Red Sox Swept by Astros and Fall to 1-5 // Mazz’s Tiers // Carlos Narvaez Scratch from Wednesday’s Game - 4/2 (Hour 1)

We have a show to do today. The whole new acronym thing drives me effing benign. Can we call him by his name? Shell, here in man, I'm not 85, the sports hub. Let's go. You obviously don't want to overreact to the first six games of the season at the same time, you know. Is it, you know, kind of a... Our win series, don't look at the whole picture. That's the way you come out of stuff like this. Just win series, right? We got the Padres, we got the Brewers. Win those two series home and then go on the road and do the same thing. You know, it's April 1st, right? It's the first game of April. Win 17 games this month and, you know, you're going to be okay. How come I can't say the word? Under siege. Under siege, Alex Cora, I should say, is Red Sox off to a borderline disastrous start to their season, just a weekend to the year. And that's where we begin, Mas. What's your lead takeaway with where Alex Cora stands right now? And you really want to hit on the benching of Narvayas yesterday? Yes, because I think it's all related. At least it is in the minds of the Red Sox. I'm not telling you one necessarily leads to the other all the time, but I think there's something going on internally over there that makes me wonder about what the healthy issues are and how the Red Sox intend to address them. So here's what it comes down to. Before yesterday's game, before the game. So not six games into the season five. It happened before the game. Carlos Narvayas is in the starting lineup to catch Garro Crochet on the final game of a road trip. He is then removed from the lineup and I don't want to say scratched because when someone is scratched, usually it suggests there's an injury or something pop up. So he was removed from the lineup. Cora was asked about it, gave a very cryptic answer and said nothing about the player's health or well-being just said it was the right thing to do. And I'm paraphrasing, but the essence of the comment was it's early in the year. It's the right thing to do, which said to me he was sending some kind of message, which neither he nor anybody in the organization has disputed. So Narvayas was asked about it after the game and he said the same thing. Well, Cora said we're going to keep between us. We're going to keep it between us. So here's what I'm getting at and Murray raised this point in a brief conversation we had off the air yesterday and we never really got to it because obviously the game was going on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Alex Cora could have hidden that decision in any one of a million ways. He could have said, yeah, he got to the ballpark today and he was sick. He had the flu. His back acted up. It's not something that's happened to him before, but you know, we're going to hold him out early in the year. We get an off day tomorrow, which probably happens all the time. Right. Could have been, I mean, meaning a manager is disciplining a player and just covers for him. Absolutely. They could have covered it a million ways. Here's what else we know. Narvaez is one of probably the most well liked guys on the team by teammates and media alike, as well as I think coaches and executives. He's very well respected. He's regarded as a hard worker, not someone who's lazy. And so I don't think he's the kind of guy that has a history of coming to the ballpark late or anything like that. So I'm just trying to give you all the background first. So why did Alex Cora go public with it? Effectively. Yeah. Go public with it. Why did he put it out there and let everyone know about it? And I think my two cents. He doesn't like something about the way his team is going about its business early in the year. One of the things that Cora really liked, and I think they all liked last year and I say they, meaning the people in management and ownership and the coaching staff, the decision makers. One of the things they liked is that Alex Bregman was a pro. He was a leader. He came to the ballpark prepared and early and ready to go and set a standard and was focused on baseball and went over scouting reports and video and have little pointers on things you could do against a certain opponent. He was a ball player, hardcore, into it, ball player. Now they don't have that guy anymore. So is it Narvayas? Is it Trevor Story? Is it, it can't be a pitcher really. It's got to be more of a positional player. So they have, it could be Contreras, but he's new. He just got here 10 minutes ago. So he's played six games with the organization again, five at the time. Why did Cora put that out there? And something suggests to me that there was some pattern or behavior early in the year when Cora said, enough of this. We're not focused enough. We're not paying attention to the details. Guys are coming and going when they please. You know, we're not reading the scouting reports. We're challenging in the third inning on the first pitch of an at bat. In the case of Sonan Raffaella, I'm tired of it. So I want to know, to me, I want to get to the bottom of that. Well, it's clear there's something there. And I think he did it to send a message. And for all the things that Maz rattled off that Cora could have said as to why he benched Narvayas yesterday. He had one baked in. He didn't need to use any kind of injury excuse or anything like that. Conor Wong is one of the only guys who's actually produced lately for this team at the plate. He could have just said, Hey, you know what, I'm going to go with Wong today because he's one of the guys that's actually hitting for us. So, you know, managerial decision, bang bang boom. There you go. And people wouldn't have. I mean, I think this show and people more savvy fans would have raised an eyebrow and said, Oh, that's a little odd. But most people would have just taken it at face value and said, Oh, yeah, no, Wong's actually been doing something. So that's why he's starting today. He didn't use that that alibi or excuse. No, he put that out there because I'm with Maz. He's doing this to shake up the room, essentially. Does that's all? Does it does this whole thing? Have you concerned you added to the list of reasons why you would be concerned this year? Are you concerned about this year? No. Yes. We can. Like five games, someone got benched. Five games. The baseball season 162 and any time a team starts bad, particularly one that has talent and is good. What do they tell you? We'll be okay. It's a long way to go. If this happened in July, no one would care. You get that same old routine rigmarole answers bull crap. You know, it's we're fine. Okay. There's no panic. But in this case, Cora pressed the button. No, look, you may like Corey. You may not like Cora. I'm not telling you Corey did the right thing by pressing the button. I'm just telling you that it happened. That's all. And the fact that it happened to me is not immaterial. In fact, it tells me something's going on there. Something is happening internally that the manager doesn't like. So what is it? So I would definitely be concerned. And I, I personally started to look at it a little side-eyed when I just, you know, at the end of spring training decided to engage on the roster and the moves they had made. And I, it just looked to me like they hadn't really improved the roster. They made it deeper, but not any better. No ceiling on that roster is what sort of concerned me. And now that we're a weekend, there's been no move to be better where they were lacking in the year before. They're still getting off to slow starts. They're still striking out. They're still fielding poorly after promising to make more contact and be a run prevention team. So I, did they even try? And if they tried, it hasn't worked. That's a bad sign. And furthermore, when you, you know, look, I don't think they're done, but it is sort of reinforcing the concerns that I had. And I, I don't think they're done because it's a long season. And they call them averages for a reason. That whole thing, obviously, obviously. But when you're a good team, as good teams don't have many stretches where they lose five or six or, you know, when they last won the World Series, did they not have a three game losing streak the entire year? I think that, well, that was, well, that's right. Yeah. 2018 something like that. You know, there's, there's, there's numbers like this that back it up. I don't have the exact ones, but you all know what I'm talking about. Like championship caliber teams don't have long losing streaks. Typically, they don't have very many stretches where they lose seven of eight, or, you know, they just don't have many bad weeks. They're bad weeks or 500. Their losing streaks are two, three games. And that's it. You know what I mean? Those are the elite teams. Yeah, the 2018 team had a three game losing streak just twice. And that's it. That's it. Right. They never lost four in a row. I think that that there's some commonality there to a lot and certainly not all champions, but a lot of champions, I think have that have that thing. And so you've already had it. You know, Alex Spear wrote this in the Boston Globe as well. The Red Sox have had one win or no wins through the first six games of the season, 14 times in franchise history. They miss the playoffs every single time. The last six times when the team endured such a dramatic face plant out of the blocks, their season concluded with organizational shake ups that concluded with the departure of either head of baseball operations, 2019 Dave Dombrovsky, 1958 Joe Cronin, although I'm sure they didn't call him a CBO back then. The manager that happened in 2012 with Bobby Valentine happened in 96 with Kevin Kennedy. It happened in 66 with Billy Herman, or both the manager and the CBO 2011 Terry Francona and Theo Epstein. So 13 for 13. They've never recovered from this kind of opening in franchise history. Now some of those happened in the pre wildcard era, or maybe even the pre divisional era. So it's not totally apples to apples. But I just sort of use that as a guide. Really good teams typically don't have really bad even stretches. Some do. I'm not saying that's an absolute. But you know what I mean? The last time they won the World Series, they had only two, three game losing streaks and that was it. Correct. So they've already had this out of the gates. But all that being said, there's wildcards and there's, you know, you can get into the playoffs with 88 wins. I still think they can get to that level. But can they get any more? Can they get any? Can they? Is there any ceiling to this team? And I don't think there is. I don't think there is on the roster, mostly primarily. And that's a big bulk of it. But they're also not making any improvements on the things they had to improve. Correct. So where's the optimism coming from? I don't have it. I think, you know, they could have the pitching depth that they say they have. But the upside, I don't know where the upside is. Yeah, I'm not sure it is there. I think there are, look, there are a lot of ways to look at this. Some of it is a roster issue. There's no question. They, and I don't know any other way to say it than the way we've been talking about it, which is to say they had two clear primary needs, a number two starter behind Garrocochet, an additional right handed bat in the middle of the lineup. And again, in addition to Roman Anthony Alex Brighman, In addition to, I would just say, putting the bat on the ball more consistently and fielding the ball cleaner. Yes. And they're over five. Yes. Over six, over. They've whipped on all of them. They've whipped on all of them. None of it. Right. And, and yet in the same breath, I will tell you, they still should, even if they whipped on some of those, they shouldn't be one in five either. Like there's enough there for them to be better than one in five. So the one in five to me suggests problems on every level. And what you're talking about the talent and then the attitude, the makeup, like something's going on there. And then something stinks. Right. They're already out, not showing up. We are coming in late showing up late. What they're already doing that thing five games in five games. Meanwhile, if you're a player in Alex course as it's high, you guys pay attention, lock in. Isn't your first answer. Well, Alex, can you count to three? Because no one on the bench and no one on your staff realized there were three strikes the other night in a crucial at bat. So where are you? Where's Alex core? Where's where's his head? Another good one. So what a start. Unbelievable. Your thoughts 617779 0985 to you right after this. 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I always said the pitching might be better with season, but how the hell are they going to score runs? Score runs. They can't even get on base. Never mind school runs. They're going to get their ass kicked and they're going into the play in the Padres game. They're going to get a penalty. They're going to get a penalty. They're going to get a penalty line up. What the socks are rolling out there because that thing yesterday was pathetic. How about not just may as the. The sign. Uh what the Narvae is benching represents. You know, something's going on there. The it's not a professional clubhouse or. Whatever. They're F and off already. How about taking him away from Garrett a message, you put your one reliable guy in a position to fail because you don't have his guy. Exactly right. It's really a counterproductive move. Should Cora have waited to send his message? Yeah. Or chosen someone else? Maybe. I mean, yeah. You had a day off to yell at everybody. That's today. If you wanted to send some sort of message, you know? I mean, I'm not going to stand in the way of that argument. I mean, you know, I would also tell you, like, I'm more interested in the why sometimes. So when I say that, I mean, and he still did it. In other words, he knew that it was crochet's guy. Yeah. And he still did it. So something went up his ass. Well, he also sat Meyer. He also sat Anthony and then hit them late. Hit him late. But which tells you what does that tell you? No, no, no. When I'm saying he hit them late, I mean that usually if you want to give a guy a day off, it's not a day off. It's something else. Exactly. It's not actually if it's the day before an off day, because you look at it and say, OK, well, he's going to give those guys two days off, bring him back on Friday fresh, ready to go. Sometimes manager will say, it's been a long spring, whatever. Fine. But so we're going to give him a break here. And then with the off day, they get two days off. He didn't do that with those guys. He put him in the game late. Maybe they all went to Poundtown there, Murray. Yeah. I listened to Krabis last night. We'll play some of his cuts coming up. I mean, I didn't imply Poundtown, but something in that locker room with the way they're carrying themselves. There was some sort of message in there on top of the fact that they have their heads up their head. I just think Coro would be on firmer ground if his head wasn't up his ass too. That thing the other night with the losing track of the count is really damning on him, on him and his staff. In there a guy, then every major league team has someone charting pitches like old school or they automate that too. You know, but isn't there someone who's charting pitches on every high school baseball bench? Isn't there someone charting pitches? Yeah. And in that guys was, oh, there's two strikes, quick whistle. That was strike three. No one on the bench. No one on Alex Coro's staff was there to do that. Never mind the nine guys out on the field. To me, the four names at the top of the list and you can put them in any area you want. Coro, Andrew Bailey, Bayo and Narvias or might have been Wong behind the plate. It was Wong. Okay. So the pitcher, the catcher, the pitching coach and the manager, the pitcher and the catcher every at bat, those guys should know the count of every at bat without even blinking about the difference between one and one and oh and two massive is everything. Look at the numbers on those two counts. And if you're the battery, how are you not? Oh yeah. Okay. We just kicked the ball all over the infield, but we got this bum. We're going to punch him out. Exactly. Right. It's the first thing you go to when you're deciding what the next pitch is. Where are we? We're rolling to okay. I gotta, you know, I gotta keep one out of the strike zones. Even get him to chase. I mean, it sounds like a oddity or just a quirk or one of those things, but it's also really telling. Yes. Stephen Hall. Go ahead, Steve. Hi, Mike. Actually, it's worse than you think. Um, this. We don't get that very often, by the way. No, very rarely. This team is constructed. Obviously has built up a lot of pitching depth. The problem is going in the next year, they're only going to have one spot in the rotation, assuming they're not going to exercise sunny grace, $35 million option. Every other spot in the lineup is contractually obligated for next year, including two more years of story, one more year of your sheet. What are you going to do? You're going to have to trade a bunch of stuff to fix this. Okay. We'll worry about next year when we get to next year. They're going to have a season. And I think what's worth discussing is how they set themselves up for this season. Yes. Last year should have been a nice stepping stone. You finally got back to the post season. Your young players established themselves. You had some things to build on yet and ace at the front of the rotation, et cetera. They're like a half dozen things that you could say, okay, we're here and now we use that to make the next step. And they didn't. They did not make the next step as an organization. And that's regardless of if they get back into this and their record, you know, straightens out. I expect their record to straighten out, but they did not get any better. They did not. I don't think they're going to go anywhere at the end of the day because I don't think they're any better. And I don't think they're teaching it any different or improving where they needed to improve. I mean, I haven't seen it yet. I know it's early, but I don't know. All of a sudden they're going to start hitting for contact and fielding the ball. Dexter in the car. Go ahead, Dexter. Yeah, call it. You think that's bad? We got about seven more years at Caleb Durbin. So that's sick. I think this Red Sox team is going to be the first team in history that needs to wear their helmets in the field as well as at the plate because they're playing that idiotic right now. I cannot believe what I'm watching about five years ago. Tom Warner said they were going to get enhanced in field instruction and that would improve their record. Did they forget about that too? Because that never came to fruition. I think, you know, something drastic needs to happen. Someone gets fired or they need to make a big trade here. It's looking that bad. Remember the enhanced infield instruction. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, just that alone, we would have won 85 games or whatever that comment was. Right. Yeah. And so I was looking up a lot of different things on the Red Sox this morning and, you know, last night since they last won the World Series. That was 2018. Okay, this is now the eighth season since that time. They've made more errors than any team in baseball. Eight years. Is that right? Eight years. Now, it wasn't as bad in 2019, but we're talking going on a decade now where they can't catch the effin ball. They can't throw it. They don't make good decisions on where to send it. They're throwing to the wrong base or the pitchers cutting off the second baseman and knocking it towards the dugout or it's some sort of assinine, stupid Mickey Mouse baseball play or their center fielder who hits ninth challenges a first pitch of an at bat in the third inning of a one nothing game with nobody on. What are you guys thinking? Is anybody's head in the game? Anybody's had it all. Red Sox posted last year a 23% strikeout rate, which was the 10th worst in Major League Baseball last year, 23%. They vowed to put the ball in play more often, writes Alex Spear. Instead, they've struck out at a 29% clip so far this season. So they're striking out more than they did last year. Sixth most in the game right now. And in the last five games, they have 60 strikeouts 12 again. And by the way, in the in the Houston series, each game, this is game by game 121313. It's not like they had 18 in one game 121313. No, they're consistent. 17 runs through six games. That's their fewest since they played at 16 runs during their own six start in 2011. Remember what happened in 2011? Yeah, everybody have fired at the end of the year. Drunk and fat is what that team was exactly right. And they straightened out to and had a season and then collapse at the end. Defense has committed six errors so far. One again. Yep. No, no, it's again, I'm telling you, what have they done well? I think there's like, there like one or two guys tops who played pretty well. A brain who's been great. A brain on Connelly early. That's pretty much it. I mean, crochet one on one. Yeah. And Connelly early was pretty good. But you know, like, but that's it. Who else? Who's who who's played well more your thoughts after picture Murray gets you updated here. Who's watching your network when the threats come fast? Who detects, responds and shuts attacks down day and night? Who powers advanced protection with Barracuda XDR before damage is done? Serving New England for 30 years, access security trust intrasystems.com. The more I think on it, the more it sounds like the showing up late thing was a maybe a universal problem and he just picked him. Like if everyone's showing up late, it's like, you know, because if he's being looked at now as a new leader on the team, and that's the guy, it's like, well, then you have to leave. If you want to consider yourself a leader, well, they're going to follow you. So if you show up late once, they're going to think it's okay to show up late here and there. So if you're going to be the leader of this staff, you show up late, especially after losing force straight and it's a Garrett crochet start. Okay, now we have to set an example. That's the only thing that makes sense because I can't imagine that this was a continuous issue with Narvaez. There was a lack of professionalism that Cora has identified on this team, and he's trying to nip it in the bud. That would be my guess. There was a hint of that during spring training as well. I'm not saying Carlos Narvaez. That was not on my radar, but there was a hint of that in spring training. Of a team wide lack of professionalism. It was one guy, but it wasn't Narvaez. Okay. The one guy? Tristan Cassis. Meyer. I was going to guess Meyer. Cora was busting his balls the entire spring. Right. He was doing that last year too, though. I mean, it feels like they're keeping, he had been keeping that job like a dangling carrot in front of Marcelo Meyer two years now. But I think there were questions about Meyer's approach, don't you think? Yes. Yep, I do. And so now again, I'm not telling you I entirely agree with this, but fans will say, well, that's Cora's job to which I'd partly agree. Every manager I've ever been around says the same thing. It's got to come from inside the clubhouse. The manager can only get on a guy, and I'm just telling you what a manager says. I'm not telling you, I fully believe it. A manager will tell you that he can only get on a guy's ass so often that players are usually most accountable to other players. And if there is a, you know, you have to play for each other, that sort of attitude, that there's got to be someone in that clubhouse who does it. So it used to be Bregman or someone like that. Or, you know, so who is it now? And did they take that guy out and not replace him? I don't know. I'm, you know, again, I'm not in there anymore. I can't tell you that, but whatever it is, something's wrong on multiple, and again, the talent and the holes that you're talking about on the roster, Mike, those are the biggest issue. They had a chance to make this team championship caliber and they didn't do it. And now they're showing up acting like they are championship caliber and getting their asses kicked. They're worse and they're a bunch of A-holes. Sean and Salem, your thoughts. Well, yeah, Tony shot down my Alex. It's a T-shirt. They're worse and they're a bunch of A-holes. You're 20, 26 red socks. I'm sorry, Sean. Start over, please. Yeah, well, Tony just shot down my Alex course to blame argument. So I'll switch over to the defense that he just talked about. You know, if they commit just 40 more errors this year, they'll set a record for most errors in a four year period. That's how bad it's been. And they've got caught with their pants down when the shift was outlawed and they've yet to address it. In fact, they've made it worse by playing everyone out of position or trading away the guys who can make up for their bad building with a bat. And now Breslo thinks he can improve the defense through pitching, which never worked. And until we fix defense, we're not going anywhere regardless of the clubhouse. Yeah, it's a fundamental organizational thing that you teach at the lowest levels and emphasize at the lowest levels. And you don't accept bad defense at any point. And it's a calling car. It's just, and Maz made this point. Yeah, I think it was yesterday, the day before. It's an excellent point. The small mid market teams that have success with reduced payrolls are good fundamentally. They have to be, they have no other option. So the red socks want to spend like one of those teams, but they don't want to operate like one of those teams. Exactly. And they don't have the attention to detail or that little thing that you have to do that this is what we have to be about. They just want to spend like it. They don't want to instruct like it throughout their organization. And so that's how you get what you get. What is their organizational identity now? Like what are they? It's an excellent question, Maz. What are they? Like, I don't know what it is. I don't mean either. What's the orial way? What's the royal way? What's the I mean, middling cheap asses? That's their, but in terms of how they play. You know, exactly. I have no idea. I have no idea. I used to know what the red socks were. The red socks were organization that could hit. They would produce positional players. They always had trouble with pitching, but they wanted to win. They just couldn't figure the pitching thing out. But I know what they wanted to be. And they knew how to use their ballpark. And then this ownership group and they came in sort of took it to another level and they started to be better in the pitching department and they bought their pitching, spent a little more money and they won a couple of championships. Now I don't know what the hell they are. Right. Pitching and defense offense, an offense built for Fenway Park. Are they fundamental or they sort of ignore that and wait for the three run home run? What do they do? So they put their bat on the ball or do they hit home runs? Yeah, do either really? No. And the president of baseball operations began the off season saying, well, we need power in the middle of the lineup. Then when he didn't get it, he said, well, we're going to be a run prevention team. So they're just flying by the seat of their hands. Ben and Maldon. Hi, Ben. Hey, thanks guys. So Mike, a couple things really stand out to me, but the number one thing is, and you brought this up the other day, the guys that they brought in in the off season so far, absolutely are making no impact. I mean, Sonny Gray shouldn't even be on the team. Caleb Durbin blows and Mike, another thing, the fact that this guy finished third in rookie of the year or whatever it was, I don't know how that happened. This guy blows. Got lucky. Got lucky. It was never supposed to be that guy. And it also tells you what does rookie of the year mean? You know, is it mean what it used to? I mean, could you even tell me who the NL rookie of the year was? Who was it? Geez, I don't even know. Is Milliken back there like cool? Who else would know? Me neither. Do you even know? So he finishes third. I'm doing the J. O. Thing behind Mike. I didn't know that. I'm a Brewer fan. I watch it every day. And it is nothing special about the guy. They just pieced together a year with it. He just came out of nowhere. He didn't make the team out of the camp. Drake Baldwin was your NL rookie at the end of last year. You know what the raves of catcher? Yeah. I mean, question mark. Like, so what is it? We was the third in the rookie of the year. That doesn't mean he's a prospect. Nope. Just means that he pieced together a decent year and got some votes. And was it even that decent? I saw floating around yesterday might have been Boston Sports Inf. So we now know he's 0 for 18 since he's showing the Red Sox, but going back to last season, he's now all for his last 30. Yes, over 30. So I think he hit in the postseason though. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been one of the few guys that showed up against the Dodgers. We got swept in the NLCS. But he so I think he might have hit in the post season. I don't remember the end of the season thing because they were kind of playing out the string. But I do as soon as you made the trade, I was like, he's really not all that special. I know he's just another one of these. These guys that the Brewers just rifle through. They just they just it's a conveyor belt of four a guys that they just get the absolute most out of and then go to the next guy and don't spend on any of them. He's just another one of those guys. He went for for 13 against the Brewers, which is through. I mean, against the Dodgers, which is 308. Okay. Coming up, Tiger Woods has been in the news the last week. It's been and not that this signifies it. It sort of happened some time ago for Tiger Woods, but there was a fall from grace for Tiger Woods. Correct? Yes. Yes, it was. Thank you. Was it the biggest fall from grace we've ever seen falls from grace in masses. Tears comes your way right after this. We go. We look at the goalie. Oh my God. Murray sucks in the play. That's great. No, wonderful. Good. The sports hub. Oh, they've got outies on this. They are the ones who sponsor who mess things is a fraud. And who's for real? Massive tears. Yeah. Tears of the clown. Massive tears. The second tier. Hold on. Let me get my pen. Massive tears. Dallas. Buffalo. Tennessee. Massive tears. Third tier. Okay. Here we go. Hold on. Let me get my pen. Massive tears. Tears. Tears. Tears. It comes to auto dealers. The sponsor of masses tears. Bernardi Auto Group always finishes first with mass top tier, the very tippy top of top tier. That's because they sell in service Acura, Audi, Honda, Toyota and Volvo vehicles. Bernardi for now. Bernardi for life. Find them out. Bernardi Auto Group dot com. Mass. What do we got this week? Okay. So again, these are falls from grace. Now this is a pretty wide ranging area that can lead to a number of issues that people have had off the field. So let me just say up front. This is in no way meant to distinguish that one you know, transgression is worse than another or better than another. Understand? Understand. It's really good to do with more of the magnitude of the personality. So some of the things that led to someone's fall from grace are horrific things. So we might see a murder in tier three is what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, I, you know, I don't think that actually happened, but, but, no, no, but like for example, just for Tamarie's analogy, you're not tearing the offense. If Tiger Woods rolling his car, it might be tier one, Aaron Hernandez on a murder spree might be tier three. We're not saying that. Exactly. That's not what you're saying. The notoriety. It's the fall. It's the length of the fall. Right. How far did you fall from your perch? Exactly. So the greater the athlete involved, the more likely it is to be on a top tier because let's face it, those people are at the pinnacle of their professions and frankly, oftentimes at the pinnacle of public existence in many cases. So we'll start with tier three. And again, some of these aren't as severe as others, but you get the idea. Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez, Brett Favre, who I believe stole money from one of his charities to fund one of his kids projects. So like, I mean, when was the fall from grace? I guess, which one are you referring to? But go ahead, please. Yeah. So I think Brett Favre's reputation has taken a major hit since he left the league. And, you know, obviously he had some painkiller issues while he was in the league. But I would say that some of the stuff that has happened since has been way worse. And Mike, do you remember John Rocker? Of course. Do you remember that with the Atlanta Braves? The DSI interview. Absolutely. Yep. And it was, he became like a huge national story for some of the comments he made about the New York City Subways. I want to say it was Jeff Perlman, I think, who wrote the story for Sports Illustrated, but really had shed a light on sort of Rocker's beliefs and caused a lot of turmoil for the Atlanta Braves. And, you know, I don't know how many people remember that story. It was quite a ways ago. And it wasn't one of the worst we've ever seen. He wasn't a huge, huge star, but he played for one of the best teams in baseball and had become one of the dominant closers in the game. I would argue that Farves' fall came when he was with the Jets and it was that Jen Sturger sending the hog for a bunch with Fog. This is why I ask, was it, you know, in Green Bay when he was sort of, there was no dirt on him and then all of a sudden he's checking to rehab for pain kit. Was it that? Was it the hog photos to Jen Sturger? Was it subsequent defrauding welfare recipients in Mississippi? You know, like where he's had a couple different options there. So you know what? I just say, I forgot about the Jen Sturger thing or Sturger. That story was huge. So it was huge, Murray. You know what? And given what Farve was, he won how many MVPs, three in a row or something. So he should probably be in tier two. So that's, that's my bad. But Farve is on this list somewhere. Tier two, tier two falls from Grace. Kobe Bryant, Aaron Hernandez. I'll get to Kobe in a second. A lot of people forget this about Kobe Bryant. He was charged with rape. I don't think people forget that. People around here didn't forget that. People around here did not forget that. Okay. So now, I never, we cheered no means no during the finals. I mean, okay. So it was, you know, again, his life had a tragic end to it. But I do think that if I'm not mistaken, it never got to trial because the woman then declined to testify. Right. Okay. So, but he was, you know, he was charged with rape. Aaron Hernandez, Ray Rice, Michael Vick, Tonya Harding, Ben Johnson, Ray Caruth, who murdered his pregnant girlfriend or wife, one or the other. I can't remember whether they were married. Girlfriend. Kirby Puckett, who is often admitted from these sort of lists, but had a history of domestic abuse with his partner. I was gonna say, you have to fill me in. Yeah. Kirby Puckett had some bad stuff that came out at the end of his career. And Ben Rothesberger, with the Pittsburgh Steelers, I almost said Pittsburgh Pirates, Ben Rothesberger, who obviously had a number of incidents involving sexual assault or alleged sexual assault. I can't remember if those went to trial or not, but these are all people who faced the Ray Caruth one, I think, is easily the worst incident on the list. But, you know, again, we're not grading the transgression as much as we are the fall from a, you know, a pillar. I can pick at Tonya Harding. They don't know who she was. So I understand what you're saying. Give Nancy a whack. I understand. And you're not wrong to say that. I just wanted to, you know, I try to cover all bases on some of these lists and make sure we're not just picking on men all the time. She was a nobody, a kind of at that time, but then became a household name just like that. That's what put her on the map. Yeah. I know one, you know, other than hardcore skating fans. I mean, now that you say it, I'd have to look and see where she, what her highest ranking was as a figure skater. Maybe she was, maybe she was even number two, but I'm just saying guys like us probably didn't even know who she was until it happened. I know. That's probably right. Right. Yes. I mean, it's certainly an argument for putting her on tier three. A tier one to me gets pretty obvious. These are, you know, some of the most famous cases in the history of sports. OJ Simpson, number one at the list. Really? Yeah. I'm just set a standard there. I mean, much or anyone will ever replicate Lance Armstrong, Oscar Pistorius. Now a lot of people didn't know who he was, but the story got unbelievable acclaimed South African Paralympian who shot his girlfriend and then alleged that he mistook her for an intruder, but was convicted in South Africa and has done substantial time. Tiger Woods, Mike Tyson, and I put Pete Rose in tier one because he became such a really kind of a, the lead figure in a saga that played out over decades and major league baseball. And at the time the gambling on baseball was a big, big transgression. So it's not necessarily a crime. You're or no, I think this is fair. He was, I mean, he was the hero of a city or region when the icons of the sport banned for life. Yeah, that's a fall from grace. Yeah. And really, and an American, you know, idol to many kids for the way he played and, you know, Pete Rose was not a big prospect. He was a really a crazy success story of a guy who made it in the major leagues and became a spokesman for a million different products. You'd get the idea. So folks, as usual, I know you want to weigh in omissions, corrections, criticisms, six, one, seven, seven, seven, nine, zero, nine, eight, five. I gave you a suggestion for tier three. It obviously didn't make your list. Bill Belichick, not bad. You should get consideration. Yes, he should. So there's a whole nother fall from grace category, which is they just sort of all of a sudden started to suck, you know, a great player or coach who just completely lost it. And so is that just Bill? Because he's committed no crime. I guess he's scandalous, but the thing with the girlfriend's kind of mean it's become a national story. Is it Bill Belichick suffered a fall from grace? Bill Belichick is a good suggestion. Tier three. So he crossed my mind and I know you mentioned him. I left him off on purpose because I thought someone would bring him up. Okay, sorry. No, no, it's okay. If you're going to call on Bill Belichick, you don't need to. And if you have not listened to this segment, please don't call with a suggestion. Is Pukinakua maybe knocking at that door? Another one, Murray, very good. Okay. Although the rehab to me is not the scandal. The rehab is actually the good news. Like that's a positive story for Pukinakua that I would say. The anti-Semitism and the biting, you know, yeah, the hate. Yeah, that to me. But either way, your thoughts, 617779095. Here's Murray's 90 second update, no commercials and write to you.