BREAKING: Iran Braces for Critical U.S. Showdown
50 min
•Feb 5, 20264 months agoSummary
The episode covers escalating U.S.-Iran tensions as diplomatic talks shift from Istanbul to Oman, with discussions on whether the U.S. should pursue nuclear negotiations or military intervention to support Iranian protesters. Additionally, the ACLJ highlights a Kansas school censorship case where students were punished for naming conservative political figures as heroes.
Insights
- Iran's repeated negotiation tactics (moving goalposts, changing venues, narrowing agendas) suggest the regime underestimates Trump's willingness to use military force after last summer's nuclear facility strikes
- Diplomatic negotiations focused solely on nuclear disarmament may leave the regime in power to continue funding terrorism and proxy groups, creating a false sense of security
- Public school systems are increasingly overstepping parental authority by discouraging students from reporting concerns to parents, representing a constitutional and cultural threat
- The Iranian-American community represents a strategic constituency with direct knowledge of pre-1979 Iran's Western-oriented society, supporting potential regime change scenarios
- Strategic military strikes (like Soleimani's elimination) can be effective deterrents when paired with clear red lines and demonstrated willingness to act
Trends
Erosion of parental rights in public education through administrative gatekeeping of student concernsShift toward precision military doctrine over large-scale interventions in Middle East policyIncreased reliance on religious freedom and human rights litigation as foreign policy leverageGrowing disconnect between diplomatic negotiations and enforcement mechanisms in international agreementsRise of state-level legislative responses to federal education policy failuresIranian regime's continued miscalculation of Western resolve despite demonstrated consequencesImportance of secular constitutional frameworks in post-regime-change stability assessments
Topics
U.S.-Iran Nuclear NegotiationsIranian Regime Change ScenariosStudent Free Speech Rights in Public SchoolsParental Authority vs. School AdministrationReligious Persecution in IranBallistic Missile Programs and Proxy FundingStrategic Military DoctrineConstitutional Rights in EducationDiplomatic Red Lines and CredibilityIranian-American Community IntegrationSchool Censorship and Political ExpressionInternational Religious FreedomTerrorism Funding by State ActorsFederal Discrimination Complaints in SchoolsHomeschooling as Educational Alternative
Companies
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ)
Primary organization discussed; provides free legal representation for constitutional rights cases including school c...
Department of Justice
Recipient of federal discrimination complaints filed by ACLJ client against Kansas school district for constitutional...
Department of Education
Recipient of federal discrimination complaints regarding student censorship and constitutional rights violations in K...
United Nations Human Rights Council
Forum where ACLJ filed submission on Iran's persecution of Christians and human rights abuses
People
Donald Trump
U.S. President; drew red line on Iran's treatment of protesters; authorized nuclear facility strikes; currently negot...
Rick Renell
Former Trump administration official; worked on Iran issues since 2001; provides expert analysis on diplomatic strate...
Logan Sekulow
Host of the Sekulow podcast; leads discussion on Iran negotiations and ACLJ constitutional cases
Jordan Sekulow
ACLJ representative; participated in international religious freedom summit; involved in Iran human rights advocacy
Brienne Vincent
ACLJ client and parent; testified before Kansas Senate Education Committee about daughter's censorship in school assi...
Garrett
ACLJ attorney; represented client at Kansas legislative hearing on school censorship case
Sheila
Caller; three-time Trump voter born in Iran; advocates for regime change and secular constitution for post-Islamic Iran
Reza Pahlavi
Referenced as potential post-regime leader with six-point plan for secular Iranian constitution
Barack Obama
Former president; criticized for JCPOA deal and funding Iranian regime; contrasted with Trump's approach
Joe Biden
Former president; criticized for providing billions to Iranian regime and weak negotiating stance
Mike Pompeo
Former Secretary of State; mentioned as target of Iranian assassination attempts; regular podcast guest
David Fromm
Atlantic writer; authored article predicting Iran would exploit Trump's perceived weakness before nuclear strikes
Qasem Soleimani
Iranian military commander; eliminated by Trump administration as strategic military action
Quotes
"Find your voice really meant find the voice your teacher approves of."
Brienne Vincent•Kansas Senate testimony segment
"If you start killing your civilians and we will get involved, that's where all these getting back to the negotiating table stemmed from."
Logan Sekulow•Early segment discussing Trump's red line
"The mullahs of Iran joined the bet that Trump always chickens out."
Logan Sekulow (referencing Atlantic article)•Discussion of June 2025 nuclear strikes
"You live in America. You're going to fight for America. You're going to protect America. You're going to make decisions according to what's best for America."
Rick Renell•Discussion with Iranian-American community
"This isn't a war on teachers. It's a call for accountability, transparency and respect for families."
Brienne Vincent•Kansas Senate testimony
Full Transcript
We got breaking news. Iran braces for a critical showdown with the United States. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Seculo. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments for call 1-800-684-3-110. And now your host Logan Seculo. Welcome to Seculo. Phone lines are open for you. 1-800-684-3-110. It's a Thursday will. It is. Happy Thursday. We got Rick Renell joining us a little bit later. And the US and Iran. You may have tuned in. See you in that headline on our YouTube channel. The on-again off-again relationship between the US and Iran will. It is like a hallmark movie with bigger consequences. That's right. And not the hallmark movie that we probably would want to watch around the holidays. But what you're seeing now is this get together between the Iranians and the United States that was supposed to be occurring on Friday. Yesterday the United States was calling off their plan to be meeting in Istanbul. Yeah, maybe we're the wrong. We need to back it up. For those who maybe weren't listening earlier in the week. There was conversation between President Trump saying, look we're going to meet. We're going to actually sit down and do this because Iran had started to really kind of push saying, yeah, a regional war is bound to happen. If we don't really come up with the deal, America kind of called their bluff a little bit. And that is with the US having an entire carrier group very close to the Iran region where they could launch an attack from. Iran, as you mentioned, warned this could spark a regional war. And they were supposed to have a sit down face to face negotiation between the Iranians and the United States in Istanbul this Friday. Tomorrow yesterday the Iranians started to make changes to the plan saying no, we are no longer going to meet in Turkey. We want to meet no man. We no longer want it to be about the nuclear issue plus human rights plus ballistic missiles plus our support of the proxy groups. Hamas, as well as the Houthis in Yemen. We just want it to be about the nuclear issue. So the United States said, okay, fine, we're not meeting. By the way, we told you if we don't come to a deal on Friday or at least get somewhere, you know what's coming. We're going to bomb you. And then after major pushback from regional allies that probably don't want a war with Iran in their backyard, the US has now agreed that they will move the location from Istanbul to a man. Now also think about that. The security involved the all of the logistics of moving an entire different country where your talks were supposed to be held Turkey to a different country, Oman in just a couple days. That's a headache at least. It's a game from the Iranians. But the US has said they agreed to hold meetings in Oman and that it will be respectful to the allies in the region and in order to continue pursuing the diplomatic track. Now what we don't know what the agenda is going to look like will the US still insist that the human rights, the protesters, that's what all of this stemmed from as well as the support for the proxy groups and the ballistic missile program. Are those things going to remain on the agenda tomorrow? Yeah, and we know look here at the ACLJ we're involved in this directly. We're involved with it because there's a lot of Iranian Christians, a lot of Iranian Christians that are under persecution. This week we actually filed a submission of the UN Human Rights Council on Iran to stop the persecution of Christians and call out Iran's human rights abuses. Of course Jordan was a featured panelist earlier this week in the international religious freedom summit Washington DC. All of this happens because the ACLJ gets involved. So when you hear us bring up these topics, it's not always what the number one story is in the news. Of course, a lot of people. Number one story right now is the Guthrie family. Of course, that's something we are her family and all of that is that in our prayers and we are monitoring it as the world kind of holds their breath on it. But the ACLJ is directly involved in some of these international affairs that are happening. And while it may not always be the number one story, we got to make sure we get the information to you because it is life or death situations in terms of the Christians and really honestly this the people of Iran. You know, they were on the verge of a true revolution. What does it look like now? What is the future for the people there in terms of their freedom? We're going to dive deeper into that. I'd love to hear from you 1-800-684-3-1-1-0. I know that sometimes you can get a little ahead of you. It may not be the conversation. You even know how to ask a question about. Hit us up also in the comments. You don't know what to comment. Let me know where you're watching from. I'd love to read that during the break and see where everyone's at worldwide on YouTube or on Rumble. Of course, at ACLJ.org. If you want to support the work of the ACLJ, great time to come in ACLJ champion. Do it today at ACLJ.org. I think you should hear from President Trump himself on this situation. A lot of you are just chiming in. I know there were some technical issues maybe on our YouTube stream. So for those of you, hopefully you can hear us and we're back and everything is good. We didn't have anything on R-ID but we saw a lot of you did. So I'm sure there were some problems there. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3-1-10. Let's hear from NBC News. This is a conversation from President Trump just yesterday. Should the Supreme Leader in Iran be worried right now? I would say he should be very worried. As you know, they're negotiating with us. I know they are but the protesters have said, you know, where are the Americans? You promised them we would have their back. Do we still have their back? We've had their back and look, that country is a mess right now because of us. We went in, we wiped out their nuclear. So I didn't think you want to be a peace in the Middle East. If I didn't take out their nuclear, think of it. If we didn't take out that nuclear, we wouldn't have peace in the Middle East because our countries could have never done that. They were very, very afraid of our way. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. I almost had a antagonistic approach from NBC News a little bit there. So just more and maybe it's more conversational. But pushing President Trump on these issues, saying what the people are saying, where is the United States? I do think there's a discussion point they had of how far you take this. And I think a lot of Americans and last Rick Renell about this later on because Rick has been one of those original voices within the Trump administration. A guy who worked by the way for the Bush administration during the war on terror saw the good and the bad that came from that. And very much was in favor of the way President Trump kind of pitched the no new wars and that feedback. So when you have a moment like this where President Trump and I quote says he should be very worried that does throw a little bit of a different plan of people who aren't expecting. Now again, doesn't necessarily mean there'll be the boots on the ground kind of war if they're happening. Well, and here's what I want to hear from the audience about because if the president and the negotiators go to Oman and it is only about the nuclear issue, all of this stemmed from the protests on the ground that we saw. That is why Iran as the president said if you start killing your civilians and we will get involved, that's where all these getting back to the negotiating table stemmed from. And remember the president and his team were negotiating with the Iranians in the summer of last year, spring and summer. He gave them a 60 day deadline to actually come to a deal the Iranians kept moving the goal post as they tend to do to stall in what are the president do. He bombed their nuclear facilities on June 22nd of 2025 and remember what our press and when you hear this this reporter from NBC saying should the supreme leader be worried right now. On June 21st, the Atlantic wrote a piece by David from that was titled what Iran knows about Trump in the subtitle was the mullows of Iran join the bet that Trump always chickens out the next day their nuclear sites were decimated by those B 52 bombers that went in operation midnight hammer. So I feel like the Iatola and the mullows in Iran are coming to this negotiation with a different context that being said there's still playing games moving the site two days before saying things are off limits with negotiation. I feel like they should be a little bit more apprehensive based off their last round of talks, but here's the question I have for our audience. If the president agrees to only a nuclear issue discussion negotiation and they come out of this agreeing to get rid of their entire nuclear program we want know the Iranians are patient because they will wait as long as they can to build up that arsenal and with their in goal destroying Israel destroying the United States if they can attempt that. Are you fine with sidelineing the issue of the human rights for a more America first policy of like yeah they don't have a rainy they don't have nuclear power they can deal with themselves less of a stress or is it concerning that what got us here again is something that we have been calling for for a long time the liberation of the Iranian people we've been upset with what Obama's deal did in propping up the regime longer it was a terrible deal. But would you trade a non nuclear Iran for at least a long time where they have to hit complete reset button started zero if they are wanting to build up a nuclear program for would you trade that for leaving them in power for longer or would you like to see a more aggressive campaign that ends up ousting the mullahs in that theocratic death call people ask about this you how do you monitor a foreign country like this when you say in your nuclear power. We do sin people checks and balances to do routine check in since people who will be station there there are ways to be a little bit more vigilant however I don't trust that behind the scenes there's not a way they're working on these things that it's not happening so personally. Do I want to see us get involved in another war absolutely not but do I think we should you help the current situation there to maybe lead to what could be a good day. A good day for Iran when it has been so long again a country that has been written off when just a few decades ago was a thriving multi cultural western is society maybe Western but closer to a western society than a lot of what's happening closer to a Saudi Arabia to what's happening over there now. Yeah I would love to see that I would love to see the Persian people in the Iranian people be able to live in peace and actually thrive brilliant people who have contributed so much to our society in America that if they have a moment where this can happen and feel like this now gets on repeat where they get close. And then as will said but in a different way the reset button is hit and you still have this dictatorship in control and instead of seeing actual potential freedom being brought to these people. Now I want to pivot very quickly well will's question is asked because I do want to hear from you about that one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten one eight hundred six eight four three one one zero call and let us know your thoughts on this what would you rather see a relationship with Iran that ends their new program but doesn't necessarily set their people free if you will or for us to get involved militarily. That could lead to a better future for the people of Iran. There's no wrong answer here give us a call one eight hundred six eight four thirty one ten I'm going to pose that question later on to Rick Reynolds just to pivot slightly. In the next thing we're talking more about the ACLJ's work and I want you to hear a big update coming out of one of our cases that it's one of those jaw dropping moments when you when you see this in real time you hear us talk about these cases when you actually see the clients you actually hear them. It hopefully does change the way you feel about them makes it feel a little closer to home we have a call coming in as more to do with our conversation yesterday. I talking about Minnesota and Tom home and all that and I want to go to it because candy call in for Georgia yesterday we're unable to get to recall let's go ahead and take it though candy go ahead. Yes I like come home and I was taken a back at first when I saw that he was honored by President Obama but that doesn't make him a bad person he's doing a good job and also Scott the scent work for George sorrows but he's doing a good job as well and maybe had a change of heart I also like what Ann said yesterday that the ice is not melting but real briefly I about I ran today I think that we should be involved militarily to free the people and get rid of the mullers because they can't be trusted. That's all I have to say in candy I think that based off what I'm seeing on YouTube and rumble and I I see when when you gave the phone number Logan the lines have lit up which we will definitely get to but to that point a lot of people on rumble in YouTube are agreeing with you candy is that one comment said if you take a murder weapon away from a murderer they will find another weapon to use that basically the the Iranians in their their bad actions. Their bad activities especially with their proxy groups them being behind the planning and execution of October 7th and what we see around the world their attempts at assassination attempts on US soil having thought was out against our president against Mike Pompeo who's on this broadcast multiple times a week their bad activity won't end just by containing their nuclear program and even if president Trump can get the best deal. But we know that every single bit of nuclear material and nuclear infrastructures taken out of their country we know that just begins day one for them and they will find a way to start again because that is their ambition that is their goal. So any deal that is a great deal of taking away that nuclear threat is still a delay it's still kicking the can down the road as long as that regime is in power the question is is it worth it for the US to take that deal and not have to go more active militarily and I think that's what we're going to hear from our audience while they feel and I don't know that I know which is better at that. Yeah phone lines are filling up but there's one open at least right now 186.8.4.31.10. Well I got a minute so I'm not going to take a call in this segment but the next segment we're going to take a bunch of them stay out hold if you're on hold let our phone screen or do its job be patient will do our best to get to all of you just give us a call as I said 186.8.4.31.10 if the phone is ringing someone will get to you. So just give it there a minute we got two lines now open as we kind of go through it sometimes people don't make it up they hang up call wait when the lines fill up takes time for phone screeners to go through it so give a little bit of moment hey I'm going to encourage you and I want to hoping as you see the next segment we talk about the work of the ACLJ a little bit more and you see our clients firsthand they'll encourage you to not only give and support the work of the ACLJ financially maybe some of you can become ACLJ champion so the give on a monthly basis automatically recurring of course you can get a call. So I'm going to ask you to do that go to ACLJ.org spend a little time there may be a video in the break here where you're going to see a little bit of that so if you are watching then may have a bit of a preview of what we're going to show. And again these are our clients live and in action. Welcome back to secular we got a lot of calls coming in okay we're going to talk it we're going to get to you. I think we should but I do want you to know the ACLJ team is hard at work when you hear about what I said our participation even in the support of Iranian Christians. But that is our worldwide efforts that's the European center it's the ACLJ that's us at the UN. Jordan at the international religious freedom summit these are big picture big ticket items if you will. But just as important is the individual parent. Maybe in a state like Kansas where you don't think there'd be a lot of persecution going on for people because of their beliefs or you wouldn't believe that there's a lot of push back in hostility. But we're not talking about anything normal we're talking about the public school system. And well a lot of people may remember this because we were talking about it for the last few weeks. That's right and it's shocking when you've heard us talk about it and it was shocking when we heard about the case this is where there was a find your voice assignment for six graders. And individual students were told they could not put president Trump as a hero when they went up to write their heroes on the board Charlie Kirk as a hero. Even religious people post the attempt. Right. The assignment starts they go up to write their hero write the hero and then are reprimanded and told that can't be your hero. Then we told you how it got worse how they said don't tell your parents about this they tried to handle internally. But in Kansas the education committee is debating a bill right now in the state legislature whether or not to try to fix this to try to help protect the students rights. And it all stemmed from this case and this client in our client the parent of the student went and testified yesterday and Garrett who is one of our attorneys was there with her and we have that testimony. Yeah, I think you all have to see this it's just a couple minutes. But it gives you a real understanding of the emotion and the feel of these parents that are put in these really horrible situations. It's different when you hear it from Will and I of course we can tell you about it and maybe you think that we're spinning things maybe you think that we're you know, you know, riling you up to ask for support or that we're not necessarily giving you 100% the facts or maybe you just think we're presenting it in a television style way. Well, this is not up for television. This is the real deal. So I want you to watch this. It's a couple minutes long. It is a testimony. Again, how long are we talking about this is three and a half minutes. About three and a half minutes. And I think it is important for you to see all of this in its entirety. Stay on hold if you're on hold will get to you coming up a little bit later, but this is very important. This is the work of the ACLJ action when you support the work of the ACLJ remember this client does not charge to dollar to have our incredible legal team be a part of this and to help her. It is only because people like you support. So let's take a listen. My name is Bri and my name is Bri and Vincent. I'm here testifying and supportive this bill because my daughter and her six grade classmates were censored for expressing their religious and political views at Marshall Elementary school in Eureka. As a result of this discrimination and the school's response, I had to withdraw all three of my children from the school. On October 28th, the guidance counselor gave students an assignment called Find Your Voice. It should have been an empowering exercise instead it became a lesson in censorship. The impact on these children was immediate and the message was clear. Find your voice really meant find the voice your teacher approves of. But it gets worse after meeting with the principal and counselor the next day they address the six grade class. Multiple students including my daughter reported that the principal told them that in the future they should bring concerns to school officials first not to their parents. I question the principal about this statement she suggested that I homeschool my children. If you listened to Miss Vincent's testimony about what occurred with her daughter, what is the request for that family other than pulling their children out of school which is what was suggested to them. If what she says is legitimate and somebody said, oh go home your school go home school your kids. That's a legitimate you know concern. Now I think she's taken the actions that she can. But you know when the school board if you know and I'm not saying she's not telling you know the truth but the school board did what she did she needs to do those actions and there is that provision but but to pass a bill like what we're talking about what would it do to the entire to all the schools in the state of Kansas. You know I think she's doing what she feels is right and I can't make any other suggestions for her it's unfortunate that the school board didn't stop it at where it was at but you know like a sit. There are there are she's doing what she can do. Like that's sort of a that's sort of a highlight reel of what happened we ran out of time to play the whole segment and fall when we get back in our second half hour I'm going to play you the full testimony you need to hear it and it's entirety so we had to cut it short a little bit for this segment but no when we get back we will do it I'm going to head and you listen when you even hear just the moments there. From that mother you see you see some of the passion that's coming in here again this is the real work of the ACL J the on the ground work our team is involved in our legal team. Where you have a parent who doesn't know what to do who is told in the public school system well maybe your best bet is to homeschool your kids as if that that's a luxury that everyone can afford. Why simply because a kid wanted to state who their hero was. And look they could have preematively said we're not talking about politics we're not talking about religion we don't want to ruffle any feathers here and we probably would have said you know what the kid went up there and did the same and still said those things you know what maybe this is not where the ACL J gets involved this was post. And of course after then they said what to me is the most egregious part next time. Come talk to us for you talk to your parents. This is where the public school system gets out of control. And look I would probably say the private school system does to this is where academia and education gets out of control where they think they can control the minds of your children more so than you even have the right to hear what's going on in their classroom. But the ACL J team is hard at work to make sure this doesn't happen and well it doesn't stop there that's right and as you see that mother who has the courage to go before a legislature and talk about what happened and when her student is told hey you can't do this they go and talk to their parents and what does the school say don't go talk to your parents talk to us first the parents go forward and then they say to them listen. If you don't like this how about your homeschool your kids which many people do because of situations just like this and they're applauded for that and we celebrate that in the ACL J has supported homeschool families where states have gone after them for decades. But here's the problem not everyone can do that and not everyone that wishes they could and can't do that then should be subjected to constitutional violations because of it. Not everyone feels like they should be teaching their kids they feel equipped to do the home schooling is not something that's just an option for everyone. I think that that is absurd not everyone is an educator not everyone has that ability to do that not everyone has the financial ramifications that come with homeschooling your kids because clearly that means someone's got to be at home and not taking your kids to school and going and supporting your family financially there's so many things that's such an egregious moment again that it's shocking and you need to be a part of this team we got a second half hour coming up. It's available on ACL J dot org it's available on YouTube rumble were live always 12 to 1 p.m. Eastern time. So make sure you're always getting the full show. When we get back we're going to take some of your phone calls few people did drop off so we do have some lines open at 1 800 6 8 4 3 1 10. But I'm going to encourage you right now whether you think the ACL J's involvement what's going on in a run is what's important. Of course it is or maybe you think making sure the ACL J team is available to that mother in Kansas who are told if you don't like the way your public schools is treating their beliefs go homeschool your kids get them out of here. We're not going to stand for that good ACL J dot org today coming ACL J champion back in less than a minute on ACL J dot org average podcast. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever this is secular. And now your host Logan secular welcome back to secular phone lines are open at 1 800 6 8 4 3 1 10 we're talking about a couple different topics here today. President Trump has essentially warned Iran once again as the plans for a diplomatic meeting are at least as of this second. Back on for Friday Rick Reynolds going to be joining us coming up we had a lot of discussion in the last segment in the last 30 minutes about whether we want to get. What to get involved militarily to help the people of Iran. Or do we want there to be a situation where we come to some kind of agreement no no bombs are our scent however current administration stays in control. Got a lot of feedback a lot of you called in want to take some of those calls let's go first to Sheila. I think this is an interesting one Sheila in California online five watching on YouTube go ahead. Hi I'm a three time Trump voter I was born in Iran and I just want you know that Iran was a western country they even had more women and power than they did. In America and the difference between Iraq and Iran and why regime change in Iran will work is because Iran is not going to be an Islamic country they don't want to be run by Islam that is the secret. Resba Pavlovie he thought named that you're here being called out in the streets he's got a six point plan and he's going to bring a a secular constitution and that is the key to success when Iran has the secular constitution it will be successful. That's the difference between Iraq and Iran and President Trump said help was coming he drew a red line. If he doesn't help it will hurt its credibility and his legacy so I just pray that Trump takes some sort of action and just a little bit of help can make a big difference because Iran will be a successful country with regime change because of the secular constitution and I just want people to know that that's the difference that's why it will work. Sheila I think when you look even at individuals like yourself I know many people here in our area that fled Iran that are here that are wonderful members of the community there's a very strong behind community here in the Nashville area wonderful people want a restoration of what Iran was and I know there are different factions that want different things for a post I atola Iran. But I tend to agree with you on many of your points is that President Trump did draw a red line on on helping the protesters and so it would be part of me disappointing if that gets lost in the shuffle if then it becomes a I took away the nuclear option for Iran but left those people in power because the people of Iran are still suffering and it could be and should be one of the greatest places in the Middle East. One of the crown jewels of the region where where it is a Western society where it is a thriving economy where it has great relationships with neighbors in the region and with the United States but because of what the mullahs and the Iatola and the original Iatola before him have brought upon that country it has been driven into the ground it's devastated economically and whenever there is any sort of aid or sanctions relief the mullahs and the Iatola do nothing to help their people they only use that money to reinvest in terrorism and reinvest in the destruction of Israel and reinvest in the destruction of Western values. Look we only have about 55 seconds here before we need to go to break Rick Reynolds can be joining us we're going to pose the question to him as well stay on hold if you're on hold Paul Mark we actually clear to a bunch of lines so if you want to call in. Last segment of the show we're going to take many calls we can as well pose that question how do you want us to get involved so 1 800 684 3 1 1 0 1 800 684 3 110 support the work of the ACLJ if you can you heard if you watched the first half hour you saw firsthand our clients in Kansas and their issues going on with their school system there will play that even more so coming up in the final segment of the show if we have time we'd love to hear from you 1 800 684 3141 110 check out ACLJ dot org during the break but we'll be back in just a moment look if you aren't watching the show it's a great way to really engage one you get comments you can interact on our YouTube streams are on rumble be a part of the great community that's there each and every day on our YouTube channel we'll be right back. Welcome back to Seculow and the next time we're going to be taking your calls 1 800 684 3 110 I want you to call me if you can again we're opening up that big conversation here about Iran what it looks like what the future looks like the US and some involvement Rick Reynolds joining us right now Rick. Look there are shades of the world on terror you been a part of that for so long you have seen what it was like to be within that administration during the George W Bush years of course now during the Trump years we have people call it in they feel both ways some people feel like hey we need to get involved militarily we need to be supporting the people of Iran that's where we need to go we other people call in and look the president Trump I voted for was more of the America first side which was the let's get a deal done with Iran you know we know that there these meetings keep going back and we're going to be going back and we're going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be going to be cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering cheering We also have to remember that the goal of foreign policy is to keep the American people prosperous, strong, and safe. And so there are times where we have to make calculations to keep America safe. You may have to do strategic strikes. I get that. President Trump has been very good about figuring out how to do strategic strikes in Iran. Took taking out Soleimani. I think the evaluation of the government should be about that. Are we in danger? And if we are in danger, we need to act sooner rather than later, and it needs to be precision driven. I know that's what President Trump views his criteria and how he looks at the world. Iran has been a problem for a very long time. Remember Joe Biden and Barack Obama gave the Iranian regime billions of dollars. And that terrorism is funded, the terrorism in the region, from Hezbollah, from Hamas, from the Hezbollah in Lebanon. That terrorism is funded by Iran. And so we need to be very strategic about freezing that money, making sure that terrorism stops and keeping Americans safe. We know that Iran has a motive to go after America, Americans, President Trump, any American that they can get their hands on. And so this is a dangerous regime with lots of money, and they are going to be a constant problem unless we figure out a way to deal with it. Rick, when you look at what happened last year with a 60 day, hey, you better come to the table and actually make a deal or else we're going to do something about it. And then you had the famous David from article in the Atlantic on June 21st that said, what Iran knows about Trump, the mullahs of Iran joined the bet that Trump always chickens out. That age so well that the next day we took out their nuclear sites with B2 bombers. You would think that the way that the Iranians are playing this right now, what brought this about was the protests and the red line that the president drew that, hey, we're going to have to get involved if you start killing your people of which they've done. And then the Iranians ran begging to discuss things. Now they're moving the goalpost again. It's like they learned nothing last summer and they still believe this that they can keep playing these games, holding talks, then start to change the agenda, change the location 48 hours before it's supposed to be an Istanbul. Now we have to move it to Oman. I'm just, I'm boggled that this Iranian regime still thinks they're dealing with Joe Biden or Barack Obama because he showed what he will do if you keep playing these games last summer. Look, I've been working on the Iran issues since 2001 when I was at the United Nations. This is something that has been frustrating for a very long time, but there are two constants when it comes to this current Iran regime. One is they are seeking money constantly to fund terrorism. That's a constant. And two, they are really politically stupid when it comes to diplomacy. They always trip up. And I think it's because they're just not strategic and they misread the situation and they're self-indulgent. And so I think that we need to constantly think about diplomacy, run diplomacy to the very end, but remember, at some point, to keep America safe and when the diplomats are not able to forge an agreement, you have to take that Iranian file and hand it over to the Pentagon. And then the Pentagon doesn't negotiate. If that comes to the case and diplomacy fails, I think that we can absolutely say we've tried everything. We keep trying different angles. But also, President Trump is not going to make some weak deal like the JCPOA. President Trump has been very clear that that deal made America less safe. And I think that is part of what some of the concerns we're seeing on our broadcast with whether it be Rumble Collars or YouTube is that the Iranians are now trying to once again change the focus of this. They're trying to take the human rights issues off the table, take the ballistic missile program off the table as well as their funding of proxies. That is what they are trying to do at this very moment. I think maybe some of it is trauma from the Obama and Biden years, but also the issue of if even the best deal on paper that every single nuclear facility dismantled, all the materials gone, we know that the ambitions of the Iranians have not changed. And we also know the bad actions will not have changed. And so I think the concern we're seeing is that a deal only focused on something nuclear leaves the bad actors in place that are still causing great national security harm to Americans. Yeah, look, our negotiators are fantastic. They're different than the Biden era. There is no question that President Trump isn't going to go along with a weak deal that makes America less safe. He's going to be very creative. He's going to try, but we're not going to wait forever. Yeah, Rick. And look, our listeners are calling in and we see some of their thoughts right now. And we've had people that call in with backgrounds who grew up, families grew up in Iran. Maybe they moved here. We know here in Nashville. There is a large group of people who are celebrating a potential change over. So there is that, you know, conflict where there's a lot of great American people. There have been so many contributions to America, to technology from Iran and from Iranian people. However, they have been so stifled for so many years that I think our generation has no recollection of that. There's no recollection of where this historic legacy of technological improvements of all the things that they provided other than again, the incredible, really Americans that have now come out of the Iranian community. Yeah. Look, I speak to the Iranian American community all the time. I try to remind them, look, you live in America. You're going to fight for America. You're going to protect America. You're going to make decisions according to what's best for America. And I try to really push them to say, we understand the threat from the Iranian regime, the threat to America. That's our criteria. And for me, it's the only criteria. I want to spend money and time and diplomacy on issues and initiatives that actually make America stronger, not trying to help some other country, but our focus is on America. That's what America first needs. All right, Rick. Thank you so much for joining us today. Look, in the next segment, you've heard from Rick Renell again, we bring on these experts, people who have been around again, Rick's been working on this for 25 plus years, specifically, professionally. You don't hear those kind of voices anywhere else who can really speak into this. Now that you've heard it, I want to hear from you. We do have a handful of lines open right now, 1-800-684-30-10. Mark and Paul stay on hold. We're going to get to you. And I also would love to in the next segment be able to play a little bit more from that testimony. I'm not sure if we have it, but if we have the full length segment from, again, one of our incredible ACLJ clients who is out there making a stand. And again, this is a school in Kansas who said, you know what, students, not only are you not allowed to pick your heroes and raise your voice, as you will, for people that we need to be insensitive or offensive. Those aren't heroes. And of course, we're talking about conservatives, you're talking about Christians, you're talking about President Trump, you're talking about Charlie Kirk, these kind of people. That's egregious enough. You could have said that earlier, by the way. You could have said, hey, no religious or political figures. And I think most of us would have said, okay, I understand. You don't want to cause any sort of divisiveness within your own school and your own class. I don't know. I say, agree with the legality of it, but we understand why you put that place. Now, you did that after the fact. And then they said when the kids had issue with it, by the way, if you have an issue with this, don't go talk to your parents. Go talk to us. You are, quote unquote, like, you know, not a direct quote. We are your parents here. When you enter the school, the administration is who your parental guide it should be coming from. We don't believe in that. We don't stay up for that. That's why the ACLJ team is hard at action right now. Once you go to ACLJ.org, support the work financially. So people like this mother and these students don't have to have any sort of financial ramifications. Of course, because you donate, we're able to provide legal help for them absolutely no cost. We do have a handful of lines open 1-800-684-31-10. You probably got about two minutes to call in for its too late. 1-800-684-310 will be right back. Welcome, my bestec yellow phone lines are open for if you want to call in 1-800-684-31-10. As we head to the end of this broadcast, before we take calls though, I want you to hear directly. This is in Kansas. This is one of our clients. Again, her children were told in class 6th grade to essentially come up to the front. Name your heroes, put them on a board. They picked people who, you know, maybe are a bit controversial to the public school system president. Drop Charlie Kirk. And with that, they were told, okay, great. Here we said that. It can't be anyone political or religious that the kids then took that back and told their parents what happened. Parents brought it to the school. They had conversations. Before you know it, the school is talking to the kids privately saying, you know, next time don't talk to your parents about this. Come to us first. When the parent was approached, they said, what, what, what, what, what should I do about this situation? They said, maybe homeschool your kids? Maybe pull them out of school. You can figure that out, right? These are the real stories that are happening to our ACLJ clients around the country. And you can hear me say it. You can hear Will say it. You can hear someone of our attorney say it. But it's not nearly as impactful than when you actually hear the client get to say it. So again, Will, set up what we're about to say. That's right. This is the parent who is our client whose daughter was involved in this situation. And this is the parent being bold because it became a news story around the country, but specifically in Kansas and the Kansas legislature. There are members that are elected there that said, we have to make a law that gives reprieve for students. It gives an opportunity to fight back on the state level against these constitutional violations. And so this is in the Senate Education Committee in Kansas where they are debating this bill that has been introduced and whether or not it will move forward and hopefully become a law there. And our client is testifying in favor of the passage of this bill. Let's go ahead and watch the full testimony. We will follow the same format as the previous hearing. We will begin with proponent testimony. Two minutes each. Save questions after all proponents have testified. And we will begin with Brienne Vincent. Parent. Welcome to committee. Thank you. Senator woman Erickson, vice chairman Thomas, ranking minority member, and members of this honorable committee. My name is Brienne Vincent. I'm here testifying in support of this bill because my daughter and her six grade classmates were censored for expressing their religious and political views at Marshall Elementary, a school in Eureka. As a result of this discrimination and the school's response, I had to withdraw all three of my children from the school. On October 28th, the guidance counselor gave students an assignment called Find Your Voice. It should have been an empowering exercise instead it became a lesson in censorship. The impact on these children was immediate and the message was clear. Find your voice really meant. Find the voice your teacher approves of. But it gets worse. After meeting with the principal and counselor, the next day they addressed the six grade class. Multiple students including my daughter reported that the principal told them that in the future they should bring concerns to school officials first to not to their parents. I questioned the principal about the statement she suggested that I homeschool my children. When I requested that my children be excused from the guidance counselor's class, the school initially put them in detention during class punishing them for my objection to unconstitutional conduct. When my daughter was sent to class anyway, despite my clear instruction otherwise, sorry. When my husband questioned them, he claimed it was misunderstanding and that they would no longer accommodate us at all. I presented these concerns at a school board meeting in December. The board went into executive session. No public response, no corrective action, nothing changed. Due to the constitutional violations, I have filed federal discrimination complaints against the school with the Department of Justice and the Department of Education. This bill will protect future students' rights to express their political and religious viewpoints and the same manner as other students. While giving families legal recourse, this is in a war on teachers. It's a call for accountability, transparency and respect for families. This isn't about one counselor's bad day. I went to the principal, she defended it. I went to the school board, they ignored it. This is about a system that punishes students for their beliefs that tells children to hide concerns from their parents and that retaliates when families speak up. Ms. Benson, I'm sorry, your time is exact. That is our ACLJ client directly and again, our attorneys were out there with her. This is insane. You are hearing this coming from a school district in Kansas. Now the ACLJ team, we know just take it. We're taking it to court. We're going to make sure this person is fully represented. Then of course, if it has to go, it'll keep going and going and going. None of that happens, by the way. Do you think that this mother would want to take on the financial bills of a lawyer and a legal team? Or maybe even has, I don't know their personal background. But because it's within the scope of the ACLJ, our attorneys and our team jump into action, they fight the good fight and they're out there with her, making sure she's represented at zero cost to her. This is also what's happened. You got to be very, very, you know, have good conversations with your kids, your grand kids, whoever it may be, the children in your life to make sure you understand what's going on inside the walls of their classroom. Because they're probably plenty of kids, there's all don't talk to this about. Don't tell your parents. And maybe they take that as someone who is giving them from a place of authority. We got to make sure that doesn't happen. This is not the way our school system is supposed to run. The public school system is not set up to be the judge and jury and the censor of your children and the censor of, again, American citizens, your kids who are there. And then of course, specifically, are told, again, to me, the most ridiculous part is the don't tell your parents. But none of that happens because if people like you, it only happens. We only have a team there because people like you support the work financially at ACLJ.org. We got a couple calls coming in. I just wanted you to hear all that. I wanted to make sure we have time to get to them though because something had been a hold for a while. It's about more about Iran. I'm going to pick it back. Paul, calling in North Carolina. Paul, go ahead. Yeah. Thank you. Pretty much, you know, what you all have just talked about earlier and did do with that lady profess and what you subsequently mentioned is pretty much in line with what I was going to say. I did mention earlier though that with respect to moving the venue that, you know, we're dealing with an honor-shame culture when you're dealing, when you're having negotiations with the vast majority of people from that region. So sometimes, you have to give them a victory, so to speak. So I think that, in that sense, saying, okay, you want to move the venue? That's great. I'm going to give them their little victory. Now let's move forward and negotiate. But more importantly, you know, these people, the leadership, at least the regime, they are not going to acquiesce. They're not going to go away. It doesn't matter, you know, what we find, end up negotiating with them. They will sacrifice it. Need the hundreds of thousands of their citizens because their end game is at the end of the day, you know, to unleash chaos. And, you know, it's more of a, it's a spiritual belief that they have, you know, that they want to cause chaos on front Israel, on front us and usher in, you know, the next segments where the I-MAM would then come in, you know, their global leader. Hey, Paul, I'm only calling you off for time. And I hate that because you've been a hold for a long time. But I think I appreciate your comments and I think you're right. I want to quickly, when we got a minute, can we go to Mark really quick, Mark and Arizona? He's been a hold for a long time as well. It's okay if we don't have to play the music. Mark, go ahead. Hey. You're doing 30 seconds. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I want to do a quick. I want to pull this down to what I really think is a crucial issue. President Trump got on TV or got made a proclamation. Keep fighting. Help us coming. People went out on the street and died over that. Okay. They died. Lots of people. I mean, even Obama didn't do that. So I mean, I don't see any other way. And I like to, if you've got an explanation for how he could wiggle out of this. Yeah. We only got 25 seconds. I'm giving you a full explanation, but well, I mean, that is partially the concern that I was expressing earlier is that where this began, where we haven't talked since we bombed them, this all began because of the protest. And I want to see what plays out, give some benefit of the doubt, but I mean, Mark, you're not wrong. Yep. All right. Five seconds left. You could tell you go to ACLJ.org today. Come and champion if you can.