204. Ali Siddiq: Telling His Own Story

Do you feel like you're in the mainstream or not in the mainstream? I feel like I'm not in either space, man. It's like I'm in my own lane. Well, I think so too. You know, but that's a gift and a curse. Yeah, it's a gift and a curse. And like I don't get invited to a lot of stuff. Yeah. You know, but it's one of the things when people see me, oh, I'm happy here, but you didn't invite me though. That is the voice of the great Ali Sadiq. Ali Sadiq is a comedian who I've been a fan of for a while. He is a brilliant storyteller, absolutely fascinating life story. He's extraordinarily prolific. If you search him on YouTube, you'll find days worth of comedy. Nine comedy specials. Fascinating life story. He actually went to prison for six years. Talk about it on the show today. He's from Houston. He lives in Houston still today. He produces pretty much all of his specials independently, which we talk about a lot on this podcast, and he's a really inspirational example of it. 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You text Burbiggs to 917-444-7150 And you will be the first to know about my upcoming shows I really think you're going to love this episode with Ali Sadiq today Phenomenal storyteller We talk about how to make personal stories relatable to a larger audience We talk about making your own path in comedy Working inside the system versus outside the system Very wise person, very funny person We didn't know each other before I think one of the best things about this podcast is I'm able to meet people who I've just admired from afar. So enjoy my conversation with the great Ali Sadiq. How old were you when you started? 25. Oh, 25. Is that the first mic that you went to? Yes. Just joking. Yeah, just joking. Comedy Cafe, December 4th, 1997. Wow. Yeah, so almost exact. Yeah, I think 97 was mine too. That's crazy. And it was in Houston? Yeah. And did you just have a sense from the moment you got on? You were just like, this is where I should be kind of thing? Before. Before? Yeah, before I got on. What did that feel like? What was that moment? Did people tell you? People were like, you're hilarious. You got to get on stage? No. No? Kid. Just saw watching TV. Yeah. Just felt like I wanted to do that. Yeah. Made people laugh. Yeah. Yeah, I really don't agree with that. You make somebody laugh, you're supposed to be a comedian. I think that cheapens our craft so much. It's like, it's a lot of people that made me laugh. I never told them they should be a comedian. Yeah. I know people that's good with knives. I don't ask them to be surgeons. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I don't, nah. But I think that's the sleight of hand when you're really good. Your stuff is like that. Your stuff is like, oh, he's just talking. Yeah. Yeah, my uncle be just talking, but he's the funniest person I know. I've never said, hey, you should get on stage. That's funny. Because I know he wouldn't survive it. He was like, he would freeze up. And I've seen people do it before. I used to go to open mics and somebody would ask me to come. That was in the barbershop. That was barbershop funny. And then they would get to open mic. See, this is different than everybody in the barbershop that knows you. I think that's the whole thing about stand-up. Our craft is to make people laugh or entertain people that have no idea who we are or what we're even talking about. I'm not even familiar with the story. Yes. And then I'm finding this story hilarious. I don't know this person, but when you're around people who know you, it's easy to make family laugh. Yeah, yeah. Because they know the stories. You know, I know Kim when she was little. But who is Tracy? Who the fuck is Tracy? Some random person named Tracy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then I get into it and be like, yo, Tracy's crazy. So that's, you know. Right. It's like the goal of a professional comedian is to explain who Tracy is, why she's funny. And then by the end, people are like, obviously Tracy's funny. Obviously, Tracy's funny. We know Tracy. A thousand strangers are like, yeah, I know Tracy. Yeah, I know. I have a Tracy. I have a Tracy. Yeah, that's the thing. When you identify, you say something and you describe it so well that somebody says, you know something? I know this person. Yeah. But this person's name is Larry in my life. That's right. I got one of those. His name's Larry. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's exactly right. How old are your kids? They're a big difference, right? Yeah, he was with which kids. I have different kids. How many kids do you have total? Nine. Nine kids. Yeah. Which ones? The 30, the ones that they... You have one that's 31 and your youngest is like two? 32. 32. Youngest is four? Five. Wow. Yeah. What's the difference between what you teach your kid who's five now versus when you're your first kid who was five? No, all lessons are the same. Now the problem is the leniency of the lessons. I give you more time to learn it. At first it was like, no, you got to get it today. I said it today, you get it today. now the value I was like she fine what do I think she gonna she's fine what you gonna do yeah okay you know she don't know that you're not supposed to throw stuff on the ground as you finish eating she don't know that right but she's been throwing places but today you know she forgot yeah you know I'm way more lenient yeah I'm a different you know and I see it just like I'm getting ready to shoot another special in a couple days. It was crazy. I just came up with the title for it. After all the stuff together, but My First Love. And it's a lot about my first love. And she was different when she first met me versus how she is now. She's totally different because she lives a different life. Yeah. With my parents, my mom, she kind of reared me under frustration. So frustration and fear and all of these type of things versus how she is with my son. my mom was real my son get away with murder yeah like and I was like yo you would have killed me yeah yeah over that like you wouldn't even did that like you know yeah yeah yeah yeah you wouldn't even cared about my feelings and that like right like she's totally different versus your kid yeah oh yeah you know I mean very fertile territory yeah very relatable it's a it's a thing like I'm I don't My kids are under, and I said it last night, you know, we went to a basketball game to celebrate another family. Yeah. And as we riding home, I said, I mean, y'all just don't really realize how different your life is from mine. Yeah, of course. I never remember going anywhere as a family. Yeah. Like ever. Yeah. Like, my whole 52 years, I can't—that's a memory that I don't have. When you were a kid. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You just never went out with your family. Nope. Well, because your parents were split from each other pretty early, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember going out with either one of them new situations. I don't remember. Like, I don't remember, like, me or Sam Angle. Like, I don't remember that. Like, did we do anything? Like, it just always was— Didn't go on vacation. One or the other. Right. Didn't go to basketball games. Didn't go to concerts. It's crazy. I never went to. My dad came to one basketball game and mama came to two football games. Yeah. My whole life. And I played sports the whole time. No kidding. High school and middle school. Two games. Two football games. Your whole life. Yeah, two football games. Wow. and my dad came to one basketball game and we talk about we can't talk about high school we talking about seventh eighth grade eighth grade we talking about eighth grade that's crazy that's crazy time when I think about it for me it's ridiculous I go to my daughter's swim meets practically every weekend And swim meets are really tough. Oh, yeah, they're long. It's a long situation. You never thought that you would eat pasta that you boiled the night before in a bag. Oh, yeah. You're just eating pasta. You didn't think that was going to happen? My whole thing with swim meets is you go, oh, I'm watching my daughter swim for two and a half minutes. I'm watching other people's kids swim for four and a half hours. I didn't sign up for this. It's crazy. And then you think that it's not a, say, it's like you checking things. Like, when is your event? Like, when is your event? Dude, I got the app with the event times. This is crazy. We've been here since. Why did they tell us to be here this early? Your event is at 11. We've been here since 6. We went at 7 one day. It's like, no one showed up until 8. Like, how come we did not get the memo that no one's coming until 8? Your first meet, did you have food already? Oh, no, no. We didn't know anything. You went straight to concessions. You was buying stuff from concessions. And you was like. With the vending machines. Then you start realizing like, we spent $40. Eating bugles and vitamin water all day. It like you know my oldest daughter swam for years Yeah Like from six to all the way through high school Yeah Lifeguard everything Yeah She swam for a long time Yeah Like a long time Yeah, so you went through a lot of the things. And then she would do the 500s. Oh, the 500s. Like you, like, yo. So far. It's like 20 laps or something. I'm not, why do I have to hold this board for you? I'm not a part of the team. I miss being a swim parent, though. Now I'm an ice skating parent. Oh, that's cool. Which is even crazier. What's funny, like, you did a four-part special. Yeah. It's so good. I couldn't recommend it more highly to the listeners. It's on YouTube. It's free. No credit for it. What do you mean no credit? No comedic credit for it. What do you mean? You know, when you do something that's never been done in a craft. Oh, okay. No credit for pioneering like a four-part special. Yeah. Yeah. Like, comics would, I think this is amongst the comedy community, we have like this disease where we think that some comic that already is huge, if we support them that they're going to say, you know something, I saw his post. He reposted my stuff. Let me take him on the road and invest in him. But the people that's around you, they really can't see the excellence in you because they feel like they're around. I could imagine people being around Jordan and not seeing it. How can you be around Magic Johnson and not see it? You're on his team. You know, LeBron's teammates saw it. They clearly did. But I think Jordan's and Magic's teammates got it, right? I don't think Jordan's teammates got it. But in comedy, I think it's two different levels of things. I see the, let me see, how is it? The mainstream side is, like I used to be so against the mainstream side of comedy. Yeah. Like they're soft. Yeah. Mainstream is so much better. It's so, it's humongous. The level of better is insane. For the consumer? For people watching the specials? For comics. For comics. The level of comedy in the Netflix, HBO space, you mean? No, like amongst, like give you an example. So when I went to Comic View, when I was on Comic View, we would go film and it would be all these comics there. It was like this competition of who's going to have the best set on Comic View. Yeah. Comic View on BET, which was huge in its day. It was like, when you walked in the door, it was like, it was competitive from every aspect of it. My haircut is better than yours. My clothes are better than yours. I smell better. I'm going to do, I got more. It was just so much competition. It was crazy. So then I walked on the set of This Is Not Happening. Yeah. Going to be on Comedy Central. and it was so inviting. Yeah. It was like nice haircut, nice outfit. Man, you smell great. Man, I hope you have a wonderful set. Yeah. Okay, what's the difference? Why is it so much competition over here versus over here? It's, I want you to go out and have a good show so we can get another season of this. I want to be the standout person that's just about me. Right. Two different aspects of it. That's interesting. Two different aspects of it. You know, it kind of, mainstream kind of feels like old classic comedy when I would listen to a Rodney Winfield or Ronaldo Ray talking about stuff that they wrote for Richard. Yeah. You know, or comics say that we would write for each other to make sure that you're going on Ed Sullivan, we're going to write some stuff for you to make sure. Because it's somebody else trying to get in the door. No, of course. So we're writing for each other, making sure that everybody is doing well versus just about me. And I've never been into the just about me because I've always played on the team. Yeah. But do you feel like you're in the mainstream or not in the mainstream? I feel like I'm not in either space, man. I'm in my own lane. Well, I think so too. You know, but that's a gift and a curse. Yeah, it's a gift and a curse. And, like, I don't get invited to a lot of stuff. Yeah. You know, but it's one of those things when people see me, oh, I'm happy here. But you didn't invite me, though. Right. You know, so. Do you ever, okay, do you ever get, are there big mainstream comics who are particularly respectful or disrespectful to you? are mostly respectful i would imagine mostly yeah i would imagine like the biggest comics would go yeah you're one of the best comics i don't think there's a lot of dispute there yeah but then it's weird with with people people think because it's because they like somebody that somebody can't be better than the person that they like but it's not even a better thing it's like sometimes work is just different. Work ethic is just different. You know, it's like I could watch somebody say, I love Anita Baker. One of my favorite artists, Anita Baker, Whitney Houston. But I can't deny Ella May is insane. And I just listen. How do you deny somebody that you know, it may not be your favorite at this point, but it's, you know, they really good. Yeah. You know, and I sit back and I watch other comics. I'm like, this dude is growing into his own. Like, I'm a fan. It's like, okay, I like Richard Pryor. Okay, I like it. And even with Richard, I try to figure out, Do I like him because he was the first album that I listened to? Yeah. Yeah, it's a good question. You know, do I like Eddie because it was the time? You know, did I like Cosby because of all the, you know, Fat Albert and, you know, and all the works because I didn't see the sitcom he was in. I just saw himself and then Fat Albert and then the Cosby show. And then I saw the movies with him and Sidney Poitier. Okay. Do I, because I felt like Dick Gregory was so smart, is that the reason? But then I understand why I liked Don Rickles. Yeah. You know, I understand why I liked Rodney Dangerfield. But do I look at, can I not say that there's a DL? You know what I'm saying? There's a Bill Burr. Yeah. You know, do I not, or do I just stay in that realm? These are the only people. These are the greats. These are the greats, and that is a dude. Carlin, you know. So nobody, like people asked me one time, do I think I'm the best storyteller? And I said, now you asked me a couple years ago, I would have said no. I would have put Cosby and Carlin in front of me. Yeah. I don't anymore. Good for you. When I look at it, I'm like, nah, I think, you know, Joy Diaz, it's like if I rank it, which I don't, I would go Joy Diaz is four, Colin is three, Cosby is two, I'm one. Where's Pryor? Five. Five? He's probably below Joey Diaz. Come on. What are we doing? When we're talking about stories. Yeah, he's got good stories. Joey Diaz is, and I'm not just talking about the stories. I'm talking about the mechanics of telling the story. Yeah, yeah. Joey Diaz is really good when I look at it. Okay, so if you break down what you think is a worthwhile story for you to tell on stage, What makes it, what pushes it over the top to being stage worthy? Having an underlying message at the end. Yeah. I'm not just telling the story just to be telling it. Because it's, if I tell a story about, say if I told a story about drugs, let's go like the prior, if I told a story about drugs, it's going to be a story that you can kind of see the message in and lead you away from doing drugs. Whatever the message, whether it's selling, doing, handling, being out with somebody that you wasn't supposed to be, I'm going to give the underlying message. It's not going to be the dog and the monkey type thing. like Pryor was clearly high when he was doing this. Monkey was talking to him and a dog jumped over the fence. He said, I'm going to beat you on to eat you next week. I was like, okay, where's the message in this? Like, you know, but Pryor tells stories like my Uncle Mac. My Uncle Mac stories are very embellished and they always something wild. And then I don't, like at the end of the story, I'm like, Okay. Did that happen? Right. Like, where do we go from here? Where is the rest of it? Yeah, yeah. Like, what did I get out of this story? And my grandmother's stories were always historic. Yeah. It was something about teaching something. Something generational. My mom's stories were very informationally against me. Proof of why you shouldn't be doing what you're doing. Proof of I should have just aborted you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So when I draw from the people that I learned how to tell stories from, you know, my grandfather was a very subtle storyteller. Yeah. You don't even know that you're in a story until you, what? Like, what is he talking about? Oh, I'm supposed to be listening. And that's how he navigated. So all these different levels to draw from, and then you pick when are you being jovial in a story, when are you being informational, when you have some really deep point that you're trying to get to, or you trying to like soothe somebody in a story. Domino effect two was the whole thing was about getting people to understand about loss and variations of losing things up until the ultimate loss of life. Yeah, your sister. Yes. And then coming full circle, understanding that you kind of lost yourself. Yeah. in this. So three, first day of school is no matter how long you have been living, it's always a first day of learning something new for you. I don't know how old you were when your kids started swimming, but it was a whole different learning. You probably did multiple things before then. Then you get there and it's like, oh, I have to learn this new world. One of my favorite tracks of yours is when you talk about your mom giving you the front door key and just being like, I got to make sure I don't lose the front door key. Yeah. And there's something about when you're a kid and you're given some responsibility, how terrifying that is. Losing that key was the worst thing. Yeah. And my sister, she saw me from a distance and noticed that I didn't have a string around my neck. She was like, where's your key? It's like, I don't know. Parents felt like if somebody found that key, there's no apartment number on it, but it's like they would know where to go. So I've seen you say in other interviews, you don't think of things as bits. You think of everything as stories. It like how do you decide what a story You like oh front door key How do you go like okay that a story That a story for the stage Because I only telling things that happened to me Yeah. I don't have a, I'm not drawing from any other place besides inside of me, so I don't have a bit. Right. Right, I'm not. Because a bit, it seems like, because I've written them, you know, it's something I had to work on. Mm-hmm. I don't say it a lot because it's seen in the comedy community because everybody wants everybody to be the same. Yeah. And I don't have the same story as nobody else. So I don't want to sound arrogant. I haven't written anything in six years. Wow. You haven't written, in other words, you haven't written anything down, but you've thrown stuff on stage. Domino Effect 2, the first time the director, anybody ever seen it was when I did it. Wow. I didn't run it. Wow. You didn't run it? No. So you, right, and it's very personal. You're talking about your sister dying. It's deep. Couldn't have ran it. Yeah, yeah, you didn't want it. It's impossible for me to run that anywhere and be intact. Yeah. So you just said to the director, I have a special. I'm not going to really tell you what it is. I got it. Yeah. And where'd you film it? Houston. Houston. In the Houston Improv. I told them what I wanted to look like. Yeah. I said, man, I wanted to be the light post. I wanted to look dark. I wanted to look like when I was on the block. Yeah. They made it happen, and they never knew what it was. It was crazy. My manager didn't know it. I just kept saying, trust me, I got it. Yeah. And he's like, all right, he said he got it. 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You know what I mean? Self-imposed. That's not self-imposed. Not all self-imposed. Yeah, man. You think so? A lot of this was, like, I explain this all the time. Man, I done never had to sell drugs. Right. My mom had a job. My dad had a job. Even though my dad wasn't there, my mom still had a job. Yeah. My mom had a lot of great work ethics. Two jobs, went to school. So when she couldn't take care of us, she would send us to her brothers and sisters. My mom got nine siblings. So they had jobs. My aunt's a registered nurse. One of my aunt worked for Nabisco for 35 years. My uncles worked in the medical field. One of my uncles was a cobbler, which is crazy. My uncle Lamont, right, he used to come to family functions, and he always had this long leather jacket on, leather hat, shoes, and he looked so tough all the time. And nobody ever said what he did. And I always like, yo, Uncle Lamar worked for the mob. He definitely kills people for the mob. So for a year, this is years. All throughout my childhood, early adult, I'm like, yo, my Uncle Lamont works for the mob. There's no other explanation. Same leather jacket, same leather hat. It's definitely the Iceman, the black Iceman. So I do Comedy Central in 2018. My uncle, I'm in LA. and my uncle comes and sits down at my aunt's house and he's saying, hey, nephew. Hey, man, you ought to let me make some shoes for you. I said, what? Yeah, man, I be seeing you got nice shoes on your feet. You ought to let me make some shoes for you. I'm like, why would he be making shoes? Like, is this some type of code? Yeah, code word. He said, I said, why would you be making shoes? He said, because I'm a cobbler. I make shoes for a living I've been making shoes 35 years I was like you make shoes? Yeah He's like He's like yeah I make shoes I'm like no you work with a mob I'm like who told you that? That's so funny I couldn't believe why I'm going to cobbler I was like That's so funny I'm thinking this man been killing people with a mob for decades It's funny Well it's funny like like one of the things that hits me when I'm When I'm listening to your comedy and your story because you were in jail and you sold drugs and you had all these dramatic things, there's similarities to the comedy world. Like the same hustle that's in that world is a lot of the same hustle that's in comedy. This is why I don't believe a lot of people when they say they was hustling in the streets. I don't believe you. Say more about that. because of this, then you wouldn't be asking for so much from other people. You wouldn't be mad at people not giving you something or doing something for you because in the streets, when you hustle, you get it on your own. You don't hope you hustle. That's right. I'm a gangster when gangsters never told you they was gangsters. Yeah. It wasn't a badge of honor. It was something that you hid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't like, hey, look at my shirt. I'm a gangster. It's like, no. People are like, what is he doing? Yeah, yeah, sure. There was still a lot of mystery around us. What is he doing? Yeah. You know, I could have been anything at the time. Just like with comedy. I was in open mics late at night. And this is when your girl was like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And he's like, it's always a what are you doing era. Yeah, it's a what are you doing era. It's like, because it wasn't. No phones, no accountability. And so you've been around the same time as me. I had no idea how to become a comic. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like no earthly idea. I try to explain that now to people about our era, that it wasn't a thing you did. It wasn't a choice. It literally, like, it was so unpopular and so uncool to be a comedian. Like, what are you doing? Like, what do you mean? Yeah, like, you had to explain it to people. I explained it. I said to my dad once, I'm being a comedian. He goes, comedian? What do they do, strip? No, they do comedy. I had no idea what I was talking about. It's like, I told my mom I was going to be a comedian. She's like, no, you're going to get a job. This is my job. Because you had no... If somebody would have asked you in 1997, how do you become a comedian? What would have been the first thing you would have even wrote? Nothing. Nothing. I have no guidance at all. I don't even know where to go. Like, I'm asking, like, okay, how do you even start this conversation? I would go, in D.C., I would go in the back of, like, the local weekly magazine and just be like, what are, what is an open mic of any kind? Like, is there a music open mic I could go? And then I would just show up and they'd be like, what do you do? I'd be like, I do comedy. They'd be like, we don't do that. And I'm like, well, I'm going to use my time for that. I started Apollo night. where people were booing people who were juggling. Apollo Knight. It's like you would sing, people would dance, they would juggle, they would do magic. Wow. And they would do everything. In Houston? In Houston. Wow. And you would get booed. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like you wasn't juggling fast. First of all, juggling is an amazing talent. And I don't care, most people can't juggle anything. Yeah. You know what I mean? But man, boo, juggling socks, you suck. Like, what? He's juggling socks. It's amazing. You know what I'm saying? And then he opened the socks. It's so hard to explain. Where you start coming. Yeah, it's so hard to explain to people. But it's not unrelated to where you came from, which is you don't hope you hustle. It's like you just figured it out. Even your YouTube specials, it's like they're on Netflix or on HBO. You're like, no, I produced them myself. I put them on YouTube. They got seen by tens of millions of people. That's a crazy outcome. Yeah. Like that is through one lens you go, well, that's the least likely outcome you could possibly have. Through another lens you go, well, of course that's what happened. Like both of those things are true at the same time. At the exact same time. Yeah. And it only happened because I had a special on Comedy Central. I did a half hour and a full hour, and I posted something about my special, and they copyright infringed me. I was like, what? But it's my face. Comedy Central did. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So they sent you a notice saying, pull this down. Yeah. Yeah. It's insane. And so you were like, oh, forget this. I'm going to just put up my own stuff. Doing my own stuff. I'm going to film it myself, put it up myself. Yeah. I'm like, man, I'm not doing that. And so I just knew when I started, the Apollo night couldn't have been the only way to start in my mind. So I started going to clubs and would ask, hey, do y'all have anything going on at this time? It's like, no. I say, well, can we start a happy hour comedy show? Mm-hmm. And then I would get a spot, and I would start bringing other comics that were trying to get on. But I'm doing the boat with the time. It's like I'm the host, so I'm— Yeah. And that the thing man To be in a host of your own room it was probably the most beneficial thing It the smartest thing you could possibly do Because some, it would be like, people wouldn't show up, like comics wouldn't show up late. Or sometimes there'd only be like two comics. So now you're using another new comic as just a break, almost. It's like, you go out there and you do seven minutes and then eight minutes and then they struggle and then you come back and you're like, oh, yeah. The next thing you know, you're doing 45 minutes. Yeah. It was because we actually didn't know. Just imagine. You started and I applaud you on this. And I think that the guys in our era and the ones before should really have a healthy respect for the craft and what we accomplished. Because you started in a time where you had no earthly idea what you could make. Who knew? No path. It's like the forest. and you just got to start navigating the road through this forest. Yeah, that's right. You had no idea what you could actually make and you have been doing this for 28 years and surviving and making a living off of this for 28 years. So you a real person that remember getting $20. Oh, yeah. Five. Yeah. Like. We used to get five at the comic strip on the Upper East Side. It's $5 funds. That's a club. I'm talking about another person. I would go in my pocket and literally give somebody $20 of the $100 that I got paid from this happy hour that I came over. They gave me $100. They gave me $150. And then I booked four other comics and gave them $20. $50. But what? Okay. But let's dig underneath this, which is like, where does the drive come from to be like, there's no path. I'm going to find a path. Like, where does that come from? Man, my dad saying the same energy that you can put in for somebody else, you can put in for yourself. So if you're trying to, and you have a desire to do something, then just do it. You know, my mom, two jobs and going to school because she wants to another profession. You know what I'm saying? And she wants to graduate. You know what I'm saying? She's 20 years old. She got two kids living in a place that she's not from. Do I stop? Do I give up? Right. What am I doing? If she's doing that, what am I doing? Do I just grind? My grandmother coming from Clarksdale, Mississippi, you know, being in the cotton field, like do I stop here? Do I keep pushing? You know, you got this lineage of people in my family that never gave up on anything. If you're going to make it, you're going to have to do it. Are you waiting on somebody to come save you? Oh, okay. Let me know how that works out. You know, like, in Houston, I chose never to move to L.A. or New York. I would come to New York and do rooms. I would go to L.A., but I never said I would move there. Oh, you got to move. You got to move. And I think when somebody tells me that I have to do something, it bothers me because, like, why would I have to do it? It doesn't make. I know what you mean. There's something that really bothers me about when people say you have to do this or it has to be this or this is the way it's done. For me, it's like all these red flags go off. Like what? Like what? I have to? So even with young comics now, some young comics actually think that I'm mean because I don't give them cookie-cutter nonsense. Yo, man, what would you say? What would you say to a young, inspiring comic? Nothing. I wouldn't be talking to you. What would I be talking to you about? man I'm just asking you don't have no tips for me no I said now what I will do I'll give you my number and then we can talk and I can get to know you and then I can guide you because I don't know what you want to do in comedy so what you want me to do okay you want me to give you some cookie cutter stay on stage keep writing but am I telling the comedic actor to keep to stay on stage or keep writing or I'm telling the actual stand up or I'm telling the sketch guy what do you want to do in comedy what do you want to be so I gotta know kind of know that first and then I can guide you from there I say or you can just pick up my book Applied Advice and out of the 13 things that's in there, those things were isolated for me. Those things were given to me. Those are the 13 pieces of advice from 13 different people that I respected that gave me the advice at the... I say, but even with this, I got that advice at the time that I actually needed it. Like, in comedy, as you know, it's peaks and valleys, highs and lows, and it's like I got a... i'm on fire this year the next year i don't even know if i'm i don't even know if i want to do this yeah and then or you you get something you get in position then somebody takes something from you or you you felt like you put out your best work and then you didn't get recognized for it in the space that you wanted to get recognized for yeah and somebody comes and throws a log in your fire that you need. And for me, that was, it happened at different times. But the base of it is this guy named B.R. Burns that was a playwright. I'm a young comic very early on, and B.R. said to me straight out, like comedy is a long, hard road. Stay in line, though. Yeah, yeah. Because if you stay in line, you'll get your chance. Yeah. But if you get out of line, you'll never get your chance. Smart. And that, I needed it at that time because I don't know what my direction. It was the time, 05. It was crazy. 2005 just was a difficult year in stand-up for me for some reason. Then 2007, I meet D.L. Hickley. Yeah. And that relationship, you know, turned into something wonderful. Yeah. D.L., I do something in 2009, and I'm complaining to D.L. about someone and his dude, you know, doing stuff just like me. And it's funny when somebody does something that you don't know they can do. They attempt to do it. D.L. was like, I'm going to tell you the same thing that Prince told Templin. And he tried to do a Prince impression and D.L. doesn't do impressions. I was like, yo, he sounds crazy. It was terrible. Yeah. But the message was right on time. And then he also said to me right after that, he said, man, the best you'll ever be on stage is based on how honest you want to be. Yeah. And these are the things that you kind of need. That's chilling. How do I? What's the Prince advice, can you say? He was like, he said Timbaland was telling him that everybody was out here trying to redo his sound. Yeah. And Prince was like, this is DL's impression of Prince. Are you the man? And then Tunes was like, yeah, I'm the man. Then create a new sound. Oh, that's great. And then Prince hung up on him. And then DL hung up on me. That's so funny. Hello? Are you the man that created a new sound? Yeah, created a new sound. Oh, love that. Great advice. Do something new. That's nice. They copying that. Do something new. Wow. I mean, you can't follow that. You can't follow that. Working It Out is supported by Helix. Helix makes award-winning sleep products tested and reviewed by experts like Forbes and Wired. Helix offers a 120-night sleep trial and limited lifetime warranty, 120 nights. I've been a Helix customer myself for many years, since the beginning of this podcast, almost six years ago. Everyone on the staff here at Working It Out has a Helix mattress. We all really love them. 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