O'Connor & Company

Cal Thomas on the Iran Ceasefire and the Future of Late Night

8 min
Apr 8, 202610 days ago
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Summary

Cal Thomas discusses the Iran ceasefire announcement, Trump's foreign policy decisions, and the political backlash from both sides. The episode also covers CBS's decision to replace Stephen Colbert's show with a stand-up comedy program, signaling a shift away from politically-charged late-night content.

Insights
  • Political polarization has created a paradox where critics simultaneously attack Trump for military action and for restraint, revealing that opposition is ideologically driven rather than policy-based
  • Late-night comedy's shift toward entertainment over political commentary reflects audience demand for escapism and suggests declining viewership for politically-charged content
  • The Iranian regime's current instability presents both opportunity and uncertainty, with internal executions and military degradation creating conditions for potential change but no clear path forward
  • Democratic Party messaging lacks affirmative policy platform, relying primarily on anti-Trump sentiment rather than constructive alternatives on issues voters care about
  • Media and punditry credibility is questioned when positions shift based on political outcomes rather than consistent principles or analysis
Trends
Late-night television format disruption: shift from political commentary to stand-up comedy as networks recognize audience fatigue with partisan contentDeclining trust in mainstream media analysis due to perceived inconsistency and partisan bias in coverage of same eventsGrowing recognition among Democratic strategists that anti-Trump messaging alone is insufficient for party building and electoral successIncreased visibility and advocacy from Iranian-American and Persian-American communities regarding regime change aspirationsMilitary and geopolitical strategy debate moving toward pragmatism over ideology in foreign policy decisions
Companies
CBS
Network announced replacement of Stephen Colbert's show with stand-up comedy program 'Comics Unleashed'
CNN
Referenced as example of political panel show format that CBS wants to avoid with new comedy programming
Paramount Plus
Streaming service that previously aired 'Comics Unleashed' before CBS picked it up for late-night slot
People
Cal Thomas
Guest discussing Iran ceasefire, Trump policies, and late-night television format changes
Larry O'Connor
Host of the show conducting interviews and discussing current events
Carrie Lucas
Sitting in as co-host for the episode
John Reed
Scheduled guest to discuss get-out-the-vote effort and gerrymandering referendum
Sean Spicer
Scheduled guest to provide White House insights
Tony Schaefer
Scheduled guest to discuss current state of affairs in Iran
Jay Leno
Referenced by Cal Thomas as example of equal-opportunity comedy approach from Carson era
Stephen Colbert
Late-night host whose show is being replaced by stand-up comedy program
Byron Allen
Host of 'Comics Unleashed' stand-up panel show replacing Colbert on CBS
Barry Weiss
New CBS president supporting shift toward stand-up comedy programming
Mark Penn
Democratic pollster cited as acknowledging voter rejection of progressive policies
Rahm Emanuel
Former Democratic official quoted as saying party 'went too crazy' on progressive issues
Quotes
"What the hell is going on? And I suspect people come here every morning to find out what the hell is going on."
Larry O'ConnorOpening segment
"The problem we have is the same problem we've had before. Now, though we don't know who's running around, they have broken every promise and agreement they've made in the past."
Cal ThomasIran discussion
"You look at the accomplishments of President Trump, regardless of what you think of his personality or the way he talks or whatever. The border is closed, the taxes are reduced."
Cal ThomasTrump policy discussion
"I've known Jay Leno for a long time, and he said, I couldn't do a show like they do in today's environment. The great thing about Leno and Carson, they were equal opportunity."
Cal ThomasLate-night television discussion
"Why do you want to stay up late and listen to stuff you've heard all day? Do you want entertainment? They want to laugh."
Cal ThomasLate-night format discussion
Full Transcript
Now on 105.9 FM and streaming worldwide on the WMAL app, O'Connor & Company. 637, it's O'Connor & Company. Coming up at 7 to 5, John Reed of the Republican Party of Virginia. Talk about the get out the vote effort here to stop the Jerry Mander referendum two weeks from yesterday. At 735, Sean Spicer of the Sean Spicer Show. Give us some insight into what things were like at the White House yesterday. And at 805, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer will tap into his intelligence there about the current state of affairs in Iran. That's all coming up. It's Larry O'Connor. Carrie Lucas of Independent Women sitting in with us this morning. Good morning Carrie. Good morning. I just exclaimed there before we went on the air as I'm trying to digest all the news and all the information and all the takes that are going on. I exclaimed to no one or everyone, what the hell is going on? That's what I said. What the hell is going on? And I suspect people come here every morning to find out what the hell is going on. And it's just one of those mornings where it's sort of hard to get a grasp on. A lot is going on. And that's why we're glad to have somebody like Cal Thomas who's seen it all, written about it all, pontificated about it all. And so Cal, you tell me what the hell is going on? I wonder why people never say what the heaven is going on. That's always the question that's looking at my mind. I guess that's hard to say this Easter week. It's not the Stone Age. You know, I remember a line from, I think it was General Curtis LeMay during the Vietnam War who wanted to bomb North Vietnam back to the Stone Age. So we resurrected that little line again. The problem we have is the same problem we've had before. Now, though we don't know who's running around, they have broken every promise and agreement they've made in the past. Is this just another rope-a-dope operation where they delay getting bombs some more while they regroup and maybe move around what uranium they have left there? So nobody really knows. All I know is that the stock market futures are going to go way up this morning. I'm waiting for the gas prices to go way down. They seem to go a little slower when they're going down than when they're going up. So we'll see. Opening the straight will certainly be, that's an achievement here after five weeks of sort of severely diminishing, if not completely crippling their military force that they had there, except for still remnants of their missiles. But it's interesting, you said, Cal, that where this stands currently with Iran in terms of who are we negotiating with and who are we talking to? And everyone says regime change, regime change. What does that look like if not the sort of decimation of their leadership? I keep saying decimation and that literally means 10%. Way more than 10% of their leadership is gone now. But we have to fact over regime change now, don't we? Or do we need a full new constitution and change of way Iran goes to business? Well, that would be great, Larry. The problem is, you know, they're executing people right now. We're told hanging, shooting, people are intimidated. They don't want to come out. I don't blame them. I mean, I wouldn't want to come out unless it was less than 100,000, 200,000 million people from all of the country turned out too. That's what's going to take. But I mean, they've got families, not everybody in Iran is a fanatic. You've got a great history of the country, but I don't know. Obviously, regime change would be the best thing to go and you had a secular government, at least one that didn't believe in killing everybody who doesn't agree with him. But we can only speculate right now. Those incredible voices of Iranian Americans, Persian Americans who have been hoping for the toppling of this regime, many of them came here during what they call the disaster of the late 70s. And it would be great to see that happen for them. That has not necessarily been the goal of this military excursion over the last five weeks. Just in terms of the mechanics of punditry, which you are the best at and have been for decades now, what am I to make of the people who spent all day yesterday saying the President Trump needs to be removed from office, 25th Amendment, he's a madman because of the... And by the way, why they're not used to the rhetorical flourishes of this man after 10 years of witnessing, I'll never know. But then when he announces a ceasefire at the 11th hour, those very same pundits are saying, well, look it, he chickened out, he chickened out. Like they're taunting him for not doing the thing that they wanted to remove him from office for. You look at the accomplishments of President Trump, regardless of what you think of his personality or the way he talks or whatever. The border is closed, the taxes are reduced, I wish the debt was gotten under control, but he has done a lot of great things. The Democrats and the left and the...much of the media don't have any policies. Their only policy is hate Trump. We know what their policies are, transgenders, men and women's locker rooms. We've been through all of this stuff before, men and women's sports, any cockamamie thing that comes down the pike there for. And the voters rejected that. All the polls show it, even some Democrats. Mark Penn, the pollster has admitted that. Rahm Emanuel said they went too crazy. A lot of other Democrats are right. So these people who are running the show now, the Democrat Party, don't have any policies or at least no policies the public wants. They are still absolutely paralyzed with just opposed Trump. That's all they got. It might be enough in these midterms, Lord knows, but it's not enough to build a party and a movement off of... Hey, Cal, radically shifting gears here. It was announced yesterday that Stephen Colbert's replacement will be a stand-up comedy show. I find this to be a tacit statement or acknowledgement from CBS that Stephen Colbert and late night comedy in general has sort of dropped the comedy. You're absolutely right. And I was thrilled to see this, and I hope it becomes a trend. I've known Jane Leno for a long time, and we've had conversations about this, and he said, I couldn't do a show like they do in today's environment. The great thing about Leno and Carson, they were equal opportunity. They made fun of both sides. You couldn't really tell where they were politically. And I think this is a great move with CBS along with a new president of CBS, Barry Weiss. And I hope it catches on with others. Why do you want to stay up late and listen to stuff you've heard all day? Do you want entertainment? They want to laugh. They want to be told funny things. So I think this is a great move, and we'll see if it affects the other two networks. It's called Comics Unleashed with Byron Allen. Byron Allen, by the way, who's been in the entertainment business and basically a bit of a media mogul himself over the last several decades. It's been on Paramount Plus, their streaming service, and it's basically stand-up comedians sitting around in a panel. It's almost like a BBC panel show, and they try to make each other laugh and talk about funny things. And my understanding based on the previous release, let's see how long this lasts. But CBS has said, yeah, go ahead and do it. Just stay away from politics. We don't want this to be a funny version of Abby Phillips CNN panel show. Right. And gee, I wish I was a mogul. I always wanted to be a mogul. You want to be a mogul? You can be a mogul. You carry yourself around like a mogul. 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