Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 88: Live at the Comedy Theatre

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And the Remind Me buttons, because that's the best way you can support our show. Goodbye! Goodbye! Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen in Georgia. That's right. It's Wednesday, which means it's time for us to recap our old episodes with all new commentary and updates and insights. And we are recording this one today from the studio at Bahamar. That's right. It's a beachside podcast space at the Bahamar Resort in Nassau, Bahamas. We are literally in the freaking Bahamas right now. We came here for work. It's the greatest thing that's ever happened to us. Oh, this is our job. It's amazing. Okay, today we're going to recap episode 88, which we named Live at the Comedy Theater from our live show in Melbourne, Australia. Yeah, so we're talking about Australia. We're in the Bahamas. We are women of the world. And this episode came out on September 28, 2017. So now let's listen to the intro of episode 88. Hi! What's up? Melba! Hi! We put on hand lotion like right as we were walking out. A little bit greasy for you. I'm not rubbing my hands because I'm nervous. It's because... We've been waiting so long to see you, Melba! Thank you so much for being here. This is... You alright? No. Yeah. We're really... Yeah, we're excited to be here. We've got a lot of stuff already today. You guys have cute things. Yeah. Some quality... Well, can we just start? Yeah. Can we start where I need to go? Yeah. I didn't want to bring it up myself. No, it was mine to bring up. It's mine to bring up. We were just, George and I were just sitting in the dressing room, you know, in one of them light up mirrors like they have backstage at theaters like this. We're just putting on pounds and pounds and makeup and talking about stuff and whatever. Like we do. Just slowly as we're chatting, I just started to tilt a little bit to the right. And right as I was about to turn to Georgia to say, hey, are you tilting to the right as I am? The chair I was sitting in folded underneath me. The legs of it broke. And I fell all the way down to the ground. but i fell butt first with my hands toward georgia like contact the whole way down help me and it was so slow and so sad like and i have that problem of like laughing when people have unfortunate events but i know like oh no isn't this back for you anyway like it's very thoughtful this is this was your way of like helping me? JoJo's like this. No. Her arm was barely extended. No. A, I was laughing way harder than that. B, I think I just went to you and hugged you. Because I was like, this isn't going to go well. I kept thinking that I was going to be able to recover because so much time was passing. It was like fucking January, February, March. But you were just playing there. This is going to end soon. This is going to end, but instead it just kept going. You were just playing there laughing. Like, don't even get me up. A little bit folded up, and then Vince had to come in and pick me up off the ground. It was that major. Well, today, earlier. Hold on, I'm not done. No, because. I was going to share a thing that happened to me. I know. I just need to fully process mine, though. It's yours. It's yours. It's your moment. I'm positive mine's worse. The waves of shame are still hitting me. No shame. No, so much. It was like the chair had been broken before, clearly, and was now duct taped together. And that was the story we're going with. No, I swear. When you bend metal with your ass. Okay, what happened to you? Did you fall down? No, I did something dumb in front of a lot of people. Well, it wasn't, but whatever. I was like, birthday in Melbourne. I'm going to go shopping, all kinds of vintage stuff. And I was like, I'm going to go sit at a cafe by myself and have breakfast. And like wear a scarf. Yeah, I was wearing a scarf. So I got all dressed up and I put makeup on. And I was like leaving the hotel with my headphones in. And like all these like dudes who park cars. Valets. Valets. And I was just like, da-da. It was very like sex in the city. And then there was a step I didn't see. and then when i you know like when i do anything i make a lot of like like i can't just step off a step and not know it's there and i fucking tweaked my back a little and i turned and looked at the one of the guys just to be like can you believe you know just to be like i'm okay and he was just staring at me like he was disgusted at me we're gonna get him fired yep so it's been a clumsy day yeah and then and then just one more just hit me oh no yeah it's just gonna keep happening until i eat pringles in my hotel room tonight alone do it i will you guys what an amazing trip we're in australia for christ's sake I have to tell you, when they first suggested this idea that we come down and do this tour, both of us were like, oh, we can't do that. Yeah. We can't travel. Can I get anxiety? We can't go far away. Yeah. It seemed impossible. Yeah. It seemed like a joke. Yeah. Like, yeah, we'll go. Okay. Sure. tell them we'll be there totally um but then it actually worked out yeah i think a big part of that was that um somebody and i'm not sure who it was flew us first class oh yeah don't be jealous i feel there's definitely some anger we'll go anywhere if you fly us first class we'll go fucking hell we'll be like first class we'd love to go to hell and do a couple shows yeah do they have a uh do they have a menu i can take a look at do they have a lounge all the people we talk about are there we might uh it might actually be very dangerous for us to go there but to make things fair and like to make myself not get a big head i stole something from first class that's right georgia georgia kept it super real in first class yep um it was a little like fuck the man And yoink, you know. Punk rock always. Yes. With that. Yeah. But can I get another champagne, please? Yes. And I need a better pillow. So you got really excited because they served us food. And you know I love that. That's not the part. I got really excited because they served us food. Everyone gets excited about food. Then Karen turned around in her seat and said to me, did you see the salt and pepper shaker? because they were a little pepper and a big salt in the shape of the Sydney Opera House. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. It was, like, pretty adorable. I thought. So then I had four wines with dinner. Or breakfast. We're not sure. We don't know what time it was. We still don't. They closed the shades. They turned the lights down. There was, like, you know, they put, like, fake twinkly lights up. So we were, like, dinner, great, wine. Yeah, I believe it. Dinner. Dinner. line uh and then i after dinner i go backstage to get uh to the bathroom and backstage you called it that twice is that because the curtain yeah i know there's no more like bustling around working it reminds me of like well you know what you think life's really like which is like this everything's fake we're not really on a plane in the air it's like it's simulation in your brain so we go backstage yeah the action happens that's where all the clockwork right It's four hamsters and a thing making the plane go. Exactly. Everyone's working and bustling around, and I'm waiting for the bathroom and the laboratory. Excuse me. The laboratory. Yeah. I'm first class now. And I'm, like, scrunched into a corner, and I look to my left, and there's, like, a big tray full of salt and pepper shakers. And everyone suddenly is, like, turning with their back to me. so again four four wines and so i fucking into my scarf took care of it and then i walked by karen thank you thank you oh no the police and as i walked by karen i i was i was like giddy while i was like even peeing i was like oh she's gonna love it i was like i should say that for when we're like in brisbane for our first show i can't do it i can't do it i can't do it i have to do now and so i walked by and like threw them at her and i had already was trying to figure out how to look them up online to buy them i was like would that be in sky mall or does virgin have their own version i'm like all like this of course there's no wi-fi to check anything so it's just all up here and then squirrely Scarfie walks by and goes like that and puts him in my hand. I almost started crying. I went, I tried to grab her face. I was like, oh, my God. But quietly because everyone else is asleep. Except for the baby that was screaming in first class. Wow. First class baby. Rare. A rare bird. Screaming first class baby. Screaming first class baby. You can hear the other, the people who are used to being in first class who live there, and that's their normal life. They're just like, is the baby leaving before we take out? Where's the, who's taking the baby away? Is there a night nurse or a wet nurse somewhere to take the noise-making baby away? Maybe a white, wet night nurse? A white newt nurse. Too many words that I just tried to say. at once um what was the other thing oh how about the shirt you got me oh just today you mean uh-huh so then i was walking out in melbourne doo-doo boo uh i do have to admit we were in auckland uh for 48 hours and i saw the inside of my hotel room and then the inside of the theater that I was in. I know, it's not funny because it's like the most beautiful country on the planet, perhaps. They don't want to hear that. No, it's here. Oh, are they like, is this like the Dodgers versus the Giants style, total vicious? Yeah, or the coast versus the middle of our country? Oh, right. Red State, Blue State? Uh-huh. Is this some intense political shit I just stumbled into? anyway it's so ugly I stayed inside Stephen, cut it! oh Stephen's here, you see him? oh Stephen's here! come on! Stephen, wave to the people! look at him! look at him! say hi! Hi. Yeah. Say hi. Hello. There we go. Okay. Now, can we have that spotlight? Steven's going to sing a song really quick. No, Mike. Okay, bye. Bye. Bye. Somebody that... We're making him sleep in someone else's car. No, we're not. It's his own car. You're like... That was the most hilarious older sister movie. We were like, come out here, get away. And I found even anyone's older sister. But I'm good at it, right? It's pretty fun, right? Yeah, it is. We have good training. She got me a shirt. There's a store that you guys have. It's like the best. It's called Dangerfield? Dangerfield, yeah. Fuck. It's so cute. Everything. I got a scarf that's like flower print. And then there's just flying squirrels with little ones all over it. And then one that's the same thing. but flying bats all over it? It's like the best. As opposed to ground bats? Shit, I meant bats and flying squirrels. Is that what I, whatever. No, you got it, you got it. I don't care. Bats. Bats. And then you came back from the hotel. Well, I was in the store. She showed me all these things. I'm like, now I have to go. So I'm on the top. Because at every point, somebody, either Georgia or I, has to be laying in their bed. So she took her first shift and went out into the world. And then I stayed there eating bonbons. And then she came back. And then when I went out to Dangerfields, I was like, I wish I was 30 years younger so I could wear some of these wonderful pigeon prints or whatever the stuff is happening here. But I'm like looking through. There's so many cute things. Tiny things. Also, like, what size is a small or a medium? What size is a medium here? I don't know. It's all small. And the tiny shop girl was like, well, I'm an eight. And I'm like, well, then I'm a fucking 40. Oh, my God. You fucking bitch. Oh, anyhow. No, but I'm going through these shirts and everything I pull out has like a different wonderful, like a koala with a gun or whatever. It's just like just great ideas everywhere. You know, you're your mascot. It's a koala with a gun. What you love. flip flip flip pull out and there's a shirt and it has a gray cat sticking out of the pocket wearing a babushka looking mad and i was just like so i text i took a picture i sent it to georgia i'm like why didn't you buy this i was like i had been like fuck you and like put it back well clearly i didn't see it yeah so then she came back knock on my door and i uh i brought I brought it to her, but Georgia, I don't know if you know this about her, but Georgia loves to be nude. Oh. Yeah. It's nude or house dress is my, like, preferred form of being. Yeah. Preferred state of being. It's fun. My preferred state of being is slowly falling off of a chair I've broken for the rest of my life. I do like to be nude. It sounds so like pervert-y, but it's not in a pervert-y way. No, it's natural. Yeah, so I answered the door naked. I like to use it as a joke. She's like, what's up? I was just like, here's your shirt. I wish I didn't get you now. It was basically like, put some clothes on. Put this on. With pants. It's fun to be, it's fun to, like, people don't expect you just to be. What? You know, naked is funny. It was funny. Thank you. It was very funny. We know each other very well. Yeah. Here's what I was going to say. So when we got here, when we were in Brisbane the first day, one of the first, so another part, we're just going to keep talking about first class. It never happened. It's new it is to us. Like you guys would too. It never hasn't been in. And perhaps you do. If you ever go to the fucking first class lounge, they have all the stuff sitting out that's like the nicest stuff to eat. Like before you even get on the plane, they're like, don't worry, you don't have to hang out with plebs. Go upstairs. Get out. In the airport. Don't eat Burger King. Come up here. And so they have these little jars. What? It's Hungry Jack's. Oh, Hungry Jack's. Hungry Jack's. Wow. It's good stuff. so they had all these little jars of yogurt with muesli mixed in which is very foreign and we don't have really that in america you have it but it's like at whole foods and it's for hippies whatever she's talking about muesli not yogurt you just have yogurt with granola yeah you guys have yogurt and dried fruit goat's milk yogurt served by the goat who gave you the milk so charming stewed fruit stewed fruits tied in a ribbon stuffed into your muesli so i was like this is my new lifestyle i'm just gonna do muesli and yogurt for the rest of my life and then we were joking around i was we were like oh no because we were then we somebody gave us tim tams and we were like oh shit here's the dream because tim tams are clearly the perfect food second only to muesli and yogurt and we were like what if there was a tim tam murder that would be so amazing either that's the weapon or it's you know they fight over it yeah two people is the last box or whatever well i'm looking on the internet if you like to do there has been a muesli murder what did you hear about that she's bringing this on me yeah oh you did not i told you When? Okay, listen to this. Can you give us a second? The fucking owner of a famous... No, you're not telling us. I swear to you, the owner of a famous muesli company, a 75-year-old man, stabbed his business partner to death. Do you know about this? There's a murmur. Very recently. A murmur from the muesli community. They had to shut their specific muesli company down. I think it's called the muesli company. Wow. Wow. Something like that. Did he do that? That's so weird. And then the murder I did in Brisbane. Sorry. The chick confessed because they gave her Tim Tams. Remember? Oh, yeah, that's right. That might have not been correct, but I saw it in one article and I was like, I'm going with that. Who cares? It doesn't matter. This, by the way, is my favorite murder. Oh, yeah. Clearly. This is Georgia Hartstark. I'm Georgia Hartstark. That's Karen Kilgarrow. I'm Karen. Thank you. Thank you. All right, sweet. Is it sit-down time? It's sit-down time. I think that's it. We've done everything we can. We've done everything we can. I'm scared to sit down. Do you want to switch chairs just in case? I mean, will it help? They do look... Okay. Just... If I start to slide to the right, just... You there, just stick your hand up. Just do one of these. Karen. because I can't do it again. You're responsible for this. You just put a lot on that poor girl who's not going to enjoy the show now. It was like this. I thought you were like aghast at something I had said. I don't remember what I said. It was almost like a Michael Jackson kind of like but then I ended up on my ass. I just want to make it clear that I did not just laugh at you and not try to help. You, I came for you to save you. I just happened to be laughing the whole time. It was just so slow. Also, I just knew you couldn't help me. At that point, I was beyond help. It was like, here's the thing, and we all know this. Once you fall in public, like, you can start to fall, and you're like, and if you catch yourself, you can just walk away. Maybe you have some hot cheeks, but that's all right. You hit the ground, it's over. You're fucking done. You're done for. You're the person that fell. If on top of that, you're the girl that broke two legs of a chair, Good night, nurse. How am I here right now? It doesn't make sense. How are we doing? How's your half-eaten mint? Yeah, I shouldn't have put that in right before we walked out on stage. And we are back. I have a really important question for you. Yes? Do you still have that salt and pepper shakers that I stole? Absolutely. You do? I brought them up to my dad's house because I was like, I will knock them off a counter and have them drop. So they're in my dad's kitchen. I literally see them every time I go to my dad's house. Oh, my God. Because he's, for some weird reason, I can't remember if we talked about this when we were there. He loves Australia. My parents went to Australia for a big trip. Yeah. And he was going to go again. And so I brought them up and showed them to him and then was like, what if we just put these right there? because they're like sculptures. I know. They're like, it looks like the opera house. I mean, it's so good. If they don't want those to get stolen, they shouldn't make them look so fucking cool. Yeah, that's, people must have stolen them all the time. Right? All the time. And I bet they knew that I did. I probably wasn't like chill. I'd have four glasses of wine with dinner. I will say this. When you handed them off to me, you, it was the kind of thing of like, you were acting out the thing. I was like, just steal them. Just steal them. No, they'll know it was you. you have to act like the kind of person that's been in first class before stop blah blah blah and then when you did it you just it was such a secret handoff that's hilarious i'm proud of georgia from 2018 she did some great stuff then she had some great moments also one of your greatest moments is how the way you helped me and or didn't help me as my chair fell apart in slow motion i remember that exact moment you were so slowly collapsing it was the weirdest because you weren't getting hurt i could tell no but it was so funny we didn't know it was almost like we didn't know what was going on but then it was like once i tipped past the point at the center we can't ignore it anymore it was just like reaching and then your reach was a classic like when your sisters like hand me that thing and you're like here the chair was melting yes slowly i didn't understand what was happening why would someone duct tape a chair leg back on and expect it It's on them. That's not even your embarrassment. But also, it might as well have been the theme of the entire tour. It's just like the funniest, weirdest experience. Steven was there. That's also the show where someone gave us, like, they left us presents after the show. And I think someone accidentally gave us their makeup bag. Oh, yeah. Because they have like a murder makeup bag. Yeah. And I think they accidentally, like, because I got their sunglasses out of it. They got a photo of myself in the sunglasses. Yep. But yeah. Free shit. What a trip. We love free shit. Okay, now let's do your story, which is such a crazy story. And I had never heard this one before. I still can't believe that this is the first time I ever heard about this story. One of the worst. And that you did it live. Yeah. And that it's a very special episode because it's got our very first introduction to Paul Onions. To Mr. Paul Onions. All right, let's get into Karen's story about Ivan Malott and the Backpacker murders. 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And this week on Bookmarked, we're basically hosting the ultimate girls night. Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Garner, Judy Greer, Rita Wilson, and Gauri Rice and author Laura Dave. These are the women behind season two of the Apple TV series, The Last Thing He Told Me. We're talking about turning a book into a hit show and what it really takes to bring a story to life. The most important metric for me is do I want to share this book with somebody? That's what creates community, and that's the main thesis of our book club and why we started it, was just to connect people together. Listen to the bookmarks by Reese's Book Club podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So you're first, right? It's me, right? All right. Okay. I'm going to settle in. Guys, I decided to just go for it and pick one of the most famous serial killers in Australian history, Ivan Malat. Wow. I spit a little. Uh-oh. Is he here? Something like this is going to be embarrassing. Titter, titter, titter. Titter, titter, titter. Titter, titter, titter. I went to school with Ivan Milat's grandson. I worked with his nephew. my mom used to be in this office where this wife of the secretary turned out to be we want all those people to email us by the way yeah that's right you had best that cheer we always feel like we need to say for the people who are here for the first time with people who force them to come the ushers the people that work here people who have never listened to this podcast we're not cheering for murder we're not I mean, it seems like we are, but I swear to God we're not. That's not what's happening. Remember in Auckland when we were meeting people afterwards and these two girls came up and we hugged them and then I looked at the girl's face and I'm like, this is the first time you've heard the podcast, huh? She's like, yeah. It's like I could tell by your face because you were not happy to see us. You were a little nervous, but your friend was like, hi. You were like, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, you guys are scary. We're an acquired taste. Yeah. By cool people. Like, what's it called? Marmite. Yep. Vegemite. Vegemite. Sorry. Sorry. It's called Vegemite. Sorry. Sorry. Some girls said to us, they gave us Vegemite, and then they go, don't put it on like Nutella. Yeah. Because I think that's the mistake of it. It's disgusting. And it's like, well, you ate a fucking spoonful of it. you're not supposed to, like, eating a spoonful of mayonnaise and being like, ew, it's gross. Or it's like, well, you fucking did it wrong. But I love the idea that, like, you put on everything like a Nutella. You're just like, we're all going through life like, I bet this is super delicious exactly like Nutella no matter what. Even though it smells like fucking nickels. I mean... What's up, Australia? Okay. I would like to say that my sources for learning all about Ivan Milat and the backpacker murders are a British show called Crimes That Shook the World. Congratulations, you shook the world. A show called Crime Scene Investigation Australia, which is, yeah, it's really good, except for on YouTube, it's ripped. And so it's backwards. it only takes up like a quarter of the bottom of the screen and the audio is sped up so as i watched it i began to go insane so i took the hit for you on that one oh wow and then also a website just called news.com.au no karen your your computer is on fire right now back at the hotel It's all just Russian people in my computer. Oh, look at this. She's weird. Wow. She likes violence. So in the late 80s and early 90s, Georgia, I don't know if you know this. Let me know it. This was really my time when I was really at my prime. I hardly broke any chairs and I was doing all kinds of drugs and drinks. Well, people who weren't total losers like me were backpacking all through Australia. It became such a huge thing because you could come to Australia cheaply and then you could, on a shoestring budget, you could backpack all throughout the gorgeous country. You could go to the gorgeous world-famous beaches. And actually, they started building youth hostels so that people could do this. And it turned into a billion-dollar industry. of backpacking around Australia in this time. That all changed. Oh, no. Yeah. On September 19th, 1992, two joggers who were running on a trail in Belangelo State Forest. Never run on a trail. Oh. Belangelo. Oh, I added an E in there. Sorry. Belangelo. I'm homesick. Um, Belangelo State Forest. So they're jogging. Imagine this. They're jogging on a trail and they smell something. No. So strongly that they know it could only be a dead body. Wow. So they go off the trail about 10 meters. I don't know how far that is in America. Listen, we were busy shopping all day. We didn't have time to do conversions. I've been shopping and falling. Me too. And so in the brush buried under some sticks and leaves, they find the body of Carolyn Clark. The police are called. They set up the search area. And the next day in doing one of those walking searches where it's like 30 police officers arm to arm, they find the body of Joanne Walter. She's found about, oh, 30 yards away. Okay. I'm going to go metric and American. All right. All throughout this. Throw them in there. What's up, yards? Okay. So these two women had been missing for five months. They were both young British students who had come separately to Australia. They both had always dreamed of coming here and backpacking here. They both loved traveling, and they met at one of these youth hostels, and they had decided that they were going to spend the summer picking fruit to make money and then finance their backpacking around Australia. So in April, after they had kind of done all that, they had decided to hitchhike back to Melbourne. And that was the last time anyone saw them alive. The police determined that Carolyn had a sweater tied around her head. She'd been raped and shot in the head ten times. Holy shit. Joanne had been raped and she'd been stabbed 14 times. What? Both of the women were bound and they had found Winchester cartridge cases near the bodies. so yeah it's real quiet um okay but other than what i just named there was almost no evidence um that they could find and so essentially the case went cold and so a man who lived nearby and who knew um that forest really well his name was bruce prior and he had kept checking the newspaper to see if any other stories would come up about these two bodies that had been found there and he didn't see any and so he decided since he knew the forest so well he was just going to start going out and looking to see if there was anything else to be found so for the next nine months holy shit he searched around a thousand meters of forest and then uh one day he spots a human skull it's upside down in the dirt he picks it up oh he didn't know it was the 90s um he brings it to the police and so he had good intentions it don't he meant well at least he didn't use it as an ashtray yeah that's for a couple months or he didn't go like i was right and throw it back down shows that this will show them okay so basically the police were like holy fuck and they come out and they set up a perimeter and they start searching the area. And then a second body is found. Well, this is actually a fourth body. It's found 22 meters away from where that skull had been in the ground. So these are the remains of James Gibson and Deborah Everest. They were two students who grew up in Melbourne. They decided that they were going to hitchhike together to a music festival in Albury. And they had both been missing for four years. Wow. So James's bones had been marked with multiple stab wounds. Deborah had been bound. She was savagely beaten. She had a lot of broken bones in her face, and she had been stabbed. Their bodies were 600 meters from where Carolyn and Joanne had been found. So now the police set up a task force of 300 police officers, and they start combing the entire forest. So relatively soon after that, they find the remains of German tourist Simone Schmidl. She disappeared while she was hiking from Sydney to Melbourne on January 20th, 1991. And they determined that she, based on the marks, and this is how it happened with a lot of these remains because there was so little of them left, that they just had to count the stab wounds on the bones. So they knew she had been stabbed minimum eight times. After her body was found, the police made an official statement that they had a serial killer on their hands. And that statement, of course, makes international news because Simone Schmidl was German. The first two women were British. It just goes everywhere that now hitchhikers are going missing and then bodies are being discovered. Well, up in Birmingham, England, a man with my favorite name in the world, Paul Onions. Oh, my God. Come on. Dude. Dude. Go find him. I mean, I have to make him mine. Paul, you don't know me. And I certainly don't know you. Karen Onions. Mrs. Paul Onions. Wow. So Paul Onyon's right. He gets the paper and he sees the story and he fucking freaks out. Because four years earlier, he had a very interesting experience very near the Belangelo National Forest. Belangelo? It's really scary in this podcast saying whenever you say a place, you get this, like, scared feeling. because you just are waiting for a scream at you. Yeah. Imagine that. That's why we have started our new program, Spell It Like You Say It. Yep. Fuck yeah. We just, it would help us so much if people would just fucking start spelling things phonetically. Yep. And stop being assholes. Okay. So here's the thing. There's a hotline number in the article that he's reading. So he calls up and he's like, hey, I'd like to give an official statement because here's what's happened to me four years ago. He's hitchhiking. He was hitchhiking. He was in Liverpool, but in Australia. He was and he's trying to hitchhike a thousand kilometers back to Melbourne. And he meets he's like trying all day. He finally meets a guy named Bill who's super nice and cool. And Bill's like, oh, hey, are you trying to hitchhike? Where are you going? And Paul Onions is like, I'm trying to get to Melbourne. and he's like, so am I. Jump in my big old truck. Listen, onions. Do you think I call them onions? He's like, hey, moving onions. Get in my fucking car. And that's how the Outback Steakhouse was born. Sorry about that, by the way. I'm so sorry. We don't go there. No. Okay. So they're in this truck. This story is so fucked up. Do you know that I don't know it at all? I'm so excited right now. You don't know this at all? No. They're in Bill's truck. Okay. And they're driving for a while. And then Bill's like, oh, hey, I can't do it. I want to do it so bad, and I can't do it. By tomorrow night, we'll have learned. Yeah. I have to watch more TV. Yeah. I tried to make a joke about how people here say the word snicks instead of snacks. And I tweeted it, and then all these people are like, oh, that's a Kiwi accent. And I was like, well, here's an American accent. Go fuck yourself. Seriously. I can't take this. It sounds like snicks to me. Also, it's just fun. Someone goes, would you like any snicks? Yes, I would like 1,000 snicks. I mean, I'd want them even if they were snacks. Yeah. But now I want them for sure. I want them more because they're snicks. Yeah. Okay. Snick snack. Let's focus. Yeah. Guys. There's so many pages left. Okay. Here's the thing. They're sitting in the truck. He's like, we're about to, there's going to be no more radio signal. So I'm going to pull over here and I'm going to go in the back and get some tapes. Because it's the late 80s, early 90s. And Paul Onions is like, that's cool, man. Because he's so chill and awesome. Yeah. And so he goes to open his door to stretch his legs. And Bill suddenly gets real rude and is like, stay where you are. Put your seatbelt on. And Paul Onions is like, hey, man, I just wanted to stretch my legs. He's like, stay there. Uh-oh. So then he shuts the door and he's sitting there and he looks down. There's a whole bunch of tapes right there in the console in between. And he's like, uh-oh, this isn't good. Maybe he just wanted a thousand maniacs in the back or whatever. Ten thousand? Thank you. Well, back then they were only a thousand. That's when you liked them. They were only a thousand. Oh, no, that's scary. Okay. Yes. So he's like, just when I was watching whatever one of those backwards fucked up shows were, I was watching that idea that you'd be sitting there and I'd be like, okay. Like that thing where the first thing a person does that's weird, but you're like, oh, okay. I guess I'm still going to sit here because I don't want to be rude to the super weirdo who's yelling at me out of the blue. Or doing a super normal thing like opening a car door. Opening a car door is a bad sign. And then it's like, all right, well, Bill's pretty cool. I said, uh-oh. And just like the stomach drop. Yeah. Right as all that's happening, the driver's side door flies open. Bill comes in and goes, you know what this is? And he's holding a gun. Just to your two fingers? No, it's a gun. Yeah, it's a pretend gun. No, it was a real gun. He's holding a real gun on my blessed and beloved Paul Onion. What a stupid thing to say, too. do you know what this is? Yeah. Like, just say, I have a gut. Yes, I know. What if he was just like, no. Yeah. I don't recognize that. I have a strange brain disease. Right. I don't recognize things. I'm a pacifist. I don't recognize your weapons. Those don't exist to me. Yeah. I don't see weapons. Yeah, and then he fixes his beautiful hair. He has really long hair. He's gorgeous. He's gorgeous. He's just kind of blonde hair. Onion hair. Yeah. What a dick. He's turning into an asshole. Okay. But the ironic part is Paul Onions does not have body odor. And that's why I love him the most. God, he got teased so much for that. You know it. No, he smells like delicious flowers. Do we have a picture of Onions? Of Paul Onions? No. I only had a picture of the reenactor. Oh. And that's not the man I love. He's too beautiful for eyes. He's too beautiful to have his picture taken. And so, right, Bill's like, do you know what this is? Paul's like, I sure fucking do know what that is, and jumps out of the truck. Bill starts shooting at him as he runs up the highway away from the truck, and luckily a driver pulls over and lets beautiful Paul Onions into his car and drives away. Thank God. Thank God. so this all was a phone call on the hotline it took him two hours to tell that story i forgot that part so that statement is taken he hangs up and doesn't hear back because when they set this hotline up what they didn't realize is that in the first 24 hours of this hotline they got 1 000 pieces of evidence people were calling in all over the place with all kinds of stories and the the police were completely inundated and were not prepared to process that much information. So meanwhile, while they're trying to set up hotlines and, you know, get the word out and do all of that, they're still searching the Belangelo National Forest. You're mad at them for that name now. We're in a fight. It'll be fine by the time this is over, but this is the drama of the story. Okay, so as they are searching, they find the remains of German students, Anja Hopfschneid and Gaboya Nogbauer. They had left for a winter holiday. They'd gone to Bali in 1991, and they had decided, like around December, she had finished up her school. She was on winter break. They decided to go to Bali, and then when they were done with their time in Bali, they were like, let's hop on over to Australia and go to Bondi Beach. So they spent Christmas on Bondi. It's Bondi now. Okay. What is it? Bandy? Bondi. Bondi. It's Snicks. Can we Snicks Beach? Okay. Snicks Beach. Got it. The world's famous Snicks Snacks Beach. they're they're due home in january of 1992 they never make it home so when uh when they process the bodies they find that gaboya had been shot in the head six times anya had been decapitated and her head uh was not found um but the police did find 47 cartridge cases at the scene and they were able to match those cartridge cases to the ones found near carolyn clark's body uh so up now seven bodies have been found in the belangolo national forest so they the police get a forensic psychiatrist to make a profile of this killer love this shit right and based on the location based on the violence based on the weapons based on everything he basically says this killer would have grown up or worked in the area of this forest. He would have had past criminal behavior. He would have shot guns with his family. He would have a big family that would have insulated him and separated him from the rest of society. And he would have had major control issues and been a real macho type. And as they're talking about all of that, the police are like we know a guy like that and we know family like that oh fuck it's Ivan Malat whoa they like are they were just like oh we know this dude yeah so they had been a kind of a kind of a family that was well known in the area maybe we say it like that they were they had made a name for themselves um where they lived so Ivan Malat was a road worker uh he spent most of the 60s in jail He loved guns. He had a four-wheel drive truck. He had 13 brothers and sisters. Holy shit. Uh-huh. When they interviewed his neighbors, they said that he was friendly, outgoing. He was always washing his truck or tending to his garden. Hey. And, like, I was just, like, some guy in the audience or some chick's like, I do the same thing, but I'm not a murderer. I heard somebody just go, murderer immediately there you know fucking murderer loves to garden we know your type so all of his neighbors are like we really like him he's friendly but that they go to interview his ex-wife and she's like uh yeah yeah you want to talk about ivan lat well uh it was he was married to a woman named karen duck who he married when she was a teenager karen duck she described Ivan Milat as a brutal controlling husband who was gun crazy aren't you bummed that you laughed at her now yeah she says that he often took her to a pine plantation to the Belangelo National Forest and to the Janolan Caves which are I guess a tourist attraction um thank you so much mom my mom is here everybody what that sounded like an american accent typical so they start then uh with all of these things kind of lining up they start looking into ivan's early police record and they find that he was convicted of an eerily similar case in 1971. In April, Good Friday, 1971, he picked up two hitchhikers near Liverpool train station. He pulled a knife on them, bound them, gagged them, told them if they screamed he would kill them. He took them into the forest and raped them both and put them back into the car. And one of them convinces him to pull over so they can get a drink at a gas station and he lets them and she gets out of the car they both get out of the car and go into the gas station and get in there like you fucking guys help us and everybody gets them and then they go after they go after him he got away but eventually he was arrested um he was facing don't clap yet he was facing two counts of rape and robbery and what he does was he faked his own death by yes he left his shoes at a renowned sydney suicide spot called the gap which i used to work at the gap you worked at a suicide spot it's not that bad oh sorry i stepped on your no no it's okay i think it worked i think you built it okay So anyway, he escapes to the place we all hate so much, New Zealand. But he returns in 1974 because his mother had a heart attack and she was hospitalized. And so they re-arrest him then. They had arrested him the first time, but then he, of course, faked his own death at the Gap. He bought a sweater. Faked his death. Yeah. Left him. Left his shoes in the changing room. Yeah. Like, oh, shit. They were just like, oh, no, I guess he's gone forever. Go back to folding these sweaters. Have I ever told you my sweater folding story? I don't think so. This one is a little bit classic, and it's worth me stopping this horrible tale. I used to work at The Gap for real in San Francisco. It was my first real job, and it was also when I was really also working very hard at being just a dedicated alcoholic. And so the day after Halloween, where my friend and I went dressed up as two people who worked at the Lancome counter. What? Is that what we're dressed as right now? Yes, exactly. We just went out in our black clothes, and my friend got two Lancome name tags for us. That's cool. It was pretty rad. And then we just got beyond shit-faced. The next day was a fold-down day. If you've ever worked retail or worked at the Gap, you know the fold downs. You have to go into work like four hours early and literally refold the entire store. Every single item in the store is refolded with a board so it all looks perfect. Just to break your soul a little bit? Just because they're like, hey, we're paying you $6 an hour. Why don't you earn it? Yeah. Oh, God. Yeah. So we went in. We woke up. We were supposed to be there at 7 in the morning. we woke up at 8 15 to the call of our manager being like you fucking assholes get down here but luckily we lived one block away and so we like in our land comb outfit we go in we start folding i have the back wall and it's i'll never forget because every time i see these sweaters like at a thrift store i'm like here it is it's one of these sweaters It's a Gap sweater from 1991. Oh, my God. I'm folding down this wall of sweaters and so hungover, like, just still a little drunk. It's funny because she doesn't drink anymore. That's right. She can laugh about it. So you can just, I've never killed anyone with a car or gone to jail. So let's celebrate my alcoholism. I fold down a line of this whole wall of sweaters. I get to the bottom of the first row, and then I just lay down and fall asleep on the ground. That is amazing. And my manager, Colleen, came up and she's like, go home. Oh, my. Colleen. Colleen, she aided and abetted my alcoholism. All right. Where are we He never he rearrested but he he is acquitted of both the rape and robbery charges because there was not enough evidence I sorry So I know Chooks are like. How about this evidence? Hi, my name is evidence one and evidence two. So the police go to speak to the rest of the Malat family, and they interview his brother Alex and his brother Alex's wife, and they talk to them for over an hour. It's just they're not getting much. The police get up to leave, and Alice's wife goes, oh, hold on. And she goes and gets a backpack and hands it to them and goes, he gave us this as a gift. Could you have lead with that, honey? I guess there were some issues. She was having some problems. The police take it and find out that the backpack that she gave them, that Ivan gave to them, belonged to Simone Schmidl, the German backpacker. so then simultaneously or at least that's how it seemed on these shows that i was watching they go through they're going through all the statements that they had gotten in the first you know month of the hotline and they find beautiful paul onion statement oh my god uh from all the way up in birmingham and so they call him back and they finally find out that his story is real they they actually have the birmingham police interview him to make sure that he's not some nutcase, they end up flying him down to Australia, and Paul Onions identifies Ivan Malat in a lineup, and so the police can now arrest Ivan Malat for the attack of Paul Onions. Yay. So on May 22nd, 1994, at 6 a.m., the police surrounded Malat's home. It's really funny in the reenactment. They called him on the phone and were like, hey, can you come outside for a second? and then he did and then he was down on the on his perfectly manicured lawn wow all right face first because he likes gardening that's right he likes things just so uh when the police enter his home they immediately start finding trophies from all of these murders there's there's all this camping equipment there are um there are all kinds of personal belongings just everywhere. The police are identifying them as they look around the house. And they also find rifles, ammunition, hunting knives, and a sword. And then hidden inside a wall in a plastic bag, they find pieces of a Ruger 22 rifle. And when the ballistics expert reassembles those pieces, test fires it, it matches the bullets used to kill Carolyn Clark. So Ivan Molat is charged with the murders of all seven victims. And on July 27, 1996, following a 15-week trial, the jury returned after three days and found him guilty on all charges. He was sentenced to six years imprisonment for the attack on the most beautiful man in the world, Paul Onions. And seven consecutive life sentences for each of the murders of the backpackers. Yay. when asked if he had any comment he protested his innocence he said he didn't do anything for sure um but his younger brother richard uh told the police that there were quote heaps more bodies out there to be found and there are there are 11 other unsolved missing persons cases that They're extremely similar to the backpacker murders going all the way back to February of 1971. Holy shit. So I'm just going to go through these real quick. Karen Rowland was driving behind her sister. They were driving up to a hotel in Canberra when... Shut up. No, I'm kidding. What is it? He's asking her friend. Canberra. Canberra. Canberra? Okay, really quick, just a suggestion. How about you spell it C-A-N-B-R-A? Oh! Okay, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you at all. Okay. This is so creepy. The two sisters take two separate cars. Why? It's not as fun. They must have had work or something. It makes me so mad when I read that. I was like, what? They're driving. Her sister loses sight of Karen in the rearview mirror. Her car just isn't there anymore. She continues on to the hotel and then when she gets there, Karen isn't there and she thinks maybe she went back home. She doesn't understand what happened. So they search. They find the car with an empty gas tank on the side of the road. She ran out of gas. She ran out of gas and then 15 meters off of the trail in the Fairburn Pine Plantation, they find her body. She was lying on her back, legs straight out, her arms encircling her head, clothing pulled down, indicating sexual assault. A beer bottle was found nearby. So in June of 1972, Robin Hoyneville Bartram and Anita Cunningham, 19 and 20 respectively, they were student nurses, they were roommates, and they were going to spend the summer hitchhiking around northern Queensland. They set off from Melbourne on their way to Bowen. It really is scary. They were never seen again. In November, Robin's body is found under a bridge in Sensible Creek. She was shot in the head with a .22. Anita's body was never found. A woman told police that she and her mother had chatted with those girls at a hotel that July, and the girls told her they had gotten a ride with a man named Cowboy. Stephen, do you have that one picture of Ivan Milat? Oh, no. Oh, no. It's actually very in fashion now, what do you swear? Okay. Friday, October 5th, 1972, Gabrielle Janke and Michelle Riley decide to hitchhike from Brisbane to check out a party on the Gold Coast. A week later, Gabrielle's body is found at the bottom of a steep embankment on the side of Pacific Highway at Ormeu. 10 days later at 6 p.m. on October 23rd, Michelle's body is found 12 meters from the road in the bushland off of the Mount Tambourine Highway. They both had massive head injuries from fractured skulls, and both of their clothes were pulled up and branches had been covering their bodies. On October 30th, 1978, 20-year-old Leanne Goodall was dropped off by her brother Warren at the Musclewell Brook train station. uh warren thought she was taking the train back to sydney but in fact she decided to go to swansea swansea near newcastle to see her parents she got off the train in broadmeadow in central newcastle uh someone spotted her at 3 30 that afternoon at the star hotel she was never seen alive again her remains were never found robin hickey four months after leanne goodall's disappearance um 18-year-old Robin Hickey leaves her family home in Swansea to meet friends at the Belmont Hotel south of Newcastle. She's never seen again. Amanda Robinson is a 14-year-old girl who vanishes on her way home to Swansea from a school dance. Ivan Milat was named as a person of interest in all three of those disappearance cases because he was working a road crew at the time. But there was not enough evidence to arrest him. And then there's, I mean, look at this. There's three more pages of people who had the exact, it's the exact same MO. It's always 15 meters off of the trail, back in the bush. In the same area generally? The same age. It's girls that he meets at hotels. There's always a witness. But in the same general area kind of too. Yeah. It's along the Gold Coast, right? they're not sure either i mean you guys fucking flunked that i mean but it's it's basically the the eastern this eastern coastal side and all up because basically this this i did look up on google maps it it takes like seven hours and 37 minutes or something to drive from melbourne to the belangolo national forest and so that thanks and so that's like the that's basically the area that he was working in and he was a road worker he also delivered tires truck tires so he was always he was always on the road and he was always leaving work and coming back um where and like having people cover for him and stuff jesus now really quick sorry i mean those are just like there's there's six more people who have the exact same mo in their death. There's 58 total of missing people who there's pieces of their murder details or their murder that can be related to Ivan Lapp, but because he will not admit to anything and never has, they can't get him on anything or prove anything. And their families, you know, have no, have no satisfaction. They just don't get to know. So he's in jail, right? And he decides to cut off, he's 73 now, he's still in jail, he's in the Supermax, he's going to be there for the rest of his life. In 2009, he cuts off his little finger with a plastic knife. Ow! And the people in the jail decide they're not going to reattach it. I mean, he doesn't fucking mean it. I'm sure there was like a medical reason and a whole decision, but in my mind, I was just like, they're like, no, you did that to yourself. He had previously injured himself by swallowing razor blades, staples, and other metal objects. He went on a hunger strike because he wanted a PlayStation. Oh, no. That was in 2011. And now, in 2012, his great nephew, Matthew Mallott, and his friend, Cohen Klein, who were 19 when they were sentenced, they were arrested for murdering David Occioloni on his 17th birthday with an axe in the Belangelo State National Forest. And he, Matthew killed him, and his friend taped it on the phone, recorded it on the phone. That's how they got caught. Oh, my God. They were sentenced. Matthew was sentenced to 43 years in prison, and Cohn was sentenced to 32 years in prison. And now I'm seeing this thing, too. On May 15th, his older brother, Boris, told Dr. Steve Apern that Millat was responsible for another shooting. In 1962, he shot a cab driver in the back because he wanted to rob him, and he ended up paralyzing him. And that's a, they were just doing a special about that on TV recently. And now, my friends, is the story of Ivan Milat, the backpacker martyr. That, sorry, that's so long. Crazy. Ah! Ah! That's what he looked like while he was cutting his pinky off. He's like, come on, I want a PlayStation. I'm only the worst fucking person in the world. Oh, my God, how did I not know that one? Yeah, it's so nuts. I mean, you just can't help it. I don't want to police shame, but they're like, why didn't this? Bye. Bye. Oh. I didn't know they fell. I'm not sure why. I didn't even give you a look. I didn't even give you an old, I'm going to pick up my glasses look. She was like, she's police shaving again. I'm getting off. I'm sick of it. This is a walkout. It's just the thing of like, why didn't they figure, oh, put it together. But the bodies weren't even found. I know. Nobody knew. It was just missing and no details whatsoever. Plus there's the whole thing of, you know, the old school, like, mindset of, like, well, if we start saying all these backpackers are missing, the tourist trade's going to fucking die. That's exactly right. So maybe it's that these new cops came in and were like, yeah, but we can't let people disappear. Well, I think the second they started finding bodies, that was all over. Yeah. They shut it down. Yeah. Hopefully. Yeah. Well, no, that's what happened. yeah but yeah hopefully yeah it's literally what happened i just fucking told you i watched three specials about it i'm an expert that was such a in your face mint put in your mouth i've never seen anyone the final word mint oh no she put the mint in her mouth i can't tell you the mints in Okay, we are back from a very heavy story. Do you have updates? I do, actually. In 2019, Ivan Malott died in prison. He was 74, and it was five months after he was diagnosed with terminal esophageal and stomach cancer. Yeah. His nephew, Alistair Shipsey, maintains that Ivan Malott was framed for these murders and that his uncle's arrest happened so Sidney would have a clear run to securing the 2000 Olympics. Can you describe my face right now? You're pensive, a lot of doubt. A lot of skepticism, some Botox, so you can't see it. So not the full expression. But what an amazing forehead you have. Thank you. Yeah, well, we will say this. He spent 10 years, this nephew, researching the murders, and he published a book, Secrets of Belanglo, claiming this is the only true story of Ivan Milot. But also, as we started this episode and we were talking about it, it's like, this is one of those true crime stories that's so awful. Like, I remember so many details from telling this story. Yeah. Like, to get past those details and think that, yeah, it was a setup doesn't seem... Not super likely. At the same time, in 2021, a four-part docuseries called Ivan Malott Backpacker Murderer was released. And that explored the idea that Malott could have had 20 additional victims. Wow. Wow. Oh, I want to watch that. Yeah. So let's get into your story now about the brownout strangler, Edward Joseph Lonsky. Ever feel like you're being chased by the marriage police? 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No. Not the case whatsoever. You guys, there's a reason we're going to be here for three nights in a row. Not because people want to see us. But because we just couldn't pick one. The government's making us kill all the murders. Yeah, we're doing it. It's a social service. You're welcome. Yep. All right. Well, this one, this is the story of the only American man ever executed on Australian soil. It's the blackout strangler. Oh. Right, right, right. Right. Right, right, right. That's the correct. All right. Height of World War II. While Melbourne was sending soldiers overseas to fight, they're like heroes and shit, and there's a brownout in order. So a brown net just means that, like, there's a reduced availability of electrical power. So, like, at night, street lamps and car lights, they're all, like, lowered. So the Japanese fighters can't bomb the shit out of you guys. They're like, I don't see anything. Let's get out of here. Instead of being like, look at all those beautiful lights of Melbourne, which is like a thing, you know? Yeah, they're known for their lights. They're known for their lights. Like, I think they call you guys the city of lights. Oh, I've heard of that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So also a lot of employees, employers were letting young women leave in daylight so they could get home safely before dark because, you know, dark. But so a lot of U.S. soldiers were stationed in Melbourne after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. So all these makeshift camps for American soldiers were popping up. And excuse me, I forgot my tissue. I shouldn't have told you guys that. I realize that now. Thank you. I don't have to do with that. Wipe your nose with that bottle cap. Scrape my nose across it. Just dip it in and release. Okay. They're housed in military establishments called Camp Pell. Today it's known as Royal Park. May 3rd, 1942. You get ones like Rail Park? Royal Park. Oh. Sorry. I just audienced you, essentially. Royal! Royal! May 3, 1942, 40-year-old Ivy Violet McLeod was waiting for her tram. Can you see I copied and pasted this from Australian articles? Waiting for her tram on Victoria Avenue in Albert Park around 2 a.m. when she's attacked. You wooed it, and she's attacked. You've got to do it right away if you're going to do it. Okay, her body was found by a hotel cleaner who was hosing down the footpath outside a hotel. He saw an American soldier get up from a stooping position in a nearby shop doorway. He was going to run after him but decided to try to help the woman, but it was too late. Ivy was dead. She was partially naked, badly beaten, and strangled. Her purse was still in the area, so it was obvious that robbery wasn't the motive. And witnesses said that they had seen her in the company of a U.S. soldier late the previous night. We have a photo of her, and while that's up, I'm going to subtly wipe my nose on my dress. Oh, how nice. Oh, my God. You're an angel. There's tissues happening at me. Oh, no, she has a knife. What if she didn't give these to me? What if she just took the tissues and... She was just like, you should buy some of these. Thank you so much. This has happened before. Security. That's every shirt that was at Dangerfield today. It's so true. It's the first thing I think of, and I'm just like. Karen. For real. So that's Ivy McLeod. So she is killed. Sorry. Sorry, honey. She looks like my grandma. A week later. Let me bum you guys out more. A week later, 31-year-old Pauline Thompson, she's a stenographer. She's married to a policeman. She's a mother of two. She strikes up a conversation with an American soldier at a restaurant. They go to a bar after dinner to talk, and they spend several hours talking and drinking. The next morning, she's found lying on the steps of her Spring Street home. Her clothes are in tatters. Okay, so there's a photo of her. This is Pauline Thompson. Okay, ready for this creepy thing? In a Victorian first, police created a photograph. Police created a mannequin dressed in her clothes and put a photograph over her face, hoping that a witness would come forward. Steven, put that nightmare up. What? That's what that is? Yep. Look at her hands. It's mannequin hands. Holy fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what we're in it for, right? That's like crazy, awful, creepy. Creepy. Hands. Look at the hands. Did I ever tell you the story about when I was little and I was at the store with my dad, and he's like, just don't touch anything. Yeah, right. Which I could never do. I was like five. No, you're a child. A child, and he would always take me to hardware stores and stuff that didn't have candy or toys or anything good. Yeah. And I remember he went to get something, and I just walked up. There was a mannequin wearing like a mechanics jumpsuit. And I was just, I just went like, my finger E.T. style touched the mannequin's hand. And the whole arm came off of my hand. And then I was just alone holding a mannequin arm like, shit, do I shove it back up? And my dad came around the corner. He's like, Jesus Christ. Karen you shouldn't be allowed in retail shops anymore you're real proud of yourself and then you then you laid on the floor and fell asleep that's right I was so drunk the drunkest five-year-old ever um okay so they did that horribleness yes I don't want to turn back around Poor mannequin. Good night, everyone. Have sweet dreams tonight. Wait, did it work, though? No. Oh. But, you know, people were like, well, we saw her with an American soldier the night before. So, but I don't know if any of it came directly from that. It just gave a lot of people nightmares. So, shortly after this, an American soldier admits to another soldier that he had killed two women. This dude's name is Edward Joseph Lenowski. and he's 24 years old he's a former New York grocery store clerk he had broad shoulders and strong hands and they had said by the looks of the way the guy had strangled women that he had large hands that was one of the things they said about him he was well liked by most who knew him although other American soldiers reported that he liked to drink heavily and that when he did he became particularly aggressive especially towards women a file described him as the soldier from hell and he earned that notation after he attempted to strangle a young woman in San Antonio, Texas he was caught, charged with assault, but never prosecuted instead the U.S. Army was like, send him to Melbourne, sorry guys sorry about that so he arrived on February 2nd, 1942 and that first murder happened on May 3rd of that year Wow. Yeah. So, okay, so he told his bro that I killed two women. His bro was like, turn yourself in, claim insanity. Edward's like, nope. And the soldier's like, okay. And, like, didn't turn him in. So, again, apologies, Melvin. He's like, well, I gave you the one suggestion I have. Yeah. That's all I got for you. I don't know what else could be done. I guess I'll see you in the mess tent. Yeah. All right. So the final victim. Oh, let me show you a photo of this dude, Edward. Hey, I'm going to murder you. That's him? Yeah. They said that, so he's a total alcoholic, and a lot of people are like, he was super fun. And a lot of people are like, he attacked women. But the ones who said he was super fun, one of the things they said he would do is like, get super drunk and then get up on the bar and walk across the bar in his hands. Like Pee Wee Herman style, but on your hands. Look at that crazy son of a bitch. Yeah. His forehead is so low. It's tiny. It's too small. It's a small forehead. I mean, as someone with a three head, I would like to say his is a one and a half head. That's true. It barely is there. Yeah. Or is it just that dumb hair? It looks like both. Okay. I'm going to go both. My mom His final victim 40 Gladys Hosking on May 18th while walking home from work in the chemistry lab at the University of Melbourne which is like what a badass She is caught in the rain. An American soldier offered to shelter her under an umbrella he was carrying. It's our old friend Edward. Yeah. Yeah. He attacks her, he strangles her, and she's found inside the Royal Park boundary, not far from Camp Pell, just 350 meters from her boarding house. In just over two weeks, from May 3rd to May 18th, 1942, three women had been killed by him. So the murderer becomes known as the Brownout Strangler, because it's during a brownout and he strangles people. I didn't need to explain that part. Steven, cut that out. It was actually symbolic of something else, but you wouldn't understand. They called U.S. soldiers brownouts. That's what they called them. Because they were total bummers. What a fucking brownout that guy was. Ew, I just licked the microphone on accident. Does anyone have any hydrochloric acid? I'm just going to drink it. An Australian soldier, oh, God, that was disgusting. An Australian soldier told police. Okay, so Gladys gets killed. Australian soldier tells police he saw a U.S. officer slipping under the Royal Park fence on the night of the murder. He shines a torch. That's not what we call flashlights. So clearly I copied and pasted that. In the guy's face, it was all muddied. He asked him why he's covered head to foot in yellow mud. He's covered head to foot in yellow mud, which is like, what's that? No. Diarrhea? No. It's mud, and it's just yellow. What? Because it's wartime. I don't know. Because there's a brown out, so there's not enough brown to go into the mud? What the hell? That's got to be it. Yellow mud? I don't know. I didn't look that part up. Okay. I didn't even look out what meters means. So, clearly I was shopping all day. Okay, so the dude says to him, I fell over in a pool of mud going across the park. That's like his excuse, and it's like, okay, go ahead. They were good with it. Right. The description of this soldier, though, matches the individual. Pauline Thompson was seen with the night of her murder, as well as a description given by several women who had also survived recent attacks. So I guess he'd been fucking attacking women all over town. People had been surviving. Yeah. So after days at Camp Hell, they're going from fucking soldier to soldier being like, are you a murderer? Are you a murderer? Like interviewing people? I guess. I don't know. I don't know. I made that up. I bet that's how they did it. No, I bet that's how they did it. Could have been. Police investigate. I think they have a photo of Gladys, actually. Did I already? Yeah, there she is. aww right look at that outfit that's not why aww but okay okay so they're back in soldier to soldier you you you you police investors get to Edward Lonofsky's tent and the yellow clay matching the crime scene is found on his tent his shoes and his bed so he's just flailing and jump all over the fucking place apparently it's so yellow I hate yellow So this, okay. Then, okay. So he's arrested, charged with the murders. Behind bars, he confesses to fucking everything. He tells investigators that he is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And his motives for the killings was a fascination with female voices, especially when they were singing. What? Yeah. Creepy. So all those women had been singing? Well, he says he claims that he killed women to get at their voices, quote. Oh, no. I know. Kind of like a Little Mermaid thing? Yeah. He was a fucking original sea witch. He just... Sea witch. Yeah. He wanted to... God, that guy's fucking stupid. Yeah. Crazy, too. Yeah. Yeah. So he said about his second victim, Pauline Thompson, he said, she was singing in my ear. It sounded as if she was singing for me. She had a nice voice. I grabbed her. I don't know why. She stopped singing. Well, because you grabbed her. Fucking idiot. Then the investigator was like, goodbye, I'm going to go to the Gap. See you guys later. Can you imagine hearing that? Someone saying that to you? Okay. According to a psychologist who interviewed Edward during his trial, he grew up in an abusive alcoholic family and one of his brothers had been committed to a mental institution for life. His mother had been overprotective and controlling, and I bet she fucking sang a lot. I bet. You know what I mean? Yeah. I didn't say that, but it's like, well, clearly. Yeah. That's my, what's this, profile of this murderer. You've profiled it. His mom sang a lot. Yeah. But she was like. the most horrible sound of all time so essentially i could show you right now what that sounded like by just singing she put him into bed and she'd be like all right sweet dreams i love you and here in the corner is a mannequin with my face taped on it night Night, Edward. Night, night, Edward. I'm going to go be an alcoholic, which is also what she was. And she was overprotective and controlling. I like the idealist future as you're shutting your child's bedroom door. Good night. I'm going to go be an alcoholic. You stay in here, okay? And stare at my mannequin face. That's a hard childhood right there. She had also been in a mental institution, but she also favored Edward more than his other fucking crazy brothers. So he got bullied by neighborhood kids and called a mama's boy. According to the psychologist, he said, and you know, 40s and 50s psychologists were like, well, and they were like, what? That doesn't make sense. Oedipus complex? No. Symbolic matricide. And I was like, that sounds familiar. Our friend Ed Gein. Oh, yeah. Like kill people because they're like, it's my mom. And it's like, it's actually a woman you don't fucking know. They just want to kill their mom over and over again. Exactly. Exactly. So because of the resentment and hatred of his mother. Bad singing is really irritating. This is why I don't, well, I do sing sometimes and it's, yeah. Okay. During the trial, evidence was presented that indicated that Edward had possible dual personalities. I just love the word dual. dual personalities. The court heard that. So, when the Noski got drunk, his voice changes. He talks more like a girl. Uh-oh. Says stuff about, this is a quote, I wouldn't, he talks stuff about poltergeists, werewolves, demons, creepy stuff. Talks to himself a lot. Cool stuff. Yeah. He talks about the kind of stuff they have on the clothes at the, what's the story? Dangerfield. At Dangerfield. God, that would have been good if I could have remembered that. Talks to himself a lot. other times it was like he was talking to someone else. Maybe he was talking to someone else. Yeah, he could have been talking to someone else. Although Edward Lamasky's crimes were committed on Australian soil, the trial was conducted under American military law. Yeah, that's Mark Harmon style. Yeah. NCIS, baby. Yeah. I said, yeah, I don't know who that was. I've never watched that show by the way. They have. I want true crime. He confesses to the crimes, convicted and sentenced to death at a United States Army general court marshal in July of 1942, but it's here in Australia. He's executed at Pentridge Prison. Wow. You guys stay there sometimes? You love it? Is it the best prison? Yeah. Oh, really? You live in a prison? You can get breakfast there tomorrow. You know, normally heckling makes me really mad. Yeah, me too. But that's my favorite thing anyone's ever yelled at me. You can live there and you can get breakfast there. You can get breakfast at a marriage. She'll have the muesli. I'll have the beans on toast with a fried egg. Georgia loves a nice breakfast bean. Oh, my God. You guys have really brought her over to the baked bean breakfast. Thank you. So much for that. What's congee? Don't answer now. It's on every menu for breakfast, but it's like congee. And I'm like, what could this be? and then it's like with shrimp or grass. Country's like a soup. Oh, isn't it? Or grass. I don't know. Just random stuff where I'm like, I can't put together what this breakfast item might be. There's a lot. It's not French toast. I know that. If it ain't muesli, if you don't want to eat something. Bucket. Bucket. Okay. The precise details of his execution were... Wait, sorry. We had to eat breakfast at that prison now. Obviously. Will you guys meet us there tomorrow? Yeah, we'll be there. they say share time is over um that poor girl is she crying the one i just yelled at i'm sorry uh i can't do it i can't do it that's a real mindfuck because we supported yours and we attacked you for yours i'm sorry now i feel so bad no never look back he so for some reason the details are a secret of how he got killed but the hangman had a fucking journal which is like give me that to read tonight please yes immediately yes um and it says that he was hanged right sorry why in the hangman's journal if they publish it like a book do you think the inside flap of the picture of the author you'd have is you know what i mean what you know the hangman has to wear that thing on his face that We just don't know who he is. Guess what? What? What's this? It's the Hangman's Journal. Are you kidding? No, put your glasses on. Hold on, everybody. I wasn't being an asshole. I'm serious. I didn't mean it like that. No, no. She can't see anything. I can't see shit. When I was at the airport and you came and I was like, hey, and I was like, oh, wait, she can't see anything. I knew that you had to wait to get here before you could see me. It's really funny because oftentimes I'll be walking toward people and I'll watch. I know that thing is like a big wave. I'll see a movement like this. And then I'll see the mouth get smaller and smaller. It looks like I'm just icing someone as I'm walking. They're like, hey, Karen. I'm just like walking. And then she goes, oh. And I miss this. I'm like, oh, my God, hi, how are you? And they're already sad. Sorry, this is like the Hangman's Journal is like a fucking scrapbook. That looks like a picture of a pelvis. It does. You can go read that somewhere around this town. Okay. Yeah. Probably at this prison we're having brunch at tomorrow. Let's turn into brunch and I'll have a moment. So, but he gave all the details of all the hangings? I think it was like a diary. So, okay, so they think that he was hanged, but legend, I just burped, sorry. Legend also has it that the locals were permitted to provide the rope and gallows. Isn't that cool? What? Like, the people were so fucking pissed off about this guy murdering their people that they were like, here's the rope and here's the gallows. Hang that motherfucker. Oh, they, like, built the gallows and were just like, they're basically like, look, we'll take care of everything. You just get your hangman up here. Yeah, tell him to bring his diary because this one's going to be good. Write this down. Yeah. We built the gallows. So that's the story of Edward Monosky, the brownout strangler. strangler wow thanks thank you it's all you it was good you did it well we did it we did it that was that was that was an american special that we brought over to you you kill him we'll grill him okay we're back are there updates for this case there are no case updates unfortunately But every once in a while, we call up a person from the audience and get a really great hometown. And this is a good example of that. Yeah. So if you're thinking of coming up to do a hometown in the future, if we ever do live shows again. Please compare yourself to the hometown greats that we've experienced in the past. This one is, this is Rebecca. Let's hear her hometown. Is it time for a hometown murder? It's time for a town home now. Let's see. Is there a way we could get a little bit of light? Yeah, yeah. We could see if there's anyone that has a story they'd like to... Do you want to do it? Do you want to do it? Come on. Yeah. Karen picks. All right. Come over where Steven is. I think that way, probably. Oh. He's right there. Hi, hi, hi. Don't trip. Joe, fall down. Hello. Hello. Oh, look. Look at her skirt. Hi, it's a dress. Are they falling all the way down? Careful. You don't even want to stay up stockings. It's okay, guys. Wait. Look at it. This is... No, you guys have the cutest... What are you doing? Stay in the forest. Don't get hurt. Stay out of the forest. This is so awesome. Is this from Dangerfield? I know. This is so cute. We're acting like the one store we've been to is the only store in Melbourne. Is this from the one place we've been to? Yeah. I heard you guys don't have any others. Hi, what's your name? I'm Rebecca. Hi, Rebecca. Where are you from? Everyone will cheer for you. Thank you. The Yarra Valley. All right. I knew it. Yeah. I knew it. Fuck yeah. What's your hometown? Okay. So I have a few, but I'll just do one. If it's really good, you can do more. Yeah. Or if it's really bad. Okay, go ahead. I won't use exact names because I still live next door to my mom. so weird how you can't see anyone out there that's so creepy i know right now i know it's better it's better yeah just look up into the light days off um so basically my mom and dad moved to an to cold stream i don't know if you know cold stream of course we know cold stream they know it um along the marinda highway so basically high traffic area and they start building this house and there's an old little barn out the back, a little bit crazy. And basically where they're going to build the house, there's a big tree out the front, big cherry blossom, massive cherry blossom. My dad's like, I really think I need to cut this down. Why? Well, where the house was going to be so they could keep the old barn. Oh, right, okay. Yeah, yeah. So the neighbor comes over and he's this big, massive guy, big beard. My dad's like a skinny kind of crocodile dandy. Oh, yeah, yeah. We know him. We know him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know him. He can shut the tree down with this big knife. Yeah. So you imagine this other guy that's massive and my dad's kind of skinny. I want to get control. Problem. Anyway. This guy tells him, don't cut down the tree. No matter what you do, do not cut down the tree. Chill, dude. That's super chill. Yeah. And so dad's like, watch me. The next day comes in with a backhoe. but the tree's been cut down and there's a big hole right around the tree. Oh no. This is really sus. Dad's like, what the hell's going on? So anyway, pulls up the tree, talks to the guy next door. Doesn't know anything apparently. As you do. And then, so we build the house over the top where this tree was. Straight away, which ends up being my bedroom, don't you? No, no. There ends up being horrific hauntings. So, yes. so this is like sit down what happened everything starts off with my brother so he's first in the room so there's 10 years between my brother and i okay so my brother adam wakes up there's these horrible horrific noises in the room basically this ghost likes musical instruments don't know if you'll believe in ghosts but anyway sure it doesn't matter my brother starts to learn the guitar so you learn the recorder at primary school basically yeah then you go up to the guitar so by grade six he's like master this guitar every night family wakes up to the guitar strumming oh oh no no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so 10 years on i'm i'm just born basically and my dad liked the ukulele So he would come in. You guys just not have string instruments in your fucking house anymore. So basically what keeps happening is these horrible things keep happening in our family. Things like you'd be in the shower and shampoo bottles would come down on you. Like one after the other? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like creepy as fuck. Like petrifying shit, right? Oh my God. Anyway, so eventually these things keep happening. And I'm about four or five. and I say to my mom, I feel like there's something wrong at the neighbors. There's something really strange. That was a great. But she said it and she was in a nightgown and her hair was wet. And her eyes were white. I don't know what's wrong. Something's wrong, mommy. So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner. And I actually sent you in this email as well about it. We read it. We loved it. Yeah, totally. loved it. So basically, the next day, we're all sitting down for dinner. Police come raiding through our house. They come through our house, they're basically like, if you have somewhere safe to put the kids, put the kids. So my brothers are older, we all went in the bathroom, stayed there. What the fuck? Dad gets out his knife, literally. That's not a knife. This is a knife. Yeah, it's like, you call that a knife? Yeah. and basically the police raid goes through our house to the next door neighbours they go through the back paddocks, we call them paddocks and then through the front of the house and basically a body is found in their backyard and the big bearded guy's backyard yeah, the freaky guy and there's other bones that are found on the premises as well they believe they were buried, there was tree roots through it Oh, my God. I know, right? It's like, ooh. Then, oh, my God. Then, a couple years pass. So the father's been put away. At this point, his daughter is about 19, 20, and a body has found a Coldstream tip. She's almost decapitated. She's been injected with battery acid. Her body? Battery acid in a sleeping bag. bound up with a phone cord when we used to actually have phone cords yeah yeah horrific they can't move the body because this the daughter which they didn't know at the time her name's karen uh-oh yeah sure she has a thing where she always comes back to the body and every single time they've missed her so they've moved the body and missed that chance of her coming back and trying to bury it or get rid of evidence so they're like we've got to leave the body So they're talking to the mother and they're like, we can't move the body, I'm so sorry. So it gets quite emotional. The whole town is like, this girl, we don't know the body's being found, we don't know anything about it, it's all top secret. Haven't they heard of a mannequin with a fucking picture taped on its face? Not the same, she does. Wouldn't they know where she was? Anyway, so basically, Karen comes back with dynamite to blow up the body. Holy shit! And this is really quick. You're not a compulsive liar. I just want to check. I don't care. So she comes back. It doesn't matter. But this is like later on she does it again with dynamite. She has a thing with dynamite. What? So this girl had been, it was a drug deal gone wrong. Karen was a drug dealer and she had a house in the middle. Wait, this is the daughter. This is the daughter of a neighbor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Ian was a really bad guy that hid the body underneath where our house was and then had a body in the backyard and then Karen's the daughter who's in a almost, she's about 19, 20 right now. So basically, drug deal's gone wrong. She was living in Lillydale. She moves back in with her dad after this girl was killed. Now, she gets the dynamite, comes back to blow up this body. It's not a solution. Yeah. So when she comes back, basically the cops jump on her. So she's done for. She's arrested. Her boyfriend was waiting in the car. Now, when she does her statement, so basically she rats out her boyfriend, she got less time because she was making sandwiches in the kitchen while they were torturing this girl for 48 hours. Oh. It's repulsive. Oh, my God. Like that is just, yeah, so she got less time because of that. So disgusting. Yeah. So, yeah, I know, right? This is happening next door while you're growing up? Well, no, so this is, so the daughter, she was mostly living at Lillydale. So she's doing all these drug deals and stuff like that. Whereas Ian had moved out, so just his wife was still there. Okay, okay. Okay, so basically, Karen then gets out of jail a few years later. Her boyfriend's still in jail. She gets dynamite to blow up her boyfriend out of jail. Karen, Karen, there's other things in the world. Stop, man. Christ. Okay. Her mom's like, would you do the dishes? She's like, yeah, I've got the perfect solution. Dana makes. Just what she does. Oh, my God. So she ends up going back into jail, obviously. He does more time. Fast forward about, I think it was about three or four years ago, she ends up moving back in next door to my mom. But it's okay. She's a born-again Christian. All right, guys. Amen, amen, amen. All forgiven. So good. Yeah, Jesus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, all that shit. the decks are cleared the thing that like really fucks me Jesus does love dynamite though loves it so in the end yeah my mom still lives next to them do you guys have them over for Christmas I mean yeah like what's 4th of July like just really tense they don't have that here sorry Sorry. Yeah, that's the story of the jewels. That was my love. Wow. That was amazing. Rebecca. You guys, Rebecca. Rebecca. Good job. That was amazing. Wow. Stop that. I mean. Oh, no. Don't fall. Spot her. She's just. So are we. Okay, so this episode was originally titled Live at the Comedy Theater. I think we can do better than that. I know, sure. Okay, if we were naming it today based on the episode, maybe we would call it Marmite. We could also name it Paul Onions. Yes, we must. He really became a legend and also one of the first Nick Terry videos featured Paul Onions. He's got an onion head. Yeah, that's right. And also me screaming, leave Paul Onions alone, because I think that's when we started to realize enough people listen to us. Can you imagine if people are trying to talk to him or involve him in this podcast? So we just started screaming, leave Paul Onions alone. Paul Holes is fine. He's a public figure. He belongs to all of us. Yes. But he enjoys it. Right. Let's just take Paul Onions now. Yeah. Because he deserves it. He does. After everything he's been through, we've put him through. All right. Well, thanks, you guys, for listening to another episode of Rewind from here in the Bahamas. We're going to go back to Melbourne to say goodbye. Wow, you guys. That was very powerful. That was super. A lot. That was a real journey for all of us. I believe in ghosts now. I didn't believe in ghosts before. I don't know. Guitar playing ghosts. We're so scared. I'm so scared. We're grabbing each other. It's also freezing up here. This has been such an amazing show. Thank you. What a kickoff for this ride. Thank you so much. We're so excited to be in Australia again. You guys are so fucking nice. It's amazing. We're so happy to be here. We're so happy to be here. And, of course, we just want you to stay sexy. And don't get hurt. 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