything that she told me she was right and and I held doing to it I just had to wait for the alarm clock to come on and it was this it was just like this burst of love and I and I never seen her look at me the way she looked at me and it was like she said on that couch and looked at me and I'm like she was like boy I'm proud I gave her a hug and she was just like it was like I knew that that day all her fears that she had every time that I left that house growing up as a kid me and Steve in the streets and the police calling and the police coming to the house I'm calling from jail the letters coming home from jail and somebody went it down and she while it's got locked up again I was introduced to somebody that's safe that fell safe that fell respected that fell love since I was a kid and lived long enough to see it I don't know which is the greatest miracle that she lived long enough to see it or that you turn far enough for her to have something to see it's like the collision between two miracles very few people have that privilege to to write the wrongs to turn themselves around and the reason I wanted you to describe it is because somebody didn't get to show the person that meant the most to them that there was something else inside of them and I'm one of those somebody I'll be transparent my father never saw anything I built he he never saw me direct acquire he never heard me preach a sermon in my life I soon will have been preaching 50 years he never saw me build anything or do anything or or speak at the president's inaugural event he never saw any of it and I had to live with the fact that it wasn't that I was slowing doing it that it was that he left so early he died when he was 48 and I never got to show him and to this day there's a part of me that longs to be able to show him that hey I turned into something I actually did something yeah I'm still crazy but I actually did something with my life chapter eight clap for you so now Mr. Wallace Peoples as we bring this to a close you've come full circle from nannies dream to nannies reality you're not in prison anymore you're somebody you're on all the talk shows you you've got a highly rated podcast extremely highly rated you got people listening at you you the man what's next for Mr. Peoples and I call you Mr. Peoples on purpose you know you know it's crazy it's a lot but more importantly than the business moves I make it's helping people and it's not the people that you think of it's the everyday person that I've run into when I'm in the market when I'm on the streets because I got I got a bunch of business stuff going on but that's cool but there's nothing like when I'm running a somebody that don't know who I am wherever's the old lady at the grocery store and I pay for groceries and just leave or you know all the stuff that I do in the dark like I like moving in the dark I got my little hoodie on my little head on him somewhere of homeless people I'm just feeding them or whatever just talking to him that's more important than any of this other stuff you know books coming TV show coming movie coming lot of stuff coming but that's just like that don't really that don't really impact the stuff people as much now the fact that I'll where I come from impact people to let them know that they could do something but the real stuff is when I see somebody that really need to help and I help them when nobody watch them I think that's fantastic I personally would say this to you at the right page of 68 I understand what it is to get fulfillment out of changing people's lives I've done it for 50 years it's something it's the substratum of my life you know the one thing I miss I forgot to clap for me I forgot to clap for me I never looked at until I got older and my hair turned white and I look back at my life and I realized the things that I got to do and the places I got to go and the people that I got to meet I did it but I was so intent on helping them that I never clap for me and I didn't realize that it is a low grade form of low self-esteem to only find pleasure out of other people's happiness and not find pleasure out of your own and my advice take it if you want to leave it if you will it's every nine men you'd say the book don't mean nothing you're under New York times list you say the career doesn't mean nothing you gave for away 4.5 million dollars make yourself clap for you because it will complete the healing you won't need other people to do it if you clap for yourself I clap for you I clap for you thank you very much thank you son of wow that was good man that was just great man it was real therapeutic just talking to you man just kicking it yeah because we were just kicking it man yeah and it wasn't like this something you know it was just so happened the camera was here it was like I was like you know they have a great conversation with people man and just share your stories is everything yes and you know especially the stuff you hear with me back there is like it's just like and I think sometimes people put you so much on the pedestal because you got successful they don't understand that you just like to symbol things alike right like the way you like your call for you that bagel or something that you just like damn excited about right you know so it'd be like but that clap for you I needed that yeah I know because I forget me looking out for the world I just I'm always trying to look out for the people that the world forgot about that I forget about me it's it's almost like a disease because it's a subtle way of saying you don't matter oh I got that that's the truth mm-hmm to take the time to applaud yourself and applaud the God brought you yeah I guess all odds for a few people make it you you mentioned in one of your interviews about your fascination with Harriet Tubman yeah she made it in and out of slavery and brought other people a little woman a little woman a little woman I want you to make it your business to force yourself to don't feel funny it's gonna feel awkward to celebrate yourself clap for yourself and tell yourself because if you don't tell yourself you're not perfect but you did pretty bad going good for where you started from yeah if you don't tell yourself that you give to everybody else and die empty and what was the need of coming out if you're not gonna come up you right you right about that you feel me yeah that's that's my gift to you I appreciate you for that yeah I'm clapping for myself right now yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't I left some smoke on the ground I didn't I didn't do some stuff yeah you know and I'll never look at it like that I just be like focusing on the next thing and just creating new stuff and just and I didn't because I normalized what I do like you could do it too and he could do it and it's not easy I did that you're describing me to a team but there's a difference between busyness and business yeah it's totally different busyness can be a way of avoiding yourself mm-hmm yeah so I got so I got to be here and I got to be there and I got to be the other and I got to be there and now I'm down to Adam's sleeve when I get him tomorrow I got to get to this I got to do that and all the while the clock is ticking and you look around and the crow's reader forming one morning you wake up and you look in the mirror and your hair is white when you spray in an ankle mm-hmm or you pull your hip socket out of joint trying to kick a ball you and all of a sudden you realize the time is the most precious gift you have please sir do not waste it on saving the world and losing you I'm not yeah promise you that I ain't doing that good good you already lost 20 years yeah I ain't doing that so the Bible says God said I will restore unto you the years at the kankarworm and the parmaworm and the locust head up he said I'll give you I'll give him back to you it may not be in days but I'll do more in the days you got left then in the days you lost mm-hmm expect that enjoy that clap for that and if you can't find anybody that will clap for you or take you out to dinner or send you a card mail yourself a card take myself out to dinner yeah I do like to dinner and do something wonderful and and and look at the tank pictures mm-hmm because you are history you are history in the making and some little boys somewhere 50 years from now it's going to read about you and his eyes are going to be a blaze but he's not going to know that your eyes never lit up mm-hmm for yourself that's true by the time I realized what I had done I had already done it and while I was doing it I was so busy running it he was in it I didn't even see it mm-hmm I did all kinds of stuff that I missed and now I'm finally getting to see everything that you missed yeah everything got up us they mattered so much that I had a heart attack on stage and all I wanted to do was get the mic in my hand to calm them down while I was dying mm-hmm what is that yeah I had a massive heart attack reaching for them and the problem with it and this is what Michael Jackson James Brown all the greats find out the problem is you give all of yourself to them and they take all you will give and walk away and you will try to get everything out of one person that you gave to millions and it's too much to expect one person to replace all the virtue that went out helping out the people God does a lot of it well done that good and faithful servant but that's on the other side before you cross over to the other side smell the roses I will a lot of them yeah yeah the rules go and you go be a rose garden yeah yeah yeah it's gonna be a picture with you laying in a bunch of roses and I ain't got a man mm-hmm yeah that's good that was a good one I think we did a good job let's clap for ourselves they don't know whether y'all clap for us or not but we clap for ourselves listen let me do this one thing one final time I want to remind you arm with good intentions is on your bookshelf now wherever books are sold it will come to your front door you can order you can go on Amazon you can get it from anywhere and learn a little bit more about wallow 267 he does not hide the 267 from the wallow you get the whole deal and this might be the book that inspires your son your husband your uncle your nephew or even you as a woman it's genderless mm-hmm everybody goes to their own kind of hill before they get out of here get this book today hey everybody I want to take this time to thank you for watching the next chapter podcast if this conversation inspired you helped you reflect on an idea or spark something new inside of you make sure to like comment and subscribe so you don't miss future episodes remember life isn't about how you begin it's about how you finish strong to start your next chapter with us right here every week