Trump's Mental Health Is the Real Emergency: Wolff

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So much to discuss from the 25th Amendment to Orban to the Strait of Hormuz to is Trump God, is he not God, and the Pope? Well, let's maybe begin with a more down-to-earth, is Trump crazy? Which I think is suddenly a open-season question. We know this that it's open season because the New York Times, which for 10 years has treated him as the president of the United States in New York Times, toms. Are you starting to imitate the New York Times? Well, that's what everything in the New York Times sounds like. Makes everything an issue of great significance and great importance and great gravity, even Donald Trump. I quite like that imitation, actually. It may not have great gravity, to say the least. But the Times had a story yesterday, I think, in which they basically openly asked. I've been saying for, well, for 10 years now, I've been saying that a proper headline in the New York Times should be President of the United States is crazy. And they almost got to that yesterday talking about his, in the headline, his erratic behavior. Now, let's go to erratic behavior. When the President of the United States is displaying erratic behavior, that would be cause for, shall we say, concern. It would. And I think that we have seen, we have seen a clear, I mean, we have seen 10 years of erratic behavior. But I think it is coming faster and more furious in these past number of weeks, probably prompted by the war, which is going terribly, of course. And he doesn't know what to do and he doesn't know how to get out of it. But also, I think, prompted by a whole set of other things. Minneapolis ice, the failing economy, the dimwits that surround him, which he has now been forced to fire. So I think he is in a corner and that has meant he's failing out erratically. Okay. And he's still surrounded by some dimwits. The list is long. I mean, he is not surrounded by anyone who is not dim. He's only fired two of them so far. So we have many dimwits to go through, yes. Many dimwits to go sounds like a line from a Sonny and Cher song, I think. What was that song? Many rivers to cross. Many dimwits to go. Anyway. I think we're showing our age. Oh, well, I'm always showing my age. I don't care at this point. You know who is showing his age? The president is showing his age. Now he's appearing as Jesus in Posts on Truth Social, which he... There was so much outrage about it that he withdrew it. And of course, attacking the Pope and saying that the Pope's position on crime... The Pope's position on crime as if he'd been running for the mayor of New York City. I mean, it was just so funny. He can't clearly control himself, but to attack the Pope, the American Pope, the popular American Pope. Yeah. The first American Pope who understands America and who understands Donald Trump. And now he's got some conspiracy theory that because Obama is from Chicago, Obama is somehow running the Pope, because the Pope is from Chicago. Okay. Well, let's go to erratic behavior and go to the point that these kinds of things... And let's go back to the end of civil... Remember, he was ending civilization as we know it a week ago. Well, only in Iran. He wasn't planning to end civilization anywhere else. He was targeted the end of civilization, but he was threatening it. Yeah. I think the end of civilization, one place, might have a cascading effect. Of course, but I don't think he thinks that. But anyway, it doesn't mean that he meant that he was ending civilization. It actually... And this is an important point. What he says is more and more distinct from, cut off from, separate from reality. Right. And so that would be another indication of erratic behavior. And another indication that he is in this place and reality is in this place, which would be alarming. Well, as we've repeatedly said, he's trying to run the presidency as if it were a reality show, which to some extent works for certain things. But it doesn't work when you're harnessing... I think that's wrong at this point, though. Well, I was going to say it doesn't work when you're harnessing the American military and you're pulling warships in. No, but I think that's an off point. I mean, that would be, if he were running the presidency as a reality TV show, that would be a strategy, however objectionable. But what he is doing has no strategy, it comes from nowhere. It is just little burst, mini-stroke-like bursts in his head. There is no strategy. Right. And in the plan, there is no conception of what's going on. It is erratic behavior. Well, that's why we said we're trying to go inside Trump's head three times a week. The other thing that is different is that people are calling it out. Right? Tucker Carlson's calling it out. Marjorie Taylor-Green is calling it out. Pauling Alex Jones is calling it out. Megyn Kelly is calling it out. But the New York Times is calling it out, too. I was going to come on to that. The New York Times is finally calling it out and saying there's something not right here. Hillary Clinton, who for the most part has kept her head down, popped up yesterday to say there is something really wrong here. And 25th Amendment is now trending, both in conversation and online, as to how do people handle this. And you can also see it in the faces of the people around him. Look at Marco Rubio's face. He looks terrified, puzzled, confused, bewildered, having to deal with this strange creature of Donald Trump. You saw them at the fight match on Saturday as J.D. Vance was coming back with nothing gained as yet from the talks in Pakistan. Where was Donald Trump? He was at a UFC fight with Marco Rubio showing him texts on his phone. We've seen a version of this before, and we saw it in the Biden administration. When there were first those kinds of Soto Voce reports and rumors about his lack of attention, whatever you wanted to call it, clearly a dysfunction. And then that started to break out into more public ways, and then we saw it in person, obviously the debate. So we are at a moment in American politics when we are actually dealing with this issue of people being of men in high positions, being too old of the stress of high positions taking its toll before our eyes. And I think that's where we are in the Trump administration. And there is a thing, and for anyone who has gone through the experience of having an older relative, go through a series of obvious personality changes. What you see is that your behavior pattern, your kind of strange, more extreme behavior patterns, which you might have displayed all through your life, suddenly become more pronounced, more extreme, more frequent. And I think that that's obviously what we're seeing. 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In fact, I remember seeing him two years ago at the White House. They had a small event for creators, which I went to and he was clearly very frail. He came in to talk to everybody for about 25 minutes. What does that mean, creators? It means sort of people who had larger social media followings than me, I think. And John Favreau and John Lovett were both there and we were talking about it at the time. And Biden's issue not only did he look slightly vacant, but he also just moved with such apparent difficulties that it was sort of alarming. How Biden's people handled it was to hide him. They just kept him away from people. So he only actually gave something like six interviews during his presidency, whereas Trump insists on being front and center and talking to people all the time. So it becomes more and more obvious. Well, actually that in itself is a symptom. Were he more in control of that, I think he would say, let's be a little careful about how he's presented. Let's not give him opportunities to go off script. Let's close down the goddamn social media account. Well, let's close down social media, but also you can see it when he talks to people. So he insists on having press conferences all the time. He's always going back to the back of the plane Air Force One to talk to journalists because as you've pointed out frequently, the man never stops talking. So we have a baseline as Dr. Jean Gartner has pointed out several times on the Daily Beast podcast. We have a baseline against which to judge him. That's what's unusual here. And it's a very big baseline and he's been in public life for so long that we know he's changed. We can see it. And that's what's fascinating about it. And he's become more grandiose, less inhibited. The crazy truth social he sent out when he was like, open the fucking straight you crazy bastards. I mean, that was a different level of aggression. So he's become more aggressive, more grandiose, the post of him being Jesus Christ. Now, what do we do? What does the country do? I mean, this is that was a question obviously with with with Biden and it was not not answered in the satisfactory manner. So this is this is a kind of a separate question from Trump himself. Although Trump is now the other prime piece of evidence. But what happens when the president of the United States goes mad? Now, that this is one of these hypothetical questions that has long been asked, long been and various times madness has been hinted at. But never has there been a situation where we have figured out how to address this. Never. Doesn't. So what do we do? We have two and a half years left of this term and a president who is significant. I mean, in which there is every reason to believe and for every reasonable person to believe that something has something is seriously off here and dangerous and really dangerous because he's careened us into a war that the country doesn't understand and that he hasn't explained the reason for. And that he can't get out of. And that he can't get out. We're in a situation he cannot get out of, which we will obviously get to in this discussion. Right. And he's now blockaded the Strait of Hormuz. So no tankers are going in and out effectively closing down 20% of the world's oil supply. So is this a cabinet? This has to come from the cabinet, doesn't it? Well, theoretically, but obviously it can come from leaders in the Congress. I mean, I think it comes from all over. I mean, as it did with Biden, I mean, it kind of percolates up and becomes an unavoidable thing. I mean, there are kind of two steps. It's unavoidable. There it is. We all see it. And then what to do about it? I mean, what to do about it is... Well, this must be... It's unknown. When you're having conversations with people at the White House, are they all saying... Denial. They're all in denial. They're all saying he's absolutely fine. I mean, this is big. I mean, even to people who are having relatively frank discussions with me. And these are people, again, who I've known for a long time. And it's... We're all in this together sense, and everybody acknowledges that Trump is unique. Let's put it that way. But this goes a step further. I mean, to begin to accept that, that the country's president, and in this case, the country's strongman, the man at the center of everything who has put himself at the center of everything, is off his rocker, is a seriously new ballgame. Well, what was interesting about Biden, too, was the timing. So, it all became really evident that his team around him were very successful in hiding it for the most part. So, there were sort of loud whispers, but nobody had really called it until maybe a few people had warned about it. But it was during the debate, which was obviously in the run-up to the election, that it became completely evident. And then there was the opportunity to do something about it, which is what happened because of the timing. As you say, we've got two and a half years still to go. But we do have the midterms, and House Republicans are clearly feeling an enormous amount of pressure. This war is unpopular. Prices are up. Gas is up. Ice is taking their friends and neighbors and putting them in detention. So, how... Hold on, hold on. Are they exerting pressure on their leaders? Is this something that Mike Johnson and John Fuhn should be handling? No, no. Well, they should, but they won't. But they won't. They won't. They're just... And I feel for it. There is no model for this. There is no... I mean, politics is a... Politics is a pattern. Politics is doing what has been done before. That's the nature of it. And that's actually good. In Trump, what's bad about Trump, or one of the things, the many things that's bad about Trump is that he follows none of those rules and patterns. But those guys do. So, they literally have no idea. I mean, they have as little idea as we might have. So, there's no professional level here of process, of approach, of analysis. Nobody knows. So, let's go to the political side, because ultimately, that's the only way we have of dealing with this is to vote against him and vote against his party. So, I mean, I think this defeat of Victor Orban is a kind of... It's a formal moment in the history of Trumpism and MAGA and populism in general. And one of the things that it says is that the enthusiasm for this, whatever emotions this harness has run its course. It's run and I think politics now really, as much as at any time, exists as a set of global themes. And so, that theme, the theme as it's played out in Hungary, which is why so many MAGA people embraced Victor, so many American MAGA people embraced Victor Orban, is that that theme has very much played out here. And so, it's completely... I mean, I think it would be ridiculous not to acknowledge this, and I think all of the MAGA people are acknowledging this, that if it has run its course there and Orban has been ahead of... He was... Well, he's been in power for 16 years. Trump before Trump. So the Trump before Trump is out now that Trump, who is Trump, is up for reevaluation, let's say. Well... It's Toyota Truck Month. Time to get a truck that works as hard as you do. Tacoma, Tundra, built for the work site, ready for the trail, and packed with tech that makes every drive smarter. Available with 360-degree panoramic cameras for perfect visibility in tight spots, powered tailgate for easy loading, and a high-tech connected screen to keep you on the grid no matter where you are. 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The only thing that you can say is that he was an Orban partisan for a good part of his the last many years, but then he very much broke from Orban, pronounced Orban the problem, pronounced the whole range of Orban policies, anti-democratic. And basically came out that guy is an authoritarian and a crypto-fascist and drawing the line there. Now, so it would be interesting to see is there someone in the Republican Party who's going to draw that line. I mean, we're not seeing anything like that yet. We are seeing the people to the right of Trump, the MAGA people trying to... What are they? I mean, essentially, they're trying to clear the way of Trump for more MAGA policy. So it's a different dynamic. But nevertheless, it is what we are... I think the point that we are at right now is an understanding that something is going wrong here, something is going wrong mentally with Trump, something is going wrong on a broad range of policy issues with Trump, something is going wrong with the way the Trump base is now looking at Trump. This... I mean, I've said before and I want to keep saying it again, the story that we are now seeing is the eclipse of Trump. That's what we're... That's the dramatic story that's going on every day. And I wonder if the people sitting around him and dealing with him on a daily basis, if they're all internally thinking, is there a moment when I come forward and deliver the first knife into his chest, whatever that looks like? The problem with that is that none of these people have a separate political life from Donald Trump. They are... And this is the nature of this beast, is they go down with the ship. Is it possible to break from Donald Trump? I don't really see that it is. Of course, we have the mega people who have broken from Donald Trump and that's a different... That's a variation on a theme, but it's significantly different one. I mean, they are... That's just the right-wing factionalization. But also, if you're JD Vance, you probably know that you're not popular enough to pull off some outrageous coup that we really certainly haven't seen in modern American politics where I guess you just declare it and say you won't hear a theft. That's not going to happen in a million years. I guess Rubio might think that he has a big enough base among Latino voters and neocons and institutional conservatives who don't like Donald Trump to think that he might be able to pull it off. Pull what off? Pull off saying the president's brain is missing and we need... Forget about it. Let's not even go there. It's just a waste of time. It's not even a... It can't happen because it's never happened because no one would know how to make it happen. These are not... Marco Rubio is not Mr. Rebel and Mr. Brilliant political strategist to figure that out. No one is going to figure that out. What Marco Rubio is hoping is that Donald Trump can limp along and his own base as you describe it then will be there to give him the support so as Donald Trump fades as a lame duck presence, Marco Rubio will rise. Now, I find that also doubtful, but that's the singular path he sees for himself. Well, I know the American and the British systems are different, but no one ever would have thought that Margaret Thatcher would be taken down in the way that she was. It came as a surprise. It was quick. It was swift. I'm just going to tell you, it's not even worth going there. Okay. It just doesn't... It sets up a kind of thing, a scenario that will never happen. You have to just accept the fact that there are things that cannot happen in life. We can't fly. We can't get rid of the president via the 25th Amendment. Not going to happen. So what else? So deal with the reality of what this... Well, the reality is that one person who feels they have nothing to lose or who feels they're ambitious enough or feels they can see the crack in the window pushes against it. It takes one person and then everybody falls in behind them. That's what I think could happen, and I don't think it's an impossibility. I think people have a way of surprising it. It is an absolute possibility. It doesn't take one person. That's also a misunderstanding. It takes many, many, many, many people working in concert, and we just haven't seen any indication of that other than on the far right. So I think it is true. I mean, I think his erratic behavior is just one other element that erodes his standing in popularity and his polls, and even creates the possibility that he will lose the Senate. So if he loses both houses of Congress, then it's a kind of a different story about what's going to happen here, but that's on the other side of next November. Well, all I would say is that the thing that Donald Trump has done is made people look at politics differently, and I think there are probably people out there looking at Donald Trump. The tape would be Trump falling down the stairs of Air Force One, and goodness knows we saw Biden doing that, although he would fall up them oddly. But you can see Trump clinging on for dear life. It's such a good metaphor of him coming down the stairs. Do you think this is why Melania gave her peculiar statement last week? Well... I've never known Jeffrey Epstein. Who is Jeffrey Epstein? I've never heard of him. No photos exist of me and Jeffrey Epstein AI. It still is a remarkable development. So in terms of who could pull the cord on Donald Trump or push him down the stairs, there actually probably is one person. It is his wife. She could just pull her hand away as he's clinging to her as they walk down Air Force One steps, which do look treacherous. I think that is what she's doing. For all the analysis of that statement and all of the theories, none of which have been specifically borne out, by the way, I still think the more and more the most credible one is that this is just another aspect of things falling apart. She wants to distance herself. She wants to set herself up as very much separate from her husband, the president. She has her own life, her own career, her own dreams, and she does not want to be pulled down by him. Now if all that were true, would I have done what she did? No, because it just confused the situation and seemed to attach her more clearly to these issues. But nobody has ever said she's the brightest bulb in the world. Well, and maybe she's just thinking, I want the worst. I want the worst. I mean, she may just want out at this point. And as you pointed out, she's got her own brand now. She's got Melania the Butch. She's got Melania the Movie. She could have Melania the Website. We've had Melania the Meme Coin, though sadly it hasn't done as well as perhaps she'd hoped. I think it was a 90% drop in value. But she could have... Yeah, no, Melania the Divorce, I think would be a major story. Melania the Divorce? I mean, that would be the thing that would propel her into a whole new level of notoriety and maybe even sympathy. Introducing Home Care Plus, a new subscription service from Lowe's that helps make life easier by giving members a hand with home maintenance. Let Lowe's tackle the tasks you keep meaning to do, like electric dryer vent cleaning, replacing hard to reach light bulbs, and more. Subscribe to Home Care Plus for just $99 a year and consider your to-do list done. Members get more at Lowe's. Available on select zip codes on the cancel anytime, non-refundable fee, product purchase required, terms and service restrictions applied, details at Lowe's.com slash terms. Subject to change. It's hard to think of being sympathetic to Melania Trump. But who knows? Yes. There weren't many people that came out and analyzed her statements sympathetically. I think most of them felt she was trying to distance herself from a terrible story, but also fascinating to bring it back into the public eye. And of course, he said that he wouldn't have probably done it like that. He talked to her for two minutes. You said you probably thought they didn't talk at all. The whole thing is very bizarre, very bizarre, but she clearly doesn't like him. No, well I think we should concentrate on the bizarreness and keep that in mind. Bizarre things don't happen, bizarre things happen as a reflection of something else. And so what is she doing here? And I don't believe, well, we don't have particular reason to believe that it involves getting ahead of any one particular story. It may be setting herself up for something else, but it just all may be a sign of things falling apart. I think it's Melania at QVC. She wants her own brand, her own channel on QVC, Hawking Christmas decorations and little wooden chashkas from Slovenia. Yes, but I'm not sure this gets her. This gets her as this just made her formally, directly, dramatically part of the Epstein story. Right, right. So why, well, we'll continue. I mean, this is not going away, this story. The Melania story, the marriage story, I think remains one of those fundamental black holes of the Trump administration, which we should address some time. Yeah, I was going to say, after we spoke on Saturday, I thought we should do a special episode which is just focused on their marriage. What do we know? And we should take it from the moment that they met through to her coming out and saying, I never know, Jeffery Epstein, he is my husband is unifier. He is unifier. Yeah, you know, I mean, I have a sub-stack piece part of these Epstein diaries that I'm writing that's up this week. And it's about the 80s and 90s, which is that exact moment when Melania comes into the picture. Basically, the moment that she's, that the point about that statement was pay no attention to the 1990s. And so, but it is very much that moment in time, which defines Epstein, defines Trump, and I think defines Melania. And there's a wonderful anecdote in that piece, which I did enjoy. I'm very much enjoying that series. And I, what I particularly like is the, is the literary illusions you make in it. But there's a great detail of where Trump and Epstein go to look at a property that Trump's father has insisted he go to look at in Brooklyn. And he, Epstein has said, well, I'll come with you, but I'm not going to be friends with you if you invest in property in Brooklyn. And Trump goes, I just have to go because my dad tells me. So Trump arrives in a limo with a soft top and he leans out the top. And there he sees Jeffrey Epstein standing with two girls. And each of the girls has an Irish wolfhound on a leash. A Russian wolfhound. Oh, a Russian wolfhound. Sorry, I didn't even, okay. And more. It's even, you know, a grander. It's a Russian wolfhound even bigger than an Irish wolfhound. I didn't even know that were Russian wolfhounds. Perhaps that's why I read over that. Yeah, I think maybe the Russian wolfhound are what we now call a boorzoi. Well, I have no idea what a boorzoi is, but a Russian wolfhound sounds terrifying. It's actually a very impressive looking dog. Oh, it is. Okay. Well, he turns up with him and Trump says, no dogs, no dogs. And Jeffrey Epstein says, no dogs, no girls. And so inevitably the dogs get in the car with the girls. And in fact, I remember a story that the model Cleo Glyde told us of how she went to Trump's house with Jeffrey Epstein. And Epstein made her and another friend both dress up as if they were nurses, because he liked the idea of arriving at Donald Trump's Trump Tower appointment with two women, one on each arm is my point, that clearly Epstein liked traveling in a pack. Anyway, what do we know about your case? And of course, there's been the case against the Wall Street Journal that Trump bought against Rupert Merdox Journal for writing about the birthday letter and the birthday book has been thrown out. Remember, he was suing them for $15 million. It's obviously very relevant to my lawsuit against Milani of Trump. So the Wall Street Journal published this birthday letter from that Trump had written to Epstein. And this was a book that had been put together for his 50th birthday by Gillian Maxwell. And it was just pages. In 2003, yes. And it was pages and pages of people saying, Jeffrey, we love you. And in fact, quite a few people have ended up losing their jobs over it. Peter Mandelson, the former British ambassador to Washington being first among them. So the anyway, they they they reproduced the Trump Trump's letter to to Epstein. And then Trump declared, I didn't write that. That's not from me. Although no one else of them, of the many, many, you know, significant 100 letters from other friends, everyone acknowledged they were that they were. They were they were that they had been sent by by them. They were the letters were only only Trump is saying, no, no, that's not that's fake. So and then he sued them. Now, the suit and remember, this is against this suit is against the background of of of so many other media organizations that he has sued and media organizations that capitulated to him, ABC, CBS, I mean, all disgraceful, cowardly, capitulated to him. And the Wall Street Journal did not. You know, Rupert Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch, all you might say about Rupert Murdoch has been doing this for a long time. He doesn't capitulate. So so the suit went up. But the suit was the very nature of the suit was intended to intimidate. That's what Trump does. That's the pattern that he's that he's established. You media organization are going to say something about me that I don't like. And I am then going to do things which will be incredibly unpleasant to you and very costly. That's intimidation. Even though, and this is the key point, I don't have a I don't have a reasonable case. And this was thrown out just on the most basic grounds. And this is what he has done in so many instances and including that the threat to me and this came through his wife, but it came through lawyers that represent Donald Trump. And that was, you know, a billion dollars. We're going to we're going to sue you for a billion dollars unless you retract what you've said here. And a series of they a series of those letters, many letters like that have gone out to many people. And and they usually capitulate because, you know, it's it's to be sued for a billion dollars is not fun to be sued by the president United States is is not fun. I, on the other hand, just because because I'm not an organization, because you're not going to get a billion dollars out of me and no matter what happens. And because I've spent my life involved with, you know, with these kinds of First Amendment issues and have a set of lawyers who have been long time my long time lawyers who also have been involved in these issues. And and the decision was, well, screw it, you know, you can't do this. This is not this is this is neither right nor legal. And in the state of New York, there are specific laws against this specific laws about about trying to intimidate people in the exercise of their free speech rights. And that's you can't do it. New York State says you can't do it. So we sued under under those those laws. And and and and I expect that the same issues will present themselves as presented themselves in the Wall Street Journal case, that there is absolutely no basis on which on which to wage or threaten to wage a libel suit. This episode is brought to you by MGM Plus from and its whores returns for season four, centered around a town that traps all those who enter terrifying creatures that come out at night. Horrors some wished had stayed buried, where desperate hope leads to darker truths, dangerous new arrivals, a sinister figure, a shocking revelation from season four, premieres April 19th on MGM Plus. Some doors should remain closed. So on Saturday, when you were giving us an update on the case, you said you were expecting a decision any moment. You've raised almost a million dollars on a GoFundMe with, I think you said 25,000 people donating because these things are expensive, lawyers are expensive. And also this is time consuming. Any any indication of when you're going to hear? No, and there is no no. I mean, I keep calling my lawyers and keep saying, so so. Do we know anything? Do we know anything? And and all we know is that we have no power over this, that this is absolutely in the hands of a judge, a judge who can take a day, a week, a month, months to make a decision. The wrinkle in this in this case is that this is a Trump appointed judge who certainly if I were a Trump appointed judge, I would not want to be ruling against the president's wife. But we have no reason to believe that that is that's a factor either. What we do know is that there are complicated issues here that that that judges take, you know, may well take a long time to sort. So we don't know. So again, what what's the answer today, tomorrow, next week, next month? I guess we only know that a decision will at some point be forthcoming. Well, the wheels of the law grind slowly, as we know. So do you ever use DoorDash? No, no, no. Do you even know what DoorDash is? I do know what it is. Yes. Yeah, because I bet your kids use DoorDash. I don't do take out food. Of course you don't do. But I bet your kids do. Have your kids ever used DoorDash? No, my my you think my 10 year old is going to be on the phone with DoorDash? No, but from your first family, I was thinking your kids in their 30s. I am my my older children are old enough so that they don't consult me about their food or lifestyle choices. Funny enough, I don't do take out very much either or almost never. But the president apparently did. And did you see the DoorDash? It was supposed to be a stunt for the president to talk about his no tax on tips, because of course we're approaching tax day or it might even be tax day. And oh, it's tomorrow. Is it, you know, an excuse for an incomprehensible form to be filled in? It's just shockingly complicated. Anyway, a grandmother who was delivering DoorDash to the president got caught in an awkward exchange with him. Did you see it? I didn't. It was fascinating. Actually, she arrives at the Oval Office with a plastic bag full of whatever they'd ordered. And he immediately says to her with all the cameras present. And she's obviously been told, oh, you just need to go to the White House, meet the president. He'll say that we're not going to tax tips. And this is a great moment for you. And he promptly says to her, what do you think about trans people in sports? And the poor woman says, you know, well, I've got no views on that. I thought I was here to discuss no tax on tips. So Trump sort of lectures her. And then finally, a journalist says to him, have you given her a tip? Because he totally forgotten he was going to give her a tip or perhaps thought he was going to get away with not giving her a tip. So he gives her a hundred dollar bill. Then it transpires that she is a grandmother. And of course, all hell breaks out on social media because this is what the country has come to. Grandmothers, our grandparents are still working and having to deliver food to make ends meet. So it was a bit of a... A political... Thank you. I was going to say, it's not a home goal. It's an own goal, which is it when you kick your own ball into your own goal? That's your country's game. Yeah. Well, anyway. But it's also another illustration of completely erratic behavior. Why would he ask this person about trans anything? Because it just doesn't... It's just things free floating in his head. They come out like... I remember when my own mother was entering a severe dementia. The things that would come out were kind of extraordinary and had no... One thought was seldom connected to another thought. Well, you can see the grandiosity. You can see the aggression. You can see the lack of inhibition, all of which are symptoms of early onset dementia. We know his father had dementia. I mean, Mary Trump talks about looking at Donald Trump and seeing the look in his eyes that her grandfather had. As you say, families know, people know who've dealt with a relative. You see the signs and you can see it in other people. It's not something that... I don't think Mary Trump at this point is going to start to say nice things about Donald Trump. So... But what she does have is a very strong memory of watching her grandfather lose his marbles. And she may not have a good relationship with Donald Trump, but what she talks very convincingly about is seeing the same family trait begin to emerge. And that's the same trait that the New York Times has finally noticed. The man is erratic and he's also president of the United States and leader of the free world. Yeah, well, and that other just... And we've talked about this before, but I find it one of the rate limits on understanding this moment in time is the New York Times' lack of the language to express what's going on. How do you find the context for describing the President of the United States that the President of the United States, you know, that there might be a civil emergency here and now? And I don't think that the New York Times has to treat the White House, Donald Trump's White House, Donald Trump the President of the United States as a reasonable enterprise. Because if you stop seeing it as a reasonable enterprise, that is a civil emergency. Well, Jamie Raskin, as you know, called last week for Donald Trump to take a cognitive test and for the results to be made public. So clearly there are moves in Congress to move on this. But even that's a problem there because what that does, and the Democrats have consistently done this, is they don't have the language to express this. So that just seems like another anti-Trump partisan Trump derangement syndrome kind of thing. It becomes meaningless. It's like impeaching him twice, meaningless. It's like putting him on trial four times, meaningless. And the Democrats were going to have to sort this through if they do win in November, then they're in the hot seat. How do they approach Trump without extending him another platform on which to dramatize being Donald Trump, which is what he consistently does, to inexplicably positive effect? Well, perhaps you've just given people the language we're facing a civil emergency. Well, that's not where we're expecting to end. A civil emergency. We're facing a civil emergency. Oh, Lordy, Lordy Michael. We will be back on Thursday, all being well. The lights may be off. We may have no fuel because of the Strait of Hormuz, although I know America is energy independent for anybody writes into correct me. Yeah, and we didn't get into that in which we should have because we're now overlooking the central emergency of the moment. Donald Trump is in a situation which he can't get out of and which he quite likely seems to be making significantly worse. 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