Morally Corrupt

We’re Still Talking About ‘Summer House!’ Plus, ‘The Valley’ and ‘RHORI’ Premieres.

74 min
Apr 3, 2026about 2 months ago
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Summary

Rachel Lindsay and Callie Curry recap premiere week for Bravo shows, diving deep into Summer House drama involving West, Amanda, and Sierra, while introducing two new franchises: The Valley season 2 and Real Housewives of Rhode Island season 1. The hosts discuss relationship dynamics, new cast members, and emerging storylines across all three shows.

Insights
  • Reality TV PR strategy has evolved to include strategic short-form video content and social media management to control narrative during scandals, as evidenced by Kyle's multi-part sidewalk interview
  • East Coast reality TV franchises generate higher engagement and more complex relationship dynamics compared to West Coast shows, driven by interconnected social circles and direct communication styles
  • New housewife franchises succeed by introducing characters with non-traditional relationship structures (open relationships, long-distance arrangements, unconventional dating histories) that create immediate conflict and viewer investment
  • Cosmetic procedure standardization within social circles creates visual homogeneity among cast members, potentially limiting individual character differentiation on screen
  • Reality TV audiences now expect accountability and consequences for cast member behavior, with social media serving as a real-time court of public opinion that impacts sponsorships and career opportunities
Trends
Increased focus on mental health and accountability language in reality TV narratives, with cast members expected to acknowledge consequences of their actionsStrategic product placement and brand partnerships (Lover Boy) becoming integral to cast member PR recovery strategies during scandalsRise of interconnected reality TV universes where cast members appear across multiple franchises, increasing crossover drama and viewer engagementCosmetic procedure tourism and standardization within wealthy social circles creating visual homogeneity among reality TV cast membersExtended production-to-air timelines (6+ months) creating information gaps that fuel speculation and social media discourse between filming and broadcastReality TV casting shifting toward characters with non-traditional relationship structures and complex personal dynamics over conventional romance narrativesSocial media sleuthing and fan detective work becoming integral to reality TV discourse, with audiences uncovering information faster than official narrativesIncreased scrutiny of gender dynamics in reality TV, with audiences holding male cast members to different accountability standards than female cast membersBravo's strategic use of multiple franchise premieres in single week to manage negative news cycles and redirect audience attentionReality TV hosts and podcasters becoming secondary content creators who shape narrative interpretation and audience perception of cast members
Companies
Bravo
Primary television network producing all three franchises discussed: Summer House, The Valley, and Real Housewives of...
Too Good Creamers
Episode sponsor offering farm-fresh cream coffee creamers with reduced sugar content compared to traditional brands
Complex
Digital media company where West Kelley obtained employment during Summer House season one, mentioned as catalyst for...
Lover Boy
Alcoholic beverage brand owned by Kyle Cooke, leveraged for PR recovery and product promotion during Summer House sca...
People
Rachel Lindsay
Co-host providing analysis and commentary on Bravo reality TV franchises and cast member behavior
Callie Curry
Co-host providing analysis and commentary on Bravo reality TV franchises and cast member behavior
West Kelley
Central figure in Summer House scandal involving alleged infidelity and manipulation of multiple women
Amanda Batula
Summer House cast member at center of infidelity scandal, facing public backlash and mental health struggles
Sierra Ferrell
Summer House cast member who was romantically pursued by West Kelley, now dealing with deeper betrayal involving Amanda
Kyle Cooke
Summer House cast member and Lover Boy founder using PR strategy and product promotion during marital scandal
Brittany Cartwright
The Valley cast member navigating post-divorce happiness and new relationship with previously known romantic interest
Jax Taylor
The Valley cast member notably absent from season 2 premiere, with opening scene featuring his sign falling down
Schwartz
The Valley cast member attempting to flirt with castmate Michelle while claiming potential reconciliation with her
Lala Kent
The Valley cast member joining show alongside Schwartz, initially controversial addition now accepted by hosts
Kristen Doute
The Valley cast member struggling with postpartum challenges and conflict with castmate Janet over friendship dynamics
Mia Barron
The Valley cast member with four children, maintaining composed appearance and confidence despite postpartum period
Lacey
The Valley new cast member and girlfriend of Jesse Lasky, previously sent cease and desist about being filmed
Jesse Lasky
The Valley cast member in relationship with Lacey, navigating co-parenting with ex-wife Michelle during separation
Michelle Lasky
The Valley cast member and ex-wife of Jesse, struggling with acceptance of his new relationship with Lacey
Kelsey
RHORI cast member in open relationship with boyfriend who maintains separate residence and girlfriend in Florida
Joellen
RHORI cast member known for mean demeanor and direct communication style, established as group's provocateur
Ashley Iconetti
RHORI cast member and Bachelor Nation personality, married to Jared with coffee shop business venture
Rosie
RHORI cast member married to Frank Sinatra tribute performer, seeking acceptance within friend group
Liz
RHORI cast member with cosmetic procedures from same doctor as Dolores, creating visual similarity between them
Quotes
"I am tapped out. I'm now trying to cleanse my timeline because I just cannot see anything else."
Rachel LindsayEarly in episode discussing Summer House coverage
"West is gone. He wasn't real."
Callie CurryDiscussing West Kelley's true character versus season one persona
"You really blew up her life. Well, she blew up her life too."
Callie CurryDiscussing Amanda's accountability in Summer House scandal
"I felt Brittany's joy. Happiness. I felt her light, how light she was in that moment."
Callie CurryDiscussing Brittany Cartwright's improved demeanor on The Valley
"When are we going to finally meet this Kelsey? Not realizing we had already met Kelsey because the pictures of Kelsey don't look like Kelsey in person."
Rachel LindsayDiscussing RHORI cast member photo editing
Full Transcript
All right, Lisa, do a crystal meth in the bathroom all night long. That's my opinion. You will never emotionally fulfill you. Because I don't want to be a part of this. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. Close your legs to marry me and trans-bop. I'll tell you how I'm doing. Not well, bitch. Hold on. Check me, boo. Welcome to Morally Corrupt. I am Rachel Lindsay. She is Callie Curry. It's premiere week. That's what we're going to call this episode because we are only covering the shows that premiered this week. I think something else could have premiered. I don't know. There's so much going on this week. But we're doing, actually Atlanta Sunday. That's what I'm thinking of. So we're doing the Valley. We're doing Rhode Island. Two very different episodes, but two that I'm very excited for to see where these seasons go. One I feel like I can predict. And the other I have no idea. I have absolutely no idea. I'm extending the rally. Yes. No idea where this season is going. No idea. And I love it. I love it. But before we get into our Bravo Recaps, a word from our sponsor. This episode is presented by Too Good and Co. Creamer. So I love hot coffee. But whether you enjoy your coffee hot, cold, bold or frothy, I got to tell you, Too Good Creamers make every sip a good one because they're made with farm fresh cream, real milk and contain three grams of sugar per serving. That's 40% less than the five grams per serving in leading traditional coffee creamers, which makes for a rich, creamy and delicious experience. Find Too Good Creamers in the Creamer Isle. Before we get into our premiere week with the Valley and Rhode Island, we're still getting all this information about Summer House. It's just coming out. It's like everybody who knows something is telling their story, particularly about West. We're not really seeing it about Vanna, but about West. I am tapped out. I'm now trying to cleanse my timeline because I just cannot see anything else. I know it's part of our job, but I'm also like, I don't want to see anything until the reunion. Can we just get to the reunion? It's so much stuff that's coming out. I'm trying to cleanse my timeline back so I can get back to punch. I see a punch video. I stay on it for about two to three minutes. So I'm like, let's the algorithm do its thing so I can get back to punch because I don't know how much more Summer House news I can take. You? It's a lot of Summer House news. My timeline, I should screenshot my Explorer page and see what it looks like. I'm almost positive it will be 80% Summer House and 20% Nail Designs. That's what I'm going to see on my Explorer page. I'm not sensitive. I'm not sensitive. I'm not sensitive. I really would like to know. I do like. Smart that we have not heard from Sierra. Like, I don't think that she needs to address this. That being said, I would like to hear from Sierra. Like I want to know how she's feeling. I want to know how she's doing. I would love to see the reunion. I'm so curious how that's going to go. I'm so curious if West and Amanda will both be there. They have to. Y'all were so loud and proud before. Don't like punk out now. I don't even know if they're still together. Well, based on Kyle's little sidewalk. Oh, don't give me started on that. I don't want to call it an interview because it was at least 20 minutes long. Did you see how he walked up to the camera? Like we know how this shit goes. Yeah, I mean. I can't even watch it. Well, it seems like West is playing multiple girls and West wanted to hitch his wagon to Amanda's tails, which like it did seem like that's kind of what was happening. But then he was also doing the way Kyle was like wording things and using like past and present tense. Made it seem like Amanda thought she was in an exclusive relationship with West and then all this stuff came out. And now she is really struggling mentally, which I've said this with Juliet. I don't think I'm not sure if I said this on when we had our emergency pod. Rachel and I don't want people to tell someone to kill themselves. Like I think that is ridiculous that people are commenting like crazy things like that on Amanda's posts. I want Amanda to be okay. That being said, you are a grownup and you made grownup decisions and that comes with accountability and consequences. So sorry, Amanda. I will no longer follow you. I will no longer buy your swimsuit. I generally don't want to watch you on TV anymore. And that's based off of the decisions that you chose. I do want you to be like healthy. I want you to live a life. I want you to be okay. And I want you to hopefully, hopefully learn from these God awful life decisions. And I don't think it started with West. It probably started when you decided to marry Kyle, although there was all of the red flags in the world for you and you still chose to walk down that path. After years and years and years and years of imparting of him lying, of him cheating, you thought for some reason you were going to change him. Make better decisions. But yeah, I hope you're okay. Yeah, who the fuck say that? Like, but all I kept thinking was the portion thing like, who said that guys? We're above that. We don't do all of that. But I will reach you for a film. Your behavior is disgusting. It's deplorable. I'm going to talk about it. You don't get, you're not free of that. I'm sorry. I'm going to talk about it. That problem, that alone for all the people who want me to be at the reunion, that alone is not going to get me sitting next to him. Yeah. Can you imagine? Yeah. For what I said, which I stand in it, I take nothing back. That alone, people are like, definitely eliminated you from the reunion. I'm probably not going to be the one that gets us sitting next to A.D. Now, would I love to sit there and navigate a conversation about, you know, the complexities of it that have to deal with the stereotypes that are placed on black women, just in general and on reality TV? Yes, I would absolutely love to do that. But I think I, if somebody said, hey, can you imagine? Everyone's saying Rachel, they're in an NBC executive meeting and they're like, everyone's saying Rachel should be a co-host in this podcast is something we should all listen to. And they're in a meeting and they press play and I'm like, New York City, good or bad. And they be like, um, let's go next to the next person on the list. Let's bring in somebody else here. Like, I don't know, a Lindsay Davis or a Robin Roberts. Yeah. You want my opinions and thoughts, please like, subscribe. It's who did some morally corrupt. I will say, I will say that, um, my friend's friend was like, out last night in New York, and he was, and he texted my friend. He was like, yeah, I think that guy who cheated on that girl is at this bar. Let me ask. Was out? Yeah. I can't, I can't get away from, I cannot get away from it. I'm trying. He goes, I think this guy is here. I'm not going to be in the restaurant. And he said that cheated on that girl or whatever. And then like the person I know, like responds. And he goes, yeah. Nick is corny. He tried to buy me a drink. It's an open bar. My guy. Wait, but she's, but this person was talking about West. Yeah. They're talking about West. They're talking about West. And like, this was like, this was like saying in a group chat of people. Yeah. This is a group chat of people. And like the girls in the chat were like, so your girlfriend, because you know, like it's serious, serious. Right. That's the quote, right? It's serious, serious. Whatever you guys have on is struggling per Kyle and like really not in a great place. And you outside? They can't make sense. You outside? Well, I mean, he's also, I haven't, I haven't checked, but based off Kyle's movie that he released, West is gaining followers. West is not receiving as much heat. It's like, he's very upset about the followers. Very. I think that's his number one concern. Number one concern is the followers. But it is, we had more heat for Amanda than West, but just because our expectations were so much lower than for our expectations were so much lower for West than Amanda. But like him just being out and about is wild. Like you really blew up her life. Well, she blew up her life too. Yeah. I just, I just, I can't believe that he would let her make such a horrible decision on his behalf. You can't believe Westwood? Well, I mean, obviously, I guess I should believe. But it's just like all the stories that are coming out. People are like, West got a girl in every area code. Like he is, it's, I don't even want to be redundant, but it's just like, and I wish I would have said this on, so this isn't being redundant. I wish I would have said this on our emergency pod. I've talked about who West was season one or what he presented, his fucking representative, the representative we got on season one versus who he's been since then. So this is, this is West, right? Like this is who we're getting. But what we didn't talk about is it's not even just that West pursued Sierra and, you know, played this, the long game, you know, to get her in knowing how that would be perceived with the audience and win him favor, which it did. And it seems like it's still winning him favor. People are still holding him to that standard. What? That West is gone. He wasn't real. Yeah. Um, let it also be known that West was broke with no job when he started dating Sierra and the moment he got his dream job at complex and you don't remember first season, he kept saying, I don't have a job. I got fired and he was interviewing with complex. We didn't know it was complex. Yeah. So, because remember he jumps in the pool when he finds out he got the job. So like you pursued Sierra and she was interested in you before you had fame and you had no job. Yeah. You had nothing. And the moment you get something, you get the job, you get the notoriety, you boost her to the side. Let's also not forget, didn't the way West have some digital dating show or like, it was like get to know West thought it was like on a boat. I don't know what it was. Cause actually that hot to a girl was blind dating or something. I don't know. Like let's also not forget these things. Like all the pieces when you put them together, create the putt when the puzzles finished is fuck boy. Right. Like it was all there, like right in front of our faces. But like the more I think about it and I love how I was like, I'm exhausted. I don't want to talk about it. Then here we are because who else are we going to talk to? I mean, but also it's everywhere and there's just more information and more information and more information that keeps coming. And even I guess Kyle, this was a good strategy because I'm going to keep referencing his movie, but even like the guy being like, when did this start? Like we still don't know the timeline. We see Kyle doesn't know the timeline. Like this could have been for months and months and months and months. And it has been reported multiple times now that Amanda told CRB a text message, which is also just crazy. Yeah. Yeah. The alleged location thing, the alleged took 15 hours to respond. The alleged friends or like friends that hook up and the alleged a couple of days before the announcement saying what it was, but allegedly. It's serious now. Yeah. And allegedly Sierra had already seen some, some type of photo, video, whatever it was. So yeah, it's while I almost like wanted to stop, but here's the crazy thing, Cali, this is what's crazy. The reunion is filmed in less than two weeks. It's going to be, we're not getting that shit till May. That we have to wait till May. Yes. They filmed the reunion and the episode of summer house that we on. Oh, it's not on the run. I don't know, but you always fill the reunion a couple of weeks before you get it. We're not getting it. Yeah. It is the first week. Yeah, we're not getting it. We're not getting it. So May, you're right. So like we have to relax guys. This is a marathon. We have to pace ourselves here. You're not, we're going to keep getting stuff from the rumor mill. Everything's going to be alleged. Sierra is not speaking before the reunion. That wouldn't even make sense for her to do a sit down. Like, let me tell you what she's not going to do. She's a browno definitely doesn't want her to do it. Yeah, like she ain't going to do women on the street walking like walking her cat. Walkie, she asked her down the street and happens to bump into the paparazzi. Like that's not happening. So we all just need to like relax, take the weekend off and wait until you know, we get something more concrete. Whatever you're doing this long weekend. Yeah. I did like that. Kyle also took to his Instagram and did a lover boy promotion, which, you know, you know, I was like, you know what, Kyle? Honestly, he should be. He should. That's what I was going to say. I was going to say, honestly, Kyle, I don't blame you. Like if you're going to gain anything out of this, this is what it needs to be. Come on. It needs to be putting everything behind lover boy. I even thought about purchasing some lover boy myself in the name of Kyle. Because at this point, they're separated. So everything should be post everything should be. That's what I thought about it too, but I was like, does Amanda benefit from this? It depends how they decide to separate things. Based off his sidewalk movie, he seems. To act like he is going to take care of her, like just make sure she's good. He's definitely putting her mental health about it. He's going to play the role. Whether it's here or not, let me not say on Instagram. I've heard it on TikTok. I don't know if he's talking to Lindsay 12 hours a day, but he's answering the questions right. He's using the name. Yes, he is PR. He's capitalizing. She is like, Kyle, you get on that street and say. I'm worried about Amanda. Like we'll figure out the rest later, but let's I'm worried about Amanda. Did you watch the entire short film? I did. All three parts. The quote, I didn't, but the quote where he's talking about how West is calculated and how he was that from the movie. Okay. So that's interesting to me. Even you're, you're definitely right. Like I was like, is this real or is it not? So if he's saying that West knows what he was doing and how he was painting him in confessionals, then he is now taking a page out of that book. So to be the complete opposite of that, again, whether it's sincere or not, doesn't matter. He's doing it. And to show that actually it's not me. This guy was a wolf in sheep's clothing. Didn't he say that? Oh, that is what he's doing. He's like, West is just going to charm his way around New York. He's been doing it for seasons. He sent me a word salad, half ass apology. He, he knows exactly what to say to women. He knew he purposely was doubling down on his interviews and he goes, by the way, we do our interviews after the show. So he knew what he was doing by trying to make me look like the bad guy. And I don't think that West is really in the place to be telling me or men like how to act. Like Kyle was like making sure to say, y'all all fell for it, which I 100% did. Y'all all fell for it. West knows what he is doing. He wanted to see who the popular person was, just like you mentioned earlier with Sierra, he knew what he was doing with him, like trying to ride her coattails. He was trying to ride Amanda's coattails because Amanda had a very, very promising path after this season because of everything that was happening with Kyle and he got caught. I really, really think he thought he was never going to get caught. He flew too close to the sun. He really did. He really, really did. Now, last question about the short film, was Kyle drinking a lover boy when caught on the street? He was not drinking a lover boy that he could. Come on, Kyle. Missed opportunity. But he had a lover boy t-shirt on. We needed both. It's time to double up. Come on, Kyle. Snap into it. Snap into it. Which in his Instagram post, he was like, guys, I was always planning to do this post about lover boy and I can't control what happens this week. But I'm going to still post how I was planning to post. You don't have to do all that. Again, I did also see what I did. It's a swan here way. I think this is a brilliant idea and I can't remember. I wish I could remember what, what, I think it was a podcast, a podcast I heard it on so that I could shout them out. So I thought it was such a good idea. They think that lover boy should drop like a betrayal flavor and it be like, they drop it and it's, let's say it's like cherry. And then when you drink it, it's a different flavor because it's not what it looks like, like you think it's one thing and it's another thing. And then lover boy do a collab with Sierra and it is what it's marketed to be. I was like, honestly, that's really smart. Also, I would love to buy a betrayal one and like open it up and have no idea what flavor I'm getting. I, yeah. Like remember Airheads? Remember the mystery flavor of Airheads? And then they started making them all like watermelon or something. And I was like, we're on to you. Give us, give us black cherry or something. But I love the white one variety. Yeah. Oh no, we love that. We love it. Excellent idea. Like hire this person. Matter of fact, I know I don't like your time for free. Donate your time for free. But I do think, yeah, they should do something with Sierra and I don't mean to be too, too stereotypical, but it should be like a blackberry flavor. So you could say the black or the berry, the sweet or the juice because that is that's the case. People are saying it should be like a peach flavor because it's from because she's from Georgia. Oh, OK, fair. Yeah, fair. Like a peach, Bellini, something like that. All right. I was like, this is a great idea. Get on it. And if Kyle doesn't, let's go to soft bar. OK, let's have a non-alcoholic drink. Oh my gosh. Forget about that. That was that was the best part of the entire interview. The entire short film that Kyle released. Rachel, I laughed out loud. What? Well, there's two. There's two. And one of them I'm saving for the end of our pod where we do our new segment. But this other one, he's like, oh, he's talking to the guy. He's like, this blew up so many things. Like it blew up our show that's supposed to come out. Like, how are we supposed to do promotion for that? And like, there was so much stuff we were going to work through on that show. And now it's going to be weird with everything that's happening. Like she really messed up so many things. Our friend group, everyone's upset. Carl's a mess. Is that where that came from? Yeah. I mean, why do people keep saying somebody will check on Carl? Carl's still pure. He didn't mention anyone else. She was like, Carl's a mess. I was like, Carl. I was wondering where that came from. Oh my God. Don't make me go watch this film. It is so good. And like literally I laughed out loud and then I was like, why is Carl so upset? Oh, I've seen so many posts about Carl's a mess. And I'm like, I'm so happy everyone else thought it was just insane for Kyle to say that. I was saying it everywhere, but I just thought people were being funny. No, Kyle said that. Yeah, he is funny. Kyle's funny. Kyle's funny. I need to go follow Kyle. I need to go follow Kyle. I need to follow. Hey, Carl's too. Kyle and the short film worked because I'm like, all right, Kyle, I want you to be OK too. You know, everyone was worried about Sierra and I'm still worried about Sierra, except for I'm more worried about her. I want her to be so successful off this, like as successful as possible. So that's what I'm more worried about. I'm going to be successful in internally because and I'm sure I have to. I've not talked to her, but watching her still struggle over West for three seasons. This is a deeper betrayal. So I know everybody's like, and it's easy to like I do not know this betrayal, but I know what it is to have to publicly put on a face when you are deeply hurt and embarrassed. Well, I guess my shit was kind of a form of betrayal and how it was done. And I know what it is to have to pretend like you're OK. And everybody being like, oh, you're going to be fine. Like, let's not a trope we didn't talk about as a strong black woman. Oh, like you're hot. Everybody's going to be after you. All these guys are going to want you. Mind you, we did this shit for Amanda and Amanda, like, you know, just like fumbled the bag. But like the whole you're going to have this and all these opportunities and even seeing her manager like tease, like big shit coming. How about like we focus on. Well, like I just hope that the tools are in place. Like I said, on the last podcast, because it is easy to get caught up in that. But the news cycle will turn and I'm rooting for her outside success. But I am equally, if not more rooting for the internal success. Totally. This is rough. And yeah. And we've, like I said, we've seen how hard it is for her to turn a corner corner emotionally. And this is even deeper. And it's like, imagine, like it's going to be hard trusting anything or anybody. And I know. So, you know, we'll see. But I got I got I got a detox. I'm done. I'm done. Let's let's do talk. We got two premieres. So what's this? If Bravo saw what was happening and they were like, let's give them something else to focus on. Yeah. Let's do that. Well, let's hop into the valley. Blistering son of the valley. Not. We're like meeting it. Like not too much drama. Not we're like checking back in. It's been like a year. We're tapping back in with everyone. Because I guess it's like every summer, right? This is like a summer film show. We're seeing where everyone is. We knew Jax wasn't going to be there. And they open it with this. I don't even like. If I didn't like, if you started the show this season, I wouldn't feel like something's missing. Like I have it doesn't feel like he's gone. Oh, you feel like he's still with us? No, no, no, no, I'm saying like, I don't even like it just feels like nothing. Like it was not a big difference to me that he was not there. Yeah. Was it to you? No, no, I I I thoroughly enjoyed the opening scene with the jack sign falling. Coming out. Coming out. If you told me that that was AI, I'm still OK. I'm still OK with it. Totally OK. Yeah. Loved seeing the the sign come down. I OK, so we meet Jesse and Michelle still not divorced. We'll get into the addition of his girlfriend towards the end, because that's how the show ends. We see Schwartz is with us. We see Lala is with us. Got to say I was I'm and I was anti Lala and Schwartz joining. I did not mind Lala being a part of this. I mean, I know either of them. I still I still I still only shorts. They were both fine. I was anti Lala and Schwartz and they both did not bother me in this episode. I Schwartz bothered me. Schwartz bothered me. Like immensely. You know why? Because I'm like, here we go again. Now, did I appreciate exactly? Exactly. We I in you can't in one breath talk about how you're happy that the restaurant ended because you learned so much from it. And there was this growth. I was like, oh, I like hearing about this. And, you know, how hard it was for him with Katie saying she wanted the divorce. And then the ending of the restaurant. And it was like, wow, your whole kind of world came crumbling down. And you've kind of had to rebuild. That was fine. But now. You're you're trying to hit on one of your castmates and make us believe that you and Michelle, which we know is not real, you and Michelle might be talking. I'm like, and here we go again. I don't want to see this. We don't believe it. We don't believe it. We don't want Michelle to date you. We don't want you to date Michelle. Please, please date somebody else in this city. So when I saw that, I was like. My suspicions were were right. Like we're just getting the same old shorts. G golly shorts. He's just fumbling around, trying to figure out his way through this show, navigating it. I just don't care. We've got we've got bigger things, right? We've got Brittany already in love with she's with the guy she met has known for 20 years ago. Like I want to talk about that new love, new characters, new drama, new like unhealed people like let's let's do that. So Brittany meets not me. So Brittany has a new guy, new to us, not new to her. She met this guy years ago, didn't work out. They were in different places in their life. Now they have found their way back to each other, both living in California. And they're already going on vacation. According to Zach, she's already in love. Zach is worried. Love this drama. Love this. Zach is concerned. He wants his girl to heal and he feels like she jumped too fast into this. And and from what I see in the first episode of Zach is correct. She has. Yeah, no, she has. But I also am like, it's fine for rebound. Not that I love you. It's not. But it doesn't feel like a rebound, Callie. It feels like she don't all in. I don't think you can help yourself. Yeah, she did dive all in and it is too fast. But I'm just like. She I'm happy that she has something different. She needs to. I think she needed this to just move on. Shut the door. Yes. Move on. I want her be with someone else. I like that she's feeling desired and sexy and loved and seeing her worth. And you do need that rebound or that person to make you feel like reconnect with yourself and remember who you are. So I do love that. And I got to say. There is something very just like. I don't know if the word is sweet. And it's definitely not pure, but just like when when we get when we pass through the opening scene of the sign of Jack's coming down and we get Brittany getting Cruz ready for school, I felt Brittany's joy. Happiness. I felt her light, how light she was in that moment. Like even her saying, OK, Cruz, let's go and Cruz had run back outside. And she's like, oh, Cruz, oh, Cruz. I was like, look at Brittany. I felt myself. I giggled with her. I thought like, you know, Jodi used to cry watching all these shows. I that's not me, but I genuinely chuckled with her. I said, look at me. She is much happier. And it's. Though it feels like you can see a cloud. Yeah. Taking away from her. Yeah. Yeah. You can just absolutely see like how much happier she is. And it makes it more enjoyable to watch. And even when she's like at dinner with the girls, like she's like cracking jokes and stuff. And I'm like, you can just tell she's in a better place. Oh, I love this for her. Also, just like I get nervous when. You got to you find a new guy and they know you're filming the show and they're OK being seen. Like and I'm not saying I like not. It doesn't mean that they're not that they're not pure, but like. I just don't trust anything in this world. I spent like with all the stuff that keeps coming out. It's just like I question everybody and we see that towards the end of this episode with Lacey, you send a season to assist. You don't want to be seen. And then here you are this season. Like here you are. So I yeah, Kristen and Luke, we get to see the baby. It's so funny to me that that baby looks just like. Luke and Chris is like nothing of me is is is a part of that baby. Like that was funny to me. Did you see Andy on Watch What Happens Live was like. Lala's baby looks just like Luke. Yeah, I mean, they say that. Yeah, and no, no, no, but Andy was like and she got the sperm from the same place that Luke gave his sperm to. Yeah, they saw it on the episode. Oh, no, I know. And she he asked Kristen like. You don't think there's any chance that it's Luke's and Kristen's like, no, the bank told her it was just it was a warm batch, like a fresh batch. But Andy, obviously, or I'm not obviously, I don't know. I feel like with surrogacy, like you have to work. It's very similar process. And I'm just like, I've Andy seemed so skeptical and I was just like, yeah, like, would they tell you it's a fresh batch at a sperm bank? I don't know. I don't know. I'm just like a real quick DNA test. But that is but wasn't Luke in Colorado? I guess it doesn't matter. I guess it can be from wherever. I always just assumed it was people within the same city. But I don't know, you know, I don't know. But the baby does look just like Luke. As my first time seeing Lala's baby, she's cute. Me too. Me too. She's cute. Chris, baby, cute, Adelaide, cute. What's Chris? They're all the same. Sorry, Kristen. I can't remember. But I do love that everybody has a little baby right now. I did love seeing the sip and see. I like poor Kristen, so overwhelmed. Like she's not in a good place. And you know what I do appreciate? Not that I appreciate her not being in a good place, but like Mia is so put together. And this is her fourth baby. Not saying that makes it easier, but like she's popping a mouth. You know how like they say, like the more you get, you know, you're three. It's like you're like less, you know, so concerned. Way less stressed, way less stressed. So Mia is like slinging that slinging Adelaide around. Like it's nothing like it's like another arm where Kristen, of course, is like, I haven't left the house. Like I haven't been alone. Like even people are not good, though. Like at the very least, she needs to get outside and go for some walks with her baby. Even Chris here and Kristen say, people aren't nice to me the same anymore. I just found it. I don't even have a baby and I just thought, oh, this is not relatable, but I'm sure it is for me personally, but for other people. And then, of course, her saying like, I don't feel like myself and intimacy. I think we know Mia is so put together that to me it's nice. I am sure if somebody is truly connecting with her, I had I had to keep using the word nice because I don't want to make it seem like it's great. We're seeing Chris and all, you know, like disheveled in this way. But I think it's just there's there's a spectrum when it comes to. Yeah, like Mia Pair has done 99% of the time, whether she gave birth yesterday or she gave birth a year ago. Beat face. And yeah, yeah. So and that's I would say not the average mother's experience and not saying that that's not OK. It's totally fine. But I feel like a lot more people are probably going to relate to how Kristen is acting right now after her first baby than Mia after her fourth. So it's good to see that like. There's people that that especially on reality TV, like. How Kristen is acting is a much more average experience. And so people I'm also hopeful that she's probably gotten like so much love from people being like, I didn't I didn't like leaving the house. I didn't like my body. I wasn't confident, but I'm here now, blah, blah, blah. And maybe Mia was like that with their first baby. Who knows? We saw her after the twins. So. And then now obviously after this third or fourth baby. But yeah, there are there are definitely moms like Mia who yeah, like snap right back. And like that's part of their like, I think it's for someone like a Mia, too. It's probably part of her like mental health, like get up, get dressed, look good. Like that probably makes her feel good. Oh, yeah. I didn't think about that. But yeah, that's probably like makes her feel like more like herself. And she probably learned that. After the first, you know, like second or third, like this makes me feel like myself. Danny and Nia and Santa Clarita, which we know Danny is thrilled. We know Nia had to be like dragged out there. And we don't really get it this episode, but we see previews for what's coming up that Nia's like, it took me two hours to get here. Baby screaming in the car. Yeah, it seems like she's not happy. Yeah, but they need space. You do. I mean, like she had to get out of that place. And sure. But like for I mean, yes, she had more. She knew if you have four kids, you're going to have you're in any more space. But I just want to be very clear. It's not close. It's not close. And that's why it's like a million dollars cheaper to live out there. If I live in the back, it's worth all these people. Millions of miles. You have to drive to come back. I mean, I would like, is she closer to Ventura? Is she closer to Ventura Airport or LAX? She's closer to Burbank. But is she closer to LAX or Ventura Airport? I don't know. God, I hope she's not. I mean, because I think Ventura, like a Gore Hills, a thousand. Is it a thousand? Thousand oaks, Calabas, like more that more out that way. But I mean, she's got Burbank. But which I personally love flying out of. But yeah, no, I mean, no, she's definitely I live in the Valley and Santa Clarita is far to me. Yeah. And I don't have and I don't even have to do traffic. So yeah, it's far. And I'm sure that's going definitely going to be a story line. But I would just imagine that with four kids that they will probably like it sucks socially. But I would imagine that most of their time is spent more at home than traveling. I mean, they're filming now, so it's different. All right. So I guess Kristen is still not team Janet. And something went down off camera at a party where it's like the same thing. Kristen and Janet don't get along. Brittany didn't have Janet's back the way Janet wanted her to. You know, like it's and the British like I was just shocked. I didn't know what to do. I don't know. So like that drama is still carrying on. I guess we'll see what happens with them. But I'm looking forward to the to the meet up. And then if it were you. Two friends don't get along. Kids are at your house. One friend walks in. The other friend starts yelling like she can't be here. And apparently Brittany said nothing and Janet left in tears. I think I would and not to take up for Janet or Kristen. I would just be like, y'all are fighting in my house. Yeah, she's around my kids. Yeah. So you guys can either get along or you can leave. But no one's the normal response, not the Brittany response. Brittany, we rarely see her take a side. And when she does, I feel like it's always fails. Not that I'm saying she takes the wrong side, but it's like the way she takes the side. It's like it becomes problematic. It becomes a thing. Yeah, it becomes a thing. But for watching this show, I'm so glad it played out this way because I want to see Kristen at times activate versus versus Janet. Yeah, I want to see it. But it does seem like this season, Janet, you know, she's talking about therapy, she's talking about how great it's worked. So I feel like we will get an even more subdued Janet than we had at the reunion. Because remember how like subdued she was at the reunion and Jason was doing more talking for her. I feel like we're getting we're going to give that energy coming into this season. She seems a lot more comfortable. Yeah. And like to be fair, she was pregnant. She had the baby. So like postpartum, all of that. I like were a year, the baby's a year old at least. It's different place. She's probably feeling more like herself, like all these things. And who knows, maybe we'll see she and Kristen kind of connect over that. Maybe like they might connect over those issues. Who knows? We do see her in the previous talking to Jasmine. And we know that they but they didn't leave last season on the best term. So we shall see with that. I am curious your thoughts as we round out the valley about Jesse's new girlfriend, Lacey, like Lacey was a character last season because she was sending a cease and desist about we couldn't say her name. She didn't want to be on camera. And now here she walks us in and not only does she do that. Did you see her interaction with Zach? Zach loves her. Zach was a lot of the people like her. Yeah, Michelle makes that. Also on social that Jasmine was commenting and being like, she's great. Yeah. Oh, yeah. March 25th. They are definitely together. Um, do you think Michelle's jealous? Jealous. Jealous of not Lacey and Jesse together. Nothing about Michelle wants to be with Jesse. But she makes the comment. It's kind of a throwaway comment of everybody kind of loves Michelle. Oh, Michelle's. And I'm so sorry. Everybody loves Lacey. Lacey's kind of around. I mean, jealous of the fact that Lacey is now a part of the group because all I kept thinking was you brought Aaron around super quick. So cool. So quickly. Yeah. And it was rumored that there was crossover. They she denies it. So I'm going to give her that. But very quickly, you brought Aaron in and Jesse had to accept that when the divorce and separation was fresh. And as we've talked about in this podcast, when a woman wants to divorce, she's been thinking about it for at least a year. So mentally, she was ready to move on. But and I'm not having I'm not taking up for Jesse here, but you brought your boyfriend around very quickly and then introduced him to your child. That is your right to do that. But now here comes Jesse with his girl and people liked Aaron. I hope that's his name. That's what I keep calling him. And then. OK. And then now Lacey's coming around and it seems to be people like her and she and Jesse are together and Michelle's not having it. Now, I get you being upset over a cease and desist. And it seems like, you know, she's like, Lacey's not who she says she is. And maybe she wasn't in the beginning with the cease and desist, but it made me think, oh, I feel like Michelle, you know, Michelle's single. Jesse's not. He seems to be happy. Happy. She doesn't seem to like that the tables are turned. That's how it felt watching this episode. Yes, I could see that. I thought you meant like jealous of her being with Jesse. I don't think that. I do think that Michelle might be like annoyed that Lacey is now on the show, that Lacey and Jesse are happy, that everyone else seems to like Lacey. Who meets Lacey, that Lacey is not an issue, that it seems from Jesse's accounts. That's really one sided that their daughter has no issues with Lacey and that Lacey has a daughter who's also friends with Jesse and Michelle's daughter. All those things could absolutely annoy Michelle. And the cease and desist, sure, it would annoy me. But I also wonder, like, Lacey probably did not want to be on the show after dating Jesse for three months. Like, I'm sure she was like, I'm not going to be on this show. I'm not filming. Like, I don't even know how serious this is. They've now been dating over a year and she's probably like, oh, this actually might be pretty serious. Like, we have started to merge our lives together. This is a part of his life. If I'm going to be in his life, like, this is what I'm going to do. Fair. You won me over. You proved the point. So I don't think it's crazy for Lacey to ask Michelle, what are your boundaries like with your child? Because I'm going to be around your child all the time. I think that's a great question to ask. And I don't. I understand Michelle wants no communication with her, I guess, but like. You're going to be around my kid. I would probably want to get to know you, whether I want to or not. Doesn't mean I have to like you, but like, I at least would like to be cordial with you. It's just you're right. And it's just like, it's just so rich. When we watched your guy all last season, he was coming on couple strips. He was like, it just. You expected Jesse to behave and be normal. And I'm not going to say Jesse was awesome, but Jesse also was more annoyed with Michelle than Aaron. Like he, for the most part, didn't have any issues with Aaron that I remember. He thought that he thought that they were together over the last. Yes. And they had those conversations, but Jesse wasn't being like rude and mean to Aaron. No, he was just that way too. Michelle, for sure. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, it's I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm interested in the lacy of it all. I laughed when Lala was like, I mean, she's got a bang in body. Like Lala. That's not what Michelle did here right now. And then she goes, you do too. I mean, you do too. That does not help Michelle in this moment. Michelle's like, why is she here? Which also points to her being friendly with everybody because like Chris, both Kristen, you know, if Kristen didn't want her there, she wouldn't be there. She's not going to be there. Yeah. So Kristen had it was okay with her being there. Mia was okay with her being there. Zach was like, love you when you saw her. Her name is Mia, right? And I keep sorry. Sorry. You know, I'm doing it too. Man named. I keep doing it too. Sorry. That is not Shane. I like this is a Shane podcast, but I'm not being shady with Mia. So I said Mia and Mia both when I was talking about her. And I was like, I don't know which one it is. And then you said Mia. And I was like, it's Mia. It's Mia. And then you just said Mia and I was like, wait, is it Mia? It is me. Confidently. I have called her Mia throughout this entire podcast. I have confidently said Mia. And I'm being shady and I feel like somebody's going to be like, oh, she must not like her. No, I have no issues. No, actually, I like Mia. Mia. Sorry guys, it's been a it's been a year or so. Like a week. We are we are we are reintroducing ourselves to these people too. We haven't talked about the Valley in a while. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. But I'm looking forward to the season. I am looking forward to the Lacey of it all. I'm glad she's here. We end with her popping up at the end of filming last year. Last year. She thought it was over. She didn't want to be on camera. She's there. I don't think I've ever seen an executive producer activated and being like, what are you doing here? We're not. And now. And now I get it. Because it's like, if you gave us a cease and desist and you're here and you're on camera, like, we don't want to get in trouble. Right. So I get the whole thing of it all. But then seeing Michelle yelling like, fuck you, fuck you. I'm like, what happened? We need more context to this. Her showing up surely could not have been a what made you say, fuck you. We're missing. We're missing something to the story here. I hope it comes out during the season. But yeah, glad the Valley is back. Now on to a treat. We had been rumored that Real Housewives of Rhode Island was a thing for a while. And it obviously has been a while. And I clock it from the fact that they filmed this a while ago because Pauley and Dolores are not engaged as we watch this. He's still her boyfriend. That's how he's introduced. I'm looking at Ashley Iconetti's baby. And I'm like, OK, I don't even know if she's had the second baby yet in this. But the other one. One of them was young. OK, I can't tell I can't tell the difference. So I was like, is this the first baby? Is it the second baby? So I was like looking at that baby as a three when they started filming this. I don't know how old he is now. Oh, he's definitely older than that now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, oh, this was filmed a while back. So I'm really curious to see. I bet this was filmed like at least a year and a half ago, if not two years. So I'm so curious to see what all we've missed. We're clearly going to get a season two because this looks amazing. Unless something crazy happens where there's a legal issue or a fucking West Side Story. I don't like calling it Scamanda as people are calling it. Yeah. Because I'm all most of my heat is for Amanda. But I want to call it West Side Story. I like that. I like that better. And he's a menace. He's a menace. I'm the menace of Manhattan. I'm the menace of Manhattan. So if I confused, I just want to set up set up a boundary here. If I confused the names Mia and Nia. And we are on season three of the Valley. I need you guys to give us some grace as we are meeting the women of Rhode Island. There are so many of them. And not only are we meeting them for the first time and there are so many of them, they keep doing pictures of these women. And that's not what they look like in person. So I like, for example, for example, I'm not going to. I'm not doing the catfish developing, but I'll get. I think Kelsey is a beautiful woman. And I thought she was beautiful when I met her. But then they started showing pictures of Kelsey. And halfway through the thing, the watching the first episode, I go, when are we going to finally meet this Kelsey? Not realizing we had already met Kelsey because the pictures of Kelsey don't look like Kelsey in person and she's beautiful in person. So why like what we got to stop? We have to stay in is out of control. It's out of control. You are stunning. And you don't need to do that to your pictures. I truly was like, when are we going to meet this Kelsey? So the pictures are throwing me off. All of them generally having the same aesthetic is throwing me off. All of them having a similar accent. I was watching this show, like I feel like I need to take notes to know who's who and what's what. And then there's like a Jolene, a Jolie daughter, a Rosie, a Rosalyn. Like there's a lot of. There's it's it's going to take probably a few episodes to really nail down each character. Also, on top of all of it, there's a few that like also look like Dolores. And I'm just like, wait, is that? No, not Dolores sound like Dolores look like not Dolores. That's Dolores. It's a lot. And to add that, they're all interconnected. So here's my suggestion, just suggestion for editors, because we know you can go in and still edit it. You probably are sees episode two is probably already in in the queue. But they're one point they do draw like this person knows this person and this person in a friend group. I need more of that because I can't keep up with the fact that this person knew this person since they've known each other since birth. This person is known as person for 20 years. This person dated my boyfriend, my boyfriend's brother. Her ex boyfriend is this. This person slept with this person. My sister dated this man. I'm like, now, do I love it because the drama is all going to cross over? Absolutely. So good. Guys, forgive us. I'm confused. I'm confused. I'm all confused. And for a first episode, we're generally the first episode is like introducing characters, which they introduced, but it was just a lot to keep up with. This was a five star episode, five out of five. Yeah. Yeah. So introductions. We got some background. We already have drama and the previous for the season look incredible. So good. You know what it made me miss? It made me miss East Coast housewives because I'm not going to. Well, we don't have Jersey right now. We don't have New York right now. The closest I guess we have is Potomac. And I don't consider that like East Coast like that. I mean, it's on the East Coast, but you know what I mean? So I liked the East Coast energy energy that we were getting. Very direct in your face, straightforward, very colorful lives. We don't we haven't had some of these story lines in relationships that like that we're getting and I'm eating it up. Now, back to the faces. The whole time, in addition to being like, where's Kelsey? I was like, why does this woman have Dolores's face? Why does she have her face? Then Dolores Kelsey. No, no, no, no, no, Liz. Liz. But then but then she meets we. So we meet Liz, she has the lowest face. I'm alarmed. I'm alarmed. And we then we realize, oh, they're good friends. And then you realize, she says, Dolores sent me to her doctor. The shock. Dolores's doctor is a one trick pony. How many people are walking around here with the Lord's face? I would assume that a lot of people in Rhode Island look like Dolores based off of based off of this crop. Callie, if I send you to my face doctor, which I do have one shout out to Dr. Trussell and you come back with my face. I'm upset. Well, that would be. I'm upset. Yes. Well, I don't know what Liz looked like. I want to know that. She is fresh because it's tight. I know it's fresh before and after look like Liz, Liz. Like it's her. She's she's pulled tight. So I don't know how fresh it is, but like it makes me nerve like it makes gives me anxiety because I see every vein, every muscle, every it's she looks great. Because I think Dolores is just stunning. And like her work is good. Dolores has had good work. Quite naturally ran into Dolores and a blooming dales, I believe, in New York and was like she looked incredible. Her work is her work is impeccable. The fact that that terrible ex-boyfriend she had was like, stop getting worked on. I get it. But like if I'm if that's what I'm looking like, I get why Dolores is addicted to she looks fantastic. And I also get why a friend would say, you look amazing. Let me go to your doctor. But not to have the same face even and acting like it was normal, bothered them acting like we all don't see it bothering. I mean, they were doing the cartoon character and the guy goes, are y'all sisters? And they're like, everybody says that. And I'm like, because you have the same face. Yeah. When are we going to talk about it? You have this. It's it's it's jarring. I know it is. It is crazy. It's crazy how much they look like they look good. But yeah, shocked. I've tried to think of other things that sit out. I mean, obviously I am deeply fascinated by Kelsey's life. And what makes me laugh? Because at first I mean the X dot pictures, the X dot pictures. So I thought that they were broken up and she was just like getting a great life. But the build up of so I haven't an unorthodox relationship. My my my boyfriend is only here five months out of the year. So I'm like, oh, he must live in Paris or London or, you know, let's do international work. That seems quite natural. You live on the East Coast that that's people do that. And then I remember thinking, so why why doesn't she travel with him? She doesn't work. You know, she's a lady of leisure. She should live half the time where he lives. And then we get, oh, no, he's just out in Florida with his other girlfriend. And I thought, wow, yeah, I'm just going to step in more seasons. And that woman is alone in her house for half the year. And you know what? Let's get her on Real Housewives of Miami. Let's boot that show back up and get her on Real Housewives of Miami. Genius, because we know the man doesn't want to be seen. So it's like great. Also, I'm like, can't we just like dig it up? Which I didn't. I will today. I didn't. But Callie, somebody give Callie. I used to say this all the time when I was on the Bachelor. I'm like, give give me an earpiece and a fanny pack. That's you right now for Miami. Give this woman an earpiece and a fanny pack. Callie, you need to be signed up as a producer for Miami. That is a didn't even cross my mind. How amazing would this be? I don't know. I know this is a is a tangent. How Miami got canceled. I'll never understand. I'm not over it. That's that's the scandal. But Miami, Miami, Miami. Call that. Miami. But let's let's add this woman to it and let's see what her life's like. I'd like to know who's better. I'd like to know who gets to see him more. I'd like to know who's one A and who's one B. I need the answers to these questions and we can't get it from just one side. Well, she did give us an inkling. And I feel like this is a dig and it's probably not true. But once we learned, oh, he has another girlfriend, she was like, well, I'm alone for five months. So I'm like, so she's saying she's the number one because she gets seven months and the other girl gets five. I was like, I see what you did there. She's talking to Alicia. Yeah, that's Alicia. Me, I don't know. She's talking to somebody and Alicia was like you or whoever was like, yeah, you don't want to play second fiddle. And I was like, oh, so she's saying that she's second place. I don't know. I just think she just means she just he like five months out of the year. You are second fiddle. And you know what it sounds like? It's she's like the first five months of the year. I'm like, OK, so he spends his he's a snowbird. He spends the winters in Miami and then summers with her, the summers in Rhode Island. Like, who is this man? What life is he living? And I thought he was probably super old, but there's a in one of the ripped out pictures you can see like his arms and I'm old, but just older than her. Not like he's not like 80. No, no, I would guess it's probably like 50 or like 47. And I just would like to do a rundown of why this is so interesting, because one, all these women are housewives. Let's start there. I mean, not Kelsey, but she is there all they're all in relationships. That's new. Then let's break it break it down. Alicia, Alicia's man proposed to her nine years ago when she was pregnant. And they're still engaged. Liz. Liz met her guy. They probably have the most normal. Well, actually, take the back. Liz meets her guy in a bar. He has three girls, so she immediately becomes a stepmother and they may or may not be related. Yeah, no, they are related. We just don't know how she didn't tell us how close. They are definitely related. We just don't know related how they did their ancestry. They're related. It was enough to come up on the ancestry. Yeah, Kelsey, we already talked about her. She is in an open relationship. Jo Ellen. Stalked her husband in high school who was into her sister who they may or may not have had some sort of relationship. She gets the man after chasing him. These are her words and she's rumored to be a swinger. Great. Rosie. Maybe this is the most normal relationship. She's only been married a year, but her husband, but her husband is a Frank Sinatra singer. Not and gets upset when people say impersonator. I cackled. That was funny to me. And then you have Ashley. I guess Ashley is the most normal, but I did cackle out loud when Rosie. I knew immediately that Ashley and Rosie were the ones that were friends because they're kind of outside. They feel like outsiders. I knew that was going to be Ashley's friend. But I laughed when Rosie was like, I mean, and she's super famous. I know. I would never describe anybody from the Bachelor as super famous. She said me and Ashley are the same except for her being super famous and have been and have been on the Bachelor Bachelor Bachelor Paradise, whatever. She's on like five. She's on all of them. She's been on all of them. She's like, and she's super famous. And I thought, OK, Rosie's a fan. Rosie's in Bachelor Nation. That made me laugh. Rosie clearly wants to be famous. I loved when Joellen looked up her show and was like two hundred and fifteen views. Fuck, I just gave her a. I just gave her a view. Two hundred and sixteen. Joellen is mean and she owns me. No, she owns it, though. She truly owns being mean. And that is crazy because they all know that she's mean and also want to be friends with her. Well, it's a maybe it's to keep your enemies close. Like they they're happy to be in her friend group. Yeah. Like she's she's probably funny. Like I don't know. I don't want to treat for everybody. A lot of times I find people that I know that are mean are kind of funny. And maybe it's like a mean funny and I'm not encouraging people to be mean. But I bet she's like a good time. I bet she's like a good time. And when you're around mean people, you don't feel mean. You're like, well, that's what she said. Like she's the mean one. Not that I have that many mean friends, but I know a couple of mean people. No couple of mean. I mean, I can be mean. Like I can make mean jokes. But like Joellen, yeah, Joellen wants to be mean. And she she drives it. She drives it. And I can't wait. I do. I don't know who said it. I think it was Alicia. Someone was talking about how like she knows that that's what people think. And so now she like lives up to it. And so I feel like because she already has that reputation, she's like, oh, I can just be mean. Yeah, it's her shtick. And yeah. So I say, thank you. It might be we it's not a characteristic when we are one or naming characteristics that make you a quintessential housewife. Mean is not one of them. But I may reevaluate the list after watching this season. Let's see how Joellen's performance is. And I might add that to the thing because you can't be too nice, right? Like Rosie and Ashley are already coming in too nice. Rosie, no. Ashley knows. Rosie's nosey, but she feels she feels I don't want to say the word is like her going toe to toe with a Joellen. I see her I see her backing down like she doesn't. She seems nosy, but not confrontational. Like I'm curious to see like bringing the gifts and she seems to be a little bit more of a pleaser than the other women do. Like it's clearly Ashley and Rosie. Well, Rosie wants to be in the group. Rosie wants to be in the group for sure. And Ashley just wants to find out. They've been friends for a while. Rosie wants to be in the group. Yeah, she just wants friends. I don't think she really cares about the popular girls or not. She just wants friends. Ashley wants a friend. And we saw Ashley cry already this episode. I think she held it together, but she wanted to cry. And I was just like, wow, I know that cry so well. Yeah, I've never watched Ashley on The Bachelor. Like I didn't watch it before. She cried like every episode. But I know that narrative that she cries a lot. And I know like how into Jared she was. But I've never saw her seasons. I didn't watch her Paradise. I don't. Yeah, I don't watch her Paradise or anything. Oh, she wasn't The Bachelor. Right. That's right. I said she was on all the shows. She wasn't The Bachelor. So I didn't I didn't see her thing, but I do know, you know, her narrative. But man, what I also know is Ashley likes being on reality TV or just TV in general. And I'm like, damn, you just. The the emasculating of saying that your husband's business, that he's super passionate about, like you moved to Rhode Island for him. And he wanted to build this and you're talking about how like it makes no money. And she says it in this episode. And then we see her say it in the previews coming up. And I'm like, damn, just like cut him with like, like just like take the floor out from underneath him. Like, yeah, well, you know, it makes no money. He doesn't have to have this business. And she's like, what's the what's the option to be an influencer? Like they they were making enough money, like totally fine, living a totally fine life. And he was like, I want something. Yes, as influencers. And Kudos to Jared. Yeah. Well, he was also just like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like I want like an actual and nothing influences not an actual job. It is. But like he wanted to like have a job. And Ashley's like, you have a job now where you're working 50 million hours a week because you wanted a quote unquote job, but you could just be an influencer. And that's your dream. Not his. And I get the frustration of like, oh, you know, when you're building a business, he's pouring into him. He was working the counter. But like, I think that's attractive. Yeah, like this is his dream. You want to be an influencer. You want to be on social media making skits about like that's not what he wants to do. And so I was just like, and then you're like, oh, well, you know, he went to this coffee shop that makes no money. I mean, I'm like, damn, that's rough. That's rough. It's not good. I hope she told him she said that before he saw it for the first time. I hope that was not the first time he saw it on the show. That's tough. I don't know. She seemed very comfortable saying it. So that's tough. But all that to say, such a good. I'm so excited for Rhode Island. Excited for this season. And. It gave a little old school housewife and I'm like, wow, Bravo really knows how to pick up. When we first heard Rhode Island, I was like, Rhode Island. That's so random. Then we meet these characters and I'm like, OK, I guess. I know you're right. You're so right. Like you hit the nail on the head. It's old school and I don't know much about Rhode Island. It looks amazing. I want to go now. Only thing I know about Rhode from Rhode Island is the Gilded Age. Like they all they travel on horse and buggy down to Rhode Island. They're like, we're going to Rhode Island to our house. I'm like, oh, wow. So I'm like, oh, this is where how the wealth was built. Like, you know, as we're watching Gilded Age, I'm like, oh, that Rhode Island. By the way, I do want to know what Kelsey's boyfriend does. No, no, no, we need to be on it. I'm sure like the sleuths are there. Like we'll find the red page. They've already figured it out. They've got the girlfriend. They've got it. That's what I need. What I need this episode to get a little bit of breathing room so that the Bravo detectives can get to it and feel free. Send me anything you find. I'm interested. Please, please. I'd like to I'd like to do the work with you. Please, please. Also, we need a distraction from the current stuff. Before we go, we want to do a little thing called like we are morally corrupt. And we thought that we would do start doing like what we found moral this week in Bravo and what we found corrupt. Would you like to go first? Sure. I will do corrupt first because it's just so easy. And it's very like we need to figure out a name for this like donkey of the week. You know what I mean? But like they do on breakfast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Corrupt king or whatever. I don't know whatever. Yeah. Obviously, I'm going to give it to not only Weston, Amanda, but specifically their joint statement. Their joint statement killed me and I cannot believe a PR person came up with that. Like can't imagine stuff a PR person coming up with that. And then what I found moral two things. First thing, the woman is from what we what's been rumored for women who has the video of Amanda naked or an underwear or whatever, not distributing it. Thank you. As much as I'm happy they got caught and I'm happy that they're serving their day in Internet PR court, whatever. I don't think you should be taking videos of people unknowingly, especially if they're naked and distributing it. So yeah, very good moral choice by that person. And my queen of morality. Actually, I don't know if it's a boy or girl. Kyle's dog. Wait, during the interview. I got a lot of tweets. During Kyle's short film in that time span, he, the dog shit on the ground, the dog peed on the ground and the dog attacked like two different people. And I was like, Kyle, all of this happening at one of those points, you should have been like, I need to wrap this up. All four of these things should not happen in one sidewalk interview. And I feel like that dog was trying to be like, this is too long. You got to go. You got to go. OK, that the dog sold me. Now I will go and watch it. That is so funny. That's so funny. It's so relatable as a dog owner, too. That's funny. OK, quickly mine. What I found corrupt this week. Well, I'll say first, what I found moral this week was Jack's not being on our TV screens. I said that's the most moral thing that you could do. No, Jack's like even the sign coming down, just the cloud of Jack's being gone. Amazing. And what I found corrupt was whoever made Carl be a mess. Whatever is making Carl be a mess is the most corrupt thing. Whatever is causing it. You are corrupt. Whatever it is. Protect Carl. Like the fact that that's what I was seeing people say. And I'm like, how did Carl get in this? And I love that you broke it down for me. But that's the most corrupt thing. The fact that it happened. This is something that happened to Kyle and Sierra. But people are like, protect Carl. Carl. Who ever did that? She was like, Carl's a mess. What? Where did Carl come from? Why are you seeing your brain? It's so good. OK, that is it for us. You're all morally corrupt. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I hope you enjoyed this week in Bravo as much as we did. So much good stuff to come. We've got Atlanta coming next week, which we know we're already being told how great that is and we have two new housewives that are coming through with that. But until then, guys, have a safe weekend. We will see you Tuesday for News of the Week. There is a lot of news to cover because everybody was so into what's going down with the West Side story that like certain things happen. I think the funniest thing is Jinsha dropped an exclusive interview and everyone was like, not now, Jinsha. Not now. Truly, I haven't even seen a clip. Nobody's talking about it, but we will on Tuesday. Until then, guys, take care. Bye. Bye.