Hoovies Garage Joins! New McLaren SUV, Ford Lightning Canceled & CarMax Collapse?

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Yeah, I think they will. People are still paying over for Toyota Sienas. Are you aware of that? That's still happening to this day. Over sticker for Toyota Sienas. You want a Sienna Woodland? Good luck. New Tellurides here, what do you think? It's a looker. I agree with your take that it looks very Range Rover from the rear. I think as someone who lives in the suburbs and has kids in car pools, this is going to be hot. I do think there will be over sticker. There will be a lot of demand. The number one question I get, and I'm sure you get too, is what's the best vehicle that has three rows? It is really, unless you have 100 grand plus someone in EV, which the R1S is the right answer. If you want gas and you want not 100 grand, this is the answer. Totally. I'm a Palisade man, though. You know what? To me, it doesn't matter. And it's actually funny because the Kia people brought the Telluride here, and they were going all these ways that they're different, all these ways the Telluride's better. And like to consumers, they're pretty similar. I get that question, what's the best three row? I have put 10 of my friends into Palisades or Tellurides. I love the new Explorer is great. The new Pathfinder is surprisingly good, actually. I'm kind of off the Highlander and the Pilot, believe it or not. I think they've fallen a little bit behind in terms of tech, but everybody loves how this looks. Don't you feel like all of those vehicles are falling short vehicles? Like you wanted the Telluride, but you settled with like a Pilot because it was out of stock or five grand over stickers. What they've done that's especially impressive is the design of this car. Everyone else was wanting to make kind of an off-roady car. Everyone else was wanting to make kind of an off-roady looking thing. You know, the G-Wagon's hot and the Raptor's hot and off-roading is big. The 4Runner and everybody else like wanted to do it. And so they did like little touches and Kia just went and made the car look boxy. Right. The Hyundai one, they just put red tow hooks on it. Yeah. The Palisade and it looks odd. The Palisade isn't as right. This works. This kills. I think they did a good job facelifting this without making it too polarizing. I think the EV9 is kind of Hane, but the EV9 warmed us up so that this didn't become too polarizing. Again, like a reverse halo car. So, nailed it. What kind of three-wheel SUVs people driving in Wichita? O5 Cadillac Escalade. Yeah, I was going to say GMTs, baby. GMT 800 still everywhere, fallen apart, but won't die. That's still true here. I'm astonished by how many of the... Not that body style and the body style after that, the one that came out in 07. I am astonished by how many of those are still running around. It's funny because those came from an era when people still had the perception that American cars were unreliable, which turned out to be completely false about those cars in particular. They are falling apart. The materials are not that good, but you can keep them running and running. Rust is happening. The interior looks horrible. The paint's falling off, but the drivetrain's still going up until they did the cylinder deactivation stuff. Oh, is that the problem? That was the thing. The active fuel management kind of killed that. You didn't want to deactivate the cylinders. You wanted to keep the cylinders active. This is American. You're guzzling that gas. You want to guzzle. Nick, so anyway, new tell your I just did the review. It's up. You should go watch it or not. It looks nice on the inside too, right? Good features. They said that in the spring it's coming out. I just think just looking at it in person, I was astonished. I love the old one and this one is even cooler. I am not a big fan of the little black things over the wheel arches, which I got a lot of comments about. They do not have a purpose. They are purely cosmetic. I think they're weird, but I also think they're only on the X-Pro. I think the non X-Pro models don't have them. You know what else is weird? Just the name X-Pro as a trim level. Don't you think when you think X-Pro, you think of an X professional? Yeah, like someone like a junior. Yes, Roger Federer is an X-Pro. And I was thinking that's like an extra tier on OnlyFans, you know, or something, you know. Yeah, I like how you think. Who be and I together is going to be a disaster for the editors. Give us our next new story, please. McLaren announced a roadmap of upcoming vehicles, including a new halo car that's going to be 900 horsepower, which I guess with the EVs, 900 doesn't really sound like a headline to me at all, but they're going to have a new really fast car that presumably will look like all of their other lineup. Right. And then they will have an SUV. And the SUV is rumored to be like a Cayenne turbo competitor in terms of size. So not like a cute little ute, but like a big boy SUV that you can, you know, bring all your finance pros together with, I guess. Yes, sculpted and muscular with presence. This is a rendering. It is not from McLaren. So who knows? This is not what it's going to look like. It looks good whoever Photoshopped it or it should look like. Yeah, I agree. It's a no brainer because the Urus sells so well. It does among that crowd. Those are the type of people who also buy McLaren. Some of the rivals do not sell that well. The DBX has been a hard sale since the day it came out. I agree. You thought about a used DBX. Yes. Are they under 100 yet? No, when that happens, I mean, got to be close. It's pretty cool. It needs to have the V8 or it's going to be a failure. If they're like, oh, what are we going to do with the not? Well, it's going to be a plug in hybrid. I mean, I don't know if it'll be a V8 or not. That'll be a failure. These are all plug in hybrids. You can't launch one of these and not have it be a plug in hybrid. Okay. It'll be a failure then. I would argue that an SUV from McLaren would be a failure anyway, just on its face. Have you seen what's happened with the Lotus SUV? No. Lotus, you know about this Lotus launched an SUV called the Electra, but it's electric and they build it in China. And so it has a huge tariff and it's like $250,000 and nobody's purchased one. You're not interested in the Lotus. Never seen one. No, no one has. Yeah. They don't exist. Did you review one? Yeah. I didn't watch that video. I'm sorry. I skipped that one. That one, unlike some of the others and I'm not going to name names. That one was pretty good. I apologize. McLaren SUV as a McLaren owner. That's right. And a former. Yes. You've had a couple. You had an MP4, right? Yeah. The MP412C, the SLR McLaren, which you have now. So I'm looking at it right now and just trying not to cry my eyes out. Yeah. I love the SLR. What do you think about this new direction, a plug-in hybrid SUV? I know. They got to do it. Everybody's got to do it, right? Every vehicle after 2008 is dead to me. He hasn't paid attention in Carson's O.A. It's similar, but I try. Yeah. Anyway, I think it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see where it's priced and all that stuff. You know, the Pure Songway gives these automakers hope that they can get a lot of money out of these cars, but in some cases they've been hard sells. If Ferrari did it, then no one has to have any shame about trying anymore. That's right. There's no purest, whatever, from McLaren. It'll certainly be interesting to see how McLaren tries to translate its design language, which is very swoopy mid-engine exotic car into an SUV. I still believe it did not translate well for Lamborghini. I still think the Urus is an ugly car. I think it's been ugly since the day it came out. So this is the car. You don't agree? You like the Urus? No. No. The Cardinals send everyone does is they just try to take their car and lift it, and it just, the proportions don't work. You got to start clean slate. That has never looked good, and everyone's tried it. 9-5-5 Cayenne. Porsche tried it, the first Cayenne, which in years since has kind of become well regarded, but I was there when it launched. Trash. And I remember people hated how that looked. And the Cullinan, they tried to do the same thing, which was a little odd, and the Urus, it just didn't go well. Antega works. Antega works. Yeah. You had one of those too, right? I did. How does that go? You had 12? I had a 12. It was good. Was it reliable? Yeah, never had a problem. What did you buy it and sell it for? It's been years now, so four or five years ago. I bought it for a little over 100 and sold it for, I think, low 80s. Nice. Yeah. I want that car. I want a Bentley so bad. But he's had this Bentley Arnaj that's been the worst car any of us ever. That's different though. That was like pre Volkswagen Audi. I don't know that the addition of Volkswagen Audi makes me feel more confident. I had a B5. No, it helps. Yeah. My 2006 has been good for almost three years now. My 80,000 miles. 2006, Flying Spur? No, it's not Flying Spur. It's a VT. Conjurty. Yeah. I had a B5. A lot of issues. Frequently when I had my B5, A4. You drive along. You're talking about a B5. This is 20 years ago. You drive along. Yeah, but the Bentaygas like 15 years ago. No, no, the light years apart. You drive along and sometimes the check engine light would come on. Not only would it come on and start flashing, which if you look at the owner's manual, it says immediately turn off the car and drive to the dealership flashing. Terrified. You turn the car off, you turn it back on. No check engine light at all. That was the level of quality that my B5, A4. That's a great anecdote. I'm hesitant to buy a Ford because my papa who served in World War II for one year, he was actually, I found out stationed in New York City during World War II. Damn, World War II vessel. That's a very, very high risk situation. Yeah, he had a 40 a Model T. Yeah, he had a Model T and it wouldn't start sometimes. So the Explorer is just off the list. You're missing the point. Am I? I think I'm nailing it. Volkswagen Audi does not inject reliability except to Lamborghini. They do compared to our NOS. Sorry. Your baseline is that low. Literally anyone could inject. I have an unfixable Silver Suroff right now. It is done. What are you going to do with it? I pushed off a cliff. You thought about bearing it? That's the thought. Didn't you get some trouble for bearing it? So yeah, they loved it when I buried cars 10 years ago. And now, no, I can't. I had an X6M that I dug a hole and buried it because it had the wrong engine. It's somebody like a non-M engine to get this thing to run in it. So great. I sold it at a dealer auction. It shows up like what the hell? And like trying to hammering in these lines and fittings to fit. And they're just leaking everywhere. It was a mess. So I was like, okay, dig a hole, bury it. That's my out to get YouTube videos out of it. Furious. Like that car could have fed all the starving kids in Africa. Who may ask, are you referring to the audience? The audience loved it when he buried cars 10 years ago. The EPA, however, their stance on this whole thing is unchanged. It's my land. Oh, wow. Yeah. I can't tell what to do about my land in Kansas. Or like jumping the land Rover of Oak. I thought nobody was going to care about that. Oh, yeah. Oh, they were so mad. Every time you destroy a car on YouTube, you get an enormous amount of hate because you took a car away from needy children. There were needy children, hungry children who could have eaten the car. And now they cannot eat the car. Yeah. Even though it's massive liability for anyone just to give that car. That's awesome. I destroyed an all road that was already completely destroyed and I still get hate to this day. And then I tell people about my B five. Next story. Ah, yes, something. Spiker is back or planning a comeback. The original founder bought back all the intellectual property. Obviously there's that dude in the Netherlands that's like flying around at Ed Bullion's garage and fixing them himself. So the band is back together and there is hope for Spiker. I have to say with all the BS hypercar brands that are just like AI generated, whatever, Spiker is one of my favorites. Like I think of Spiker personally is cooler than Koenigsegg or Pagani in terms of just like it's pre 2008. It's my jam. How many times has it failed? A couple. A couple. So it's on there like Fisker, you know, it comes back and it's like the B five out of you. Just turn it off and turn it back on. I will say though, it has failed a few times. The cars were cheap. The cars that there's become in the last five years a real groundswell of interest around the cars. The cars are now a regular seats now a 350 car. And when the cars become valuable, this happened with Bugatti, honestly, the name starts to become valuable again and the revival of the name becomes appealing again. And you could possibly see something coming out of this. It'd be cool. I drove Ed Bullion's, here's Nate, I'd have a gated R8 over it. You'd have to get it right over the Spiker. Yeah, if they were worth the same amount of money, of course, but yeah. What? Why? The Spiker is like this. It's a gated R8, but a much nicer fancier version. It's like this beautiful detail work and you don't like the detail, you want plastic. The quality really, it wasn't, it didn't even blow my mind in person. Like I built my head and I saw it in person. It's all this machine finished stuff on the dash, it's beautiful leather, the open linkage, the propeller steering wheel. You get that and you think, I really want plastic climate controls. It's surface level, kind of just like gimmicks, I feel like. You wanted everything to be cast iron under the skin. Okay, well, it's not a gullwing for God's sake. It's a Spiker. But it's like someone trying, like let's put all this stuff on the surface to make it seem like it's a classic car and it didn't work. There is a little bit of Excalibur to it. Where it's like, there is some tricking you to think of this vintage, which I don't love. Like a vintage airplane is what they're going for, right? When really what we want is to march forward. But like Singer makes a really beautiful handmade looking stuff, but they don't make it look like it's 1942. Yeah, but still the Spiker's cool. It looks cool on the outside. I'm just saying. You'd rather have an R8. Yeah, rather have an R8. One of the worst hot takes ever presented on the car. But that's why we love you. So he doesn't want Spiker to return. Oh my goodness. He's sitting here thinking, I hope to God this doesn't happen. Do you know that Spiker at one point made an SUV? No. Pull it up. The Peking to Paris? Oh, you think I'm going to be able to figure out how to do this? That's such a good point. Oh my good Lord. How do we always go back through the- Oh no, oh no! Okay, I think it's Skate and Hands. All right, you know, we don't have to do- Okay. Oh wow. I did it. If I- If I pull it up. If I pull it up on my phone and like hold it up really close to the- To Paris. No, Peking to Paris is the name of a- Peking, is the name of a- SUV. Okay, well that's better. Images. Look at that. You know about this? Oh jeez. Talk about a bad example. Oh my good Lord. Nick, talk about a bad example of trying to take the car design and making it larger. That existed and still exists. Someone owns it. I would love to buy it. 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Did you, Ford Lightning owner Tyler Hoover, it's good that you're here. Did you read this week the Wall Street Journal reported? It's because of his viral videos and all of the info wars type media-established. I did not think that that was going to go with the crazies of it. I forgot about that. You were like on Newsmax and stuff. I was everywhere from the shop. Hannity, Newsmax. Yeah, was that one guy, the crazy guy? Alex Jones. The F-150 Lightning Wall Street Journal reported this week that Ford is likely going to cancel it. Ford has not communicated this. They have not confirmed this, but you know, a story like that at Wall Street Journal is pretty well sourced. They also reported, I don't remember the exact numbers, but they sold last month something like 100,000 F-150s of which 1,300. I mean, it is like a, and of course, when you think about, it's not like a special edition that's cosmetic. Yeah. There was a lot of development that went into this truck. Yeah, you would think that they could keep it going since it's just on the F-150 platform, but it must be different enough to be, to get rid of it. And I think the cost to make them, they're selling 1,300. Because like the Chevy's are on their, you know, the Onesil EV platform with the Hummers and everything else. So they have a big platform, but these are just electric F-150s. My guess is that they're going to continue making it until there's some sort of F-150 facelift and then they're not going to bother doing a lightning. Well, the Maverick they've talked about, whereas like the under 30 grand electric Maverick is going to nuke those because that's where all the buyers are going to go. That's right. You know, the majority of Mavericks I see are hybrids. And honestly, I think the use case is clearly there for a hybrid truck and a Maverick hybrid. People who are buying that already want sort of like an in town fuel economy, fuel efficient kind of thing. And it works great for that. But boy, the electric truck didn't last, did it? Huvie and I are into the F-650 on the site right now. That's more our jam. Yeah. So that was, that was an interesting chapter in my YouTube history going viral for some crazy reasons. I bought it and I put a Model A pickup truck on a trailer, aluminum trailer, very light, and just tried to tow it 30 or 40 miles up. And back on a full battery. And it is in wintertime. It almost didn't make it. Not even a hundred miles towing a very light load. And I just made a video talking about it and saying this doesn't make any sense for any kind of use for anybody using a truck. I remember this is a big amount of news coverage that guy. Yeah. I was everywhere. Do you have any regrets about the role you played in killing the American automobile industry? It was, I think they did a good job themselves. But yeah, getting emails from the higher ups at Ford and asking me, you know, like, they didn't ask me to take down the video and then things. Well, I mean, it was true. Like ultimately it was the truth. Well, somewhat. But then Alex Jones got ahold of it. And like, he's just reacting to it live as he's watching it. Clearly hadn't watched the video before. So he's looking at it and driving in my neighborhood and he goes, see, it won't go over 20 miles an hour. And then, you know, and then just like speed limit. And then look, it can't even go like my first car is a Volkswagen Beetle. And it could do circles around this thing. And no, the thing's fast. So, you know, I do that criticism about it and about Alex Jones not getting this right and the defenders go political. But I mean, I am still Alex Jones has defenders even to this day. You're going to get in the comments where he was right about everything. He's right about everything. And that like they they get so angry at me for saying he was wrong on. I drove the car. I know what happened. I was the whole Sandy hook thing would have settled all that about Alex Jones. No, but they don't. It's funny because all of this is common knowledge. Now, EVs lose their range in the cold and they don't tow well. Like that's not controversial. But at the time, but not. It was it was it was the video made it simple and clear enough. Hey, here's a guy towing in a you know, in Kansas. Like this isn't some trick. There's nothing trickery. This is just a dude. And I do think that was that was interesting. And honestly, I think I don't know that video necessarily had a huge role. But the the facts that came out of that video are a real reason why this truck has not been successful. Yeah. And it's the cold weather is especially bad on these because they don't do any kind of battery heating with them. So then that that's that's the big difference with Tesla where they're they're still they're a big hit in the cold, but just not as bad. And so these are just atrocious when it gets cold out. I'm not surprised that this episode is brought to you by Redfin. 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And it's not really just Maybach, but Mercedes is slashing the prices across the board of their EVs, much like the Lightning after the incentives ended, the sales plummeted. There's a lot of reasons for that, and I think a lot of those sales has got pulled forward. However, you can get 50 grand off on a Maybach EQS. So they're $100,000 new. I had one that was a one, no, nine sticker that I bought for 34. It was a 2022. But these are EQS. These are like this, the example that I saw was a $200,000 sticker you can get for one thing. Oh, for like an AMG or a Maybach? A Maybach. A Maybach EQS, which has been a very hard car to sell from what I've heard from my friends at Mercedes-Benz dealerships, possibly the hardest new Mercedes-Benz at all to sell. They're saying $50,000 coming back on a $50,000 discount if you get a 25. It seems like it's one of the few cars where everybody's rolling with 20 or 30 grand negative equity and they can hide it in those cars. So that's the only way they're moving them, I think, currently. Yeah, but talk about negative equity. You roll a negative equity like that? Yeah. I know. Your next person said it better be a cruise liner or something. You get Gap insurance and you point it towards the tree. Well, that is actual dealership advice that, you know, like, hey, you got Gap insurance. Aim for the front right of the car. Put it in. Yeah, that's... I used to tell people that down at Tyler Hoover, Chris, or Dodge, G.B. Oh, but yeah, I was not impressed with the fit and finish on the EQS, and I especially compared to the S-Class. And the same price as the S-Class. And they're so different as far as the quality of the door creaking and just that kind of stuff. I was like the only EQS defender and I still am. I think they drive amazingly. They drive great. They drive great. Do you want to hear this? Every time, like this cracking poppy noise every time you pop. The press vehicle that Mercedes-Benz sent to me, which I'm sure was very representative of the overall market, was completely fine. No problems at all in that car. And my review was not aided at all by the fact that they put a nice little box of chocolates in the back. No, I loved that car. And I liked it a lot when it was new, although it seemed like a bad value at the time. But as a used car, I would put up with a lot of creaking in the door for $34,000, a three-year-old car. When I bought it, I was researching the car to see what other people had said about it. I watched your video and I think you said, this is going to be a big hit for Mercedes or something. You were calling it out like this is a game changer here. Well, listen, it felt like it was going to be a game changer, in part because I reviewed the car on Halloween and the infotainment graphics all changed to like pumpkins and things. Oh, they got you on there. I was like, they've done it. They've got it. Unfortunately, that distracted me from the fact that it was a $130,000 electric car that nobody wanted. It was tough to... the pumpkins. They had jack-o-lanterns on them. It was there anyway. I'm sorry. Smart. Okay. Next new story, please. Jeep 392 is coming back. I'm not sure that it went away. It took a year off. But the big news is that there's two pieces of big news. Number one is it's coming back at an $82,000 sticker price. I looked this up in the final... the last year that it was in production, it was a 102 sticker price. They dropped the sticker price by $20,000, which will surely alienate a wide variety of people who paid $100,000 over the last couple of years. Yeah. And... They were discounting them pretty heavily though at the end. They are going to release... this is true. They are going to release one new special edition Jeep every month throughout this year. Month? Every month. They are going to release it like 12 for 12. And on the 12th of every month, a new special edition will come out. So this is what's going to fix Jeep. This is Chrysler. Chrysler was going EV. They were doing all this stuff. Then they asked that. The CEO is gone. And they're like, let's go back to what we do best. Big engines and special edition. So like a restaurant having their special. That's their strategy now for selling cars. Like, okay. The fix that we're about to go back to tomorrow. We've got... we've got... pecking duck. Yeah. That's what we got this month. Anyway. I like how Toyota does it where you get a special color every year for the TRD pros. That's kind of neat as you can tell. But every month, even the hardcore Jeep people won't be able to be like, oh, that's a February car. A pumpkin spice. Yeah. I'm going to say something. Definitely got to do pumpkin. I'm going to say something that is going to surprise you and maybe a you a little bit, but especially you. I'm going to say it and then we're going to move on. There are times where I have considered a G500 Cabriolet Departure and a Wrangler 392 Arrival. Wow. There are times when it has entered my mind. I think they're cool as hell, but a hundred and no 80. No, I'd get a used one. That's still a lot. I mean a Wrangler. It's deep down. It's a Wrangler. Yeah, but... If you think the EQS had bad fit and finish and... Can I ask you a question? Since you're stuck in 08, what do you think a Wrangler costs? 16? 14? They're affordable. They're gettable. Come at me from the TJ days, Nick. Wranglers are like 50 base. I mean kids in my high school had me, you did a two inch body lift and you put some 33s on it. I don't think the YJ is that bad. They're just basic... They're old school off-roader still. They kept to their chords. My Paul has one. He actually has 392. Yeah, Wrangler. They do sound good. They sound great. This is your grandfather? My Paul, my dad. Your actual dad has a Wrangler. My Faja. What else does he have? Okay. In the middle, in the middle west, we don't use mom and dad and grandma and grandpa. We say papa, pa, pa. Right. It's like, call you my daddy. And then, of course, my dad. Steve. Steve sometimes. Yeah. And Karen is two years younger than my dad. You haven't done that in a while. Daddy? Yeah. I'm sorry. Do you miss it? No, but I, you know what I miss about it? Not that weird voice. Daddy. That can go. But what I miss is people coming up to me at car events and saying, it's Daddy Doug, your Tyler Hoover's daddy. I miss that. Damn it. Do you think you've spread your wings now and you don't need me anymore? I think, I think I have created my own little universe in Kansas. Uh-huh. And you have here with cars and bids and all of your people that are your daddy to them now. Oh. So I feel like, I feel like- What he's saying is someone else, you know, maybe someone named after a month between March and June calls him daddy. And so there he does want to confuse him. Kenan doesn't call you daddy. No. Okay. Move on to the next new story. Car max. Car max is apparently failing, doing poorly. Things are down. You're at a date. The stack is down 58%. Huvie, take us through. Give us a car max memory. You worked there. I, I, I'm a, I, I love car max dearly. Of course, what might began in this industry by exploiting car max is used car warranty. Do you remember who bought car max 20 plus years ago? All I remember is that circuit city founded to car max. Yes. They created it. They created it. Yes. Yeah. Well, they sort of made it off of basically creative and sort of bought into it. It's like some Wayne Heisinger stuff. It was like that. Circuit city commissioned a consulting company to find out where there were market holes. Wow. And the consulting unrelated to certain consulting company actually adding value. Yeah. Wow. And the more value than circuit city. Yeah. So circuit city at their peak started car max. And so wild. That's true. All this is true. But there are not nationally recognized chain use car dealers where people have like a, like a, like a belief in their quality. You know, it was all spotty. And so they launched it. My first job in the car business was at car max opening in Kansas in 2006. Wow. The initial plan, because it actually started. Great time to be in car sales. It started in the nineties. The initial plan for car max was to only roll out in the southern states because they could prevent a lot of the rust and other issues that happen. And eventually, of course, became national. I think it even went eventually went to Canada. But for a long time, they were only in kind of the sort of southern rim that the sun belt of America, if you will. And then who he was there selling car. I was. Yeah. My first car ever sold was a trailblazer. What was the best car you ever sold? Like car max. You know, I don't think there ever was really a good one. I mean, there's some high end trucks and things, but they didn't have really cool oddball stuff that they occasionally do now, especially in Kansas. Car max. I didn't make very much money there because there's only $200 fixed commission of car. There was no Haggle. People in Kansas hated no Haggling. So I left, oh, maybe six months in and went over to a Chevy Cadillac BMW store and made 1500 bucks on my first car because the old seven Chevy's had just come out. Oh, the full size, the full size. The top and the Silverado. And so all that. And that was hot. The Escalade revised everything. So it was a hot time to be at a Chevy store and did much better there. Yeah. It's a cool idea though. Get a nice warranty. Pick up a warranty on that electric BMW. There you go. Why are they struggling? I would think this would be a great time to be car max. What would you think that? All the new cars suck. No one wants them. They're all overpriced. Get a used car with a warranty. It's not going to work because they're still having to overpay to get inventory. There's very few nice lease returns and Carvana is kicking their butts on the bidding. So Carvana, wherever they get their magic money from, beats car max on their trade in bids by thousands every time. The Carvana experience also just so. If you have a BS car, not the kind you'd sell on cars and bids where you should never use Carvana ever. Well, and you guys do the comparisons of how much more the cars bring in cars and bids when there's something interesting. But if you have a Kia, not a Telluride, or not a Singer GT, but if you have a normal car, a Carvana is not a Szinger. I don't know what to do. Everyone knows I love to keep my M5 ultra clean. It's a part of my routine and it makes me feel great to see it looking its best, clean and crisp. When it comes to myself, I'm equally as picky. And to keep my beard and facial hair equally as tidy, I turn to Harry's. 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That's on our protocols to be able to do it. Car max strikes me as one of these things that's gotten so big that they actually make it harder for their dealers to sell cars, which was a common complaint I heard when I was in the car business. You make us get compliant flower pots and compliant trash cans and it's all these ancillary things that doesn't matter. We're just trying to sell cars. You know, I'm actually not in the cars. I'm just in the low balling that of people. So car max is against my religion. It was so hard training people in Kansas. What do you mean you can't give me $2,000 off this camera? I can't hack a little dollar. They thought it was me just being a jerk. I would be like, Tyler, give me your wristwatch. Give me something. Because other than that, the only other thing I don't care. I don't care. I need value add here. Because scion had just come out and that was no hack. But young people were buying that so they got that. But then normal people look up mid-westerners coming in and buy a used camera or a truck and they're like, what? Yeah, it was annoying to them. I can get this down the street for this one. You know, there's only one car I did in low ball and had a $$$$ out of. There's an SLR. Oh, how beautiful. You know what? Daddy did it. I had such immense respect for the seller that I was just like, you know what? Name your number. I won't even question it. I didn't even just tell me what's fair. I did not even give them a moment's thought that there... Because there is... It was like, I'm getting what I paid for it or I'm just keeping it forever. And I was okay with that. The real answer is he didn't think I was a buyer. He's just like, cheapskate neck is just wasting my time. Because Doug opened it and said, hey, we're going to sell this SLR for $200,000. I was like, it's been on fire. No, no. Hang on. It's like Doug low balled you. Hang on. And so I didn't have to. 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I'm going not slowly. It's a little bit over the 65- You're in a modern sports car with double the horsepower. Yeah. Going pretty quick and this 300 SL and I'm looking at my mirror and this is the coolest experience I've ever had in my life. There's a 300 SL behind me going hard, like hard, left lane, little through traffic, 300 SL. That's what it's built to do. It's the world's first supercar. It was amazing to see it drive like that. I couldn't believe it. In 1955, when 100 miles an hour was the sound barrier, that thing was 150. So it was easy to do, speed limit 65 to do 80, 90 for a second. No problem. For a second or 30 minutes, but that didn't happen. In Mexico. We went down to Mexico and then came back. I wasn't on the five freeway. I was on the Uno. There you go. So you just drive that thing like that? Yes. Why wouldn't you? Well, it's old. It's fine. It's worth a ton of money. You're not scared? You got insurance. Yeah, but you want to make that call to your insurance? No, I sure don't. I sure don't. That's the thing. And then if it's a fixable accident, it would be a year before I got the car back and I'd still be making payments on it. So that is a little bit of a thing. You're making payments on this car? 70s old? Yeah. Yeah. What's that like? How's the structure of financial? Similar to the Bugatti. Yeah. I did a collateral swap actually. So you do a lot of interesting financial instruments? Yeah. You know, I didn't have a large infusion of cash from an investment firm. So I have to finance my things. Yes. So you drive around in this 300 SL hard? Yeah. You should have seen it. Imagine you're going pretty hard. Like you're kind of doing as fast as you feel comfortable with cars around and look behind you, there's the 300 SL. I did go through this thing. There's the 300 SL. I did 1,000 miles in the car a month ago, so I got very comfortable with it. A few years ago I did the Milmia. You drive way, way harder than that because the Italian police encourage you. They're like escorting you. Wow. And if you're not keeping up with the Italian police when they're escorting you to race across Italy a thousand miles, they're mad at you. So it's like, this is a 1955 car and I'm going 100 and what? And there's like normal cars and pedestrians and everything. This is crazy. And then I have a Formula One driver in the passenger seat, Karl Windlinger, a German or Austrian. And he's like, go hit it. And so, yeah. Is there anything you haven't done? Well, apparently not calling you daddy enough. I'm jealous of Hoopie. Aren't you jealous of Hoopie? Oh, yeah. That's why army did the Mealy mission. It's called saying yes. Your favorite word is no. Like, oh, just kidding. How do you know that? Everybody knows that, but how do you know that? You shouldn't know that. I say yes to you every time you reach out. But I do like saying no to stuff. I got invited the other day to some press launch like locally. And I was like, I can participate in that. Can can we rewind? Why are you here? So you your car probably was being worked on. I want some lunch. No, I was getting it sorted out after the rally. So the car hadn't run in over 10 years, but I was expecting something, you know, not as nice as this. So Matt, I know the Cultivated Collector will give him a shout out because he got Doug is a car GT and found me this gold wing out of the state. But it kind of ran, but didn't because it's been safe for so long. The fuel was bad. So the first going through the classic center, they woke it up, but then you shake it down. So we did the 1000 mile 300 cell rally down where it was very fun. It was beautiful and all that stuff. The the gold wing owners, every one of them were over 80 years old. And it was we didn't drive them that hard, but we had fun. So then it was leaking everything. The old cooler exploded. So we had to bypass that. The radiator was leaking. Some coolant hoses were leaking. It it needed a lot. The fuel delivery was still a little weird. So it needed more massaging at the classic center. So I picked it up from there, went to Jay Leno's garage and parked it next to his and he drove my car and then down to daddy Doug to say, hi, daddy. For a little time. There we go. He's making up for lost. Yeah. Eventually I hope Doug wants to film a video. The intent was to park it next to his Crer GT and be like, look, we both got our ultimate dream cars. We were talking about them in Auto Trader and Atlanta seven, eight years ago. And now we got it, but his is broken busted. Yeah. No, it's fixed. I just haven't been up there. And it said, because on that drive we were doing today, we drove by the Porsche dealer with the car sitting. Could have just picked it up. But I don't have a ride back. I'm thrilled you have this. Thank you. What did it cost there at the classic center? Oh, the repair costs. Have you announced this yet? I don't know. I haven't. I haven't, but they're honestly, they're really taking good care of me. I mean, they wanted the car to be used for some events and stuff. And so it's, it's a half a million dollars. Two fifty. No, 200. No, 175. Full retail on what they did would barely be six figures. Can I ask you this? Are you concerned? This is a big investment for you. I mean, it's a big, it's a massive car. Yeah. Are you concerned at all about the fact that the folks who have them are older and what's going to happen to that market in the next 20 years? I am, but I'm not at the same time because I've done being Mr. Speculator and Mr. Bicell and all that stuff. And this is this was the adult dream car for me since I was 16 years old. You want to keep it forever? If I would love to keep it forever, if I have the ability to do so great, if I have to sell it down the road, you know, at least, hey, I did it. Yeah. And that's out of my head for ever. It would suck if I did it 20 years later and it's a half a million dollar car instead of a 1.5 million dollar car. But even then you would have had the experience, which is real. Right. I'm young enough to drive it on the highway like that. Yeah. For a thousand miles. And I bet a lot of the people on that rally, I bet wouldn't don't drive it like that or wouldn't drive it like that. No. No. It was really impressive. Yeah. Congrats. Yeah, I'm proud of you. Well, congrats on the SLR. Yeah. Yeah, we all we all. Cheapskate Nick, as I started calling him, because yeah, I know. That's true. After after me getting mad at Doug for saying the SLRs are going to not go up in value, which is true. You know, the main reason I do this podcast is because they provide lunch right beforehand. Yeah. And I get hung up on one. Cheapskate Nick. Right. Speaking of Cheapskate Nick, over the weekend, we, me and Cheapskate Nick and another fellow got our cars together and we created this picture here. Justification for higher education. Do you remember 2005? Yeah. It looks like, yeah, it looks like the movie Red Line at the starting line. Yeah. That's what it is. It's so good. Heidi Griffin's about the wreck that ends up. Right. Do you remember? I mean, this was, to me, I always felt that it was the SLR, the Courgette and the Enzo, just those three. The market has treated the 4GT quite well. And obviously, from a value perspective, it now obviously deserves to be in this group. Probably a Veyron should be in here too. Yeah. But maybe a Mercy. But like this was it. Yeah. Absolutely. So we have a friend who has these two, the Courgette and the Enzo. He does not have an SLR and a 4GT. And so once Nick got the SLR, we realized, hey, we can put this together. We got to do it. And so we did. A great color palette. Yeah. It's wonderful. Yes. It is upsetting because honestly, if you hadn't agreed to the 275, because I wasn't advertising for sale, I wouldn't have sold the car. Oh, you're looking at this picture and you're wistful. He hit a very car max mentality there. What was the sticker on this new? 490 or just five. Yeah. Someone replied to the comment and was like, oh, what do you mean it's 04 rich? It's rich today. All the cars have gone way up in value. And there were a couple of not the SLR. All the other ones have, though. And in fact, from a percentage basis, you know, the 4GT is increased as much as the Enzo. Yeah. Or the Courgette. I don't remember one of the two. The Enzo's were 650 new now. They're like four, four and a half, five, five and a half Courgette's went from 440 to two for that yellow one. My 4GT was a 155 sticker and it's probably a 500 car. If it didn't have the miles I have on mine, which most of them don't. It's crazy. You know what? And Huvja and I are off speculating and we buy Mercedes that are certainly going to lose more value in the future. It was amazing to get these cars together and relive what I still consider to be. There's been some really strong 300 sales sales lately. And a lot of younger people are getting into the more hip rallies like the Colorado Grand and that kind of stuff. And so I'm hoping that the Crypto Bros keep up. I have to tell you. It's going to be like, yeah, a Goldwing is a Goldwing. You know, that's the thing. Like ultimately, I think a lot of these cars will lose their luster and lose value. I'm looking at you in my review mirror today thinking I would buy one of those. I wouldn't spend what it currently is. I can't buy one. A million and a half, ten years isn't a million and a half. Exactly. If it did lose or start to decline with inflation, at some point I'd step in. It's like a C2 Corvette. There are some cars in that era. I'm not into cars in that era, but there are some cars in that era where yeah, you would do it at the right number. Yeah, you've had pretty much all of them too. Right. You've had the 65 Mustang that was the club racer. You've had. Yeah, there's a real Shelby. You've had the Corvette in the blue. The blue 66 Corvette. You know what hit me the other day too? I was thinking about this because Goldwings are 300 S L's are way more expensive than they should be if you look at the production numbers. There's an enormous number of 300 S L's. In fact, from a market cap perspective, the 300 S L is the most expensive car ever. They're they're they sell for two million bucks and there's like 3,000 between the coupes and the road. It's just an unbelievable number. They're not rare. They're pretty easy to find. There's always one available. Every rally has seven of them in part because they're so easy to save. This for your Sunday video where you talk down the value. But what I what hit me was the F 40 is the 300 S L the next generation. Yeah, that also is a car that should not be what it costs. There is no car has no business being three and a half or three million considering how many there are. But the thing about the 300 S L that is equal to the F 40, there's some. There's like the special. It's it transcends production numbers. It transcends performance level. It is a truly special car to everyone beyond just standards that you use to judge other cars. Right. And driving them, they live up to the hype. Yeah. That 40 definitely lives up to the hype when you drive. These they feel like something decades newer. I think this certainly lives up to the hype. F 40. I think it's more about the last Enzo's car that there's a lot of special things about it. The drive is not the 300 S L drives incredibly well. I never really understood why so many people use them on vintage car rallies until I finally drove one. And then it was like, oh, you could just drive it. Like it's a car. Yeah. Which is so untrue of every other 50s car. There's so much BS you have to contend with. Right. And it's because of that tubular chassis for the most part. And that's why the glowing doors exist because of the big sill on it. So yeah, even a roadster, I have different roadster, multiple roadsters. Is it better? It's yeah, it's better. They're a little more powerful, a little, little more comfortable. Yeah, comfortable steering is a little better. Yeah, brakes doors. Don't go up. Yeah. That's the thing. When when push comes to shot, he sent an SLS to a group chat the other day and was talking about how cheap it was. It was like 120 120 of SLS roadster, but you can barely buy a Kia. Tell you right from look at him. Look at him. He's got my attitude. But on the goal wing rally, they're allowing SLS is because a lot of these older people are just like, OK, I can't do this anymore, even though they're pretty easy to drive. So the SLS is show up and you're just like, because most of them are roadsters. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, to the problem and I have with the SLS roadster, I think the I think the coupe is cool. The roadster, especially since they came out with the AMG GT. Yeah. It's tough. Like they look pretty similar. The AMG GT probably performs better. It's not like the SLS roadster has a V12 or some crazy characteristic that makes it ultra special. The roadster is just kind of a car to be on. I mean, it's a really cool car. It drives incredibly, but it's the the coupe is like the where it is. I know. But it's effectively the same car, just different doors and roof. And it's a 60 grand discount. Like it's a 40 percent off deal. But I would argue and I usually prefer the convertible. So I would why not take it to the AMG GT roadster at that point? You can get another 60 grand off at the same performance level. Yeah. But that's the same story with roadsters and go wings. The go wings are worth more. It's just as they should. It's the icon. Is there should be. I had to pay for it. It's not like I. Yeah. Yeah. But you'll get it back when you sell it. You know what? I'll buy it from you. OK. 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Your social skills could use some work. The questions aren't odd. They're it's what I want to know. Look, I don't want to talk about boring stuff like other people do. I want to get into the heart of the matter. I want to get in. I want to see what's really going on up here and in here. But people don't want to like you. Most people don't want to know about baby mamas and like the things that you want to know about. I have I said anything about that today. I've been very respectful about that today. Speaking of how are you? You brought it up anyway. So you think that's why Tamarian doesn't want me around? Damn, I could be driving next to this 430 scoot with Montana plates or next to that McLaren with Montana plates or next to that singer with Montana plate or next to that carer G2 with Montana plates or if I'm not in Montana plates, when I did that doesn't have plates at all. So when I did the Kuntas rally, yeah, it was only 300 miles. It was like a half moon bay into Monterey or something like that around there. And 30 something cars and probably 10 of them went down like most of them permanently like it was it was something like we cannot fix this on the side of the road. It was it was it was pandemonium and only it was only curated in their crew. One crew keeping it up. So I do wonder when I see these images, what's really happened? Like, I know these cars like one of them broke down and so they all parked. All right, let's do a picture right here because this car is now done from the rally. Super car and limited did one where they were all turning left at like an intersection and he was like behind there and you just it was like I just can't imagine being in traffic and seeing that and be like, I am dying. I have reached heaven. Yeah, this is a hallucination or some kind of like acid trip. It's incredible. The pictures coming out of this and they take all these high quality professional foot doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be just a random photo of something like this. It's incredible to see these cars. It's so rare that people are actually using any of these vehicles, let alone all of them together. Yeah, yeah, they really one up our Instagram post from last weekend. Yeah, we post all the big four and they post the big 20. Man, if only I said yes to stuff, we could be on this rally right now. And but it's not just like and it's not a polite no. And then you talk to this on the channel. It's like, hey, would you like to go to this with me? It's gotten so bad. People have now started to DM me saying, Doug is too famous to respond to me. Well, that's not true. Is there a connection to on the flight? Oh, oh, that sounds like an amazing experience. I love the invite. Thank you so much. You're such a great guy. I can't make it. It's like, how dare you ask me? And that's that's that's what it's not. It's also like you'd be like, hey, do you have time for a quick call? He'd be like, I'd rather eat my eyeballs with a fork. Like they're like over the top note. I will tell you this about phone calls. It is hard for me to explain how many times in every single day I get a message from somebody asking me for five minutes for a call. Truly, I would say five five times a day, I get a text. Can you have five minutes for a call? And my experience living this life is that when you get a question like that, it is not a five minute phone call. Yeah. It is a 14 minute phone call. And if you said yes to all of them, you're on the phone two hours every day about this BS or that BS and people I just text me, email me. Let me let me respond on my time. That's my phone call problem. Well, and you call me more than you text me. Yeah. Well, you answer my calls. You answer and you but I already know, OK, it's Doug. I need to do rapid fire answers right now. Can I need to be quick about it? I need to be concise. And then I do. And then you OK. But man, this is it's very so. So so the mealy media thing, you were like, you're like, I'm going to do it. Yes. Mercedes Mercedes. Invite me out. So I said yes to Mercedes. Invited me out at Monterey Car Week, which you had not attended in 20 years or whatever. He says no. It's like, oh, it's so hard. And so they invite me out and they drive a roadster. It's my first time ever driving a 300 SL anything. And at the end of it, it's like a religious experience for me. And I'm tearing up like there's tears going on. And this guy thankfully doesn't think I'm a total nut. He's like, I'm going to get you another shot at driving one of these. And it was the mealy media. So that was yeah. With Carl, the Austrian in the passenger seat. Yeah. Can I tell you the real reason I say no, since you're calling me out on it since we're here on the pod. I've got more no stories to add here, too. Couple of years ago, I received some cash. And at the same time, I had a kid and then I had another kid. And I really, really, really only like to be with my community and my family. And so I get invited to go on this. You have children. Yeah. I have children. I would never. Do a rally, for example, it's just I would just rather be with my family. I know I know it's unusual, especially for dads. I have come to realize a lot of dads actually enjoy kind of getting away. I do not. I feel the exact opposite. I really, really miss my kids, too. I definitely tugs, but you do still want to experience life. Well, I feel like I've done a lot of life experiences. Like I did a lot of stuff. And now the next stage of life I'm experiencing, which I am. I am more excited about fatherhood than I ever expected that I would be. The milestones and things that it is very fun. And like if it were up to me, I wouldn't. I don't think I'd be working at all, truthfully. And there are a few reasons why I still do it. But but I really, truly, truly love being there. And I do say no to all. You know, I used to say yes to every press trip and I would be gone all the time. This is before I had kids and it was fine. It was life. But I just don't have to anymore. But I did I did trick or treating with the kids. And then up at six a.m. To make it Las Vegas to see the most booty Bugatti Veyrons in one spot ever at the Wynn Concourt, because that's never going to happen. It was cool. And the pictures were cool and it seemed neat. AI is incredible. They can teach you how to fry an egg and even write a poem pirate style. But it knows nothing about your work. Slackbot is different. It doesn't just know the facts. It knows your schedule. It can turn a brainstorm into a brief and it doesn't need to be taught because Slackbot isn't just another AI. It's AI that knows your work as well as you do. Visit slack.com forward slash meet Slackbot to learn more. And the reality is there's there's in between of I say no to everything and I say yes to the day select the day of that thing. I went to a pumpkin patch with my children. We did a lot of games. We've learned to throw darts for the first time, preferable to the Bugatti's. I want darts for the kids. That's your magnetic. OK, all right. I I'm not I'm not casting shade like you do what you want. I'm sure you have a great balance and it works. But like for me personally, I killed myself for 10 years for this job. I traveled all over the country, all over the world, shooting these videos, trying to be number one, the very first. And I was and I still am for years and years and years, the first, the best, the most views and operating that level for that long is hard. And eventually when you don't have to do that anymore and you're able to slow down a little bit, I just realized like what I actually love is the time with my family and with my community. OK, well, let's let's do a little role play that I'm John Tamarian. OK, John, all right, John, hey, John, hey, Doug, how are you doing? Oh, yeah, hey, Dave. Oh, wait, wait, first I'm texting. Do you have five minutes for no, sorry, John. So then you've lost that opportunity. So then OK, but then he actually gets through the call. I wouldn't have said no. John will DM me and say, can you put me in touch? I will tell you this, I joke about how I want to be on this rally. I would never do this. So he called him say, would you like to come? No. Maybe. And here's my thinking also. This is another thing I've learned about the children. Ten years from now, the children are not going to want to be around me as much and I can be as excited. OK. And so at that time, I probably will start doing something like this. And I've already fought to myself. I got invited with Audi to go on a crazy press trip to Germany where they had a brand new concept car that I was going to be able to drive. It seems so cool. And I turned them down that that week. I we had a couple of kid events and I just didn't do it. I every day, every month I volunteer at my kid's school. I teach an art class at my kids elementary school. And I get it. I'm cramming a lot a couple of days. But yeah, one day when the kids don't care as much. Yeah, I would say yes to this kind of stuff. But having lived through the time when I traveled everywhere around the world, for personal reasons, and I did a ton of hardcore work and it was a lot. And now I've transitioned to this space. I I I want to really live this this part of the world. My life. Noble, but you were still the same way with the nose before. Oh, my God, I wish I was. I said yes to everything. I had to do everything. I mean, I flew across the country. You were three. You were doing. Yes, you were doing that for work. But as far as like the YouTubers didn't have access to events and things like this back then, like like five years ago. Asking to get into a coil as a YouTuber like what? You know, like so it's a little different. I don't like like personal trips, I will say. Yeah, free personal trips are like not a thing for me. You were like shocked. I didn't take up my car left for free at my house. Oh, right. Right. I just don't I don't want to do the whole quid. But I don't want to. They don't care. They just want to picture occasionally with the bin pack showing like I'd rather pay anything for me. Think you've got to drop big money or spend hours in the kitchen to make great food at home. Think again, every plate brings restaurant level meals straight to your door every week. And we're talking dishes like crispy buffalo ranch chicken and cheesy Mexican street corn hash. These things taste way too good for what they cost. And you'll spend less money on these flavor packed homemade meals than you would on groceries or take up. And every recipe is ready in 30 minutes or less. It's the easiest way to upgrade dinner without over thinking it. I use every plate and I'm honestly hooked. 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I hate you. He sent it to me. I paid shipping only and a new battery. I have a P 38. It's on my YouTube channel. If you're watching this now, why are you doing power? The head gas. We're going to it runs and drives does leak a little. It doesn't have a glove box for some reason. How are the head gas gets it's good? It's good. OK. It's it's actually on a mechanic now just to confirm it's good. But which it's got new BFGs on it. Why did you do this? I I love the P 38. I missed it. It just felt like like I lost like a finger. You know, the rest of them are going to kill you. It's not just me. The rest of them. I know. That's why I kept it a secret until now. And I wanted to get a reaction from you all of how mad you are that I got another one. It upsets me for the following reason. We had the P 38. We moved on from the. You moved from from the P 30. I stayed. You sold it. You were done. I wasn't done. I sold it. Does the Arnage did the Arnage teach you nothing? Not to get another Arnage, but did it not teach you that you don't want to take up space in your life, in your garage with a car that doesn't run? I'm going to it's it's I feel like I've learned enough about the P 38 that I kind of know how to do this now. I can finesse it. I can whisper to it. It's going to leak a little. I'm going to lift it, get the bull guards. We're going to go off roading. It's going to be so much fun. See, I already got the bull guards. So yeah, I know. You ever have. 200 bucks. Have I done what? Have you ever had one of these? He just bought one. I just bought one for thirty two hundred bucks at Barrett Jackson. It was the cheapest car to sell at Barrett Jackson. Yeah. And it was it was nice. What year? It's 2000. What year is this? We're going to do it at Bolion did a Mercia Lagos and hype P 38 until they're unobtainable. No, you could never. People don't people. Absolutely. Well, clearly they're free. Literally free. There is not a land Rover shop in this country that doesn't have six of them sitting in the back in various states of. When I pulled into the new mechanic, it was literally parked next to a parts car for thirty years. This is an on air ride, is it? No, it's been coil spring converted. It's a 98, but it has some of the facelift bits. That's what I was surprised when I said in the video, nobody's still riding on the air ride with these and then people are coming to the comments. My ride still works. No, the. That's the. The. Yes, you're super. And I never really understood the benefit of the either because it if you ever driven them back to back, it doesn't ride much better. I thought it ride better because it kind of it doesn't. It doesn't. The main benefit is that you can lift it. You can get it taller, which I actually did use in my six a lot. Like when I was going on the beach, I would lift it up because sometimes stuff would get caught underneath. Um, but that's not that enough of a benefit to deal with the hassle. Yeah, I can't believe I'm so happy. It's it's bringing me immense joy and pleasure. I say yes. I say I'd come out. Is it the later day or two Friday? The Friday. Why you got it? I guess I'll I'll I'll the embargoes are getting lifted. I mean, I'll do a little spoiler. All right. It says I found a Mint's California one owner 99 Cadillac Escalade. Nice. First 10. First. Oh, gee. First year. First year. How long? And it has the bars on it. Four wheel drive. Four wheel drive. Wow. Black. How many miles? 90,000 one owner. OE wheels. Not OE wheels, but I can find them really easy. Yeah. How many Escalades have you had now? A bunch. But now, but I'm so excited to have the 99 Escalade and the 2000 range Rover, both in this one aftermarket cattle guards on it. Oh, you could make your eyes music video. Yeah. I'm so excited to have those two just like in the wintertime, just like, which one do I get in today? Obviously, the Chevy is going to start more often. Yeah. The Cadillac, but yeah, I'm the Range Rover will start it will just beep at you a lot for no reason. It sounds like a plane is about to crash the bongs and bings. The yeah. And like the ABS like coming on as a standard value until you start driving. It's like, why? You're warning me about things that you don't even need to warn me about. Welcome back. Yeah. That we had an escalator shop. I did a video on a first-hand slide and it isn't luxurious anymore. You know, by today's standards, you drive around feels like a Tahoe, but I still think it looks good. It still drives fine at the motors, plenty potent. And yeah, it starts every time. I mean, it's just like that that that five seven. And the size of it, too. I know that the SUVs are wider because it's safer now, but that that size just works, too. And that being a truck frame, that trucky feel at that size, because now like a what's what's the equinox is the same size as a Tahoe was 20 years ago. But it's a unibody. It feels different. It feels like a car. That's right. It's just perfect. Yeah. Mm hmm. Wow. There you go. You're all we're all getting big old SUVs. Yeah. We're saying yes. I got a simple you're getting a Jeep. I wouldn't. I wouldn't rule it out. I just know the G wagon isn't going to last me forever. And I think the 392 Wrangler is the coolest, reliable, fun SUV you can get. You could probably dig up and evoke in his yard. I don't think that's any more reliable than the. Actually, didn't he sell it on the site? I did. Yeah, I believe you did this. You you are going to regret it. My favorite part of this is so the guy that contact me and I thought it was a scam forever. And then he was like, oh, can you send me $200 for a new battery? I'm like, OK, finally, that's the catch. He had commented on my last P 38 auction and said, I admire how well aligned your glove box was. And I thought that was such a weird comment. And then I realized three years later, his glove box is still not even hanging on from the dashboard. So yeah, I had someone offer me a W 12 Volkswagen Peyton for free. They'll just send it to me. But the opening email and I won't say exactly what it was, but they were they were a porn star and they want to give me a Peyton adult entertainer. Did you do it? I my friend Jake, I said, hey, you want this Peyton and he. Took it. But it was like wanting to collaborate. And I was like, I only want to know what what they're thinking. Oh, I would want to collaborate. There's some you have some fans in certain communities who would like to know what they're thinking. Daddy. OK. I want to talk about the Bentley and then we got to move on to Markerport. We have questions are great this week and we don't have a lot of time for them. Markerport's going to be super quick. Can we quickly discuss the Bentley and what's going on there? Did it? That's the end of the slideshow. The Bentley is photographed. It is going live. Next week, Thursday. However, I want your advice here in the top cars as a market expert. If it goes live Thursday, the auction will end the following Friday, which is Black Friday, and America is one of the biggest shopping holidays. One, is that a bad idea? Nick, get the car sold. OK. But is Black Friday a good day to sell a car? Here's what's happened. Do I need to offer free shipping? Repeatedly over the last six months, he's been trying to sell it and every time he gets close, another warning light comes on, another problem pops up, another issue comes on. Done that. I wouldn't quibble over the date. I would get the car live as quickly as possible and try to conceal as many of the obvious flaws. We're being super honest. It needs to go to the right type of person that I feel like Black Friday people still have money in their bank. As you get closer to Christmas, it's getting like drain. OK, I need to wait till after Christmas before I recover. So I think you're safe. When is it going to be early Black Friday, like door buster time? I think you're still safe. I got a big vid go on live on Black Friday, too, which I think is going to bring people to the site. Either way, you need to get it gone. You're losing a norm. It is parked behind your head and it is not moving until the shipper comes. And it may not even move then. No, that's the thing. I mean, do you I guess I guess you've gone through it enough. But like I feel bad selling a car that I know is not going to be good for someone down the road. This car is as nice as it could have been. He bought a crappy one on Bring a Trailer that was so crappy, they refunded him his fee. Bring the trailer. I'm sorry. Bring the trailer. Bring the trailer. Yeah. And and and it was and it was really poorly represented incorrectly represented. So he bought it and he knew it was kind of a crappy one. It turned out really bad. He brought it in the office the first day in the office. Coolant smell was like it was like someone had poured coolant on my nose. And he's over here like, I don't smell anything. I don't. It's true. But he's gotten it a lot better, but it's still an Arnaj tea and a kind of a project. I feel like with cars like that, I sort of want to like curate the buyer. Yeah. It's like I need to pre qualify them to like, OK, can you handle this where you put it on auction? Something you don't know who you're getting. And you know, so. No, the Mercio Lago owner is a great guy, but he's incredibly fastidious. Notebooks and everything. And I've gotten a lot of post sale questions, not not complaints. Like he's being very kind about it, but like probably five times a day. It's like a how long did the bat wings go up at precisely what temperature? And you're like, OK, I want to make sure that type of person does not buy the Arnaj because I would ideally never like to hear from. Well, and like one of Doug's legendary stories is when you were selling your 360 and the people that were wasn't there a lawyer that was trying to litigate it with you and I as far as like the price and. How horrible it was to sell a Ferrari. And I always hate that kind of thing. And I'm always trying to get out and I'll tell you, my Land Cruiser is the worst car sale experience I've ever had, but we don't have to discuss that here on the pod instead. That's where cars and business is so much easier. I guess it is easier, although I sold out on cars and bids. But anyway, the rest of my cars and bid sales, by the way, have been incredibly smooth and easy. And part of the benefit of cars and bids is you really can do a lot of real disclosure and kind of point back to the listing when they come at you later. Yo, this was here. It's honestly my favorite part. I'm shell, whatever bias cars and bids having the just bullet point known flaws. I know it's so that is buried on other auction sites, or at least not as clear. Like it's kind of then like you couldn't have overlooked this or misread it. It is bullet points impossible to miss. Yeah, it's with a bold H2 heading tag saying known flaws. Yeah, it's good for sellers and buyers. I mean, yeah, I didn't tell you the doors in the SLR don't all the way. Yeah, you did tell me about the rear view mirror. And I think well, I didn't think about it because it was a summertime. So the doors are much better when it's super hot outside. We're going over SLR. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. OK, we needed you market report. And then we got to move on to questions. A lot of the questions, believe it or not, for some reason apply to you. Just even though we didn't say you were on the pod, a lot of them do. So not the questions you kind of like to ask market report. I want to talk about who's it brought by. Can you go to the market report is brought to you by who is garage? It's the greatest automotive channel on YouTube. He's got a farm now. There's a silo, a grain silo. And in that silo, he keeps his grain there, folks. This is the kind of channel you want to support on the YouTube. Thanks for repping the merge there, the blouse. That's the silo right there. That's right. Holy crap. This is all the way from Butler County, folks. We're not even in Sedgwick County anymore. Are you doxxing, Tyler? Oh, was that not public? I thought it was fine. It's fine. I thought it was new or this. We had the plates on all the cars. Yes, it's fine. All right, pull up the Evo and then we got to go on to questions. How do I pull up the Evo? You take going to there and you type in Evo. Evo. All right. Now hit enter. Now go down to it. You see the sale? No, we sold last. Wow, that's money. Oh, six. Now, this is the best Evo. What did you sell yours for? I gave it away and buried it. Sweepstakes thing. This is the best Evo. OK, the nine was the last of the old school Evo's before the 10 came and kind of screwed things up, which I actually like the 10. But the nine is really cool. The MR was the high performance one. Super rare. Not many people got it because it had a lot of stripped out stuff that made the experience worse. And then it's an 8800 mile car. None are left at 800 miles. One owner, none are left one owner. However, a seventy five thousand dollar Evo sale astonished me. I was really, really, really surprised. I obviously really nice ones are desirable and valuable. I did not realize they were reaching this levels of desirability and value. It's pretty cool. My favorite quirk. That is a that Momo steering wheel also in a Lamborghini. That's right. I see. And I thought the eights could do this, but not the nines. So then I think the community feels that the eights and the nine still had that kind of cool old school Evo thing to them. OK. And I feel that way too, as a guy who really loves Evo's and still wants a six. Um, amazing result, though. But you got to figure this is one of those find another cars. Like you're never going to find another one owner MR with no miles. It's just not going to happen. I was watching too fast, too furious on the flight. It was on American going up. That movie holds up with that Evo and then the eclipse. The eclipse is a joke, but the Evo. I had seen three and up in years, but one and two are great. They hold up to this day. Yeah, great content. Your pockets aren't. I love that. I'm glad you were watching it. It might be my favorite movie. Imagine thinking about on the plane, like I'm smiling the whole time. I'm laughing at all the jazz. More than one, I think more than one. I think just because I like the muscle cars and stuff in it and like that. Yeah, it's more diverse as far as because there's a little more JDME in the first one and I'm, you know, but it has everything in this. Yeah, that's true. That's so it's not the one to where Paul says, cause boxing empty, don't worry about it, cause yeah, whatever. And that's at the end. Yes. And it's in Florida. Number one is number one. Number one is number one. Yeah. There's just too many danger to manifold. There's too many things. The whole movie is. When they have the gun where it like electrically fries the car when they shoot it. Oh, I forgot about that. So the evil is like second out the Evo like trying to get the thing off and throws it off and he's like trying to electrocute himself. And yeah, it's great. It's it's it's the best race for us. Yeah. Yeah. One is so good. It's just like life changing more than you can afford. Do you know that the entire Fast and the Furious franchise was based on an article that was written about a guy who like embedded himself in like the nighttime tuner community doing that kind of thing. He wrote an article for New Yorker and they based the movie on that. And years later, he admitted the article was fake and he did actually do any of the stuff. Wow. I didn't know that. Crazy. Yeah. Good stuff. Anyway, even on. You interested now? I did it. I believe you go to town, but it was fun. That was 35 car was new, right? If yeah, yeah, yeah. For an M.R. Mm hmm. OK, we got to move on to the questions. Questions are brought to you by April's Channel. April's Garage. April's Garage. Yes. This is a great automotive YouTube channel. I very much enjoy April's Garage is collaborating with her. What does April think about the Gullwing? She is very supportive of the Gullwing. Yes. Does she want an NSXT? Her dream car is the VUIC GNX Ultimate Dream Car. Now, does she already have one? She's the El Camino one. Oh, oh, yes, yes. But not the GNX. She wants a GNX. Real or real boy. Mm hmm. Hard to blame her. That's a cool car. Yeah. I love those things. I love Grand Nationalists too. OK, first question. I want to get this out of the way from JT921. Doug, the owner of Beyondee Lincoln is building a Lincoln Bronco G-Wagon. Wants to get in touch with you. Everybody on the Internet has reached out about this. I understand that this is happening. I. This is where you could be polite. I. Are you going to say no? It's not related to me other than he's doing it or he wants to tell me. But but I want Lincoln to do it. Like my whole point in that rant that I did a couple of months ago was I want Lincoln to do this OE. It's cool that people are doing it. I'm sure this won't be the only one. I want Lincoln to go out there and make a G-Wagon. Like Abraham himself. You're not going to give you're not going to give him crap for that. You're going to let that go. These dad jokes. We're all dads here. All right. Next question. Now that we've done that, I agree. OE it's OE or it's a mod. Like I think the mods are cool and I'm hoping he does it and does it really well. And I think that's awesome. But I want my point was not that it could be done. Of course it could be done. I want Lincoln. I think Lincoln should do it. You know what I'm surprised by on your site? The shocking number of charger convertible conversions that look. Oh, yeah, challenger. I knew I was going to this day. I think one of my to me, one of the great mysteries of the entire car industry is that they never did a convertible challenger. Has this ever hit you? Like, yeah, why don't they do that? People are doing it in mass and they look nice. The Camaro and Mustang both came in convertibles and was a pretty good chunk of sales. They sold the challenger for 17 years. It's not like they couldn't have made the money back on what doing a convertible. And also Christ there was famous for they had the sea bring. I mean, yeah, I was just going to say the sea bring the salara. Like there's been way cars turned into convertibles. It's not even about the quality. It's just like I never understood why they didn't do that. It never made sense to me why they didn't do that. You ever you had a convertible challenger, didn't you? No, no, I have the challenger. Hemmy right now, the the hell cat. Do you wish it was a convertible? No, I actually don't. You do. I enjoy it. It never made sense. The next time I'm going to Christ the event, I'm going to just straight up ask. But I think the polite way to say it, like that's a really cool idea. It is. I would love to review it. The traveling is very hard, but I appreciate it. And if you would like to sell it, no result on cars bids. I would love to do the video. Ship it to the polite way. Ship it here and we'll sell it. No reserve. You think the flight way to do is like to a plug, like to sell them on it. Well, no, like I would love if they want to bring it here and sell it in the cars bids, please. Take the guy and do a little little little 90 degree. This is a little bit of polite salesman kind of things like, hey, the first one. Yeah, this is the CarMax background talking. CarMax got Oovy. They taught him how to sell, sell, sell, sell. He's been doing it ever since. 200 bucks at a time. He sold you that SLR. Well, Abraham, if you're listening, I'll review it on Nick Rashawn, the second best Hooptie channel on YouTube. All right. Next question from Reed MSS. Hey, Doug and friends, do you get involved in the car shopping process for your spouses or do you let them pick the cars they like, even if you might not? I'm curious what your answer is. So funny enough, our live now on the cars and bids. I'll plug your business here. Oh, yeah, we picked cars for our significant others. And my wife said, I watched your video. Horrible choices. I completely disagree with everything. In fact, I would not be caught dead in the first choice you had for me. So I don't know. My wife, she picks cars based on feel, based on vibes more than anything. Yeah. And it's very hard to predict how someone's going to feel about. But the vehicle she's driving is one that you purchased with that with limited with limited income for myself and then like gave it to her basically. But had I involved her, it would have taken longer and like, like, no, she needs to make the decision for her. I'll I'll say like, hey, stay away from that car. It's got a horrible reputation, but like basically just veto power. I'm not going to pick it, but I will just steer her in the right direction. She's also a better negotiator than I am. But I don't understand you're saying this, but the car she is driving is a car that she had no it was foisted on her, though. Like she didn't have a choice. I said, here's a car. But what you're saying is that you allow her the ability to choose and let her do it. But what you what actually happened is that you bought a car and pushed it on her. She's been driving it for years now. Yeah. Now she's like emotionally attached to it. What about you? You just buy cars in April drives them, right? It's pretty much. I mean, yeah. And she's such a big she's got great taste in cars. So you can trust her. It's easy. She's still driving that town car you guys bought on the site. The yes. The Silver Rouge A metallic that gets out every once while. She she's in the right now because it's a little cold. She's in the con LGT because the heated seats work. I tried to put her in the Panamera 4S, but it had a little hiccup. But look at all cars. It on 71 cars. 71 cars. You've been on a car last week. You've been on this lady for six grand. Yeah. He needs more escalates on every single one pretty much. I mean, it was never self-resist. What is it? You've been on a C class wagon. It was a six-speed manual. Super base one. I bid once. No, that was the only one we got. OK, I want to do the next question here. Oh, there's the winner here. The one you bought that on the site from. Oh, from David. I didn't know that. A lot of this is free. That would have been so bad. Yeah. You ever have one? No. Oh, it's super. Mark IV? No, no. It's pretty bad. Yeah, Mark IV awesome. But these are a lot of these are just just fancy bits. Was this the car you did to the manual swap? I was supposed to and then it didn't work. It was too nice. Yeah. Yeah. OK, here's a great question that is very relevant to you. It's about AM General. From Hercopodamus. Guys, while you debate about whether to important OVENT team, you're missing the American made equivalent you can buy right now, the VPGMV1. You know this car? Yeah. Well, the face you could give that they could give the multiple run for the money. What are you waiting for by a VPGMV1 seller and person bits? Have you ever thought about getting an MV1? Not for a moment. No. But it's isn't it up your alley? I mean, I would cancel my Uber so quick. If that's what it was. Right. For those of you who don't know. This is why Kenan only rides an Uber Black is because there's a threat that this could pick him up otherwise. So true. You know about you know what this is? Do you know what this is? And this is a mobility car that the goal was to create a car that was handicapped, disabled, accessible. And so they did. It's a VPG stands for vehicle purpose group or something like that. An MV1 was the vehicle. And I don't think it exists anymore, but it was like a wheelchair friendly mobility vehicle. And they're around. You see them. Taxis have them sometimes. You see them in New York as taxi cabs. A lot of medical transport. Yeah. It looks like a failed bid for a government RP. So that makes sense. It exactly that. And to that end, they were built at the AM General Facility in Indiana, which is of course where your favorite vehicle, the Hummer, came from. You've you've never. You've never thought about buying one of these. No, no, not for a moment. What I what engine is it? That's why it's probably a four cylinder like the Ego tech. No, no, it's like a bad AI hallucination. Big old V8 under the hood. Sure. It's rear wheel drive. It's rear wheel drive with a 4.6 liter Ford modular V8. Dude, you could termicobre swap this thing. Could you imagine? What? There's the taxi one right there. That's that's interesting. So yeah, it's old school taxi cabs back. Yeah. So you saw some of them in New York's taxis. It is interesting. Yeah, you do. Even to this day, it is interesting. You're over here talking about how you want Panther platform. Yes, that's the closest thing. The AM General Facility rear wheel drive, 4.6 liter Ford V8. That's probably closer like a checker marathon. Yeah, Panther platform is versatile. You know, yeah, it looks like a checker marathon to it is rear wheel drive. It this is it. This is a way sixty six hundred. So it's a little portly, but you could do some weight reduction. The wheelchair ramp, you could pop out. That is an obscure car question, I suppose. I'll take the Oventine personally. OK. This is another great question that I'm glad you're here for. Do you know from 63 Splitty, I just watched your newest video and I'm excited for the Celesteek review, which is actually called Celestic. They don't call it Celesteek. No, do you think we could get a little sneak peek of your thoughts? I will give my thoughts, but I'm curious what you think. You're a GM guy. This is a very unusual product. You must be have some thoughts on it. I'm OK with it. Yeah, I think it's I mean, if you're going to have a Rolls Royce Spectre for what how much are those? Yeah, the same amount of money and Cadillac and have a halo car that's electric. And, you know, if there's enough hip hop artists that want to buy it and things, it kind of makes sense if like have a halo car, I guess. Yeah, I'm OK with it. OK with it. Do you think it's a to it was the right direction as a halo? Do you think it's cool? Like, are you interested in? No, no, they I guess because they do the I mean, the electric escalate is pretty much it. They could have just made a like a super duper version of the electric escalate and it would have like a mybok escalate. Yeah, I think that probably would have hit a little better. Yeah, yeah, I think that that's a good point that I hadn't considered. I am surprised given that Cadillac was a pioneer in the luxury SUV space and has been so successful with luxury SUVs, that the decision to make a flagship car ends up with a sedan and not even really a sedan. It's like it's like kind of a hatchback, which is cool to me. But I don't know that design will appeal to everybody. My personal thought, I drove it and I'll put the video will come out. And you want to watch the video because there's a ton of crazy quirks and features to this car. But in terms of my thought on the market position, the driving experience, it was amazing to drive. It drives like a Rolls Royce. It really truly does. It is incredibly soft, incredibly comfortable. The base sticker price is four hundred thousand dollars. And I have trouble believing that Cadillac as a brand realistically can play in that set. I mean, Rolls has trouble selling new cars. And it's hard to imagine that Cadillac gets are especially with an EV, which I think is even a little bit of a hard stuff. And I feel like it's hard to like give it to the right movies here in Florida, because there's not this big product placement moment where you can really do that and like, oh my God, look at this. It like like the the R8 and Iron Man where everybody sees it. So you can't make something cool enough to, I don't know. Or like when it was the Tom Cruise with the BMW, I, you know, that kind of thing. How do you make that cool as an interesting thing? How do you get that in front of people and convince them this is something that you should want? I think most people don't even really know about it. And it's kind of difficult to. Right. If your cat liked to have that mouth. And it's kind of close to the lyric as far as the it's a stretch. I mean, it's not it's not that dramatically different enough where like the R8 was wow. And the especially because a lot of EVs have kind of a striking design. And so it's not like you look at it and instantly realize that it's a four hundred thousand dollar car. But I regret the lyric selling it. Well, because it was the only electric car that I've owned and I've owned many at this point just because for the YouTube channel is the only one that felt like, OK, this feels like a nice. You replaced the Cybertruck with that, right? No, Cybertruck. Yeah, Cybertruck went to Lyric. Lyric went to Silverado EV. Silverado EV is the work truck, but the big battery. So I still have it. It's 450 miles of range. I never I never plug it in. Yeah, honestly, Silverado EV is going to fail. It's going to be a huge failure, obviously. However, there's the work truck with the big battery is this like unspoken, incredible thing. It has the most range of EV. So I got it for 37 grand, right? 80 grand sticker. So for 37 grand, you get 450 miles of electric range. Yeah. That that can do anything. I mean, it was a grand car. New it is to have heated seats as vinyl floors. It's that's the thing. It's just heated seats. But he doesn't know our car anyway. You know, it's crazy. They sent me they sent me a work truck as a press car. I remember I was like, this is a wild, totally out of value prop. But performance is impressive and the EV range is unbelievable. I haven't driven this Cadillac. You guys are talking about. However, I do assume it's supposed to be a halo car. It's not supposed to be a commercial success. Yeah. I don't know if they want to lose money on it, but they're not. It doesn't need to catch on. It just enough people need to talk about it to think about Cadillac is capable of producing a Rolls Royce level vehicle. So I think mission accomplished just in the sense that you are mentioning them in the same breath as this. I guess I do think it hasn't gotten around enough. I think it suffers from the LFA problem, which is if the halo car becomes too rarified, it is not well enough known to actually serve as a halo car. And I think that the R8 did an amazing job of not being rarefied at all and actually being a really successful halo car because you see him around and it makes you want an Audi. You never see it. You never saw an LFA on the street. Nobody ever did. You never will see a Celestic on the street. You know, maybe one here and there like an LFA, but it's not not enough. And we are talking about them, but we're also like a very in car podcast. A regular person knows what an R8 is. Sure. And won't know. And all of us would rather have a CN. Maybe it's probably the last ones to do it, like a Cullinan, the Urus, the the Mybok GLS. Those are all ones were like the normal public cycle. Whoa, look at that. Like that. I don't think the Celestics can do it. I agree. I agree. Yeah. OK. Two more questions, two more questions, two more questions from Reed 1971. This is for all of us. OK. So Jaguar comes to it senses realizing the rebranding is crap. The horrid stuff they've been putting out there is crap. You've been hired as a think tank to make Jaguar have a hundred percent successful turnaround. What would you do? What would you do? We'd go back in time and invent CarMax. This episode is brought to you by Indeed. Stop waiting around for the perfect candidate. Instead, use Indeed sponsor jobs to find the right people with the right skills fast. It's a simple way to make sure your listing is the first candidate see. According to Indeed data, sponsored jobs have four times more applicants than non sponsored jobs. So go build your dream team today with Indeed. Get a seventy five dollar sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Not Tesla, CarMax. I think about this. It's an interesting thing. Jaguar has one unusual hamstring that no one talks about, which is that they can't do SUVs like everybody else because Land Rover already does that. Yeah. So it's not like they could just show up and start making a full line of luxury SUVs. The Land Rover dealers and Land Rover as a brand would would freak out. And Jaguar is always going to kind of be stuck not doing that. So as long as SUVs are hottest, Jags got to do something else. And sedans are dead. And if you want a British sports car, you get an Aston Martin. They're kind of just a no man's land. There's not a lot of people want one of those. Yeah, right. If anything Aston should buy them and just put them out of business, so they are the British sports car manufacturer. I think what you do, you take the small luxury sedan, you do a version with 600 horsepower and put a giant cat logo on the outside. Yeah, project eight. Remember that? I'm super into that. I stole all of this. That is one of the few cars I do too, but for like 45. Yeah, not 200. I don't think they're 200 anymore. You remember that car? They're deep six pegs. You would you buy one of those big spoiler? It's dumb. No, they're there. You wouldn't get one. They did them with rear seat delete. There's also the sporting like the shooting break ones in 2012. Yeah, the XF. Yeah. What would you do if you're Jack? I would probably partner with like a Japanese manufacturer. Wow. That's like Honda and just create a luxury car with like a Honda underpinnings. And then because they're a reputation for that done. Yeah. But I guess they are already has accurate. I'm trying to think of some way to just like, hey, so it's this, but it's 40 grand. That's interesting. Go to Mazda and say, hey, you don't have three grand, but we have a name. And if you and here's a way to do this on the cheap. Decent styling short of the last concept like Jaguars. I've always been pretty. That's not the superstar I've ever heard, especially because like MG has become a Chinese like they've there's proof that this is actually a positive. You take the Miata and bring back the E type with the Miata. Yeah, you could. I do think in any in any Jaguar, future iteration, a true Halo sports car like the E type is an essential, not like the F type, but more expensive, more rarefied and probably more exciting in order to at least make it cool again. Like something really cool. Well, what if they do? I mean, guys, I guess they did it with with Alpha Fiat or whatever, you know, where was a Miata thing? But what if they stretch the nose a little bit to make it? You couldn't do a four cylinder. I mean, you have to. So you mean you get the Miata platform, but you stretch the nose and they take it a bigger engine in the front, but it's basically a Miata. It is interesting. Like a CX five and seven. It just looks just nice. Yeah. Yeah, it is an interesting point. That's actually not the stupidest thing I ever heard. That's me putting it politely. Yeah, that's you. That's actually truly it's not a bad idea. Because because yeah, the current iteration is done. And I remember when we when they announced the new thing and did that video, did you see the crazy video with all the weird people and was like, oh, they're going woke, they're going to go broke. And on my point was they're already broke. Yeah, they're dead. Yeah, it's it's going to hurt them any more than they're hurt. This is this is like the flailing death, you know, but the name is still valuable. And so to your point, you could take the name and put it to something kind of appealing that maybe isn't as costly to launch that already has a dealer network. OK, final question, final question, final question, final question. Oh, this is a good one. Actually, I'm glad we have this one from financial crisis. That's another reason why it's good for you. She don't want financial advice from me. Doug, I bought a 2001 box dress after seeing your original nine eight six video you did a few years ago. I just reviewed a nine eight six a couple of weeks ago. I love that car so much, especially for the money. How often do you have people approach you that have bought a car because of review you did and do they tend to agree with your assessment of the car? It happens to me every at least a couple of times a week. Someone will come to me and say, I bought my car in part because of you or entirely because of you and your video, whatever, which is so ironic to me because for years I had to fight the automakers on getting me cars. And people are making purchases on YouTube all day long. They understand that now, obviously. What do people do this for? You don't review cars the same level. Well, because I buy them. Yeah, I bought some of my. But you're still good. Model is terrible because I have to actually buy the cars unlike you. But you're still giving a lot of opinions and information. Yes. And I usually say, I bought this because of you. I am so sorry. But the most part is that's my standard answer. I'm so sorry that you bought that. But it's yeah, it's a thing. But people do say it. We are influencers. We influence. We're influencers. We are influencers. Yes. You've influenced me to say yes. To try or to just say no politely, not like, oh, God. Do you know my do you know my rule about where I'll travel? Yeah, well, you can't have a connection, right? Well, that's definitely true. Yeah, that I won't go north of the Hyundai building on the 405. There's a Hyundai has this headquarters off the 405 about, I don't know, an hour and a half from here. And if it's north of there, I can't do it. Bummer. No, you probably got a rule like that. You won't go to Oklahoma City. I mean, no, I'll go anywhere. Yeah, he will barely come to my house. It's under it's under much objection and duress. When I was sitting, yeah, when I was sending you the title and it was insinuously, it was right. Yeah. And I thought I immediately thought, oh, no, because I just knew that Doug probably just just killed you for living. I immediately knew, like, I just felt like the abuse that you're taking to I think it's the best best part of San Diego. One could possibly love it. Miss you question. Would you go to Tulsa or Oklahoma City more like more likely? Tulsa. When cars sell with Native American license plates from Oklahoma, who titles those? Oh, yeah, I don't know on that one. You ever go to Joplin? I had. Yes, I go through Joplin quite a bit. Would you rather go to Oklahoma City or Kansas City? Kansas City. Really? Isn't it further? No, they're same. They're exact same distance. But Oklahoma City has the basketball team. Kansas City has the Royals and the Chiefs and it's much more of a culture. What if it's some Missouri city? Well, they're all they're all together. They're state line road where neighbors live across the street. Kansas side of Kansas City and Missouri side of Kansas City are like bloods and crepes. Not particularly. If you're on the border, you might get shot. Not really. No. That is not the situation. I've been there once. I was in Leewood, which was, you know, it's like kind of a rough area. Lee Hood, we call it. Right. Lee Hood. And I was just wondering, do not go near the border. This is all we know about Kansas, dude. This is what we know about Kansas. We've been through Garden City. I've done I-70 the whole way across. Give me a Kansas fact that is interesting. We'll end the pot on it. Give us a Kansas fact. Yeah. That's a good ending. Yeah. There's nothing. That's not true. Okay. Didn't Wichita talk to you? Okay. When the Arkansas River comes to Kansas, it is called the Arkansas River. Oh. And if you call it the Arkansas River in Kansas, you will be shanked. Oh, shanked. Wow. Damn. Oh, there we go. Rock, chalk, Jayhawk. Oh, nice. That's what they say. That is what they say. Yeah. I was a shocker. I was on the Missouri border. I was a angry husk of wheat. That's my college. Which is Wichita State, right? Wichita State. And then there's also Kansas State, which has this sort of hard to understand wild cat logo. I've never really gotten how it looks. I mean, like half the schools in America have a wild cat logo, including my old one. This one is weird though. This one is weird. You agree it's weird? It is, yeah. Yeah. That's what we'll end on. The wild cat logo is weird. Hoovie, thank you for joining us. It's been a pleasure. We get the 300 I sell in the office. What an honor. Thank you. I mean, that once a year is perfect. That's not very polite. I'm sorry. Goodbye, everyone. Bye.