268: On Meryl and Anna, The Drama, The AJLT Auction

I spent $40,000 on shoes. What's the matter, Morty? World, this thing. Crunch my arm a little bit. World, this thing. Great gowns. Beautiful gowns. Fashion has changed. World, this thing. No, it hasn't. Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni, and I'm Chelsea Fairless, and welcome back to another episode of the Every Outfit podcast. You know, it would be just our luck that the Julian's auction reveal of the end just like that auction items dropped truly an hour after we recorded last week. So rude. But you know what? I was happy for the time because there are hundreds of lots, and I feel like it was only this morning that I was able to grasp just the breadth of the items for sale. Oh, I still can't grasp the breadth of the items for sale. And truly, Julian's, this exceeded my expectations. I did not think that y'all would do quite this much, but you really came through. Well, I may embarrass myself with this admission, but I don't think I understand how auctions work, because the items are live and you can bid on them, but the auction doesn't start for another 21 days. It's literally no different than eBay, except for they have a live auction at the end. But for me, that's when I would take part. Like why bid on an item today to see where you stand, to see if someone outbids you? Well, okay, we'll get into it because my favorite way to view these items is to sort it by highest bid to lowest bid, but this morning I went through and looked at it starting from lowest bid, which means no one has bid on these items. I mean, it says everyone has a bid of $25, but let's be honest. Okay, but what was the highest bid? So the highest bid stuff, at least as of this morning, makes sense. They are things that you would actually just wear in your real life. So right now the highest bid item is Anthony Marantino's Louis Vuitton bag, followed by Mr. Big's Rolex, that I believe Kerry gives him at the end of Sex and the City 2? It's not at the end, didn't he have that at Stanford and Anthony's wedding? Perhaps. I forget when he receives this Rolex. Look, that has a current bid of $2,500. The estimate was $800 to $1,000, and again, it has 24 bids, and we are 21 days away from the actual live auction. But if you were to win this Rolex, you will have to live with a Rolex that on the back of it, it has engraved me and you, just us two. So you're right, I can't remember if Kerry gives that to Big at the end of the first film or the second film. Okay, I was wrong, it would have to be after the wedding. Because remember, that's what the random straight couple said to them? Correct, yes, they idolized them. Sorry, it's been a minute since I've seen Sex and the City 2. I mean, really, don't we just stomp after Liza Minnelli appears if we're gonna watch Sex and the City 2? So I feel like this sale should really just be called the end just like that art department put more thought and care into the most minute details of end just like that than you could have ever imagined snarky fucking podcasters. I know, they really did an incredible job. I almost, almost feel bad for my end just like that commentary because when you start to look through these lots, the amount of thought that was put into shit, we never see. Like there's a lot called miscellaneous Steve Brady items which includes Scout to Go bags. Did we ever see a Scout to Go bag? I don't know, but it looks great. At the very least, I know we never saw the items inside of Lily's handbag, which is a lot that is also for sale. I love the extremely esoteric items in this sale. Like I was scrolling through and I saw an ensemble war by a character named Carrie Moore and I sent it to you immediately. I was like, who the fuck is Carrie Moore? And then I had to Google it and I sent Chelsea back a screenshot. It turns out that that was the character that Rachel Dratch played who was Carrie's failed screenwriting partner from the 90s. Right, who we met in the Widowcon episode. I would say that to me, my favorite esoteric item is the shelves that lined Carrie's closet, her old apartment closet. I should also say that this auction might as well be called everything that Sarah Jessica Parker declined to keep because there's no Carrie Bradshaw clothing featured in this auction. No. There are, however, Carrie Bradshaw's acrylic stiletto bookends. I did see those. And not one, not two, not three, not four, but five prop copies of Carrie's Widow memoir, loved and lost. See, I think that will be the most sought after item apart from the stuff that is valuable to begin with, like the Rolex. But there's five copies of it. Last I checked, the cheapest one was $350 and the most expensive one was $900. So I imagine that they'll probably all go for upwards of $1,000. I guess so. You asked which one we should bid on and I was like the cheapest one, of course, but there is also Carrie's manuscript for loved and lost. There's also Duncan's manuscript. Did you see that? Multiple manuscripts. Duncan's manuscript and Duncan's fake Winston Churchill biography. I'm like, who the fuck is buying that? Whoever you are, I love you. Okay. This morning I went through the auction from lowest to highest bid and I did find even more esoteric items that we've never had a conversation about. I think you're unaware are available to purchase. One of which is this is lot 228. Carrie Bradshaw's chocolate and popcorn boxes, eight empty chocolate and popcorn boxes used by Carrie Bradshaw from the production of the series and just like that. Did we ever see this? I don't remember that. Another thing from Carrie's Grammarcy apartment that you can purchase that right now only has one bid, Chelsea, is Carrie's Grammarcy apartment built in hamper. Do you remember what Carrie's hamper looks like? No, but I see it here. I think the more puzzling thing is it doesn't seem like something you could particularly install in your home. You could install her sink though. I love how they're just selling her sink from her kitchen. I will say, because we should move on to other cursed items from this sale, but I'm going to send you the link to this because honestly, my jaw was on the floor when I saw it. What's available for purchase are Joy's stand-in stuffed animal dogs with leashes and collars. Joy being Miranda's girlfriend from season three who had those little Italian greyhounds, which I guess they couldn't have on set all the time, so they just got stuffed animal versions to act as stand-ins when they weren't on screen. Where was Richard Burton stand-in? You're like, that I would buy. I would buy Richard Burton's bed and his poo bag holder, which looks like Burberry. That does make sense. You know who this sale is for? I mean, other than Sex of the City and just like that freaks like ourselves. It is for anyone who looked at LTW's closet and her costumes and were like, I would love to own some of that, because I'm pretty sure all of LTW's wardrobe is available for purchase. Okay, not all of it, but there are some really good pieces. There's a really great faux fur Bottega Venetic cape that's like teal fake fur that looks like it's just made out of tails. I don't remember her wearing that at all, but I think it's one of the best pieces in the sale. There's also a really good poochie dress that she wore that I saw. I think the category of items in this auction that took our breath away would be best categorized as Mr. Big's death paraphernalia. So much Mr. Big's death paraphernalia. The most shocking item being the knobs from the shower where he died, which are in a lot that also includes his Peloton water bottle. Yes, Chelsea. That would be Lot 91. Mr. Big's Peloton water bottle with shower knobs, glasses, pill case, bottle opener, and a selection of Mr. Big's dry cleaning, which I was not aware was in that scene. Honestly, whoever buys that is a sick fuck and should just be automatically arrested if they win. What is not offered, which you might be asking, is the Peloton bike itself? Sadly, that was not available, but you can buy the seat cards from Mr. Big's funeral for all of the more high-profile guests like Carrie Bradshaw. Well, there's two. There is Mr. Big's funeral place cards A and B, so they had backup cards as well. Again, I'm not sure who would buy these items. However, my favorite lot in this is Lot 90, which is Mr. Big's funeral memento, which includes a card from Bergdorf Goodman that says, the office is with you in your thoughts during this time of healing. Wow. We also have Mr. Big's Last Will Intestament, which is a manila folder that includes a polaroid of Mr. Big's dog, which Carrie had no idea about. I love the description for this product, if you'll indulge me, Chelsea. A production-made prop of the Last Will Intestament of John James Press and better known to fans as Mr. Big. Carrie's husband who passed away due to a sudden heart attack at the end of the first episode. Two copies of the Will were seen in the third episode of the first season when Carrie and Miranda attend Big's Will reading. Carrie had been looking forward to getting past the final logistical hurdle on her path to mourning her husband, only to be blindsided upon learning that her husband left a million dollars to his ex-wife Natasha Najinsky. The Will comes in a document folder along with a prop pen featuring the logo of a fictional law firm, Peterson Pfeiffer and Marx LLP, also included as a photograph of Big's childhood dog, Goji, who Carrie only learned about after his death, along with the revelation to the bequest to Natasha. This left her wondering how well she truly knew her husband. Who wrote this? Also, where's the Pinkberry punch card? Oh, yeah. That should have been included in this particular lot. I also love that they are selling the letter that Stanford sends Carrie, basically saying that he's never coming back and he's become a Shinto monk. Does it include the Photoshopped image? No. Of Stani as a Shinto monk? That is not included, and I do not know why. I mean, perhaps the family wanted it? I like to think that Daddy MPK has that on his desk. Yeah. I mean, I've come to learn, I find very funny about these celebrity auctions are the things that these celebrities and these productions don't want to keep. 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Well, yes, because I was going to say the other cursed item for sale is a lot of Che Diaz season one ensembles. But it's like there's no graphic tease that say trans rights. Although there is a lot that is just various pride flags. Whose pride flags are those? I don't remember where those were from. I think it's from the episode where Miranda shows up to some gay rights event where Che Diaz is speaking at. Right. And she's wearing wedges, of course. Do you have any other favorite items? Well, speaking of Che, I'm obsessed with the Che Pasa lot. Oh, yes. And it is already up to $500. And this lot is all memorabilia from Che's pilot Che Pasa. It is the scripts. It is the chair backs from the director's chair that say Che Pasa. Is this also the lot that has the personalized New York license plates that say Italian? Yes. Then I guess was Tony Danza's car. It also has like a notebook with the non-binary flag on it. There's so much good shit in this lot. Well, that's why it's up to $500. I think there's also a laptop with a pride flag in there, which maybe is why it's $500, but I'm not exactly sure. Someone's like, this is actually even cheaper than the new Mac. There's also the maroon jumpsuit that Miranda is wearing when she meets Che Diaz at the comedy concert at Webster Hall. That's an iconic look that made it into this auction. Well, look, we have dipped our toes into Sex and the City memorabilia. We have discussed our Smith Jared Absolute Hunk poster that we have. We have now acquired a Sarah Jessica Parker mannequin. It does seem like we should be acquiring some items from this auction. And is it more Che Diaz stuff? Well, we can't tell people what we're bidding on. They'll just have to wait and find out? Also, I think that we should mention that this entire auction, all of the money goes to charity. It goes to an organization called You Gotta Believe that finds permanent homes for tweens and teenagers in the foster care system. So guys, bid on this stuff. It's all for good cause. The money is not going to the HBO Max overlords. So we should get something and feel really good about it. Also, we should note that you could buy an entire Hotfella store in this auction. I mean, how illegal is it for us to start our own Hotfella's pop-up? We could. See, the lot that has some Hotfella stuff, but it also includes the Tom of Fidlin Salt and Pepper shaker. I saw that. Yeah. That's a good one. I think the bread lamps are probably the best thing. Oh my God, where were those? I don't even remember seeing them, but they were so cool. It must be in the physical location. Again, we are so sorry to the art and prop department. We were unaware of how much thought you put into this show. Yeah. Not to reveal our cards pun intended, but I do think we need to bid on. There are two options, but the Love Samantha card. Right. The card that accompanies the flowers that Samantha sends to Mr. Big's funeral. I feel like this is one of the more major items that in the Loved and Lost book. Yes. And then for me personally, look, you want to bid against me, I look forward to it. But I think that I need for our future office an X, Y, and Me mug. I know. I'm genuinely curious to see how much that sells for. Let's see what the bid is up to now. I think it was up to like 200 last I checked. Well, there's several mugs. So the lot that I'm looking at, which I'm not going to tell you which lot number it is, is only up to 50 bucks and only two people have bid so far. But I'm not bidding until this auction is live. It doesn't feel like there's a point. Also, Julian's auctions graciously invited us to a preview of this auction, which we will be attending on Lauren's birthday. There is no way I'd rather spend my birthday than at a beautiful hotel looking at this stuff in person. You know what I hope they have is a Aiden's vintage Art Deco foosball table, something that was evidently in his house down in Virginia that I never noticed. Well, that's an example of something that like you should just buy because it's cool and valuable and not necessarily because it belonged to Aiden Shaw. Yeah. On that note, there is a lot of clothing, a lot of miscellaneous interior design from Big and Carrie's apartments that stand on their own. I'm really sad that the Aiden Bell Staff jacket was not included. This is what I'm saying. One that was either John Corbett's or he took it from Wardrobe. He definitely took it. I do think something worth bidding on just for our bookcases is there are several lots of fashion books, movie books that are supposedly from Carrie's bookcase. Right. It's a little complicated though because I feel like with the better lots of books, like I already have some of them, there's one that includes a really excellent interview magazine book that's quite expensive to begin with. So someone should buy that just for the book again, regardless of whether or not if it was in Carrie's apartment. Wait, I'm sorry. Before we move on, I'm just scrubbing through the lots and I thought I had seen everything, but that's not true. There is Carrie Bradshaw's parlor library items, which include what? A collection of items that decorated the set of Carrie Bradshaw's Gramercy Townhouse in the third season. First is a set of vintage books for small paperback volumes, part of the 1907 nutshell library by Sherwin Cody, How to Read and What to Read, An Evening with Shakespeare, An Evening with Tennyson, and An Evening with Thackery. A 1924 modern library edition of the selected poems of Emily Dickinson. Okay, so this is all like the woman related. Yeah, for sure. Ooh, but it does also come with a custom book plate stamp reading from the library of Carrie Bradshaw. I also like that they have all of Carrie Bradshaw's like Zizmoor Core, like New York Public Library shit. Right, of course. There's also a lot of SEMA stuff. And the SEMA clothes are some of the better clothes, I would say. I'm sorry, Aiden's contemporary floral ceramic dish set? They're kind of cute, not my style, but they're quite cute. Okay, I mean, we could truly talk about this all day. Oh, we do need to mention, okay, before moving on, Carrie Bradshaw's cat tree is available for purchase. And it's already what, like $300? Yeah, $350, 10 bids already. Well, I'm glad that people are bidding on this stuff. It goes without saying if any of our listeners win anything, please tell us about it. We also will accept donated items from the end, just like that auction for our archive. We won't be able to get everything tragically. Oh, Chelsea, I think our audience is looking at us of like, no, you guys need to buy. We will buy, but who's to say what we'll actually get? Even I have my limits for buying dumb sex in the city stuff. Wait, Carrie Bradshaw garment bag and hangers? Okay, I gotta stop. I gotta stop. I think Carrie Bradshaw shoeboxes are one of the better things that you can buy. It's not that expensive. Yeah, you can get the chalkboard and bulletin board for hot fellas, which I didn't even know the names of some of these spreads at hot fellas. Disco Romano, Community Loaf, French Baguette, Hollo, those we know. Okay, we gotta move on. Especially because we will definitely be talking about this auction even more in the coming weeks and because we have to get into the devil where is proud of vote cover. Yes. If you've been stuck on a six month waitlist for a psychiatrist or a bouncing between online mental health sites trying to find medication support, Takaiatry was built for you. 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Get matched with clinicians who fit your needs and schedule your first visit in days, not months. More than 300,000 patients have already found high quality psychiatry care through Takaiatry. So for the first time in history and a winter is on the cover of Vogue magazine, this is also the first time in the last three years that the May issue hasn't been dedicated to the upcoming Meccalla theme. I love that you noticed that. I went back because I was like, what is usually on the May cover? Because I feel conflicted about this cover. I don't know how you feel. Conflicted as well. Of course. I think it's cool that they did it. The first thing I thought when I saw it was, I'm surprised Anna agreed to this and I appreciate the fact that she did. But the second thing I thought is that like, wow, there is a lot of lesbian subtext in this image. I was going to say. I mean, this really feels like welcome to our commitment ceremony. Because Meryl Streep is wearing a suit and her body language, like her stance, like it's not even giving like boss bitch vibes. She looks like a 1950s butch in like a Ouija photo. Ouija photo. And Anna is like her fem girlfriend who's like gazing at her adorably, like wearing a girly dress. Well, have you seen the theory because there are two versions of the cover where Anna Wintour's head looks oddly similar and someone was making the point of like she only improved that one look and they just photoshopped it onto a different pose. Right. There's also a very similar photo where they're gazing into each other's eyes. There's also that photo in the editorial where they are both in the back of a limo just having a drunk gay old time. I thought that was fun, although Anna's face is so retouched that she literally looks like 35. Oh, she looks like me. I was looking at the photo and I was like, yeah, if I had a blunt bob with bangs, this kind of looks like me. I can see that. I feel like what's getting under reported about this cover is the fact that Greta Gerwig conducts the interview between Anna and Meryl Streep. And was that necessarily a good idea? Not really. It doesn't really ask any of the hard questions. Not that Vogue is known for that necessarily, but I especially am interested in hearing from Anna about how she feels about having this very evil fictionalized version of herself running wild in the world. She says that she is appreciative of the fact that a version of her is being played by Meryl Streep. I mean, who would it be? Yeah. I was just saying, I think this cover really gives credence to your theory that it was supposed to be Anna Wintour and Meryl Streep presenting at the Oscars. See, you know what? I kind of thought the opposite. I thought now it makes sense that she presented with Anne Hathaway at the Oscars because they didn't want to blow their load ahead of this cover. Interesting. But what I find so bizarre is what is seemingly Anna Wintour's newfound affinity to the Devil Wors Prada franchise. I mean, I joked about this previously, but like, does she have a financial interest in this film? Like, why is she? Vogue does. I suppose so, but they didn't capitalize on it before. Anna Wintour diffused the tension by attending the premiere or attending a screening of the Devil Wors Prada wearing Prada. So she kind of got out ahead of it in that way, but it's not like she put them on the cover. No, I think people forget because the film is so beloved and now Anna Wintour is like happily, as we can see, posing with her a fictional version of herself. Even though I feel like it's never been more clear, like Miranda Priestly stands on her own as an individual character. Sure, it may have been inspired by Anna Wintour, but I feel like as a culture, we've accepted Miranda Priestly as her own thing. So for Anna Wintour to now be like, and it was based on me and look how cool I am about it. Well, it's funny because having Anna Wintour on the cover of Vogue, it tells us that it's still Anna's magazine, but it's not Anna's magazine because it's never a decision that I imagine that she would have come to on her own if she hadn't been pressured into it. Right, because Chloe Mahle initially suggested this. Anna said no, and then Meryl Shriep convinced her. Well, Mark Jacobs originally suggested this. If you'll remember, remember when he guest edited that issue of Vogue and he wanted Anna for the cover and she said no. Right. So it became Kaya Gerber. Right, right, right, right. But in one sense, having Anna on the cover, it distinguishes it from previous iterations of Vogue because there's a sense of humor behind it. But on the other hand, visually, the choice of photographer and the choice of stylist, Annie Leibovitz and Grace Coddington, this is Anna's A-team. This is Anna's people. This is the third time Meryl Shriep has been on the cover of Vogue. Annie Leibovitz has shot her every single time. I'm sorry, it's a boring choice. Can you imagine if Tim Walker had shot this? Well, this is what I was going to say. I think a lot of people have forgotten that 20 years ago when the Devil Wars product came out, it was almost transgressive. I mean, the fashion community was genuinely concerned about the release of the film. Meryl Shriep discusses this in the article and it's something that we talked about when we did our VIP episode, even though the costume designer is Patricia Field coming off of Sex and the City because I think a lot of people forget this movie was greenlit before the book even came out. So people just heard about it by rumor that this is this salacious book about working for Anna Wintour and what a terrible boss she was. So designers would not lend to the original Devil Wars product. To your point, the actresses were not put on the cover in the run up to the film. So I don't know. I get why the cover is the cover, but I agree with you that I think it would have been way more fun if it was Emily Blunt and Hathaway, Stanley Tucci, Meryl Shriep shot by someone like Tim Walker. Well, maybe they could be in an interior portfolio or something. I think that the combination of Anna and Meryl is really powerful and really cool. I just in my head can imagine a more fun version of this that looks visually different. We are technically in a new era of Vogue, but you wouldn't know because visually nothing has changed at all. No. And I think you see the different Vogue when it comes to Vogue.com and the podcast and the video elements. There was, of course, a little fashiony comedy sketch that accompanied this, which is Meryl Shriep as Miranda Priestly getting into an elevator with Anna Wintour and they're like, don't I know you? That was very cute. I don't know. I think with Annie Leibovitz, I do want to acknowledge that she did take the definitive portrait of Meryl Shriep in the 80s, which was for Rolling Stone. And it's that photo of Meryl where she almost has white kabuki makeup on her face and she's kind of pulling her skin with her fingertips and it's like this incredible arresting image. So I get that they have a lot of history together and they're all 76, which was a fun thing to learn in the profile. Annie Leibovitz is 76, Meryl Shriep is 76 and Anna Wintour is 76. So in that sense, it's quite cute that they did this. And Grace Coddington, even older, she's in her 80s. She came out of retirement to do this editorial. Look, we didn't want to talk about the third and final trailer for Devil Wars Prada, but I feel like we would be remiss if we did not acknowledge that yet another trailer for this film came out. We have learned a little bit about the plot, but I do find it concerning that we still are not sure what this movie is about. You get the sense from this last trailer that some scandalous happened and Anne Hathaway who's become a journalist has been brought in to mitigate this scandal having to do with Miranda Priestly. Right, because Miranda's been canceled or something. Which upon reflection is like, yeah, I guess that would be the instinct of like where to begin this film. But it makes sense. Beyond that, which seems to be the inciting incident of the movie, no clue what the plot is, which could be good or bad. Well, what was the Devil Wars Prada about? It was 20 montages. I don't know about you, Tell, but I genuinely am. I have no feelings going into this movie. Negative positive. Like I am going in as a blank slate. I'm excited. I think we'll have a really fun time watching it. But I feel like it could be really, really bad. We're also good. We don't know. Well, it was announced that the press embargo won't be lifted until a day before the film comes out, which is not typically a good sign. Although who knows? Maybe they don't want audiences to be spoiled. Yeah. I think what is more distressing is the rollout of all of these brand collaborations with the Devil Wars Prada. Oh my God. I've been avoiding it, but you sent me some links, some very disturbing links, the most disturbing being the Target one. So Target has done a collaboration with Devil Wars Prada as has Old Navy. And if you asked me sight unseen who I would have thought did the better collaboration, I would have said Target. I would have never believed Old Navy actually has better designs. Yeah. Old Navy actually turned it out by comparison because the Target collection is nearly 200 pieces. It has a strong zazzle red bubble kind of vibe about it. Visually, it's very upsetting. And it's also a situation where it's like the blanks even look cheap in the Ecom images. Well, the other thing that Old Navy does that the Target one doesn't is, and we have done this ourselves, that's a 2D image on a blank of the graphic that is going to go into production. Like it's not even on models. No. And the craziest thing just in comparison, the Old Navy collaboration actually makes a cerulean blue sweater. Would I wear that cerulean blue sweater? No. It's an ugly cable knit sweater like the one that Anne Hathaway wore. However, Target has several versions on tanks, long sleeves and short sleeves where it's just the words, it's not just blue. It's not turquoise. It's not lapis. It's actually cerulean, but it is not on a cerulean blue shirt. No it is not. That's crazy. That's absolutely insane. Also, we did a VIP episode about the Devil Wears product a couple of years ago. And in that episode, I did debunk the cerulean monologue. It is not historically accurate. The collections that she is referencing do not feature cerulean clothing. That was an invention of the screenwriter, just FYI. I mean, I'll let her have that. But there are so many things about these various brand collaborations and we'll get into all of them. I did, I searched the internet high and low to find every single one, but of course florals for spring groundbreaking, of course that was going to be on various t-shirts. Again, the old Navy one, more successful because they have at least an attempt of like cool watercolor florals and then it says florals on the front. Just because it's better than Target, I don't know if it's succeeding necessarily, but I was really astounded that both Target and Old Navy are selling t-shirts that say, did someone eat an onion bagel? Who said that line? Was it Emily Blunt or was it Miranda Priestly? No, I think it's Stanley Tucci. Stanley Tucci, okay. I think he walks into the room and has like an insult about Anne Hathaway actually eating food. I'm just like shook because like, was this an iconic line? Am I crazy? Well, what is clearly an iconic line at least to the brands that are doing these collaborations in the studio is the phrase, that's all. The that's all hat that Old Navy did, I think is the most respectable piece in all of these collections. Well, they're also using that language for the Diet Coke, Devil Wears Prada Promo, which that makes sense. I mean, everyone in the fashion industry drinks Diet Coke. If not Diet Coke, then maybe a Coke Zero at this point, but those Coke Zero freaks. I know you're listening, but they are debuting along with Smartwater Limited Edition cans and bottles. But the Diet Coke campaign specifically centers around the slogan, a Diet Coke please, that's all, but that's not a line in the movie. Who cares? Clearly the studio gave these brands certain like emoji graphics because I've seen it across the target collaboration like a cell phone, a handbag, a shoe. And those are the same graphics that you'll find on the Tweezerman collab. So you can get Devil Wears Prada to branded tweezers and nail files. We also have a brand collaboration with Grey Goose, where they have created five branded cocktails inspired by the original film. Would you like to hear the different drinks, Chelsea? Not really, but I don't think I have a choice. You have the Devil's Roost, which is an espresso martini, the Scarlet Step, which is an aperitif, the Cerulean Goose, which is a citrus cocktail, so not blue. The That's All Martini, which would be a dry martini, and the groundbreaking spring spritz. Okay, but they didn't make a special bottle? Seemingly not, no. Like why not? I would have actually bought that. Also, the Tweezerman collab, not too bad. Well, my favorite ad that I saw recently was Adrian Grenier, who played Nate and Hathaway's boyfriend did a Starbucks ad, because everyone has noted that essentially every cast member has come back for the sequel except Nate. And so Starbucks did an ad with him, and I was like, oh my god, this is so funny to do this parallel ad. I need to learn, no, this is an official brand collaboration with the Devil Wars Prada. You know what that reminds me of? A friend of mine was a Vogue intern when I was in college, and she had to get the Starbucks for Anna Wintour, and she ordered the order. What did she give Anna Wintour? A hot chocolate. No. Can you imagine handing Anna Wintour a hot chocolate? Sorry, my mind just went to that moment in Zoolander when Will Ferrell throws the latte onto his assistants. I don't remember how she reacted, but I always thought that was so funny. So this ad is to promote their refresher line. You might have seen the headlines. I wasn't asked to be part of a certain sequel, but I'm good, really. It's all good energy. Okay. So, it's to Nate. He made a mean sandwich. He loved his girlfriend to a point. Okay, so he wasn't perfect. So let's leave Nate in 2006 and keep this good energy going. Okay, you showed me this, and I was like, who is this? That was my favorite thing. I was about to bring this up. Has he done anything since the Devil Wears Prada that I would know about? Well, he was on the show Entourage. Okay, but that was before. That was before and after. Entourage went on for a disturbingly long time, and there was also a film quite like Sex and the City. See, I only watched the first couple seasons, which I really liked, but I need to continue. Do you, as someone who's seen all of Entourage, I'll take your word for it. Anyway, I thought that that was sort of a fun tongue-in-cheek ad until I learned that this too was an official brand collaboration with the Devil Wears Prada too. I don't know what refreshers have to do with the Devil Wears Prada, but fine. See, if we're going to do these collabs, can't we just do something fun? Like what's the little plastic thing that you stick into the hole that's green when you get a hot coffee? Can we get one of those, but it's a little Devil Wears Prada red high heel? I'm down for cute shit like that. Oh, the coffee stoppers. Yeah, but I feel like no one wants to do anything that's actually fun. I mean, I'm sure that that's where the creative brief started with Starbucks, and then it ended with getting Nate back for a refreshers ad. That's all about good energy. Is he admitting that Nate didn't have good energy and was actually the villain of the Devil Wears Prada one? I don't know. I didn't really get a read on what that ad was trying to accomplish personally. To buy Starbucks. I think we figured out by the end of our VIP episode about the Devil Wears Prada that the actual villain is Anne Hathaway herself. But Chelsea, we have quite the conundrum coming up because the Devil Wears Prada two is in theaters May 1st. They have strategically placed its release to be the Friday before the Met Gala, which is very smart, you know, the synergy of the fashion's biggest night. But for us, how exactly are we going to cover both of these things? You raise a good point. We'll figure it out. All right, we have some drama to talk about. Yeah, we did see the drama, and we will talk about the drama, but we are saving it for the end of this episode because there's no way to talk about that film without spoiling the twist. So although for those concerned about spoilers, we will do a non spoiler review first and then warn you that we're going to get into spoilers. Oh, what could you even say without spoiling? I don't even know how if I can get that far. I mean, we could say how we felt about the film. Sure. Once again, I'm so excited to share that this episode is sponsored by the Real Real, the world's largest and most trusted source for authenticated luxury resale. 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Which this is beside the point, but the graphics for Billy Corgan's podcast. I know. It leaves something to be desired. It's very like great Gatsby Baz Lerman version, Jason. Yeah. I don't know if you know this about Family Guy creator Seth MacFarlane, but he often goes to jazz clubs like Vibrato in Los Angeles and sings Frank Sinatra covers. That's what Billy Corgan's podcast graphics are giving. You think that he's going to be talking about jazz standards or something instead of rehashing old grungera beef. This is only the second podcast that Courtney has ever been on. She was on Mark Marin a couple of years ago, which I listened to and I could not follow a word that she was saying then. That was completely incoherent. This is more coherent. I think I understand about 50% of what Courtney Love was saying, but it's a satisfying listen because Billy Corgan understands 75% of what she's saying. Yes, because they've known each other and have been everything to each other. Lovers, friends, musical collaborators, enemies. Yeah. And so you specifically want to talk about the portion of the podcast where they talk shit about Kim Gordon. Yes. Kim wrote about Lana Del Rey. Oh, geez. She's no in her book. She says horrible things about me being a tarantula and stuff, but narcissistic Hollywood obsessed tarantula. Oh, Kim, I'm so scared of spiders. I wish she'd done something else, like a bear maybe. I'll take a bear eagle. I'll take an eagle in any event. She puts down Lana. She calls her all these names because Lana, in one of her very few early interviews, she still doesn't do many now, said, I wish I was dead. She was 27. She said, I wish I was dead. She named 27-year-olds. And my daughter, Francis, raised her on Twitter and then Lana was like, I'm so sorry. And now they're friends. They were friends when Kim wrote this. And then her defense of it. She didn't know Lana Del Rey. And Lana was like, who is Kim Gordon? Told me of the other generation. Did not grow up. A question, by the way, billions are still asking. But I read Kim Gordon's memoir, Girl in a Band. And what she wrote about both of them and about Lana Del Rey was quite mean. So I have not read Girl in the Band, but I went back to find these quotes because I'm like, tarantula is so specific only to learn. Kim Gordon did refer to her as a tarantula. She writes of meeting Courtney Love in 1990. No one ever questions the disorder behind her tarantula LA glamour because it's good rock and roll, good entertainment. I have a low tolerance for manipulative egomaniacal behavior and usually have to remind myself that the person might be mentally ill. I had no idea that Kim Gordon was one of the producers of Hole's first album. I knew that there was beef between all of them, but I had no idea that Kim Gordon was involved in the first Pretty On The Inside record. Yeah. And that record was a bit more experimental and abrasive than Live Through This was, certainly. But I discovered, and Billy Corgan doesn't reference this in the podcast, she had way meaner stuff to say about Billy Corgan. Kim Gordon describes an incident, I guess, while they're recording this album where she goes, Courtney asked us for advice about her secret affair with Billy Corgan. I thought, ew, and even the mention of Billy Corgan, whom nobody liked because he was such a crybaby and smashing pumpkins, took themselves way too seriously and were in no way punk rock. I mean, that is kind of funny. So I couldn't have imagined that Kim Gordon's book was this gossipy and dishy and that she talked this much shit, but she did. She talked a lot of shit and the really shocking thing about the book wasn't her grievances with other rock stars. It was more how much she revealed about her marriage and the affair that Thurston Moore had that led to the end of their marriage and the end of Sonic Youth. That was the really shocking thing about this book. And then in this podcast, Courtney reveals to Billy Corgan that she heard that to fund her daughter's college, Kim Gordon sold all of Thurston Moore's record collection. And surely Thurston Moore still has like a hundred thousand records somewhere in upstate New York. I don't know if you ever watched the Zoe Kravitz high fidelity series, but there was a whole episode about this, not the Kim Gordon, but of a woman selling her husband's excellent record collection out of spite and Zoe Kravitz can't go through with it. Yeah, I remember that. I did watch that show. But it's just so weird to me that Kim Gordon would feel the need to write about Lana Del Ray. So this comes from an interview that Lana Del Ray did in 2014, The Guardian, where she said, I wish I was dead already. I don't want to have to keep doing this. To which Gordon wrote, if she truly believes it's beautiful when young musicians die, go out on a hot flame of drugs and depression, why doesn't she just off herself? Like Jesus. She also wrote, today we have someone like Lana Del Ray who doesn't even know what feminism is who believes women can do whatever they want, which in her world tilts towards self-destruction, whether it's sleepy with gross old men or getting gang raped by bikers. Okay. So I guess there was a galley version of her book that went around that she curtailed, I think, after public outcry because in the official book, she changes it to tilts towards self-destruction, whether it's sleeping with gross old men or being a transient biker queen is what she ended up changing it to. Okay. Okay. It was still really mean what was in that book. And I remember thinking like, why is she saying this? But that said, Kim Gordon is definitely much saner than Courtney Love. Real talk. Yes. And while this is not directly referenced, this part of the podcast conversation between Courtney Love and Billy Corgan is really about the overlapping world of the indie grunge and riot girl scene where all of these people were beefing with each other and just, I don't know about you, but there's just something so delicious about people now in their 60s still upset about shit that happened in their 20s. I know. And it's interesting because they're basically like Thurston never sucked. He wasn't a gatekeeper. It was all Kim, which I don't know. Well, they get into this bizarre conversation about authenticity and the banned pavement. The real sell out is those of us that bent, bent to the market, the market of Kim Gordon, whatever you want to call it, the market of the indie podcast. Yeah. I mean, I think that's what irritated. Pavements entire career is spending to that will. Well, that's what continues. It was so funny because they're still irritated, which is amazing. I mean, we're talking about 35 years of irritation. Get over it. Well, yeah. I mean, like I own a tea house and I got little kids. You know, like get over it. Yeah. Wait, he owns a tea house? Who is he? Moby? Following in another bald, anemic man's footsteps. I was going to say that's my new rebuttal to anyone that talks shit about me. I'm like, look, man, I got a tea house and little kids. It's weird. Like I could see how Kim and Thurston could have been perceived as gatekeepers because they were just so cool. They were also like older than Billy and Courtney. They were really like the parents of the scene in a lot of ways. Sonic Youth obviously wasn't a hugely popular band, but kind of like that Brian Eno quote about the Velvet Underground. Everyone that bought that Sonic Youth album started a band and that's how we get the pavements, the holes, the nirvanas of the world. Yeah. I just found this whole conversation perplexing because in my mind, whole, Courtney Love specifically and Billy Corgan with the Smashing Pumpkins wanted to be popular in a way that Sonic Youth never chased. Like yes, maybe a few Sonic Youth music videos ended up on MTV, but like. Well, and they signed to a major label at some point, I think with the goo album. I think that was when their selling out period started was like goo into dirty, although both of those albums still much more experimental than most sort of mainstream alternative music at the time. I just am obsessed with Gen X's continued obsession with authenticity as if all of them didn't sell out. I know we need to stop pretending like Kim never sold out because that is definitely not true. More so in the realm of modeling, right? In recent years, we've seen her do UGG ads, do H&M ads, Uniqlo ads. Obviously she did all those Mark Jacobs ads back in the day. I think she did a Calvin Klein ad. She did and other stories capsule collection. It's not as if she didn't sell out in the same way that Courtney did with her nasty gal collab and her Versace ads and stuff. I love how you started that with the nasty gal collaboration. Wow, I really blocked that out of my memory. But Courtney is someone who's always unapologetically wanted to be famous. She first pursued acting then went to music that went back to acting. To be fair, Kim did act in that one episode of Girls when Jessi was in rehab, remember? Oh yeah. Why is pavement catching strays? Because now re-listening to that clip, I thought it was that they were talking about authenticity and the gatekeepers, but Courtney is talking about pavement in relation to those that, as she put it, cleave to the market. Wait, she thought pavement cleave to the market? That's what I think she's saying. See, I thought they were saying that pavement was in that sonic youth lane where they refused to cleave to the market. That's what I initially heard. Honestly, I think this gets into. I think Billy and Courtney are making separate points at each other during this conversation. Pavement had some songs that were more akin to sonic youth that had the dissonant guitars and stuff like that. But to me, a lot of pavement songs are incredibly melodic and very pop in the same way that Weezer's music is very pop. And I kind of never understood how Weezer got so popular, but pavement never got that popular. That's Spike Jon's music video, baby, for Buddy Holly. But also, I feel like Billy Corgan just doesn't fuck with pavement because he's still salty about the fact that pavement dragged the smashing pumpkins and the Stone Temple Pilots in the lyrics to their song, Range Life. But that was decades ago again. I think Billy Corgan needs to have pavement on the podcast. Do you also know about this very bizarre moment where Billy Corgan and Bill Burr were brought on Howie Mandel's podcast of all things because on separate podcasts, they were talking about the thought that they might have the same father because they look very similar. And Billy Corgan had never seen Bill Burr before and he was like, he looks like my dad and my dad traveled a lot. And so Howie Mandel, without telling them, I guess, brought them on the same podcast to try to do a Mori Povic thing. And it's just like horrifically awkward and bizarre. I must have missed that. On this tip of Gen X authenticity, after I listened to this podcast, TikTok fed me a clip of Ben Lee, the Australian musician, talking about the moment that a cool died. And you'll never believe the moment that caused it, Chelle. That the death of cool occurred in 1999 when Moby licensed all of his music to commercials. And he was the first cool artist to totally embrace getting that bag and getting his songs into commercials. And it kind of broke all of our brains because for the first time, we'd all been laboring under these really strict rules of not selling out and what was OK to do and what wasn't OK to do. And he was this guy who'd made a record he loved and he was like, I can get the music out there and make a lot of money by licensing all the songs to commercials. And suddenly it just like was the most glaring example that we were all completely wrong in the way we were thinking about our careers. What? Well, I do remember that being a big deal at the time. Also because I believe that Moby licensed every single song on was called Play or Porcelain. Play. Play and Porcelain was the track off of it. I mean, that album had many huge singles. Yes, but he can't possibly have been the first cool artist that licensed his music and commercials. Oh, I'm sure he wasn't. But like those songs were in so many commercials that like that's how we learned about them. Like it actually was successful from a marketing standpoint. He had an album before that. Do we know what that was called? Do we know those songs? No, we just know the one song from the Scream soundtrack. I just like the idea of Ben Lee, who by the way was dating Claire Danes at the time and going to her movie premier. So that wasn't selling out, dating a big Hollywood actress. But OK, I love the idea that Ben Lee, like in 1998 is watching the Jaguar commercial with Sting and Desert Rose is playing and he's like, that's not cool. And then the next year he's watching a Lexus ad with a Moby song and he's like, that is cool. Well, also Moby is an electronic musician. Like that kind of music is just more conducive to car commercials and computer commercials, stuff like that. This clip about Moby actually reminded me of something that I had forgotten about for years, which was that David La Chappelle video where he was an old man makeup and Farooza Bulk was in it playing his girlfriend. And then Christina Ricci was like the angel of death, basically. Yeah, that was for porcelain, I believe. I wasn't porcelain. It was something else, but it was good. It was natural blues. Right. This breaks my brain a little bit for Ben Lee to categorize Moby as a cool person just because while I like Moby's music, I've never particularly thought of him as a cool person just because I feel like I came of age when he was beefing with Eminem. Right. I mean, criticizing Eminem in that era is a fair pursuit, I think. Not that I'm not an Eminem fan. No, an Eminem. He was just literally writing songs about murdering his wife. Yeah, but Eminem did get the upper hand with his lyrics about Moby in Without Me. Nobody listens to Techno. You're too old, which really proved to be true. 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That's outfit to 64,000 message and data rates may apply. See terms for details. I mean, I just thought that we could give a non spoiler review of the film, which is just I loved it. Yeah, I felt the exact same way. I think that Christopher Borgley is a great writer director. Yay for Norway. We are huge fans of his film, Sick of Myself, which is the first movie we saw of his, which you can actually watch a movie now. His first, I think English language film was dream scenario, which came out a few years ago. And now he has the drama. I'm a big fan of a from hell film like single white female is a roommate from hell movie. This is a wedding from hell movie. And I think it's a fun date film because it will spark a debate. Like Adrian Lyne said that he wanted to make a decent proposal because he knew that couples would leave the theater debating, if not outright arguing about what happens in in decent proposal, which is would you sleep with Robert Redford for a million dollars? If the answer is no, there's something deeply wrong with you. And I feel like similarly, you will learn a lot about a date when you leave this film. And yeah, I think that's about all I can say without spoiling the movie. Well, I think the choice to not reveal the premise of the film in the trailer was really smart. And it seems like that would be obvious, but I feel like we never get trailers like this anymore. I feel like I'm constantly watching trailers that are just the entire movie. And this choice was really effective in getting people to actually go and see this movie. Yes. However, unfortunately, TMZ and several sources spoiled the twist of the film. If you looked at those headlines, I saw them, but you still don't know exactly what went down. Should we say a special goodbye to the fuckets who don't want to be spoiled? Haven't seen the drama. If you guys haven't seen the drama and you are a fan of the Every Outfit podcast, I think this is Every Outfit approved. Go out, see it, come back and listen to the end of this podcast. Or if you just don't care about spoilers and want to hear our thoughts about the drama, stay with us. So basically, if you've seen the trailer, you know that there is this scene where Robert Pattinson and Zendaya are sitting with their friends and a conversation topic comes up, which is what's the worst thing you've ever done? And what Zendaya says is so shocking that it scandalizes everyone at the table. This is the big cliffhanger of the trailer. And what she says is that she planned a school shooting that she did not follow through with when she was a teenager. So technically, it isn't the worst thing she did. It's a thought crime at its worst. Well, it's pretty bad, but I will make the argument that it's not as bad as what Alana Heim's character admitted to doing. Oh, yeah. Zendaya did nothing wrong. Alana Heim is the true villain of this movie. Yeah, I saw a letter box review that was like, I guess I'm a freak because I wouldn't have cared. Yeah. So whereas Tat was horrified, she was like, I could never go through with it. I would completely spiral out. What she did was way worse than what Alana Heim did. So Alana Heim confesses that she locked an annoying quote, slow boy in her neighborhood in an abandoned trailer. And then that kid began to freak out and she ran away and that boy's father that night was like, hey, have you seen my son? She was like, no. And then she quickly is like, but they found him the next day, which leaves you wondering if that is actually true or not. So she said there was a search party and everything. I think this is worse because there is a victim. Yes. And what I found interesting about how this film transpires is, and maybe this speaks to my vindictiveness, but I thought that the stakes were going to escalate where Robert Panson or Zendaya finds out that that kid that Alana Heim locked in a trailer killed himself or something recently. No, it's very singular in following the fallout after this confession that Zendaya makes. And look, to be fair, this would be a fucked up way to find out about this. Also, did he never ask her like, how did you lose your hearing? Oh, no, he says that he goes, you told me you lost it when you were a child. And she was like, well, yeah, how was I supposed to bring this up? So there's that. You wouldn't have the back half of this film, which honestly is just like so nerve wracking because you're like, where is this going to go? But Zendaya, for those who haven't seen the film, like does, I think, do a good job in explaining how she got to this point. But beyond that, why she repented and never went through it. That's the part that I find unbelievable is if I'm Alana Heim, like I would push why she didn't go through with it. Like that would be more interesting to me. Why you didn't do it than why you wanted to do it. Well, we needed something to be revealed later in the film. For sure. And the twist was spoiled for me after the first trailer I saw the reveal on Twitter. But honestly, my mind, I thought it was going to be something way worse. Like she was planning a school shooting with someone else. She couldn't go through with it. But the other person did and she didn't stop them. Like that's unforgivable. I mean, planning a school shooting is really, really bad. Just want to put that out there and clarify. But she didn't go through with it. And I feel like it's a cliche that like depressed, mentally disturbed teenagers like fantasize about murdering their classmates, but they like don't go through with it. Yeah. Obviously, as I previously referenced, the film got spoiled through TMZ, through headlines like, you know, Columbine, parents, survivors, furious at the drama. But survivors of Parkland and parents of those who were killed in Columbine discussed how they felt that the film was glorifying violence. I don't know if they saw the movie or were just told what the twist is. But I feel like this movie really accurately dissects the last 15 to 20 years of people more enjoying the aesthetics of being a school shooter. Like that has become attractive to a certain disenfranchised, anti-social young person. Right. And if people think I'm being cavalier about this, CNN did just recently do a report about this young girl who was planning a school shooting, who became radicalized through the true crime community. Or as I learned, it's called the TCC community and was going to like Zendaya fully go through a school shooting and only didn't because someone else on that forum did and she was contacted by the FBI. Her family found out what she was doing online and she got help. Right. That's incredibly disturbing, of course. But also just because this movie is talking about school shootings, doesn't mean that it isn't also a film that is very much like condemning American culture in a lot of ways between the sort of school shooting aspect of it and the wedding industrial complex aspect of it, which to me are two very like distinctly American things. Right. And you wouldn't have the back half of this film, which is very engrossing. But I am surprised that at no point does Robert Pattinson or Zendaya explain to Alana Heim like, this is why I didn't do the shooting, which we learned that another shooting happens. And so she was upstaged. She was upstaged again. There is a lot of black comedy, black humor in this film. Like it cuts from Zendaya's reveal to the fact that they have to meet with the photographer and the photographer is going through the shot list. I'm going to shoot your grandmother, then we'll shoot your mom, then we'll shoot your dad. But because this horrific event happens before Zendaya can enact her plan and one of the students who has gone to the school was murdered, they do all of these exercises, the school with the students. And like you see Zendaya for the first time recognizes that these aren't NPCs. These are real human beings that she starts sobbing. Real human beings that she like shouldn't be murdering. Right. And so there's just no discussion about her repenting so much so that she becomes a gun rights activist, which is such an astute observation. Because sometimes the people that are the most vocal in cancelling someone else are really the people that we should be looking at. Yeah, I mean, I think that this film is an interesting commentary, not unlike Eddington and Ari Astor is a producer of this film about how online purity testing and cancel culture has filtered its way from reacting to strangers online to how we react to people that we actually know and have a context for in our real life. Totally. And I think that the Alana Heim character, quite like Mimi Rose in Girls, like that is a real person that I've never seen depicted in media before. Oh, yes, she was so great in that role. Really, really impressive. The only thing I've ever seen her in was licorice pizza. And then she was barely in one battle after another. So I don't think we really got a sense of what she can do there. But she was really the perfect villain in the drama. Yeah, I mean, someone who arguably has done something worse than Zendaya, who has this such an outsized reaction to Zendaya almost in a way so that no one can question her own behavior. That's why, as I previously said, I thought that that was going to come back. Right. Well, it's so smart and that more broadly speaking, I think he's making fun of this perceived moral superiority that we all feel, despite the fact that we are all flawed people ourselves. Yeah. And Alana Heim goes to this place where she's like, you know, my cousin was in a shooting, right? Which Paul and I were debating this. He's like, it's a school shooting. I go, she specifically never says a school shooting, though. I mean, it's still horrible. A mass murder of some kind. Also, that character played by Anna Brishnikov, who I loved seeing. I noticed that as well. But Alana Heim is like, I don't think I can even be your maid of honor. I have to ask my cousin and involve my cousin in this. One of the funniest scenes in the movie is that scene with Anna Brishnikov and Robert Pattinson. Robert Pattinson, who is so good in this, might I just say. Right. And I think that there's something so truthful about the human experience where Robert Pattinson is looking for a why. Some trauma that happened to Zendaya. Some repeated, horrific bullying, where really just Zendaya's character is just vaguely disenfranchised, which I think speaks to a truth. Well, I've seen a very pervasive argument online, which is that her character's motivation for planning this crime was underdeveloped, that her race wasn't addressed, that perhaps there could have been racial undertones to the bullying that she experienced. But I think the fact that they're not giving us a reason was very deliberate. And if they did provide us with that reason, like if we actually saw racist white teens tormenting her like Carrie style, then we would have just been on her side. Well, also, I'm not trying to be blasé about the fact that the Zendaya character plans a school shooting. It's just in the way that it is shown. Her planning is more about taking photos with the gun, you know, filming her. If you're seeing this, I'm no longer here video, which is a hilarious scene where her computer keeps wanting to update. We don't actually see, you know, her drawing out plans of the school. Like there kind of is no plan other than like, I'm going to bring a gun to school and shoot people. Well, it's also easy for us to believe that she wouldn't have gone through with it because she's a young black woman. And that's not typically who we expect to commit these sorts of crimes, which I guess as the viewer challenges our own assumptions about who we deem to be scary and who we deem to be not scary. Well, and also, I think an an oft motif, especially in films where people are about to get married, it's who is this person even? Do I really know this person? There is a little bit of a subtext, but it's kind of quickly dropped of Robert Pattinson being afraid that Zendaya is just going to murder him. Right. But, you know, should you be judged on the worst thing you did as basically a child? I mean, that's the other. The brilliance of the script is, I think it's Alana Heim's husband. It's someone where Alana Heim is like, well, I was, you know, 15, your brain's not developed. And then Zendaya says, I plan the school shooting. I was 15. And it's like, it's not being treated as the same thing of like, you were just a child, your mind had not fully developed. Right. It does pose a really interesting question, which is, should we be defined by the worst thing that we've ever done? Or do we actually believe in forgiveness, rehabilitation and growth? The worst thing you've ever thought about doing. I'm sorry. I have to put that asterisk. No, you're so right. You're completely correct. It is a thought crime. I also love how repeated characters in this film, whether it's Alana Heim or Robert Pattinson's female co-worker, they say that if they were in the situation, they would call the police. And it's like, report what? A thought crime? This isn't minority reports. But this is a wedding from hell film, as I was saying earlier. I just love the high, low stakes of this film. Like having just watched something like The Housemaid, where the stakes are so unbelievably high and coming off of watching, I feel like a few indie films where just nothing happens. Like this was the right amount of stakes. Yeah. And I love a film of like, if these two had just kept their fucking mouths shut, everything would have been fine, but they can't control themselves. Like Robert Pattinson's inability to just explain to Alana Heim, like she repented. She saw the air of her ways. Right. She was disenfranchised. She was lonely. The fact that he keeps wanting to find, as I said earlier, this central trauma, so much so that he tells Alana Heim a complete lie. That the reason that Zendaya is unhappy is because she witnessed her best friend die when she was 10 years old. Well, we crave reason so our mind can make sense of things. And he was grasping at straws, trying to find any justification for going through with this wedding, which makes sense. It's happening that week. They've invited everyone. It's funny when I left the theater, I was like, Alana Heim is the villain. And Paul was like, Paul was incensed by Robert Pattinson. He was like, he is a fucking piece of shit. He was like, he does not deserve Zendaya. Well, yeah, because he started making morally bankrupt choices once he started spiraling, which that's the brilliance of the film. Right. If it were not for the fact that they're getting married in a week, they could have processed this, right? They should have gone to couples therapy. They could have worked it out. But because they have to go through with this very expensive wedding, which is a feeling many people have dealt with, which has its own pressures. Crazy shit happens. I also loved the bit about the heroin addict DJ. OK, I was just going to bring this up again. Another brilliance of this script is they give you a litmus test before the confession scene where Robert Pattinson and Zendaya believe that they've seen their wedding DJ smoking heroin, which is such an upwardly mobile liberal thing because I would just assume that she's smoking crack or cocaine. Like why do you immediately go to heroin? I think it was the smell from across the street. But didn't he say something to that effect? I'm with you on that, but that is my memory of it. But this is the first sort of moral test that you as the audience are put through, which is the couple is wondering, do they say something? Do they fire this person? Did they really see her? Well, what would you do if you saw your wedding DJ smoking heroin? I'm going to be honest. How many times have they ever met this DJ? I would have been like, probably not her. Also, do we feel like that impairs her from being a DJ? I think not. I just assume that a lot of DJs are doing some form of drug. As long as they're not nodding off during my wedding, I'm good. All she needed was some different cables. I think that was Paul's other issue. Other than Robert Pattinson nearly cheating on Zendaya a few days before his wedding is that he doesn't back her up when she's starting beef with the DJ. Again, it's a real potentially team no one movie, which I also like movies like that. Everyone is bad, except for maybe Alana Heim's husband. Yeah, he's good. Who you think that his confession, the worst thing he's ever done is that he killed an animal, but really he just used his girlfriend as a human shield. And that was another great performance in this film. It really was the most wonderful ensemble. And I think they do a really good job at portraying Zendaya as a weird person. The fact that her maid of honor is her soon to be husband's best friend's wife, which is the point that Alana Heim makes during her wedding speech. Like where are your real friends? You know, it's we've talked about this in regards to our fave Angelina Jolie. It is a bit of a red flag when women don't have long term female friendships. Of course. What was the vibe like in the theater? I was just about to ask you the same thing. My theater was losing their minds in a good way. They were audibly gasp pain. Like they were shocked at certain parts, which was so cool. Well, I had to see it at 10 30 in the morning while I still had a babysitter, but there was one guy sitting towards the front that was like very much locked into the film and was laughing along with us. Like that montage where Robert Pattinson is imagining walking the streets of Boston with the young Zendaya. So good. I also think a lot of people were genuinely shocked because this film was marketed as a straight up rom-com, but I think that is the brilliance of this film is taking the structure of a romantic comedy or the type of movie that and Albert Brooks would have made in the 80s, like a modern romance, but like the most fucked up version of it. Yeah, it's so fun to see people actually be shocked by something. And it's shocking that this is such a mainstream movie with these huge movie stars like they obviously have good taste and liked the script, but it is not the sort of film that I would expect to have like packed audiences in the theater for. Well, I think a lot of people got tricked and then there's one of 824 strong suits is tricking people to see their films with marketing. I mean, that complimentary. But I mean, people like Robert Pattinson, people like Zendaya. This used to be a formula for A-list actors, right? You would do the mainstream film, then you would do the indie film. And that economy has sort of fallen apart in the entertainment industry. But it's amazing to see them put their names to a film like this. And I've seen Zendaya in a lot of movies. Chelsea, I have watched Malcolm and Marie, OK? And I have always been very neutral on her acting, especially in challengers. I did not enjoy her performance. I thought she was incredible in this film. This is the best to me she's ever been. OK, she was great in challengers and also come on, euphoria. Yes, but there is sort of a single note or several notes that she hits. And I feel like this was a different version of her that I've seen in other performances. I think she was great. I don't think there were any weak links in this movie at all. And I can't help but wonder what Christopher Borgerley is going to do next. Like, are they just going to let him make a straight up blockbuster now? Another blockbuster that's vaguely about like internet culture and cancel culture. I don't know. Yeah, I would love to see his take on a sci-fi film or maybe a horror film. Did you end up seeing Dream Scenario? I did. I watched it last night. What did you think? I enjoyed it tremendously. I don't know how I missed it when it came out. It definitely has a lot of parallel themes with the drama. It's a little more about like fame in the digital age, but a lot of thematic overlap for sure. Yeah, I think with the drama, I did enjoy the restraint and the singularity of the film. Right? Like, as I was saying before, if it were me, I would be using the internet to find the boy that Alana Haim locked in that closet. I do not believe that that person is fine now. And also, you know, unlike, say, a promising young woman, if you remember that towards the end of the film, Carrie Mulligan somehow finds the 2013 era phone of her friend who died. And it just happens to have her sexual assault being filmed. Like Robert Pattinson doesn't find an old hard drive with these videos and photos of Zendaya with the rifle. Right. Only we see that. So do you think Charlie and Emma stay married? I hope so. Have you ever been to a really bad wedding? Like, obviously, Charlie and Emma's wedding is one of the worst weddings ever depicted in film, just like if you were a guest of that wedding. Oh, it would be incredible to be a guest at that wedding. I longed to be a guest at a wedding where someone objects or there's some big drama like that or someone has a breakdown during their speech. What a dream. I know. See, that's the dinner theater experience I would want. All right, we've said it all, I think, about the drama. Next movie up is Mother Mary. I can't wait. And you know what? I thought about Vox Luxe when I was watching this movie because of the school shooting themes, obviously. Right. And every time I see that Mother Mary trailer, I'm like, I got to watch Vox Luxe again. Oh, in preparation. In preparation. Yeah, I can't wait for that. All right, guys, we'll be back next week. Bye. Bye.