This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 210 is sitting here with Echo Charles. We've received some questions from the field and we have some answers, some recommendations and some courses of action for you. So let's get into it. Cool, yeah, the first question. Hello, I've been struggling with this, with the balance between quote unquote, walk away and don't look back and taking ownership after a breakup. Max, my ex was using Kratom products, which I think contributed to his mental health issues. He started having sleeping problems, hallucinations, saying he could see demons and started having, and then delusional beliefs about those hallucinations. I was trying to get him professional help, but one day while taking off the bedding to wash, I found his loaded gun under his pillow pointed at my side of the bed. He dismissed my concern about it, so I tried turning it away from me or putting it in the nightstand, but he kept putting it back under the pillow and pointed it towards me. I felt unsafe, so I decided to leave. I told both his brother and his pastor the full story and asked them to help him, and I've cut off communication. But I've wondered if walking away and not looking back is the right call for situations like this, or if I need to take more ownership and action to get him help. Sometimes I've been, I even wonder if I should have stayed. My friends have varied opinions, and I go back and forth. So could you please offer advice about breaking up with someone who has addiction or mental health struggles? Is it the same breakup protocol or is it different? No, it's not different. And you don't need to do anything else here. This is a totally unsafe situation with a mentally unstable person that is hallucinating about demons and has firearms. There's, this is, just go away and stay away. Do not look back, do not, this is terrible, terrible situation, thankfully you got out of it and carry on with your life. And just keep this in mind too, this interesting temptation to quote unquote help them will actually just hurt them more. It's gonna enable their behavior. It's gonna give them a false sense of hope. It's gonna put you at more risk. It keeps them in a codependent, like unhealthy mental state. It's just not good across the board. So you absolutely just do not communicate with this person ever again. If you feel so compelled out of the goodness of your heart that you have some care, then do it through like a third party cutout. Like a couple degrees of separation. Like if you wanna call someone who can call the cops to check on him, so the cops are a cutout and then the person that you called is a cutout and it's never gonna get back to you. But even that I would barely, I wouldn't recommend it. I think you need to break away, break contact completely. This person should never hear your name again. That's just the way it is. And they certainly should not see your face or hear your voice or anything like that. And as far as taking ownership goes, you've already taken ownership. You recommended mental health, you reported what was going on to his brother and his pastor and that's the right thing to do. That's how you take ownership. Taking ownership is not getting yourself killed. That is not the right thing to do. If someone is drowning and you jump in the water and you drown too, you have not helped that person. So taking ownership of this situation means that you know that you've done what you can and you need to walk away and not look back. Taking ownership means knowing that there's nothing else you can do. You're not gonna help this individual with their mental problems. You're not gonna be able to. That's not your job, that's not your world. So that's where you're at. Do not destroy your own life to try and save someone that needs to take ownership of their own life. So the protocol is not different. Walk away, don't look back. That's what I got, it's pretty straightforward. So you've heard of cratum. You know I've heard of it, but I don't really know too much about it. I believe it's, isn't it something that you can buy in like a 7-Eleven or something like that? I don't know. Okay, well I don't know. I thought it was one of those kind of semi-legal drugs or at least it was legal when it first came out or something like that. But I don't even know what it does. Yeah, from what I understand, which is not much, it's some kind of like stimulant type scenario. I think people who work out I think use it sometimes. You know like a pre-workout or I don't know something. That's the context I have heard it. But yeah, gems you have real bad. From what I understand like super addictive, like physiologically addictive. So like if you get off of it, you have like these weirdo withdrawal stuff, like symptoms and stuff like that. Like bad, like not the kind like you get off coffee or something like this and then you get like some headaches or so it's not that, it's like way worse. You know it's like that kind. So it's like kind of dangerous from what I understand. But I never even heard of until like probably like a month ago. I heard of it I think when it kind of made it into the news and the reason it was in the news was it was something that hadn't been declared illegal yet. You know what I'm saying? Someone invented a new drug. Like a gray area. Yeah, it was a gray area. And then they kind of made it illegal. From what I understand. But I don't know too much about it. But apparently if it's giving you hallucinations where you see demons like it's bad. And this is not a good situation for this woman to be in at all. So. Yeah, could be the kind where you might have some pre-existing conditions. 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